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11.05.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 4th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 7:32 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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MinceR gn Nov 04 00:36
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twitter It has been a slow day for the trolls at Slashdot.  There were a few scrubbing the comments section but they seem to have left me alone all day.  Yesterday, they used a lot of mod points and they also made sure every firehose submission of mine was invisible.  Today, next to nothing. Nov 04 01:15
Eruaran hello all Nov 04 01:16
Eruaran Windows 7 new killer feature: Windows Libraries… What is that do you say ? Its… mount points. Nov 04 01:16
schestowitz USENET trolls are down too. Others pointed that out. Nov 04 01:17
Eruaran “I can see Russia from my house” – Sarah Palin (The Saturday Night Live version ;) Nov 04 01:21
schestowitz :-) Nov 04 01:45
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ZiggyFish1 Melbourn Cups on today Nov 04 02:22
tessier schestowitz: Why do you think trolls are down? Nov 04 02:31
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tessier schestowitz: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/… Nov 04 03:22
tessier Rather funny Nov 04 03:22
Eruaran I like it Nov 04 03:50
tessier http://www.bostonreview.net/BR33.6/… “Teaching children to use Windows is like teaching them to smoke tobacco—in a world where only one company sells tobacco.” Nov 04 04:06
tessier He must sit around all day thinking these things up. That’s a great analogy. Nov 04 04:06
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yuhong I am no fan of the Windows-related coverage on Boycott Novell. Nov 04 05:22
yuhong But I do like the MS, Novell, and Linux coverage on it. Nov 04 05:22
yuhong I don’t think Windows will die anytime soon, but I don’t like MS taxing Linux when it is not theirs. Nov 04 05:23
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schestowitz tessier: thanks for the link. I think the analogy is similar to old ones he used. Nov 04 08:09
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/… “I just heard that Novell is designing the OS for Windows 7. I live in Provo Utah and heard it from an insider that Novell is designing it w/ a flavor of Linux. I guess that M$ even admits that NT is loaded w/ security and stability issues.” Nov 04 08:12
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schestowitz http://techdirt.com/articles/20… “With more and more countries aggressively moving to embrace free and open source software, it appears that Microsoft is using its own money to its advantage, such as with this agreement to hand over $60 million to South Korea to get it to use its software, rather than the alternatives. “ Nov 04 09:01
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MinceR geekings Nov 04 09:09
schestowitz http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/seattl… “On the day that Barack Obama’s maternal grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, died in Hawaii, the California Republican Party filed a complaint about the Democratic nominee’s recent trip to see her.” Nov 04 09:25
schestowitz Obama’s grandmother dies of cancer at 86 < http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/20…  > “The death of Madelyn Dunham, coming a day before the election, introduced a somber note in the closing hours of Obama’s historic presidential bid. Dunham, who was Obama’s closest remaining relative, died at her Hawaii home from cancer, his campaign said.” Nov 04 09:30
kentma1 I wonder how long MS will be able to afford to pay people to use their software.  This has a Cnut feel to it. Nov 04 09:36
schestowitz They approach debt, they cut expenses, sack employees, and I imagine that they are in for some rough times. Crazy spree of acquiring competitors won’t do anymore. Nov 04 09:37
schestowitz Google/Yahoo negotiations back on: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/… But another MS insider: http://kara.allthingsd.com/20081103/… Nov 04 09:38
schestowitz Hard times for Sun… http://news.cnet.com/8301-1… Maybe good for Linux though.. http://www.theregister.co.u… “aimed primarily at getting Solaris shops to move to IBM servers running Linux..” Nov 04 09:53
schestowitz The liars at IDC are out with ‘numbers’ again (/which/ numbers), contradicting figures that over 40% of the sub-notebooks run GNU/Linux: http://www.microsoft-watch.com/conten… Nov 04 10:25
