11.07.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 6th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 3:59 am by Roy Schestowitz

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tessier	http://www.pseale.com/blog/TheSh…	Nov 06 05:56
tessier	I especially like his “depressing footnote” at the end.	Nov 06 05:56
MinceR	:>	Nov 06 07:08
schestowitz	SharePoiint is not doing as well as Microsoft pretends (Slog tactics). I read an article about it recently.	Nov 06 07:20
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schestowitz	“According to a report published in the science journal Nature, lemming numbers are shrinking thanks to rising temperatures brought on by global warming, putting an end to the population peaks and valleys that have traditionally characterized the species.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/…	Nov 06 08:58
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/… (AMD boots (another) 500 workers)	Nov 06 09:00
schestowitz	Yang to Ballmer: Baby Come Back < http://www.pcworld.com/article/153392/… >. After bullying tactics.	Nov 06 09:10
schestowitz	Android getting as open as OpenMoko, but not voluntarily: http://www.pcworld.com/article/153387/… ( A Jailbreak for Google’s Android )	Nov 06 09:10
kentma	schestowitz: global warming is a major issue… the nature of nature is, well, chaotic - who knows what impact a change in the lemming population might have?	Nov 06 09:11
schestowitz	Here. I mail Asay last night. it’s up now: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3…	Nov 06 09:17
MinceR	geekings	Nov 06 09:29
MinceR	the real windoze keyboard: http://usb.brando.com.hk/zoom.ph…	Nov 06 09:29
schestowitz	Well, better than Apple’s with only a handle bar and one button, but there we go…	Nov 06 09:34
MinceR		Nov 06 09:34
MinceR	the important part is the easy access to ctrl+alt+del	Nov 06 09:34
schestowitz	For task manager?	Nov 06 09:38
MinceR	for that little dialog with the shutdown button and the task manager button	Nov 06 09:44
MinceR	and for repeatedly hitting when the kernel is loudly agonizing :>	Nov 06 09:44
schestowitz	That’s the application switcher: switch or shut down (force kill).	Nov 06 09:45
MinceR	hm, maybe the one referred to happened on 2000 and earlier nt-s	Nov 06 09:48
schestowitz	Haha. Microsoft Tries A ‘First One’s Free’ Strategy To Lure Startups < http://techdirt.com/articles/200… >. He got that right. The Man in the Sweater is now spreading ‘free’ Silverlight in India too.	Nov 06 10:23
schestowitz	LOL Avec sa messagerie et son groupware libre, Open-Xchange lève 9 M$ < http://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actuali… >	Nov 06 10:25
schestowitz	And it has nothing to do with M$, just millions of $$.	Nov 06 10:25
schestowitz	WTF? “Author’s Note: [Hey, Microsoft, just in case you hadn’t considered this whole Compute utility thing before, you need to hire me to design and promote this new concept for you. You know where I am.]” < http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7173 >. Look how he sucks up to them.	Nov 06 10:27
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schestowitz	I just changed my reading cycles. boycottnovell.com got over 100GB in traffic last month and it continues to grow this month.	Nov 06 10:51
schestowitz	Microsoft continues messing about with ASUS, pushing them up to high end and excluding GNU/Linux: “The touchscreen and space-saving design bump the price up in the UK to £449 (US$712), with VAT, above that of some Intel dual and quad-core PCs running much higher hardware specifications, so buyers a paying a premium for simplicity of use.” http://www.pcworld.com/businessce…	Nov 06 10:52
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schestowitz	Yahoo’s Decker On Google Deal and Company’s Future < http://www.webpronews.com/topne… >	Nov 06 11:20
schestowitz	Why is the BBC Running Microsoft Ads? < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008… >	Nov 06 11:36
schestowitz	This is Why I Love Microsoft’s OS < http://www.ubuntu1501.com/2008… >	Nov 06 11:37
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schestowitz	KDE loses Rick as a user http://www.deviceguru.com/intrepi…	Nov 06 12:15
kentma	The BBC’s journalistic integrity on matters Microsoft seems to have evaporated, instead, they present press-releases as “news”, which they’re not. I would like to see the money programme present something on lock-in and how it works…	Nov 06 12:17
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schestowitz	back in moment..	Nov 06 12:29
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bugaloo	hi there	Nov 06 12:33
schestowitz	Hey	Nov 06 12:33
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bugaloo	guys, does anybody know about netware/windows clients?	Nov 06 12:34
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_doug	what do you want to know ?	Nov 06 12:36
