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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 14th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 3:18 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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twitter Silverblight 2.0, now with <i>better</i> DRM, ” y the thing that leapt out at me was the addition of Silverlight DRM, powered by Microsoft’s own PlayReady digital-rights-management software, which offers “robust content protection for connected Silverlight experiences”.” Oct 14 00:14
twitter ha ha ha. Oct 14 00:14
twitter http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,… Oct 14 00:15
twitter Wonder if Lunelight will be able to follow that. Oct 14 00:15
twitter They promise it will work on “Linux” Oct 14 00:17
twitter Thanks but no thanks. Oct 14 00:18
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tessier Windows 7? WTF? Oct 14 04:30
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schestowitz tessier: Windows 7 is ridiculed in the press. It’s similar to Vista, it might not be out until 2010 or 2011 and it’s just intended to ‘freeze the market’ — for now. Oct 14 06:30
tessier So it’s vaporware for now. Oct 14 06:31
tessier There really aren’t any big revolutions in software on the horizon. Oct 14 06:32
schestowitz When I saw this headline I knew who wrote it: Gavin Clarke, ‘friend’ of Microsoft, Ramji Oct 14 06:32
tessier MS is going to have to rely more and more on marketing to push the product. Oct 14 06:32
schestowitz Microsoft’s second Silverlight courts open-source coders – http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/20… Oct 14 06:32
schestowitz He tries to associate this Web Cancer with ‘open source; Oct 14 06:32
schestowitz Another person who does this is Paul Krill. How can they be so naive? Oct 14 06:32
schestowitz Ah oh!!! Oct 14 06:33
schestowitz Everyone step aside. Oct 14 06:33
schestowitz Quiet down. Oct 14 06:33
schestowitz The world’s biggest thief has some pre-dic-shen to make: Oct 14 06:34
schestowitz Gates predicts ‘significant’ US recession – http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/13/… Oct 14 06:34
schestowitz No shirt [sic], Sherlock Oct 14 06:34
schestowitz In other news, Bush predicted a decline in mood among the US population. Oct 14 06:34
schestowitz *LOL* http://wikileaks.org/wiki/VP_contender_Sar… Oct 14 06:36
tessier Bill said it and he has lots of money so he must be smart and it must be right. Oct 14 06:39
schestowitz Yes, did you see me saying this the other day, per chance? Oct 14 06:40
schestowitz I don’t understand why the press quotes him so much on this issue. He’s a lawyer. There are Nobel Laurettes in economics that are more worth talking to, but oh well… they don’t have as much money, so they must not be as smart. The song “if I were a rich man” (and a particular line) comes to mind. Oct 14 06:41
tessier They didn’t find any pics of Palin nekked so it was all a big waste of time. Oct 14 06:41
tessier billg is a lawyer? Oct 14 06:42
tessier Krugman seems to be doing well for himself lately. Oct 14 06:42
schestowitz http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/… Oct 14 06:43
schestowitz “And it won’t make one bit of difference if i answer right or wrong. When you’re rich, they think you really know!” Oct 14 06:44
schestowitz tessier: http://www.hollywood-newsroom.com/gossi… Oct 14 06:45
schestowitz And that’s the SFW ones. Oct 14 06:45
tessier All photoshops. And I’m not at work at 11:51pm. :) Oct 14 06:46
tessier I’d totally post-hole her but I’m not gonna vote for her. She could totally buy my vote with some VPILFy sex though. Oct 14 06:48
schestowitz Wierd headline for Lessig to choose: In Defense of Piracy < http://online.wsj.com/artic… > Oct 14 06:49
schestowitz My cousin in FL is more obsessed with her. Sent me a fake nude pic of her although I didn’t ask for anything. It’s rude when people send this stuff and assume you won’t check this from work or something. Oct 14 06:50
schestowitz Lessig: “How is it that sensible people, people no doubt educated at some of the best universities and law schools in the country, would come to think it a sane use of corporate resources to threaten the mother of a dancing 13-month-old? What is it that allows these lawyers and executives to take a case like this seriously, to believe there’s some important social or corporate reason to deploy the federal scheme of regulation calle Oct 14 06:51
