EditorsAbout the SiteComes vs. MicrosoftUsing This Web SiteSite ArchivesCredibility IndexOOXMLOpenDocumentPatentsNovellNews DigestSite NewsRSS

09.01.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: August 31st, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:33 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Enter the IRC channel now

twitter Oh shit.  http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2… Aug 31 00:05
schestowitz This is good news: http://meganmcdermott.com/2008/08/2… Aug 31 00:05
*kentma has quit (“Leaving.”) Aug 31 00:06
schestowitz Oh. I think I remember where you live. Aug 31 00:06
ZiggyFish here’s more information about the hurricane Aug 31 00:08
ZiggyFish http://www.gdacs.org/reports.asp?ev… Aug 31 00:08
twitter It’s not so frightening here.  I’ve got a few big treas that scare me but my house has dealt with these things before. Aug 31 00:09
*trmanco has quit (“I just hit the close button :)”) Aug 31 00:10
twitter What’s so special about Outlook and Exchange?  http://www.kolab.org/ Aug 31 00:11
schestowitz twitter: I’m sure it’ll be a breeze for you. Aug 31 00:11
schestowitz twitter: they say “the suits love them”. Zimbra might work equaly well. Aug 31 00:11
twitter I’ve been using Kontact for years and it is way better than Outlook.  “They” are out of their minds. Aug 31 00:12
twitter The only thing that’s been a problem is palm devices and that is recent for me.  I had six years of flawless performance before my device was obsoleted. Aug 31 00:15
*cozub (n=zub@linux.fjfi.cvut.cz) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 00:15
twitter Bill Parish’s update is fantastic. Aug 31 00:16
twitter “Bill, why don’t you write about Microsoft anymore? The reason is that it seems rather sad, how an organization with so much promise fell so far, blinded by short term greed. … Aug 31 00:17
twitter Regarding technology and innovation, Microsoft is simply no longer relevant. Sadly, Microsoft’s legacy may indeed be its crushing of so many promising young companies here in the US, only to force such growth to instead occur in other nations.” Aug 31 00:17
twitter You can’t say anything worse than that. Aug 31 00:17
twitter or more accurate. Aug 31 00:18
schestowitz Wel… Aug 31 00:19
twitter I wonder how large a roll M$ played in the giant sell out to Communist China. Aug 31 00:19
schestowitz China and Microsoft are very close. Aug 31 00:19
twitter All that “Information Economy” BS used to justify most favorable nation status and improved trade has M$’s DNA all over it. Aug 31 00:20
schestowitz Ballmer was almost made (might still be) ambassador. Details in http://boycottnovell.com/200… Aug 31 00:20
twitter I remember something like that http://politics.slashdot.org/~twitte… Aug 31 00:24
schestowitz There’s lots more Aug 31 00:25
schestowitz If you want to find followups, use the links at the bottom of the posts (back-links) Aug 31 00:25
schestowitz “Infuriating love for Microsoft” Aug 31 00:26
twitter like that? Aug 31 00:26
schestowitz Yeah… McCain…. like the Bush administration that dumped the actions against Microsoft and became an accomplice of their frauds. Aug 31 00:26
twitter The bigger problem is that an IP Empire is repugnant and won’t really happen Aug 31 00:27
twitter US manufacturing has been decimated.  The knowledge is going with it and it won’t be back. Aug 31 00:28
twitter China only respects US copyrights and patents as long as they think there’s something to gain from trade.  Sooner or later the US won’t have anything left to offer. Aug 31 00:30
schestowitz “Knolwedge worker” economy. [melaughs /] Aug 31 00:31
schestowitz China may be the next US. The US used to fear it would be Russia, I think. Aug 31 00:31
twitter What they mean is “Knowledge Owner” and it’s not going to happen because ideas are not property. Aug 31 00:32
twitter Russia, China and the US are all threats to freedom now. Aug 31 00:32
twitter IP propaganda is one of the biggest threats. Aug 31 00:33
twitter and US publishers are behind it. Aug 31 00:33
schestowitz Yes, that too. Aug 31 00:34
twitter M$ is just another publisher Aug 31 00:34
schestowitz I spoke to a friend about this earlier. He used to be a musician. Basically, all that clinging onto knowledge as ownership is escaping the means of dissemination that led to it  in the first place. Aug 31 00:34
schestowitz Microsoft is a purchaser. Aug 31 00:35
twitter so are publishers, in their way. Aug 31 00:35
ZiggyFish how can you own knowledge Aug 31 00:35
schestowitz Their executive recently said that Microsoft usually buys products, not develops any. It’s good at relabellings/rebradning them, though. Aug 31 00:35
schestowitz ZiggyFish: you are getting very sleepy. I own the moon!! Aug 31 00:35
schestowitz It’s all brainwash and hypnosis Aug 31 00:36
schestowitz Microsoft says so in its SEC filing in the sense that it claims plans to brainwash kids with IPR Aug 31 00:36
ZiggyFish it’s like saying I own the air I’m breathing Aug 31 00:36
twitter They buy software and try to own it with patents, copyright and all that nonsense. Aug 31 00:36
schestowitz ZiggyFish: you do. Can I borrow some? Aug 31 00:36
ZiggyFish nope, I patented it Aug 31 00:37
ZiggyFish ;) Aug 31 00:37
schestowitz Please. Need some, Quick. Aug 31 00:37
schestowitz I’ll pay you later, I promise. Aug 31 00:37
*ZiggyFish gives some air to schestowitz under RAND Aug 31 00:37
schestowitz How much for a 5-year license? Can I redistribute too? Aug 31 00:38
