11.29.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 28th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:49 am by Roy Schestowitz

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GoblinRFD	Sorry got distracted there. This is not a clear picture, but this was my first pc. Take a look at the shape of the cpu	Nov 28 00:25
GoblinRFD	http://www.pixelworld.pixnet.fr/?lnk=a…	Nov 28 00:25
GoblinRFD	and then look at this:	Nov 28 00:25
GoblinRFD	http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/galac…	Nov 28 00:27
MinceR	gn	Nov 28 00:44
GoblinRFD	gn	Nov 28 00:57
PetoKraus	GoblinRFD: http://www.atarimuseum.com/computers/…	Nov 28 00:58
schestowitz	gn	Nov 28 00:58
PetoKraus	that was my first, between 1994-1997	Nov 28 00:59
GoblinRFD	1994-1997?	Nov 28 01:01
GoblinRFD	i thought the xl was older	Nov 28 01:02
GoblinRFD	84-87?	Nov 28 01:02
PetoKraus	yes, it was	Nov 28 01:04
PetoKraus	i’ve got my first “real” pc in ‘99, it was Pentium 166…	Nov 28 01:04
PetoKraus	i managed to work on that until 2005 or so	Nov 28 01:04
PetoKraus	FUN	Nov 28 01:04
schestowitz	2005?	Nov 28 01:05
schestowitz	I had a 400Mhz AMD till then (laptop)	Nov 28 01:05
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PetoKraus	then it was AMD 64 3000+, if i recall correctly	Nov 28 01:08
PetoKraus	it’s sad to see how the machine eventually gets slower and slower	Nov 28 01:08
PetoKraus	by the time it was perfect, almost top-of-the-notch	Nov 28 01:08
*PetoKraus np: Aerosmith - Sweet Emotion (Toys In The Attic)		Nov 28 01:10
*schestowitz goes to bed. Will post in BN in the morning (BLACK Friday…BWAHAHAHAH!!!)		Nov 28 01:13
GoblinRFD	gn	Nov 28 01:24
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MinceR	r4wr	Nov 28 09:17
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suselover	hi	Nov 28 10:28
kentma	hi	Nov 28 10:34
suselover	sup?	Nov 28 10:35
kentma	nowt	Nov 28 10:36
suselover	novell cool	Nov 28 10:37
kentma	Linux is now in 94% of top 500 supercomputers - amazing.	Nov 28 10:37
MinceR	that’s a pretty weak attempt at trolling, suselover	Nov 28 10:37
MinceR	it should be 100%	Nov 28 10:37
schestowitz	MinceR: probably will be soon.	Nov 28 10:38
schestowitz	They still virtualise some.	Nov 28 10:38
MinceR	sadly, cray has sunk to new depths and helping microsoft with its marketing stunt	Nov 28 10:38
schestowitz	I betcha Microsoft pays sites to deploy that clusterfsck experiment which is Windows for HPC	Nov 28 10:38
MinceR	i bet that too	Nov 28 10:38
schestowitz	Cray is like Corel and Novell… miserable company hoping for a lifeline in the Vole	Nov 28 10:39
schestowitz	Some sites accepted Microsoft’s offer and tried Windows Clusterfsck Edition. They soon dumped it and went back to the GNU. It’s funny how Microsoft behaves…	Nov 28 10:39
schestowitz	Microsoft is like the promiscuous girl trying to find a guy by sleeping with many… but nobody stays. They leave the next morning. As long as Windows is an amateur operating system with little emphasis on large deployment, no amount of special deals will change the status quo.	Nov 28 10:41
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MinceR	hm, not a persistent troll	Nov 28 10:42
MinceR	thankfully.	Nov 28 10:42
schestowitz	What does “nat” mean?	Nov 28 10:43
MinceR	Network Address Translation	Nov 28 10:44
schestowitz	Is this him? http://www.linkedin.com/pub/3/992/82	Nov 28 10:44
MinceR	i guess freenode knows the address suse NAT-s their clients to	Nov 28 10:44
schestowitz	mmaher@suse.de	Nov 28 10:45
MinceR	might well be	Nov 28 10:45
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MinceR	http://www.engrish.com//wp-content…	Nov 28 12:29
schestowitz	That apple is a turnoff on the face of it.	Nov 28 12:34
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_doug	ping …	Nov 28 14:07
_doug	OpenSUSE EULA ..	Nov 28 14:08
_doug	“This agreement permits you to distribute unmodified copies of openSUSE 11.1 using the ‘openSUSE’ trademark”	Nov 28 14:08
_doug	http://en.opensuse.org/Open…	Nov 28 14:08
schestowitz	Yes, they try to claim victory	Nov 28 14:08
Eruaran	hello guys	Nov 28 14:08
schestowitz	Hey, Eruaran	Nov 28 14:08
Eruaran	are any of you on twitter ?	Nov 28 14:09
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_doug	What’s on Twitter ?	Nov 28 14:11
Eruaran	me	Nov 28 14:12
MinceR	TMI	Nov 28 14:13
_doug	I’m too connected already …	Nov 28 14:13
Eruaran	whoops just had a plasma crash	Nov 28 14:14
schestowitz	Not me.	Nov 28 14:14
kentma	plasma crash?	Nov 28 14:16
Eruaran	briefly	Nov 28 14:16
Eruaran	hmm	Nov 28 14:18
kentma	what’s a plasma crash?	Nov 28 14:18
Eruaran	every time I try to connect with Twitter, Plasma crashes	Nov 28 14:19
kentma	ahh, I was seeing plasma as an ionised superheated cloud	Nov 28 14:19
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Eruaran	I’ve just been fiddling with widgets and things and realised how lame and unadventurous my desktop is	Nov 28 14:21
Eruaran	time to kill the panel and be creative methinks	Nov 28 14:22
kentma	have fun	Nov 28 14:23
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mib_2nxo45	Dear Boy. I was trying to comment on one of your newer “articles” but apparently your “MySQL server has gone away”. Any chance you fix this?	Nov 28 14:36
schestowitz	Hey there.	Nov 28 14:37
mib_2nxo45	hello.	Nov 28 14:37
schestowitz	mib_2nxo45: did you try hitting back and “submit” again? It usually works the second time.	Nov 28 14:37
mib_2nxo45	yes - it’s the same error. “MySQL server has gone away” with a whole lotta mysql statements if apparently fails to execute.	Nov 28 14:38
schestowitz	Eeek. Let me try	Nov 28 14:38
schestowitz	I’ve just tried and it worked.	Nov 28 14:39
schestowitz	It gets flaky when there’s heavy load on the site.	Nov 28 14:39
*mib_2nxo45 retries		Nov 28 14:39
schestowitz	I wish it could be resolved without the host being the cause. Copy the message, refresh page if necessary, the try again. Sorry about that…	Nov 28 14:40
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Eruaran	meh, after all that farting around	Nov 28 15:19
Eruaran	I just made another panel and put everything back on it again	Nov 28 15:19
Eruaran		Nov 28 15:19
schestowitz	Oh, Plasma?	Nov 28 15:20
Eruaran	yes	Nov 28 15:20
schestowitz	You lost contents?	Nov 28 15:20
Eruaran	damn cool though	Nov 28 15:20
Eruaran	no	Nov 28 15:20
schestowitz	Oh, OK	Nov 28 15:20
Eruaran	I was just fiddling	Nov 28 15:20
schestowitz	I thought crashing lost some datsa	Nov 28 15:20
Eruaran	nah	Nov 28 15:20
schestowitz	Intel makes me sick: Intel Calls EU Antitrust Probe ‘discriminatory and Partial’ < http://www.pcworld.com/article/154630/.html… >	Nov 28 15:20
schestowitz	There should be a Linux-like response for Intel	Nov 28 15:21
Eruaran	grabbing a widget and simply dropping it on the panel is very nice	Nov 28 15:21
