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| GoblinRFD | Sorry got distracted there. This is not a clear picture, but this was my first pc. Take a look at the shape of the cpu | Nov 28 00:25 |
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| GoblinRFD | http://www.pixelworld.pixnet.fr/?lnk=a... | Nov 28 00:25 |
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| GoblinRFD | and then look at this: | Nov 28 00:25 |
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| GoblinRFD | http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/galac... | Nov 28 00:27 |
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| MinceR | gn | Nov 28 00:44 |
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| GoblinRFD | gn | Nov 28 00:57 |
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| PetoKraus | GoblinRFD: http://www.atarimuseum.com/computers/... | Nov 28 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Nov 28 00:58 |
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| PetoKraus | that was my first, between 1994-1997 | Nov 28 00:59 |
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| GoblinRFD | 1994-1997? | Nov 28 01:01 |
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| GoblinRFD | i thought the xl was older | Nov 28 01:02 |
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| GoblinRFD | 84-87? | Nov 28 01:02 |
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| PetoKraus | yes, it was | Nov 28 01:04 |
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| PetoKraus | i've got my first "real" pc in '99, it was Pentium 166... | Nov 28 01:04 |
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| PetoKraus | i managed to work on that until 2005 or so | Nov 28 01:04 |
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| PetoKraus | FUN :) | Nov 28 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | 2005? | Nov 28 01:05 |
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| schestowitz | I had a 400Mhz AMD till then (laptop) | Nov 28 01:05 |
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| PetoKraus | then it was AMD 64 3000+, if i recall correctly | Nov 28 01:08 |
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| PetoKraus | it's sad to see how the machine eventually gets slower and slower | Nov 28 01:08 |
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| PetoKraus | by the time it was perfect, almost top-of-the-notch | Nov 28 01:08 |
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| *PetoKraus np: Aerosmith - Sweet Emotion (Toys In The Attic) | Nov 28 01:10 |
| *schestowitz goes to bed. Will post in BN in the morning (BLACK Friday...BWAHAHAHAH!!!) | Nov 28 01:13 |
| GoblinRFD | gn | Nov 28 01:24 |
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| MinceR | r4wr | Nov 28 09:17 |
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| suselover | hi | Nov 28 10:28 |
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| kentma | hi | Nov 28 10:34 |
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| suselover | sup? | Nov 28 10:35 |
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| kentma | nowt | Nov 28 10:36 |
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| suselover | novell cool | Nov 28 10:37 |
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| kentma | Linux is now in 94% of top 500 supercomputers - amazing. | Nov 28 10:37 |
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| MinceR | that's a pretty weak attempt at trolling, suselover | Nov 28 10:37 |
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| MinceR | it should be 100% | Nov 28 10:37 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: probably will be soon. | Nov 28 10:38 |
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| schestowitz | They still virtualise some. | Nov 28 10:38 |
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| MinceR | sadly, cray has sunk to new depths and helping microsoft with its marketing stunt | Nov 28 10:38 |
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| schestowitz | I betcha Microsoft pays sites to deploy that clusterfsck experiment which is Windows for HPC | Nov 28 10:38 |
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| MinceR | i bet that too | Nov 28 10:38 |
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| schestowitz | Cray is like Corel and Novell... miserable company hoping for a lifeline in the Vole | Nov 28 10:39 |
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| schestowitz | Some sites accepted Microsoft's offer and tried Windows Clusterfsck Edition. They soon dumped it and went back to the GNU. It's funny how Microsoft behaves... | Nov 28 10:39 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is like the promiscuous girl trying to find a guy by sleeping with many... but nobody stays. They leave the next morning. As long as Windows is an amateur operating system with little emphasis on large deployment, no amount of special deals will change the status quo. | Nov 28 10:41 |
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| MinceR | hm, not a persistent troll | Nov 28 10:42 |
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| MinceR | thankfully. | Nov 28 10:42 |
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| schestowitz | What does "nat" mean? | Nov 28 10:43 |
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| MinceR | Network Address Translation | Nov 28 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | Is this him? http://www.linkedin.com/pub/3/992/82 | Nov 28 10:44 |
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| MinceR | i guess freenode knows the address suse NAT-s their clients to | Nov 28 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | mmaher@suse.de | Nov 28 10:45 |
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| MinceR | might well be | Nov 28 10:45 |
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| MinceR | http://www.engrish.com//wp-content... | Nov 28 12:29 |
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| schestowitz | That apple is a turnoff on the face of it. | Nov 28 12:34 |
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| _doug | ping ... | Nov 28 14:07 |
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| _doug | OpenSUSE EULA .. | Nov 28 14:08 |
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| _doug | "This agreement permits you to distribute unmodified copies of openSUSE 11.1 using the 'openSUSE' trademark" | Nov 28 14:08 |
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| _doug | http://en.opensuse.org/Open... | Nov 28 14:08 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, they try to claim victory | Nov 28 14:08 |
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| Eruaran | hello guys | Nov 28 14:08 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, Eruaran | Nov 28 14:08 |
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| Eruaran | are any of you on twitter ? | Nov 28 14:09 |
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| _doug | What's on Twitter ? | Nov 28 14:11 |
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| Eruaran | me :P | Nov 28 14:12 |
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| MinceR | TMI | Nov 28 14:13 |
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| _doug | I'm too connected already ... | Nov 28 14:13 |
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| Eruaran | whoops just had a plasma crash | Nov 28 14:14 |
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| schestowitz | Not me. | Nov 28 14:14 |
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| kentma | plasma crash? | Nov 28 14:16 |
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| Eruaran | briefly | Nov 28 14:16 |
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| Eruaran | hmm | Nov 28 14:18 |
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| kentma | what's a plasma crash? | Nov 28 14:18 |
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| Eruaran | every time I try to connect with Twitter, Plasma crashes | Nov 28 14:19 |
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| kentma | ahh, I was seeing plasma as an ionised superheated cloud :-) | Nov 28 14:19 |
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| Eruaran | I've just been fiddling with widgets and things and realised how lame and unadventurous my desktop is | Nov 28 14:21 |
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| Eruaran | time to kill the panel and be creative methinks | Nov 28 14:22 |
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| kentma | have fun | Nov 28 14:23 |
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| mib_2nxo45 | Dear Boy. I was trying to comment on one of your newer "articles" but apparently your "MySQL server has gone away". Any chance you fix this? | Nov 28 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | Hey there. | Nov 28 14:37 |
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| mib_2nxo45 | hello. | Nov 28 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | mib_2nxo45: did you try hitting back and "submit" again? It usually works the second time. | Nov 28 14:37 |
