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08.15.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: August 14th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 7:37 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Enter the IRC channel now

twitter M$ declares victory in Battle of UK http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer… Aug 14 00:00
twit… Aug 14 00:01
schestowitz Yes, I saw that earlier. I also saw that anti-Linux article from the INQ, which came via some writer whom I never saw before. Aug 14 00:02
twitter That article by Paul Venizia in Infoworld is interesting but I think he was way to easy on Vista.  He interesting sense of what “usable” is, especially when he ends up saying he’s not going to use it. Aug 14 00:11
twitter Hey, good for Felton!  I did not get a sense of the success they were having with Lindependence day from that one movie I saw. Aug 14 00:16
twitter Thanks for all the other good GNU/Linux news today.  It would be nice to see all of that on Slashdot. Aug 14 00:24
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MinceR hay Aug 14 00:31
schestowitz Hi there. Aug 14 00:34
schestowitz twitter: see that previous article from Paul about Windows. I put it in Digg and it got like 60 votes. It was about putting it to rest. I think that followup article was about ‘adding balance’. Aug 14 00:35
schestowitz twitter: Lindependence lives on as videos and stories. It creates buzz. Larry E-mailed me earlier. Very kind of him. Aug 14 00:36
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schestowitz Hmmm… this is not good http://www.daniweb.com/b… “The OS itself is based on SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 and the software bundle includes a Firefox-derived browser plus a customised email, diary and contacts organiser, as well as drivers for the notebook’s wireless and 3G HSDPA radios. Viewers for Office documents and PDF are also included.” Is it ‘taxed’? Aug 14 09:14
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schestowitz Another harassment account in Digg: http://digg.com/users/Amiga501 Aug 14 14:26
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twitter Good morning.  I liked your last SLED article and submitted to Slashdot based on it.  http://slashdot.org/~twitter/… Aug 14 15:42
twitter The SLED reference from daniweb was not there when I looked. Aug 14 15:46
twitter Amiga501 is a nasty little troll/sockpuppet. Aug 14 15:49
reya276 schestowitz: hey dude, I’m spartan2276, I’ve posted some replies on your article. Pretty good stuff you guys got going. Aug 14 15:49
reya276 schestowitz:  I need some clarification on this mono stuff, I’m a web developer and I keep getting alot of buzz from the MS .Net developers about this Silverlight garbage, I lean towards FOSS and Adobe products for development and at times I have to make critical decisions in my company when it comes to what web server software to use, right now we use mainly coldfusion, PHP and apache. So is Mono in it’s current for bad for FOSS? Aug 14 15:52
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kentma schestowitz: reya276 has a question for you. Aug 14 17:12
schestowitz Hold on. I’ll get a shower fist Aug 14 17:12
schestowitz first Aug 14 17:13
kentma don’t let gary see that typo, he’ll have it all over the net ;-) Aug 14 17:13
schestowitz Yes, I know. I typed while standing up. had to correct it quickly. Aug 14 17:22
kentma just looking at your html file. Aug 14 17:23
schestowitz twitter:  thanks for the post to Slashdot. I’m looking at it now. Aug 14 17:23
kentma it seems that searching for href=”http  as a start point will work, then finding “> then storing and finding </a> and trunkating the stored bit.  Unfortunately, the http doesn’t start at the beginning of the line, which would be excellent, but at least there is only one per line, normally, anyway. Aug 14 17:24
kentma looking at them, though, I can’t see that truncating will leave anything meaningful, at least, not without doing some serious interpretation of the URL. Aug 14 17:27
kentma hmm, off for some tea. Aug 14 17:27
schestowitz Yeah, it’s a tought. Aug 14 17:27
schestowitz * Toughy.  I’ve just got this weird E-mail… hold on Aug 14 17:28
schestowitz twitter: The editors at Slashdot put BN in the front page some times before, but after my warnings about their credibility, I wouldn’t expect much.  Also the Roblimo thing and Bruce Byfield whom I criticised.. Aug 14 17:30
