| twitter | time for dinner | Nov 21 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | "The Wall Street Journal has the disturbing figures* of the outrageous executive compensation (over 5 years) for those whose companies had major market value declines." < http://technocrat.net/d/200... > | Nov 21 01:59 |
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| schestowitz | "Representatives from General Motors, Chrysler and Ford were in Washington, D.C. over the last couple days to try and convince Congress or the White House to give them a $25 billion bridge loan." < http://technocrat.net/d/... > Public to pay for corruption? What is this, communism? | Nov 21 02:01 |
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| schestowitz | "If you were looking for some good news out of Dell today as it reported its fiscal 2009 third quarter financial results, you will probably be disappointed." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/2... | Nov 21 02:05 |
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| neighborlee | so did it work ,,man I hope not..I think id' rather help those jobless folks with funds than give more money to corrupt companies that knowingly kept fuel standards low and ceo salaries high...but either way its going to cost us all alot of money o_0 | Nov 21 02:06 |
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| neighborlee | I tend to feel good about the bankruptcy option but hey ;)..if it was some little guy that is exactly what would happpen | Nov 21 02:06 |
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| neighborlee | and if bailing out a given industry lately is any sign of things to come, no thanks let them do bankruptcy..I mean look what aig did with our money by having some ritsy party at some expensive hotel for some managers etal..again I say no thanks to using our money for god knows what next...let them fail and re invent themsleves. | Nov 21 02:08 |
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| schestowitz | My cousin had his explanation that he sent me 2 hours ago. | Nov 21 02:09 |
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| schestowitz | "The downfall started with corruption but the money was so huge, all the important people in power positions who understood what was going on, protected their domain. Nobody had the conviction that the bubble would explode in their face." | Nov 21 02:09 |
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| schestowitz | "Wall Streeters enabled Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to bundle loan packages that were traded as securities." | Nov 21 02:09 |
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| schestowitz | "The trouble was the loans were made to unqualified borrowers whose credit worthiness was falsified and inflated by crooked real estate brokers. The housing market collapsed, banks tightened up (too late) and then the ripple effect became a whirlpool dragging the nation's economy under water." | Nov 21 02:09 |
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| schestowitz | "Obama can't keep his promises. For him it will be like trying to extinguish a fire with gasoline. Disappointment will set in and finally the media will need to place the blame on the president." | Nov 21 02:09 |
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| schestowitz | "The Republicans regain the presidency in 2012 and the economy starts coming back making them look like heroes." | Nov 21 02:09 |
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| schestowitz | He's a Republican by the way. Blech. | Nov 21 02:10 |
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| neighborlee | of course..the man who offers to usher in hope for those whom before had near zero and for tolerance and smart government , along with getting our world respect back and everyone healthy with national health care, but surely not be able to keep his promises and having faith that he wont be able to is prob. indicat ive of a desire that he does fail..oh wait yes you said your cousin is a republican <grins> | Nov 21 02:12 |
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| neighborlee | afa that goes,,obama is going for unification, not division as evidence by his talks with mcCain , hillary etal, and the alcaida statement that blew up in their faces,,,yeah I guess obama is looking shakey ;)) | Nov 21 02:14 |
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| neighborlee | Al-Qaeda LOL | Nov 21 02:15 |
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| twitter | crazy talk from the cousin | Nov 21 02:16 |
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| twitter | good night. | Nov 21 02:16 |
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| neighborlee | :) gn | Nov 21 02:19 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Nov 21 02:27 |
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| MinceR | greetings and salutations | Nov 21 08:46 |
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| schestowitz | What a couple of loser.... "Singers Daryl Hall and John Oates have sued their music publisher, claiming they failed to protect their rights to their 1982 hit Maneater." < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi... > | Nov 21 09:36 |
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| schestowitz | OSNews is trashes. Thom H submits bucketloads of Microsoft vapourware. It might make one think that Microsoft did something to him.... | Nov 21 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=... | Nov 21 11:35 |
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| MinceR | http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?si... | Nov 21 11:38 |
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| MinceR | http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0... | Nov 21 11:39 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: I rebutted: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/1... | Nov 21 11:40 |
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| MinceR | thx | Nov 21 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | Do you think this is appropriate for BN? http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=r4... | Nov 21 11:40 |
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| MinceR | is the audio from ballmer? | Nov 21 11:44 |
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| schestowitz | VMware keeps shedding off key staff, kind of like Yahoo and ISO: ihttp://www.pcworld.com/article/15428... . The concern is that Microsoft might be putting its cronies its place. | Nov 21 11:44 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: of course not (the audio). It's too rude, isn't it? | Nov 21 11:44 |
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| MinceR | i think it's pointless | Nov 21 11:44 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 21 11:44 |
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| Eruaran | hi | Nov 21 11:58 |
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| Eruaran | Paul Krill regurgitating MS-Novell propaganda (advertising participation): http://www.linuxworld.com.au/article/267869/micro... | Nov 21 11:59 |
