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10.25.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 24th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:22 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_… Oct 24 00:01
twitter People in California live in their cars and aging mobile homes that they can drive around as they are run off. Oct 24 00:02
schestowitz This one is sorted better (Relevance): http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_query… Oct 24 00:02
schestowitz This can’t be true. It’s not the American® Dream® you are taught (brainwash) about. Oct 24 00:03
twitter Each one of those families represents a  bank loss of $150,000.  It’s way more in California. Oct 24 00:16
twitter The people suffer and it’s next to impossible to climb out of. Oct 24 00:16
schestowitz How many people in CA…/ Oct 24 00:16
schestowitz ? Oct 24 00:16
schestowitz 30 million? Oct 24 00:17
twitter don’t know. Oct 24 00:17
schestowitz The debt there is $3 trillion, IIRC. No? We should ask Mcbain. Oct 24 00:17
twitter Louisiana has more protective laws than other states. Oct 24 00:18
schestowitz Credit-wise? Oct 24 00:18
twitter Housing wise.  It’s harder to kick people out on the street. Oct 24 00:18
twitter The City of New Orleans is the largest land owner in the City. Oct 24 00:18
schestowitz Any banks yet? Oct 24 00:19
twitter People who want to get rid of property quit paying city taxes and let the city take possession. Oct 24 00:19
twitter any banks what? Oct 24 00:19
twitter It is easier for them to do that than it is for them to evict non paying tenants. Oct 24 00:20
schestowitz Banks owned by the Administration. Oct 24 00:20
schestowitz BTW: http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/K… (sensationalist?) Oct 24 00:20
twitter Oh, I don’t know.  The local and regional banks were all bought out over the last ten years. Oct 24 00:21
schestowitz By whom? Oct 24 00:22
schestowitz Bigger banks or govt? Oct 24 00:22
twitter Bigger banks. Oct 24 00:22
schestowitz Oligarchy. Oct 24 00:22
twitter Yep, the product of 30 years worth of deregulation. Oct 24 00:23
twitter Now they are making mergers they could have only dreamed about earlier. Oct 24 00:23
schestowitz It’s Standard Oil all over again. Oct 24 00:23
schestowitz twitter: well, it’s a flea market now. Oct 24 00:23
schestowitz Same with techn companies. Oct 24 00:24
twitter Hopefully, the next president will reinstate fixed rate lending and hose their little dreams back into the sewer. Oct 24 00:24
schestowitz Jose wrote about it here the other day. Those with reserve devour real innovators that die out and sell out. It’s more harmful than anything. Oct 24 00:24
twitter Kernel article is informative if slightly negative. Oct 24 00:25
schestowitz Heh. “By Jared Heng, MIS Asia” < http://www.computerworlduk.com/technolog… > Oct 24 00:25
schestowitz Jared, Miss Asia. Oct 24 00:25
twitter I’m not sure how having more drivers than ever before is bad, especially when the buggy ones are clearly labeled. Oct 24 00:26
twitter That looks like growth to me. Oct 24 00:27
schestowitz http://gentoo-wiki.com/ < Gentoo-Wiki, Gentoo-Portage Down > Oct 24 00:27
schestowitz They could make two kernels. Oct 24 00:27
schestowitz Like Debian stable and unstable Oct 24 00:27
twitter That’s what they have done with the label.  The inclusion of binary blobs is bad for freedom but they too are labeled. Oct 24 00:28
twitter Binary blobs were also a security and stability threat Oct 24 00:28
schestowitz It would also be nice of the gNewSense guys gave their cullout patches to the Linux team Oct 24 00:28
schestowitz There can be mm-tree, linux-stable, linux and linux-pure, or something  along those lines. Oct 24 00:29
twitter It’s free software, everyone has it already, right? Oct 24 00:29
schestowitz This means that you could take almost any distro and add to it the Free kernel. Oct 24 00:29
twitter It can be easier than that.  Just make instructions to not load Taint modules.  I think this is what Debian does by default but I don’t know. Oct 24 00:30
schestowitz twitter: yes, everyone has access to it, but making thing pluggable (with hooks or compile vars/params) would be nice. Oct 24 00:30
twitter It’s never been an issue for me.  As a user, it’s good I’ve never had to worry. Oct 24 00:30
schestowitz Sybmian pisses me off. They should just learn what open source is before pretending to have joined it, then lobbying for swpats in the UK… Symbian seeks to attract developers with open-source code < http://www.linuxworld.com/news/20… >. Are the patents open source too, Nokia? Oct 24 00:32
PetoKraus hehe the gentoo-wiki backlog is nice Oct 24 00:34
schestowitz [OT] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serdar_Argic … trolls. Oct 24 00:35
schestowitz Daniel makes Funtoo Oct 24 00:36
schestowitz Can’t be trusted though after joining the Dark Forces. Oct 24 00:36
schestowitz http://www.linux-foundation.org/weblogs/jzemlin… “I am constantly amazed by how rare it is to work with any consumer electronics (CE) device that does *not* run on Linux. Other then two big markets — laptops and mobile phones, nearly every new consumer electronics device runs Linux. Sony televisions, Amazon Kindle, Dash automotive GPS, and near Oct 24 00:44
schestowitz ly every other device you can imagine.” Oct 24 00:44
schestowitz “Yes, vendors are vital to open source,” says someone who is paid by Novell (oops!). < http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/?p=122 > Oct 24 00:49
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schestowitz The trolls have a new trick: associate a person with another and use actions of another to discredit the messenger. Oct 24 08:03
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schestowitz This is amazing. http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n… “She said she had not plotted any revenge in the real world, but if she is convicted could face a prison term of up to five years or a fine up to $5,000.” The world has gone MAD. Oct 24 09:41
schestowitz [PJ: So, are computer laws stupid enough for you *yet*??!] - Oct 24 09:45
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/24/woman_… “A 43-year-old Japanese woman has been jailed for “killing” her virtual husband to revenge an unexpected in-game divorce….She was arrested Wednesday on suspicion of illegally accessing a computer and manipulating electronic data. Police claim she used the man’s identification and password in order to delete his beloved character….” Oct 24 09:45
schestowitz http://technocrat.net/d/2008/10/23/52623 : “Scientists find way to erase memory in mice… The lead neurobiologist “questioned the wisdom of wiping out a person’s memory”, but the article doesn’t go on to elaborate on why he’s pursuing this research.” Oct 24 09:52
schestowitz Damage control… Intel Repudiates Executives’ Criticism of the IPhone < http://www.pcworld.com/article/152748/.html?tk=rss_news > Oct 24 09:56
schestowitz Xerox to cut 3,000 jobs : http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10074198-9… Oct 24 10:08
schestowitz Buyer sued for eBay feedback: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10074157… Oct 24 10:12
schestowitz Linux harms Microsoft: “Microsoft sales tumble from quarterly high [...] Netbooks running Windows mean growth but relatively low income as they do not run money spinning versions of Windows, like Windows Vista Premium Edition. Microsoft said it was too early to say how much netbooks are cannibalizing traditional sales.” [..] http://www.theregister.co.uk/… Oct 24 10:17