schestowitz	Intel is funding Linux just to create a h/w monopoly	Nov 28 15:21
schestowitz	But that’s like saying that Microsoft makes Windows fat to secure Intel’s CPU monopoly	Nov 28 15:22
schestowitz	Far O/Ses require high end CPUs… no ARMs…	Nov 28 15:22
MinceR	i’d support RISC-based PC-s	Nov 28 15:22
schestowitz	/sFar/Fat/	Nov 28 15:22
Eruaran	ARM based devices seem quite powerful	Nov 28 15:22
schestowitz	For mobiles.	Nov 28 15:22
schestowitz	Because Microsoft and Apple set ’standards’ in fat desktops	Nov 28 15:23
Eruaran	BenQ is releasing new products in February	Nov 28 15:23
schestowitz	I think Apple negotiated with.. was it ARM or just AMD?	Nov 28 15:23
schestowitz	No Cell for them anyway… no IBM anymore.	Nov 28 15:23
schestowitz	February? Where’s the date seen?	Nov 28 15:23
Eruaran	BenQ is releasing an Apple-like PC in a monitor	Nov 28 15:23
schestowitz	It’s a Linux/Firefox tablet, IIRC	Nov 28 15:23
schestowitz	Oh, that..	Nov 28 15:24
Eruaran	Got an email today from BenQ	Nov 28 15:24
Eruaran	Yes, Linux or Windows XP	Nov 28 15:24
Eruaran	No Vista	Nov 28 15:24
schestowitz	Whottt?	Nov 28 15:24
schestowitz	No Vista	Nov 28 15:24
schestowitz	Hehe.	Nov 28 15:24
schestowitz	You beat me to it.	Nov 28 15:24
schestowitz	Well, Vista is still ‘new’… you know, like a 2-year-old..	Nov 28 15:24
schestowitz	Or as Ballmer put it after 1.5 years in the wild… it’s “work in progress”	Nov 28 15:25
schestowitz	3 months later it was Vista 7 that was ”work in progress”	Nov 28 15:25
Eruaran	BenQ is inviting feedback from us	Nov 28 15:25
schestowitz	Microsoft should be like Google… labeling everything “Beta”	Nov 28 15:25
Eruaran	My feedback is, “can I haz Linux on the non-crappy one ?”	Nov 28 15:25
MinceR	all versions of windows are either “work in progress” or “end of life”	Nov 28 15:26
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MinceR	microsoft never had any software of beta quality	Nov 28 15:26
schestowitz	IBM does?	Nov 28 15:26
MinceR	dunno	Nov 28 15:26
Eruaran	BenQ will be offering low powered devices perfect for folks who just want to check their email and surf the web, general stuff…	Nov 28 15:26
MinceR	i’ve heard os/2 was good in its time	Nov 28 15:26
MinceR	(i suppose as good as a cp/m clone can be anyway)	Nov 28 15:27
MinceR	(even if it’s a protected mode cp/m clone)	Nov 28 15:27
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2… “Bennett told the Manchester Media Festival that Ross had “agreed to reduce swearing in his television show after that incident”.”	Nov 28 15:27
Eruaran	It was better than Windows at least	Nov 28 15:27
schestowitz	Maybe the MSBBC can -buy- license that patent from the Vole	Nov 28 15:27
schestowitz	Better in terms of marketing too?	Nov 28 15:28
schestowitz	Microsoft is still a marketing company. Same with Apple.	Nov 28 15:28
schestowitz	Both use the lawyers extensively as well… for Apple it seems like a new thing.	Nov 28 15:28
MinceR	yeah, little microsoft is trying to learn from big microsoft.	Nov 28 15:29
MinceR	as it sees the big one dying.	Nov 28 15:29
MinceR	wanting to take its place.	Nov 28 15:29
schestowitz	Sometimes they develop too… or ‘offshore’ it to Toshiba (Zune)… or try to do it themselves (XBox360) only to see 67% defect rate	Nov 28 15:29
schestowitz	McKinnon protests: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/2…	Nov 28 15:30
schestowitz	Maybe they’ll send him to Guantanamo bay for all that TERROR~1. :-p	Nov 28 15:31
schestowitz	Good people fo good things… http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/28/po… … and arrested under TERROR~1 excuse…	Nov 28 15:34
schestowitz	“The leaks are believed to include: revealing that Jacqui Smith knew the Security Industry Authority had given licenses to 5,000 illegal immigrants, that an illegal immigrant was working as a cleaner in the House of Commons and a letter from Jacqui Smith warning that a recession would likely lead to an increase in crime.”	Nov 28 15:34
schestowitz	Lots about the Commission today. Toast to regulation! European Commission consults on class action lawsuits < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/28… >	Nov 28 15:42
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schestowitz	The NOVL shenanigans passed this lie as a press release in Dutch (total deception): http://www.persberichten.com/persbericht.a…	Nov 28 16:40
trmanco	LOL	Nov 28 16:41
trmanco	Portugal has Wintroll fanboism of its own you know	Nov 28 16:41
schestowitz	AllofAfrica get lazy and just post Novell PR verbatim as though it’s an article cough: http://allafrica.com/stories/2008…	Nov 28 16:42
schestowitz	trmanco: yes, someone told me	Nov 28 16:43
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/12/fulls…	Nov 28 16:43
trmanco	Talkken?	Nov 28 16:43
schestowitz	No, I can’t say	Nov 28 16:45
trmanco	oh, but did you see the site that I have in mind now?	Nov 28 16:46
trmanco	it is awful and disgusting	Nov 28 16:46
trmanco	stupidity at its highest level	Nov 28 16:46
schestowitz	Yuckaa!! “According to Gartner (2), ISV enthusiasm has always been a major driver behind OS success. This enthusiasm helps generate demand for in-vogue products, which in turn stimulates yet more ISVs to increase their focus.”	Nov 28 16:46
schestowitz	[From Novell's PR BTW]	Nov 28 16:46
schestowitz	Gartner, Gartner.. PLEASE, we beg you, give us a QUOTE!	Nov 28 16:47
Eruaran	“enthusiasm” is what they call it eh ?	Nov 28 16:47
schestowitz	Oh, quote, O precious quotes! It’s from Gartner. We can frame it.	Nov 28 16:47
Eruaran	I got enthusiasms…	Nov 28 16:47
schestowitz	Stamped by Gartner. Therefore APPROVES . PTO.	Nov 28 16:47
schestowitz	Can I haz Gartner quotta?	Nov 28 16:48
schestowitz	IT’s from here: http://www.persberichten.com/persbericht.asp…	Nov 28 16:48
schestowitz	Also here: http://www.hotfrog.nl/Companies/Yellow-Communic…	Nov 28 16:48
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schestowitz	This makes me angry:	Nov 28 16:53
schestowitz	http://it.tmcnet.com/topics/it/articles/46339-g…	Nov 28 16:53
schestowitz	Stupid pseudo journalists stick an ‘article’ label on Novell press releases.	Nov 28 16:53
schestowitz	It’s a generation of robo-journo.	Nov 28 16:53
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trmanco	http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/	Nov 28 16:55
trmanco	cool	Nov 28 16:55
trmanco	it has been updated	Nov 28 16:55
schestowitz	Sys-con is meanwhile spamming the news as usual.. http://symbian.sys-con.com/node/749658 .. see if you can spot Novell there.	Nov 28 16:55
seller_liar	schestowitz: Hey roy	Nov 28 16:56
seller_liar	schestowitz: I have a good ebook about m$	Nov 28 16:56
Omar87	schestowitz: According to you recent posts regarding Mono, Novell, and Microsoft, do you suggest that this is something to be worried about? I mean is it getting seriously threatening?	Nov 28 16:56