twitter Well, someone with the power to set US policy thinks that you can do all of that rebranding of things you had nothing to do with all from a nice office in Redmond, so the code might as well come from China. Aug 31 00:38
ZiggyFish lol Aug 31 00:38
twitter Same with whatever Product you want to talk about. Aug 31 00:38
schestowitz I found some patent news from China an hour ago. Will post it tomorrow… Aug 31 00:39
ZiggyFish nice, good news I hope Aug 31 00:39
ZiggyFish brb. need coffee Aug 31 00:40
schestowitz It’s Sunday morning for ZiggyFish. Aug 31 00:41
twitter They have this odd notion that everything can work like Apple does. Aug 31 00:41
twitter They have marketing and some QC and a brand people trust. Aug 31 00:41
ZiggyFish yeah, it’s 9:46 AM sunday Aug 31 00:41
twitter Most people don’t realize that Chinese companies can bang together iphone clones in a couple of weeks. Aug 31 00:42
twitter Those that do know that think they can control the entire trade anyway. Aug 31 00:43
twitter and that Apple can pick and chose it’s suppliers and land the Lion’s share of profits. Aug 31 00:43
twitter They also think that other Brands can do essentially what the Soviet Union used to do with US aid shipment – paint over the markings and pretend all good things come from BrandX Aug 31 00:44
schestowitz twitter: they already have knockoffs. Linux-based. Aug 31 00:45
schestowitz They are slightly inferiors and raise issues with the US ‘capo’, but still… Aug 31 00:46
twitter Sure.  The thing is that China can quit cooperating anytime they think it’s no longer in their advantage. Aug 31 00:46
ZiggyFish schestowitz: isn’t the the Iphone a knockoff of the Linux-based phones Aug 31 00:46
ZiggyFish ;) Aug 31 00:46
twitter They have killed of US manufacturing and will be able to kill off the Brands at will. Aug 31 00:47
schestowitz twitter: yes, same with Japan. Learn from history. Automobiles industry, toys, manufacturing of electronics, etc. Aug 31 00:50
schestowitz ZiggyFish: I can’t think of a similar Linux phone that predates it, but OpenMoko predates iPhone. Aug 31 00:50
schestowitz Design-wise, publicly… Aug 31 00:50
ZiggyFish yeah, I know of a few ones in a australia, that predates it Aug 31 00:51
schestowitz twitter: first they ignore the Chinese/Japanese; then laugh at your lousy knockoff; then they fight them; eventually, mass production wins. Aug 31 00:51
MinceR could you list a few of those? it would be useful to rub in the face of the next crapple fanboy i meet. :> Aug 31 00:52
twitter It’s not just mass production, it’s a lack of freedom that matters in China. Aug 31 00:52
twitter This provides an insurmountable barrier to free manufacturing. Aug 31 00:53
twitter It will eat Japan too. Aug 31 00:53
ZiggyFish MinceR: give me a sec (memory is dieing on me :() Aug 31 00:53
ZiggyFish Vodafone 1210 Aug 31 00:55
twitter MinceR:  The difference between any GNU/Linux PDA and iPhone is ownership of spectrum. Aug 31 00:55
schestowitz ZiggyFish: need oxygen? Aug 31 00:55
ZiggyFish lol Aug 31 00:55
schestowitz You seem like a nice guy, so I’ll do you  a discount. AUD5 a gallon Aug 31 00:55
twitter ask Vanu Bose or David Reed about Open Spectrum. Aug 31 00:56
MinceR thx Aug 31 00:56
ZiggyFish nice (selling me what I sold you half an hour ago, are you from microsoft?) Aug 31 00:56
twitter http://www.reed.com/OpenSpectrum/ Aug 31 00:57
twitter Motorola has been using GNU/Linux for a while too. Aug 31 00:57
ZiggyFish when was the Iphone released in the us? Aug 31 00:57
MinceR too bad motorola released only a java sdk for those phones Aug 31 00:57
twitter The problem is not the software, it’s obsolete spectrum ownership. Aug 31 00:58
twitter That’s a political and legal problem.  It should be apparent that there’s no need free software is unable to fill. Aug 31 00:58
schestowitz Who owns spectrum? Aug 31 00:59
schestowitz Aad why? Aug 31 00:59
twitter The public owns the spectrum Aug 31 00:59
ZiggyFish schestowitz: mm, know the answer Aug 31 00:59
schestowitz “Hello, I would like yo buy some spectrum. Two, please.” Aug 31 00:59
twitter :) Aug 31 00:59
twitter US Spectrum auctions have got to be one of the biggest rip offs in the world.  Is there any other place that does a worse job? Aug 31 01:00
schestowitz “Aura SALE! 50% discount. Buy one get one free, only today” Aug 31 01:01
ZiggyFish I think it;s the IEEE who own govns the spectrum allocation (again memory dieing on me) Aug 31 01:02
schestowitz FCC just manages it? Aug 31 01:03
ZiggyFish that’s the one Aug 31 01:04
*MinceR owns a ZX Spectrum Aug 31 01:05
twitter Yes, the FCC manages spectrum on behalf of the US public. Aug 31 01:05
ZiggyFish they only just recently auctioned of some spectrum (Google was part of it) Aug 31 01:06
schestowitz ‘on behalf’ in scare quotes Aug 31 01:06
twitter must be the %50 discount Aug 31 01:06
schestowitz It’s really those for the polynopoly, if that’s a word at all. It’s price-fixing. Aug 31 01:06
twitter The effect on democracy has been very bad – for more than a century enormous power has been held by three or four broadcasters. Aug 31 01:08
twitter The rules effectively eliminated real public participation. Aug 31 01:09
schestowitz And the FFC also refuses to police them for bias. Aug 31 01:09
twitter There should be no need for policing.  With Open Spectrum, according to Reed and Bose, we could all run our own TV stations. Aug 31 01:10
schestowitz Why not? Aug 31 01:12
schestowitz Supplier/consumer law? Anti-peer law? That’s just anti-social and unethical. Aug 31 01:12
ZiggyFish twitter: the problem is, because everything must be on a uniq frequency. there needs to be control so that for example one station cannot interfere  with another Aug 31 01:13