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| Eruaran | Where does he get his quotes from happy customers extolling the virtues of MS-Novell ? From the MS-Novell "interop" site of course... | Nov 21 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Nov 21 12:01 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Nov 21 12:02 |
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| schestowitz | That's Wintel press for ya.. | Nov 21 12:02 |
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| Eruaran | Its just pathetic... Does he really think readers are that stupid ? | Nov 21 12:05 |
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| Eruaran | Or is it just that he's stupid and M$-NVL need to find better quality stooges ? | Nov 21 12:05 |
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| zoobab_ | http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/0... | Nov 21 12:06 |
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| Eruaran | I think I've just realised where all Microsoft's R&D money goes... | Nov 21 12:06 |
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| schestowitz | Marketing. | Nov 21 12:07 |
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| schestowitz | It's also a lie. | Nov 21 12:07 |
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| schestowitz | I saw your comment in the Seattle P-I and quoted it | Nov 21 12:07 |
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| Eruaran | Oh really ? | Nov 21 12:08 |
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| Eruaran | hah | Nov 21 12:08 |
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| schestowitz | Situation: "Web developers hears that Silverlight is no-no for Linux, googles for 'Silverlight Linux' and finds Microsoft's promotional lies, then chooses Silver Lie" | Nov 21 12:08 |
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| schestowitz | I quoted you here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/19/mi... | Nov 21 12:09 |
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| schestowitz | It's a Big Lie. If Microsoft and Its Turfs repeat it often enough, it'll be believed that Silver Lie is 'cool' with Linux users. | Nov 21 12:09 |
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| Eruaran | ah I forgot I posted that | Nov 21 12:10 |
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| schestowitz | I'm going to do another post about it. | Nov 21 12:10 |
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| schestowitz | Moonlight is poison. Fedora won't touch it. | Nov 21 12:11 |
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| schestowitz | And yet they pretend that it's all cool. "Here, drink some poison, it's good for you.." | Nov 21 12:11 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Nov 21 12:11 |
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| Eruaran | That guy who thinks maybe I'm a sock puppet on twitter under another name is wrong | Nov 21 12:13 |
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| Eruaran | I have a twitter username... Its umm, "Eruaran" | Nov 21 12:13 |
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| Eruaran | I don't hide behind multiple names and proxies | Nov 21 12:14 |
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| Eruaran | And all "Eruaran" is my real name, Jeremy, in elvish... :P | Nov 21 12:15 |
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| Eruaran | Its good cause just about the only place I've found anyone else already using that name is on youtube (yes, someone on youtube already nabbed it... I couldn't believe it, I thought I was so clever but no) | Nov 21 12:16 |
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| schestowitz | They accuse all opposition of coming from the same source | Nov 21 12:19 |
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| schestowitz | They also attack people for citing BN as critic of Mono and try to make it seem like there is a single source of opposition. | Nov 21 12:19 |
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| schestowitz | Never mind Groklaw... never mind Fedora... | Nov 21 12:19 |
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| schestowitz | I'll do a post about this in a few minutes. | Nov 21 12:20 |
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| Eruaran | OASIS seems to be getting a bit of support | Nov 21 12:20 |
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| schestowitz | From who? | Nov 21 12:21 |
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| schestowitz | Re: ODF? | Nov 21 12:21 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Nov 21 12:21 |
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| Eruaran | http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/O... | Nov 21 12:22 |
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| Eruaran | Oh wait | Nov 21 12:23 |
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| Eruaran | Wrong article | Nov 21 12:23 |
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| Eruaran | There's another one I read earlier about ODF as well | Nov 21 12:23 |
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| Eruaran | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,100000... | Nov 21 12:24 |
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| Eruaran | http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_... | Nov 21 12:25 |
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| schestowitz | Oh yeah.. that's a bit old. | Nov 21 12:26 |
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| schestowitz | I got newer bits last night. | Nov 21 12:26 |
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| Eruaran | yes I guess | Nov 21 12:26 |
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| schestowitz | See http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/20... | Nov 21 12:26 |
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| schestowitz | I've just mailed some people about it | Nov 21 12:27 |
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| Eruaran | ah yeah, I had only skimmed through that before | Nov 21 12:27 |
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| schestowitz | I want IBM to give Novell the boot | Nov 21 12:27 |
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| Eruaran | IBM seem very active | Nov 21 12:29 |
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| Eruaran | Backed up their words concerning ISO with action. | Nov 21 12:30 |
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| schestowitz | Lobbying for swpats?? | Nov 21 12:30 |
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| schestowitz | Well, let's hope the commission slaps MS | Nov 21 12:30 |
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| Eruaran | On open formats | Nov 21 12:30 |