_doug	the windows client basically maps directories on the Netware server to fake drive letters on the client ..	Nov 06 12:37
_doug	Netware has a set of extended DOS commands that can then be accessed .. eg Ndir Ncopy etc	Nov 06 12:38
bugaloo	_doug, yes… I have a very particular problem here	Nov 06 12:39
MinceR	132148 <@schestowitz> KDE loses Rick as a user http://www.deviceguru.com/intrepid-ibe…	Nov 06 12:39
MinceR	to a bunch of non-features, no less	Nov 06 12:39
bugaloo	_doug, I’d like to sync the passwords of netware and windows workstations	Nov 06 12:39
_doug	the Netware directories contains extended user attributes	Nov 06 12:39
_doug	these can be manipulated by the Grand and Allow key words ..	Nov 06 12:40
_doug	ahh .. difficult, as MS tried to make Netware not work under Windows ..	Nov 06 12:40
bugaloo		Nov 06 12:40
_doug	What versions of Netware and Windows ?	Nov 06 12:40
bugaloo	novell 6 and windows xp	Nov 06 12:41
bugaloo	everytime the user changes the novell password, windows asks for the workstation password	Nov 06 12:41
bugaloo	we have a problem when an user try to do a login in a workstation that is not used by some time	Nov 06 12:43
bugaloo	so the user can’t remeber the last novell password used on that workstation	Nov 06 12:43
bugaloo	I’d like to make windows login if the novell pass is correct	Nov 06 12:43
_doug	after logging in, click on <CTRL><ALT<DEL>	Nov 06 12:48
_doug	click on change password and change to change and sysn ?	Nov 06 12:48
_doug	sync	Nov 06 12:48
_doug	change and sync your netware and windows password ?	Nov 06 12:49
_doug	I haven’t used it in a long time, but generally you can script these things ..	Nov 06 12:49
_doug	Are you using AD on the windows machines or a PDC ?	Nov 06 12:51
schestowitz	Mentioned yesterday: More ‘Vista Capable’ dirt could leak this week < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1350… >	Nov 06 12:51
bugaloo	sorry, I was out of computer	Nov 06 12:52
bugaloo	I’m not using AD nor PDC	Nov 06 12:52
schestowitz	Binary drugs in Nigeria: http://allafrica.com/stories/200810290613.html “He said the department had partnered with Microsoft for the provision internet access to Shehu Shagari College of Education, Sokoto and secondary schools under the Ministry of Science and Technical Education, as well as the training of 100 staff and 200 teachers of those respective institutions.”	Nov 06 12:54
_doug	does that mean you have to set up a user account on each XP workstation for each user/password combination (pardon my ignorance) ?	Nov 06 12:54
kentma	schestowitz: I wonder for how long Microsoft can afford to keep giving away the family silver	Nov 06 12:54
bugaloo	_doug, yes	Nov 06 12:55
kentma	schestowitz: it’s reminiscent of the casinos taking the aristocrats to the cleaners and back…	Nov 06 12:55
_doug	Client options->advanced login->set windows password synchronization to on .. ?	Nov 06 12:55
bugaloo	_doug, sorry?	Nov 06 12:56
bugaloo	where can I find it? I already tried that options on “N” icon on taskbar	Nov 06 12:57
_doug	sorry, as i said I haven’t used it in a long time ..	Nov 06 12:58
_doug	do you mean you have to login twice ?	Nov 06 13:01
_doug	once for Windows and once again for Netware ?	Nov 06 13:01
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_doug	family silver: as long as it takes .. anything to keep godless communism off their DeskTop .. v	Nov 06 13:06
_doug	http://www.ubersoft.net/	Nov 06 13:06
schestowitz		Nov 06 13:06
schestowitz	I wrote some ‘cloud’ stuff this morning: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/0…	Nov 06 13:07
_doug	I wonder how reliable these huge server farms are going to be. Doesn’t this break the purpose of the InterTUBES, lots of machines spread around in disparate places, so as there is no single point of failure ?	Nov 06 13:09
_doug	I understand there are economies-of-scale at work here .. but technologically it doesn’t make sense ..	Nov 06 13:10
_doug	According to the Beebe they are going to put a data center in Iceland .. cause it’s cold … saves on cooling …	Nov 06 13:11
_doug	good for the planet ..	Nov 06 13:11
_doug	Microsoft MUMPS™ ..	Nov 06 13:15
_doug	http://www.theregister.co.uk/20…	Nov 06 13:15
kentma	availability needs to be maintained at every layer, from the communications links into and out of the site, through power, hot-swapping and automatic failover to the applications servers.	Nov 06 13:18
schestowitz	_doug: they want to melt iceland?	Nov 06 13:19
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schestowitz	_doug: see the Fiji story…	Nov 06 13:20
schestowitz	Microsoft Fiji project upsets military regime : http://informitv.com/articles/2008/06…	Nov 06 13:20
schestowitz	Taking the servers to Iceland is not a solution… not more than toxic garbage can be ’solved’ by having it shipped to Africa. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/arch…	Nov 06 13:22