schestowitz	seller_liar: http://boycottnovell.com/microsoft-c…	Nov 28 16:56
schestowitz	Omar87: it ought to be removed.	Nov 28 16:56
schestowitz	if people want Mono, it’s a click away	Nov 28 16:57
schestowitz	putting it there by default is dangerous and improper	Nov 28 16:57
MinceR	schestowitz: nice. do you have other such ’special’ pages too?	Nov 28 16:57
Omar87	schestowitz: Yeah, that’s true.	Nov 28 16:57
schestowitz	People deserve an explanation of Mono and what it means. It doesn’t deserve precedence as default apps sety	Nov 28 16:57
schestowitz	*set	Nov 28 16:57
seller_liar	http://www.amazon.com/Just-Say-No-M…	Nov 28 16:57
seller_liar	this book	Nov 28 16:57
schestowitz	MinceR: yes, hold on	Nov 28 16:57
seller_liar	I can send you ,But I do not know if this is a copyright infringement	Nov 28 16:58
schestowitz	julia makes this: http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/i…	Nov 28 16:58
schestowitz	seller_liar: I wrote about Intel this morning: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11… (you asked for such posts	Nov 28 16:58
Omar87	schestowitz: I just don’t understand, how is pre-installing Mono in Ubuntu, Fedora, and several more distros supposed to benefit the Linux community..?	Nov 28 16:59
schestowitz	It brings it into alignment with Novell’s ‘Linux’ (Ballnux)	Nov 28 16:59
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schestowitz	There’s bad poisonware like Moonlight	Nov 28 16:59
schestowitz	So the whole Mono ’stack’ is becoming appendage and bureen	Nov 28 17:00
seller_liar	schestowitz: Yes ,I see thanks	Nov 28 17:00
schestowitz	Soon you’ll see even KDE users putting on the Mono infection with Go-OO and MooNovellight.	Nov 28 17:00
Omar87	schestowitz: It’s making me feel worried the “sudo apt-get –purge common libmono0″ command won’t be enough to ensure an complete and total removal of the Mono poisonware when Jaunty comes to light..	Nov 28 17:00
Eruaran	Not me, I’m already using KOffice 2.0 Beta 3	Nov 28 17:00
Omar87	that* the	Nov 28 17:01
Eruaran	sudo apt-get install mononono	Nov 28 17:01
Omar87	Eruaran: Yeah, and I’m using OO.O 3 too.	Nov 28 17:01
schestowitz	Really? Omar87 got source for that/	Nov 28 17:01
schestowitz	?	Nov 28 17:01
Omar87	schestowitz: No, I got not source for that. But I’m just worried that this might happen, according to your posts.	Nov 28 17:02
Omar87	no*	Nov 28 17:02
Omar87	schestowitz: lol. Well, if it ever happens, all I need to do is to switch to another distro. where the poisonware is less incorporated with the system.	Nov 28 17:04
schestowitz	Poisonware is a word from [H]omer.	Nov 28 17:06
schestowitz	I’m not sure I should use it much.. it’s a weasel word.	Nov 28 17:06
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neighborlee	well its ok guys.fedora is getting on the non -mono bandwagon and we know d ebian doenst have it in their default install either	Nov 28 17:11
neighborlee	and gals if any o_0	Nov 28 17:11
neighborlee		Nov 28 17:11
neighborlee	and fedora is top #1 spot at distrowatch atm..:)	Nov 28 17:12
neighborlee	by quite a margin	Nov 28 17:12
Omar87	schestowitz: You might wanna take a look at this: http://www.msversus.org/micro…	Nov 28 17:13
schestowitz	neighborlee: Fedora gets off it?	Nov 28 17:15
schestowitz	Got URL to show this?	Nov 28 17:15
neighborlee	Omar87, ubuntu can do what it wants..debian ( its core afterall) prob. wont ever ship it as part of distro and neither now will fedora..so I see alot of pressure on them from both fronts	Nov 28 17:15
neighborlee	schestowitz, fedora 10 default livecd install ( which ‘get fedora’ suggests anyway) has mono nowhere in sight	Nov 28 17:15
schestowitz	What about the other CD?	Nov 28 17:15
neighborlee	no idea	Nov 28 17:16
schestowitz	They could argue for space constraints.	Nov 28 17:16
neighborlee	but as I say..the livecd is what they ’suggest’ you download anyway, so its semi moot	Nov 28 17:16
neighborlee	I dont buy space	Nov 28 17:16
schestowitz	Omar87: I know that quote at the top	Nov 28 17:16
schestowitz	“”Microsoft looks at new ideas, they don’t evaluate whether the idea will move the industry forward, they ask, ‘how will it help us sell more copies of Windows?’” - Bill Gates in The Seattle Weekly, April 30, 1998″	Nov 28 17:16
schestowitz	I think Debian used space as reason/excuse	Nov 28 17:17
schestowitz	Tomboy brings a wallop of Mono with it, so they booted it	Nov 28 17:17
neighborlee	not unless they showed what app was needed and for which mono had to go ,,but still moonlight wont go anywhere near fedora and moonlight depends on mono so I dont see this as a issue	Nov 28 17:17
neighborlee	the moonlight/mono thing, would apply to debian as well	Nov 28 17:17
neighborlee	both debian and fedora are both very careful about OSS,,	Nov 28 17:18
neighborlee	but yeah if space was a issue at all, id like to know what the exact #’s are.	Nov 28 17:18
trmanco	https://lists.ubuntu.com/archive…	Nov 28 17:19
neighborlee	but that something else wasn’t removed and mono included at least says something about them not wanting it there ?	Nov 28 17:19
schestowitz	trmanco: I’ll post another alert	Nov 28 17:23
trmanco	ok	Nov 28 17:23
schestowitz	It’s like putting light on cockroaches, to use an analogy I saw earlier.	Nov 28 17:24
schestowitz	The comment here: http://digg.com/tech_news/BT_Bans_Talkin…	Nov 28 17:24
Omar87	schestowitz: How about we organize a global petition against Mono being pre-installed and pre-tuned with Linux?	Nov 28 17:24
schestowitz	Can you run it?	Nov 28 17:25
schestowitz	Another Novell.. Hehe. “Novell Engineering Limited” http://www.vanguardngr.com/…	Nov 28 17:26
Omar87	schestowitz: Well, I’m not sure I can.	Nov 28 17:26
schestowitz	There is also a Novell that does Wedding Rings… it keeps spamming YouTube with its junk adverts.	Nov 28 17:26
schestowitz	Have you voted up the Brainstorm thing?	Nov 28 17:26
schestowitz	http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/16026/	Nov 28 17:27
Omar87	schestowitz: Excuse me?	Nov 28 17:27
Omar87	Cool	Nov 28 17:27
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Omar87	schestowitz: Is it true that Fedora is now more popular than Ubuntu?	Nov 28 17:28
schestowitz	The Mono boosters are storming the brainstorm.	Nov 28 17:28
schestowitz	Watch how all at once they come in -1-ing it.	Nov 28 17:29
Omar87	schestowitz: ‘coz I can see the total opposite at distrowatch.	Nov 28 17:29
schestowitz	neighborlee: get a load of this http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/16026/	Nov 28 17:29
schestowitz	Omar87: it’s because of the release.	Nov 28 17:29
neighborlee	schestowitz, checking	Nov 28 17:29
schestowitz	It will last days/weeks, then be normalised	Nov 28 17:29
schestowitz	I don’t have anything to do with this, but someone posted this in USENET	Nov 28 17:30
