EditorsAbout the SiteComes vs. MicrosoftUsing This Web SiteSite ArchivesCredibility IndexOOXMLOpenDocumentPatentsNovellNews DigestSite NewsRSS

03.20.08

Who Voted “Yes” for OOXML in India Anyway?

Posted in Asia, Microsoft, Open XML at 10:37 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

…Only Microsoft and Its Ilk?

“We’ve got to put a lot of money into changing behavior.”

Bill Gates

A short while ago an article appeared which stated that academic and non-private bodies in India had all voted “No” to OOXML. We covered the story yesterday.

A bit of digging in the news quickly discovered just what sort of companies actually voted “Yes” to Microsoft’s OOXML.

Take Infosys for example. Infosys voted “Yes” to OOXML. Let’s look at the news just two weeks ago, shall we?

Microsoft, Infosys ‘incubating talent’ to beat attrition blues

Faced with the challenge of finding workers with specialist skills and high levels of attrition, technology firms such as Microsoft Corp.’s India unit and local software company Infosys Technologies Ltd have started what they call efforts at “incubating talent” on an experimental basis.

Is Infosys an impartial voter then. Or one with vested interests?

Let’s move on to another “Yes” vote. Consider Wipro. Just 3 days ago, Wipro published the following press release:

Wipro’s study reveals how migration to Microsoft® SQL Server® Pays Big Dividends for SAP/ERP Customers

Wipro Technologies, the global IT services business of Wipro Limited (NYSE:WIT), today announced the results of their study, commissioned by Microsoft Corp., concluding that migrating an SAP ERP system to Microsoft® SQL Server can yield net benefits of $850K for a medium-size organization and $10 million for a large organization, all in a payback period of 9 to 15 months.

Once again, can a company which is paid by Microsoft to conduct ‘studies’ be trusted to objectively decide on international standards, especially where Microsoft’s own proprietary ‘standard’ is involved?

“To sum up, not a single “Yes” voter was not in Microsoft’s pocket.”It’s akin to CompTIA’s ‘studies’ and recent praises of Internet Explorer and Bill Gates. We last mentioned CompTIA just days ago, pointing out the ECMA-CompTIA-Microsoft relationship. They too are helping Microsoft with OOXML. Remember Frost and Sullivan? It all goes back to the issues around corrupted research.

In India, another “Yes” voter was NASSCOM, which we seem to have caught in the middle of a huge scandal (Microsoft ‘charity’). Be sure to read about it if you haven’t.

Another “Yes” vote came from TCS. Go ahead and find the many relationships. To sum up, not a single “Yes” voter was not in Microsoft’s pocket.

Is this voting? Microsoft virtually had 5 seats. It holds them by the money, the mutual favours, the incentives, the personal relationships. Shouldn’t an impartial panel be deciding on OOXML, based on the technical quality of the candidate alone? Remember that Microsoft essentially pays Novell to play nice with OOXML.

Novell gets 'bribed'

Share this post: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages.
  • Digg
  • del.icio.us
  • Reddit
  • co.mments
  • DZone
  • email
  • Google Bookmarks
  • LinkedIn
  • NewsVine
  • Print
  • Technorati
  • TwitThis
  • Facebook

If you liked this post, consider subscribing to the RSS feed or join us now at the IRC channels.

Pages that cross-reference this one

12 Comments

  1. CoolGuy said,

    March 20, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Gravatar

    I am from India. Let me tell you that Infosys a M$ outfit. They get huge bilion dollars worth of projects from M$ and most of their products run on m$ patforms. Same is with other companies who voted yes.

    They are going to tank with M$.

    They hire programmers at throw away price in local market, make them work overtime and night and save billions in outsourcing and earn in dollars. It has literally destroyed the IT of India – most of them are call center or support center jobs.

  2. James McDougal said,

    March 21, 2008 at 1:28 am

    Gravatar

    When it comes to OpenXML there is no such thing as an “impartial panel” which ever way you cut it.

    If you wanted a panel that was representative of the software industry in any given country, which is probably a far smarter way to judge the needs of that industry and the equitable benefits to a country, then you should probably look at market share and needs then divide your committee seats up that way.

    As far as I am aware this has not happened in any country, the commitees generally seem to be made up of those who shouted the loudest when the seats were being filled.

    When I look at the Indian vote specifically, even the “Open Source India” folks say that the only people voting for OpenXML were the exporters of software. [1] i.e. those companies looking for opportunities to generate revenue for the Indian software economy, rather than a bunch of ideologists who would be unlikely to use the specification regardless of it becomes a standard or not.