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schestowitz	They just ‘relocate’ the problems. Unless the aim is to just increase server capacity… in which case overall warning and energy consumption still hardly changes.	Nov 06 13:23
_doug	it isn’t a MS only problem, the problem is what to sell next in a saturated market …	Nov 06 13:25
schestowitz	Linkedin slashes 10 per cent of not-working force < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer… >; Five hundred AMD employees axed < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/new… >	Nov 06 13:25
_doug	VM solutions in huge data farms running Web 3.01 services ?	Nov 06 13:25
schestowitz	Hubris for SweatyB: Microsoft should buy us, says Yahoo chief < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/ne… >	Nov 06 13:25
_doug	negative-growth :>	Nov 06 13:25
schestowitz	Web 3.01? Did 3.0 have worms?	Nov 06 13:26
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schestowitz	wb, twitter	Nov 06 13:26
_doug	is this a hoax “YAHOO BOSS Jerry Yang said he wished Microsoft would buy his company” I though he was dead set against it ?	Nov 06 13:26
_doug	3:01 bet to add a number on, that way people think they are gettig an upgrade	Nov 06 13:27
schestowitz	“That’s right, Obama’s victory… c’est de jamais vu. It’s like Rosa Parks saying: hey, that chair at the White House, I can stay on it too!” <http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&amp… >	Nov 06 13:28
_doug	“The memo said .. reveal that Yang “Yang has agreed to leave his post effective today and that Yahoo is again in late-stage talks to sell the whole company to Microsoft”.”	Nov 06 13:28
_doug	http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/pda…	Nov 06 13:29
_doug	plant plant plant :]	Nov 06 13:29
twitter	ISP decided that I needed a new IP address.	Nov 06 13:29
_doug	hint hint hint	Nov 06 13:29
_doug	“Matt Marshall .. reported an internal Yahoo memo that says Yang is on his way out” HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA	Nov 06 13:30
_doug	reminds me of what happened when Sun signed that deal with MS ..	Nov 06 13:30
schestowitz	They Slogged yahoo.	Nov 06 13:30
_doug	next thing, lots of stories as to the CEO must fall on his sword ..	Nov 06 13:31
schestowitz	From the proxy fights from Icahn to appointments of his ‘buddies’ and false promises.	Nov 06 13:31
schestowitz	Then add the political manipulation (even corruption, IMHO) against the Google/Yahoo deal.	Nov 06 13:31
twitter	Complete corruption.	Nov 06 13:32
schestowitz	There goes my Flickr account… http://flickr.com/photos/62288100%40N00/	Nov 06 13:32
schestowitz	“Download Silverlight to view your photos”	Nov 06 13:32
schestowitz	But, but… I use Microsoft’s #1 rival O/S, which is better… so Microsoft didn’t port The Silver Lie to it…….	Nov 06 13:33
_doug	“Scott McNealy’s reign as chief executive of Sun Microsystems could be coming to an end, say analysts”	Nov 06 13:33
_doug	http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/…	Nov 06 13:33
schestowitz	“Hello. I would like to speak to Mr. Judge Jackson, pls.”	Nov 06 13:33
_doug	hint hint hint hint hint hint hint hint hint hint hint hint hint hint hint hint	Nov 06 13:33
twitter	????!!! Silverlight for Flickr????	Nov 06 13:33
schestowitz	No, I was joking.	Nov 06 13:34
_doug	if it ain’t explicidly illegal - then it’s legal	Nov 06 13:34
schestowitz	http://developers.slashdot.org/article….	Nov 06 13:34
_doug	it’ll be interesting watching them spin this one …	Nov 06 13:37
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schestowitz	Who? Microsoft? The debt they’ll need to issue?	Nov 06 13:38
schestowitz	Microsoft’s Biz Spark is Another Direct Shot at Open Source < http://ostatic.com/176551-blog/microsofts-… >	Nov 06 13:41
_doug	who: Azul, allenw, rastoboy29, anonymous coward …	Nov 06 13:43
schestowitz	harlowmonkeys and funkenadron?	Nov 06 13:44
schestowitz	They did a smear campaign there.	Nov 06 13:44
schestowitz	Gary Stewart et al.	Nov 06 13:44
schestowitz	I must say that COLA trolls have receded recently. No idea as to why, but I hope it stays that way.	Nov 06 13:45
_doug	Adobe criticises chequebook Microsoft ..	Nov 06 13:45
_doug	http://www.guardian.co.uk/technolog…	Nov 06 13:45
twitter	Perhaps the people paying the trolls realized personal attacks were counter productive. I really liked this one, http://developers.slashdot.org/com…	Nov 06 13:46
twitter	If some AC had not have smeared you, I would never have bothered to look you up or have known about Boycott Novell.	Nov 06 13:47
schestowitz	The Library of Congress (public institute) received millions in ‘incentives’ to lock public assets to Microsoft.	Nov 06 13:49
schestowitz	That was corruption at its best.	Nov 06 13:49
schestowitz	Microsoft did the same thing against Blu-Ray, IIRC.	Nov 06 13:50
