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| schestowitz |
Android is coming.. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/0… |
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Aug 19 11:08 |
| windotexe |
C: dot run |
Aug 19 11:08 |
| windotexe |
say hello |
Aug 19 11:09 |
| windotexe |
hello |
Aug 19 11:09 |
| schestowitz |
Hey there. |
Aug 19 11:09 |
| schestowitz |
What’s up? |
Aug 19 11:09 |
| windotexe |
i am friend |
Aug 19 11:09 |
| windotexe |
you can call me windot |
Aug 19 11:09 |
| windotexe |
im running windows |
Aug 19 11:09 |
| windotexe |
i just installed it |
Aug 19 11:09 |
| windotexe |
its vista ultimate |
Aug 19 11:09 |
| windotexe |
hav you tried it |
Aug 19 11:09 |
| schestowitz |
Why are you on Tor? |
Aug 19 11:10 |
| windotexe |
how come you ask |
Aug 19 11:10 |
| schestowitz |
I think you’re trolling. |
Aug 19 11:10 |
| windotexe |
nuh uh |
Aug 19 11:10 |
| windotexe |
why you dun like windows? |
Aug 19 11:10 |
| windotexe |
thats how i get all the cool trojans |
Aug 19 11:11 |
| windotexe |
just the other day i got a trojan which took over my system |
Aug 19 11:11 |
| windotexe |
my cdrom tray kept popping out |
Aug 19 11:12 |
| windotexe |
i laughed it was soo funny |
Aug 19 11:12 |
| windotexe |
i love this fun game windows |
Aug 19 11:12 |
| windotexe |
nothing like it it gets all the trojans |
Aug 19 11:12 |
| windotexe |
i try rootkit next |
Aug 19 11:12 |
| windotexe |
i want magic lantern too |
Aug 19 11:12 |
| windotexe |
i want all the SECRET rootkits |
Aug 19 11:12 |
| windotexe |
the ones they dont reveal |
Aug 19 11:12 |
| windotexe |
have you tried this windows vista ultimate? |
Aug 19 11:12 |
| windotexe |
it is like nothing ive ever tried |
Aug 19 11:13 |
| windotexe |
i have question schestowitz |
Aug 19 11:13 |
| windotexe |
a question for you |
Aug 19 11:13 |
| windotexe |
can u take my question |
Aug 19 11:13 |
| schestowitz |
Sure. |
Aug 19 11:14 |
| windotexe |
good |
Aug 19 11:14 |
| windotexe |
my friend has windows and linux installed |
Aug 19 11:14 |
| windotexe |
he tell me not to do it |
Aug 19 11:14 |
| windotexe |
he says he found a microsoft update which backdoored his linux |
Aug 19 11:14 |
| windotexe |
is this possible |
Aug 19 11:14 |
| windotexe |
if you dont know, how do you find out |
Aug 19 11:15 |
| windotexe |
meaning, how what do you look for |
Aug 19 11:15 |
| windotexe |
my friend wont tell me how he found it |
Aug 19 11:15 |
| windotexe |
but he had to reformat the drive |
Aug 19 11:15 |
| windotexe |
he not use windows he told me to not use it too |
Aug 19 11:16 |
| schestowitz |
You can ask in a technical forum although your situation is fictitious. |
Aug 19 11:16 |
| windotexe |
not in dual boot |
Aug 19 11:16 |
| windotexe |
because it backdoored his linux |
Aug 19 11:16 |
| windotexe |
why are you saying fictitious |
Aug 19 11:16 |
| windotexe |
he said it mounted his linux drive and inserted a rootkit |
Aug 19 11:16 |
| schestowitz |
Because you have been here before (via Tor) just to troll. |
Aug 19 11:16 |
| windotexe |
so everytime he booted windows it would load the linux drive |
Aug 19 11:16 |
| windotexe |
no i have not been here |
Aug 19 11:16 |
| windotexe |
why is this not possible |
Aug 19 11:17 |
| schestowitz |
Why do you ask *here*? This is off topic and you know it. |
Aug 19 11:17 |
| windotexe |
why cant i ask here |
Aug 19 11:17 |
| windotexe |
is this a secret channel? |
Aug 19 11:17 |
| windotexe |
only secret people in hats? |
Aug 19 11:17 |
| windotexe |
i want a hat |
Aug 19 11:17 |
| windotexe |
and a secret badge |
Aug 19 11:17 |
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Aug 19 11:17 |
| windotexe |
i be cool too |
Aug 19 11:17 |
| windotexe |
hip and all that |
Aug 19 11:17 |
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Aug 19 11:19 |
| trmanco |
what TOR? |
Aug 19 11:21 |
| trmanco |
what is* |
Aug 19 11:21 |
| pcole |
Is this (windotexe) a common thing? |
Aug 19 11:21 |
| schestowitz |
It’s a means of anonymity. This prep was here before. He’s harassing me and others in other places also. |
