| moparx |
hey |
Jun 09 21:50 |
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Jun 09 23:06 |
| dsmith_ |
ok roy, I asked my question regardinf lenovo and freedos being withdrawn, he is going to find out for me |
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Jun 10 02:41 |
| ZiggyFish |
hey |
Jun 10 03:14 |
| dsmith_ |
hi |
Jun 10 03:20 |
| ZiggyFish |
the article in todays links … |
Jun 10 03:29 |
| ZiggyFish |
‘Military Supercomputer Sets Record’ doesn’t mention anything about what OS it’s running |
Jun 10 03:30 |
| ZiggyFish |
Do you know any more details about it |
Jun 10 03:30 |
| schestowitz |
Thanks, dsmith. ZiggyFish, those Cell clusters typically run Red Hat/.Fedora. In fact, I’m pretty sure it’s Linux. |
Jun 10 03:54 |
| ZiggyFish |
oh I see |
Jun 10 03:55 |
| schestowitz |
Virtualisation taken into account, over 9!% of the world’s biggest computers run Linux. |
Jun 10 03:56 |
| ZiggyFish |
you meant 91% I assume |
Jun 10 03:57 |
| dsmith_ |
yea has to be linux |
Jun 10 03:57 |
| dsmith_ |
what country? |
Jun 10 03:57 |
| ZiggyFish |
dsmith_: us gov |
Jun 10 03:57 |
| schestowitz |
Haha. Oops. My fonts are bad, so I didn’t e3ven notice. |
Jun 10 03:58 |
| dsmith_ |
set what record? |
Jun 10 03:59 |
| ZiggyFish |
fastest computer |
Jun 10 03:59 |
| ZiggyFish |
1 quadrillion flops (floating point operations per second |
Jun 10 03:59 |
| dsmith_ |
ok |
Jun 10 03:59 |
| dsmith_ |
man, my 386 could do that back when… sheeesh |
Jun 10 04:00 |
| dsmith_ |
lol |
Jun 10 04:00 |
| ZiggyFish |
lol |
Jun 10 04:00 |
| schestowitz |
Would that run he big animation films in real time, I wonder… if GPU embedded… |
Jun 10 04:00 |
| schestowitz |
GPUs I mean. NASA uses a lot of NVIDIA in the clusters |
Jun 10 04:01 |
| ZiggyFish |
schestowitz: AFAIK it is made up of components from comerical GPUs |
Jun 10 04:01 |
| ZiggyFish |
dsmith_: it’s like having a Peta-Hert computer |
Jun 10 04:02 |
| dsmith_ |
they must have built it to create Wall-E and Kung-Fu Panda, then turned around and sold it ot the GOV, when they got faster machine |
Jun 10 04:03 |
| schestowitz |
Oh. They too by the way use Fedora. |
Jun 10 04:03 |
| ZiggyFish |
Also the computer uses the same arch (x86) as the one your typing on now. |
Jun 10 04:05 |
| schestowitz |
Sadly, SUSE is getting some presence and room in clusters too. NASA just bought one and there’s one running SuSE 8 (or was). |
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Jun 10 04:14 |
| ZiggyFish |
there was a security vulnerability found in IE today. |
Jun 10 04:15 |
| ZiggyFish |
Microsoft Internet Explorer fails to properly follow RFC-2616 and uses content-sniffing to interpret UTF-7 data received in HTTP responses. |
Jun 10 04:15 |
| ZiggyFish |
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/29112 |
Jun 10 04:15 |
| schestowitz |
*rolls eyes* IE is mess. I wonder how much its deficiencies have cost the world and how much of this could be avoided. |
Jun 10 04:16 |
| ZiggyFish |
Although it says that it’s a Apache Vulnerability. in the actual description it says, “Additional reports indicate that the default error page has the Content-Type set, rendering it not vulnerable.” So the title is misleading |
Jun 10 04:17 |
| schestowitz |
There’s always blame-throwing. Hopefully Apache is diplomatic enough to clear this up. Symantec had a similar tiff with Microsoft recently. |
Jun 10 04:19 |
| ZiggyFish |
read about that |
Jun 10 04:19 |
| ZiggyFish |
lets see how long it takes for Microsoft to fix the exploit |
Jun 10 04:20 |
| schestowitz |
mMozilal as well, though it goes back months ago. |
Jun 10 04:20 |
| schestowitz |
Mozilla (typo) |
Jun 10 04:20 |
| ZiggyFish |
Mozilla Firefox may potentially automatically detect UTF-7 in some situations or configurations as well, ____but this has not been confirmed___. |
Jun 10 04:21 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft fixes flaws when they get exploited up to a level when it’s worth revealing the weakness. No joking. As for Mozilla, they needed to mimic some IE functionality or facilitate Windows-tied API. It’s a case where underlying platform mistakes and need for faux ‘compatibility’ hits counterparts also. |
Jun 10 04:22 |
| ZiggyFish |
I just tried it on my version of Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.4-2ubuntu5.1 with Suhosin-Patch Server at localhost Port 80 (with mozilla) and it nothing was wrong |
Jun 10 04:23 |
| schestowitz |
Replication flaws, eh? Sounds like some work.  |
Jun 10 04:24 |
| ZiggyFish |
I’ll just check the it in IE (got to load a a VM) |
Jun 10 04:24 |
| schestowitz |
News: “There’s no guarantee that Skype’s AES encryption is implemented properly or that there aren’t lingering security flaws.” http://news.cnet.com/8301-1357… (that’s why I won’t use the Skype blob) |
Jun 10 04:24 |
| ZiggyFish |
brb |
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Jun 10 04:31 |
| ZiggyFish |
back |
Jun 10 04:31 |
| schestowitz |
Testing FF? |
Jun 10 04:31 |
| ZiggyFish |
yeah, testing IE |
Jun 10 04:32 |
| schestowitz |
On Linux? |
Jun 10 04:32 |
| ZiggyFish |
(needed a to reboot in to an old kernel to access my VM (I haven’t yet compiled the modules for this new kernel) |
Jun 10 04:33 |
| schestowitz |