schestowitz Microsoft 2.0 feels data center pinch < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/… > Oct 24 10:18
schestowitz Goldman Sachs to sack 10 per cent of workforce : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/23/… Oct 24 10:20
schestowitz Tough times for Sun…  Sun loses co-founder to start-up < http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/1… > Oct 24 10:28
schestowitz http://www.linuxworld.com.au/ind… ( Amazon opens up beta of Windows Server, SQL Server on EC2 ): Their appointment of departing Microsoft executives might have something to do with this, at least partially. it’s like NComputing and Will Poole. Oct 24 10:59
schestowitz Wow. This is a patent? “[...] “Method and Apparatus for Enhanced Internet Telephony.” The invention, which was filed for patent in 2003, makes it less likely for customers to encounter dropped calls, incomplete attempted calls or other communication problems resulting from typical router function and behavior.” (MarketWatch) Oct 24 11:51
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twitter :) saw that Register article.  My thought was, Windows and M$ harm M$. Oct 24 13:46
trmanco http://wiki.fsfe.org/Windows-Tax_Refund Oct 24 13:46
schestowitz “Windows-Tax_Refund (last edited 2008-10-24 09:45:06 by mk)” Oct 24 13:48
twitter Amazon is getting more tied up with M$?  Didn’t they already fuck up their search or was that Ebay? Oct 24 13:48
schestowitz Amazon.. well, no, not really. Oct 24 13:48
schestowitz They just happen to have hired Brian Valentine (Slimy one) and another senior some weeks ago, one whose name I can’t recall without checking. Oct 24 13:49
schestowitz And it’s run by the patent Bozo, so they must have some things in common with SwaetyB’s and Co. Oct 24 13:49
twitter That form of guilt by association is an old troll trick.  It’s libel for everyone which then feeds off itself, just ask RMS. Oct 24 13:50
twitter I remember my wife complaining when one of the two gave M$ their search.  Suddenly small vendors with good deals became hard to find and the place looked like any other mall. Oct 24 13:52
twitter The discredit trick throws mud at everyone on the receiving end.  They used to say I sounded like RMS, who they loved to libel.  Recently they’ve been mentioning you. Oct 24 13:55
twitter When they do this to idiots, the idiots repudiate their friends and allies. Oct 24 13:55
twitter The financial news is terrible all around.  From AIG bailout money exhaustion and abuse to predictions of a “Bloodbath” based on Asian market crap outs and futures declining as much as allowed. Oct 24 13:58
twitter Stocks opened down 6% Oct 24 13:59
twitter My trolls have all gone AC, maybe they have suffered some budget cuts. Oct 24 14:00
twitter They still hit everything I write but the quality has gone down.  http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/215315 Oct 24 14:01
twitter I’m sure SweatyB is pissed to see twitter stories on Slashdot’s front page. Oct 24 14:01
twitter “You trolls are all fired!  Don’t let this chair hit you on your way out.” Oct 24 14:12
schestowitz twitter: they use you to discredit what I wriite. Oct 24 14:17
schestowitz I still insist that you drop multiple account, not just because the trolls say so. Oct 24 14:17
twitter They use BN to discredit what I write.  Should I insist that you get a life, or should I realize the trolls are full of shit? Oct 24 14:18
schestowitz twitter: there will be trolling in  Linux.com later today (the comments). Bruce does an article on BN. Oct 24 14:18
schestowitz SweatyB/Microsoft do not hire trolls. Oct 24 14:19
schestowitz They hire marketing agencies. Oct 24 14:19
schestowitz The marketing agencies hire ‘marketers’ and fake-grassroots (AstroTurf) Oct 24 14:19
twitter Marketing agencies are trolls. Oct 24 14:20
schestowitz Victim of libel to Microsoft: “damn, you’re attacking me.” Oct 24 14:20
schestowitz Microsoft: “What?!?! Us?” Oct 24 14:20
schestowitz Victim: “yes, Microsoft nyms slander my family.” Oct 24 14:20
schestowitz Microsoft: “Not us. We don’t do anything like this, but we have companies to do the ‘marketing’ for us.” Oct 24 14:20
schestowitz LawMedia, Waggener-Edstrum, etc. Oct 24 14:21
twitter Like Perens said, executives at these companies know what’s going on. Oct 24 14:21
schestowitz Edelman too… they are real scum… almost boycotted by PCWorld (IDG) for their practices, IIRC. Oct 24 14:21
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twitter Look what GM tried to do to Ralph Nader.  You would think they’d learn their lesson but the rich and powerful think they can broadcast their way out of trouble. Oct 24 14:25
schestowitz I am not familiar with the story. Oct 24 14:29
twitter The “over zealously” investigated him when he wrote his now famous book.  Followed him around, tried to set him up with whores, anything to get dirt on him. Oct 24 14:32
twitter he got lucky when one of the goons mistook a reporter for Nader.  The incident gave Nader credibility and the reporter a scoop. Oct 24 14:33
schestowitz Bait trolls. Oct 24 14:34
schestowitz That’s another type Oct 24 14:34
twitter GM was forced to apologize before Congress. Nader sued them for a couple hundred thousand dollars that seeded his later regulatory crusades. Oct 24 14:35
twitter GM broadcasted their way out of it and did business as usual.  Most people ended up thinking or Ralph Nader as a sleazebag lawyer rather than someone who forced some minimal safety onto US automakers. Oct 24 14:36
schestowitz Well, it gave him presence though. Oct 24 14:38
schestowitz It repellent how you’re left with just two bad choices (Red and Blue) Oct 24 14:38
schestowitz Those who raise the money are those with media presence. Oct 24 14:38
schestowitz Translation: those who take the bribe have a chance to win (and return favours for these bribes) Oct 24 14:39
schestowitz This is NOT a democracy. It’s a CORRUPTION. :-) :-) Oct 24 14:39
twitter These things are changing thanks to the internet.  Open Spectrum will bring great changes. Oct 24 14:39
twitter bbl Oct 24 14:41
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trmanco http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/810rc Oct 24 15:03
trmanco http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/re… Oct 24 15:05
schestowitz They’ll hopefully advertise a little. Oct 24 15:06
trmanco http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/OfficialGoogleDocsBl… Oct 24 15:16
trmanco Google Docs now supports footnotes Oct 24 15:16
trmanco they probably did this because of Steve’s provocation… Oct 24 15:17
schestowitz Microsoft thinks that everyone uses Office professionally (e.g. to write extensive reports). To 80% of the people, only 20% of the features are necessary, i.e. it’s an overpriced and bloated overkill. Oct 24 15:19
trmanco overpriced and bloated, indeed Oct 24 15:21
schestowitz Buy Office 2007 (and 2 GB of RAM) now… to write one-page letter to your neighbour… this applies to the vast majority of the population. They start to realise they don’t require all this. Oct 24 15:23
trmanco lol Oct 24 15:24
twitter Most people don’t want or need more than email editors.  M$ sells to their insecurity the same way automakers push SUVs Oct 24 15:24
trmanco that will be 300€+60€ + Tax please Oct 24 15:24
twitter SUVs are less harmful to their owners and the world. Oct 24 15:25