Aug 19 11:22 |
| schestowitz |
pcole: we used to black Tor connections because many trolls came from there. But a few regulars prefer Tor, so the ban was removed. |
Aug 19 11:22 |
| pcole |
I was running tor for a while, when using this box at work, then stopped it. It got in the way. |
Aug 19 11:25 |
| schestowitz |
That troll IMed (in the IRC sense) me too. Obviously someone who has smeared me before with libel… |
Aug 19 11:28 |
| pcole |
Grandpa was always harping on me to live a life of integrity, no matter what it cost. Never hide, take responsibility and accountability for what you do. So using tor kind’ve bothered me and made me feel uneasy. |
Aug 19 11:36 |
| schestowitz |
Web anonymity is dead anyway. I never bothered. Those who bother get unmasked sooner or latrer. |
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Aug 19 11:46 |
| pcole |
Any chance of Neelie Kroes doing something concerning ISO29500? |
Aug 19 11:55 |
| schestowitz |
They still investigate. They took evidence, but I think that a fine is the best they can inflict. They probably can’t retract that ISO rubber stamp. |
Aug 19 11:56 |
| pcole |
A fine would deter a normal individual; not a corp. that almost prints money. Has any state considered an embargo? |
Aug 19 12:01 |
| schestowitz |
Yes. |
Aug 19 12:05 |
| schestowitz |
Europe said it would be OK to ban Microsoft shall a government seek such action, but it’s an open door rather than call for action. |
Aug 19 12:05 |
| kentma |
ISO - the stamp of corruption. |
Aug 19 12:21 |
| schestowitz |
Well, just look at it. It says it all: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-… |
Aug 19 12:22 |
| trmanco |
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?sto… |
Aug 19 12:25 |
| schestowitz |
Thanks. I knew it wasn’t final, but ISO is still too corrupt (self defensive) to leave hopes hanging. |
Aug 19 12:29 |
| pcole |
I saw that 3 of the appellants are members of the council (Brazil, India & South Africa), but wasn’t Malaysia against ISO29500? |
Aug 19 12:40 |
| schestowitz |
I think it was at the end. There were some reports on it abstaining. But it’s migrating to ODF noiw |
Aug 19 12:41 |
| schestowitz |
The longer the limbo goes on for, the better. Non-techies start to realise that there’s something very dodgy there and they inquire. |
Aug 19 12:42 |
| pcole |
So instead of abstaining it might join in the appeal? |
Aug 19 12:42 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, it has time too. Councils that moved to OOo/ODF can support such a move |
Aug 19 12:43 |
| pcole |
So there’s light at the end of the tunnel; does Jomar Silva know about the Malaysian move to ODF? |
Aug 19 12:48 |
| schestowitz |
He should. Unless he’s not following the news, which I doubt. Leave a comment in his blog, show him the GL article. |
Aug 19 12:49 |
| pcole |
I saw that Graucho already did. |
Aug 19 12:51 |
| schestowitz |
Does he have a Web site? |
Aug 19 12:52 |
| pcole |
Who has? |
Aug 19 12:53 |
| schestowitz |
Graucho?? |
Aug 19 12:54 |
| pcole |
No, he’s one of those hackers on the net. I’ve been in contact with him through email though. _xiso@hotmail.com. |
Aug 19 12:57 |
| schestowitz |
Oh, I see. Well, anything or anyone that can rock the ISO-Microsoft love boat… |
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Aug 19 16:19 |
| twitter |
That ZDNet Skype story should be taken with a big grain of salt. It’s not free software, so anything is possible but ZDNet is suspect. |
Aug 19 17:55 |
| schestowitz |
How so? Jamie seems like a nice guy (based on all his previous posts that I read), but ZDNet’s affiliation is suspect. |
Aug 19 17:56 |
| twitter |
That affiliation is powerful enough to overcome the best of authors. Editorial oversight eliminates things that are off message and will promote things that are on. |
Aug 19 18:05 |
| twitter |
As you noticed, every journalist has their M$ file and handlers. |
Aug 19 18:06 |
| twitter |