neighborlee	schestowitz, its ok it really is	Nov 28 17:32
neighborlee	schestowitz, directHEX, continues to make him?herself look foolish.	Nov 28 17:32
neighborlee	schestowitz, we have to continually show them for what they are..fear mongerers that when they cant seem to win their arguement, that they resort to attacks of smear	Nov 28 17:33
neighborlee	or abuse	Nov 28 17:34
neighborlee	&/or	Nov 28 17:34
Omar87	http://brainstorm.ubuntu.c…	Nov 28 17:40
Omar87	schestowitz: Excuse me for this but I really never imagined RMS to be so naive regarding the Mono thing..	Nov 28 17:41
Omar87	schestowitz: Probably because he’s a pure-hearted peace-loving man..?	Nov 28 17:43
NthDegree	Mono isn’t such a big deal when you think about it	Nov 28 17:43
NthDegree	MS will lose marketshare if it catches on	Nov 28 17:43
Omar87	NthDegree: How’s that?	Nov 28 17:43
NthDegree	people running MS apps on Linux and Mac OS X will cause MS a headache, patents or no patents	Nov 28 17:43
Omar87	NthDegree: that sounds true.	Nov 28 17:44
NthDegree	GNU/Linux lovers who are into freedom can steer clear of Mono, lovers of monopolists can use Mono and still contribute to MS’ downfall	Nov 28 17:44
schestowitz	NthDegree: what market share?	Nov 28 17:44
schestowitz	Developer share?	Nov 28 17:44
schestowitz	Application share?	Nov 28 17:44
NthDegree	schestowitz, application share	Nov 28 17:44
schestowitz	“Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers, Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers, Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers, Developers,Developers,Developers,” –Steve Ballmer	Nov 28 17:44
NthDegree	developers should avoid Mono	Nov 28 17:44
neighborlee	Omar87, well rms does at least say apps should not be done in mono, and that if fspot and their type of apps are deemed so IMPortant, they should be rewritten , as he sees mono encrroachment on gnome as a bad thing.	Nov 28 17:45
schestowitz	But Novell encourages that	Nov 28 17:45
NthDegree	unless they are Wine developers of course >.>	Nov 28 17:45
neighborlee	NthDegree, yup	Nov 28 17:45
schestowitz	It gives them an IDE	Nov 28 17:45
schestowitz	It hires Mono devs	Nov 28 17:45
schestowitz	And it chooses it of important project, which render it hard to avoid	Nov 28 17:45
NthDegree	Mono could be a handy thing in some cases	Nov 28 17:45
neighborlee	I think while advocating against mono, we should loudly voice that debian and fedora default installs dont ship them.	Nov 28 17:46
NthDegree	if Mono gets features .NET doesn’t have then… >.>	Nov 28 17:46
schestowitz	neighborlee: Microsoft is HELPING mono.	Nov 28 17:46
NthDegree	yeah Fedora will never be shipping mono	Nov 28 17:46
neighborlee	yup we know..	Nov 28 17:46
schestowitz	Do you think they help “their own demise” as you name it/	Nov 28 17:46
neighborlee	but it does not matter much really	Nov 28 17:46
schestowitz	?	Nov 28 17:46
Omar87	NthDegree: It sounds like the same trap MS had been running from for a long time.	Nov 28 17:46
NthDegree	schestowitz, yep… MS are already trying their last attempts at staying afloat	Nov 28 17:46
schestowitz	Ubuntu is the same with MS codecs	Nov 28 17:47
schestowitz	Mark Shuttleworth speaks to the Vole	Nov 28 17:47
schestowitz	I was told that.. but only about codecs	Nov 28 17:47
NthDegree	Sun are worse at the moment	Nov 28 17:47
schestowitz	NthDegree: next Microsoft is the next SCO, at least in part	Nov 28 17:47
NthDegree	they are pretty much sleeping with Microsoft, while taking potshots at Red Hat	Nov 28 17:47
schestowitz	Don’t give them ammunition	Nov 28 17:47
schestowitz	Just watch what became of Rambus	Nov 28 17:48
neighborlee	NthDegree, yup	Nov 28 17:48
schestowitz	Novell takes potshots at Sun	Nov 28 17:48
schestowitz	I wrote to Phipps earlier	Nov 28 17:48
schestowitz	It’s about Java mostly.	Nov 28 17:48
schestowitz	GNU/Linux NEEDS Java	Nov 28 17:48
schestowitz	For OOP	Nov 28 17:48
schestowitz	You can’t rely on Microsoft fans like Miguel and Microsoft partners like Novell.	Nov 28 17:49
schestowitz	They already threaten to sue.	Nov 28 17:49
schestowitz	Laugh all you want, but they already resort to extortion.	Nov 28 17:49
schestowitz	So with or without a suit, this causes damanage	Nov 28 17:49
schestowitz	I hear about businesses that are foolishly enough paying Microsoft for peace because of racketeering-like deals.	Nov 28 17:50
schestowitz	Some CIOs steer away from GNU/Linux because of those Microsoft threats that they ‘planted’ in the press in May 2007	Nov 28 17:50
schestowitz	It’s just another SCO-like “If you choose FOSS, watch you back… in a few years terrible things might happen”	Nov 28 17:51
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Omar87	CIO’s? As in Chief Information Officers?	Nov 28 17:51
schestowitz	Yes, whatever.	Nov 28 17:52
NthDegree	it’s a damn shame they did that	Nov 28 17:53
schestowitz	Pointy-haired people who know brochures better than tech.	Nov 28 17:53
NthDegree	if they hadn’t they’d probably be the best company in FOSS right now	Nov 28 17:53
schestowitz	Who? SCO?	Nov 28 17:54
NthDegree	Novell	Nov 28 17:56
NthDegree	SCO were never interested in FOSS	Nov 28 17:56
NthDegree	They wanted to dictate standards for “UNIX”	Nov 28 17:57
NthDegree	schestowitz, how’s tomorrow’s article coming along? =]	Nov 28 17:59
schestowitz	I’ll do a quick headsup about Mono	Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz	schestowitz: which one? SCO?	Nov 28 18:00
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1…	Nov 28 18:03
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schestowitz	Mafia ‘mobile phone gun’ seized < http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/tec… >	Nov 28 18:11
schestowitz	Heh. BN in Brazil: http://computerworld.uol.com.br/mercado/2008/…	Nov 28 18:12
trmanco	http://maketecheasier.com/10-of-the-best-lin…	Nov 28 18:14
schestowitz	Good set	Nov 28 18:15
trmanco	yeah	Nov 28 18:16
schestowitz	Google will hopefully favour open source browsers like Fennec, not Opera.. http://www.linuxinsider.com/rssto…	Nov 28 18:21
neighborlee	well im not sure about windows, but I can tell you for sure that in linux ( fedora 10 here) firefox is a resource hog yet opera runs rather efficiently.not sure whats causing it but its very apparant. < never heard of fennec>	Nov 28 18:24
MinceR	i hope firefox will be at least as good as opera :>	Nov 28 18:25
trmanco	why isn’t it?	Nov 28 18:28
schestowitz	Extensions make a huge difference.	Nov 28 18:29
neighborlee	atm I have none running	Nov 28 18:29
trmanco	I have about 3	Nov 28 18:30
trmanco	and 1 in Thunderbird	Nov 28 18:30
schestowitz	I have over 20, I think	Nov 28 18:30
schestowitz	Most are disabled though.	Nov 28 18:30
schestowitz	Some of them I’ve had since 2005	Nov 28 18:31
schestowitz	Oops. 2004	Nov 28 18:31