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| schestowitz | I hear that they are still on the fence. | Nov 21 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | EU should have embargoed Microsoft long ago. | Nov 21 12:31 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Nov 21 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | It would have the message come across, but Microsoft has too many crones in govt | Nov 21 12:31 |
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| Eruaran | Are they due to say somethign soon ? | Nov 21 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | Just watch the Begian, Norwegian and French country leaders | Nov 21 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | There's this secret in the in indusry where companies can 'appoint' leaders that are puppets | Nov 21 12:32 |
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| schestowitz | Been done in the UK for ages... | Nov 21 12:32 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: I don't know | Nov 21 12:32 |
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| Eruaran | They can't do it forever though | Nov 21 12:32 |
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| Eruaran | You end up with the whole industry lining up against you | Nov 21 12:32 |
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| Eruaran | And eventually politicians see value in siding with the other side | Nov 21 12:33 |
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| Eruaran | I think the voice of an entire industry in a policitians ear saying, "we don't support you" gets louder than the voice of a convicted monopolist bearing gifts. | Nov 21 12:34 |
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| Eruaran | eventually... | Nov 21 12:34 |
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| Eruaran | bbs | Nov 21 12:36 |
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| Eruaran | KDE 4.2 is sounding good | Nov 21 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | Disgusting: London Hospital back online after computer virus shutdown | Nov 21 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11... "Computer systems at three major London hospitals are largely back online on Friday morning, three days after a major computer virus outbreak forced staff to disconnect the network." | Nov 21 13:06 |
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| Eruaran | :O | Nov 21 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: liked Aaron's snapshots from the nightly (taskbar) | Nov 21 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | I also did some bug reporting with KDE this morning. | Nov 21 13:07 |
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| Eruaran | cool | Nov 21 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | had to install gdb and do some backtracing. | Nov 21 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | But.. I mess up my inbox in the process. Nothing too serious though. | Nov 21 13:08 |
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| Eruaran | Some nice little surprises, like improvements to kmail | Nov 21 13:08 |
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| schestowitz | KNODe | Nov 21 13:09 |
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| Eruaran | Kwin gets the cube :P | Nov 21 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://bugs.kde.org/show_b... | Nov 21 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | Cube... I like it. I have it in KDE 3.5 | Nov 21 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | But I hardly do free-hand spinning. I just see animation rotations when I hit CTRL+Fx | Nov 21 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | It's a very ;large dual-head, so the framerate isn't amazing. | Nov 21 13:10 |
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| Eruaran | ah | Nov 21 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | I can slice it to 2 cubes. | Nov 21 13:11 |
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| Eruaran | I don't actually mind the desktop grid, I find it useful | Nov 21 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | It's very confusing when you slice the display ans wrap it onto multiple cubes, but it impresses people. | Nov 21 13:12 |
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| Eruaran | and.... | Nov 21 13:13 |
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| schestowitz | It's funny how Windows users reacting to modern GNU/Linux desktop. They are speechless. | Nov 21 13:13 |
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| Eruaran | yay for a real systray in 3.2 | Nov 21 13:13 |
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| schestowitz | They should rename it | Nov 21 13:13 |
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| Eruaran | err | Nov 21 13:13 |
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| Eruaran | 4.2 | Nov 21 13:13 |
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| schestowitz | It makes it sounds like KDE is Windows imitation | Nov 21 13:13 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Nov 21 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | Windows is KDE for kidz | Nov 21 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | Just the 'basic' stuff | Nov 21 13:14 |
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| Eruaran | do what M$ does and call it the SUPERtray | Nov 21 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | Adolescent Windows gets some addons for focus switching, but it can never have powerful free applications and sability | Nov 21 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | I hope KDE doesn't spend too much time with other platform | Nov 21 13:15 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Nov 21 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | *platforms. Brazil shows that patience pays off and KDE lands where it belongs. | Nov 21 13:15 |
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| Eruaran | Aaron mentioned recently they've had 2 bug reports from people running Plasma on Windows | Nov 21 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | [Debian] | Nov 21 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they can use help from the Chinese committers then. | Nov 21 13:16 |
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| schestowitz | Why would anyone run KDE on Windows. I don't get it. | Nov 21 13:16 |
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| schestowitz | Got a Windows licence? Yes? | Nov 21 13:16 |
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| schestowitz | Then use VirtualBox | Nov 21 13:16 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Nov 21 13:16 |
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| Eruaran | I dunno | Nov 21 13:16 |
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| schestowitz | use GNU/Linux with KDE, put Windows in a box where it belongs. | Nov 21 13:16 |
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| schestowitz | Sandboxing the viruses and cr*p too | Nov 21 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | Imagine virus-compatible KDE | Nov 21 13:17 |