schestowitz	Director: Microsoft fueling HD wars : http://www.electronista.com/articles…	Nov 06 13:50
schestowitz	Two Studios to Support HD DVD Over Rival : http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/21/technology…	Nov 06 13:50
schestowitz	“Paramount and DreamWorks Animation declined to comment. Microsoft, the most prominent technology company supporting HD DVDs, said it could not rule out payment but said it wrote no checks.”	Nov 06 13:51
schestowitz	http://blog.businessofsoftware.org/…	Nov 06 13:51
schestowitz	\Cringely: “Maybe “mean” is the wrong word to use for Microsoft. “Ruthless” is good. The company is built in the image of Bill Gates and Bill is a guy who gets caught-up in the game of business and doesn’t typically see its personal cost. “	Nov 06 13:52
schestowitz	“To use what might seem to be an obscure example, just look at all the various partnerships and industry consortia that Microsoft has announced through the years that never produced a product or even a usable specification. “	Nov 06 13:52
schestowitz	“There have been literally dozens of these operations that are intended solely to freeze the competition until Microsoft can figure what the heck it actually wants to do. To Microsoft its a PR exercise that helps them compete but to customers it is just a damned lie.”	Nov 06 13:52
schestowitz	“That’s ruthless. There are plenty of other examples I can give but you get the point. I represent the concerns of users, not vendors, and Microsoft doesn’t really care about users. “	Nov 06 13:52
schestowitz	“They have the deepest of pockets, unlimited ambition, and they are willing to lose money for years and years just to make sure that you don’t make any money, either. And they are mean, REALLY mean.”	Nov 06 13:52
MinceR	“helps them compete”? “more like “helps them avoid having to compete”	Nov 06 13:55
schestowitz	“Microsoft, the most prominent technology company supporting HD DVDs, said it could not rule out payment but said it wrote no checks.” —>> Maybe they went to some Larry Goldfarb to write the checks.	Nov 06 13:56
schestowitz	“…Microsoft wished to promote SCO and its pending lawsuit against IBM and the Linux operating system. But Microsoft did not want to be seen as attacking IBM or Linux.” — Larry Goldfarb, investor in SCO	Nov 06 13:56
schestowitz	MinceR: it’s easier to fix the price and drop R&D when there’s no competition.	Nov 06 13:56
MinceR	it makes it possible for a company with no technology of worth to survive.	Nov 06 13:58
schestowitz	Failing that — software patents.	Nov 06 13:59
_doug	gtg ..	Nov 06 13:59
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schestowitz	In this news: http://webcast.broadcastnewsr…	Nov 06 13:59
schestowitz	This company is attacking MS: “Avistar Communications Corporation (Nasdaq: AVSR), a leading provider of unified visual communications solutions, today announced that it has been granted five new U.S. patents this month, including its 92nd patent, U.S. 7,441,001, covering services involving two or more real-time communications services such as text instant message (IM), video IM and Voice over IP (VoIP).”	Nov 06 13:59
*schestowitz drops his Yahoo! RSS feeds (again)		Nov 06 14:01
schestowitz	Microsoft Missing Out on Netbook Growth as Linux Wins Sales < http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news… >	Nov 06 14:04
twitter	going to look a that, thanks.	Nov 06 14:19
schestowitz	BIOS vendor promises simultaneous Linux, Windows sessions < http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/N… >	Nov 06 14:20
schestowitz	http://robertogaloppini.net/200… “For the second time Adobe, Microsoft and members of the OpenOffice.org community will be sitting at the same round table to constructively talk about how to better satisfy users’ needs, bringing some ideas and hopefully future actions.” I left a comment…	Nov 06 14:21
twitter	gahhh, the Bloomberg guy fell for the 30% Linux preload as if that was translating to sales. That’s a very short term number because people know that Netbooks are best with GNU/Linux.	Nov 06 14:24
schestowitz	Ah!	Nov 06 14:25
twitter	Still, it’s better than the usual, “Linux has less than 1% market share” bullshit.	Nov 06 14:25
schestowitz	Microsoft cronyism comes to BN: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/05/oo…	Nov 06 14:25
schestowitz	But the fact that they cronies reply means that they feel the need to defend themselves, therefore there is substance and fear.	Nov 06 14:26
twitter	This is nice but should be taken with a grain of salt, ” Equipping Linux on a computer costs about $5, compared with $40 to $50 for XP and about $100 for Vista, according to estimates by Jenny Lai, a Taipei-based analyst at CLSA Ltd.”	Nov 06 14:26
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twitter	So, is that really Alex Brown or some impostor?	Nov 06 14:36
schestowitz	It’s him	Nov 06 14:37