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| mib_2nxo45 | yes - it's the same error. "MySQL server has gone away" with a whole lotta mysql statements if apparently fails to execute. | Nov 28 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | Eeek. Let me try | Nov 28 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | I've just tried and it worked. | Nov 28 14:39 |
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| schestowitz | It gets flaky when there's heavy load on the site. | Nov 28 14:39 |
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| *mib_2nxo45 retries | Nov 28 14:39 |
| schestowitz | I wish it could be resolved without the host being the cause. Copy the message, refresh page if necessary, the try again. Sorry about that... | Nov 28 14:40 |
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| Eruaran | meh, after all that farting around | Nov 28 15:19 |
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| Eruaran | I just made another panel and put everything back on it again | Nov 28 15:19 |
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| Eruaran | :P | Nov 28 15:19 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, Plasma? | Nov 28 15:20 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Nov 28 15:20 |
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| schestowitz | You lost contents? | Nov 28 15:20 |
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| Eruaran | damn cool though | Nov 28 15:20 |
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| Eruaran | no | Nov 28 15:20 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, OK | Nov 28 15:20 |
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| Eruaran | I was just fiddling | Nov 28 15:20 |
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| schestowitz | I thought crashing lost some datsa | Nov 28 15:20 |
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| Eruaran | nah | Nov 28 15:20 |
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| schestowitz | Intel makes me sick: Intel Calls EU Antitrust Probe 'discriminatory and Partial' < http://www.pcworld.com/article/154630/.html... > | Nov 28 15:20 |
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| schestowitz | There should be a Linux-like response for Intel | Nov 28 15:21 |
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| Eruaran | grabbing a widget and simply dropping it on the panel is very nice | Nov 28 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | Intel is funding Linux just to create a h/w monopoly | Nov 28 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | But that's like saying that Microsoft makes Windows fat to secure Intel's CPU monopoly | Nov 28 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | Far O/Ses require high end CPUs... no ARMs... | Nov 28 15:22 |
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| MinceR | i'd support RISC-based PC-s :) | Nov 28 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | /sFar/Fat/ | Nov 28 15:22 |
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| Eruaran | ARM based devices seem quite powerful | Nov 28 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | For mobiles. | Nov 28 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | Because Microsoft and Apple set 'standards' in fat desktops | Nov 28 15:23 |
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| Eruaran | BenQ is releasing new products in February | Nov 28 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | I think Apple negotiated with.. was it ARM or just AMD? | Nov 28 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | No Cell for them anyway... no IBM anymore. | Nov 28 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | February? Where's the date seen? | Nov 28 15:23 |
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| Eruaran | BenQ is releasing an Apple-like PC in a monitor | Nov 28 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | It's a Linux/Firefox tablet, IIRC | Nov 28 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, that.. | Nov 28 15:24 |
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| Eruaran | Got an email today from BenQ | Nov 28 15:24 |
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| Eruaran | Yes, Linux or Windows XP | Nov 28 15:24 |
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| Eruaran | No Vista | Nov 28 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Whottt? | Nov 28 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | No Vista | Nov 28 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Nov 28 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | You beat me to it. | Nov 28 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Well, Vista is still 'new'... you know, like a 2-year-old.. | Nov 28 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Or as Ballmer put it after 1.5 years in the wild... it's "work in progress" | Nov 28 15:25 |
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| schestowitz | 3 months later it was Vista 7 that was "work in progress" | Nov 28 15:25 |
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| Eruaran | BenQ is inviting feedback from us | Nov 28 15:25 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft should be like Google... labeling everything "Beta" | Nov 28 15:25 |
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| Eruaran | My feedback is, "can I haz Linux on the non-crappy one ?" | Nov 28 15:25 |
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| MinceR | all versions of windows are either "work in progress" or "end of life" | Nov 28 15:26 |
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| MinceR | microsoft never had any software of beta quality | Nov 28 15:26 |
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| schestowitz | IBM does? | Nov 28 15:26 |
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| MinceR | dunno | Nov 28 15:26 |
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| Eruaran | BenQ will be offering low powered devices perfect for folks who just want to check their email and surf the web, general stuff... | Nov 28 15:26 |
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| MinceR | i've heard os/2 was good in its time | Nov 28 15:26 |
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| MinceR | (i suppose as good as a cp/m clone can be anyway) | Nov 28 15:27 |
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| MinceR | (even if it's a protected mode cp/m clone) | Nov 28 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... "Bennett told the Manchester Media Festival that Ross had "agreed to reduce swearing in his television show after that incident"." | Nov 28 15:27 |
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| Eruaran | It was better than Windows at least | Nov 28 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe the MSBBC can -buy- license that patent from the Vole | Nov 28 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | Better in terms of marketing too? | Nov 28 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is still a marketing company. Same with Apple. | Nov 28 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | Both use the lawyers extensively as well... for Apple it seems like a new thing. | Nov 28 15:28 |
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| MinceR | yeah, little microsoft is trying to learn from big microsoft. | Nov 28 15:29 |
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| MinceR | as it sees the big one dying. | Nov 28 15:29 |
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| MinceR | wanting to take its place. | Nov 28 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | Sometimes they develop too... or 'offshore' it to Toshiba (Zune)... or try to do it themselves (XBox360) only to see 67% defect rate | Nov 28 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | McKinnon protests: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/2... | Nov 28 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they'll send him to Guantanamo bay for all that TERROR~1. :-p | Nov 28 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | Good people fo good things... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/28/po... ... and arrested under TERROR~1 excuse... | Nov 28 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | "The leaks are believed to include: revealing that Jacqui Smith knew the Security Industry Authority had given licenses to 5,000 illegal immigrants, that an illegal immigrant was working as a cleaner in the House of Commons and a letter from Jacqui Smith warning that a recession would likely lead to an increase in crime." | Nov 28 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | Lots about the Commission today. Toast to regulation! ;-) European Commission consults on class action lawsuits < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/28... > | Nov 28 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | The NOVL shenanigans passed this lie as a press release in Dutch (total deception): http://www.persberichten.com/persbericht.a... | Nov 28 16:40 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Nov 28 16:41 |