twitter You said bias, not libel.  There should be no opinion police. Aug 31 01:13
twitter ZiggyFish:  that’s wrong.  Go read Reed. Aug 31 01:13
schestowitz ZiggyFish: that’s code for control Aug 31 01:15
schestowitz Greed and search for power gravitate towards this ‘upper crust’ and ‘peons’. That’s also the reason for PATRIOT… nation Gods and Spooks versus nobodies. It’s a risky thng because it resembles totality. Aug 31 01:16
twitter Increased public participation will undo the a lot of the damage broadcast has done. Aug 31 01:16
twitter It took a couple hundred years for the printing press to produce the Enlightenment. Aug 31 01:16
schestowitz twitter: I was going to write a post about it tomorrow. Aug 31 01:17
schestowitz Magazines are censoring writers and I got into a discussion with some prof about it. Aug 31 01:17
twitter Broadcast snuffed that out in less than a century by creating an exclusive franchise for three or four publishers.  Everyone else was left out in the cold. Aug 31 01:18
schestowitz Bah! I think “Zonler” is taking the p*ss. Aug 31 01:19
twitter Even newspapers were consolidated and controlled.  Censorship is the net result. Aug 31 01:19
schestowitz http://howsoftwareisbuilt.com/2008/08… “I think there are some folks that are very active online trying to complain about this particular issue, and they’re welcome to that viewpoint. I would suggest that maybe if you are deeply committed to open source, perhaps your time would be better spent in doing something positive.” Aug 31 01:19
schestowitz He’s a Microsoft apologist o sorts, representing OpenSUSE. Aug 31 01:20
twitter Censorship in the US is so blatant since 911 that people have written about it. Aug 31 01:20
twitter looking Aug 31 01:20
twitter Benjie quoted that earlier today without pointing back. Aug 31 01:22
twitter For laughs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benji or http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071206/ Aug 31 01:22
schestowitz Did he? I didn’t notice. Aug 31 01:23
schestowitz Well, they can defend Microsoft, I guess. Both Microsoft and Novell engage in fraud. They’ll go down as a pair maybe. Aug 31 01:23
schestowitz Be careful what you say, tessier. benJIman will snitch in the OpenSUSE channel. Aug 31 01:25
benJIman You publish logs publically, you can hardly complain about people repeating what you say. Aug 31 01:25
twitter Selective quoting can be evil, even if you point back. Aug 31 01:27
schestowitz I know, I was joking. Aug 31 01:27
benJIman Nobody asked for the source. Aug 31 01:27
benJIman The URL was almost as long as the quotation. Aug 31 01:28
twitter The trolls love to misrepresent things in their endless smears. Aug 31 01:28
twitter They are lying to begin with, so lying about people is no big deal to them. Aug 31 01:28
twitter what is a community manager? Aug 31 01:29
schestowitz Paid shill Aug 31 01:30
schestowitz With disclosure. Aug 31 01:30
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0… Aug 31 01:30
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/0… Aug 31 01:30
twitter It’s funny how they still pretend to be independent. Aug 31 01:32
schestowitz Yes, I wrote about this some hours ago. Aug 31 01:33
twitter Evil people always tell you that your opposition is a waste of your time and suggest you do something more productive. Aug 31 01:33
schestowitz The following is quite important: Novell and/or the community has appointed a new committee…. We shall return to this in the future. It shows Novell’s influence in (if not control of) the project. It’s not just about funding. http://boycottnovell.com/20… Aug 31 01:33
schestowitz OpenSUSE is independent from Novell like MS-OOXML is independent from Microsoft Aug 31 01:34
*libervisco has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Aug 31 03:26
*libervisco (n=daniel@tuxhacker/libervisco) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 03:29
*ZiggyFish has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Aug 31 05:58
*ZiggyFish (n=ZiggyFis@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 07:00
*ZiggyFish (n=ZiggyFis@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has left #boycottnovell Aug 31 07:00
*ZiggyFish (n=ZiggyFis@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 07:01
*ZiggyFish (n=ZiggyFis@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has left #boycottnovell Aug 31 07:01
*ZiggyFish (n=ZiggyFis@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 07:10
*ZiggyFish (n=ZiggyFis@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has left #boycottnovell Aug 31 07:11
*ZiggyFish (n=ZiggyFis@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 07:12
*ZiggyFish (n=ZiggyFis@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has left #boycottnovell Aug 31 07:12
*ZiggyFish (n=ZiggyFis@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 07:12
*ZiggyFish (n=ZiggyFis@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has left #boycottnovell Aug 31 07:12
*PetoKraus (n=Peter@host-77-247-224-25.isper.sk) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 07:51
*PetoKraus has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) Aug 31 08:04
*seller_liar (n=seller@201-68-138-121.dsl.telesp.net.br) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 08:08
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 31 08:10:11 2008
*Now talking on #boycottnovell Aug 31 08:10
*Topic for #boycottnovell is: Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications (publicly logged) Aug 31 08:10
*Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Wed Jun 4 08:34:16 2008 Aug 31 08:10
*#boycottnovell :[freenode-info] please register your nickname…don’t forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup Aug 31 08:10
-ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel Aug 31 08:10
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz Aug 31 08:10
*seller_liar has quit (“Saindo”) Aug 31 09:53
schestowitz Interesting timing: http://hughs-space.com/2008/08/30/ubuntu… ( Ubuntu Preinstalled in Poland ) Aug 31 09:59
mib_g7349c On his trip to Brazil, my dad saw a few “preinstalls” with Kurumin & Famelix on T61p. When he looked under the laptops they still had the win coa. Aug 31 10:21
*trmanco (n=trmanco@bl7-10-247.dsl.telepac.pt) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 10:22
schestowitz Famelix has been downloaded tens of millions of time, IIRC, but people are not even familiar with it. Aug 31 10:23
mib_g7349c Debian based distro. Has the “Fisher Price” windows-like gui and now it has the “vista-look” desktop.  Even fooled the MS dudes that came to the university to talk about pirated software. Aug 31 10:27
schestowitz There’s piracy in Brazil? Scary stuff.  http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/… Aug 31 10:30
mib_g7349c The Famelix project may be shot down. Another university became the parent and they’re MS based. They receive “donations” from MS. Aug 31 10:41
schestowitz What is the name of this university? Aug 31 10:53
schestowitz Is there any article about it (even in Portuguese)? Aug 31 10:53
mib_g7349c Had to call dad to get the name-Faculdade Metropolitana de Guaramirim.  Haven’t heard of any articles though. But I will ask him if they’re any. Aug 31 10:58
schestowitz Thanks. This needs covering just in case. See http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/28/cnet-only-the-poor/ http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/30/gymnastics-in-logic/ . Like I predicted some months ago (well, it’s obvious), Microsoft will fight Brazil’s move to GNU/Linux in education, but it will do this in ‘sophisticated’ ways (not directly) Aug 31 11:01
mib_g7349c You’re welcome. Well, back to flashing usb-keys with linux for dad. Have a good day. Aug 31 11:06
*tessier__ (n=treed@wsip-70-164-113-3.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 11:15
*tessier_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Aug 31 11:17
*Tallken (i=f2f93bf5@62.169.114.113.rev.optimus.pt) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 11:53
Tallken hello Aug 31 11:54
schestowitz Howdy. Aug 31 11:56
schestowitz I’m making some progress this morning finding out about Microsoft’s frauds. :–) Aug 31 11:56
Tallken eheh Aug 31 12:10
Tallken and i’m looking for that article about vistas-downgraded-to-xp-counting-as-vista-sales article Aug 31 12:10
Tallken can’ find it :( Aug 31 12:31
Tallken *can’t Aug 31 12:31
schestowitz Hold on . Aug 31 12:32
schestowitz See the last one here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07/31/li… Aug 31 12:33
Tallken THANKS :D Aug 31 12:34
trmanco http://www.itwire.com/content/view/20342/1141/ Aug 31 12:40
schestowitz Should say “walls and Gates/gates” Aug 31 12:44
trmanco ;) Aug 31 12:44
Tallken Hum schestowitz I thought you knew this… “Okay, so you seem to be suggesting that if Microsoft buys Novell, then it can change Mono’s licence and close it regardless. ” Anyway it does depend on who the codes belong to and how it works; I mean, for example, I _believe_ (I may be wrong) whoever contributes to Mono has the ownership of their code. As such even if MS bought Novell they’d to buy the ownership of all the portions of Aug 31 12:44
Tallken code which to not belong to Novell. Unless someway they force contributors to give the ownership of the code to Novell Aug 31 12:44
Tallken of their code==the code they contribute with Aug 31 12:45
Tallken s/bought Novell they’d to buy the ownership/bought Novell they’d have to buy the ownership Aug 31 12:45
Tallken it may not be this easy, for example, look at Xfree86, whoever was backing that up decided to change the license of the whole program Aug 31 12:46
Tallken but also notice in http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/ Aug 31 12:46
Tallken (Synpatics is GPL and not included in Xorg per se) Aug 31 12:47
Tallken When will the driver be included in the XOrg distribution? Aug 31 12:47
schestowitz Yes, Tallken, I made a mistake there. Aug 31 12:47
Tallken This is unlikely to happen because of copyright issues. Although the GPL license is compatible with the license used by the XOrg X server, the XOrg project doesn’t want to include GPL code in their source code, because it would effectively make the whole XOrg project GPL. The synaptics license can’t be changed unless all copyright holders agree to change the license, but previous attempts to find all copyright holders for the syna Aug 31 12:47
Tallken ptics source code have failed. Aug 31 12:47
Tallken ok :) Aug 31 12:47
Tallken and also I was unable to understand how could Linus change the kernel’s license Aug 31 12:47
Tallken unless there is some clause about atributing ownership to him Aug 31 12:48
Tallken or he sought permission from every contributor Aug 31 12:48
Tallken he wouldn’t be able to Aug 31 12:48
Tallken AFAIK Aug 31 12:48
schestowitz The trolls in USENET started picking on it yesterday: http://groups.google.com/group/c… Aug 31 12:48
trmanco why doesn’t someone ban them Aug 31 12:50
schestowitz It’s USENET. There is no moderation. Aug 31 12:50
schestowitz It’s libel that you read there by the way. Some of them are Microsoft Munchkins posting from proxies, AFAIK. Aug 31 12:51