schestowitz Circuit City to Close 155 Stores < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1532… >. Maybe they got VistaChannelStuffed Nov 04 10:32
schestowitz Is Ubuntu killing other distributions? < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/21468/1148/ > Nov 04 10:42
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reverseblade Hey guys Nov 04 13:05
reverseblade YOU ARE BUNCH OF IDIots!! Nov 04 13:05
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schestowitz How not to advocate freedom (anger!): http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IH1LeHHEfts Nov 04 13:38
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schestowitz Failure for the bribing chaps/champs: Intel dumps ultrawideband research < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/… > Nov 04 14:42
schestowitz It’s official: Siemens sells out to Fujitsu < http://www.channelregister.co.uk… > Nov 04 14:46
MinceR good Nov 04 14:49
schestowitz Wait for this. Nov 04 14:49
MinceR i wasn’t too fond of siemens quality. Nov 04 14:49
schestowitz I know you don’t like Apple, so… Apple iPod, iPhone wonk: iQuit? < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008… > Nov 04 14:49
schestowitz More room for the heaps of Linux-powered players. Nov 04 14:49
schestowitz Siemans = corruption and bribery. They are the champs at that. Nov 04 14:49
schestowitz *Siemens Nov 04 14:50
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schestowitz IBM VP of open source says “Requires Silverlight? Err, no thanks.” <http://www.sutor.com/newsite/bl… > He said the same things about Mono, which he wanted removed. Nov 04 15:17
schestowitz Cloud computing cartoon: Nov 04 15:30
schestowitz http://ubersoft.net/files/comi… Nov 04 15:30
MinceR lol Nov 04 15:31
schestowitz “Thin” sounds unhealthy. “Cloud” sounds nice and fluffy. Nov 04 15:32
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twitter I agree, anger is bad.  I like the way RMS delivers the news better. Nov 04 17:13
twitter Then again, I don’t know every audience. Nov 04 17:13
twitter and there are a lot of angry people in the world. Nov 04 17:14
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twitter The netbook article from IDC was a well laid egg.  They planted that Slashdot story yesterday which mistakenly claimed 70% of all Asus EEPCs sold were the XP model.  The real figure given was shipped and that too may have been a lie. Nov 04 18:00
twitter Then a week or two ago they had that big lie about more people returning their Linux netbook than their XP netbook. Nov 04 18:00
twitter Zip, zip, zip, three big lies to keep people away from GNU/Linux. Nov 04 18:01
twitter The real story was that EEEPC sold like hot cakes and people loved them before M$ put their paws on it. Nov 04 18:02
twitter M$ crushed them by corrupting Xandros, Asus, and through their usual retail chain manipulation. Nov 04 18:03
twitter The result was harmful to everyone but M$.  Xandros has gone nowhere.  Asus saw 14.4% less profit this year than last and retail chains are going under left and right. Nov 04 18:04
twitter :) Nov 04 18:08
twitter The trolls were around yesterday.  They tried to attribute Adolf Hitroll to me.  http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?si… Nov 04 18:09
twitter That pretty much confirms that Adolf Hitroll is another nym of the usual suspects. Nov 04 18:10
schestowitz brb Nov 04 18:58
trmanco http://www.bsdstats.org/ Nov 04 19:02
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schestowitz Are preliminary results due by midnight? is MaCain (& Camp) still accusing Obama of being a Bahaii with the middle name Adolf? Or slamming him for visiting his dying granda? Or attributing pigs with lipstick to Palin? Nov 04 19:16
schestowitz tessier: these stats totally leave out OS X users. Good. Nov 04 19:17
schestowitz This is not the end of capitalism < http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/227 > Nov 04 19:27
schestowitz Another BillG fantasy going down (other ones being SPOT watch and Surface, both of which failed): Ray Ozzie ticks off Tablet PC fans < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Ozzi… > Nov 04 19:32
schestowitz http://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t-1… Good thing we have DIRAC. Nov 04 19:55
schestowitz http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/a… “So we decided to catch up with one of the man behind the project, George Wright who is Portofolio Manager at Research and Innovaton. If Flash isn’t your style we have the same video in Mpeg4, Ogg Theora and Ogg Dirac. “ Nov 04 19:56
MinceR why are those provisions bad? Nov 04 19:59
MinceR it seems to me that it merely means that on2 waives its rights to those patents Nov 04 20:00