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| trmanco | Portugal has Wintroll fanboism of its own you know | Nov 28 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | AllofAfrica get lazy and just post Novell PR verbatim as though it's an article *cough*: http://allafrica.com/stories/2008... | Nov 28 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, someone told me | Nov 28 16:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/12/fulls... | Nov 28 16:43 |
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| trmanco | Talkken? | Nov 28 16:43 |
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| schestowitz | No, I can't say | Nov 28 16:45 |
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| trmanco | oh, but did you see the site that I have in mind now? | Nov 28 16:46 |
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| trmanco | it is awful and disgusting | Nov 28 16:46 |
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| trmanco | stupidity at its highest level | Nov 28 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | Yuckaa!! "According to Gartner (2), ISV enthusiasm has always been a major driver behind OS success. This enthusiasm helps generate demand for in-vogue products, which in turn stimulates yet more ISVs to increase their focus." | Nov 28 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | [From Novell's PR BTW] | Nov 28 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | Gartner, Gartner.. PLEASE, we beg you, give us a QUOTE! | Nov 28 16:47 |
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| Eruaran | "enthusiasm" is what they call it eh ? | Nov 28 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, quote, O precious quotes! It's from Gartner. We can frame it. | Nov 28 16:47 |
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| Eruaran | I got enthusiasms... | Nov 28 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | Stamped by Gartner. Therefore APPROVES . PTO. | Nov 28 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | Can I haz Gartner quotta? | Nov 28 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | IT's from here: http://www.persberichten.com/persbericht.asp... | Nov 28 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | Also here: http://www.hotfrog.nl/Companies/Yellow-Communic... | Nov 28 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | This makes me angry: | Nov 28 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://it.tmcnet.com/topics/it/articles/46339-g... | Nov 28 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | Stupid pseudo journalists stick an 'article' label on Novell press releases. | Nov 28 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | It's a generation of robo-journo. | Nov 28 16:53 |
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| trmanco | http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/ | Nov 28 16:55 |
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| trmanco | cool | Nov 28 16:55 |
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| trmanco | it has been updated | Nov 28 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | Sys-con is meanwhile spamming the news as usual.. http://symbian.sys-con.com/node/749658 .. see if you can spot Novell there. | Nov 28 16:55 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Hey roy | Nov 28 16:56 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: I have a good ebook about m$ | Nov 28 16:56 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: According to you recent posts regarding Mono, Novell, and Microsoft, do you suggest that this is something to be worried about? I mean is it getting seriously threatening? | Nov 28 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: http://boycottnovell.com/microsoft-c... | Nov 28 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: it ought to be removed. | Nov 28 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | if people want Mono, it's a click away | Nov 28 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | putting it there by default is dangerous and improper | Nov 28 16:57 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: nice. do you have other such 'special' pages too? | Nov 28 16:57 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Yeah, that's true. | Nov 28 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | People deserve an explanation of Mono and what it means. It doesn't deserve precedence as default apps sety | Nov 28 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | *set | Nov 28 16:57 |
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| seller_liar | http://www.amazon.com/Just-Say-No-M... | Nov 28 16:57 |
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| seller_liar | this book | Nov 28 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, hold on | Nov 28 16:57 |
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| seller_liar | I can send you ,But I do not know if this is a copyright infringement | Nov 28 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | julia makes this: http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/i... | Nov 28 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: I wrote about Intel this morning: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11... (you asked for such posts | Nov 28 16:58 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I just don't understand, how is pre-installing Mono in Ubuntu, Fedora, and several more distros supposed to benefit the Linux community..? | Nov 28 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | It brings it into alignment with Novell's 'Linux' (Ballnux) | Nov 28 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | There's bad poisonware like Moonlight | Nov 28 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | So the whole Mono 'stack' is becoming appendage and bureen | Nov 28 17:00 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Yes ,I see thanks | Nov 28 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | Soon you'll see even KDE users putting on the Mono infection with Go-OO and MooNovellight. | Nov 28 17:00 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: It's making me feel worried the "sudo apt-get --purge common libmono0" command won't be enough to ensure an complete and total removal of the Mono poisonware when Jaunty comes to light.. | Nov 28 17:00 |
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| Eruaran | Not me, I'm already using KOffice 2.0 Beta 3 | Nov 28 17:00 |
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| Omar87 | that* the | Nov 28 17:01 |
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| Eruaran | sudo apt-get install mononono | Nov 28 17:01 |
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| Omar87 | Eruaran: Yeah, and I'm using OO.O 3 too. | Nov 28 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | Really? Omar87 got source for that/ | Nov 28 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | ? | Nov 28 17:01 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: No, I got not source for that. But I'm just worried that this might happen, according to your posts. | Nov 28 17:02 |
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| Omar87 | no* | Nov 28 17:02 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: lol. Well, if it ever happens, all I need to do is to switch to another distro. where the poisonware is less incorporated with the system. :) | Nov 28 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | Poisonware is a word from [H]omer. | Nov 28 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not sure I should use it much.. it's a weasel word. | Nov 28 17:06 |
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| neighborlee | well its ok guys.fedora is getting on the non -mono bandwagon and we know d ebian doenst have it in their default install either ;) | Nov 28 17:11 |
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| neighborlee | and gals if any o_0 | Nov 28 17:11 |
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| neighborlee | :) | Nov 28 17:11 |
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| neighborlee | and fedora is top #1 spot at distrowatch atm..:) | Nov 28 17:12 |
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| neighborlee | by quite a margin | Nov 28 17:12 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: You might wanna take a look at this: http://www.msversus.org/micro... | Nov 28 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: Fedora gets off it? | Nov 28 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | Got URL to show this? | Nov 28 17:15 |
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| neighborlee | Omar87, ubuntu can do what it wants..debian ( its core afterall) prob. wont ever ship it as part of distro and neither now will fedora..so I see alot of pressure on them from both fronts ;) | Nov 28 17:15 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, fedora 10 default livecd install ( which 'get fedora' suggests anyway) has mono nowhere in sight | Nov 28 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | What about the other CD? | Nov 28 17:15 |