twitter As it was with automobiles, smaller better working competition is going to eat the bloated software’s market. Oct 24 15:27
twitter There are lots of good quality word processors.  Professional typesetters should gravitate towards LaTex and friends.  The rest of the world should use ODF editors like Open Office and Kword, or just plain old html. Oct 24 15:29
twitter I think it was Cory Doctorow who pointed out that we are all on one great big curve that goes from 100% paper, 0% electronic to 0% paper 100% electronic.  We might be at different points, but there’s no mistaking the direction we are all moving. Oct 24 15:31
twitter That makes printers less relevant and eliminates what’s left of one of M$’s oldest hardware monopolies. Oct 24 15:32
schestowitz Yes, but that’s also a word of warning about OOXML, XPS and XAML Oct 24 15:33
schestowitz Microsoft wants to control the new storage medium. Oct 24 15:33
twitter What they want and what the world does are increasingly divergent. Oct 24 15:33
twitter OOXML has zero traction. Oct 24 15:34
twitter The recession will make that permanent Oct 24 15:34
schestowitz They can try to dump MSO07 or sell it cheaply. Oct 24 15:35
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twitter They have already dumped it at Universities.  A M$ fan at LSU gloated to me how it cost him nothing because student fees paid for it and he’s faculty.  Just let him try to mail it’s version of OOXML to anyone. Oct 24 15:38
trmanco cool -> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9251 Oct 24 15:38
twitter Merry Christmas!  You’re fired.  Chrysler is firing 25% of salaried employees.  http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20… Oct 24 15:39
twitter Looks like M$’s earnings news and stock buybacks are suckering people today.  M$FT has actually gained value. Oct 24 15:40
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twitter http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content… Oct 24 15:41
twitter ” The software behemoth’s fiscal first-quarter numbers provided investors with some reassurance that the floor isn’t falling out from under global IT spending” Oct 24 15:41
twitter how stupid can you get? Oct 24 15:41
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ld50 is go-oo related to novell? Oct 24 15:43
twitter China is telling M$, FU.  All M$’s big dumb clients are tits up.  The floor might not fall out under IT, but it’s sure falling out under M$. Oct 24 15:43
twitter yes there are lots of connections Roy has dug up. Oct 24 15:44
ld50 there’s a guy in #openoffice.org sending people to #go-oo Oct 24 15:44
ld50 lol Oct 24 15:44
twitter http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/07/… Oct 24 15:45
twitter http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/12/micr… Oct 24 15:45
twitter send them to those places. Oct 24 15:45
twitter trolls, hmph. Oct 24 15:45
ld50 i dont think he’s trolling, he’s talking to people in private Oct 24 15:47
ld50 :P Oct 24 15:47
schestowitz twitter: BW is no source for objective information about Wintel. Oct 24 15:48
schestowitz ld50: yes, go-oo is Novell’s fork of OOo Oct 24 15:48
schestowitz The patchset became a fork. Oct 24 15:48
schestowitz ld50: can you paste the script showing this (from IRC), please? Oct 24 15:49
schestowitz I could use proof. Oct 24 15:49
ld50 schestowitz: yes Oct 24 15:51
schestowitz Please. Oct 24 15:52
schestowitz If you can show me the text. Oct 24 15:52
schestowitz Or the user/host name of the disruptor. Oct 24 15:52
ld50 http://rafb.net/p/DvUeVq75.html Oct 24 15:54
schestowitz ld50: can I post these? Oct 24 15:56
ld50 hide my nick or something Oct 24 15:56
schestowitz Will do. Oct 24 15:57
ld50 did you read last weeks lwn article? Oct 24 15:57
ld50 its available to public since yesterday Oct 24 15:57
ld50 http://lwn.net/Articles/302435/ Oct 24 15:57
ld50 theres a long talk about go-oo Oct 24 15:57
schestowitz I see now. Oct 24 15:58
schestowitz Thanks for the headsup Oct 24 15:58
schestowitz I posted about this fork just 1 hour ago in BN Oct 24 15:59
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/24/paten… Oct 24 15:59
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_Doug MS issues out-of-band urgent update .. Oct 24 16:01
_Doug http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-1… Oct 24 16:01
_Doug Microsoft Security Bulletin MS08-067 – Critical Oct 24 16:02
_Doug Remote Code Execution .. Oct 24 16:02
_Doug “The vulnerability is due to the service not properly handling specially crafted RPC requests. An attacker who successfully exploited this vulnerability could take complete control of an affected system” Oct 24 16:03
_Doug “Windows Vista x64 Edition and Windows Vista x64 Edition Service Pack 1″ Oct 24 16:03
_Doug So much for the much vaunted improved security model of Vista .. Oct 24 16:04
schestowitz _Doug: World and Dog gets what the NSA already had. Oct 24 16:04
_Doug “Microsoft security researchers discovered this vulnerability  .. In other words, this vulnerability was not brought to Redmond’s attention by a third-party researcher” Oct 24 16:08
_Doug “The reason for the out-of-band patch is that there is already malware actively using the vulnerability to infect computers, which we detect as Trojan-Spy:W32/Gimmiv.A” Oct 24 16:08
_Doug http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archive… Oct 24 16:09
schestowitz So had the source code been out there, someone else could alert them long ago. Oct 24 16:13
_Doug Ohio elections website hacked .. Oct 24 16:13
_Doug http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/… Oct 24 16:13
twitter Have you seen how it’s possible to automatically generate exploits based on M$’s flawed update schemes?  http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/04/18/1459225.shtml Oct 24 16:13
_Doug This is so 1988 .. Oct 24 16:13
schestowitz It would be funny if McCain’s site got hacked. Oct 24 16:15
twitter Not being able to have current install media just about guarantees new computers will be owned before they are patched. Oct 24 16:15
_Doug patching as a security solution is fundementally flawed .. you patch A B and C and then patch B C and E and A breaks .. Oct 24 16:15
schestowitz Much like Palin’s E-mail account. Oct 24 16:15
trmanco http://www.winehq.org/?announce=1.1.7 Oct 24 16:15
trmanco just in time Oct 24 16:15
schestowitz What time? :-) Wine for lunch? Oct 24 16:15
trmanco yes Oct 24 16:16
trmanco Dinner here Oct 24 16:16
_Doug I’m trying Google Chrome .. does typing # in the address bar still crash it ? Oct 24 16:16
_Doug :% Oct 24 16:17
schestowitz Cheome=win32 Oct 24 16:17
schestowitz Chrome=win32 . Google gives precedence to Windows. Oct 24 16:17
_Doug ? Oct 24 16:18
schestowitz Don’t reward them by downloading the s/w. Oct 24 16:18
schestowitz Chris DiBona said so too. Google gives special treatment to Windows (not in these exact words) Oct 24 16:18
schestowitz Speak with your walle… er… bandwidth. Oct 24 16:18
_Doug back later .. Oct 24 16:19
trmanco http://digg.com/linux_unix/W… Oct 24 16:19
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twitter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m… Oct 24 16:22
twitter pie! Oct 24 16:22
schestowitz Dugg. Oct 24 16:22
trmanco :-) Oct 24 16:33
trmanco I’ll be posting it on COLA later Oct 24 16:33
schestowitz I totally forget to post there. Oct 24 16:34
schestowitz I’ll do it tonight. Oct 24 16:34
schestowitz I keep seeing articles about Amazon and Windows. Can’t help but think of.. Oct 24 16:39