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| Eruaran | But I do like the fact that if you want to run KDE apps on Windows, their dependencies are on Qt KDE libraries and not on .NET or some Windows dependant crap | Nov 21 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | OT: "Prime minister Gordon Brown has spoken about the Gary McKinnon extradition case for the first time, supporting the principle of repatriation of sentenced prisoners while declining to get into the specifics of the case, which remains under judicial review." http://www.theregister.co.uk/200... | Nov 21 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | That's like Microsoft pardoning hackers, but it doesn't. | Nov 21 13:18 |
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| Eruaran | Is he the same guy who said he was looking for UFO stuff ? | Nov 21 13:19 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 21 13:19 |
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| Eruaran | haha | Nov 21 13:19 |
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| schestowitz | The scapegoat | Nov 21 13:19 |
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| schestowitz | If he had wiped their machines, that's another thing | Nov 21 13:19 |
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| Eruaran | I remember his comment when they asked him if he was on drugs | Nov 21 13:19 |
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| schestowitz | he highlighted a flaw. better him than the Chinese intelligence. | Nov 21 13:19 |
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| schestowitz | [which got into the Pentagon anyway] | Nov 21 13:19 |
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| Eruaran | He said yes he was stoned at the time, and if he wasn't stoned he would have gotten in much faster | Nov 21 13:20 |
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| schestowitz | It seems like all militaries now break into everybody else's, thanks to the flaw du jour in Win32 | Nov 21 13:20 |
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| Eruaran | I thought that was classic | Nov 21 13:20 |
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| schestowitz | *LMOA* Government still losing at least a computer a week < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/21/... > | Nov 21 13:20 |
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| Eruaran | I couldn't believe they were using Windows in the first place | Nov 21 13:20 |
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| Eruaran | Can you say, "Military Intelligence" ? | Nov 21 13:21 |
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| schestowitz | If I have someone put my details on the computer, I ALWAYS assume it will be shared, as in leaked. It always does. It's like thinking that DRM can prevent a song from becoming DRMless... | Nov 21 13:21 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Nov 21 13:21 |
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| Eruaran | same | Nov 21 13:21 |
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| Eruaran | I noticed a cool feature available in Coreboot recently | Nov 21 13:21 |
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| Eruaran | Which some of our clients will be interested in | Nov 21 13:22 |
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| schestowitz | If your doctor has your medical record, assuming it's out there in torrent available for all. | Nov 21 13:22 |
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| schestowitz | I suppose you read about the BNP? | Nov 21 13:22 |
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| Eruaran | BNP ? | Nov 21 13:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/2... | Nov 21 13:22 |
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| schestowitz | Yay!!!!!!!!!!1 Let's make more DBs!! More information.... more secure???? | Nov 21 13:22 |
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| Eruaran | lol | Nov 21 13:23 |
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| Eruaran | Did you know with Coreboot you can dump RAM on shutdown ? | Nov 21 13:23 |
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| Eruaran | contents of RAM | Nov 21 13:23 |
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| Eruaran | We have a client that is a law firm who very much like that | Nov 21 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | Infuriating: Computer virus brings London hospital networks to a standstill < http://www.heise.de/english/newsti... > | Nov 21 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | I wrote about it and Carla put it in LinuxToday (seems as though she reads BN) | Nov 21 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | Most of our readers are lurkers. | Nov 21 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | Probably over 90% | Nov 21 13:25 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Nov 21 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | That all comes back to security | Nov 21 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | Law firms that use Windows might as well leak or put up their docs on the site | Nov 21 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | 40% of the world's 'PCs' (read: Windows) are said to be zombies. | Nov 21 13:26 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Nov 21 13:26 |
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| Eruaran | The only Windows systems they have a virtual ones | Nov 21 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | Just give an IP address... chance of 1 in 2 that you can get in through the trapdoor | Nov 21 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | I joke about Windows being rented *and * also shared | Nov 21 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | First, the user must share the PC with Microsoft. | Nov 21 13:26 |
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| Eruaran | lol yes | Nov 21 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | Even if automatic updates are disabled, Microsoft ignores the flag. | Nov 21 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | And then there are the cybercrooks one shares the PCs with. | Nov 21 13:27 |
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| Eruaran | serverside updates | Nov 21 13:27 |
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| Eruaran | Windows update is retarded | Nov 21 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | There were botnet wars where criminals threatened each other for stealing 'zombie territories' | Nov 21 13:27 |
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| Eruaran | We regularly have people who come to us thinking there's something wrong with their Windows systems | Nov 21 13:28 |
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| schestowitz | Just pray that 'your' botmaster doesn't start playing the ransomware game on you. | Nov 21 13:28 |
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| Eruaran | Apart from the fact that they run Windows | Nov 21 13:28 |
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| schestowitz | [or deleted your HDD] | Nov 21 13:28 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug is frustrated with colleagues who say they "hate computers" | Nov 21 13:28 |