That’s what I suspected (virtualisation). I’m sure headlines will reveal blame games, assuming there’s ambiguity/subjectivity. |
Jun 10 04:34 |
| schestowitz |
What worries me is Microsoft’s approach towards Apache. They want them to deploy on Windows. |
Jun 10 04:34 |
| dsmith_ |
I deployed FF long ago |
Jun 10 04:35 |
| dsmith_ |
25% of the users ended up sticking with FF when they rolled out IE |
Jun 10 04:35 |
| dsmith_ |
yay |
Jun 10 04:35 |
| schestowitz |
I remember… |
Jun 10 04:35 |
| ZiggyFish |
schestowitz: the thing is it’s still slow on windows (even after their modifications) |
Jun 10 04:35 |
| dsmith_ |
apache should just tell MS to go piss off |
Jun 10 04:35 |
| schestowitz |
Did you not have the problem at your office where IE was called the industry standard? |
Jun 10 04:35 |
| dsmith_ |
haha |
Jun 10 04:36 |
| schestowitz |
Well, here’s the thing. About Apache et al. |
Jun 10 04:36 |
| dsmith_ |
what standard |
Jun 10 04:36 |
| dsmith_ |
yea |
Jun 10 04:36 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft uses labels like “Microsoft hater” and “zealot” to dare them to say no to invitations. |
Jun 10 04:36 |
| dsmith_ |
I hear that crap all the time, industry standard |
Jun 10 04:36 |
| dsmith_ |
I would say no |
Jun 10 04:36 |
| schestowitz |
Speaking of which, Asay is still sucking up to Microsoft employees (I see it in the comments of their blogs) |
Jun 10 04:36 |
| dsmith_ |
f em |
Jun 10 04:36 |
| schestowitz |
IE is about /ignoring/ industry standards. |
Jun 10 04:37 |
| ZiggyFish |
the expoit works in IE |
Jun 10 04:37 |
| ZiggyFish |
but not in FF |
Jun 10 04:37 |
| dsmith_ |
what does apache need from MS? |
Jun 10 04:37 |
| schestowitz |
Cool. |
Jun 10 04:37 |
| schestowitz |
Well, here’s the thing. |
Jun 10 04:37 |
| dsmith_ |
I have done both just to see how hard/easy it was |
Jun 10 04:37 |
| dsmith_ |
same with tomcat |
Jun 10 04:37 |
| schestowitz |
As I understand it, Microsoft invited various teams (Apache is just one) to live on its blood supply for a while and ‘optimise’ for win32 |
Jun 10 04:38 |
| ZiggyFish |
schestowitz: also it’s PHP that’s trying to work with IIS |
Jun 10 04:38 |
| schestowitz |
Ha! |
Jun 10 04:38 |
| dsmith_ |
bloood supply? |
Jun 10 04:38 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, Zend is a bugger. |
Jun 10 04:38 |
| dsmith_ |
ppl need to get it thru thier brains that MS is no good |
Jun 10 04:39 |
| schestowitz |
That Guttman guy (II the name correctly) is not only working with them, but he also sort of invited other to fall in love with Microsoft. |
Jun 10 04:39 |
| ZiggyFish |
schestowitz: I know that VM work better on Linux then on windows |
Jun 10 04:39 |
| schestowitz |
That too it a major problem. Often you see Microsoft exploiting these relationships to expand them further. |
Jun 10 04:39 |
| dsmith_ |
ppl will sell out for anything |
Jun 10 04:39 |
| schestowitz |
Hypervisors too is something Microsoft applies these tactics to. |
Jun 10 04:40 |
| ZiggyFish |
schestowitz: there was an expoit a comple of days ago (something to do with safery and IE) |
Jun 10 04:40 |
| ZiggyFish |
*couple |
Jun 10 04:40 |
| ZiggyFish |
let me find a link |
Jun 10 04:40 |
| schestowitz |
Xen being an example,. Based in Redmond after a Microsoft deal, then acquired. |
Jun 10 04:40 |
| schestowitz |
dsmith: Microsoft is exploiting some people’s weakness for money. |
Jun 10 04:40 |
| schestowitz |
Just watch the Novell deal. It had financial issued and it then met Microsoft. |
Jun 10 04:41 |
| schestowitz |
It’s Novell that actually ran to Microsoft and ended up abused (like a partner begging for the g/f or b/f to come back after a breakup). |
Jun 10 04:42 |
| dsmith_ |
hahaa |
Jun 10 04:43 |
| dsmith_ |
the novell openoffice xml converter works nicely |
Jun 10 04:44 |
| dsmith_ |
I ws messing with it the other day |
Jun 10 04:44 |
| dsmith_ |
going back and forth |
Jun 10 04:44 |
| dsmith_ |
docx -odf - docx |
Jun 10 04:44 |
| schestowitz |
There’s hope though. If Microsoft goes into debt (if it buys Yahoo for example), then it’ll be a push. |
Jun 10 04:44 |
| dsmith_ |
I just think MS wastes too much $ and human resources on frivilous issues, it isn’t just them anymore |
Jun 10 04:45 |
| schestowitz |
It won’t work in complex situation and OOo (or ODF-based software) will be blamed for being ‘bad’. |
Jun 10 04:45 |
| schestowitz |
Moreover, it’s written in C#, so guess what it says about dependencies (although I haven’t checked) |
Jun 10 04:46 |
| ZiggyFish |
Apple Safari and Microsoft Windows Client-side Code Execution Vulnerability |
Jun 10 04:46 |
| ZiggyFish |
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/29445 |
Jun 10 04:46 |
| dsmith_ |
these were simple files |
Jun 10 04:46 |
| schestowitz |
Well, the driver of the company at the moment is Ballmer’s envy and ego. |
Jun 10 04:46 |
| ZiggyFish |
Third-party sources have indicated that the vulnerability in Safari is the “carpet-bombing” issue reported by Nitesh Dhanjani. If the issue is exploited, attacked-specified content is downloaded to the user’s desktop without prompting. However, the Safari issue alone does not let an attacker execute the content. Presumably, an additional issue in Microsoft Windows can be exploited in tandem with this issue to run the content |
Jun 10 04:47 |
| ZiggyFish |