trmanco oh ok Aug 31 12:51
trmanco is 7 e good guy are a bad guy? Aug 31 12:51
trmanco “There is some evidence to suggest that Roy Schestowitz is indeed a Aug 31 12:52
trmanco Microsoft astroturfer working as a reverse troll. “ Aug 31 12:52
trmanco what?? Aug 31 12:52
Tallken ROFL Aug 31 12:54
trmanco its like a zoo in there Aug 31 12:55
Tallken schestowitz, how can you be a reverse troll :D shame on you :P Aug 31 12:55
Tallken trmanco, I’ll have to go there and ask for evidence Aug 31 12:55
trmanco well yes Aug 31 12:55
trmanco forgot to mention that Aug 31 12:56
schestowitz 7 is OK. A little crazy though. Aug 31 13:02
schestowitz Going into the zoo, eh? Wait until they leak out your personal details and threaten via your employer. :-) Aug 31 13:03
trmanco :| Aug 31 13:04
*Tallken has quit (“cya laterz”) Aug 31 13:07
*_Doug (i=c17a2f92@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-88b764482cc4be23) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 14:51
_Doug Yoo. ma homies … Aug 31 14:52
_Doug |######################## ################### ######################### ####################| Aug 31 14:58
schestowitz Wazzup? Aug 31 15:00
_Doug Not much .. just chatting with my crazy ‘girlfren’ .. :) Aug 31 15:00
schestowitz I’m working on a long post about Microsoft’s fraud ATM. Aug 31 15:00
_Doug MS fraud, which one ? Aug 31 15:01
schestowitz One which became public knowledge before Microsoft threw some money for the accuser to bugger off and the evidence burned at the stake. Aug 31 15:02
_Doug back later … Aug 31 15:13
*_Doug has quit (“http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client”) Aug 31 15:13
twitter The trolls like to play on licensing confusion but that is irrelevant to the Novell M$ story.  The Novel M$ story is much like the SCO story.  M$ is destroying an old competitor and using it as a weapon against the free software community. Aug 31 15:38
twitter They directly disrupt the free software community via misinformation and malicious code contributions, which also further damage the credibility of their former competitor, Novell. Aug 31 15:39
twitter Besides real code damage, they also gain a larger FUD angle. Aug 31 15:40
twitter All of it is bullshit, of course, because free software is so redundant that M$ can never contaminate it all, even if any of their patents held water.  So far, all of their patent threats have been a reflection troll based on Steve Ballmer’s intentional misinterpretation of a single paper. Aug 31 15:44
twitter The paper, while pointing out the injustice and danger of software patents, actually concluded that M$ and other non free software companies have much more to worry about than free software. Aug 31 15:45
twitter The number of bogus patents the Linux kernel supposedly violates is tiny compared to its size and number of functions performed. Aug 31 15:46
twitter Because the main function of M$’s business with Novell is FUD, it is unlikely M$ will buy Novell.  It will be cheaper for them to continue giving them SCO sized cash infusions, preferably through proxies. Aug 31 15:48
twitter They can do all of the damage that way and eventually get ownership for a song when Novell is bankrupt like SCO. Aug 31 15:49
*kentma (n=user@host86-155-238-226.range86-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 16:48
*dsmith_ (n=dsmith@c-76-114-142-224.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 17:02
*dsmith_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Aug 31 17:39
schestowitz Novell is effective ammo for Microsoft’s arsenal Aug 31 18:10
schestowitz It carries a message (“Do you use Linux? If so, have you bought some ‘intellectual property peace of mind?”), it owns UNIX (think SCO) and it keeps Neelie Kroes away. Aug 31 18:11
schestowitz I got some messages regarding this topic in the morning, but promise to keep them private. It’s about Novell inheriting an SCO-like greed and serving Microsoft needs is similar ways. Aug 31 18:14
schestowitz *s/in/is/ Aug 31 18:14
*kentma1 (n=user@host86-155-238-226.range86-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 18:20
*kentma has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Aug 31 18:30
*kentma1 has quit (“Leaving.”) Aug 31 19:58
*kentma (n=user@host86-155-238-226.range86-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 20:00
*westbake (i=62a568e4@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-14997aa589f49e25) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 20:19
westbake hello, i’m a twitter sockpuppet Aug 31 20:20
*westbake has quit (Client Quit) Aug 31 20:20
schestowitz I’ve just found another Microsoft puppet: CAGW Aug 31 20:23
trmanco where? Aug 31 20:28
schestowitz There’s more to it. http://schestowitz.com/UseNet/2006/Dece… http://www.cagw.org/site/News2?page=News… http://www.accessmylibrary.com/com… Aug 31 20:29
schestowitz This one shows infamous ‘letters from dead people’… CAGW is mentioned…  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen… Aug 31 20:29
trmanco wow Aug 31 20:32
schestowitz I’m trying to put together cases of Microsoft pressure groups. At the end we can present an index with evidence for each, just as we did for OOXML around the world. Aug 31 20:32
schestowitz Google News is helpful here because I can search articles as old as 1980. Aug 31 20:33
trmanco that good Aug 31 20:34
trmanco thats* Aug 31 20:34
kentma the avacado incident is interesting about cagw Aug 31 20:39
schestowitz What is that, kentma? Aug 31 20:39