trmanco	:p	Nov 28 18:31
MinceR	193649 < trmanco> why isn’t it?	Nov 28 18:31
MinceR	it’s slower.	Nov 28 18:31
trmanco	A little, I have to admit this	Nov 28 18:31
MinceR	also, afaik it lacks some minor features such as fit to width.	Nov 28 18:31
schestowitz	MinceR: what wares are you on?	Nov 28 18:31
MinceR	what do you mean, schestowitz	Nov 28 18:31
trmanco	it is less resposive in some cases	Nov 28 18:31
MinceR	?	Nov 28 18:31
schestowitz	It was a pain on old gear, I admit, esp. with plugins	Nov 28 18:32
trmanco	responsive*	Nov 28 18:32
MinceR	also, i have yet to once again make a full evaluation of firefox	Nov 28 18:32
MinceR	that is, with all the extensions needed to provide stuff i got used to on opera	Nov 28 18:32
MinceR	last time i tried it was remarkably unstable that way	Nov 28 18:32
MinceR	but i’ve heard it’s stable with extensions now	Nov 28 18:32
trmanco	unstable?	Nov 28 18:33
schestowitz	What da fork is this < http://www.linuxworld.com.au/art… >. Adverts as articles…	Nov 28 18:33
schestowitz	MinceR: yes, that too (re stability)	Nov 28 18:34
schestowitz	FF 1.5 gave me pain with plugin collisions…	Nov 28 18:34
schestowitz	Those were the days… SUSE daze	Nov 28 18:34
schestowitz	GNU/Linux and FOSS like Firefox are so much more advanced now… having outpaced the competition, in my humble assessment	Nov 28 18:35
schestowitz	People try to associate platforms with applications…	Nov 28 18:35
schestowitz	As if to say, “Windows is better” because it runs better games? Well, that’s no Windows… it’s like judging a person’s nose based on a fly that’s lodging on it.	Nov 28 18:36
MinceR	as far as i’m concerned, many of the best games also run on linux anyway	Nov 28 18:37
MinceR	though epic games has betrayed us. :/	Nov 28 18:37
PetoKraus	right	Nov 28 18:39
PetoKraus	i’m off to play Ufo AI	Nov 28 18:39
NthDegree	just looking at the mono poison article	Nov 28 18:41
NthDegree	It depends on how vendors play it.. but Mono when combined with Wine could be a “Microsoft killer”	Nov 28 18:41
neighborlee	MinceR, how so .what did I MISSSSSSSSS	Nov 28 18:42
schestowitz	Getty ghetto mafiaaa: http://www.theinquirer.net/feed…	Nov 28 18:42
neighborlee	MinceR, course last thing I tried was ut2004, and thats AGES ago, so hmm	Nov 28 18:42
schestowitz	Quakewars	Nov 28 18:42
NthDegree	neighborlee, UT2003 is screwy on Linux	Nov 28 18:42
neighborlee	ah	Nov 28 18:43
NthDegree	one version is older and can’t play on most servers but has sound	Nov 28 18:43
NthDegree	updated latest version: no sound and loads of things messed up	Nov 28 18:43
NthDegree	it’s like they crippled it	Nov 28 18:43
MinceR	neighborlee: epic has promised there’d be a ut3 client for linux	Nov 28 18:43
neighborlee	PetoKraus, hm is it MP	Nov 28 18:43
MinceR	this happened over 1 year ago	Nov 28 18:43
MinceR	and nothing ever came of it	Nov 28 18:43
NthDegree	UT GOTY… crashes my box every now and again	Nov 28 18:43
neighborlee	is this the newest epic game orwhat	Nov 28 18:43
NthDegree	I don’t buy games for general-purpose OSes anymore..	Nov 28 18:44
neighborlee	are you talking about unreal3 or unreal tournament 3,3 is rather old now	Nov 28 18:44
neighborlee	very old	Nov 28 18:44
MinceR	i’m talking about ut3	Nov 28 18:45
schestowitz	Another DRM-loving company easts dust. http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n…	Nov 28 18:45
schestowitz	*eats	Nov 28 18:45
neighborlee	MinceR, yes well thats very old..ut2004 at least has great support, last I knew anyway	Nov 28 18:46
neighborlee	schestowitz, nice	Nov 28 18:46
schestowitz	Indian developers taking over the world - Will soon surpass US < http://www.theinquirer.net/feeds/rss/gene… >	Nov 28 18:46
MinceR	so, how heavily is india brainwashed by big microsoft and little microsoft?	Nov 28 18:48
schestowitz	Lots	Nov 28 18:48
schestowitz	That’s the issue.	Nov 28 18:49
schestowitz	Just watch what they do in uni’s	Nov 28 18:49
neighborlee	well they wont be taking over in the langugage department anytime soon..I have nothing against them they are lovely people..but I sometimes ’struggle’ alot to understand them through that thick accent.	Nov 28 18:50
PetoKraus	neighborlee: yes, there is a multiplayer	Nov 28 18:50
neighborlee	PetoKraus, ok thx	Nov 28 18:50
PetoKraus	it’s very good rework of old Xcom: Enemy Unknown	Nov 28 18:51
PetoKraus	even the AI of your marines is as stupid as it was	Nov 28 18:51
neighborlee	PetoKraus,	Nov 28 18:51
PetoKraus	after few hours of playing you end up “what the fuck, out of 16 shots fired you happen to miss 15?!?”	Nov 28 18:52
neighborlee	PetoKraus, as yes I remember this now..tried to get afriend to play it, but she’s major into RPG so its not much of a go..are there are any free mmorpg types games in linux yet :)))	Nov 28 18:52
neighborlee	PetoKraus, lol	Nov 28 18:52
neighborlee	PetoKraus, you think thats bad you shoudl try combat arms,,,	Nov 28 18:52
neighborlee	PetoKraus, on my own id never had played it, but I endulge a good friend that deems it worthy	Nov 28 18:52
neighborlee	had/have	Nov 28 18:52
schestowitz	Oh Bhhoy	Nov 28 18:53
schestowitz	“eet” is accessing BN again.. using his familiar routes in Germany.	Nov 28 18:53
neighborlee	I think setting up a filter would be kinda funny..seeing missing pieces of someones post because they couldn’t resist using inflammatory adjectives ;)..I say doooooooooo it ;))	Nov 28 18:55
neighborlee	but then im just in that kinda mood atm	Nov 28 18:55
neighborlee	as in happy,,karen carpenters voice does that to me	Nov 28 18:55
neighborlee	especialy at xmas time ;))	Nov 28 18:56
MinceR	oh, fennec is the mobile version of mozilla, right?	Nov 28 18:56
MinceR	that gives me hope for fit to width and similar features in firefox…	Nov 28 18:56
neighborlee	Distributions indirectly funded by Microsoft like OpenSuse however should definitely have lots of .net/mono apps installed by default! < ROFL	Nov 28 18:57
schestowitz	MinceR: yes, it is. It might be called something else.. like codename versus product name	Nov 28 18:58
schestowitz	Hoary Hedgehog. yuck! Good distro, bad name.	Nov 28 18:58
schestowitz	I used Warty Warthog too (at work)	Nov 28 18:58
neighborlee	they could not have chosen better , given what they ship by defaut	Nov 28 19:00
schestowitz	Miss Piggy Vista	Nov 28 19:00
neighborlee	lol	Nov 28 19:00
schestowitz	Vista Wart Edition is the one before SP1	Nov 28 19:01
neighborlee	no doubt	Nov 28 19:01
neighborlee	and on anything less than 3 gigs of ram	Nov 28 19:01
schestowitz	He explained the nam e though (M.S.)	Nov 28 19:01
schestowitz	it’s becuase it still had warts (bugs)	Nov 28 19:02
schestowitz	It was a binary large Debian back then	Nov 28 19:02
schestowitz	Ugly icons set	Nov 28 19:02
neighborlee	what a lovely reason for a name …fulfills dreams of a stable alternative to windows doesn’t it	Nov 28 19:03