twitter	How do you know?	Nov 06 14:37
schestowitz	waltz.griffinbrown.co.uk	Nov 06 14:37
schestowitz	Microsoft Jack defends his beloved monopolist at all costs: “Because Microsoft isn’t competitive enough to matter.” < http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/b… >. haha, way to defend Microsoft abuse on the Web.	Nov 06 14:52
trmanco	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?p…	Nov 06 15:06
schestowitz	bbl	Nov 06 15:16
trmanco	bbl?	Nov 06 15:43
MinceR	it means “be back later”	Nov 06 15:45
trmanco	MinceR, oh, OK thanks	Nov 06 15:47
trmanco	just learned a new thing today	Nov 06 15:47
MinceR	yw	Nov 06 15:47
trmanco		Nov 06 16:01
trmanco	-> You’re Welcome ?	Nov 06 16:02
trmanco		Nov 06 16:02
trmanco	brb	Nov 06 16:02
twitter	ut oh, here we go again. http://finance.google.com/finance	Nov 06 16:10
MinceR	indeed	Nov 06 16:12
MinceR	^ trmanco	Nov 06 16:12
trmanco	back	Nov 06 16:19
trmanco	http://linux-foundation.org/weblogs/legal/2007/11/1…	Nov 06 16:29
MinceR	we have yet to see what he means by “universally accessible formats”	Nov 06 16:31
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trmanco	http://osnews.com/story/20498/Mic…	Nov 06 16:59
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Eruaran	Microsoft Offers Start-ups “Free” Software Tools: http://www.crn.com/software/212000788	Nov 06 17:04
Eruaran	“In the fine print on its Web site, Microsoft said that “as a demonstration of Microsoft’s commitment to start-up success, a program fee of $100 is payable on exit from the program rather than up front when joining”	Nov 06 17:05
Eruaran	Thats right… Microsoft expects developers to pay to stop using what they’re offering for “free”…	Nov 06 17:06
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twitter	For universal and open formats Obama refers to the 2002 E-Government act, which basically required a study that should have been produced in 2004. http://www.archives.gov/about/laws… Here is more information http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d10…	Nov 06 17:30
twitter	Cisco hits the skids http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/05/technol…	Nov 06 17:35
schestowitz	trmanco: let’s give a rest to Microsoft vapourware.	Nov 06 17:37
schestowitz	Microsoft market cap down to: 189.74B (Google is 103.96B).	Nov 06 17:39
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schestowitz	IT firms slammed for failing the environment < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/… >	Nov 06 17:57
schestowitz	‘Theft’ of imaginary ‘property’? Ex-Intel man in whole heap of trouble < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqu… >	Nov 06 17:57
schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/article/153411/… “Google is awaiting confirmation that four employees will face charges in Italy for failing to stop the publishing of a video of a disabled teenager being bullied.”	Nov 06 18:10
trmanco	schestowitz, I hace heard that Yang want MS to buy Yahoo!	Nov 06 18:16
trmanco	heard*	Nov 06 18:16
schestowitz	They threatened to sack him.	Nov 06 18:16
trmanco	have* (grr, my hand are freezing)	Nov 06 18:16
schestowitz	Microsoft took over Yahoo from the inside.	Nov 06 18:16
trmanco	maybe I shall stop using ymail	Nov 06 18:17
schestowitz	Ichan+friends+investors whom it probably spoke to+Microsoft employee it pushed into the management from months.	Nov 06 18:17
trmanco	should*	Nov 06 18:17
schestowitz	I dropped my Yahoo RSS feeds this afternoon (there are several). I did this in March, then brought them back around August.	Nov 06 18:17
trmanco	ok	Nov 06 18:18
schestowitz	Microsoft agitated Yahoo for months in order to cause discomfort, cause staff to leave, and lead to a “downward spiral” (Microsoft calls it “tiling in to the death spiral”). Watch the Borland story. Same thing.	Nov 06 18:21
twitter	Pani says he copied the files for his wife, who’s also an Intel employee. The case against him makes no sense.	Nov 06 18:40
twitter	It might be assumed that Pani’s wife would still have access to the same files and could have sent them to her husband and AMD any time.	Nov 06 18:41
schestowitz	I’ve noticed 3 attack on mainstream Linux today. From ‘journos’…	Nov 06 18:41
twitter	Turf, new poison pens or just new and confused users?	Nov 06 18:44
twitter	I gave Gnome a frustrating hour of use yesterday, so I can gripe about a few mainstream things.	Nov 06 18:45
schestowitz	Old FUD	Nov 06 18:46
schestowitz	Author blames “Not being Windows” for behind Hard	Nov 06 18:46
schestowitz	Also, Microsoft tied up (or bribes) OEMs to neglects Windows, so writer concludes Linux is no good.	Nov 06 18:47
twitter	The things I hate about Gnome mostly come from Windows.	Nov 06 18:47
schestowitz	They did this with OLPC too… then tossing mud all over the wall, putting blame on Linux. It’s a slog.	Nov 06 18:47