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schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09… Oct 24 16:42
twitter radioactive contamination Oct 24 16:57
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_Doug Greenspan says he’s “found a flaw” in his free-market ideology .. Oct 24 17:07
_Doug http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206010… Oct 24 17:07
_Doug $10.8bn to develop Fedora Linux .. Oct 24 17:10
_Doug http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2228861/… Oct 24 17:10
_Doug OLPC: Windows vs Linux .. Oct 24 17:11
_Doug http://software.silicon.com/os/0,… Oct 24 17:11
_Doug BBC iPlayer downloads coming to Mac and Linux .. Oct 24 17:11
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schestowitz “Found a flaw” Oct 24 17:12
schestowitz Maybe he should speak to hijack-without-user-intervention BillG :-) Oct 24 17:12
schestowitz Bill Gates, FOCUS Magazine, 1995: “No! There are no significant bugs in our released software that any significant number of users want fixed.” Oct 24 17:13
schestowitz Bill Gates, FOCUS Magazine, 1995: “No! If you really think there’s a bug you should report a bug. Maybe you’re not using it properly. Have you ever considered that?.” Oct 24 17:13
schestowitz Silicon.com on OLPC… from Microsoft mouthpiece Ina Fried Oct 24 17:14
schestowitz I haven’t read it yet, but it could be a PR placement passed from Microsoft via the Friedshill. Oct 24 17:15
schestowitz olicon says CBS Oct 24 17:15
_Doug BA puts faith in IP at Terminal 5 .. Oct 24 17:16
_Doug http://networks.silicon.com/lans/0,… Oct 24 17:16
schestowitz Didn’t Microsoft sign some deal with CBS recently, maybe advertising? Also, they import many article from ZDNet (Ziff/Gates, Paul Allen/CNET). I find it off that they grab a CNET article that’s a Microsoft shill Oct 24 17:16
schestowitz http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/454931 : MS-CBS? Microsoft Aligns With Eye Network Oct 24 17:17
schestowitz I think there was something more recently… I can vaguely remember. Oct 24 17:18
_Doug Terminal 5:  ‘No one had the faintest idea of why the hell it was all going wrong’ Oct 24 17:18
_Doug http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-547050… Oct 24 17:18
schestowitz Ah! That’s the one: CBS Television Stations Adopt Microsoft Silverlight for New User-Generated Content Initiative on the Web < http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?… > Oct 24 17:18
schestowitz Also older: CBS and Microsoft WebTV Break Ground as “CSI: Crime Scene Investigation” Becomes First Interactive Dramatic Series < http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2… > and Xbox 360 Teams With CBS, MTV Networks, Paramount Pictures, Turner Broadcasting, UFC and Warner Bros. Home Entertainment to Digitally Deliver TV Shows and Movies to Gamers < http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p… Oct 24 17:19
schestowitz MovieDeliveryPR.mspx > Oct 24 17:19
schestowitz That potentially explains why Silicon.com is always so filled with FOSS-hostile articles and WIntel fluff. Oct 24 17:19
_Doug Terminal 5′s baggage failure .. Oct 24 17:22
_Doug http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/RFID-blo… Oct 24 17:22
schestowitz What system (s/w) do they run? Oct 24 17:23
trmanco http://fsfe.org/en/fellows/ciaran/ciaran_s_f… Oct 24 17:26
trmanco http://people.samba.org/people/abartlet/a-yea… Oct 24 17:26
schestowitz Microsoft lost, but it tries to portray this as “Microsoft is nice” Oct 24 17:27
schestowitz There are other examples like Phoenix suing Microsoft (antitrust) and Microsoft then changing the EULA, citing being ‘nice’ (sort of). Just PR lies. Oct 24 17:28
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_Doug Why Microsoft Wants Us to Get All Mixed Up .. Oct 24 17:34
_Doug http://www.linuxjournal.com/content… Oct 24 17:34
schestowitz Yes. I mentioned it moments ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/24… Oct 24 17:36
*libervisco_ is now known as libervisco Oct 24 17:38
_Doug ot: you were in a rowing race ? Oct 24 17:38
_Doug Microsoft joins Open Standards Messaging Working Group :) Oct 24 17:40
_Doug http://www.ibtimes.com/prnews/20… Oct 24 17:40
_Doug http://www.microsoft.com/iplicensing/ :) Oct 24 17:41
schestowitz Open. Oct 24 17:42
schestowitz What does that mean? Oct 24 17:42
schestowitz http://blogs.msdn.com/jasonmatusow/… .. More Open Than Open Oct 24 17:42
schestowitz “I am constantly amazed at the flexibility of this single word. There are open systems, open sciences, open standards, open architectures, and open source licenses. There are some open source licenses that are more open and some less. I think Orwell would have loved this – after all, some animals are more equal than others. Can one open source license be more open than another open source license?” Oct 24 17:42
_Doug “Chinese Company First to Market with Technology That Turns Photos into Cartoons” Oct 24 17:43
_Doug http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/ca… Oct 24 17:43
_Doug A couple of filters in GIMP does the same thing .. Oct 24 17:43
schestowitz This is old. Oct 24 17:43
schestowitz 2007 Oct 24 17:43
_Doug “Talkweb decided to license a technology called Personalized Facial Sketch” Oct 24 17:44
schestowitz “Chinese Company First to Market with Technology That Turns Microsoft into Angel in Slashdot. Oct 24 17:44
schestowitz It’s called AstroTurging… A couple of filters in CHIMP does the same thing Oct 24 17:44
schestowitz *LOL* @ http://www.ibtimes.com/prnews/2008… Oct 24 17:45
schestowitz Cisco and other extortionate companies unite under “open” something. Oct 24 17:45
schestowitz Oct 24 17:46
schestowitz Members of the AMQP Working Group are Cisco, Credit Suisse, DeutscheBoerse Systems, Envoy Technologies Inc., The Goldman Sachs Group Inc., iMatixCorporation, IONA Technologies, J.P. Morgan, Novell, Rabbit Technologies Ltd.,Red Hat Inc., TWIST Process Innovations Ltd., WSO2 and 29West Inc. “ Oct 24 17:46
schestowitz Novell *cough cough* Oct 24 17:46
_Doug http://www.dumpr.net/photo/1e59b97e5df34740/ Oct 24 17:46
_Doug http://www.dumpr.net/sketch.php Oct 24 17:46
schestowitz *LOL* Oct 24 17:47
schestowitz Just a strands filter can achive this. Oct 24 17:47
schestowitz Are they patenting the basics of image analysis? Oct 24 17:48
_Doug where’s the innovation .. morphing + sketching … Oct 24 17:48
schestowitz Method of swinging on a swing: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6368227.html Oct 24 17:48
_Doug Newzbin.com sued for indexing Usenet .. Oct 24 17:50
_Doug Newzbin has recently received two serious complaints regarding the indexing we perform Oct 24 17:50
_Doug http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replie… Oct 24 17:50
schestowitz What about DejaNews/G2? Oct 24 17:52
schestowitz “If they get in trouble for merely indexing the content, Google will have some even more serious issues to contend with.” Oct 24 17:53
_Doug “On 17th June 2008, in response to a copyright infringement notice from the MPA, “ Oct 24 17:53
_Doug http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NewzBin Oct 24 17:53
schestowitz http://www.templetons.com/brad/copyright.html Oct 24 17:54
_Doug “One of the main technologies produced is an XML-based file format called NZB files ..  the main benefit of the direct link is improving the efficiency of Usenet binaries” Oct 24 17:54