schestowitz I’m also finding out some other stuff while digging into the past, mainly Novell’s corruption. Aug 31 20:39
kentma linked from the wiki page, Mexican avacado growers paid US$100,000 for cagw to advocate avacado buying in the US government. Aug 31 20:40
schestowitz Some of the trouble predates the Microsoft deal _by just week_! It’s almost like they signed the deal with survival money. Aug 31 20:40
schestowitz It seems like LawMedia. Aug 31 20:40
*kentma has quit (“Leaving.”) Aug 31 20:41
schestowitz It’s just a shills for hire group of people. ACT are the same, but they pretend to represent ‘small’ business (all their clients are titans) Aug 31 20:41
trmanco http://www.techweb.com/wire/st… Aug 31 20:42
trmanco google news is usefull Aug 31 20:42
trmanco useful* Aug 31 20:43
schestowitz Thanks. Aug 31 20:43
schestowitz I think I linked to this the other day Aug 31 20:43
trmanco http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article/arti… Aug 31 20:51
trmanco good old days Aug 31 20:51
trmanco when I was still a little kid using Windows on an IBM PC :| Aug 31 20:51
schestowitz From the same days: http://www.cbronline.com/article_cg.asp?gu… Aug 31 20:51
schestowitz ‘Raymond sees an upside to the Mindcraft debacle. “Microsoft’s underhanded tactics seem (as with its clumsy ‘astroturf’ campaign against the DOJ lawsuit) likely to come back to haunt it,” he writes. “And it’s hard to see how Microsoft will be able to credibly quote anti-Linux benchmarks in the future.”‘ Aug 31 20:51
trmanco what Aug 31 20:54
trmanco oh forget it Aug 31 20:54
schestowitz http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/op… Aug 31 20:56
schestowitz ” When Microsoft and Novell announced their Linux agreement last November, it knocked the open source community for a loop, and some hit back hard. “The Microsoft message here is clear. ‘I can pick and choose among the players and bribe whomever I want,’” says Francois Banchilhon, CEO of Mandriva, a Linux marketer.” Aug 31 20:56
trmanco nice article btw Aug 31 20:56
schestowitz I am accumulating more examples of Novell crimes at the moment. Aug 31 20:56
trmanco cool Aug 31 20:57
trmanco http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnfla… Aug 31 20:57
schestowitz I’m finding many examples of crime /against/ Novell, but that’s not relevant. Also going back to the 90s Aug 31 20:59
schestowitz “A former Novell Inc. software engineer Friday sued the company in U.S. District Court, alleging he was sexually harassed by a female manager and forced to quit after he complained. Jeff V. Merkey, 37, of Lindon, is one of three former employees accused by Novell of stealing technology. Merkey, acting as his own attorney, alleges Novell accused him of misappropriating trade secrets to cover its discrimination against him.” Aug 31 21:02
schestowitz http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search… Aug 31 21:03
*trmanco_ (n=trmanco@bl5-48-251.dsl.telepac.pt) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 21:07
schestowitz A week before the Microsoft deal: http://www.alacrastore.com/storecontent/almnews/613952 ( Novell Board Gets Hit With Third Derivative Suit About Backdating ) Aug 31 21:09
trmanco_ the font kills my eyes Aug 31 21:11
trmanco_ http://www.alacrastore.com/alacra/help/sa… Aug 31 21:12
*trmanco has quit (Nick collision from services.) Aug 31 21:12
*trmanco_ is now known as trmanco Aug 31 21:12
trmanco it is a good file to save btw Aug 31 21:13
schestowitz What is it related to? Aug 31 21:17
trmanco wrong link Aug 31 21:20
trmanco :| Aug 31 21:21
trmanco http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1161335120186 Aug 31 21:21
schestowitz Good one! I had just the pointer: http://www.alacrastore.com/storecontent/… Aug 31 21:26
schestowitz http://www.mail-archive.com/politech@pol… “They receive money from Microsoft.” Aug 31 21:39
schestowitz They also fought OpenDocument: http://www.linux.com/feature/48746 Aug 31 21:43
*dsmith_ (n=dsmith@c-76-114-142-224.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 22:03
*trmanco has quit (“I just hit the close button :)”) Aug 31 22:30
schestowitz Hahaha. http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2008/08/boyc… Aug 31 22:37
schestowitz It’s his second attack on us this month. Aug 31 22:38
*maxstirner (n=maxstirn@xdsl-87-78-64-254.netcologne.de) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 22:56
maxstirner http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/dests.php?flash=… Aug 31 22:56
maxstirner ryanair requires silverlight!! :( Aug 31 22:56
schestowitz Tahnks Aug 31 22:56
*maxstirner has quit (Client Quit) Aug 31 22:56
*ReverseGTR (n=ReverseG@ool-44c46c4b.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #boycottnovell Aug 31 23:17
ReverseGTR so what juicy news on monopolizing and underhanded tactics are in today? Aug 31 23:17
schestowitz Lots Aug 31 23:17
schestowitz It’s in my text editor. Needs lots of luv and work… Aug 31 23:17
ReverseGTR schestowitz: when do these shanigans ever stop? Aug 31 23:18
schestowitz Never. Novell has its shady past and I did some research on two more Microsoft shills (lobbying arm) Aug 31 23:18
schestowitz The latter started when I studies Novell because one of these shills was used to ‘sell’ the Novell deal to US regulators and the public. Microsoft exploits Novell to get the government off its back. Aug 31 23:19
Share this post: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages.
  • Digg
  • del.icio.us
  • Reddit
  • co.mments
  • DZone
  • email
  • Google Bookmarks
  • LinkedIn
  • NewsVine
  • Print
  • Technorati
  • TwitThis
  • Facebook