schestowitz	Goof photo: http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-246795.html	Nov 06 18:48
MinceR	the things i hate about gnome come from apple	Nov 06 18:48
MinceR	starting with the utterly idiotic excuse for an HIG	Nov 06 18:48
twitter	Sweaty B, quote of the week, ” he believed telecommunications operators were smart and would still ask to be paid to carry search.” Good thing the FCC just opened up all that TV spectrum for Google to take over with it’s cool new phone.	Nov 06 18:51
twitter	If Sweaty B does not see that happening with Winblows mobile devices, he’s dumber than I thought.	Nov 06 18:51
MinceR	lol	Nov 06 18:52
twitter	Gnome frustrated me with information hiding. I wanted a graphical sftp client. My computer lead me to a network tool but it was populated with nothing but a Samba browser!	Nov 06 18:52
MinceR	gnome frustrates me with missing functionality	Nov 06 18:53
MinceR	especially their useless panel	Nov 06 18:53
schestowitz	Get kicker for GNOME	Nov 06 18:53
schestowitz	The Konqueror.	Nov 06 18:54
schestowitz	Then Amarok.	Nov 06 18:54
schestowitz	Well, you see where I’m going..	Nov 06 18:54
MinceR	or just get KDE	Nov 06 18:54
twitter	essentially.	Nov 06 18:54
schestowitz	I used to like GFTP	Nov 06 18:54
schestowitz	But only because Konqueror didn’t seem to do SFTP in KDE 3.1	Nov 06 18:54
MinceR	i’ve never managed to build a connection with gftp	Nov 06 18:54
twitter	oh yeah, I forgot about that. is it still around?	Nov 06 18:55
schestowitz	*gfrp (typo)	Nov 06 18:55
schestowitz	*blch. sftp	Nov 06 18:55
MinceR	getting KDE has the added bonus of having a sane button order on dialogs	Nov 06 18:55
schestowitz	twitter: another thing sftp was good at is threading. It was fast.	Nov 06 18:55
twitter	whatever they have could not replace Konqueror	Nov 06 18:56
schestowitz	LOL “Hi, Roy, So, does this apply to the monkeys that decided to replace hospital’s information infrastructure with MS products, or is he gunning for Gates himself? http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news… “	Nov 06 18:58
twitter	Nautilus also frustrates me with a lack of modularity. I’d like to try it out, but calling it also calls up their whole desktop thing which is not fun in E16.	Nov 06 18:58
schestowitz	A Seattle hospital became a massive botnet 2 years ago.	Nov 06 18:59
MinceR	last time i tried nautilus it crashed when i clicked on the first zip file i saw	Nov 06 18:59
MinceR	then i didn’t touch it again	Nov 06 18:59
schestowitz	“Microsoft discontinues Windows 3.x licensing…watch out Vista.. It’s clear that Microsoft has finally recognized that Vista hasn’t lived up to Microsoft’s own hype.” < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1384… >.	Nov 06 19:02
schestowitz	Desktop Linux FUD arriving from Preston Gralla, David W, Alex Zaharov and Gorden Haff (no links, just taking notes though). One of them is a big Microsoft fan, probably begging for freebies (it sure gives that impression based on history).	Nov 06 19:04
schestowitz	Veoh lays off 20 percent of workforce < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-100… >	Nov 06 19:26
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ZiggyFish1	It’s funny that there is so many “new” features in Windows 7, that are already in Linux.	Nov 06 19:39
schestowitz	The Telegraph, unlike MSBBC, says it like it is: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finan… “…in an attempt to attract the latest generation of programmers away from Open Source rivals like Linux.”	Nov 06 19:42
schestowitz	Vista is a copycat of OS X. Vista7 is the excavation of KDE features. What will Microsoft copy next? Bill Gates, Microsoft: “Hey, Steve, just because you broke into Xerox’s store before I did and took the TV doesn’t mean I can’t go in later and steal the stereo.”	Nov 06 19:43
ZiggyFish1	lol	Nov 06 19:46
ZiggyFish1	I wonder if they will finally (a feature that all MS Windows versions lack) implement multiple desktops?	Nov 06 19:47
schestowitz	That might confuse users. They had it in Longhorn, IIRC, but they put it in the dumpster because it was a mess. Instead, they threw DRM and some junk at XP and renamed it Vista. As for multiple desktops, bear in mind that the company’s CEO still uses an Excel spreadsheet as his diary. Talk about Mickey Mouse…	Nov 06 19:50
ZiggyFish1	A lot of people love (non tech savy) the Multiple desktop thing.	Nov 06 19:52
MinceR	lol	Nov 06 20:01
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seller_liar	Hello roy	Nov 06 20:22
seller_liar	Is apche harmony suscreptible to eee ?	Nov 06 20:23
schestowitz	Not that I know of. Bu it’s mainly a problem to Linux.	Nov 06 20:25
seller_liar	for example	Nov 06 20:25
seller_liar	apache is a bsd java implementation	Nov 06 20:25
seller_liar	m$ can support apache harmony ,add proprietary extensions,and after ignore apache harmony	Nov 06 20:26