schestowitz d copyright to stop the spread of these images and music? “Let’s Go Crazy” indeed!” Oct 14 06:51
schestowitz I see the “anti-Microsoft” label used again. Not “against crime” but “anti-Microsoft” Oct 14 06:52
schestowitz “The genial but nakedly ambitious Dutchman, who spent nine years at Microsoft, claims to have largely won the crowd of anti-Microsoft protesters over, as well as staff who initially shared their suspicions. The online comments about the BBC’s ambitions may suggest otherwise but many admit that Huggers, much more geek than luvvie, has made progress.” Oct 14 06:52
schestowitz http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/oc… Oct 14 06:52
MinceR j0 Oct 14 07:10
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?lts… “Anyone that develops for silverlight is a traitor to software freedom. “ Oct 14 07:32
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schestowitz *LOL* Oct 14 07:54
schestowitz http://www.openoffice.org/news/index.html  “Apache/2.0.46 (Red Hat) Server at lemonlime.sfo.collab.net Port 80″ Oct 14 07:54
schestowitz It’s not the error which is funny. It’s Sun using GNU/Linux again. Oct 14 07:54
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schestowitz http://www.novell.com/company/blogs/global/?p=17 “No other software company our size is as about interoperability as we are.”   Hey, how about standards, Novell? S-T-A-N-D-A-R-Ds Oct 14 08:27
schestowitz ” It’s not about replacing Windows with Linux, it’s about making it dead simple for the two to work together.” Oct 14 08:28
schestowitz Hey, why compete with Microsoft? They are Novell partners now. The bad guys are UNIX, Red Hat, Ubuntu… Oct 14 08:28
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schestowitz bbl] Oct 14 14:11
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twitter Is there some kind of internet shit storm today? Oct 14 14:26
twitter I’m having a hard time resolving things and then get timeouts. Oct 14 14:28
twitter Even email does not get out.  My stupid ISP blocks outbound email except for their smtp server and it is not working.  Google provides a handy way to get around that but they are not responding either. Oct 14 14:30
twitter I see no responses and don’t know if that’s because they don’t get here or because no one is listening. Oct 14 14:31
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brunomiguel hello :) Oct 14 14:38
twitter :) Oct 14 14:39
twitter So what’s going on out there? Oct 14 14:39
brunomiguel it’s sunny, a light breeze. a really cool day :) Oct 14 14:40
twitter It’s muggy and will be hot here.  I’m not going to be outside much. Oct 14 14:41
twitter Google comes through, so I can see the stock market diving again. Oct 14 14:41
twitter M$ is leading the way, of course. Oct 14 14:42
twitter down 5.5% Oct 14 14:42
twitter Their gains yesterday are the perfect picture of irrational exuberance.  They were already limping.  Does anyone think they are going to do better with all of their big dumb customers failed and failing? Oct 14 14:45
twitter “Bailout” money is not going to be spent on IT. Oct 14 14:46
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_Doug MS publishes ethical guidlines .. Oct 14 15:12
_Doug http://entertainment.slashdot.org/article.pl?… Oct 14 15:12
_Doug Dragons’ Den .. a series solely devoted to the massaging of the massive egos of the panelists ? Oct 14 15:20
_Doug They seems to be more interested in humiliating the contestants than promoting ‘business’ .. Oct 14 15:21
_Doug http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragons‘_Den Oct 14 15:23
_Doug Same with the Donald and ‘Sir’ Alan .. massive egos .. witht little evidence to shopw for it .. :) Oct 14 15:23
_Doug Basically all the skill the ‘clients have to show is the ability to absorbe massive humiliation and perform BOGU .. Oct 14 15:25
_Doug I guess this demonstrates why the second division suits are all so nasty .. Oct 14 15:26
_Doug Would this have made it past the Dragons ? Oct 14 15:28
_Doug http://www.amstrad.com/products/emailers/index.html Oct 14 15:28
_Doug It might be a good idea, with cheap broadband .. Oct 14 15:28
_Doug sweaty, novell SCO McBride … Oct 14 15:36
_Doug Welcome to the Roy Schestowitz fanclub … :) Oct 14 15:39
_Doug “It was only a few short years ago when Microsoft and Sun Microsystems made a similarly stunning” Oct 14 15:42
_Doug http://www.moreinterop.com/download.aspx?fi… Oct 14 15:42