schestowitz “You can also do creative editing or collecting work. So that while facts can’t be copyrighted, clever, creative organization of the facts can be. This is called a compilation copyr” Oct 24 17:55
schestowitz Oh, binaries… Oct 24 17:55
schestowitz “It also means that to be enforced, copyrights have to have some commercial value. Nobody sane is going to file lawsuits over things like ordinary e-mail messages and USENET postings that have minimal commercial value, if any. You should, however, try to comply with the wishes of authors.” Oct 24 17:55
schestowitz “You also have to watch it on USENET and the web. These are no longer tiny places. Posting here is honest-to-goodness publication, sometimes to an audience of hundreds of thousands if not millions. You can seriously damage the commercial value of something by giving it free to such a large audience, all with the touch of a button.” Oct 24 17:55
schestowitz I hate words like “innovation”, “creativity”, “creation of new art”, “incentive”, and “monetise”. Oct 24 17:56
_Doug Bill Gates’ mysterious new company .. Oct 24 17:56
_Doug http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Bill_… Oct 24 17:56
schestowitz This is all to do with thought, not material. Oct 24 17:56
schestowitz _Doug: maybe it’s another Vista viral marketing thing. /sarcasm Oct 24 17:57
_Doug I hereby patent synaptic firing in a biological entity .. :) Oct 24 17:57
schestowitz It’s a patent troll, no… it’s philanropy.. no, it’s Jerry Seigfried [sic]… WAIT, Mr. Mojave! It’s all just a Vista scam. Oct 24 17:58
_Doug What have Steve Norris, Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud and Cascade Investments have in common ? Oct 24 18:04
_Doug http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/103572 Oct 24 18:04
schestowitz Ammunition for MS: http://www.pcworld.com/article/152754… “Russia Blocks Google Online Advertising Acquisition” Oct 24 18:04
schestowitz Weird headline Oct 24 18:05
schestowitz “SCO ends bankruptcy proceedings and is evidently continuing its lawsuits” Oct 24 18:05
schestowitz Shouts out “SCO is ALIVE, attacking Linux again” Oct 24 18:05
schestowitz O’Gara’s was wrose. Oct 24 18:06
schestowitz Something like “It’s ba-a-a-ck…” Oct 24 18:06
schestowitz And attacks on Groklaw in her ‘news’… Oct 24 18:06
schestowitz Good video about citizen journalism: http://www.archive.org/details/e-d… http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv261_01_… Oct 24 18:07
schestowitz “West Virginia residents complained e-voting machines “switched” their votes to another candidate. State officials are calming fears.” http://www.pcworld.com/article/152757/… Oct 24 18:07
schestowitz “State officials are calming fears…” the machines made the ‘right’ choice. Butterfly 2.0. Oct 24 18:08
twitter disturbing http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/… Oct 24 18:08
twitter Slashdot has had a lot of anti-google FUD stories lately. Oct 24 18:08
_Doug a link to the O’Gara articel on Groklaw ? Oct 24 18:08
schestowitz And assassination attempt in the front page too. Oct 24 18:09
schestowitz So is there world war III in 2014 (29′-36′)? Oct 24 18:09
schestowitz twitter: you should read Microsoft sites for news. Oct 24 18:10
schestowitz SourceForge is funded by Microsoft. Oct 24 18:10
schestowitz NOVL is down 5% Oct 24 18:10
schestowitz OMG. Look at Sun (JAVA) Oct 24 18:11
twitter Got the link from google finance. Oct 24 18:11
twitter M$ should look like Sun and will. Oct 24 18:12
schestowitz Novell fell below $3 Oct 24 18:12
schestowitz $4 sorry.. Oct 24 18:12
schestowitz I’ll do a quick post and use this image, which I assume is public domain (1920s/1930s) Oct 24 18:12
twitter watched it with glee, they are back up now. Oct 24 18:13
twitter don’t know if that is public domain.  The hands are new. Oct 24 18:13
_Doug ‘MS CFO outlines plan to weather economic crisis ..  will focus on lowering customers’ total cost of ownership .. Microsoft will focus on providing “high-value products at a low total ownership cost as a competitive advantage’ Oct 24 18:13
_Doug http://www.computerworld.com/action/article… Oct 24 18:13
twitter “Hollywood fire destroys films worth millions” ha ha Oct 24 18:14
_Doug how can renting more ‘software’ cost less ? Oct 24 18:14
_Doug ha ha ? Oct 24 18:14
schestowitz twitter: well, the paper is old Oct 24 18:15
twitter IP overvalue before last depression. Oct 24 18:15
schestowitz I don’t care about the stupid hands. Oct 24 18:15
schestowitz I have hands (i.e. ‘intellectual’ ‘property’) too. Oct 24 18:15
twitter me neither, you asked if the image was owned. Oct 24 18:15
schestowitz I’d like to see someone suing for a photograph of a paper whose readers and writers are all dead. Oct 24 18:16
schestowitz Intellectual INSANITY. Oct 24 18:16
twitter they would say the addition of hands and lighting create a unique expression worthy of copyright. Oct 24 18:16
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schestowitz _Doug: there’s better stuff.. quotes… I’ll post about it tomorrow. Oct 24 18:16
_Doug ok .. gtg .. Oct 24 18:17
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schestowitz twitter: then sod it, I won’t use it then. Oct 24 18:17
schestowitz Esxpression schmexpression. Oct 24 18:17
twitter Hey, it’s not mine. Oct 24 18:17
schestowitz twitter: I was joking. :-) Oct 24 18:17
schestowitz I typically use royalty-free image stocks. Oct 24 18:18
twitter that’s good. Oct 24 18:18
schestowitz Else, the Microsoft Munchkins will nitpick ’round copyrights, never mind attributions Oct 24 18:18
schestowitz They tried this before. Oct 24 18:18
twitter have they gone after you in court? Oct 24 18:18
schestowitz They also tried this with PJ, I think. She needs to becareful what she links to because people just hawk her  for some reason for legal harassment. Oct 24 18:19
schestowitz twitter: no, not in court. Oct 24 18:19
twitter I’m always paranoid about these things myself.  As Lessig says, they can tie you up and screw you over stuff like that. Oct 24 18:19
schestowitz Messages 1 – 25 of 296 : http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux…. Oct 24 18:20
schestowitz If you have patience to read the whole thing, you’ll see that I attributed with hyprrlink Oct 24 18:20
schestowitz The trolls kept bugging the guy to harass me. Oct 24 18:20
twitter Funkenbush eh?  What an ass. Oct 24 18:23
twitter You have pointed to that guy before… Oct 24 18:23
twitter That’s one of those bullshit damned if you do, damned if you don’t so you can’t share arguments.   Everytime you look at an image you make a copy. Oct 24 18:25
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schestowitz They say he’s a Munchkin. Oct 24 18:31
schestowitz He used to attack OS/2 back in the days. Oct 24 18:31
schestowitz They call him “last of the Munchkins” Oct 24 18:31
twitter He harassed you over a mug shot.  Those, as you have realized, are strictly public domain. Oct 24 18:34
schestowitz The site’s readers in Provo won’t be too happy about this: http://boycottnovell.com/2… Oct 24 18:34
schestowitz I find this image amusing: http://beranger.org/index.php?page… Oct 24 18:36
schestowitz “I won’t follow the stock markets reports, but I’ve vaguely heard that Asian markets have dropped again: Tokyo (Nikkei) by 7.08%, Seoul by 9%, Jakarta by 6.59%, Bangkok by 5.10%, Singapore by 4.82%, Hong Kong by 4.66%, Taipei by 3.06%, etc. What a shit.” Oct 24 18:36
schestowitz FTSE 100:3,883.36 (it used to be 6,726.90) Oct 24 18:38
twitter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DJIA_… Oct 24 18:40