    1. http://osindia.blogspot.com/2008/03/india-votes-no-for-ooxml.html

  3. Roy Schestowitz said,

    March 21, 2008 at 1:34 am

    Gravatar

    If you wanted a panel that was representative of the software industry in any given country, which is probably a far smarter way to judge the needs of that industry and the equitable benefits to a country, then you should probably look at market share and needs then divide your committee seats up that way.

    A panel must judge a standard based on its quality, not based on economics, so I tend to disagree on this one.

  4. LinuxIfFun said,

    March 21, 2008 at 2:54 am

    Gravatar

    “When I look at the Indian vote specifically, even the “Open Source India” folks say that the only people voting for OpenXML were the exporters of software. [1] i.e. those companies looking for opportunities to generate revenue for the Indian software economy, rather than a bunch of ideologists who would be unlikely to use the specification regardless of it becomes a standard or not.”

    Unlikely to use the specification ?? As far as I can tell majority of PC users are using a office suite…

    To be more corrected…Exporters of microsoft software…

    Why would M$ want to put it through ISO ? They can live happily without that…But ramping up a proprietor software by money and all sort of cheap techniques to get a ISO rubber stamp just shows how cheap they have become. It broken beyond repair that they themself cant even implement it…just makes me sick.

    World does not need a costly, broken ISO standard.

  5. James McDougal said,

    March 21, 2008 at 2:55 am

    Gravatar

    You twist my words… the suggestion was that the evaluating group should always be representitive of the countries constituent software industry.

  6. LinuxIfFun said,

    March 21, 2008 at 3:00 am

    Gravatar

    “those companies looking for opportunities to generate revenue for the Indian software economy”

    There are lots of opportunity for open source software. Closed source is ethically wrong, anti-consumer – dont support it. Its like holding your users at ransom. Whether its from M$ or anyone else.

    Would you buy your car with the hood wielded shut ?

    Binary puke = closed source.

    Every user has the right to receive the source code of the application he/she has bought and has every right to make changes to it as per their needs.

  7. LinuxIfFun said,

    March 21, 2008 at 3:15 am

    Gravatar

    “You twist my words… the suggestion was that the evaluating group should always be representitive of the countries constituent software industry.”

    So that they can twist the laws to serve them rather than the country. The voted “yes” because it serves only them and not the future of the country.

  8. Roy Schestowitz said,

    March 21, 2008 at 3:14 am

    Gravatar

    While I tend not to get ‘religious’ over this issue, your comment brought to mind the following old quote:

    “Since when has the world of computer software design been about what people want? This is a simple question of evolution. The day is quickly coming when every knee will bow down to a silicon fist, and you will all beg your binary gods for mercy.”

    — Bill Gates

  9. Roy Schestowitz said,

    March 21, 2008 at 3:16 am

    Gravatar

    By “twist my words” I’m not sure whose comment he was referring to. I thought it was mine.

  10. LinuxIfFun said,

    March 21, 2008 at 3:20 am

    Gravatar

    OOXML is anti consumer. It promotes the welfare of the few. It is poison pill (filled with patents, broken, costly, etc)

    No way any sane person can be doing any right by passing it off as a ISO standard.

    Either they dont care, don’t know, haven’t read the specification, paid to vote yes or just acting in self interest.

    Its sad to see the IT companies of India voting “YES” on it. They have lost all self respect all over India. They exist to serve only themself.

  11. Roy Schestowitz said,

    March 21, 2008 at 3:30 am

    Gravatar

    The OSI has just made a good post which concludes with:

    Any standards body that approves OOXML needs to blush. Any company which submits OOXML as a standard needs to blush.

  12. Ed said,

    March 21, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Gravatar

    “If you wanted a panel that was representative of the software industry in any given country, which is probably a far smarter way to judge the needs of that industry and the equitable benefits to a country, then you should probably look at market share and needs then divide your committee seats up that way.”

    Do you mean the market share based on dollars (Microsoft’s prices vs $0 for free software) ? Do you mean today’s Microsoft-dominated IT market share or the market share that would exist if India had it’s own IT infrastructure based on open-source (requires elimination of Microsoft dominance as a pre-requisite) ? Do you measure market share in server operating systems *SOLD* (see comment above about open-source pricing and provide a way to count the number of servers loaded with downloaded software or those loaded with media already installed on another box) ? Do you mean market share of *Desktop* operating systems or market share of *Server* operating systems (refer to previous questions about measuring market share) ?