_Doug “It was only a few short years ago when Microsoft and Sun Microsystems made a similarly stunning announcement to what Microsoft and Novell did in November. Unfortunately, other than some work completed on expanding Web services interoperability, most of the technology work under the Microsoft-Sun deal was abstracted far away from products that customers see, and in the end, produced far less measurable value than cus Oct 14 15:44
_Doug “it appears that customers can and will benefit from this relationship, making it a win for everyone except for Novell’s competitors.” Oct 14 15:49
_Doug Doug says: and Microsoft isn’t a Novell competitor ??? Oct 14 15:49
_Doug “Open source is weak Window?” Oct 14 15:53
_Doug http://www.ciol.com/News/News-Reports/Open-sourc… Oct 14 15:53
_Doug gtg .. keep an eye on Roy … :] Oct 14 15:55
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twitter I might read that when I can.  Is anyone else here? Oct 14 16:01
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schestowitz MSFT: -0.71-2.78% Oct 14 16:28
schestowitz NOVL up slightly Oct 14 16:28
schestowitz (i’ve just come back BTW) Oct 14 16:28
schestowitz The Microsoft technical guidelines in Slashdot in not news and it’s the reason /. I no longer read. Just another MS ad in there. Oct 14 16:30
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schestowitz Now the Apple ‘TCO’ idiocy begins: Microsoft exec: Mac users face hidden costs <  http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microso… > Oct 14 17:05
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schestowitz “…whereas Reykjavik stock exchange plummets 76% at the opening!” http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2… Oct 14 17:34
schestowitz Gods and oracles ‘predict’ that spendings will decrease: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/… (I knew that too, but I’m not a so-called ‘analyst’) Oct 14 17:40
MinceR technical guidelines? Oct 14 17:41
MinceR i thought they were “ethical” Oct 14 17:42
schestowitz MinceR: where? More debts ‘emerge’: “Traders in New York, where the firm is listed, liked the plan and sent its stock up 25 per cent yesterday. Virgin Media beancounters still require permission to restructure the £4.3bn of loans from some creditors, but the ten biggest are already on board.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/14/vm_debts/ Oct 14 17:42
schestowitz You know, I was at the shop 2 hours ago. Bread was like $2.50 (cheapest bread). Went to another shop… same thing. Oct 14 17:43
schestowitz Might be a coincidence, might be inflation. The govt. here turns socialist, having tax money fund the banks to cover up for corrupt operatives. That’s just sad. Oct 14 17:44
schestowitz Well, well, well… Oct 14 17:45
schestowitz Look at this. Yesterday it said that it was Ubuntu, but since a former Microsoft executive joined the board last month… “Microsoft is also set to benefit from the deal, as the computers will run Windows Server and its latest Office suite.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/14/ncom… Oct 14 17:46
schestowitz So the Microsoft executive can cause more damage /outside/ the company,  talking on OLPC and turning Linux thin clients to Windows. Oct 14 17:46
twitter I read $170 billion.  You don’t have to have inside information to know that bankrupt mega corps means less M$ IT money.  Vista was a failure before, this will keep people away from Windows 7 too. Oct 14 17:50
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twitter That story from India is sad as is The Register these days. Oct 14 17:56
twitter They have gone from being a company that bites the hand that feeds IT to being a press release republisher. Oct 14 17:56
schestowitz Well, it’s not just IT Oct 14 18:01
schestowitz Bigger money is in energy Oct 14 18:01
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PetoKraus beranger owns fedora in 1st round Oct 14 18:06
twitter fedora is free software, everyone owns it. Oct 14 18:08
PetoKraus :) Oct 14 18:08
PetoKraus brb, new xorg Oct 14 18:08
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trmanco brb Oct 14 18:11
trmanco first time in 2 month I’ve gotta reboot Oct 14 18:11
trmanco months* Oct 14 18:11
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schestowitz I had a rare issue myself an hour ago. Oct 14 18:13
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trmanco hmm Oct 14 18:13
trmanco that was fast Oct 14 18:13
schestowitz Kate f*ed up the session, so I had to killall Kate !! Oct 14 18:13
schestowitz Exceptionally rare that. Oct 14 18:14