that is downloaded to the user’s desktop. |
Jun 10 04:47 |
| schestowitz |
Safari seems like quite a mess because it’s new on this platform and it’s only visible to a group in cubicles. |
Jun 10 04:47 |
| dsmith_ |
apple should just stick with what I know |
Jun 10 04:47 |
| schestowitz |
Safari is immature, with the exception of Webkit (KHTML) |
Jun 10 04:48 |
| dsmith_ |
who would want to use safari on windows anyway |
Jun 10 04:48 |
| ZiggyFish |
schestowitz: do you know what engine it uses |
Jun 10 04:48 |
| schestowitz |
Those who are forced? |
Jun 10 04:48 |
| ZiggyFish |
dsmith_: i thought the same thing |
Jun 10 04:48 |
| schestowitz |
Apple is pulling an ugly one. |
Jun 10 04:48 |
| dsmith_ |
<—not forced |
Jun 10 04:48 |
| dsmith_ |
I can make FF look like safai if I so desired |
Jun 10 04:48 |
| ZiggyFish |
schestowitz: apple is trying to get people switch |
Jun 10 04:48 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, I know, but Apple relies on iTunes zombies who just click OK to anything. |
Jun 10 04:48 |
| schestowitz |
Yes,, FF has had Safari like themes for many years. |
Jun 10 04:49 |
| ZiggyFish |
Apple’s Gamble: Push Safari to Windows Users via Software Updates. Did it Work? <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.as… |
Jun 10 04:49 |
| schestowitz |
I made one myself. I’ll get the URL: |
Jun 10 04:49 |
| schestowitz |
http://schestowitz.com/Software/RoyZilla/ |
Jun 10 04:50 |
| schestowitz |
HitsLink uses a particular odd population of sites. It should be considered inaccurate. It deviates widely from other surveys. Mac users love it though. |
Jun 10 04:51 |
| ZiggyFish |
the funny thing is the Sefari engine is open source |
Jun 10 04:51 |
| schestowitz |
Well, yes, but it took some feet-grabbing, I think. |
Jun 10 04:51 |
| ZiggyFish |
it’s under the GPL |
Jun 10 04:51 |
| schestowitz |
There was a KDE-Apple confrontation — however gentle. |
Jun 10 04:52 |
| schestowitz |
It is now… yes. I can’t remember the entire saga. |
Jun 10 04:52 |
| schestowitz |
Konqueror has Webkit as an option now. |
Jun 10 04:52 |
| ZiggyFish |
Epiphany developers provide an experimental build of Epiphany 2.21.4 using the WebKit |
Jun 10 04:53 |
| schestowitz |
Dependence on Apple, eh? I guess the GPL provides sufficient protection. What version of the GPL is it, I wonder. |
Jun 10 04:54 |
| schestowitz |
While KHTML is likely on its way to v3, I’m not sure Apple will have to follow suit. |
Jun 10 04:55 |
| ZiggyFish |
good question |
Jun 10 04:55 |
| ZiggyFish |
v2 |
Jun 10 04:55 |
| schestowitz |
The issue is that Webkit spreads. I don’t know if you read this, but FF might be Webkit bound too. |
Jun 10 04:55 |
| ZiggyFish |
KHTML = GNU Lesser General Public License |
Jun 10 04:55 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, but likely to be LGPLv3 later, just like OOo |
Jun 10 04:56 |
| ZiggyFish |
FF uses the Gecko |
Jun 10 04:56 |
| schestowitz |
With growing pains as I understand it. |
Jun 10 04:56 |
| ZiggyFish |
engine |
Jun 10 04:56 |
| schestowitz |
Let me find a link |
Jun 10 04:57 |
| schestowitz |
I can’t find what I read at the time, but these come up: 1) http://www.allpeers.com/blog/… and 2) http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4144 (from Novell’s Zonker, albeit before he joined the company) |
Jun 10 05:00 |
| ZiggyFish |
I think that was fixed in Gecko 1.9 (which is what FF 3 now uses) |
Jun 10 05:01 |
| ZiggyFish |
One main initiative in 1.9 is an overhaul of the graphics infrastructure, replacing the platforms’ API, with cairo for all graphics outputs.[8][9] This is expected to improve 2D graphics capabilities and, via glitz, provide accelerated graphics on 3D graphics hardware. It also results in a single rendering pipeline for HTML and CSS, canvas and SVG, so that SVG effects can be applied to HTML content. Using cairo will also all |
Jun 10 05:01 |
| ZiggyFish |
ow to output the graphics to formats such as Portable Network Graphics (PNG) and Portable Document Format (PDF), allow users to export Web content in these formats. |
Jun 10 05:01 |
| schestowitz |
This got me thinking. About 6 months ago, the man behind KHTML got promoted to VP at Trolltech, IIRC. So he’s now at Nokia, which is the same company which along with Apple shot down Ogg out of HTML5. The guy from Nokia was a former Microsoft employee. |
Jun 10 05:02 |
| ZiggyFish |
yeah |
Jun 10 05:06 |
| schestowitz |
News just in: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir… (seems like getting away with corruption is possible owing to the burden of legal expenses) |
Jun 10 05:07 |
| ZiggyFish |
lol |
Jun 10 05:20 |
| schestowitz |
it sums up the whole mess perfectly. See justice, as long as you are rich. Get away with corruption, as long as you are rich and can control the government, panels, etc. |
Jun 10 05:21 |
| schestowitz |
“Williams said there was still a case for the UKUUG’s appeal on the grounds that there had been “procedural irregularities” in the BSI’s decision to back OOXML. The BSI had supported the Microsoft standard after clearing a consensus vote in its favour among members. The UKUUG told the court there had been no consensus because one member, IBM’s Ian Larner, had abstained after long opposition to OOXML’s ratification.” |
Jun 10 05:21 |
| schestowitz |