    I suggest that perhaps seats on the committee should be apportioned to whoever wishes to work on that committee, provided that they spend at least one year on the committee actively participating in every activity of that committee prior to being allowed to vote and provided that their voting track record during their one-year probation indicates a complete independence of thought and analysis and provided that they recuse themselves whenever a vote is taken on a standard proposed by someone they have a strong business relationship with.

    This would leave unbiased personnel on the panels and quality of standards would increase significantly.

What Else is New


  1. IBM Comes Under Growing Scrutiny for Increasingly Acting Just Like a Patent Troll Amid Layoffs

    Deservedly if not belatedly too, more and more pundits come to recognise the rogue element which is IBM, having promoted software patents all around the world, utilised software patents aggressively (to attack/marginalise/tax rivals), lobbied the government to antagonise the Supreme Court's decision on Alice (using former IBM staff which it had somehow snuck into the USPTO), created bogus solutions to the side effects (such as patent trolls) and so on



  2. Enemies of Europe: A Month After Promoting UPC in London, Benoît Battistelli and the EPO Do This in Helsinki

    The US-leaning corporate occupation by Battistelli and his big corporate clients (or bosses) comes up north, approaching even Russia's border



  3. You Need to Become Proprietary Software Customer (Microsoft Recommended) to Interact with the European Patent Office

    The European Patent Office (EPO) continues to show technical and bureaucratic anomalies that have essentially turned it into agent of monopolisation, benefiting firms from across the Atlantic



  4. US Congress Should Investigate EPO and Battistelli, Not Just WIPO and Francis Gurry

    The US takes more and more actions against WIPO for abuses against workers, but why not the European Patent Office (EPO) as well?



  5. Amid French Political Actions Against EPO Management French Consulate the Target of Next Week's EPO Staff Protest

    Next Wednesday at lunchtime staff of the European Patent Office will march to the French consulate in Munich in pursuit of labour rights, human rights etc. (not just of EPO staff but also, by extension, all staff in such unaccountable international institutions)



  6. Links 5/5/2016: gNewSense 4.0 released, IPFire 2.19

    Links for the day



  7. Links 4/5/2016: Wine Staging 1.9.9, ImageMagick Bug Fixes

    Links for the day



  8. Links 3/5/2016: Mozilla Firefox 46.0.1, More Jolla Funding

    Links for the day



  9. New Paper About the UPC Explains Why It is Bad for Small- and Medium-sized European Businesses

    A detailed academic analysis of the Unitary (or Unified) Patent Court reveals/concludes/asserts that it is being marketed or promoted using a misleading premise and promise



  10. [ES] Gobiernos en Europa Todavía Activos en Contra de la Gerencia de la EPO

    Todavía hay trabajo político que está siendo hecho — aunque discretamente — contra Battistelli y sus chácales en la alta gerencia de la Oficina Europea de Patentes



  11. Links 3/5/2016: International Day Against DRM, 25th Anniversary of Linux (Kernel) Near

    Links for the day



  12. Interesting Supreme Court Cases About Patents in the United States

    A quick review of some of the latest developments regarding SCOTUS (the US Supreme Court) as far as patents go



  13. Governments in Europe Still Active Against EPO Management

    There is still political work being done -- albeit rather discreetly -- against Battistelli and his goons at the European Patent Office's top-level management



  14. The European Spam Office (EPO)

    EPO budget at 'work', days after doing copy-paste jobs and also working overtime in the weekend for an extravagant and needless/purposeless event (except for Battistelli's own pride)



  15. Not Just Benoît Battistelli and Willy Minnoye (EPO): Željko Topić Too Thinks He is Above the Law, Avoids the Judges and Courts

    The latest developments regarding some of the criminal complaints and civil lawsuits against Topić, who is now a Vice-President at the European Patent Office (EPO)



  16. Nefarious Forces for Patent Abuse and Software Patents in the United States, Australia, India, Korea, and Europe

    A roundup of news from the weekend and today, with emphasis on the elements inside the system (or the media) which push for regressive policies that benefit them financially at the expense of everybody else



  17. [ES] El Sistema de Patentes de los EE.UU: Donde Uno Desperdicia Años en Corte y Gasta $8,000,000 en Honorarios de Abogados Peleándo una Patente Falsa

    un sumario de noticias acerca de las patentes de software en los EE.UU. Y ha lo que han llevado, debido en gran manera al decline en calidad de las patentes por parte de la USPTO (dejando que otros se las arreglen limpiando el desórden)



  18. [ES] La Oficina Europea de Patentes Todavía Sigilósamente Abusiva, Pagará $15,000 en Compensasió a Trabajadora Tras un Tardío Fallo de la ILO

    La Organización Internacional del Trabajo (ILO) emite un fallo en un caso de abuso de la EPO y nota “la excesiva duración de los procedimienteos internos de apelación.”