If you liked this post, consider subscribing to the RSS feed or join us now at the IRC channels.

Pages that cross-reference this one

What Else is New


  1. Links 23/1/2017: Wine Releases, Microsoft Layoffs

    Links for the day



  2. 'Reform' at the EPO Means Destroying the Staff Union, Crushing Patent Examiners, and Imposing on Europe a System It Does Not Want (UPC)

    The chaotic transition at the EPO -- a transition from something which has been workable to something intolerable -- and the role of the Unitary Patent (UPC), which lurks in the shadows and threatens to harm the whole of Europe



  3. Shakeup Against Patent Parasites in the US and More Rumours/Speculations About USPTO Director Michelle Lee After Trump's Inauguration

    The US patent system is becoming ever more hostile towards patent trolls, owing in part to reforms introduced under Michelle Lee's tenure, but people are still not certain that she will maintain her job and continue to fix the system



  4. EPO Abuses Now Make the Netherlands Look Like a Facilitator of Human/Labour Rights Abuses

    Rather than crack down on human rights abuses, the Dutch government now sends out the signal that it's an island for those wish to violate human rights whilst enjoying immunity (EPO)



  5. Links 20/1/2017: Docker 1.13, Linux 4.4.44 LTS

    Links for the day



  6. “Federal Circuit Had Affirmed on Every Issue in 77.4% of the Patent Trial and Appeal Board Appeals it Had Seen” in 2016

    The Federal Circuit (CAFC) and Patent Trial and Appeal Board (PTAB) continue to squash a lot of patents on software, in contrast to that fake news from patent maximalists



  7. Kudelski Group Not Only Acts Like a Patent Troll But Also Run by Intellectual Ventures Person; Mobile Market in Dire State of Patent Armageddon

    The patent thicket which pervades everything that is used by billions of people, mobile technology in particular, can be traced back to a lot of non-practicing parasites (or patent trolls)



  8. Watchtroll and His Swamp Still Blame Google (Where Michelle Lee Came From) for Improving and Gradually Fixing Aspects of the US Patent System

    Shooting the messengers (even wrongly associating yours truly with Google) in an effort to undermine patent reform when it is so desperately needed due to serious injustices



  9. In an Age of Necessary Patent Reform and Permanent Uncertainty for Software Patents the Patent Microcosm Looks for Workarounds and Spin

    Commentary on the status quo in the Michelle Lee era and some examples of bias from the patent microcosm, as well as news regarding the NFL getting sued by the Kudelski Group