schestowitz	http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2060… ( Bloomberg 11/24: U.S. Pledges Top $7.7 Trillion to Ease Frozen Credit )	Nov 28 19:03
schestowitz	happy thanksgiving.	Nov 28 19:03
schestowitz	http://www.cnbc.com/id/27835645 ( CNBC 11/21: All US Financials Will be Nationalized in a Year: Manager (	Nov 28 19:03
schestowitz	black friday	Nov 28 19:03
schestowitz	http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?… ( Blooomberg 11/25: Food Prices Will Rise, Causing Export Bans, Riots: Chart of Day )	Nov 28 19:04
schestowitz	Mee.e.e.e.rry Xmas…	Nov 28 19:04
neighborlee	well at least gas is liveable atm ;0-	Nov 28 19:05
neighborlee	but yeah food gouges us all	Nov 28 19:05
trmanco	http://www.romancortes.com/blog/tu…	Nov 28 19:05
schestowitz	“he U.S. government is prepared to provide more than $7.76 trillion on behalf of American taxpayers after guaranteeing $306 billion of Citigroup Inc. debt yesterday. “	Nov 28 19:07
schestowitz	«The prediction is made by a hedge fund manager who is up 40% over the past year. How? He saw stuff coming and went long no bonds. (”I look like a genius at the moment!”) He also predicts an 80% decline in stocks. He predicts a 4-5% GDP drop next year.»	Nov 28 19:08
schestowitz	http://technocrat.net/d/2008/11/22/54627	Nov 28 19:08
schestowitz	“If you are a US citizen, you’ve now “invested” over 25 grand on bailouts (you might have received upto 600 bucks in instant rebates for that expenditure though to make you feel better about it). That’s brand new babies on up, so if you have a family, add it up. “	Nov 28 19:08
schestowitz	http://technocrat.net/d/2008/11/24/54746	Nov 28 19:09
neighborlee	well I hope they use the money more wisely that giving their people free spa passes :))	Nov 28 19:09
schestowitz	“I think it would have been better if we had called their economic terrorism bluff and had them explain from jail cells how the economy was now going to crash, and exactly why again, in a bit more detail with some more exact names/dates/places to further clarify this “emergency” situation.”	Nov 28 19:09
schestowitz	Well, those who corrupted and milk the system get the monet	Nov 28 19:09
schestowitz	RMS calls it extreme capitalism	Nov 28 19:10
schestowitz	Let’s call it extreme corruption	Nov 28 19:10
neighborlee	but I really hope they stick it to us car manufacturers that stuck it to us by not increasing MPG..	Nov 28 19:10
neighborlee	schestowitz, agreeed..	Nov 28 19:10
schestowitz	Cars are NOT a priority	Nov 28 19:11
schestowitz	Some years from now it’s possible that more of the population won’t be able to afford it	Nov 28 19:11
schestowitz	No more “car for dad, car for mummy and one car for the 18-year-old college gal”	Nov 28 19:11
schestowitz	They must use the money to bail out all those people who now live in Tent Cities(R)	Nov 28 19:12
neighborlee	the irony..we can all drive way less pollution vehicles as in having the technology mostly in place, yet only a percentage can make the cost of ownership	Nov 28 19:12
neighborlee	yup	Nov 28 19:12
schestowitz	Not f*ing car-making execs who fly to DC on PRIVATE planes.	Nov 28 19:13
neighborlee	as my friend said, they shoud have given all of us our own homes thereby radically removing that one huge cost of ownership and most likely doing alot to decrease violence as well	Nov 28 19:14
neighborlee	schestowitz, agreed again	Nov 28 19:14
schestowitz	Back to sleep, neighborlee.	Nov 28 19:14
neighborlee	ok	Nov 28 19:14
schestowitz	People don’t want to hear it.	Nov 28 19:14
neighborlee	not yet	Nov 28 19:14
schestowitz	It’s too.. well, reality strikes, ain’t it?	Nov 28 19:14
schestowitz	Don’t worry.	Nov 28 19:14
schestowitz	You’ll wake up tomorrow and it’ll be back to Mercedes and 3 vacations in El Salvador per year	Nov 28 19:15
neighborlee	maybe so	Nov 28 19:15
schestowitz	Tecnocrat has been beating that drum for ages.	Nov 28 19:15
schestowitz	It has been hard to ignore all their posts about the ecnonomy… in a site that’s intended to focus on F/OSS	Nov 28 19:16
neighborlee	hm	Nov 28 19:19
neighborlee	schestowitz, well something to remember though..obama has a mandate..many people are basically expecting ‘change’..and that takes on many forms, not just economical..he has alot to deliver on to avoid dashing peoples opinions of him so we’ll see ..I think his current appointments make it clear he ’s on the right track.	Nov 28 19:22
trmanco	http://www.correiodamanha.pt/noticia.aspx?cha…	Nov 28 19:24
trmanco	Institute for Employment three million paid to Microsoft: http://translate.google.com/t…	Nov 28 19:25
schestowitz	Change… losing a house is change, losing a job too. Regardless of who got elected, it’s not a good time to be president. He’ll be remembered in a bad light.	Nov 28 19:31
schestowitz	trmanco: thanks. I’ll post this in a moment.	Nov 28 19:33
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trmanco	the translation kinda sucks	Nov 28 19:33
trmanco	but you understood it right?	Nov 28 19:33
neighborlee	schestowitz, I have faith in obama’s abilities though, and in those whom he keeps company…	Nov 28 19:33
neighborlee	schestowitz, if he is consistent to his stump speaches I think he will take us all in a much better direction, he has already been very honest, and even does youtube videos, which is a first I think..he’s very transparent	Nov 28 19:34
schestowitz	I bet they’ll be prancing and dancing over “Microsoft savings” (because there is nothing but Microsoft in computers rolls eyes)	Nov 28 19:34
schestowitz	trmanco: I won’t say much about it. The article is mainly about Italy	Nov 28 19:34
schestowitz	Also Holland.	Nov 28 19:35
schestowitz	It’s about price-gouging of MS in EU	Nov 28 19:35
trmanco	well, that is from Portugal but may also apply in other EU countries	Nov 28 19:35
trmanco	The Outlook for Vista Gets Even Worse: http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolbox…	Nov 28 19:37
schestowitz	Gah.	Nov 28 19:41
schestowitz	Mono boosters in BN again.	Nov 28 19:42
schestowitz	The usual spin… Mono is a cheap imitation of .NET, which is turn is an imitation of Java. Java is GPL-licensed now, so there’s hardly a reason to avoid it. Novell, which owns Mono, is just trying to help Microsoft which feeds it hundreds of millions of dollars to do this thing, among other things like harming Red Hat.	Nov 28 19:42
schestowitz	The usual suspects too: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/28/…	Nov 28 19:42
trmanco	…	Nov 28 19:43
trmanco	seen that	Nov 28 19:43
trmanco	you are going to probably going to be attacked by a lot of Mboosters, they usually come in big crowds just like on Ubuntu brainstorm	Nov 28 19:44
trmanco	:O	Nov 28 19:44
trmanco	made some errors, you get the point	Nov 28 19:45