  19. Links 2/5/2016: Linux 4.6 RC6, DragonBox Pyra

    Links for the day



  20. Links 1/5/2016: Wine 1.9.9, Devuan Jessie 1.0 Beta

    Links for the day



  21. The US Patent System: Where One Wastes Years in Court and Spends $8,000,000 in Lawyers' Fees Fighting a Bogus Patent

    A roundup of news about software patents in the US and what they have led to, owing in part to the USPTO's declining patent quality (leaving others to clean up its mess)



  22. The European Patent Office Still Silently Abusive, Will Pay $15,000 in Compensation to Female Worker After Belated ILO Judgment

    The International Labour Organisation (ILO) issues a judgment on a case of abuse by the EPO and notes "excessive length of the internal appeal proceedings."



  23. [ES] Alice Continúa Quebrando Patentes de Software Asi Que los Abogados de Patentes, Cabilderos de los Monopolistas, Etc. Ahora Atacan a la Corte Suprema por Hacer Esto

    los cabilderos Corpórativos y abogados de patentes están tratándo de poner a Alicia en la tumba, por su impacto en las patentes de software que es muy profundo y así hasta ahora casi indetenible



  24. [ES] ¿Cómo Salvar la Reputación de la EPO?: Crear Más Jurados de Apelaciónes en Europa y Abolir la Malgíada/Malintencionada Fantasía de la UPC

    Una crítica evaluación de lo que ocurre en la Oficina Europea de Patentes (EPO), la que rápidamente se está yendo para abajo (y degradando sobre todo) a el nivel de los sistemas Chinos, en conjuntamente con corrupción, los abusos, y la bajísima calidad de las patentes



  25. [ES] La Corte de Apelaciónes del Circuito Federal (CAFC) Acaba de Ponerse a Favor de los Trolles de Patentes

    la tristémente célebre CAFC, que manifestó las patentes de software en los EE.UU, acaba de dar un regalo a los trolles de patentes quienes típicamente usan las patentes de software para extorsión enc complicidad con los jueces del Este de Texas



  26. [ES] Análisis de los Últimos Datos de Lex Machina Acerca de la Litigación de Patentes Muestra Como está Declinándo

    el Professor Mark Lemley de Lex Machina resalta las tendencias en litigation al colectar y analizar datos relacionados con patente y concerniéntes a monopolios intelectuales en general; actualmente muestra una sequía de litigaciones (muestran que ha disminuído)



  27. [ES] La India Está Teniendo Otra Prueba de los Peligros de las Patentes Occidentales, Debe Aprender a Rechazar Completamente las Patentes de Software en Medio de Gran Presión

    El gigante de software que es la India continua enfrentándos ea la cruel y agresivo cabildeo de Occidente, haciéndo que este controle a la India por patentes que no deberían de existir en primer lugar



  28. [ES] Microsoft Dice que Continuará Extorsiónando a Compañías Que Distribuyan Linux, Usando Patentes de Software Usuallmente

    La guerra de Microsoft contra Linux, una guerra que es peleada usando patentes de software patents (por ganancias y/o por chantáje con arreglos empaquetados), todavía continúa a pesar de todas las tácticas de relaciónes públicas de Microsoft y sus sócios



  29. Alice Continues to Smash Software Patents So Patent Lawyers, Monopolists' Lobbyists Etc. Now Attack the Supreme Court for Doing This

    Corporate lobbyists and patent lawyers are trying to put Alice in the grave, for its impact on software patents is very profound and thus far almost unstoppable



  30. How to Salvage the EPO's Reputation: Create More Boards of Appeal in Europe and Abolish the Misguided UPC Fantasy

    A critical evaluation of what goes on at the European Patent Office (EPO), which is quickly descending down (and overall degrading) to the level of Chinese systems, along with the corruption, the abuses, and the low quality of patents


CoPilotCo

RSS 64x64RSS Feed: subscribe to the RSS feed for regular updates

Home iconSite Wiki: You can improve this site by helping the extension of the site's content

Home iconSite Home: Background about the site and some key features in the front page

Chat iconIRC Channel: Come and chat with us in real time

CoPilotCo

Recent Posts