seller_liar	Intel is a very smart company	Nov 06 20:26
schestowitz	I approached this differently.	Nov 06 20:26
seller_liar	intel helps apache harmony	Nov 06 20:27
schestowitz	The danger to Apache is more linkage to the Microsoft stack	Nov 06 20:27
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schestowitz	Intel also helps SpikeSource.	Nov 06 20:27
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seller_liar	spike source?	Nov 06 20:27
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schestowitz	Intel helps Microsoft in many ways. It also has some Linux projects…and anti-OLPC war… also ARM and AMD are is targets	Nov 06 20:28
schestowitz	seller_liar: search for spikesource in BN	Nov 06 20:28
seller_liar	also ,intel is trying to stop the competition	Nov 06 20:28
seller_liar	ok	Nov 06 20:28
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schestowitz	http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozc…	Nov 06 20:28
seller_liar	intel is releasing another technologies	Nov 06 20:28
seller_liar	like ssds	Nov 06 20:28
seller_liar	intel is trying a complete domination over PC technology	Nov 06 20:29
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seller_liar	VGAs ,ssds,wireless,modem	Nov 06 20:29
schestowitz	Intel: “oh noes… we lose profit [see their SEC filing]… we don’t want to lose employees… it’s our God-granted right to make money, so let’s break the law.”	Nov 06 20:29
seller_liar	this is very bad for society	Nov 06 20:29
schestowitz	seller_liar: graphics cards too.	Nov 06 20:30
seller_liar	schestowitz: yes I know	Nov 06 20:30
schestowitz	Sound, GPU, CPU, Wi-Fi, storage, and they also have moblin.. (Linux)	Nov 06 20:31
seller_liar	schestowitz: I’m bit worried	Nov 06 20:31
seller_liar	schestowitz: intel is very dangerous	Nov 06 20:31
seller_liar	schestowitz: What we can do?	Nov 06 20:31
schestowitz	The behaviour is dangerous.	Nov 06 20:31
schestowitz	They attacked Apple and ARM recently (with words)	Nov 06 20:32
schestowitz	They already dumped, bribed and used FUD tactics to attack a charity… so there’s no mercy therew.	Nov 06 20:32
seller_liar	schestowitz: I’m not buying intel anymore	Nov 06 20:32
schestowitz	I don’t either.	Nov 06 20:32
schestowitz	I warn people about them too. http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/up…	Nov 06 20:33
seller_liar	schestowitz: heheh, yes,I know about of crimes of intel	Nov 06 20:33
schestowitz	http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=m…	Nov 06 20:33
seller_liar	schestowitz: Novell supports wine indirectly	Nov 06 20:33
schestowitz	I labeled Intel all sorts of things, mainly “charity killer” about 1.5 years ago.	Nov 06 20:33
seller_liar	schestowitz: look at mono faq	Nov 06 20:33
schestowitz	News :http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqu… ( Redhat and AMD migrate VMs across CPUs )	Nov 06 20:34
seller_liar	schestowitz: yes, the ms_intel plan	Nov 06 20:34
schestowitz	Microsoft makes Intel happy	Nov 06 20:34
schestowitz	Take ‘netbooks’ (Intel only), then pump up the specs by pressuring companies like ASUS	Nov 06 20:34
schestowitz	1 year later it’s goodbye to $100 or $200 PCs and now it’s about $500	Nov 06 20:35
schestowitz	And Intel intimidated the rising MIPS giants in China… with $98 laptops running GNU/Linux.	Nov 06 20:35
schestowitz	If you find more Intel corruption, post it here.	Nov 06 20:35
seller_liar	schestowitz: ok	Nov 06 20:35
schestowitz	I syndicated news for “Intel” for years… until I stopped Yahoo news (Microsoft bid).	Nov 06 20:36
seller_liar	look	Nov 06 20:37
seller_liar	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Harmony	Nov 06 20:37
seller_liar	intel supports	Nov 06 20:37
seller_liar	the working code, including the Swing, AWT and Java 2D code which were contributed by Intel.	Nov 06 20:38
schestowitz	What might be the motives?	Nov 06 20:38
seller_liar	supports java proprietary in moblin maybe	Nov 06 20:39
seller_liar	patents	Nov 06 20:39
schestowitz	Which patents?	Nov 06 20:40
schestowitz	Isn’t Moblin more of an umbrella for other vendors? They use Fedora now, not Ubuntu, which they dropped.	Nov 06 20:40
schestowitz	They also have the Ballnuxes.http://boycottnovell.com/2008/…	Nov 06 20:41
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/… “That’s the very same guy who brags about intellectual property “peace of mind”, i.e. payments to Microsoft for imaginary software patents. “	Nov 06 20:42
seller_liar	I do not know ,maybe apache licenses do not support protection against patents	Nov 06 20:42
seller_liar	Is Microsoft helping Novell with this project? Until September of 2007 there was no no high level communication between Novell and Microsoft, but engineers who work on .NET or the ECMA groups have been very friendly, and very nice to answer our questions, or clarify part of the specification for us. In September 2007 an agreement between Microsoft and Novell opened the doors to collaboration specifically on	Nov 06 20:42