OBS: what a world we live in… “buyers will have a choice of Linux or Windows XP operating systems, but so far Acer has not said if Linux choosers will be penalised with higher pricing.” http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story… _Penalised?_ |
Jun 10 05:30 |
| ZiggyFish |
schestowitz: In my country you can’t find a single Linux PC sold in you local mall |
Jun 10 05:36 |
| ZiggyFish |
*your |
Jun 10 05:36 |
| schestowitz |
Tesco sells them here, but it doesn’t put them up on display.. Another new find: “Neelam Dhawan, Managing Director of Microsoft India, will leave the company as of 30 June. Some media sources cite the Indian ooxml debacle as a reason.” http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-6… Where is arebenti? He was in this channel the other day. I think he’s wrong. |
Jun 10 05:39 |
| ZiggyFish |
In relation to the failure of Microsoft India to get a positive vote outcome Neelam Dhawan’s bail out casts a negative light on the company. If standard setting gets performance based and a standard is not let through due to its technical merits but the fear of managing staff to lose its position it comes at no surprise that the management will fight with all means for the adoption of suboptimal solutions. Microsoft India ev |
Jun 10 05:43 |
| ZiggyFish |
en filed a complaint against the standard body No vote that caused the outrage. |
Jun 10 05:43 |
| ZiggyFish |
lo |
Jun 10 05:43 |
| schestowitz |
Seems like a runaway from the corruption. Neelam took another Microsoft India senior out… wait, I’ll get the link… |
Jun 10 05:46 |
| schestowitz |
http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2008/05/whats-u… Never forget the NGOs.( http://www.linux.com/feature/128528 ) Microsoft exploited no-profits to loot the country, which I find sickening. Also see: http://www.indiadaily.com/editor… |
Jun 10 05:48 |
| ZiggyFish |
this is funny |
Jun 10 05:55 |
| ZiggyFish |
VMware, Microsoft or Citrix — who’s winning the app virtualization war? <http://www.computerworld.com/action/art… |
Jun 10 05:56 |
| ZiggyFish |
Microsoft said last month that it had sold 6.5 million licenses of its Microsoft Desktop Optimization Pack (MDOP), its bundle of desktop and application virtualization software available only to enterprise customers subscribing to its Software Assurance program. |
Jun 10 05:56 |
| ZiggyFish |
“Saying you’ve sold 6.5 million MDOP licenses is like claiming 40% of consumers are using Vista today,” he said. |
Jun 10 05:56 |
| ZiggyFish |
By contrast, VMware’s competing ThinApp application had slightly more than 1 million users when VMware bought its maker, Thinstall Inc., in January, according to Ed Albanese, senior product manager at VMware. He declined to provide an updated figure on the number of users of ThinApp, for which VMware announced a major new release today. |
Jun 10 05:56 |
| ZiggyFish |
Madden says Microsoft’s Application Virtualization is “undoubtedly more popular than ThinApp. But is it 6.5 to 1? That’s probably a stretch. It’s probably more like 4 to 1.” |
Jun 10 05:56 |
| ZiggyFish |
If you think Redmond is exaggerating, take a look at the numbers Citrix has bandied about in relation to its equivalent product, Xen Desktop. Citrix bought XenSource Inc. in August. Since then, it has claimed that its XenApp application virtualization software has 70 million users - or nearly 11 times Microsoft’s count. |
Jun 10 05:56 |
| ZiggyFish |
“They’ve taken their legacy server application and thrown in the capability to stream applications virtually,” he said. “So technically, there are 70 million users authorized to use XenApp, but only a couple of million are probably actually using it.” |
Jun 10 05:57 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft always lies. |
Jun 10 05:58 |
| ZiggyFish |
yes |
Jun 10 05:58 |
| schestowitz |
Look at the Comes vs Microsoft memo I’ll show in a moment. |
Jun 10 05:58 |
| schestowitz |
They also got slapped for faking Silverlight adoption. They fight the chicken and egg trap using lies, lies, lies. |
Jun 10 05:58 |
| ZiggyFish |
Rule one when dealing with Microsoft, they’re lying and while you’re listening to the their lies your attention is being diverted while they burn down your house and kidnap your children. |
Jun 10 06:00 |
| schestowitz |
Hold on. BTW, they used their shills at the Yankee Group too in order to lie about VMWare. Yankee was forced to pull down the propaganda, but Microsoft kept a copy of it on its site. Wait, I’ll find you the memo. |
Jun 10 06:00 |
| ZiggyFish |
except this time they kidnaping Linux |
Jun 10 06:00 |
| schestowitz |
Search this one for MSDN: http://www.groklaw.net/article… |
Jun 10 06:02 |
| schestowitz |
Selective snippets (from Microsoft): “Jihad is a road trip. in which an evangelist visits a large number of ISVs one-on-one to convince them to take some specific action. The classic Jihad is ne focused on getting Tier A ISVs to commit to supporting a given technology by signing the technology’s Letter of Agreement (LOA - see above).” |
Jun 10 06:02 |
| schestowitz |
“Working behind the scenes to orchestrate “independent” praise of our technology, and damnation of the enemy’s, is a key evangelism function during the Slog. “Independent” analyst’s report should be issued, praising your technology and damning the competitors (or ignoring them). “Independent” consultants should write columns and articles” |