I don’t use Skype, but you can imagine M$ likes bad news about Skype. This article has a “whisper campaign” feel to it. There’s more supposition than facts and it’s damaging. |
Aug 19 18:08 |
| MinceR |
well, skype is evil anyway |
Aug 19 18:10 |
| schestowitz |
I am not a fan of Skype, but is Microsoft’s Unified Comms a rival? |
Aug 19 18:10 |
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Aug 19 18:16 |
| schestowitz |
I betcha Skype has back door just like Windows. It’s a govt’ requirement. Here are my refs: |
Aug 19 18:17 |
| schestowitz |
Skype won’t say if it decrypts VoIP calls - http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index… |
Aug 19 18:17 |
| schestowitz |
Backdoor in Skype? We need an open-source replacement - http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/5472 |
Aug 19 18:17 |
| schestowitz |
Speculation over back door in Skype - http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/Spe… |
Aug 19 18:17 |
| schestowitz |
Open Source Skype Scuppered - http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/200… |
Aug 19 18:17 |
| schestowitz |
Compressed VoIP leaves eavesdropping clues - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/23/… |
Aug 19 18:17 |
| schestowitz |
Pirate Bay bitchslaps Swedish law with SSL - http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… |
Aug 19 18:17 |
| schestowitz |
Why are European governments able to do more for less when it comes to National Security? - http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/g… |
Aug 19 18:17 |
| schestowitz |
Skype: We can’t comply with police wiretap requests - http://news.cnet.com/8301-… |
Aug 19 18:17 |
| schestowitz |
Beware of Skype - http://www.freesoftwaremaga… |
Aug 19 18:17 |
| schestowitz |
Why proprietary code is bad for security - http://wolfgang.lonien.de/?p=394 |
Aug 19 18:17 |
| schestowitz |
Cryptome: NSA has access to Windows Mobile smartphones - http://blogs.securiteam.com/in… |
Aug 19 18:17 |
| schestowitz |
Dual_EC_DRBG Added to Windows Vista - http://www.schneier.com/blog/arc… |
Aug 19 18:17 |
| MinceR |
skype is in itself a backdoor |
Aug 19 18:17 |
| MinceR |
the code, the protocol and all its network traffic is carefully hidden from the user |
Aug 19 18:17 |
| MinceR |
people should learn how to set up their routers and use SIP. |
Aug 19 18:18 |
| schestowitz |
It’s just like standard telephones. Snoops are normal. |
Aug 19 18:18 |
| schestowitz |
Orders for half a million snoops in UK in the past year alone, IIRC. |
Aug 19 18:19 |
| MinceR |
it isn’t just snooping, it’s creating an opportunity to run any code on your computer without your knowledge or agreement |
Aug 19 18:20 |
| MinceR |
with network access |
Aug 19 18:20 |
| schestowitz |
Oh, I see… |
Aug 19 18:21 |
| schestowitz |
Well, it’s not much of a spooks’ addon and Windows and OS X then.. |
Aug 19 18:21 |
| schestowitz |
Same with SUSE I suspect. The NSA messes about with SUSE as well. |
Aug 19 18:22 |
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Aug 19 19:14 |
| PetoKraus |
lol just reading about the… crap… with appeals |
Aug 19 19:37 |
| PetoKraus |
that’s mind boggling |
Aug 19 19:38 |
| schestowitz |
Groklaw’s or ours? |
Aug 19 19:39 |
| PetoKraus |
well, i am reading your article |
Aug 19 19:39 |
| PetoKraus |
iso-pegged-its-own-vote |
Aug 19 19:39 |
| schestowitz |
Oh, *that*. Heads, I win; tails, you lose. |
Aug 19 19:40 |
| PetoKraus |
yeah |
Aug 19 19:40 |
| schestowitz |
That in its own right should make Bryden blush. What a bunch of arrogant suits. |
Aug 19 19:40 |
| schestowitz |
Good news: http://commit-digest.org/issu… No commits from Richard Dale, no progression of Mono/C# in KDE. Maybe someone is on vacation. |
Aug 19 19:42 |
| PetoKraus |
hehe, that british crap shower/summary post |
Aug 19 19:43 |
| PetoKraus |
haha! |
Aug 19 19:43 |
| PetoKraus |
championing open standards- yeah fucking sure!!!1 |
Aug 19 19:43 |
| schestowitz |
Maybe they talked about football.  |
Aug 19 19:43 |
| PetoKraus |
well, i don’t know |
Aug 19 19:44 |
| PetoKraus |
absurd |
Aug 19 19:44 |
| PetoKraus |
didn’t know about M$ holding ipv6, tho |
Aug 19 19:44 |