seller_liar	This is truue?	Nov 06 20:42
seller_liar	Will Mono allow me to run Microsoft Office on Linux? No, it will not. Microsoft Office is a Windows application. To learn more about running Windows applications on Intel UNIX systems refer to the Wine Project (http://www.winehq.com).	Nov 06 20:43
seller_liar	novell likes wine	Nov 06 20:43
schestowitz	seller_liar: you think they want to cross-license?	Nov 06 20:43
seller_liar	http://www.mono-project.com/FAQ:_General	Nov 06 20:43
schestowitz	Brazilian victim of USPTO tyranny: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DAGFIvu9Efs http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0LQqx-gp9e8	Nov 06 20:44
MinceR	“if you want to run windows applications on intel unix systems, refer to your microsoft priest about blasphemy.”	Nov 06 20:44
seller_liar	No ,I do not know, but intel indirectly libertinous licenses	Nov 06 20:44
*MinceR misses the verb		Nov 06 20:44
schestowitz	I put it in BN last year: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hUFToA-3pF8 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bUtsr5wR3sY	Nov 06 20:44
seller_liar	because of weak nature	Nov 06 20:44
seller_liar	schestowitz: I was thinking	Nov 06 20:48
seller_liar	is very strange linus release a blog	Nov 06 20:49
seller_liar	and linux foundation releasing a donation campaign	Nov 06 20:49
seller_liar	Fear of losing the open monopoly	Nov 06 20:49
seller_liar	The cause is probably OpenSolaris and Sun	Nov 06 20:50
seller_liar	I support OpenSolaris because sun the same game which linux foundation does	Nov 06 20:50
seller_liar	And more	Nov 06 20:51
seller_liar	linux foundation uses a lot of evil people (hitler (IBM) ,judas(novell))	Nov 06 20:51
schestowitz	Rebuttal to the Vista7 trolls: http://linuxcanuck.wordpress.com…	Nov 06 20:52
seller_liar	Ibm does not like sun	Nov 06 20:52
schestowitz	Donation campaign?!?!	Nov 06 20:52
seller_liar	yes	Nov 06 20:52
schestowitz	seller_liar: Solaris and Sun are weak.	Nov 06 20:52
seller_liar	schestowitz: users can pay for linux foundation	Nov 06 20:53
schestowitz	IBm collaborates with Sun now.	Nov 06 20:53
seller_liar	schestowitz: but I support solaris because linux foundation supports a lot of bad compannies	Nov 06 20:53
schestowitz	They work on ODD (many announcements this week) and not they bring OpenSolaris to mainframes.	Nov 06 20:53
schestowitz	Companies have no friends, they have /interests/	Nov 06 20:53
schestowitz	LOL	Nov 06 20:54
seller_liar	and sun is a very good company	Nov 06 20:54
schestowitz	User to pay this /FRONT/?	Nov 06 20:54
schestowitz	Linux Foudnation?	Nov 06 20:54
seller_liar	schestowitz: yes!	Nov 06 20:54
schestowitz	What’s next? Donations to OIN?	Nov 06 20:54
seller_liar	schestowitz: users can pay for linux foundation	Nov 06 20:54
schestowitz	LMAI!!	Nov 06 20:54
seller_liar	schestowitz: wait a moment	Nov 06 20:54
schestowitz	Paying for Zemlin to say “respect Microsoft!”	Nov 06 20:54
seller_liar	http://www.linux-foundation.org/weblogs/pres…	Nov 06 21:00
schestowitz	More of the Linux defeatism, imposed by bribed bloggers: http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/1…	Nov 06 21:01
seller_liar	they do the same what fsf does	Nov 06 21:02
seller_liar	the user pay something and receives a memership account	Nov 06 21:02
schestowitz	Vista7: like Vista all over again, with early fans saying it would be great. The Paul Thurrots and Enderles of the world…	Nov 06 21:02
seller_liar	http://linux-foundation.org/weblogs/press/2008…	Nov 06 21:03
seller_liar	schestowitz: m$ freezes the market with stupid windowz seven sins	Nov 06 21:04
schestowitz	WTF? http://torvalds-family.blogspot.co…	Nov 06 21:05
schestowitz	seller_liar: Vista7 is false advertising at best… just Vista with makeup, but the media was bribed by Microsoft to hype it up	Nov 06 21:06
seller_liar	schestowitz: linus have created this blog for conquer people and spread your ideology	Nov 06 21:06
schestowitz	This way people have hope and they wait… Microsoft calls it “freezeing the market”. They got sued for it.	Nov 06 21:06
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schestowitz	WTF is that? http://zerias.blogspot.com/2008/1…	Nov 06 21:13
schestowitz	Microsoft’s invasion of Apache:” Friday’s keynote sees Sam Ramji of Microsoft present his keynote entitled struct.new(”future”, :open, :microsoft). The providers of the live streaming are also making available other presentations from ApacheCon 2008 on a fee basis.” < http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/Apa… >	Nov 06 21:16
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seller_liar	Red hat employer is creating a new X server called wayland	Nov 06 21:31
seller_liar	I do not know if is compatible with opensolaris	Nov 06 21:31
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