twitter Bryce Byfield earned his criticism and should have taken it well.  There’s a bid difference between constructive criticism and calling people basement dwelling fanboys like he did. Aug 14 17:56
twitter Slashdot used to pick me up every other month.  That ended with Firehose. Aug 14 17:58
schestowitz There’s He did? Aug 14 17:58
schestowitz Oops: I meant: “Did he?” Aug 14 17:59
twitter Yes, a few months back, Byfield told everyone to “get over” M$ and to “grow up” Aug 14 17:59
twitter He followed that up with his recent KDE bashing. Aug 14 17:59
schestowitz Oh, *that*. Yes, I rebutted him many times back then. He was also on the podcast I did for SourceForge. he sidled with Waugh and the Mono/OOXXML people. Aug 14 18:00
twitter He’s advocated OOXML?  Got a link? Aug 14 18:01
schestowitz Not quite. He discouraged fighting it. Aug 14 18:02
schestowitz BTW, Victor posted this moments ago < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/14/linu… >. He too noticed Slashdot’s attack on  OpenGL. Aug 14 18:03
twitter Discouraging the fight is about the same as accepting a wrong.  Here’s his “grow up” article  http://itmanagement.earthweb.co… Aug 14 18:05
twitter It has not aged well.  :) Aug 14 18:05
twitter He’s also listed some flames here, http://members.axion.net/… Aug 14 18:06
twitter That should lead to whoppers. Aug 14 18:06
schestowitz There was a whole bunch of them (articles). At least 5, some in his blog. Serach BN for Byfield and you’ll see. Aug 14 18:06
MinceR tag the article “troll” ;) Aug 14 18:07
schestowitz He accused many sites that criticise Microsoft of being “conspiracy theorists” and all… some called him a shill, I kid you not, but I was not among those who believed it. Later came this: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0… Aug 14 18:07
schestowitz BTW, some site has just invited me to do an interview (on the telephone) with them. Because of Digg… Aug 14 18:10
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twitter :) Study up and have a good time. Aug 14 18:12
twitter It might be better if you can get some of the questions in advance. Aug 14 18:13
schestowitz Good new example of abuse/misuse of the term “open source”: http://www.xconomy.com/boston/2008/08/13/y-co… Aug 14 18:50
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schestowitz I’ve just been noticing some Slashdot comments where posters parrot the Big Lie (Linux @ 0.8%). is that common in Slashdot? Aug 14 20:36
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mib_0azlpq Don’t know about slashdot but on one of the links to the about the Dell “Blacktop” (the APCMAG) kind’ve praises the pirated version of Win-XP in great detail; including screen shots. Aug 14 21:02
schestowitz Yes, in China Microsoft just lets the boys be boys. But it occasionally cracks down on these ‘boys;,. Aug 14 21:03
mib_0azlpq It says to the effect of “maybe M$ should be doing something similar to it. – BTW, thanks for the link to KMFMS. Aug 14 21:05
schestowitz In APC (MSN)? Aug 14 21:07
mib_0azlpq Here’s the link: http://apcmag.com/pirated_window… Aug 14 21:07
schestowitz China has much better versions of GNU/Linux. That’s why Microsoft carries on giving Windows for free over there (while pretending it’s a mistake… or theft). Aug 14 21:09
schestowitz http://ya.iyee.cn/2007/02/chine… Chinese attitude on buying Vista Aug 14 21:09
schestowitz http://www.tuxmagazine.com/node/1000266 Why Piracy Hurts Open Source Aug 14 21:09
schestowitz http://observer.guardian.co.uk/bus… Microsoft seals its Windows and opens the door to Linux Aug 14 21:09
schestowitz http://www.arnnet.com.au/inde… Ballmer hints at tougher Vista antipiracy crackdown Aug 14 21:10
schestowitz As far as China goes, Microsoft loves Vista ‘piracy’ (it’s made easy to crack). Let me find the link. Aug 14 21:10
schestowitz That’s the one: Microsoft Happy with the Evolution of Windows Vista Piracy : http://news.softpedia.com/news/Micros… Aug 14 21:11
mib_0azlpq Thanks for these: the more I read the more I learn. Aug 14 21:11
twitter Yes, the big lie is common on Slashdot. Aug 14 21:14
twitter The trolls are also up on specifics of the “anti-piracy” sham. Aug 14 21:15
schestowitz Oh! And the Foundation. Thanks for reminding me… dare to criticise the Fundation [sic]… Just dare! Aug 14 21:16
twitter I worked for a mom and pop shop owner that got busted by M$/BSA for “piracy”.  He actually fought them off and won, which I think is rare. Aug 14 21:16
MinceR which Foundation? Aug 14 21:17