Jun 10 06:03 |
| ZiggyFish |
lol |
Jun 10 06:04 |
| schestowitz |
Just found an answer to your older question: “Linux drives the world’s fastest computer” http://reallylinux.com/do… |
Jun 10 06:15 |
| ZiggyFish |
thanks |
Jun 10 06:16 |
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Jun 10 06:35 |
| dsmith_ |
wow |
Jun 10 06:37 |
| dsmith_ |
helmer cluster is something |
Jun 10 06:37 |
| schestowitz |
Rings a bell. |
Jun 10 06:37 |
| PetoKraus |
morning |
Jun 10 06:37 |
| schestowitz |
Early. Morning. |
Jun 10 06:37 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft is kaput (gradually): http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterpris… Even Randall Kennedy trahses Windows now that it’s dying. He used to criticise Linux. |
Jun 10 06:38 |
| PetoKraus |
:) |
Jun 10 06:39 |
| PetoKraus |
but the post is nice |
Jun 10 06:39 |
| dsmith_ |
boy, am I glad I learned Linux |
Jun 10 06:40 |
| dsmith_ |
Now we learn that there’s no point in waiting for Windows 7 because, according to Microsoft, “it’ll be just like Vista.” |
Jun 10 06:40 |
| dsmith_ |
vista…vista..vista |
Jun 10 06:40 |
| schestowitz |
that’s not new really. WIndiws 7 is rebranded SP2 and Xerox like (1980s) touchscreen support, assuming you have the h/W.. |
Jun 10 06:41 |
| PetoKraus |
i see it’s the perfect OS for XO2 |
Jun 10 06:47 |
| ZiggyFish |
schestowitz: isn’t vista a rebranded xp SP2? |
Jun 10 06:48 |
| ZiggyFish |
so Windows 7 OS a SP on an SP |
Jun 10 06:49 |
| ZiggyFish |
:P |
Jun 10 06:49 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, that’s what myself and others have said since 2005. |
Jun 10 06:49 |
| schestowitz |
Longhorn got thrown away in 2005 (Microsoft issued a C&D against some folks who tried to bring it back in 2007). Vista is XP with a coat of paint, DRM ‘enhancements’ and a bunch of make believe \added value’ gizmos. It’s not even more secure. They rushed it out the door, which in retrospect was a colossal mistake. |
Jun 10 06:51 |
| schestowitz |
Re: “sp on an sp”, there was an interesting interview with Jim “we need to slaughter Novell” Allchin last year. He talked about renaming SPs as though they are separate releases. |
Jun 10 06:52 |
| ZiggyFish |
lol |
Jun 10 06:53 |
| PetoKraus |
well that’s probably a good idea. Imagine W2k, W2k1, W2k2, W2k3… |
Jun 10 06:53 |
| ZiggyFish |
They rushed Vista out the door 3 years late. |
Jun 10 06:53 |
| ZiggyFish |
lol |
Jun 10 06:54 |
| ZiggyFish |
Maybe they do it on kernel version (they are up to NT6) |
Jun 10 06:55 |
| schestowitz |
Did you see the 2003 demo? Wait, I’ll fetch because it’s hilarious. |
Jun 10 06:55 |
| ZiggyFish |
Now look at Linux still on v2 |
Jun 10 06:55 |
| schestowitz |
Ladies and gents, welcome to 2003: http://www.youtube.com/wat… |
Jun 10 06:55 |
| dsmith_ |
you know they had some guys working on a open version of longhorn |
Jun 10 06:56 |
| dsmith_ |
till MS killed it |
Jun 10 06:56 |
| PetoKraus |
flash?  |
Jun 10 06:56 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, sorry. Should we ogg it? |
Jun 10 06:58 |
| schestowitz |
Can’t wait until October…………… 2003. |
Jun 10 06:58 |
| dsmith_ |
nice demo |
Jun 10 06:58 |
| dsmith_ |
but *thats* not anything like vista |
Jun 10 06:58 |
| schestowitz |
Haha. No… |
Jun 10 06:59 |
| ZiggyFish |
that looks better than vista |
Jun 10 06:59 |
| schestowitz |
Vapourware |
Jun 10 06:59 |
| PetoKraus |
did you see |
Jun 10 06:59 |
| dsmith_ |
longhorn reloaded thast it |
Jun 10 06:59 |
| PetoKraus |
the 2 versions? |
Jun 10 06:59 |
| PetoKraus |
xD |
Jun 10 07:00 |
| PetoKraus |
like, the two boxes only, @ the end of the video |
Jun 10 07:00 |
| schestowitz |
Imagine a conversation in 2002: “we should really try Mandrike 9. KDE 3 is maturing”. Boss replies: “No, no… look what’s coming from Microsoft next year” *points at demo* |
Jun 10 07:01 |
| dsmith_ |
lol |
Jun 10 07:01 |
| dsmith_ |
dumb boss |
Jun 10 07:01 |
| ZiggyFish |
lol |
Jun 10 07:01 |
| schestowitz |
Bill Gates will sell you a dream. |
Jun 10 07:01 |
| schestowitz |
Did you know Surface was going to be scraped for becoming the failure that it currently is? Only Bill Gates kept it alive. He wanted to sell us a dream. |
Jun 10 07:02 |
| ZiggyFish |
schestowitz: lol, you spelt mandrake as, a cross between Mandrake and Mandriva |
Jun 10 07:02 |
| schestowitz |
Mr. Candy Man… a shame really that he’ll retire to just sign more checks. Seen a moment ago: http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008… “First off, I have been asked by Christian not to name the school. Microsoft is terribly sensitive to the loss of any school in California, as they have to pay for millions in replacement equipment and software due to a court order.” |
Jun 10 07:02 |
| ZiggyFish |
schestowitz: Surface is an old technology (around 25 years old) |
Jun 10 07:03 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, done with Linux by at least two researchers (independently). |
Jun 10 07:04 |
| schestowitz |
I’ll fetch links |
Jun 10 07:04 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft Rips off Researchers at Pompeu Fabra University of Barcelona: http://dthomasdigital.wordpress.com/2007/06/22/mic… |
