Comments on: Mono ‘Guard’ Found in Ubuntu Forums

By: Chris Lees

Chris Lees — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:00:05 +0000

@Dan: I’m trying to get on BoycottNovell’s “McCarthy Index”… oops, I mean “Credibility Index”. Once there, I’d like to get a lower score than Steve Ballmer, if that’s possible. In fact, I’m such a Microsoft-loving Linux-hater that I’m posting this message using Xenix running on my 286!

By: Greg Kasyanov

Greg Kasyanov — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:34:50 +0000

This isn’t the first time that ‘Neighborlee’ has been caught trolling:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4478432&postcount=251

@neighborlee

there are different ways to support the anti-mono advocacy,

the productive ways are,

1. to encourage people to use the non-mono equivalent apps.
2. write software to compete with those mono apps.

sadly, there are unproductive ways too.

like resurrecting a very old thread that dates back from 2006, while recycling the past points that has already been raised in this thread.

By: Dan O'Brian

Dan O'Brian — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:09:31 +0000

Damn, Chris, don’t you know you’re not supposed to let little things like “facts” get in the way of a Mono-smear?

By: Chris Lees

Chris Lees — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:41:00 +0000

Mono doesn’t take up “many hundreds of megabytes” on the Ubuntu CD. A quick look through Synaptic for Mono libraries and runtime reveals that, in their compressed form (as they are on the CD), that Mono stuff takes up 16 megabytes.

Tomboy and F-Spot, which seem to be the only Mono-dependent packages shipping with Ubuntu, together take up about 4 megabytes in their compressed form.

Twenty megabytes in total. Google Earth takes up the same amount of space. Remember that Ubuntu would ship some other photo management program instead of F-Spot, as well.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:52:47 +0000

Here’s an example of one from a week ago:

http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/16/irc-log-15082008-2/

Interesting. I didn’t remember this. it felt like 4 days or so.

I’ll remind you that the thread Neighborlee started bashing Mono on was a thread started by a guy asking for help with Mono/Develop on Ubuntu. A few posts later, Neighborlee starts attacking Mono without any provocation.

I didn’t track these threads. I was shown some isolated posts there. I think it came from Neighborlee after he had done this. He wanted advice, IIRC.

By: Dan O'Brian

Dan O'Brian — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:33:24 +0000

He showed up more than 4 days ago. Recheck your logs

Here’s an example of one from a week ago:

http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/16/irc-log-15082008-2/

And you guys seemed pretty chummy there.

Btw, you’re still avoiding the question of whether Neighborlee is in fact a troll.

I’ll remind you that the thread Neighborlee started bashing Mono on was a thread started by a guy asking for help with Mono/Develop on Ubuntu. A few posts later, Neighborlee starts attacking Mono without any provocation.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:35:16 +0000

You’ve been chatting with him on irc for weeks or more.

He showed up in IRC about 4 days ago.

By: Dan O'Brian

Dan O'Brian — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:12:35 +0000

Btw, I take it from your lack of denying that Neighborlee is a troll, that you agree he is one.

By: Dan O'Brian

Dan O'Brian — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:11:41 +0000

Considering he was asking for your help DURING the Ubuntu conversation, you’d be wrong

You’ve been chatting with him on irc for weeks or more.

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:28:38 +0000

This started /after/ the conversations in Ubuntu Forums, AKAIK.

By: Dan O'Brian

Dan O'Brian — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:24:12 +0000

Well, he seems to be based on your hanging out together on irc (see your own irc logs for example)

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:33:57 +0000

“Neighborlee” is my friend? Oops. I must have lost count or track of my friends then.

By: Dan O'Brian

Dan O'Brian — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:25:55 +0000

Just got around to reading the threads, and it turns out that the most recent thread was started by a guy asking for help with MonoDevelop and then along comes your friend, Neighborlee, who starts trolling.

So, who’s the troll again?

By: Dan O'Brian

Dan O'Brian — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:21:34 +0000

How are people removing bugs from public visibility from the Ubuntu bug database unless they are the original submitter or an Ubuntu employee?

Hint: they aren’t.

By: NoSoftwarePatents

NoSoftwarePatents — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:30:25 +0000

Another reason is that the mono Guards hit bug reports and feature requests hard and fast, removing them from public visibility within minutes. The issues remain in the database, of course, but are not visible in the default searches due to the new classification that they get from the mono Guards.

Ubuntu could save many hundreds of megabytes out of the install CD by dropping mono. Since there are only about 650 MB in a CD, that’s a lot of real estate for anything. It’s a large chunk of the install CD.

For a large chunk of the install CD to be used for anything, it should be darn good. Mono is by all regards (except MS’ own de Icaza) garbage and not up to speed on what it is imitating, especially Java. It’s a travesty for a large gob of the install CD to be used up for something as diametrically opposed to Free Software principles as Mono. That space can be used for something technically sound instead that also meets the goals of the combined Ubuntu/Debian/GNU/Linux projects.

Ha! Chairman Bill and his ‘Guards.