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| neighborlee | no idea | Nov 28 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | They could argue for space constraints. | Nov 28 17:16 |
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| neighborlee | but as I say..the livecd is what they 'suggest' you download anyway, so its semi moot | Nov 28 17:16 |
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| neighborlee | I dont buy space | Nov 28 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: I know that quote at the top | Nov 28 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | ""Microsoft looks at new ideas, they don't evaluate whether the idea will move the industry forward, they ask, 'how will it help us sell more copies of Windows?'" - Bill Gates in The Seattle Weekly, April 30, 1998" | Nov 28 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | I think Debian used space as reason/excuse | Nov 28 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | Tomboy brings a wallop of Mono with it, so they booted it | Nov 28 17:17 |
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| neighborlee | not unless they showed what app was needed and for which mono had to go ,,but still moonlight wont go anywhere near fedora and moonlight depends on mono so I dont see this as a issue ;) | Nov 28 17:17 |
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| neighborlee | the moonlight/mono thing, would apply to debian as well | Nov 28 17:17 |
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| neighborlee | both debian and fedora are both very careful about OSS,, | Nov 28 17:18 |
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| neighborlee | but yeah if space was a issue at all, id like to know what the exact #'s are. | Nov 28 17:18 |
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| trmanco | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archive... | Nov 28 17:19 |
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| neighborlee | but that something else wasn't removed and mono included at least says something about them not wanting it there ? | Nov 28 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: I'll post another alert | Nov 28 17:23 |
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| trmanco | ok | Nov 28 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | It's like putting light on cockroaches, to use an analogy I saw earlier. | Nov 28 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | The comment here: http://digg.com/tech_news/BT_Bans_Talkin... | Nov 28 17:24 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: How about we organize a global petition against Mono being pre-installed and pre-tuned with Linux? | Nov 28 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | Can you run it? | Nov 28 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | Another Novell.. Hehe. "Novell Engineering Limited" http://www.vanguardngr.com/... | Nov 28 17:26 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Well, I'm not sure I can. | Nov 28 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | There is also a Novell that does Wedding Rings... it keeps spamming YouTube with its junk adverts. | Nov 28 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | Have you voted up the Brainstorm thing? | Nov 28 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/16026/ | Nov 28 17:27 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Excuse me? | Nov 28 17:27 |
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| Omar87 | Cool | Nov 28 17:27 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Is it true that Fedora is now more popular than Ubuntu? | Nov 28 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | The Mono boosters are storming the brainstorm. | Nov 28 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | Watch how all at once they come in -1-ing it. | Nov 28 17:29 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: 'coz I can see the total opposite at distrowatch. | Nov 28 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: get a load of this http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/16026/ | Nov 28 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: it's because of the release. | Nov 28 17:29 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, checking | Nov 28 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | It will last days/weeks, then be normalised | Nov 28 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | I don't have anything to do with this, but someone posted this in USENET | Nov 28 17:30 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, its ok it really is | Nov 28 17:32 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, directHEX, continues to make him?herself look foolish. | Nov 28 17:32 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, we have to continually show them for what they are..fear mongerers that when they cant seem to win their arguement, that they resort to attacks of smear ;) | Nov 28 17:33 |
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| neighborlee | or abuse ;) | Nov 28 17:34 |
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| neighborlee | &/or :) | Nov 28 17:34 |
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| Omar87 | http://brainstorm.ubuntu.c... | Nov 28 17:40 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Excuse me for this but I really never imagined RMS to be so naive regarding the Mono thing.. | Nov 28 17:41 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Probably because he's a pure-hearted peace-loving man..? | Nov 28 17:43 |
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| NthDegree | Mono isn't such a big deal when you think about it | Nov 28 17:43 |
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| NthDegree | MS will lose marketshare if it catches on | Nov 28 17:43 |
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| Omar87 | NthDegree: How's that? | Nov 28 17:43 |
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| NthDegree | people running MS apps on Linux and Mac OS X will cause MS a headache, patents or no patents | Nov 28 17:43 |
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| Omar87 | NthDegree: that sounds true. | Nov 28 17:44 |
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| NthDegree | GNU/Linux lovers who are into freedom can steer clear of Mono, lovers of monopolists can use Mono and still contribute to MS' downfall | Nov 28 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | NthDegree: what market share? | Nov 28 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | Developer share? | Nov 28 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | Application share? | Nov 28 17:44 |
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| NthDegree | schestowitz, application share | Nov 28 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | "Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers, Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers, Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers,Developers, Developers,Developers,Developers," --Steve Ballmer | Nov 28 17:44 |
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| NthDegree | developers should avoid Mono | Nov 28 17:44 |
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| neighborlee | Omar87, well rms does at least say apps should not be done in mono, and that if fspot and their type of apps are deemed so IMPortant, they should be rewritten , as he sees mono encrroachment on gnome as a bad thing. | Nov 28 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | But Novell encourages that | Nov 28 17:45 |
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| NthDegree | unless they are Wine developers of course >.> | Nov 28 17:45 |
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| neighborlee | NthDegree, yup | Nov 28 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | It gives them an IDE | Nov 28 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | It hires Mono devs | Nov 28 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | And it chooses it of important project, which render it hard to avoid | Nov 28 17:45 |
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| NthDegree | Mono could be a handy thing in some cases | Nov 28 17:45 |
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| neighborlee | I think while advocating against mono, we should loudly voice that debian and fedora default installs dont ship them. | Nov 28 17:46 |
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| NthDegree | if Mono gets features .NET doesn't have then... >.> | Nov 28 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: Microsoft is HELPING mono. | Nov 28 17:46 |
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| NthDegree | yeah Fedora will never be shipping mono | Nov 28 17:46 |
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| neighborlee | yup we know.. | Nov 28 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | Do you think they help "their own demise" as you name it/ | Nov 28 17:46 |