twitter I’d say the markets have been overpriced for a while.  You can see the big hump in the 90s Oct 24 18:42
twitter the growth rate was crazy, especially as US industry was busy dismantling itself Oct 24 18:43
schestowitz 80s too? Oct 24 18:43
twitter yes Oct 24 18:44
schestowitz The numbers are not logarithmically scales… I don’t know what you call this scale Oct 24 18:44
schestowitz This doesn’t show you quite the extent of the jump Oct 24 18:44
twitter it’s a base 10 log scale Oct 24 18:45
twitter steady growth should show up as a straight line Oct 24 18:45
schestowitz Maybe it’ll return to sane values. Oct 24 18:46
twitter the lies are mostly in how the average is calculated.  different companies are used and there’s a “divisor” that can tweak things up or down. Oct 24 18:46
schestowitz But the debt stays. Oct 24 18:46
twitter People who have been trying to invest for retirement in the last 10 years are hosed. Oct 24 18:47
twitter People who have lost their houses are hosed. Oct 24 18:47
twitter Empty houses rot. Oct 24 18:48
twitter Value goes to zero quickly. Oct 24 18:48
schestowitz My relatives get to keep the house. Oct 24 18:48
schestowitz At least the health system should survive. Back to some life basics. Oct 24 18:49
schestowitz No more cross-countrying in an SUV. Oct 24 18:49
twitter People who live in tents don’t buy much and have a hard time holding down jobs. Oct 24 18:50
schestowitz http://blogs.computerworld.com/an… Oct 24 18:51
schestowitz Now, there are open-source idealists. Take, for example, my friend and top Samba developer, Jeremy Allison. Allison quit Novell because he objected to Novell’s parent partnership with Microsoft. Idealistic? Yes. Foolish idealistic? No. A few weeks later Allison was working for Google. “ Oct 24 18:51
schestowitz Hats off to SJVN for calling an idiot an “idiot” in IDG. Oct 24 18:51
schestowitz Hehe. Good readings: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&a… http://www.amazon.com/dp/0691118205/ http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifame… Oct 24 18:54
schestowitz Appleware epic fail: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainm… Oct 24 18:57
schestowitz Technophobes at MSNHS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7687154.stm Oct 24 18:59
schestowitz Collateral Damage: Why Windows Mobile will die. : http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pul… Oct 24 19:01
schestowitz “And where will Windows Mobile be in 2011? There way things are headed now, given that Microsoft can’t really afford to be anything but first or second on the platform that supplants Windows, I’d say Windows Mobile will be dead.” Oct 24 19:02
schestowitz http://news.zdnet.com/2424… … Intel also tried to ‘apologise’ and make peace with OLPC after Slogging it… Oct 24 19:15
schestowitz Stephen Hawking to retire from academic post < http://rss.cnn.com/~r/rss/cnn_tech/~3/430… > Oct 24 19:17
twitter I do not think you understand the slog yet. Oct 24 19:41
twitter It’s the “one night stand” thing.  You always present yourself as the good guy.  Always smile and say you are interested in long term.  Always fuck as hard as you can at the same time. Lie to the public to convince them your opponent is unreasonable, ungrateful and untrustworthy. Oct 24 19:43
twitter Smile smile smile and still be a villain Oct 24 19:44
schestowitz Microsoft says “one-night stand too” Oct 24 19:44
schestowitz In antitrust/class action suits they brought up things they had fished. Oct 24 19:45
schestowitz Mcirosoft called Windows developers (third party of course) “Pawns” and also “one-night stand”, IIRC. Oct 24 19:45
schestowitz It’s in BN somewhere. Oct 24 19:45
twitter one night stand and pawns.  the quote was intentional. Oct 24 19:47
twitter Here’s a thought from SVJN.  If it would cost 12 billion dollars to write the GNU/Linux kernel but the kernel is a small part of free software.  There’s roughly 10 to 100 times more free software in the world than the kernel. Oct 24 19:49
twitter That makes the value of free software between half to 50 times what M$ is worth. Oct 24 19:50
schestowitz http://www.itpro.co.uk/607509/open-so…   Open source Linux worth billions, Microsoft warned .. Can Microsoft compete with an billion dollar open source project which benefits from widespread collaboration? Oct 24 19:50
twitter Because I get way more out of free software than I’ll ever get out of Windows and every piece of software owned by M$, the minimum bound is 1. Oct 24 19:51
twitter A reasonable estimate is 10 times the value of M$ or 2 trillion dollars. Oct 24 19:52
schestowitz Just as I wrote earlier, it seems like marketing ploy: Will Symbian OS and S60 really be open source? < http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2008/10/23/will-symb… > Oct 24 19:53
schestowitz When I come to think of it, expect BOTH Intel and Microsoft to Slog ARM. Oct 24 19:54
schestowitz Both are allergic to it. Microsoft depends dearly on x86 Oct 24 19:54
twitter It’s a losing battle. Oct 24 19:54
schestowitz I’m not sure it can do freescape either, not even the failing embedded version. Oct 24 19:54
schestowitz *freescale Oct 24 19:54
twitter They can’t be all things to all people. Oct 24 19:55
twitter My estimate of 10x the value of M$ chimes nicely with ESR’s estimate that there are 10x as many free software developers as M$ has employed. Oct 24 19:56
schestowitz *LOL* Oct 24 19:56
schestowitz http://www.electronicsnews.com.au/Article/Op… Oct 24 19:56
schestowitz Site was down for a long time, now it spew MS errors. Oct 24 19:57
schestowitz *spews out Oct 24 19:57
twitter Thinking of fail, Novell is down 5.5% for the day 4.10 Oct 24 19:59
twitter 4.11, my bad Oct 24 19:59
schestowitz Another idiocy.. http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticl… .. Microsoft has already burns a ton of money on Danger and Windows Mobile is said to be dying (even by Microsoft fans). Let them burn money on RIM to enter deeper debt. Oct 24 20:00
schestowitz Fakers: Nokia Joins Open-Source Trend for Mobile Platforms < http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Nokia-Joins… > Oct 24 20:01
schestowitz Open DASH source… TREND, not SOFTWARE… just more PR fluff to confuse people. Oct 24 20:02
twitter Woops, Cringly has confused me with the word “Linux”  Looks like he realy meant Fedora. Oct 24 20:02
twitter I still like my estimate of the relative values. Oct 24 20:02
schestowitz Speaking of NOVL falling, its fans jump the defence in the comments: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/24/novell-s… Oct 24 20:03
twitter fun Oct 24 20:10
schestowitz The sons of a gun will need another blood infusion from SweatyB and Co. If Novell falls, Microsoft’s patent plot falls along with it. Oct 24 20:12
schestowitz aid Off From A Tech Job? Get Into Open Source : http://www.lifehacker.com.au/tips/2008/10/24/… Oct 24 20:15
schestowitz Unemloyed people have a lot of time in their hands. That’s why the recession can do a lot for Free software. While doing job interviews and training, people can contribute a lot for education or leisure. Oct 24 20:16
twitter Employed people have a better grasp of what companies want though.  Tough times are bad for everyone, just worse for M$ which will have to be content with more of their assurance plans. Oct 24 20:21
twitter Those assurance plans, by the way, are a really bad deal and people hate them. Oct 24 20:22