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| schestowitz | "You mean Windows," he says | Nov 21 13:29 |
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| Eruaran | Its just Windows update trying to update something the user doesn't even have installed... so it gives them a fail dialogue | Nov 21 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | The Autie Beeb encourages the thinking that computer=Windows. Like it's bolted onto the chips | Nov 21 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | And viruses can infect h/w... and pass on to other installations... which is why people with malware-infested PCs often BUY NEW ONES | Nov 21 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | WGA is a crucial application now. | Nov 21 13:30 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft did some 'test runs' in China last month. Black Screen of Death we call them... | Nov 21 13:30 |
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| Eruaran | WGA is retarded | Nov 21 13:30 |
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| schestowitz | It's preparing for extortion of the userbase. | Nov 21 13:30 |
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| Eruaran | All it does is annoy and waste our time | Nov 21 13:30 |
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| schestowitz | Mass extortion, and "patent terrorism" (Sun's phrase), followed by litigation | Nov 21 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | Bill Gates: “They’ll get sort of addicted, and then we’ll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade.” | Nov 21 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | Same with Mono | Nov 21 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | “They’ll get sort of addicted [to Mono apps], and then we’ll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade.” | Nov 21 13:31 |
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| Eruaran | We crack licenced Widnows systems simply because we dont have time to talk to some guy in a call centre in Karachi to get a crippled system working... its faster to crack it... were to busy to play musical phone calls with Microsoft | Nov 21 13:33 |
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| Eruaran | *too busy | Nov 21 13:33 |
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| schestowitz | Yahoo to seek an alliance with AOL instead of a takeover by Microsoft? < http://www.heise.de/english/newsti... > | Nov 21 13:33 |
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| Eruaran | Didn't they already try that ? | Nov 21 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 21 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | They are like a 50-year-old woman trying to get a date | Nov 21 13:34 |
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| Eruaran | M$ will go into debt if they buy Yahoo! | Nov 21 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | No. | Nov 21 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | You missed it... | Nov 21 13:34 |
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| Eruaran | oh ? | Nov 21 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | They might already be in it: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/20... | Nov 21 13:35 |
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| Eruaran | ooer | Nov 21 13:36 |
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| Eruaran | oh yes | Nov 21 13:36 |
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| Eruaran | I hadn't read that yet | Nov 21 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | No? | Nov 21 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | It's not news | Nov 21 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft the KING OF MONEY is a naked emperor | Nov 21 13:37 |
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| Eruaran | oh | Nov 21 13:37 |
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| Eruaran | I thought they still had cash | Nov 21 13:37 |
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| schestowitz | It used the press to sell a different image, just like with Windows | Nov 21 13:37 |
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| schestowitz | Apple has more cash than Microsoft. | Nov 21 13:37 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Nov 21 13:37 |
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| Eruaran | about 24b | Nov 21 13:37 |
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| schestowitz | Google will soon have more cash than Microsoft (maybe already the case) | Nov 21 13:37 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is throwing 40bn at the stock to save it from drowning | Nov 21 13:38 |
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| schestowitz | Taking debt | Nov 21 13:38 |
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| schestowitz | *Loan | Nov 21 13:38 |
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| Eruaran | I thought Google had more cash in their cafeteria | Nov 21 13:38 |
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| schestowitz | All they have left is code and 'IP' | Nov 21 13:38 |
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| schestowitz | That's why Myhrvold exists. | Nov 21 13:38 |
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| Eruaran | M$ is the next SCO | Nov 21 13:38 |
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| schestowitz | And Gates is now aligning with the trolls he created | Nov 21 13:38 |
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| schestowitz | To coerce better competition like Red Hat, using extortion or litigation | Nov 21 13:39 |
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| twitter | Good morning. Novell is the next SCO. | Nov 21 13:39 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: it is. PJ has said this for a long timew | Nov 21 13:39 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Nov 21 13:39 |
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| schestowitz | "Microsoft is the next SCO Group" --PJ | Nov 21 13:39 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: Novell is Microsot's tool. | Nov 21 13:39 |
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| schestowitz | It's used to 'plant the code in Linux' | Nov 21 13:39 |
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| twitter | SCO is Microsoft's tool. | Nov 21 13:39 |
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| Eruaran | I wasn't quite willing to say that myself until this week. | Nov 21 13:39 |
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| twitter | *was | Nov 21 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | Rather than putting actual /CODE/ irt puts /IP/ in it | Nov 21 13:40 |
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| Eruaran | hello twitter | Nov 21 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | Mono, Moonlight, MOOX, etc | Nov 21 13:40 |