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| neighborlee | but it does not matter much really | Nov 28 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | ? | Nov 28 17:46 |
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| Omar87 | NthDegree: It sounds like the same trap MS had been running from for a long time. | Nov 28 17:46 |
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| NthDegree | schestowitz, yep... MS are already trying their last attempts at staying afloat | Nov 28 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntu is the same with MS codecs | Nov 28 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | Mark Shuttleworth speaks to the Vole | Nov 28 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | I was told that.. but only about codecs | Nov 28 17:47 |
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| NthDegree | Sun are worse at the moment | Nov 28 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | NthDegree: next Microsoft is the next SCO, at least in part | Nov 28 17:47 |
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| NthDegree | they are pretty much sleeping with Microsoft, while taking potshots at Red Hat | Nov 28 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | Don't give them ammunition | Nov 28 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | Just watch what became of Rambus | Nov 28 17:48 |
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| neighborlee | NthDegree, yup | Nov 28 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | Novell takes potshots at Sun | Nov 28 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | I wrote to Phipps earlier | Nov 28 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | It's about Java mostly. | Nov 28 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | GNU/Linux NEEDS Java | Nov 28 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | For OOP | Nov 28 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | You can't rely on Microsoft fans like Miguel and Microsoft partners like Novell. | Nov 28 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | They already threaten to sue. | Nov 28 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | Laugh all you want, but they already resort to extortion. | Nov 28 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | So with or without a suit, this causes damanage | Nov 28 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | I hear about businesses that are foolishly enough paying Microsoft for peace because of racketeering-like deals. | Nov 28 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | Some CIOs steer away from GNU/Linux because of those Microsoft threats that they 'planted' in the press in May 2007 | Nov 28 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | It's just another SCO-like "If you choose FOSS, watch you back... in a few years terrible things might happen" | Nov 28 17:51 |
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| Omar87 | CIO's? As in Chief Information Officers? | Nov 28 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, whatever. | Nov 28 17:52 |
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| NthDegree | it's a damn shame they did that | Nov 28 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | Pointy-haired people who know brochures better than tech. | Nov 28 17:53 |
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| NthDegree | if they hadn't they'd probably be the best company in FOSS right now | Nov 28 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | Who? SCO? | Nov 28 17:54 |
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| NthDegree | Novell | Nov 28 17:56 |
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| NthDegree | SCO were never interested in FOSS | Nov 28 17:56 |
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| NthDegree | They wanted to dictate standards for "UNIX" | Nov 28 17:57 |
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| NthDegree | schestowitz, how's tomorrow's article coming along? =] | Nov 28 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | I'll do a quick headsup about Mono | Nov 28 18:00 |
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| schestowitz | schestowitz: which one? SCO? | Nov 28 18:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1... | Nov 28 18:03 |
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| schestowitz | Mafia 'mobile phone gun' seized < http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/tec... > | Nov 28 18:11 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. BN in Brazil: http://computerworld.uol.com.br/mercado/2008/... | Nov 28 18:12 |
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| trmanco | http://maketecheasier.com/10-of-the-best-lin... | Nov 28 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | Good set | Nov 28 18:15 |
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| trmanco | yeah | Nov 28 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | Google will hopefully favour open source browsers like Fennec, not Opera.. http://www.linuxinsider.com/rssto... | Nov 28 18:21 |
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| neighborlee | well im not sure about windows, but I can tell you for sure that in linux ( fedora 10 here) firefox is a resource hog yet opera runs rather efficiently.not sure whats causing it but its very apparant. < never heard of fennec> | Nov 28 18:24 |
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| MinceR | i hope firefox will be at least as good as opera :> | Nov 28 18:25 |
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| trmanco | why isn't it? | Nov 28 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | Extensions make a huge difference. | Nov 28 18:29 |
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| neighborlee | atm I have none running | Nov 28 18:29 |
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| trmanco | I have about 3 | Nov 28 18:30 |
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| trmanco | and 1 in Thunderbird | Nov 28 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | I have over 20, I think | Nov 28 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | Most are disabled though. | Nov 28 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | Some of them I've had since 2005 | Nov 28 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. 2004 | Nov 28 18:31 |
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| trmanco | :p | Nov 28 18:31 |
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| MinceR | 193649 < trmanco> why isn't it? | Nov 28 18:31 |
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| MinceR | it's slower. | Nov 28 18:31 |
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| trmanco | A little, I have to admit this | Nov 28 18:31 |
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| MinceR | also, afaik it lacks some minor features such as fit to width. | Nov 28 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: what wares are you on? | Nov 28 18:31 |
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| MinceR | what do you mean, schestowitz | Nov 28 18:31 |
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| trmanco | it is less resposive in some cases | Nov 28 18:31 |
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| MinceR | ? | Nov 28 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | It was a pain on old gear, I admit, esp. with plugins | Nov 28 18:32 |
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| trmanco | responsive* | Nov 28 18:32 |
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| MinceR | also, i have yet to once again make a full evaluation of firefox | Nov 28 18:32 |
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| MinceR | that is, with all the extensions needed to provide stuff i got used to on opera | Nov 28 18:32 |
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| MinceR | last time i tried it was remarkably unstable that way | Nov 28 18:32 |
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| MinceR | but i've heard it's stable with extensions now | Nov 28 18:32 |
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| trmanco | unstable? | Nov 28 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | What da fork is this < http://www.linuxworld.com.au/art... >. Adverts as articles... | Nov 28 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, that too (re stability) | Nov 28 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | FF 1.5 gave me pain with plugin collisions... | Nov 28 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | Those were the days... SUSE daze | Nov 28 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | GNU/Linux and FOSS like Firefox are so much more advanced now... having outpaced the competition, in my humble assessment | Nov 28 18:35 |
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| schestowitz | People try to associate platforms with applications... | Nov 28 18:35 |