trmanco	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a…	Nov 28 19:48
schestowitz	Yes, seen it	Nov 28 19:49
trmanco	cool	Nov 28 19:49
trmanco	no winner	Nov 28 19:49
trmanco		Nov 28 19:49
trmanco	LOL http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/SimplyJun/~3/4…	Nov 28 19:50
schestowitz	http://www.mono-project.com/WinForms “This does not include the Mono name, logo, or icon, which are registered trademarks of Novell”	Nov 28 19:52
schestowitz	Even a Novell logo there	Nov 28 19:52
schestowitz	Yay! Novellsoft code inside Ubuntu. What’s next? Some pure Microsoft code too?	Nov 28 19:52
schestowitz	“EXAMPLES baby -sex f -name Jacqueline”	Nov 28 19:53
schestowitz	“baby -sex [m\|f] [-name name]“	Nov 28 19:53
schestowitz	┌─(roy@localhost Fri, 28 Nov 08)─———— —————————————— ——————————─(/home/roy)────┐	Nov 28 19:54
schestowitz	└─(19:53 $)─> man baby	Nov 28 19:54
schestowitz	No manual entry for baby	Nov 28 19:54
trmanco	lol	Nov 28 19:54
trmanco	you need to install those funny man pages	Nov 28 19:54
schestowitz	I know, I know..	Nov 28 19:54
MinceR	mincer@stormwind(pts/2) % man woman	Nov 28 19:54
MinceR	No manual entry for woman	Nov 28 19:54
schestowitz	It required MONO! No..j/k	Nov 28 19:54
schestowitz	└─(19:55 $)─> man man	Nov 28 19:55
schestowitz	WARNING: terminal is not fully functional	Nov 28 19:55
schestowitz	Thank goodness.	Nov 28 19:55
trmanco	lol	Nov 28 19:56
schestowitz	It’s really what I get	Nov 28 19:56
trmanco	weird	Nov 28 19:57
trmanco	I have man man	Nov 28 19:57
schestowitz	My chartype	Nov 28 19:57
schestowitz	I customise bash	Nov 28 19:57
schestowitz	Man pages give me warnings	Nov 28 19:57
trmanco	oh ok	Nov 28 19:57
schestowitz	└─(19:57 $)─> man delbrot	Nov 28 19:57
schestowitz	No manual entry for delbrot	Nov 28 19:57
schestowitz	└─(19:57 $)─> man help	Nov 28 19:58
schestowitz	WARNING: terminal is not fully functional	Nov 28 19:58
schestowitz	- (press RETURN)	Nov 28 19:58
MinceR	lol @ man delbrot	Nov 28 19:59
trmanco	how about a cow	Nov 28 20:01
trmanco	trmanco@trmanco-desktop:~$ cowsay Hello	Nov 28 20:01
trmanco	_______	Nov 28 20:01
trmanco	< Hello >	Nov 28 20:01
trmanco	——-	Nov 28 20:01
trmanco	\ ^__^	Nov 28 20:01
trmanco	\ (oo)\_______	Nov 28 20:01
trmanco	(__)\ )\/\	Nov 28 20:01
trmanco	\|\|—-w \|	Nov 28 20:01
trmanco	\|\| \|\|	Nov 28 20:01
_doug	this kind of humor is what gives geeks a bad name …	Nov 28 20:02
trmanco	?	Nov 28 20:03
_doug	“baby is initiated when one parent process polls another server process through a socket connection in the BSD version or through pipes in the System V implementation”	Nov 28 20:03
MinceR	the internet is a series of pipes?	Nov 28 20:04
_doug	Is that a names pipe or some anonymous one-night-stand ..	Nov 28 20:04
_doug	named pipe ..	Nov 28 20:04
neighborlee	_doug, lol	Nov 28 20:04
trmanco	lol	Nov 28 20:05
_doug	“Is that a named pipe or some anonymous one-night-stand ..”	Nov 28 20:05
_doug	later ..	Nov 28 20:05
neighborlee	trmanco, cute	Nov 28 20:06
trmanco	the cow?	Nov 28 20:06
*_doug has quit ()		Nov 28 20:06
neighborlee	trmanco, being a proud pooche owner ( and very spoiled ) I can relate ;))	Nov 28 20:07
neighborlee	trmanco, dog, cow,,it took it as a dog but, ok :))	Nov 28 20:07
trmanco	lol	Nov 28 20:07
trmanco	ok	Nov 28 20:07
neighborlee	lol	Nov 28 20:07
trmanco	I have a dragon too	Nov 28 20:08
trmanco	…	Nov 28 20:08
trmanco	let me man cowsay	Nov 28 20:08
trmanco	meh	Nov 28 20:09
trmanco	can’t find it	Nov 28 20:09
trmanco	but I can stick the cow’s tongue out	Nov 28 20:09
neighborlee	ha	Nov 28 20:10
trmanco	trmanco@trmanco-desktop:~$ cowthink -T Q Hello	Nov 28 20:11
trmanco	_______	Nov 28 20:11
trmanco	( Hello )	Nov 28 20:11
trmanco	——-	Nov 28 20:11
trmanco	o ^__^	Nov 28 20:11
trmanco	o (oo)\_______	Nov 28 20:11
trmanco	(__)\ )\/\	Nov 28 20:11
trmanco	Q \|\|—-w \|	Nov 28 20:11
trmanco	\|\| \|\|	Nov 28 20:11
trmanco	doesn’t look like a tongue	Nov 28 20:12
MinceR	try -T U	Nov 28 20:12
trmanco	ha	Nov 28 20:13
trmanco	trmanco@trmanco-desktop:~$ cowthink -T U Doh!	Nov 28 20:13
trmanco	______	Nov 28 20:13
trmanco	( Doh! )	Nov 28 20:13
trmanco	——	Nov 28 20:13
trmanco	o ^__^	Nov 28 20:13
trmanco	o (oo)\_______	Nov 28 20:13
trmanco	(__)\ )\/\	Nov 28 20:13
trmanco	U \|\|—-w \|	Nov 28 20:13
trmanco	\|\| \|\|	Nov 28 20:13
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schestowitz	trmanco: can you give me a one-sentence summary of the article (Portugal)?	Nov 28 20:23
trmanco	sure	Nov 28 20:23
trmanco	1 sec	Nov 28 20:23
trmanco	schestowitz, will this do?	Nov 28 20:28
trmanco	The Institute of Employment and Vocational Training of Portugal will pay, by 2011, more than three million for 3700 licenses for Microsoft, according to the authorization published yesterday in the Daily Republic.	Nov 28 20:28
schestowitz	Thanks.	Nov 28 20:28
trmanco	Vulnerable Windows Machines Sitting Ducks for the Conficker Worm: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Vulnerable-Win…	Nov 28 20:30
trmanco	instead of “for Microsoft” “to Microsoft” sounds better	Nov 28 20:30
trmanco	sorry for that little error	Nov 28 20:30
schestowitz	Thanks. Done, with credit to open-mania. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/28…	Nov 28 20:33
trmanco	ok you’re welcome	Nov 28 20:33
schestowitz	trmanco: yes, I spotted that error too an corrected it.	Nov 28 20:33
trmanco	ok	Nov 28 20:34
schestowitz	I imagine that Italian people will read it mostly.	Nov 28 20:34
schestowitz	However, I chained all those previous eye-openers from Portuga.	Nov 28 20:34
schestowitz	It’s helpful later on when I create summaries or a ‘case’ against/for something. It’s all a matter of collecting evidence and organising pointers. USENET is good at that too and it helps people who read it. They sometimes need to build a plan with supportive substance.	Nov 28 20:35
trmanco	one little thing	Nov 28 20:35
trmanco	you got a typo the open mania link	Nov 28 20:36
trmanco	http://open-mania./	Nov 28 20:36
trmanco	lol	Nov 28 20:36
schestowitz	The Mono boosters have sunk to new laws.	Nov 28 20:36
schestowitz	They try to associate the messenger with mental illness.	Nov 28 20:36
schestowitz	Shooting down the message didn’t work	Nov 28 20:37
schestowitz	Shooting down BN didn’t work because mags like Forbes, InformationWeek, ComputerWorld etc. reference our site as a legitimate source.	Nov 28 20:37
schestowitz	So now they try a new tactic: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/22/protecti… ” I suspect autism may play a part in the behaviour patterns”	Nov 28 20:38
trmanco	174 comments :O	Nov 28 20:39
neighborlee	schestowitz, of course..information presented without ridicule as such is often represnted legimately ;)))	Nov 28 20:41
neighborlee	schestowitz, its those who do the reverse of that who are taken down by their own rhetoric ;))	Nov 28 20:41
neighborlee	we are known by our deeds	Nov 28 20:42