| schestowitz |
Oh, shoot. I forgot to mention National Archives. Another one besieged and owned by Microsoft… |
Aug 19 19:44 |
| schestowitz |
I’ve just seen an article about that in iTWire |
Aug 19 19:45 |
| schestowitz |
My source for the IPv6 post should know. |
Aug 19 19:45 |
| schestowitz |
He was “in dialog with FUNET about beginning IPv6 usage in spite of the presence of MSFTers in our network support unit”. |
Aug 19 19:46 |
| PetoKraus |
yes. yes. |
Aug 19 19:47 |
| schestowitz |
There’s s*loads of article ATM about the leak from Dell. Ubuntu on the sub-notebooks… http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/200… |
Aug 19 19:47 |
| PetoKraus |
that kernel post… great |
Aug 19 19:47 |
| schestowitz |
Which kernel post? |
Aug 19 19:48 |
| PetoKraus |
ubuntu.sg |
Aug 19 19:48 |
| PetoKraus |
linux is not os |
Aug 19 19:48 |
| MinceR |
in at least one sense, it is :> |
Aug 19 19:48 |
| schestowitz |
Ah.. welll… I took ubuntu.sg down the other day. Front page in Digg that it couldn’t handle. |
Aug 19 19:48 |
| schestowitz |
I might make 2 front pages in Digg tonight. Proportional for the GNU.. showing how pretty it is. |
Aug 19 19:49 |
| PetoKraus |
MinceR: well, it depends on nomenclature really |
Aug 19 19:49 |
| PetoKraus |
though i always say i use gentoo linux |
Aug 19 19:50 |
| MinceR |
that’s one way it can be |
Aug 19 19:50 |
| MinceR |
the other is if we argue that the parts outside the kernel aren’t really the OS |
Aug 19 19:51 |
| MinceR |
(since that border is kind of fuzzy anyway) |
Aug 19 19:51 |
| PetoKraus |
well, yes. |
Aug 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz |
You could just say your computer runs Free software… though Linux is ‘the’ recognised brand name now… if not Ubuntu |
Aug 19 19:51 |
| PetoKraus |
though bootloader, HAL&stuff, ALSA… and those things |
Aug 19 19:52 |
| PetoKraus |
init system |
Aug 19 19:52 |
| PetoKraus |
are definitely part of any OS… (or alternatives) |
Aug 19 19:52 |
| PetoKraus |
and they are not a kernel. |
Aug 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz |
“GNU is Not Linux” or “GNU system” works better as an umbrella. I mean, isn’t the GPL a unifying umbrella anyway? |
Aug 19 19:53 |
| PetoKraus |
gnu is not unix |
Aug 19 19:54 |
| MinceR |
the GPL isn’t |
Aug 19 19:54 |
| PetoKraus |
 |
Aug 19 19:54 |
| MinceR |
many parts of current GNU/Linux systems aren’t GPL-ed |
Aug 19 19:54 |
| PetoKraus |
many linux distributions aren’t gpl-ed |
Aug 19 19:54 |
| PetoKraus |
splashtop, for example. |
Aug 19 19:54 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, BSD also. I thought about it. I have no idea what to call it then. |
Aug 19 19:56 |
| PetoKraus |
well, i tend to say - i use linux-based system |
Aug 19 19:57 |
| MinceR |
i tend to say i use linux. |
Aug 19 19:57 |
| PetoKraus |
|
Aug 19 19:58 |
| PetoKraus |
which is true, ofc |
Aug 19 19:58 |
| PetoKraus |
*true for me as well, of |
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Aug 19 20:03 |
| schestowitz |
Joys of government-approved monopolies: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/20… |
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Aug 19 20:35 |
| schestowitz |
ISO update: http://www.noooxml.org/for… |
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Aug 19 23:59 |
Highlight: Novell was the first to acknowledge that Microsoft FUD tactics had substance. Novell then used anti-Linux FUD to market itself. 
Highlight: Xandros let Microsoft make patent claims and brag about (paid-for) OOXML support. 
Highlight: Linspire's CEO not only fell into Microsoft arms, but he also assisted the company's attack on GNU/Linux. 
Highlight: Microsoft craves pseudo (proprietary) standards and gets its way using proxies and influence which it buys. 
Highlight: The invasion into the open source world is intended to leave Linux companies neglected, due to financial incentives from Microsoft. 
Analysis: Xen, an open source hypervisor, possibly fell victim to Microsoft's aggressive (and stealthy) acquisition-by-proxy strategy. 