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| schestowitz | As if to say, "Windows is better" because it runs better games? Well, that's no Windows... it's like judging a person's nose based on a fly that's lodging on it. | Nov 28 18:36 |
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| MinceR | as far as i'm concerned, many of the best games also run on linux anyway | Nov 28 18:37 |
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| MinceR | though epic games has betrayed us. :/ | Nov 28 18:37 |
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| PetoKraus | right | Nov 28 18:39 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm off to play Ufo AI ;) | Nov 28 18:39 |
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| NthDegree | just looking at the mono poison article | Nov 28 18:41 |
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| NthDegree | It depends on how vendors play it.. but Mono when combined with Wine could be a "Microsoft killer" | Nov 28 18:41 |
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| neighborlee | MinceR, how so .what did I MISSSSSSSSS ;) | Nov 28 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | Getty ghetto mafiaaa: http://www.theinquirer.net/feed... | Nov 28 18:42 |
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| neighborlee | MinceR, course last thing I tried was ut2004, and thats AGES ago, so hmm ;) | Nov 28 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | Quakewars | Nov 28 18:42 |
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| NthDegree | neighborlee, UT2003 is screwy on Linux | Nov 28 18:42 |
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| neighborlee | ah | Nov 28 18:43 |
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| NthDegree | one version is older and can't play on most servers but has sound | Nov 28 18:43 |
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| NthDegree | updated latest version: no sound and loads of things messed up | Nov 28 18:43 |
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| NthDegree | it's like they crippled it | Nov 28 18:43 |
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| MinceR | neighborlee: epic has promised there'd be a ut3 client for linux | Nov 28 18:43 |
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| neighborlee | PetoKraus, hm is it MP | Nov 28 18:43 |
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| MinceR | this happened over 1 year ago | Nov 28 18:43 |
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| MinceR | and nothing ever came of it | Nov 28 18:43 |
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| NthDegree | UT GOTY... crashes my box every now and again | Nov 28 18:43 |
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| neighborlee | is this the newest epic game orwhat | Nov 28 18:43 |
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| NthDegree | I don't buy games for general-purpose OSes anymore.. | Nov 28 18:44 |
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| neighborlee | are you talking about unreal3 or unreal tournament 3,3 is rather old now | Nov 28 18:44 |
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| neighborlee | very old | Nov 28 18:44 |
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| MinceR | i'm talking about ut3 | Nov 28 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | Another DRM-loving company easts dust. http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n... | Nov 28 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | *eats | Nov 28 18:45 |
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| neighborlee | MinceR, yes well thats very old..ut2004 at least has great support, last I knew anyway | Nov 28 18:46 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, nice | Nov 28 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | Indian developers taking over the world - Will soon surpass US < http://www.theinquirer.net/feeds/rss/gene... > | Nov 28 18:46 |
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| MinceR | so, how heavily is india brainwashed by big microsoft and little microsoft? | Nov 28 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | Lots | Nov 28 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | That's the issue. | Nov 28 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | Just watch what they do in uni's | Nov 28 18:49 |
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| neighborlee | well they wont be taking over in the langugage department anytime soon..I have nothing against them they are lovely people..but I sometimes 'struggle' alot to understand them through that thick accent. | Nov 28 18:50 |
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| PetoKraus | neighborlee: yes, there is a multiplayer | Nov 28 18:50 |
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| neighborlee | PetoKraus, ok thx | Nov 28 18:50 |
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| PetoKraus | it's very good rework of old Xcom: Enemy Unknown | Nov 28 18:51 |
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| PetoKraus | even the AI of your marines is as stupid as it was | Nov 28 18:51 |
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| neighborlee | PetoKraus, :) | Nov 28 18:51 |
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| PetoKraus | after few hours of playing you end up "what the fuck, out of 16 shots fired you happen to miss 15?!?" | Nov 28 18:52 |
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| neighborlee | PetoKraus, as yes I remember this now..tried to get afriend to play it, but she's major into RPG so its not much of a go..are there are any free mmorpg types games in linux yet :))) | Nov 28 18:52 |
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| neighborlee | PetoKraus, lol | Nov 28 18:52 |
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| neighborlee | PetoKraus, you think thats bad you shoudl try combat arms,,, | Nov 28 18:52 |
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| neighborlee | PetoKraus, on my own id never had played it, but I endulge a good friend that deems it worthy ;) | Nov 28 18:52 |
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| neighborlee | had/have | Nov 28 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | Oh Bhhoy | Nov 28 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | "eet" is accessing BN again.. using his familiar routes in Germany. | Nov 28 18:53 |
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| neighborlee | I think setting up a filter would be kinda funny..seeing missing pieces of someones post because they couldn't resist using inflammatory adjectives ;)..I say doooooooooo it ;)) | Nov 28 18:55 |
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| neighborlee | but then im just in that kinda mood atm ;) | Nov 28 18:55 |
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| neighborlee | as in happy,,karen carpenters voice does that to me ;) | Nov 28 18:55 |
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| neighborlee | especialy at xmas time ;)) | Nov 28 18:56 |
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| MinceR | oh, fennec is the mobile version of mozilla, right? | Nov 28 18:56 |
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| MinceR | that gives me hope for fit to width and similar features in firefox... | Nov 28 18:56 |
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| neighborlee | Distributions indirectly funded by Microsoft like OpenSuse however should definitely have lots of .net/mono apps installed by default! < ROFL ;) | Nov 28 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, it is. It might be called something else.. like codename versus product name | Nov 28 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | Hoary Hedgehog. yuck! Good distro, bad name. | Nov 28 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | I used Warty Warthog too (at work) | Nov 28 18:58 |
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| neighborlee | they could not have chosen better , given what they ship by defaut ;) | Nov 28 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | Miss Piggy Vista | Nov 28 19:00 |
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| neighborlee | lol | Nov 28 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | Vista Wart Edition is the one before SP1 | Nov 28 19:01 |
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| neighborlee | no doubt | Nov 28 19:01 |
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| neighborlee | and on anything less than 3 gigs of ram ;) | Nov 28 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | He explained the nam e though (M.S.) | Nov 28 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | it's becuase it still had warts (bugs) | Nov 28 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | It was a binary large Debian back then | Nov 28 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | Ugly icons set | Nov 28 19:02 |