schestowitz I’m not sure. Defence? Nov 04 20:00
MinceR granted, putting them into the public domain would be preferable Nov 04 20:00
schestowitz Yes Nov 04 20:00
twitter High prices on touch screens have been in M$’s favor because free software rocks there.  I’d love to have a tablet PC and load it with GPE as a window manager for tablet mode. Nov 04 20:08
MinceR i’m waiting for the Eee PC with touchscreen Nov 04 20:09
twitter See the Xandros section on BN today.  M$ has pretty much ruined EEEPC Nov 04 20:10
schestowitz http://www.heise.de/engl… +  http://www.theregister.co.uk… = http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/… Nov 04 20:10
schestowitz Eee PC… they call it “race to the bottom” Nov 04 20:11
schestowitz Then Microsoft pulled them over… raised Eee PC from $200 to $600. Idiocy. Nov 04 20:11
MinceR it’s still the most desirable netbook to me :> Nov 04 20:12
MinceR especially the 901 Nov 04 20:13
MinceR with almost 8 hours of operational time on battery Nov 04 20:13
schestowitz Waste, by design: Is Motorola Trying To Ban Reselling Phones? < http://techdirt.com/articles/200… > Nov 04 20:13
schestowitz And more digital obsolescence: http://techdirt.com/articles/200… Can anyone still buy a HDDVD player to play told films that will ‘expire’? Nov 04 20:14
twitter Your touch screen device comes with the M$ Tax.  Good luck getting it to work with GNU/Linux http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/… Nov 04 20:14
schestowitz MinceR: the machines get as HDD, hungry processor etc. because of Windows. Battery life will suffer universally. What we need to do is wait for ARM. Real soon now… Nov 04 20:15
MinceR the linux version has SSD Nov 04 20:15
schestowitz Yes, but it’s more scarce. Nov 04 20:16
twitter The HD specs can expire your display too.  Staying far away from that whole market.  Going for nice projector/mythTV. Nov 04 20:16
MinceR twitter: that’s not the device i meant… i see little point in these “all-in-one” desktops Nov 04 20:16
twitter I see it as a large Palm device or a small notebook.  I like pen interfaces. Nov 04 20:17
schestowitz DRM ‘champions’ get the axe:  Video games giant to axe 500 jobs < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technolog… > Nov 04 20:17
schestowitz That’s just a month+ after Microsoft had given the boot to Ensemble. Nov 04 20:17
twitter 901 is being phased out, isn’t it? Nov 04 20:17
MinceR it might be Nov 04 20:18
MinceR as it’s under 10″ Nov 04 20:18
schestowitz I still have my Pam Tungsten. Nov 04 20:18
MinceR i have a palm tungsten e2 but it’s dead already Nov 04 20:18
schestowitz It’s good for traveling… full-sized keyboard. Nov 04 20:18
MinceR refused to boot any more after a year and a month Nov 04 20:18
twitter I still have my Handspring Visor and used it till a year ago. Nov 04 20:18
MinceR i have a qtek 9100 Nov 04 20:19
twitter It does not sync well anymore. Nov 04 20:19
MinceR (and a dell inspiron 9400) Nov 04 20:19
MinceR oh, so the Top was the Eee PC that was supposed to have a touchscreen, not a netbook :( Nov 04 20:20
twitter All of my desktop PIM has gone multi file for everything.  To keep track of things on my next job, I’m going to be using my 6 year old Zaurus. Nov 04 20:20
MinceR i’m hoping i can replace the qtek 9100 with a proper linux-based pda/phone soon Nov 04 20:20
twitter Who knows what Asus will do next.  Xandros is probably out of the question but M$ is a sinking ship too.  Asus might turn around after seeing Vista 7. Nov 04 20:23
schestowitz There will be a thin v7 version. Nov 04 20:23
schestowitz Something in iTWire suggested so. Nov 04 20:24
schestowitz So they fragment Vista 7, just like Windows Mobile. Bad choice. Nov 04 20:24
twitter Coke Zero, there’s got to be a good way to compare V7 thin to zero. Nov 04 20:25
twitter You don’t think they can really trim down their restrictions and spyware idiocy to something small and usable do you? Nov 04 20:25
twitter Maybe that’s how they will make demo units … Nov 04 20:26
trmanco http://lwn.net/Articles/305833/ Nov 04 20:26
trmanco Theora 1.0 final release! Nov 04 20:26
twitter cool Nov 04 20:28
twitter Thanks, Roy, for sharing the $200 Asus link  http://www.linuxdevices.com/ne… Nov 04 20:28
twitter That’s encouraging. Nov 04 20:28
trmanco http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ostatic/~3/441… Nov 04 20:30
schestowitz How to resolve poor choice of a platform, which leads to Pentagon zombie PCs? Find a scapegoat, put him/her in Guantanamo Bay…  MPs want UK jail time for hacker < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tech… > Nov 04 20:30