twitter Holy crap.  http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/… Oct 24 20:25
schestowitz Blechh. http://www.edn.com/index.asp?layout=blog&a… Oct 24 20:26
schestowitz Does anyone have a good PDF to HTML converter? This is quite urgent. Oct 24 20:29
schestowitz trmanco has one *ping* trmanco. Oct 24 20:29
trmanco pdf5html is the one I use Oct 24 20:29
trmanco pdf2html* Oct 24 20:30
trmanco comes with Ubuntu Oct 24 20:30
schestowitz Can you /please/ do me this one? http://documents.epo.org/projects/babylon/eponet… Oct 24 20:30
trmanco sure Oct 24 20:30
schestowitz ┌─(roy@localhost Fri, 24 Oct 08)─—————————————— ——————————————─(/home/roy)────┐ Oct 24 20:30
schestowitz └─(20:30 $)─> pdf2 Oct 24 20:30
schestowitz pdf2dsc  pdf2ps Oct 24 20:30
schestowitz So I don’t have that… didn’t check the repo Oct 24 20:31
schestowitz I’ll try to grab the scanned part. Oct 24 20:31
trmanco crap Oct 24 20:31
trmanco its pdftohtml no pdf2html Oct 24 20:32
schestowitz I’d be grateful if you could mail me the output. Other sites need this for reference. Oct 24 20:36
schestowitz And there’s no copyrights AFAIK. No ISO f*wits, either. Oct 24 20:36
trmanco okok Oct 24 20:37
trmanco 1 sec Oct 24 20:37
schestowitz EU software patent issue goes to appeals body : http://www.nytimes.com/external/idg… Oct 24 20:38
trmanco schestowitz, done Oct 24 20:47
trmanco Want me to send it to the email you gave me the other time? Oct 24 20:48
schestowitz Yes, please. Oct 24 20:50
schestowitz Thanks a lot. Oct 24 20:50
schestowitz I’m trying to find similar cases. Oct 24 20:50
schestowitz “There is also a page done by the Bioactivists of Greenpeace which explains what they did when their issue of life patents went to the Eboa.” Oct 24 20:50
schestowitz http://www.greenpeace.org/india/press/releases/g… : Greenpeace calls European Union to ban patent on Indian Wheat Oct 24 20:51
trmanco schestowitz, done Oct 24 20:53
schestowitz That’s brilliant, thank you! Oct 24 21:00
trmanco you’re welcome Oct 24 21:02
schestowitz Give me 10 minutes Oct 24 21:04
trmanco ok Oct 24 21:04
schestowitz .What’s your homepage again? Oct 24 21:04
trmanco open-mania.com Oct 24 21:06
schestowitz Okay: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/24/so… Oct 24 21:16
trmanco cool Oct 24 21:17
trmanco you pasted the hole document into the post :-) Oct 24 21:17
*trmanco is exploring the .c files of linux kernel 0.01 Oct 24 21:19
schestowitz Find swear words. Oct 24 21:20
trmanco I already did :-P Oct 24 21:20
schestowitz Linux.com has an article about us: http://www.linux.com/feature/151215 Oct 24 21:21
trmanco cool Oct 24 21:25
trmanco ha here it is Oct 24 21:26
trmanco “ok, as I hadn’t got any other source of information about Oct 24 21:26
trmanco * possible error numbers, I was forced to use the same numbers Oct 24 21:26
trmanco * as minix. Oct 24 21:26
trmanco * Hopefully these are posix or something. I wouldn’t know (and posix Oct 24 21:26
trmanco * isn’t telling me – they want $$$ for their f***ing standard). Oct 24 21:26
trmanco * Oct 24 21:26
trmanco * We don’t use the _SIGN cludge of minix, so kernel returns must Oct 24 21:26
trmanco * see to the sign by themselves.” Oct 24 21:26
trmanco lol Oct 24 21:27
schestowitz Okay, done reading. Oct 24 21:44
schestowitz The comments could get ugly, but I won’t step in. Oct 24 21:44
schestowitz “_SIGN cludge of mini” Oct 24 21:45
schestowitz Minix became obsolete, eventually. Oct 24 21:45
*trmanco has quit (“I just hit the close button :)”) Oct 24 21:49
MinceR perhaps it isn’t obsolete for what it was originally intended Oct 24 21:52
MinceR (teaching) Oct 24 21:52
schestowitz True. I was joking. Oct 24 21:55
schestowitz http://www.filewatcher.com/b/ftp/ftp.funet.fi/… Oct 24 21:55
schestowitz Linux is obsolete (thread index) : http://www.educ.umu.se/~bjorn/mhonar… Oct 24 21:55
schestowitz How ri fight TERROR~1? More databases. Yes, loads and loads of data cure everything.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008… Oct 24 22:02
schestowitz *How to Oct 24 22:02
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story… Oct 24 22:06
MinceR especially if they keep losing that data Oct 24 22:10
schestowitz Yes, that’s the thing.. It /ALWAYS/ leaks. Once is enough… Oct 24 22:14
schestowitz Nvidia to lay off 1000 more souls < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n… > Oct 24 22:20
schestowitz Microsoft closes the quarter with less cash than Apple < http://venturebeat.com/2008/10/23/micro… >. True, and Microsoft might enter debt some time in the future. Oct 24 22:21
schestowitz Microsoft to cut budget up to $500 million < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/… > Oct 24 22:24
twitter Makes Chrysler look nice. Oct 24 22:27
twitter They fired everyone before Christmas. Oct 24 22:27
twitter The only thing less cool than, “Merry Christmas, you are fired,”  is “Happy New Year, you are fired.” Oct 24 22:28
twitter ” He said the company would cull as much as $500 million from its budget, by cutting marketing … ” OMG, they are cutting their core competency!  Bedrock is shedding.  Why knows, they might even fire their trolls … or offshore them. Oct 24 22:30
schestowitz They probably still get paid until some time after Xmas. Oct 24 22:30
twitter Joy. Oct 24 22:30
schestowitz Less money to those who fund the ‘Web marketing’, i.e. shills. Oct 24 22:31
schestowitz I bet the stock of W.E. is diving today (as if they had one) Oct 24 22:31
twitter Pay after termination is not a given.  You are lucky to get your vacation time and your next pay check these days. Oct 24 22:31
schestowitz Bummber. Oct 24 22:32
schestowitz There are some rather annoying troll comments here: http://www.linux.com/feature/151215 Oct 24 22:32
schestowitz There will probably be more and I need to watch in case there is outright libel. Oct 24 22:32
schestowitz Yahoo dumps 1500 staff but spends $15 million on new building : http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/… Oct 24 22:33
twitter The advertisers video, ha ha.  http://slashdot.org/~twitt… Oct 24 22:33
twitter :’( Oct 24 22:33
schestowitz Jerry Yang gets a $15- million penthouse. ;-) Oct 24 22:33
twitter The fucker should be sleeping in a cot before he fires 1,500 people. Oct 24 22:34
schestowitz Been there, done that. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2008/… Oct 24 22:34
schestowitz I wish I had more time to maintain schestowitz.com. I’ve barely been touching it in years. Oct 24 22:35
twitter Yahoo’s leadership did the right thing to fight M$ off. Oct 24 22:35
schestowitz Yes Oct 24 22:35
schestowitz Hey, don’t insult Yang. Oct 24 22:35
schestowitz He’s not a bad guy, AFAIK. he also seems to have chosen some BSD… was he from Berkeley or another CA university? Oct 24 22:36
twitter It’s a dirty fight and I can see belt tightening but a $15 million penthouse? Oct 24 22:36
twitter That’s enough money to keep a lot of employees around. Oct 24 22:37
schestowitz No, I was joking. Oct 24 22:37
schestowitz See the wink emoticon. Oct 24 22:37
twitter oh. Oct 24 22:38
twitter I like HP’s belt tightening better.  Everyone takes a pay cut. Oct 24 22:38
twitter No bonuses, that kind of thing. Oct 24 22:38
schestowitz Lcckin watch: http://www.pcworld.com/article/152774… “Microsoft has chosen Telefonica as the exclusive carrier to provide VoIP (voice over Internet Protocol) services to Windows Live Messenger users in the U.S. and some South American countries, the companies said Friday.” Oct 24 22:38