trmanco what is kate in the kde world? Oct 14 18:14
schestowitz http://www.schneier.com/blog/archi… “The first paragraph raises a red flag with me: “a set of processes applied to all Microsoft products with significant security or privacy risks.”” Oct 14 18:15
schestowitz It’s an integrated and ‘tabbed’ text editor, part of KDevelop, embedding KWrite in a way although it seems very separate. Oct 14 18:16
PetoKraus gedit Oct 14 18:18
schestowitz UK fiber despite recession? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7667761.stm From the company that eavesdrop on customers without permission and pursues software patents in India. Oct 14 18:18
schestowitz I liked nedit. Oct 14 18:18
PetoKraus ned? Oct 14 18:18
schestowitz Rectangular selections are a feature I miss. Oct 14 18:18
schestowitz joe Oct 14 18:18
schestowitz and kate Oct 14 18:18
schestowitz “So this editor called kate stops into a bar and meets ned…” Oct 14 18:19
schestowitz *steps Oct 14 18:19
PetoKraus that’s glasgow. Oct 14 18:23
schestowitz Well yeah… Kate is cheating in Siixtab Joe Oct 14 18:23
schestowitz Just spotted this one: http://sspaeth.de/index.php?/archives/543… (mind the link to BN at the bottom) Oct 14 18:24
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trmanco http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-g… Oct 14 18:33
schestowitz Thanks. PetoKraus may have missed this one. Oct 14 18:34
schestowitz This: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&200… Oct 14 18:35
PetoKraus schestowitz: i seen that Oct 14 18:35
PetoKraus i am no expert on economy Oct 14 18:35
PetoKraus i don’t think that the bailouts are in line with capitalism, though Oct 14 18:36
schestowitz I like his coverage of economics. Not one of these “everything will be great, just keep spending articles.” He’s realistic, also about s/w and patents/IP. Oct 14 18:36
PetoKraus he’s more than critical on linux. yet, his articles are funny – that’s why i like him Oct 14 18:36
schestowitz PetoKraus: of course they are not, but say so in public and be called a traitor or ‘communist’ or something (just for stating the obvious) Oct 14 18:36
benJIman Not very useful saving at the moment either, with inflation so much higher than interest rates. Oct 14 18:36
PetoKraus schestowitz: communist :D Oct 14 18:37
PetoKraus communists are the ones who are FOR the bailouts… Oct 14 18:37
schestowitz They show failure to REGULATE, not a failure of capitalism. it’s out of control capitalism, or extreme capitalism as RMS calls it. Oct 14 18:37
schestowitz benJIman: I agree. Oct 14 18:37
PetoKraus well, that’s what the right wing wants, isn’t it. Oct 14 18:37
schestowitz PetoKraus: the wealthy ones fund their campaign. Oct 14 18:38
schestowitz Leftists also. Oct 14 18:38
PetoKraus i mean, what are the bailouts for? Alright, UK will have majority in RBOS, LLoyds and HBOS Oct 14 18:38
PetoKraus but what’s the benefit? people being able to get more stupid mortgages? Oct 14 18:38
PetoKraus people, who signed for something, they can’t pay for, being actually paid by the state instead? Oct 14 18:39
schestowitz That’s what I thought about earlier at the gym and talked about. They’ll say anything to ‘sell’ it. Oct 14 18:39
PetoKraus i just don’t see how putting money in a blackhole will help Oct 14 18:39
schestowitz In principle, they should rescue the money and throw these failing institutes to the dogs. /That’s free market and competition. The corrupt dies out. Oct 14 18:40
schestowitz But the mistake was to have this dependency of the economy on potentially failing banks in the first place. Oct 14 18:41
PetoKraus well, everyone knows that now Oct 14 18:41
PetoKraus i just wanna do why should we do what are we doing right now Oct 14 18:41
schestowitz Well, I guess that makes LLoyds the bank of ‘the people’ Oct 14 18:41
schestowitz The Red Bank. Oct 14 18:41
benJIman RBOS has all my money. Oct 14 18:42
PetoKraus come on, do you wanna see a letter i sent to lloyds? Oct 14 18:42
benJIman Govt guarantees up to £50,000 personal savings though anyway. Oct 14 18:42
schestowitz benJIman: thanks, didn’t know how it was spilt. Oct 14 18:42
PetoKraus :D Oct 14 18:42
schestowitz Govt guarantees = taxpayer guarantees Oct 14 18:42
benJIman Except for the money Novell pays me to idle in this channel, that goes elsewhere. Oct 14 18:43
benJIman Obviously. Oct 14 18:43
benJIman Though the government also borrows money from the banks /o\ Oct 14 18:43
PetoKraus touche Oct 14 18:43
schestowitz Meeks mailed me a couple of times today. Oct 14 18:43