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| neighborlee | what a lovely reason for a name ...fulfills dreams of a stable alternative to windows doesn't it ;) | Nov 28 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2060... ( Bloomberg 11/24: U.S. Pledges Top $7.7 Trillion to Ease Frozen Credit ) | Nov 28 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | happy thanksgiving. | Nov 28 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.cnbc.com/id/27835645 ( CNBC 11/21: All US Financials Will be Nationalized in a Year: Manager ( | Nov 28 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | black friday | Nov 28 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?... ( Blooomberg 11/25: Food Prices Will Rise, Causing Export Bans, Riots: Chart of Day ) | Nov 28 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | Mee.e.e.e.rry Xmas... | Nov 28 19:04 |
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| neighborlee | well at least gas is liveable atm ;0- | Nov 28 19:05 |
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| neighborlee | but yeah food gouges us all | Nov 28 19:05 |
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| trmanco | http://www.romancortes.com/blog/tu... | Nov 28 19:05 |
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| schestowitz | "he U.S. government is prepared to provide more than $7.76 trillion on behalf of American taxpayers after guaranteeing $306 billion of Citigroup Inc. debt yesterday. " | Nov 28 19:07 |
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| schestowitz | €«The prediction is made by a hedge fund manager who is up 40% over the past year. How? He saw stuff coming and went long no bonds. ("I look like a genius at the moment!") He also predicts an 80% decline in stocks. He predicts a 4-5% GDP drop next year.€» | Nov 28 19:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://technocrat.net/d/2008/11/22/54627 | Nov 28 19:08 |
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| schestowitz | "If you are a US citizen, you've now "invested" over 25 grand on bailouts (you might have received upto 600 bucks in instant rebates for that expenditure though to make you feel better about it). That's brand new babies on up, so if you have a family, add it up. " | Nov 28 19:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://technocrat.net/d/2008/11/24/54746 | Nov 28 19:09 |
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| neighborlee | well I hope they use the money more wisely that giving their people free spa passes :)) | Nov 28 19:09 |
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| schestowitz | "I think it would have been better if we had called their economic terrorism bluff and had them explain from jail cells how the economy was now going to crash, and exactly why again, in a bit more detail with some more exact names/dates/places to further clarify this "emergency" situation." | Nov 28 19:09 |
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| schestowitz | Well, those who corrupted and milk the system get the monet | Nov 28 19:09 |
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| schestowitz | RMS calls it extreme capitalism | Nov 28 19:10 |
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| schestowitz | Let's call it extreme corruption | Nov 28 19:10 |
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| neighborlee | but I really hope they stick it to us car manufacturers that stuck it to us by not increasing MPG.. | Nov 28 19:10 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, agreeed.. | Nov 28 19:10 |
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| schestowitz | Cars are NOT a priority | Nov 28 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | Some years from now it's possible that more of the population won't be able to afford it | Nov 28 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | No more "car for dad, car for mummy and one car for the 18-year-old college gal" | Nov 28 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | They must use the money to bail out all those people who now live in Tent Cities(R) | Nov 28 19:12 |
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| neighborlee | the irony..we can all drive way less pollution vehicles as in having the technology mostly in place, yet only a percentage can make the cost of ownership ;) | Nov 28 19:12 |
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| neighborlee | yup | Nov 28 19:12 |
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| schestowitz | Not f*ing car-making execs who fly to DC on PRIVATE planes. | Nov 28 19:13 |
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| neighborlee | as my friend said, they shoud have given all of us our own homes thereby radically removing that one huge cost of ownership and most likely doing alot to decrease violence as well ;) | Nov 28 19:14 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, agreed again | Nov 28 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | Back to sleep, neighborlee. | Nov 28 19:14 |
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| neighborlee | ok ;) | Nov 28 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | People don't want to hear it. ;-) | Nov 28 19:14 |
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| neighborlee | not yet | Nov 28 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | It's too.. well, reality strikes, ain't it? | Nov 28 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | Don't worry. | Nov 28 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | You'll wake up tomorrow and it'll be back to Mercedes and 3 vacations in El Salvador per year | Nov 28 19:15 |
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| neighborlee | maybe so ;) | Nov 28 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | Tecnocrat has been beating that drum for ages. | Nov 28 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | It has been hard to ignore all their posts about the ecnonomy... in a site that's intended to focus on F/OSS | Nov 28 19:16 |
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| neighborlee | hm | Nov 28 19:19 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, well something to remember though..obama has a mandate..many people are basically expecting 'change'..and that takes on many forms, not just economical..he has alot to deliver on to avoid dashing peoples opinions of him so we'll see ..I think his current appointments make it clear he 's on the right track. | Nov 28 19:22 |
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| trmanco | http://www.correiodamanha.pt/noticia.aspx?cha... | Nov 28 19:24 |
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| trmanco | Institute for Employment three million paid to Microsoft: http://translate.google.com/t... | Nov 28 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | Change... losing a house is change, losing a job too. Regardless of who got elected, it's not a good time to be president. He'll be remembered in a bad light. | Nov 28 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: thanks. I'll post this in a moment. | Nov 28 19:33 |
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| trmanco | the translation kinda sucks | Nov 28 19:33 |
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| trmanco | but you understood it right? | Nov 28 19:33 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, I have faith in obama's abilities though, and in those whom he keeps company... | Nov 28 19:33 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, if he is consistent to his stump speaches I think he will take us all in a much better direction, he has already been very honest, and even does youtube videos, which is a first I think..he's very transparent | Nov 28 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | I bet they'll be prancing and dancing over "Microsoft savings" (because there is nothing but Microsoft in computers *rolls eyes*) | Nov 28 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: I won't say much about it. The article is mainly about Italy | Nov 28 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | Also Holland. | Nov 28 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | It's about price-gouging of MS in EU | Nov 28 19:35 |
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| trmanco | well, that is from Portugal but may also apply in other EU countries | Nov 28 19:35 |
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| trmanco | The Outlook for Vista Gets Even Worse: http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolbox... | Nov 28 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | Gah. | Nov 28 19:41 |
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| schestowitz | Mono boosters in BN again. | Nov 28 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | The usual spin... Mono is a cheap imitation of .NET, which is turn is an imitation of Java. Java is GPL-licensed now, so there's hardly a reason to avoid it. Novell, which owns Mono, is just trying to help Microsoft which feeds it hundreds of millions of dollars to do this thing, among other things like harming Red Hat. | Nov 28 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | The usual suspects too: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/28/... | Nov 28 19:42 |