  10. Michelle Lee, USPTO Director, Should Recognise That the Patent Microcosm is Her Enemy Which Hates Her

    The latest outburst from the patent microcosm, which has a temper issue and notorious disdain for judges it does not agree with, is more of what we have come to expect



  11. Battistelli is an Autocrat Above the Law and It's OK, Holland's High Council Says

    Battistelli's autocratic tendencies will not be challenged by Dutch authorities, in spite of sheer condemnation from many groups all across Europe and the entire world



  12. Beware Fake News About the Unitary Patent (UPC)

    The UPC is dead, deadlocked, stuck, in a limbo and so on; those who claim otherwise are merely lobbying (in disguise of "analysis" or "news")



  13. Shame on MapR for Pursuing Software Patents While Pretending to Stand for Free/Open Source Software

    The patents gold rush sees another company joining the 'fun', albeit this company should campaign hard against software patents rather than pursue any



  14. Doomsday Scenario in the Back Mirror as Michelle Lee Keeps Her Job (and Much-Needed Patent Reform) at the USPTO

    The future of patent reform, i.e. tackling overpatenting and patent trolls, looks somewhat more promising with today's confirmation of Lee's 'extended tenure' at the Office



  15. Links 19/1/2017: PulseAudio 10.0, Linux 4.9 Longterm Kernel

    Links for the day



  16. Corporate (Wall Street) Media Agrees That Brexit Dooms the Unitary Patent (UPC)

    The nonstop lies or the fake news about the UPC starting "real soon now" don't quite pass a reality check or a basic assessment based on fundamental concepts, such as the UPC's facilitation of subordination (to Europe) in the United Kingdom



  17. Farce of an 'Independence' for the Boards of Appeal as Another Ally of Benoît Battistelli Enters as Parasite Inside the 'Overseer'/Host

    The latest cluster of lies from the President of the European Patent Office (EPO) and direct refutation of false claims of independence for the Boards of Appeal, where the former Vice-Presidents can flock, just like the Mini Minion (Minnoye) of Battistelli



  18. Links 18/1/2017: Red Hat's OpenShift 3.4, Mozilla's New Logo/Branding

    Links for the day



  19. Union-Busting Action by Team Battistelli Takes Heavy Toll, Techrights Will Continue to Expose EPO Injustices to the World

    The Staff Union of the European Patent Office, SUEPO, which faced unprecedented and probably illegal (based on local laws) attacks, is being weakened by the worst President ever, whose own management team seems to be collapsing along with the institution he is destroying in just a few years



  20. A Lot More Fake News About the UPC, Trying to Convince People That the UK is Ratifying (It's Not, It Cannot)

    Response to some of the latest misleading (self-serving) whispers about the fate of the Unified Patent Court (UPC), which is in a deadlock due to Brexit



  21. Rumours Suggest That EPO Management is Aware of Decline in Patent Quality and is Thus Actively Lying About it to the Media/Public

    Whenever Battistelli brags about patent quality he may be consciously and deliberately lying through his teeth if the latest rumours are correct



  22. Links 17/1/2017: GIMP Plans, New Raspberry Pi Product

    Links for the day



  23. Resumption of EPO Propaganda ('Meet the President') Officially Starts Tomorrow

    Yet another one of these foolish 'Meet the President' stunts, scheduled to take place tomorrow morning



  24. Caricature: Battistelli's New Year's Resolution (More EPO Lies)

    The latest cartoon being circulated within the European Patent Office (EPO)



  25. Donald Trump Gives New Hope to Patent Aggressors and Patent Trolls

    Pessimism about the prospects of patent progress or patent reform in an age of staunchly pro-business Conservatives and glorification of protectionism



  26. More Fake News About the Unified Patent Court (UPC) Based on Lobbying Tactics From Bristows UPC and the Preparatory Committee

    Unified Patent Court (UPC) lobbying has gotten so bad that it now infiltrates general media outlets, where people are asked to just blindly assume that the UPC is coming and is inevitable, even though it's clearly in a limbo and is unlikely to see the light of day



  27. EPO Totally Silent for a Month, But Deep Inside There Are Serious Cracks

    The situation at the EPO seems to be pretty grim, even at the top-level management, and the EPO has gone into permanent silence mode



  28. Links 16/1/2017: Linux 4.10 RC4, Linux Mint 18.1 'Serena' KDE Edition Beta

    Links for the day



  29. 'Financial Director' Publishes Fake News About the Unitary Patent (UPC)

    Response to some of the latest UPC propaganda, which strives to misinform Financial Directors so as to enrich the author and his firm



  30. Independent and Untainted Web Sites About Patents Are Still Few and Rare

    Commentary about news sources that we rely on, as well as the known pitfalls or the vested interests deeply ingrained in them


CoPilotCo

RSS 64x64RSS Feed: subscribe to the RSS feed for regular updates

Home iconSite Wiki: You can improve this site by helping the extension of the site's content

Home iconSite Home: Background about the site and some key features in the front page

Chat iconIRC Channel: Come and chat with us in real time

CoPilotCo

Recent Posts