Jun 10 07:05 |
| PetoKraus |
man i hate firefox since i started using epiphany :/ |
Jun 10 07:05 |
| schestowitz |
Jeff Han’s Research Ripped by Microsoft Surface?: http://www.jorispoort.com/2007/05/jef… |
Jun 10 07:05 |
| ZiggyFish |
I know Motorola was released before it before Surface |
Jun 10 07:05 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft Surface idea not that new? : http://www.tgdaily.com/conten… |
Jun 10 07:05 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft’s Surface is evidence that Redmond is losing it: http://www.robneville.net/rants/microsofts-… |
Jun 10 07:05 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft’s Robbie Bach ‘thought about killing’ Surface: http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784… “Surface did have one important cheerleader: Bill Gates.” |
Jun 10 07:05 |
| schestowitz |
Bruce Byfield has just published a piece on GNewSense: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/… This I did not know: “GNewSense began at a conference in Tunis in 2005 when Paul O’Malley heard Mark Shuttleworth and Richard Stallman talking about the possibility of a politically free version of Ubuntu…” |
Jun 10 07:07 |
| schestowitz |
Mark Shuttleworth is getting challenged by BN.com readers at the moment. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06… |
Jun 10 07:08 |
| PetoKraus |
hehe, nice benchmark of distributions |
Jun 10 07:11 |
| PetoKraus |
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=… |
Jun 10 07:11 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, Phoronix has a channel now too (announced yesterday). It was interesting that Michael was asked to create a channel around the same time that I was asked too. It’s like IRC makes a comeback or something. |
Jun 10 07:13 |
| schestowitz |
I told him before that the benchmark should not involve brute-force kernel-dependent stuff. He’s just gauging very similar or identical components, so he measures noise without repeating experiments for error bars (standard deviation). |
Jun 10 07:15 |
| PetoKraus |
yup |
Jun 10 07:17 |
| PetoKraus |
i’ve noticed as well, the results are VERY kernel dependant |
Jun 10 07:17 |
| schestowitz |
BTW, speaking of Phoronix, I read that “the RadeonHD guys do hate Novell too actually. It’s so hard for them with order procurements. It took them 4 months for “processing” when they needed a new monitor.” |
Jun 10 07:17 |
| ZiggyFish |
it looks like ubuntu won the benchmark |
Jun 10 07:18 |
| PetoKraus |
i mean, on my livecd is a kernel, which is made for troughput - and the system is compiled for P3 optimizations only - and it still beats my fine-tuned desktop gentoo amd64 with C2D optimizations…. |
Jun 10 07:18 |
| PetoKraus |
ZiggyFish: only because gentoo is missing  |
Jun 10 07:18 |
| ZiggyFish |
true |
Jun 10 07:18 |
| schestowitz |
Tweaking is easy. Let me find you something that shows why it’s all flawed. |
Jun 10 07:19 |
| PetoKraus |
k |
Jun 10 07:19 |
| PetoKraus |
i should really update my project, duh |
Jun 10 07:19 |
| ZiggyFish |
but that’s the power of Linux, you can make it as big as you want or as small as you want |
Jun 10 07:19 |
| schestowitz |
Lies, damn lies, and stats. http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/… (Outrage at Microsoft’s independent, yet sponsored NT 4.0/Linux researchOutrage at Microsoft’s independent, yet sponsored NT 4.0/Linux research) Microsoft: “Microsoft did sponsor the benchmark testing and the NT server was better tuned than the Linux one.” |
Jun 10 07:20 |
| PetoKraus |
http://www.linuxloop.com/news/wp-c… |
Jun 10 07:21 |
| ZiggyFish |
lol |
Jun 10 07:22 |
| schestowitz |
Heh. When LinuxLoop does the scanning of comiics, the quality is mildly irritating. |
Jun 10 07:22 |
| PetoKraus |
yes. |
Jun 10 07:24 |
| PetoKraus |
and the artwork even more |
Jun 10 07:24 |
| schestowitz |
Another Microsoft fake ‘open-source’ I came across moments ago: |
Jun 10 07:24 |
| schestowitz |
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/zdne… |
Jun 10 07:24 |
| schestowitz |
They do the same thing with OOXML, using some ADDONS that they call open-source to try and associate OOXML with open source. In this case it’s the SharePoint lock-in. Wait until they do some marketing blitz that’s intended to call “7″ open. |
Jun 10 07:25 |
| PetoKraus |
well, they actually may do that to scare people off buying it instead of vista |
Jun 10 07:29 |
| PetoKraus |
“W7 will be open, so it will suck, so, don’t buy it, go for vista.” |
Jun 10 07:29 |
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Jun 10 07:32 |
| ZiggyFish |
another IIS attack, http://www.itnews.com.au/N… (Wal-mart got attacked (which uses IIS 6.0)) |
Jun 10 07:32 |
| PetoKraus |
haha. |
Jun 10 07:33 |
| schestowitz |
The SQL Server injections caught 500,000 IIS sites with their pants down a month ago (just over a month). |
Jun 10 07:34 |
| ZiggyFish |
they had a huge attack a couple of months ago. (SQL injection attack aimed at MS SQL) |
Jun 10 07:34 |
| PetoKraus |
i hope my bank doesn’t run IIS |
Jun 10 07:35 |
| schestowitz |
On the other hand, phpbb was attacked also, but that’s app-level. |
Jun 10 07:35 |
| schestowitz |