schestowitz Did you tell him something? Oct 14 18:43
schestowitz The debt in the UK is only GBP 60 billion I hear… Oct 14 18:44
benJIman schestowitz: He blogged about your post yesterday. It was discussed all over the intarwebs. Oct 14 18:44
schestowitz That’s about GBP 1000 per capita Oct 14 18:44
schestowitz US: $30,000 debt per capita. Oct 14 18:44
benJIman Does that include mortgage debt? Oct 14 18:44
schestowitz I don’t know, I’m afraid. Oct 14 18:44
schestowitz (without the comma) Oct 14 18:45
schestowitz Linux is the Klein Bottle of Economics : http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=li… Oct 14 18:47
PetoKraus http://www.npr.org/templates/story/st… Oct 14 18:48
PetoKraus nice interview Oct 14 18:48
schestowitz I think that RickJ  here is MSJeliffe: http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/ope… Oct 14 18:49
schestowitz “Well, I think you have a Goldman Sachs chief of staff to the president and the Goldman Sachs secretary of the Treasury. And they convinced the president that the American people ought to send $700 billion to Wall Street, which I think is a very, very bad idea, and I would argue is a very un-Republican idea. I don’t understand what they think they’re doing.” Oct 14 18:50
schestowitz I haven’t read it fully, but it sounds like the corrupt caused a meltdown and are not corrupting the govt. to receive some more funds and let the milking of the ecnomy go on. Oct 14 18:50
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schestowitz They’ll want to have you convinced that buying stocks regardless of their value is a patriotic duty because that enables inside-traders to milk those who don’t know better… like they do with the lottery… it’s another form of ‘tax’. I wonder what RMS wrote about all of this. I subscribed to his feed only yesterday. Oct 14 18:53
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PetoKraus he’s got a feeD? where? Oct 14 18:54
trmanco hey cool Oct 14 18:54
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trmanco I ssh’ed mu router Oct 14 18:54
jose schestowitz, can you quote a little context for your recent comment about buying stocks to help insiders? Oct 14 18:54
jose just logged on Oct 14 18:54
schestowitz http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.ph… Oct 14 18:54
schestowitz Also http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&… Oct 14 18:54
jose http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2008101402135OSLLDV Oct 14 18:55
schestowitz RMS feed (political mainly, but also FS): http://stallman.org/rss/rss.xml Oct 14 18:55
jose this piece criticizes the dual-licensing approach. it mentions mysql and oo.o in a negative light (ie, a potential sun attack) Oct 14 18:55
trmanco Linux version 2.4.17_mvl21-malta-mips_fp_le (jenny@FD5) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release/MontaVista)) #1 Tue Jun 26 15:49:55 CST 2007 Oct 14 18:56
schestowitz jose: related to this there’s this one < http://sspaeth.de/index.php?/archives/543-Open-So… > where BN is cited. Oct 14 18:56
schestowitz MontaVista at 2.4? Oct 14 18:57
schestowitz “A little related anecdote told to me by an MySQL employee (who’s name shall remain untold). He described how they still haven’t implemented a feature in MySQL that many people have requested, since they according to him don’t want to cram in more stuff in the existing branch but instead are releasing it in the next major release (due to release in 4-6 months or similar).” Oct 14 18:58
jose i have no problem if the maintainer of a project gets some advantages.. it’s a carrot. If i don’t like it.. fork Oct 14 18:59
schestowitz I spoke to Phipps and Mickos at the time and it sounds possible, but Sun are still afraid of the backlash. I never liked the MySQL acquisition. It’s an anti–Linux move and they want RoI (money from MySQL… big money). Oct 14 18:59
jose we can’t avoid that with current us copyright laws Oct 14 18:59
schestowitz MySQL is also a way to sell Solaris and other products. Oct 14 19:00
jose meanwhile, with BSD, there are less incentives to listen to the community and powerful companies can exploit the projects completely Oct 14 19:00
schestowitz Speaking of copyrights: Google to appeal German copyright decisions < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-1006474… > Oct 14 19:00