twitter The last time I mentioned that, some troll posted as if he had worked there at the time.  Needless to say, my comment was buried, the troll was elevated. Aug 14 21:17
twitter That’s a rather powerful libel against the shop owner but I don’t expect justice. Aug 14 21:18
twitter MinceR:  MSFT, the Microsoft Foundation Trust, I assume. Aug 14 21:19
MinceR oh, i didn’t know there was such a foundation Aug 14 21:20
MinceR isn’t MSFT just the stock symbol of the Evil Empire? Aug 14 21:20
twitter I believe the foundation is the legal entity which owns M$.  The odd name has to do with tax games they play. Aug 14 21:22
MinceR ic Aug 14 21:22
MinceR i thought they only started the tax games with the other foundation Aug 14 21:23
mib_0azlpq In a reply comment to VAR guy concerning INTEGRITY & COMPTIA, I partly criticized the foundation, but got back no reply. Aug 14 21:24
twitter No, the tax games are all old.  The name turns up no results so, like everything else M$, it is surrounded with bullshit and I could be wrong. Aug 14 21:25
mib_0azlpq Are there 2 foundations? Aug 14 21:25
twitter If you want to know about M$ tax games, see Erci Raymond and Bill Parish writings. The game has not changed, only the names used. Aug 14 21:25
schestowitz MinceR: the Gates Foundation. Aug 14 21:26
schestowitz mib_0azlpq: there are many pots of gold around (buckets of money to offer pet charities of politicians of whatever). Aug 14 21:27
schestowitz There are several blogs that are more credible than Slashdort. I hope they help people make better judgment of things, which helps all of us at the end. I find the mainstream media lacking and biased. Gates literally owns some of it (it takes research to find this out). Shall time permit, I recommend you watch this good talk: http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/n… Aug 14 21:29
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MinceR oh, i know about that one Aug 14 21:36
MinceR but i doubt they own M$ Aug 14 21:36
MinceR (re the foundation) Aug 14 21:37
schestowitz The Foundation is a nice setup for a variety of things. Aug 14 21:37
schestowitz Firstly, it enables Mr. Gates not to pay tax. This was said many times by experts in this field. “The Shell Game” Warren possibly joined him for this reason. There are other uses though. Aug 14 21:38
schestowitz It’s like PATRIOT, ACTA, DRM and many other things. You market it using one story (decoy) whereas the purpose is very different and can be a combination of selfish factors. Regarding the Gates thing, it’s a long story and I can find you elaborative explanations of what’s involved. Aug 14 21:42
mib_0azlpq Personally I think both parties are corrupt. NY a blue state, suppose to be democratic for the people but it’s the worst state for a corporate employee and the ordinary taxpayer.  60% of the NY corporations do not pay state income tax. Aug 14 21:42
schestowitz Both parties just happen to be controlled by the same people, so it makes hardly a difference who gets voted. The tycoons and even companies like Microsoft invest in both (through campaign funds). They butter the toast on both side. Aug 14 21:45
schestowitz *sides .There are many similar scenario to consider. The Foundation too can leak some money  that’s not tracked in the legal way (disclosures have their limits, also wrt to lobbying). For Gates, it’s a case of having the cake and eating it too. Being praised for philanthropic efforts while also amassing great fortunes. Aug 14 21:47
mib_0azlpq Yeap, with the foundation investing in oil stocks no less. Aug 14 21:49
schestowitz Well, not that necessarily. Trust me, I’ve seen other things that are more disingenuous. What’s repellent are the immediate attacks on those who ‘dare’ to question the intent. Smears and all… Aug 14 21:50
schestowitz A lot of charities are like this though. It isn’t a targeted criticism of Gates. And yet, it isn’t the exception, either, so it does not deserve special treatment. Charities are often shells not just for PR purposes but also for transportation of money (interests, favours). Lot of this happened through the OOXML fiasco, for instance. Example: threat to retract fundings conditionally (blackmail)… look at the Kenya story. Aug 14 21:54
mib_0azlpq The straw for me was how MS & Intel sabotaged olpc. Aug 14 21:55
schestowitz Yes, but that’s older news. OOXML bothers me more because it’s not finished (I’ll post updates shortly). Blackmail is the ‘inverse’ of bribery. “You’ll vote favourably on OOXML, or else…” [waves funds /] In the case of OLPC, Intel dumped PCs (sold at a loss in Nigeria, according to the BBC). That’s like another form of bribery. And then there’s AMD and those antitrust proceedings. Aug 14 21:56