schestowitz http://ostatic.com/176398-blog/goog… “We’ve made the point before that as good as Google’s Chrome browser is, many users will still want to stick with Firefox because of how incredibly useful Firefox extensions are. “ Nov 04 20:31
schestowitz Mozilla prepares final resting place for Firefox 2 < http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/10/31/mozil… > Nov 04 20:31
schestowitz MinceR would *LOVE* that: http://www.pcworld.com/article/153… ( Apple May Cut IPhone 3G Production by 40 Percent ) Nov 04 20:33
schestowitz HypePhone -> HidePhone. Nov 04 20:33
schestowitz Problems With E-Voting Reported Early in Battleground States < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1532… >: The result of Bush-imposed dumbing-down of procurement, leading to Diebold/Windows epic fail. Nov 04 20:35
twitter epic fraud. Nov 04 20:44
twitter Naomi Wolf thinks mass arrests are not far off. Nov 04 20:45
schestowitz Well, some crazy people actually protest against the war, so.. Nov 04 20:46
twitter Guantanamo Bay type prisons have been erected in all 50 states, supposedly for illegal immigrants Nov 04 20:47
schestowitz Chinese people RMS spoke about the other day.. Nov 04 20:48
twitter dissidents have been identified, the lists have been used for further spying.  They can be used for jail. Nov 04 20:49
twitter Can’t have freedom interfering with corporate profits and US conquest. Nov 04 20:52
schestowitz Charles goes for Obama in a long essay: “I hope and think that this man could be Barack Obama.”  < http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.p… > Nov 04 20:56
schestowitz I was impressed to find Gilmore encouraging people to fight the “copyrights cartel”:  http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv262_0… http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv263_03_dan… http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv263_… Nov 04 20:58
twitter Gillmore, a softie? Nov 04 20:59
twitter They usually rail at “content” vendors while doing their every wish.  M$ wants control. Nov 04 21:00
schestowitz No Softie. http://www.dangillmor.com/AboutDan/ Nov 04 21:07
schestowitz Just my typos. Nov 04 21:07
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schestowitz Blod here: http://citmedia.org/blog/ Nov 04 21:08
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schestowitz *Blog Nov 04 21:08
twitter cool stuff.  you would almost expect someone like that to hate copyright. Nov 04 21:09
twitter then again, the only person who could love copyright as it is are MPAA/RIAA types. Nov 04 21:10
twitter Ha ha, Dibold accused of violating GPL  http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl… Nov 04 21:12
schestowitz Many companies violate it. GPL reigns. Nov 04 21:13
schestowitz They need to play nice, otherwise Freedom will kill them in the rear. McAfee and VMware too.. Nov 04 21:13
schestowitz http://ctrambler.wordpress.com/2008/… “I don’t like how Ubuntu is “contributing” to translations. For Slovenian translations it is the distribution with the worst translations. And why this is so? Because they don’t use the high quality translations from upstream, like any other normal distribution does.” Nov 04 22:06
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schestowitz Tech layoffs: The scorecard (updated) < http://news.cnet.com/tech-layoffs… > Nov 04 22:34
schestowitz Scare tactics: What’s in your app? < http://www.gcn.com/onli… > Nov 04 22:44
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  28. [ES] La India Está Teniendo Otra Prueba de los Peligros de las Patentes Occidentales, Debe Aprender a Rechazar Completamente las Patentes de Software en Medio de Gran Presión

    El gigante de software que es la India continua enfrentándos ea la cruel y agresivo cabildeo de Occidente, haciéndo que este controle a la India por patentes que no deberían de existir en primer lugar



  29. [ES] Microsoft Dice que Continuará Extorsiónando a Compañías Que Distribuyan Linux, Usando Patentes de Software Usuallmente

    La guerra de Microsoft contra Linux, una guerra que es peleada usando patentes de software patents (por ganancias y/o por chantáje con arreglos empaquetados), todavía continúa a pesar de todas las tácticas de relaciónes públicas de Microsoft y sus sócios



  30. Alice Continues to Smash Software Patents So Patent Lawyers, Monopolists' Lobbyists Etc. Now Attack the Supreme Court for Doing This

    Corporate lobbyists and patent lawyers are trying to put Alice in the grave, for its impact on software patents is very profound and thus far almost unstoppable


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