schestowitz Green tech will save the economy?!?! Is he on drugs? “Arnold Schwarzenegger delivered a surprise speech at the Solar Power International conference here Monday night, saying that a sustained commitment to clean technologies can aid the country’s economic recovery.” http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10065300-… Oct 14 19:02
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jose the sspaeth.de link takes me to an index page.. where is the actual story? Oct 14 19:07
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tessier_ Nuclear power is a clean technology which we need to make a lot more use of. Oct 14 19:15
PetoKraus it’s not exactly clean Oct 14 19:15
PetoKraus but if you do it well, it’s mostly harmless Oct 14 19:16
schestowitz jose: maybe it’s your IRC client? It works fine. Oct 14 19:16
jose ok, i copy/pasted but left out the “l” in “html” thanks Oct 14 19:17
schestowitz Nuclear energy is fine is you steer away from this guy: http://getsustainable.net/blogfile… Oct 14 19:18
jose nuclear energy has some problems. It’s fine until it isn’t. I think the byproducts might be pretty bad as well. Research is important though if we hope to improve things. Oct 14 19:20
jose maybe we’ll eventually be able to use the moon to recycle/reprocess garbage and toxics from here Oct 14 19:21
jose roy, I have always felt uneasy about the 451 group. Oct 14 19:23
jose Some of what they say is ok, but enough is marginal Oct 14 19:23
jose i’m not accusing anyone. I just don’t agree with what they say except maybe 75% (74.2% actually) Oct 14 19:25
jose or 84.2%. I always forget. Oct 14 19:25
schestowitz jose, why did you feel unease? I a =m genuinely curious. Oct 14 19:25
jose i’d have to look at a specific piece Oct 14 19:25
jose to point out Oct 14 19:25
schestowitz I can think of a few. Oct 14 19:25
schestowitz I went to see if this intersects. Oct 14 19:26
schestowitz Brian met them and then started linking to them like mad in Linux Today Oct 14 19:26
jose oh Oct 14 19:26
schestowitz When I criticise one of their ‘attacks’ (well, criticisms) of FOSS he defended them in the comments, which is rare for Brian Proffitt. Oct 14 19:26
jose their links have dropped off a bit recently i suppose Oct 14 19:27
schestowitz I trust Matt Asslett though. He was a FOSS journalist, but I doubt he uses Linux. Oct 14 19:27
schestowitz The problem with some of the FOSS blogs and journa-anallysts is that they don’t do as they preach or use what they analyse. Oct 14 19:27
schestowitz I had an argument with 451 Group over their Webcast, which was only available for Mac and WIndows users. Oct 14 19:28
jose in terms of coinciding with my views, I mostly would agree with the rankings you put up on bn.. at least as i glance over it and try to remember examples.. i don’t pay that much attention to the authors unless they repeat over and over.. not to mention there are quite a few matts Oct 14 19:28
schestowitz They E-mailed me the slides although I didn’t really ask for it, but it still left a bad taste in the mouth. I like SJVN because he does as he preaches, so when he cirticised Linux, I listen. Oct 14 19:28
schestowitz A contrary example would be Dana Blankenhorn, FOSS blogger for ages but not a user of FOSS  (also a Windows users). But that’s ZeeDeeNet for you… Ziff/Gates site. Oct 14 19:29
schestowitz Matt Hartley, Matt Asslett, Matt Asay, Mett Mullenweg… Oct 14 19:30
jose i don’t expect everyone to share my views. you can usually learn something. it does get annoying though when there is a constant push in certain directions in a way that appears to be in disguise Oct 14 19:30
schestowitz Aslett (sorry) Oct 14 19:30
schestowitz I keep track of disclosures where I can. Oct 14 19:31
schestowitz jose, did you see the Redmonk incident? Oct 14 19:31
jose ? Oct 14 19:31
schestowitz It was in all sorts of place some days ago, unexpected. Here’s the main thing: http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/… Oct 14 19:32
schestowitz Later on in IRC I found out some more stuff about them hiring a guy who worked with Microsoft and got a free Vista laptop (some months after  the “bribing bloggers”(TM) fiasco) Oct 14 19:33
schestowitz The open source feeds are filled with the poison called Silverlight Oct 14 19:35
schestowitz Microsoft did a publicity stunt abusing the term “open source” Oct 14 19:35
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jose just read over your blog entry on redmonk and it hardly said anything offensive towards them. Oct 14 19:38
jose however, maybe someone will accept the challenge of trying to look over their coverage over time. Oct 14 19:38