mib_0azlpq Yes many going on are disturbing. But OLPC was the alarm clock waking me up and saying WTF is going on here? Primarily, BN is the first site I go to in the morning, then branch out from there. Aug 14 22:04
MinceR BN? Aug 14 22:05
mib_0azlpq BoycottNovell Aug 14 22:05
MinceR oh. Aug 14 22:05
MinceR :) Aug 14 22:05
schestowitz I would have never called it BoycottNovell. It was Shane’s choice. Aug 14 22:07
schestowitz He started ranting as soon as Novell had announced the deal and the blog category (in EDUNix) was “Boycott Novell”. He later made it a separate domain. Impulsive, quick, but we’re stuck with the name, I guess. Shane is OK with it… that’s just the ‘brand’ of the site now and how people recognise it, so it was never changed. Aug 14 22:08
mib_0azlpq When I first saw the name, I thought, oh well here’s another sight with a bone to pick; then I saw it’s very informative, not transparent as the MS humor sights Aug 14 22:11
mib_0azlpq I’m learning a lot. Grandpa said, “The day you stop learning, is the day you die”. Aug 14 22:12
schestowitz Hmmm :-( the initial reaction (“hate site”) is what harms it so much. To be fair, it also harms Novell as it should.  All in all, however, some are put aback by the name. Aug 14 22:12
trmanco http://weblog.infoworld.com/openreso… Aug 14 22:18
mib_0azlpq Grandpa also said, “If you straddle a fence, and you slip, it’s going to hurt you big time”. You can’t coddle the M$ viper and be true to FOSS. Something has to give. Aug 14 22:20
schestowitz I can’t stand the blogger, whom I corresponded with cordially seevral times before. He’s a nice guy, but he doesn’t belong in this sponosred-by-MS ‘open source’ blog. Aug 14 22:20
schestowitz He calls FOSS people ‘freetards’ and always tried to ‘monetise’. Since IBM and Sun took over this blog (from Asay and Rosenberg of MuleSource and Alfresco), it has not been the same. They are in CNET now. Aug 14 22:21
schestowitz mib_0azlpq: PJ wrote this earlier: http://www.groklaw.net/articl… http://www.groklaw.net/article… “It means that while OSI’s handling of a list of approved licenses worked very well for a community made up of FOSS programmers, who are decent folks all on the same page overall, now that enemies of FOSS are attacking..” Aug 14 22:23
schestowitz FUD resurfaces (alert): He’s feeding a flamer/troll. Why bother? It’s the same dead horse being kicked again by some guest that showed up in the Inquirer. http://www.geekzone.co.nz/b… Aug 14 22:27
trmanco I don’t blame him, blame the troll Aug 14 22:38
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schestowitz Sometimes bringing attention to the FUD Chorus Does more harm than good. IMHO. Aug 14 22:41
trmanco true Aug 14 22:42
trmanco http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/… Aug 14 22:44
schestowitz Wow. I spotted that just a minuted ago and pasted it in my text editor just seconds ago. Coincidence? Aug 14 22:45
trmanco maybe :P Aug 14 22:45
schestowitz Either way, Huggers is a Microsoft cr00k. He was there in Europe for the antitrust over Real and together with Ashley Highfield he excluded Mcirosoft’s #1 rival. Aug 14 22:45
trmanco we just can’t trust no one these days Aug 14 22:46
schestowitz Oh, it’s probably not clear from the way I put it. Huggers is a Microsoft executive… former… that’s why the BBC is now crooked and biased. Aug 14 22:46
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/2… Aug 14 22:47
trmanco lol Aug 14 22:50
trmanco they are getting powned Aug 14 22:50
trmanco aha ha ah ahah Aug 14 22:52
trmanco lol just loled Aug 14 22:52
schestowitz Other broadcasters are the same, but BBC came under proper scrutiny. Aug 14 22:52
trmanco nice video Aug 14 22:56
schestowitz And now the MSBBC is run by the same people (and probably the same guy) behind the demise of Real. If you look at antitrust exchibits (E-mails), you’ll find those executives (which Judge Jackson called “Criminals”) explicitly scheming to kill Real Networks /before/ it becomes as strong as Netscape. It’s like a suppressive regime at work and it was appalling when I last saw it. Aug 14 22:59
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twitter funny movie Aug 14 23:59
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    A struggle brewing between the patent 'industry' (profiting from irrational saturation) and the highest US court, as well as the Government Accountability Office (GAO)