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| twitter | hello | Nov 21 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | Here's a crazy thought: Novell using the "UNIX" ownership to carry on SCO's action... after the community turns bitter about SUSE... | Nov 21 13:41 |
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| Eruaran | I'd say to Microsoft, "you want Mono ? You got it, and you can have Miguel as well, he spends most of his time in Redmond anyway". | Nov 21 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | [just hypothetical and crazy /] | Nov 21 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | And still fueled by Microsoft coupons money. | Nov 21 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | As I wrote recently, SCO too has its 'Linux' and it contributed to Linux before suing the whole world. | Nov 21 13:42 |
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| twitter | SCO does owe Novell money now. | Nov 21 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | Better! | Nov 21 13:42 |
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| Eruaran | I'm not sure I'm willing to believe Novell is quite that dumb... no... wait | Nov 21 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | More money for NOVL | Nov 21 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | That's like a father leaving inheritance for the child | Nov 21 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | "Here. Novell. Have some money that we got from Baysta^H^H^H^H^H^Hrosoft... carry on the good job" | Nov 21 13:43 |
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| Eruaran | I remember that article someone wrote when Novell first got into bed with Microsoft | Nov 21 13:43 |
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| Eruaran | Said they had a dream | Nov 21 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 21 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | Novell came /TO/ Microsoft | Nov 21 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | Not the other way around | Nov 21 13:43 |
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| Eruaran | They were surrounded by fire and brimstone... and there was a broken sign that said "ell" | Nov 21 13:43 |
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| Eruaran | And then he turned and looked and saw the other half of the sign that said, "Nov" | Nov 21 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | SCO Also Used to Contibute to Linux, Just Like Novell < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/16/... > | Nov 21 13:44 |
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| Eruaran | I thought that was rather amusing and right on the money | Nov 21 13:44 |
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| twitter | What's worse is that all of the parties can collude to keep SCO going as long as possible before Novell is used for new litigation against Red Hat and others. | Nov 21 13:44 |
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| Eruaran | Good point Roy | Nov 21 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | You never know.. | Nov 21 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | Here's the thing | Nov 21 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | We remember people (or companies) base don present | Nov 21 13:45 |
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| twitter | Both Novell and SCO were powerful competitors that M$ destroyed and then used against free software. | Nov 21 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | We remember SCO as SCO the bastard, ot Caldera | Nov 21 13:45 |
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| Eruaran | I've seen enough to know you can never say "never"... | Nov 21 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | Novell's management is changing | Nov 21 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | It gets more like Microsoft | Nov 21 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | It attacks Red Hat now. | Nov 21 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | Sun is furious too. Novell attacks Sun's OOo | Nov 21 13:46 |
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| twitter | SCO did some ground breaking work with Winblows compatibility. | Nov 21 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | Trust me, I hear from people | Nov 21 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | Novell is the Judas of UNIX/Linux | Nov 21 13:46 |
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| Eruaran | Novell will go down | Nov 21 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | It's ripping everyone off | Nov 21 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | SLERT is just RHEL's work | Nov 21 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | Go-OO is a theft of Sun's labour | Nov 21 13:46 |
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| Eruaran | They'd be up against an irate worldwide community as well as Red Hat, IBM, Sun, etc... | Nov 21 13:47 |
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| schestowitz | With Microsoft addons like font, OOXML, Mono, VB.. | Nov 21 13:47 |
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| Eruaran | yea | Nov 21 13:47 |
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| Eruaran | I detect a little help from Redmond there | Nov 21 13:47 |
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| Eruaran | Infect now, claim later | Nov 21 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/16/contibut... http://boycottnovell.com/2007/05/... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/18/nov... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/13/mi... | Nov 21 13:48 |
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| twitter | Infect Novell, use Novell as a lawsuit proxy till destruction, inherit Microsoft Linux from Novell. | Nov 21 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/03/ron... The banner of BN if prophetic. Maybe Hovsepian can become a Microsoft VP one day. | Nov 21 13:49 |
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| Eruaran | There is one thing we can be certain of | Nov 21 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | IBM isn't happy with Novell either, but IBM is a big company | Nov 21 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | I had IBM people showing me this. | Nov 21 13:49 |
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| Eruaran | That every time Ballmer opens his mouth, Microsoft's share value will fall. | Nov 21 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | He's there to sink it. | Nov 21 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | From a comment in http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/05/b... "Who cares about deposed or not. Let’s see some hard jail time for Gates, Ballmer, Allchin and company." | Nov 21 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | "The normal procedures often don’t apply to special cases, such as treason, which could be relevant here, depending on how deep the investigation is allowed to go into M$ records." | Nov 21 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11... "Regarding Ballmer, he’s never seemed qualified to be manager of anything let alone a high executive of a large company. His main qualification was having a college buddy that could hook him up with a cushy job. | Nov 21 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | " | Nov 21 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | "MS probably is not profitable. Gates bailed as CEO in 1998 when the company ran a loss. Enron-style record keeping has kept the investors in the dark since then." | Nov 21 13:52 |