jose some analysts/authors/etc simply share views with and respect towards Microsoft Oct 14 19:39
jose they might eventually get paid as recognition or to set the example that microsoft values that Oct 14 19:39
schestowitz Well.. Oct 14 19:39
schestowitz . Oct 14 19:39
schestowitz See Stephens blog (main page) Oct 14 19:39
jose ? Oct 14 19:40
schestowitz “Expects more Microsoft” rhetorics… then there’s Cote mentioning this too… let me recheck where he worked because I think it’s BMC, but I can’t recall for sure. Oct 14 19:40
schestowitz “Before joining RedMonk, Coté worked at BMC developing the BMC Performance Oct 14 19:41
schestowitz Manager family of enterprise systems management products” Oct 14 19:41
schestowitz From http://www.redmonk.com/cote/about/ . So I remembered right. He comes from a proprietary software company, just like Mozilla’s CEO. But it’s the stuff he wrote that bother me. O’Grady is actually very good and knowledgeable when it comes to FOSS/GNU/Linux. Oct 14 19:42
schestowitz Novell to Acquire Managed Objects : http://www.novell.com/news/press… Oct 14 19:43
schestowitz Small company: http://www.managedobjects.com/company/ourteam.jsp Oct 14 19:44
schestowitz Haha. Oct 14 19:50
schestowitz “Aaron Fulkerson, founding CEO of the fast-growing open source enterprise wiki provider Mindtouch, says that the 451 report is right on the money.” So 451 Group now gets a nod from (former) Microsoft employees Oct 14 19:50
schestowitz From http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/rep… Oct 14 19:51
schestowitz 451 is probably innocent. But here is group of known shills that do company-funded ‘studies’ and then offer ‘medals. More BS: Frost & Sullivan Recognises Aastra Technologies’ Exceptional Growth Strategy Leadership < http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/frost–sulliva… > Oct 14 19:55
schestowitz Next comes the contract ($$) with  Aastra (or maybe  Aastra  already /bought/ a ‘study’ from F&S) Oct 14 19:56
schestowitz Microsoft is muchly involved with F&S, especially in anti-FOSS ‘studies’; then, F&S crowns Microsoft “best of <put something here>” Oct 14 19:57
schestowitz Another summary about 451 Group study ($4000 to read): http://ostatic.com/173727-blog/… Oct 14 20:00
schestowitz Miguel already storms this post to defend himself: http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com… Oct 14 20:10
schestowitz The author totally misses the point about making Microsoft the ‘standard’ though. Oct 14 20:11
trmanco http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,… Oct 14 20:16
schestowitz Thanks, it’s already here: < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/13/links-1… > Oct 14 20:20
trmanco wow Oct 14 20:21
trmanco you’re fast Oct 14 20:21
schestowitz http://beginlinux.wordpress.com/2008/10/14… Oct 14 20:21
trmanco and I thought I was giving something new to you :P Oct 14 20:21
jose miguel dI: But Microsoft in 2008 is a very different Microsoft than the Microsoft that freaked out over the “Linux will destroy Windows” press of the early 2000’s that sent management into panic mode. Oct 14 20:23
jose The new Microsoft not only has evolved, but the developers, managers and leaders are now integrating into the larger ecosystem instead of fighting it. Oct 14 20:23
schestowitz Also this < http://hehe2.net/advocacy/how-linux-… > Oct 14 20:24
schestowitz Good advocacy? :-( http://www.quicktweaks.com/2008/10/12/sw… Oct 14 20:28
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trmanco http://www.webmastersbydesign.com/2008/10/08/w… Oct 14 20:43
trmanco lool Oct 14 20:45
trmanco http://trombonechamp.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/r… Oct 14 20:45
schestowitz Ive just looked at Ballmer’s Wikipedia page Oct 14 20:46
schestowitz To repeat what I’ve just angrily wrote in USENET:  “– Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz ~~ Best of wishes Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz Roy S. Schestowitz | Wintendo O/S: which virus do fancy today? Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz http://Schestowitz.com | Open Prospects | PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz Tasks: 168 total, 1 running, 162 sleeping, 0 stopped, 5 zombie Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz http://iuron.com – knowledge engine, not a search engine Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz   End of signed message Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz Oct 14 20:47