<PetoKraus>, never mind the bank. How about your life? http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200… Dread the thought of your doctor tapping stuff away, putting it on a platform that’s claimed to be a zombie 40% of the time (USA Today) |
Jun 10 07:37 |
| ZiggyFish |
:(, Icahn steps up attack on Yahoo board <http://www.itnews.com.au/News/N… |
Jun 10 07:37 |
| schestowitz |
There were stories about hospitals that became botnets, even one in Seattle, IIRC. |
Jun 10 07:38 |
| PetoKraus |
schestowitz: ha. |
Jun 10 07:38 |
| PetoKraus |
these are data, which should not be on the internet |
Jun 10 07:39 |
| schestowitz |
With Windows, you _must_ assume that all recorded data can and will be shared with uninvited intruders. Some months ago I believe it was Gartner (Microsoft’s Partner Group) that said only about 10% of the data theft incidents get reported. Others are concealed. The same goes for banks. Halifax came under fire recently and online banking crime rose 8000% between2006 and 2007. |
Jun 10 07:39 |
| PetoKraus |
umm |
Jun 10 07:40 |
| schestowitz |
It should be on the Internet, just not on Windows. |
Jun 10 07:40 |
| ZiggyFish |
schestowitz: that’s why I don’t use Internet banking |
Jun 10 07:40 |
| PetoKraus |
well about internet banking |
Jun 10 07:40 |
| PetoKraus |
that’s money |
Jun 10 07:40 |
| PetoKraus |
you can sue the bank, you’ll win |
Jun 10 07:41 |
| schestowitz |
Not quite. |
Jun 10 07:41 |
| ZiggyFish |
when they move their severs to Linux, I might consider it |
Jun 10 07:41 |
| PetoKraus |
but what can you do when someone gets your medical data? |
Jun 10 07:41 |
| schestowitz |
Here in the UK they have a new policy that says if you’re not protected (firewall, AV, etc), you are liable. |
Jun 10 07:41 |
| schestowitz |
Which was funny because, as Glyn Moody pointed out, does that make Linux users liable? They don’t need that stuff. Others suggest that Live CDs should be distributed by banks. |
Jun 10 07:42 |
| PetoKraus |
and they pick the firewalls and antivirus as well? |
Jun 10 07:42 |
| ZiggyFish |
PetoKraus: I’ve haven’t been to a doctor for 4 years |
Jun 10 07:42 |
| PetoKraus |
ZiggyFish:  |
Jun 10 07:42 |
| PetoKraus |
i just don’t trust web for holding of secure data |
Jun 10 07:42 |
| PetoKraus |
well, data which should be secured |
Jun 10 07:43 |
| PetoKraus |
cause, everything will get hacked, eventually |
Jun 10 07:43 |
| schestowitz |
By whom? There’s also social enginering. |
Jun 10 07:43 |
| PetoKraus |
by whom? just because it’s there, i believe |
Jun 10 07:43 |
| PetoKraus |
they hacked our national security bureau recently (a year ago) |
Jun 10 07:44 |
| schestowitz |
Even in non-electronic form, it’s not secure. |
Jun 10 07:44 |
| PetoKraus |
yes, that’s true |
Jun 10 07:44 |
| PetoKraus |
but you can at least lock it down physically |
Jun 10 07:44 |
| ZiggyFish |
schestowitz: yeah, but it requires the person to actually have access the the data |
Jun 10 07:44 |
| schestowitz |
Schneier writes some good stuff on that topic. |
Jun 10 07:44 |
| PetoKraus |
i’ll upload you an essay what happened here a while ago |
Jun 10 07:44 |
| schestowitz |
There’s also the option of bribing someone , <ZiggyFish> . |
Jun 10 07:45 |
| ZiggyFish |
true |
Jun 10 07:45 |
| schestowitz |
It does happen. That’s why Microsoft handing out USB back doors to policemen is stupid, stupid, stupid. |
Jun 10 07:45 |
| schestowitz |
How long before the blackhat community gets hold of one of these and studies it? |
Jun 10 07:45 |
| PetoKraus |
mind odt? |
Jun 10 07:46 |
| PetoKraus |
or rather pdf |
Jun 10 07:46 |
| schestowitz |
ODT is good. |
Jun 10 07:46 |
| ZiggyFish |
schestowitz: that doesn’t bother Linux (give people more reason to choose linux) |
Jun 10 07:46 |
| schestowitz |
PDF also good. |
Jun 10 07:46 |
| PetoKraus |
i preffer pdf for publishing… |
Jun 10 07:47 |
| PetoKraus |
it ensures that it’ll display correctly |
Jun 10 07:47 |
| PetoKraus |
and print correctly |
Jun 10 07:47 |
| ZiggyFish |
when I send my resume to employees, I usually send it as PDF |
Jun 10 07:47 |
| PetoKraus |
me as well |
Jun 10 07:47 |
| PetoKraus |
it’s dead easy to click export… |
Jun 10 07:48 |
| ZiggyFish |
they can’t read ODT so, the next best thing is PDF |
Jun 10 07:48 |
| PetoKraus |
http://pk.gjhak.sk/.storage/pete… |
Jun 10 07:48 |
| schestowitz |
I open PDFs quickly, but I don’t know… I don’t feel like I /control/ the text. |
Jun 10 07:48 |
| schestowitz |
Adobe has the power. I can only /view/… |
Jun 10 07:48 |
| schestowitz |
Funny feeling. |
Jun 10 07:48 |
| schestowitz |
Like DRM. |
Jun 10 07:48 |
| ZiggyFish |
schestowitz: PDF is a ISO standard ( I know it doesn’t mean much), also they publish their documents on their website |
Jun 10 07:49 |
| PetoKraus |
well, I like pdf because you can forbid printing and copying of text |
Jun 10 07:50 |
| PetoKraus |
which is somewhat required to comply with school plagiarism policies |
Jun 10 07:50 |
| ZiggyFish |
true |
Jun 10 07:50 |
| PetoKraus |
this way i can redistribute my old lab reports for my younger schoolmates |
Jun 10 07:50 |
| schestowitz |
haha. |
Jun 10 07:51 |
| PetoKraus |
i tend to make fun from stupid assignments. |
Jun 10 07:51 |
| ZiggyFish |
lol |
Jun 10 07:51 |
| schestowitz |
That’s just like the DRM scam. Any person would just grab some software like a screengrabber and do OCR. |
Jun 10 07:51 |