  21. Patent Trolling a Growing Problem in East Asia (Software Patents Also), Whereas in the US the Problem Goes Away Along With Software Patents

    A look at two contrasting stories, one in Asia where patent litigation and hype are on the rise (same in Europe due to the EPO) and another in the US where a lot of patents face growing uncertainty and a high invalidation rate



  22. The EPO's Continued Push for Software Patents, Marginalisation of Appeals (Reassessment), and Deviation From the EPC

    A roundup of new developments at the EPO, where things further exacerbate and patent quality continues its downward spiral



  23. The Battistelli Effect: “We Will be Gradually Forced to File Our Patent Applications Outside the EPO in the Interests of Our Clients”

    While the EPO dusts off old files and grants in haste without quality control (won't be sustainable for more than a couple more years) the applicants are moving away as trust in the EPO erodes rapidly and profoundly



  24. Links 27/9/2016: Lenovo Layoffs, OPNFV Third Software Release

    Links for the day



  25. The Moral Depravity of the European Patent Office Under Battistelli

    The European Patent Office (EPO) comes under heavy criticism from its very own employees, who also seem to recognise that lobbying for the UPC is a very bad idea which discredits the European Patent Organisation



  26. Links 26/9/2016: Linux 4.8 RC8, SuperTux 0.5

    Links for the day



  27. What Insiders Are Saying About the Sad State of the European Patent Office (EPO)

    Anonymous claims made by people who are intimately familiar with the European Patent Office (from the inside) shed light on how bad things have become



  28. The EPO Does Not Want Skilled (and 'Expensive') Staff, Layoffs a Growing Concern

    A somewhat pessimistic look (albeit increasingly realistic look) at the European Patent Office, where unions are under fire for raising legitimate concerns about the direction taken by the management since a largely French team was put in charge



  29. Patents Roundup: Accenture Software Patents, Patent Troll Against Apple, Willful Infringements, and Apple Against a Software Patent

    A quick look at various new articles of interest (about software patents) and what can be deduced from them, especially now that software patents are the primary barrier to Free/Libre Open Source software adoption



  30. Software Patents Propped Up by Patent Law Firms That Are Lying, Further Assisted by Rogue Elements Like David Kappos and Randall Rader (Revolving Doors)

    The sheer dishonesty of the patent microcosm (seeking to bring back software patents by misleading the public) and those who are helping this microcosm change the system from the inside, owing to intimate connections from their dubious days inside government


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