trmanco and Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz Oops. Oct 14 20:47
trmanco lol Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz “I’ve just gone to Wikipedia for a reference, but the Microsoft Munchkins (some Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz of them paid) have ‘brushed up’ his profile. Anyway, Ballmer did go to the Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz doctor for a surgery after ripping his vocal chord… as a result of screaming Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz like an ape. Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz Microsoft is still subverting Wikipedia, turning it to more of the Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz Wintel ‘press’. And I thought there were still some sites out there which Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz offers truthful coverage and not corporate fluff…” Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz The vocal chord incident is no longer in Wikipedia anyway. Bill Gates’ article aligns with all the ‘philanthropy’ fluff intended to conceal a liftime of corporate crime, including that arrest that they took off Wikipedia (the shill ‘editors’ like hAl) Oct 14 20:49
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jose just posted a reply to miguel’s post Oct 14 20:56
schestowitz Good Oct 14 20:56
trmanco what post? Oct 14 20:57
ld50 http://beginlinux.wordpress.com/200… Oct 14 20:57
trmanco wow Oct 14 21:00
trmanco a bunch a M% vulns Oct 14 21:00
schestowitz Brilliant comment. Oct 14 21:00
schestowitz I was gonna post something about pseudo-open-source-something-likey Silverlight 2.0 later (maybe tomorrow) Oct 14 21:00
schestowitz It’s disturbing how much they deceive to make this Web POISON look like some cuddly and benign.. even the name… Silver… light Oct 14 21:01
trmanco http://secunia.com/Advisories/32247/ Oct 14 21:02
trmanco http://secunia.com/Advisories/32248/ Oct 14 21:02
trmanco http://secunia.com/Advisories/32242/ Oct 14 21:02
trmanco http://secunia.com/Advisories/32249/ Oct 14 21:02
trmanco http://secunia.com/Advisories/32251/ Oct 14 21:02
trmanco http://secunia.com/Advisories/32260/ Oct 14 21:02
trmanco http://secunia.com/Advisories/32261/ Oct 14 21:02
trmanco http://secunia.com/Advisories/32233/ Oct 14 21:02
trmanco http://secunia.com/Advisories/32211/ Oct 14 21:02
trmanco http://secunia.com/Advisories/32138/ Oct 14 21:02
schestowitz There was a time when people didn’t know what the big deal was with OOXML. One day people will understand Silverlight, Moonlight. Mono. etc. and then apologise to those whom they vilified for criticism. Oct 14 21:02
schestowitz trmanco: it’s patch Tuesday. From memory, 4 are “Critical”, 11 in total. Oct 14 21:03
trmanco wow Oct 14 21:03
trmanco Oct 14 21:03
schestowitz No, just normal. Oct 14 21:03
trmanco Firefox 3.1 released + reviewed Oct 14 21:03
trmanco http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Mozilla… Oct 14 21:03
schestowitz Business as usual. They sometimes have more critical ones (=your PC can be hijacked remotely) Oct 14 21:03
schestowitz Yes, seen it. Oct 14 21:04
trmanco http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/co… Oct 14 21:08
trmanco have you seen this? Oct 14 21:08
trmanco http://translate.google.com/translat… Oct 14 21:08
schestowitz Is there anything there to show he’s paid by Microsoft through some agency/ Oct 14 21:11
schestowitz ? Oct 14 21:11
trmanco no Oct 14 21:11
trmanco well wait Oct 14 21:11
schestowitz I have a nice accumulation of busted Microsoft shills Oct 14 21:12
schestowitz Having more example would help in case of a class action lawsuit against the Beast. Oct 14 21:12
trmanco I don’t see any proof Oct 14 21:14
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schestowitz MSFT down 5.5% now (so far today) Oct 14 21:30
schestowitz NOVL is down also (2%). The ‘recovery’ of the market was short-lived (1 day) Oct 14 21:30
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ld50 http://br-linux.org/english/linux-voting-machines/ Oct 14 22:04
ld50 nice Oct 14 22:04
schestowitz 500,000 of them? Oct 14 22:07
schestowitz 450,000? Oct 14 22:07
schestowitz The numbers seem to vary. This one says 400,000 and I think the Debian site said 425,000 Oct 14 22:08
schestowitz http://techforce.com.br/index.php/news/linux_… “430 thousand electronic voting machines” Oct 14 22:11
zoobab evoting leads to civil war Oct 14 22:11
schestowitz Windows makes zombie wars. Oct 14 22:12
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