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| Eruaran | I've actually been willing to stick my neck out in front of clients (in a credibility sense) and tell them that Microsoft's shareholders will want Ballmers head on a plate within 12 months. | Nov 21 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | Ballmer the next Yang? | Nov 21 13:52 |
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| Eruaran | Ballmer, the next Ballmer. | Nov 21 13:53 |
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| Eruaran | I think Yang could do a better job as CEO of Microsoft than Ballmer. >:D | Nov 21 13:53 |
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| schestowitz | On Ballmer and being fires (long): http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05... | Nov 21 13:55 |
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| schestowitz | *fired | Nov 21 13:55 |
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| Eruaran | *listens to the crickets*... Ok, maybe that was going a little too far :P | Nov 21 13:55 |
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| twitter | The Yes Men need to nail M$. | Nov 21 13:56 |
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| schestowitz | No need. Microsoft does it itself. | Nov 21 13:56 |
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| twitter | As M$FT sinks to new lows, they should hold a special press conference. | Nov 21 13:56 |
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| schestowitz | The bigger issue is Microsoft cauing havoc while it's drowning. | Nov 21 13:56 |
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| *_doug (n=_doug@unaffiliated/confignak) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 21 13:56 |
| _doug | hi there .. | Nov 21 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | "Patent terrorism" (Sun term), ruining companies, making people miserable with Vista, etc | Nov 21 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: we talked about you earlier. | Nov 21 13:57 |
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| Eruaran | hi _doug | Nov 21 13:57 |
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| twitter | Steve Ballmer to announce M$'s new emergency plan, but he can't make it.... Then a representative announces that all M$ code is GPL'd | Nov 21 13:57 |
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| _doug | What exactly is wrong about Silverlight on Linux ? | Nov 21 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | Top secret. Can't tell. | Nov 21 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, Silverlight? | Nov 21 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | Mono. | Nov 21 13:57 |
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| twitter | M$ donates $10 billion dollars to OLPC. | Nov 21 13:57 |
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| Eruaran | umm | Nov 21 13:58 |
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| _doug | What did you say about me ?? | Nov 21 13:58 |
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| Eruaran | Silverlight isn't on Linux | Nov 21 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: what? | Nov 21 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | Joke, right? | Nov 21 13:58 |
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| _doug | Silverlight On the Way To Linux | Nov 21 13:58 |
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| _doug | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?... | Nov 21 13:58 |
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| twitter | I'm making it up. | Nov 21 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Nov 21 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has money for that sort of stuff anymore | Nov 21 13:58 |
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| twitter | It's what M$ should do. | Nov 21 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | It can hardly afford Yahoo | Nov 21 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | The loaners would tell them to piss off. | Nov 21 13:58 |
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| Eruaran | You think GPL'd Windows could compete with GNU/Linux ? | Nov 21 13:58 |
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| twitter | M$ can not afford to be a non free company, they should give it up. | Nov 21 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: no, too much mess. | Nov 21 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft can't rely on devs helping Microsoft. | Nov 21 13:59 |
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| Eruaran | schestowitz: exactly | Nov 21 13:59 |
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| twitter | GPL'd Windows can do whatever the community wants with it. | Nov 21 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | Developers at large hate Microsoft. | Nov 21 13:59 |
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| Eruaran | What communityh | Nov 21 13:59 |
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| _doug | "the public beta of Moonlight -- a runtime library for Linux supporting sites that expect Silverlight -- is expected within days" | Nov 21 13:59 |
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| twitter | If it's free, there'd be no reason to hate it. | Nov 21 13:59 |
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| Eruaran | GNU/Linux was made by developers | Nov 21 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | Some tolerate Apple, but only Microsoft's groupies 'help' WIndows with documentation in exchange for gifts | Nov 21 13:59 |
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| _doug | Please take our poison pill .. | Nov 21 14:00 |
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| schestowitz | In which case help ain't free, i.e. Microsoft /pays/ for help.. | Nov 21 14:00 |
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| Eruaran | Microsoft will never GPL Windows so the speculation is moot | Nov 21 14:00 |
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| twitter | It is not speculation, it is a demand. | Nov 21 14:00 |
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| _doug | "Moonlight not only displays graphics, but handles keyboard responses in real-time, which is vitally necessary for gaming" | Nov 21 14:00 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: yes, they hate GPL | Nov 21 14:00 |
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| schestowitz | They have their own MS-controlled Gpl [sic] | Nov 21 14:01 |