| PetoKraus |
sure |
Jun 10 07:51 |
| schestowitz |
You only punish the honest people, not plagiarists |
Jun 10 07:52 |
| PetoKraus |
but my hands are clean then  |
Jun 10 07:52 |
| ZiggyFish |
but it makes it difficult for them to do that |
Jun 10 07:52 |
| PetoKraus |
honest people don’t need to copy my results |
Jun 10 07:52 |
| PetoKraus |
honest people use it as a reference (as to, what’s wrong ) |
Jun 10 07:52 |
| schestowitz |
This is insanely stupid. Why don’t they just guage their eyes instead? It’s more effective. *rolls eyes* |
Jun 10 07:53 |
| schestowitz |
gouge I meant. |
Jun 10 07:53 |
| PetoKraus |
? |
Jun 10 07:53 |
| schestowitz |
Like cutting people’s ears to ensure they cannot /capture/ audio. Maybe a cognitive intervantion also. |
Jun 10 07:53 |
| PetoKraus |
well |
Jun 10 07:53 |
| schestowitz |
intervention. |
Jun 10 07:53 |
| PetoKraus |
the point is, I could get punished for helping them |
Jun 10 07:54 |
| PetoKraus |
they could get punished for quoting me |
Jun 10 07:54 |
| PetoKraus |
i want to help them |
Jun 10 07:54 |
| schestowitz |
Eben Moglen: “Everybody is connected to everybody else, all data that can be shared will be shared will be shared: get used to it.” |
Jun 10 07:54 |
| PetoKraus |
when someone has a problem, i always discuss it with him/her |
Jun 10 07:54 |
| PetoKraus |
but since lab reports are something you get your marks on, and it should be your own work |
Jun 10 07:55 |
| schestowitz |
Yes. Replication of things is still unproductive in many cases and restricting sharing an impossibility and a nuisance to everyone involved. |
Jun 10 07:55 |
| PetoKraus |
i don’t think you should be able to get marks for my work And i don’t want you to get MY marks as well xD |
Jun 10 07:55 |
| PetoKraus |
but we are not talking about industry area now, we are talking about school, academics… |
Jun 10 07:56 |
| schestowitz |
True, which is another reason to consider doing unique projects rather than have entire classes doing massive multi-player duplication extravaganza |
Jun 10 07:56 |
| PetoKraus |
well, you HAVE to learn to do it somehow |
Jun 10 07:57 |
| PetoKraus |
*how to do it |
Jun 10 07:57 |
| ZiggyFish |
to hard to mark |
Jun 10 07:57 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, but people can be taught by doing unique things. At unversities, people undertake projects. |
Jun 10 07:57 |
| PetoKraus |
in third year. |
Jun 10 07:57 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, but learning is done with input. Output can be unique. |
Jun 10 07:58 |
| PetoKraus |
sure |
Jun 10 07:58 |
| PetoKraus |
that’s exactly why i don’t encourage copying of my lab works |
Jun 10 07:58 |
| schestowitz |
Aha! |
Jun 10 07:58 |
| PetoKraus |
if i was completely sure they are perfect, i would not put them up in the first place (:P), and to anyone who whould ask, i’d hand a copy |
Jun 10 07:58 |
| PetoKraus |
but this way, my mates know, that they are average mostly… they are guidelines. |
Jun 10 07:59 |
| schestowitz |
It’s like sharing and not sharing. Taking away of abilities… crippling in other words. |
Jun 10 07:59 |
| schestowitz |
For the sake of education, supposedly. |
Jun 10 07:59 |
| PetoKraus |
moreover, no one ever asked for printed/not-restricted version |
Jun 10 08:00 |
| PetoKraus |
yes, it is crippling, and not sharing |
Jun 10 08:01 |
| ZiggyFish |
when I was in doing my diploma, the teacher would put errors in the code, so that we would be able to copy |
Jun 10 08:01 |
| schestowitz |
I can imagine what RMS would say about this because he encourages the opposite |
Jun 10 08:01 |
| PetoKraus |
but there are, in my opinion, perfectly valid reasons to do that |
Jun 10 08:01 |
| PetoKraus |
yes, i can imagine as well |
Jun 10 08:01 |
| PetoKraus |
he would ask me to not care about school’s plagiarism policy |
Jun 10 08:02 |
| schestowitz |
Ha. Yeah… |
Jun 10 08:03 |
| schestowitz |
There are some more moronic things to ignore though, such as software patents. |
Jun 10 08:03 |
| PetoKraus |
we’ve got a fictional classmate |
Jun 10 08:04 |
| PetoKraus |
he submitted an essay |
Jun 10 08:04 |
| PetoKraus |
copied off the first result from google |
Jun 10 08:04 |
| PetoKraus |
he got kicked off the school even before it was obvious he’s imaginary xD |
Jun 10 08:04 |
| schestowitz |
Can you ever prevent such a thing? That’s the key question to address. If not, a Plan B is needed. |
Jun 10 08:05 |
| ZiggyFish |
tackle that problem when it comes |
Jun 10 08:05 |
| PetoKraus |
I should get moving. |
Jun 10 08:06 |
| ZiggyFish |
sure, see ya |
Jun 10 08:06 |
| schestowitz |
See you |
Jun 10 08:06 |
| PetoKraus |
last note, what i don’t get is |
Jun 10 08:07 |
| PetoKraus |
how they forbid you to take pictures at gigs |
Jun 10 08:07 |
| PetoKraus |
i mean, why? why does it matter? |
Jun 10 08:08 |
| schestowitz |
Oh, didn’t you watch the news? |
Jun 10 08:08 |
| PetoKraus |
well, not really |
Jun 10 08:08 |
| PetoKraus |
i am not in britain for 2 months |
Jun 10 08:08 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft patented a technology for disabling cameras where photography is not allows. |
Jun 10 08:09 |
| PetoKraus |
we’ve got our own MP-signed-another-MP-on-presence-chart problem |
Jun 10 08:09 |
| ZiggyFish |
brb |
Jun 10 08:09 |
| PetoKrau |