schestowitz	trmanco: wrong URL. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/28/micro…	Nov 28 20:44
schestowitz	Copied from wrong tab.	Nov 28 20:44
trmanco	ha	Nov 28 20:44
trmanco	ok	Nov 28 20:44
schestowitz	Me: Mono is dangerous.	Nov 28 20:44
schestowitz	Troll: no, it’s powerful	Nov 28 20:45
schestowitz	Me: look, it mimics Microsoft	Nov 28 20:45
schestowitz	Troll: you’re autistic.	Nov 28 20:45
schestowitz	Me: sigh	Nov 28 20:45
MinceR	lol	Nov 28 20:45
MinceR	tell them that using the ad hominem fallacy makes them lose :>	Nov 28 20:45
schestowitz	I said so.	Nov 28 20:46
MinceR	or perhaps it’s better to just point it out and ask for real arguments	Nov 28 20:46
neighborlee	rofl	Nov 28 20:46
schestowitz	They turn Ubuntu into cheap Windows (underneath)	Nov 28 20:46
schestowitz	Ubuntu courses…	Nov 28 20:46
schestowitz	101: .NET	Nov 28 20:46
schestowitz	102: WinForms	Nov 28 20:46
schestowitz	XAML, MOOX, etc etc.	Nov 28 20:47
neighborlee	schestowitz, I still say search for words in posts and delete those , and make a note of it on the post thereby keeping things clean and making it obvious who uses such stuff ;,,but anyway I gotta log out to log into E,bbs	Nov 28 20:47
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trmanco	http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Midmarket/SMB…	Nov 28 20:48
schestowitz	Tell Mark Shuttleworth that where he’s heading is a done job. it’s called ReactOS	Nov 28 20:48
MinceR		Nov 28 20:48
MinceR	or it’s called recruiting a lot of users for debian	Nov 28 20:49
schestowitz	trmanco: only SMBs?	Nov 28 20:49
schestowitz	Seems like eWeek runs out of material.	Nov 28 20:49
trmanco	no, that is just one part	Nov 28 20:49
trmanco	eweek is almost dead	Nov 28 20:50
schestowitz	It’s the “Midmarket” section	Nov 28 20:50
schestowitz	But it’s still silly to use such a title… it’s like saying “Women are at risk due to weakening economy”	Nov 28 20:50
schestowitz	trmanco: it IS dead	Nov 28 20:51
schestowitz	It’s Ziff Davis. It’s bankrupt… since last year	Nov 28 20:51
schestowitz	SJVN used to write there. He moved on.	Nov 28 20:51
trmanco	oh ok	Nov 28 20:51
schestowitz	Peter Galli used to boost Microsoft there. He joined Microsoft months ago	Nov 28 20:51
trmanco	My First Open Source Project: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/…	Nov 28 20:54
schestowitz	Serdar Yegulalp is all right.	Nov 28 20:55
schestowitz	I don’t want to criticise much, but I found it odd that he’s considered a senior writers on these matters although he was only introduced to it recently.	Nov 28 20:56
schestowitz	And he used to be a Windows journalist. They could have hired someone experiences like SJVN.	Nov 28 20:56
schestowitz	*experienced	Nov 28 20:56
schestowitz	Hey, look at this: http://news.alibaba.com/article/detail/tech-h…	Nov 28 21:08
schestowitz	“Editor: Sharon Li”… but the article is from SJVN. No credit.	Nov 28 21:08
trmanco	how do you know	Nov 28 21:10
trmanco	wait	Nov 28 21:11
trmanco	from computerworld?	Nov 28 21:11
schestowitz	I just mailed him	Nov 28 21:11
trmanco	ok	Nov 28 21:12
schestowitz	http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archiv…	Nov 28 21:14
schestowitz	“The Conservative immigration spokesman, Damian Green, is not a figure ordinarily likely to elicit much sympathy from me - although Boris Johnson’s call for an amnesty for illegal immigrants was the most sensible suggestion on immigration for many years. But the arrest of Damian Green MP is a constitutional outrage that may finally motivate our supine parliament to stand up to this domineering executive.”	Nov 28 21:14
schestowitz	I posted about this earlier. http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/20… ( The Fear of Openness… ) So when one blows the whistle on high-level crooks, then it’s TERROR~1	Nov 28 21:15
schestowitz	Ugly vista for Windows Vista: v	Nov 28 21:17
schestowitz	http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/bl…	Nov 28 21:17
schestowitz	No sub-notebooks from AMD after all… “And AMD? They are ignoring the market altogether.” < http://osnews.com/story/20592/AMD_… >	Nov 28 21:31
schestowitz	That article from Alibaba was plagiarism indeed.	Nov 28 21:35
schestowitz	Just got it confirmed	Nov 28 21:35
schestowitz	http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/11/i… … I attended a talk from Irving 3 years ago (he came to Manchester). He’s one that can be trusted. he brought change to IBM; he can do this at a broader level too, for sure.	Nov 28 21:39
schestowitz	Apple gets the public shaft: http://www.heise.de/english/news…	Nov 28 21:40
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_doug	?	Nov 28 22:01
trmanco	?	Nov 28 22:02
_doug	wassup ?	Nov 28 22:02
_doug	http://www.dilbert.com/2008-11-28/	Nov 28 22:05
_doug	method and apparatus for making a sandwich ..	Nov 28 22:09
_doug	http://www.ubersoft.net/	Nov 28 22:09
schestowitz	Hey	Nov 28 22:10
schestowitz	I’m having a faq	Nov 28 22:10
schestowitz	For BN	Nov 28 22:10
_doug	You mean, you’re making a FAQ ..	Nov 28 22:11
trmanco	lol	Nov 28 22:11
schestowitz	I senr it to Glyn (the Ubsesoft thing)	Nov 28 22:12
schestowitz	He started it.	Nov 28 22:12
schestowitz	When I’m done with the FAQ, I’ll fsck my hard-rive.	Nov 28 22:12
_doug	Where’s ReverseDRC ?	Nov 28 22:14
_doug	He was here yesterday about this time ?	Nov 28 22:14
schestowitz	Yes.	Nov 28 22:15
schestowitz	He’s here just rarely. Certain hours…	Nov 28 22:15
_doug	He would use Linux if he could run DirectX under wine ..	Nov 28 22:15
_doug		Nov 28 22:15
_doug	Favorite distro BeOS ..	Nov 28 22:16
_doug	gtg ..	Nov 28 22:16
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tacone	is someone writing about italy ?	Nov 28 22:32
schestowitz	Hey, tacone	Nov 28 22:39
schestowitz	I did a post earlier.	Nov 28 22:39
tacone	it is on rss	Nov 28 22:41
tacone	just not accessible from the web yet	Nov 28 22:41
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GoblinRFD	Good evening from the UK……!	Nov 28 22:46
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schestowitz	Howdy.	Nov 28 22:50
schestowitz	tacone: Oh, oops! It was marked as private. Should be fine now: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/28/mic…	Nov 28 22:51
tacone	yes	Nov 28 22:53
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schestowitz	http://www.happyassassin.net/2008…	Nov 28 23:49
GoblinRFD	Having not used Mandriva, I cant be too upset. However it is a shame, as the chap seems very dedicated.	Nov 28 23:53
schestowitz	He is.	Nov 28 23:54
schestowitz	Everyone suffers.	Nov 28 23:54
schestowitz	Google lays off, Microsoft lays off… I don’t think Apple does.	Nov 28 23:54
GoblinRFD	I see you picked up another cracker on your site… Jo…	Nov 28 23:56

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