schestowitz Inflation is enough of a paycut. Oct 24 22:39
schestowitz FreeLabour Portal: http://www.pcworld.com/article/15… Oct 24 22:40
schestowitz Employees Leaving? Here’s Why and What to Do < http://www.pcworld.com/article/15281… > Oct 24 22:44
schestowitz On Powell’s endorsement: http://lessig.org/blog/2008/10/powe… . I left a comment there, but no reply from Lessig (about Ogg). Oct 24 22:48
schestowitz Heh. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/20… (In praise of … Lawrence Lessig) Oct 24 22:51
twitter Oh man, BB did a hack job on you. Oct 24 22:54
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twitter He did not relate the sites thesis very well, just called it “controversial” and other bad things. Oct 24 22:55
schestowitz This was expected. Oct 24 22:55
schestowitz He has an axe to grind. Oct 24 22:55
schestowitz And he mailed me this morning. People noticed the history and pointed this out in one of the comments. Oct 24 22:56
twitter He pretended to be bigger than that. Oct 24 22:56
twitter Did he give you a chance to make corrections before publishing? Oct 24 22:56
schestowitz He got some things wrong. Oct 24 22:56
schestowitz For example, I didn’t attack’ Stephen. Oct 24 22:57
twitter Basically, he gave your trolls a sounding board they don’t deserve. Oct 24 22:57
schestowitz I just pointed out that there is Microsoft money on their table. As such, people need to bear it in mind… that’s not an ‘attack’ Oct 24 22:57
schestowitz And herein you see the use of /words/ to daemonise. Oct 24 22:57
schestowitz twitter: they had enough of their own sounding boards. Oct 24 22:58
schestowitz Search the Web. Oct 24 22:58
twitter Yeah, but BB is pretending to be part of the community to make you look like an extremist or outcast. Oct 24 22:59
twitter They do the same thing to RMS all the time. Oct 24 22:59
twitter Ignorant people buy it. Oct 24 22:59
schestowitz twitter: I know he would do this. Oct 24 22:59
schestowitz You can’t ‘stop’ the coverage by others. Oct 24 22:59
schestowitz RMS knows this too. Oct 24 22:59
twitter It was sleazy and BB knows it. Oct 24 23:00
schestowitz One things about him that I noticed is that he shows his criticism is not directed at just a few companies. Oct 24 23:00
schestowitz That leaves place for arguments about “hypocrisy” or obsession. Oct 24 23:00
twitter The best way to use the coverage is to put the core message out front now. Oct 24 23:01
schestowitz I just see the usual ‘opposition’ (same people) commenting there. Oct 24 23:01
schestowitz “Sorry I forgot to leave my name in the previous post. tracyanne” Oct 24 23:01
schestowitz That same tracyanne that vilifies me in LXer. Oct 24 23:01
twitter Incriminating quotes from M$ and Novell executives should be put into your banner. Oct 24 23:01
twitter You’ve got them, where they talk about “licensing fees” for patents.  They are damning and that’s the part BB missed. Oct 24 23:02
twitter Put it up front. Oct 24 23:02
schestowitz twitter: it’s not as though this article brings a lot of traffic that need some ‘opportunity’ to be seized Oct 24 23:02
schestowitz Maybe it’ll account for like 2% of the visits today Oct 24 23:02
schestowitz twitter: he covered none of the Novell criticism and its reasons, but the smart people already know it. Oct 24 23:03
schestowitz it’s not as though it’s Nature Magazine Oct 24 23:03
schestowitz Linux.com addresses a Linux crowd that already is at least aware of the core issues. Oct 24 23:03
twitter You think they are aware. Oct 24 23:04
twitter I don’t Oct 24 23:04
twitter You know things because you have looked them up and thought for a while. Oct 24 23:04
schestowitz twitter: what type of people subscribe to Linux.com? Oct 24 23:04
twitter Putting those quotes up front would make the site better anyway. Oct 24 23:04
schestowitz People who never heard about Mono controversy? Oct 24 23:04
schestowitz Or not about Novell and patents? Oct 24 23:04
twitter People come to Linux.com from Google. Oct 24 23:05
schestowitz That’s to do with archives. Oct 24 23:05
schestowitz The immediate readership (weekend) is regulars and those who read LXer/LT/whatever. Oct 24 23:05
twitter Is it? Oct 24 23:06
twitter Oh well, that’s my suggestion.  My wife wants some family time.  Check you later. Oct 24 23:06
schestowitz Funny comment in TM: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/31613 Oct 24 23:07
PetoKraus patenting a life form? Oct 24 23:22
PetoKraus doh Oct 24 23:22
PetoKraus that’s a _bit_ too much Oct 24 23:22
PetoKraus schestowitz: are _you_ licensed to live? Oct 24 23:23
schestowitz Oxygen licencing. Oct 24 23:23
schestowitz Please proceeds to till 1 for one gallon of air. Oct 24 23:23
schestowitz Worse than ownership of water actually. Although without water you die, just like without air. People monopolise water in some countries… it’s theirs, not Mother Nature’s. Oct 24 23:24
PetoKraus what were patents for, anyway? Oct 24 23:27
PetoKraus to block someone from using what you discovered? Oct 24 23:27
PetoKraus or invented, actually Oct 24 23:27
schestowitz http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/oct/22/… ( Free and open source software lets you laugh in the face of recession ) Oct 24 23:27
schestowitz PetoKraus: probably the incentive NOT to share ideas. use of insight to gain power over other people. Oct 24 23:28
MinceR gn Oct 24 23:28
PetoKraus well, i don’t see the point of patents Oct 24 23:28
schestowitz With copyrights and branding, I can see the point. Oct 24 23:29
PetoKraus copyrights, well, ok. you may not want to have people copying your work, and distributing it all over place Oct 24 23:29
schestowitz I beat you to it, but we thought alike :) Oct 24 23:29
PetoKraus but patents? what are they for? Oct 24 23:29
schestowitz Money Oct 24 23:29
PetoKraus to forbid someone to build something from scratch? Oct 24 23:29
schestowitz But it fails to realise that if you abuse you’ll be abuse too. Oct 24 23:30
schestowitz What goes around comes around.. worse off from patent trolls. Oct 24 23:30
schestowitz Which is why only onw crowd wins: lawyers. Oct 24 23:30
schestowitz Scope of patent is the disaster-maker. It’s made broader and broader. BM patents (pen and paper), software, life, human tissue, poetic /ideas/… Oct 24 23:31
schestowitz Want to write  a poem and a book. Start looking for patents before you stary typing. Oct 24 23:31
schestowitz You might infringe on someone else’s thought (which was probably thought by many people in the course of history anyway) Oct 24 23:32
PetoKraus it seems to me, that patents with patent period short enough Oct 24 23:47
PetoKraus like… half a year instead of 20 years Oct 24 23:47
schestowitz Do you know how long it takes to get a patent? Like 10 years in some cases. Oct 24 23:48
schestowitz The whole thing is a farce, esp. in USPTO Oct 24 23:49
PetoKraus well Oct 24 23:50
PetoKraus tough luck Oct 24 23:50
PetoKraus imagine apple getting patent for it’s dock Oct 24 23:51
schestowitz “coverage of Novell “is a bit too critical and prejudiced.”” Did BB take it out of context maybe? < http://www.linux.com/feature/151215 > Oct 24 23:51
PetoKraus so “you can sue anyone creating dock from 1999 till 2000 now” Oct 24 23:51
schestowitz Apple did get it. After like, what? 9 years? Oct 24 23:51
PetoKraus yup Oct 24 23:51
schestowitz After ‘gardening’ one’s patents and grooming the paper. Oct 24 23:52
PetoKraus alright Oct 24 23:52
PetoKraus GN Oct 24 23:52
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