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| schestowitz | g/pl | Nov 21 14:01 |
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| Eruaran | schestowitz: yes, and furthermore they aren't going to disclose incriminating code | Nov 21 14:01 |
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| twitter | You know, the usual unconditional surrender demand. | Nov 21 14:01 |
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| schestowitz | version 1 of the licence may seem harmless. Version 2? Who knows. | Nov 21 14:01 |
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| twitter | GPL your code or die. | Nov 21 14:01 |
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| twitter | The market is doing it to them. | Nov 21 14:01 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft: EEEing the GPL | Nov 21 14:01 |
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| Eruaran | It is a dead certainty that there are GPL violations, patent violations and copyright violations in Microsoft's code | Nov 21 14:02 |
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| Eruaran | They will never release it | Nov 21 14:02 |
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| schestowitz | 1. Make a copy; 2) Move developers to $copy 3)Exatnd $copy [...] 5) Lock-in! | Nov 21 14:02 |
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| twitter | I'm sure they tried to participate in GPL3 by proxy. | Nov 21 14:02 |
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| schestowitz | Same with Ruby | Nov 21 14:02 |
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| schestowitz | Remember RubyIron and how Microsoft took control of the .NET Ruby push with its OWN LICENCES!! | Nov 21 14:02 |
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| twitter | GPL3's process was robust enough to deal with M$ interference. All free processes must be. | Nov 21 14:02 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: if by participate you mean mock it by proxy | Nov 21 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | They used all their usual shills | Nov 21 14:03 |
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| Eruaran | Microsoft's culture of "borrowing" other people's work, restrictive proprietary licensing, and threats goes all the way back to the 1970's. | Nov 21 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | ACT... | Nov 21 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | ISC, IIRC | Nov 21 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | CompTIA... I'm not sure though. | Nov 21 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | They also paid some professor/s to mock GPLv3 | Nov 21 14:04 |
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| schestowitz | Of course there was no clear disclosure. | Nov 21 14:04 |
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| schestowitz | Classic 'study' routine. | Nov 21 14:04 |
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| twitter | GPL3 was an open, community effort. I imagine M$ spammed the lists. | Nov 21 14:04 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Nov 21 14:04 |
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| schestowitz | As long as the company behaves like a Bunch of Gangsters [(R)Slated], there's no hope for change. | Nov 21 14:04 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: go ahead and dig in the lists | Nov 21 14:05 |
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| schestowitz | Some say that BSD guys added poison too. | Nov 21 14:05 |
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| schestowitz | I saw some of that, but I can't find a link to MS | Nov 21 14:05 |
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| twitter | I'd rather not chase ghosts. | Nov 21 14:05 |
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| Eruaran | I'm with Linus on the BSD guys. | Nov 21 14:05 |
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| twitter | I do not care if gangsters use GPL'd code. | Nov 21 14:05 |
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| twitter | The point is to deliver software freedom. | Nov 21 14:05 |
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| twitter | Gangsters need to be punished for their crimes. | Nov 21 14:06 |
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| Eruaran | Gangsters only use "GPL'd" code to deliver patent bombs. | Nov 21 14:06 |
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| schestowitz | Volish CFO Chris Liddell had planned on the move since his firm’s offer to buy out Yahoo, which Mighty-Soft had planned to pay for partly through debt. But since the Micro-hoo deal is no longer on the table (or at least, that’s what Steve Ballmer would have us believe), it seems curious the Vole is still pushing ahead on the bond issue." | Nov 21 14:06 |
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| schestowitz | From http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/new... | Nov 21 14:06 |
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| twitter | One good way to punish M$ for it's monopoly abuse would be to GPL all of their code. | Nov 21 14:06 |
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| schestowitz | Chris Liddell came from the paper industry. Maybe he's still messing about with papers then... | Nov 21 14:07 |
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| twitter | M$ will do this on their own or fail as they are. | Nov 21 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | Like the people who were there before him... and ran away | Nov 21 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | Charles [something] blew the whitstle on their fraud. | Nov 21 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | The judge was convinced enough to let this move forward and Microsoft paid Charlied $4 to STFU, piss off, and burn all the evidnece. | Nov 21 14:08 |
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| twitter | I'm with RMS about software freedom. It needs to be defended but the goal is to eliminate software slavery. | Nov 21 14:08 |
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| schestowitz | And everyone lives happily ever after. | Nov 21 14:08 |
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| schestowitz | Kind of like the US economy for the past 20 years... let it blow up later. | Nov 21 14:08 |
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| schestowitz | brb | Nov 21 14:09 |
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| twitter | Heh, gas prices fall below $2/gallon. Too bad everyone is fired. | Nov 21 14:10 |
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| Eruaran | Those falling fuel prices are a massive price fixing scam | Nov 21 14:10 |
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| twitter | At first I thought it was the usual election day gasoline discount. | Nov 21 14:10 |
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| twitter | Now I think it's collapsing from a real lack of demand. | Nov 21 14:11 |
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