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| trmanco | ... | Nov 28 19:43 |
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| trmanco | seen that | Nov 28 19:43 |
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| trmanco | you are going to probably going to be attacked by a lot of Mboosters, they usually come in big crowds just like on Ubuntu brainstorm | Nov 28 19:44 |
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| trmanco | :O | Nov 28 19:44 |
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| trmanco | made some errors, you get the point | Nov 28 19:45 |
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| trmanco | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a... | Nov 28 19:48 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, seen it | Nov 28 19:49 |
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| trmanco | cool | Nov 28 19:49 |
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| trmanco | no winner | Nov 28 19:49 |
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| trmanco | :-P | Nov 28 19:49 |
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| trmanco | LOL http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/SimplyJun/~3/4... | Nov 28 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.mono-project.com/WinForms "This does not include the Mono name, logo, or icon, which are registered trademarks of Novell" | Nov 28 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | Even a Novell logo there | Nov 28 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | Yay! Novellsoft code inside Ubuntu. What's next? Some pure Microsoft code too? | Nov 28 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | "EXAMPLES baby -sex f -name Jacqueline" | Nov 28 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | "baby -sex [m|f] [-name name]" | Nov 28 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | ââÅâââ¬(roy@localhost Fri, 28 Nov 08)ââ⬗——— —————————————— ——————————âââ¬(/home/roy)âââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢â | Nov 28 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | ââââââ¬(19:53 $)âââ¬> man baby | Nov 28 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | No manual entry for baby | Nov 28 19:54 |
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| trmanco | lol | Nov 28 19:54 |
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| trmanco | you need to install those funny man pages | Nov 28 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | I know, I know.. | Nov 28 19:54 |
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| MinceR | mincer@stormwind(pts/2) % man woman | Nov 28 19:54 |
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| MinceR | No manual entry for woman | Nov 28 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | It required MONO! No..j/k | Nov 28 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | ââââââ¬(19:55 $)âââ¬> man man | Nov 28 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | WARNING: terminal is not fully functional | Nov 28 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | Thank goodness. | Nov 28 19:55 |
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| trmanco | lol | Nov 28 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | It's really what I get | Nov 28 19:56 |
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| trmanco | weird | Nov 28 19:57 |
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| trmanco | I have man man | Nov 28 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | My chartype | Nov 28 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | I customise bash | Nov 28 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | Man pages give me warnings | Nov 28 19:57 |
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| trmanco | oh ok | Nov 28 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | ââââââ¬(19:57 $)âââ¬> man delbrot | Nov 28 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | No manual entry for delbrot | Nov 28 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | ââââââ¬(19:57 $)âââ¬> man help | Nov 28 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | WARNING: terminal is not fully functional | Nov 28 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | - (press RETURN) | Nov 28 19:58 |
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| MinceR | lol @ man delbrot | Nov 28 19:59 |
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| trmanco | how about a cow | Nov 28 20:01 |
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| trmanco | trmanco@trmanco-desktop:~$ cowsay Hello | Nov 28 20:01 |
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| trmanco | _______ | Nov 28 20:01 |
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| trmanco | < Hello > | Nov 28 20:01 |
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| trmanco | ------- | Nov 28 20:01 |
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| trmanco | \ ^__^ | Nov 28 20:01 |
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| trmanco | \ (oo)\_______ | Nov 28 20:01 |
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| trmanco | (__)\ )\/\ | Nov 28 20:01 |
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| trmanco | ||----w | | Nov 28 20:01 |
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| trmanco | || || | Nov 28 20:01 |
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| _doug | this kind of humor is what gives geeks a bad name ... | Nov 28 20:02 |
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| trmanco | ? | Nov 28 20:03 |
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| _doug | "baby is initiated when one parent process polls another server process through a socket connection in the BSD version or through pipes in the System V implementation" | Nov 28 20:03 |
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| MinceR | the internet is a series of pipes? | Nov 28 20:04 |
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| _doug | Is that a names pipe or some anonymous one-night-stand .. | Nov 28 20:04 |
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| _doug | named pipe .. | Nov 28 20:04 |
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| neighborlee | _doug, lol | Nov 28 20:04 |
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| trmanco | lol | Nov 28 20:05 |
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| _doug | "Is that a named pipe or some anonymous one-night-stand .." | Nov 28 20:05 |
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| _doug | later .. | Nov 28 20:05 |
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| neighborlee | trmanco, cute ;) | Nov 28 20:06 |
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| trmanco | the cow? | Nov 28 20:06 |
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| *_doug has quit () | Nov 28 20:06 |
| neighborlee | trmanco, being a proud pooche owner ( and very spoiled ) I can relate ;)) | Nov 28 20:07 |
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| neighborlee | trmanco, dog, cow,,it took it as a dog but, ok :)) | Nov 28 20:07 |
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| trmanco | lol | Nov 28 20:07 |
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| trmanco | ok :-P | Nov 28 20:07 |
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| neighborlee | lol | Nov 28 20:07 |
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| trmanco | I have a dragon too | Nov 28 20:08 |
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| trmanco | ... | Nov 28 20:08 |
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| trmanco | let me man cowsay | Nov 28 20:08 |
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| trmanco | meh | Nov 28 20:09 |
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| trmanco | can't find it | Nov 28 20:09 |
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| trmanco | but I can stick the cow's tongue out | Nov 28 20:09 |
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| neighborlee | ha | Nov 28 20:10 |
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| trmanco | trmanco@trmanco-desktop:~$ cowthink -T Q Hello | Nov 28 20:11 |
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| trmanco | _______ | Nov 28 20:11 |
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| trmanco | ( Hello ) | Nov 28 20:11 |
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| trmanco | ------- | Nov 28 20:11 |
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| trmanco | o ^__^ | Nov 28 20:11 |
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| trmanco | o (oo)\_______ | Nov 28 20:11 |
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| trmanco | (__)\ )\/\ | Nov 28 20:11 |
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| trmanco | Q ||----w | | Nov 28 20:11 |
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| trmanco | || || | Nov 28 20:11 |
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| trmanco | doesn't look like a tongue | Nov 28 20:12 |
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| MinceR | try -T U | Nov 28 20:12 |
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| trmanco | ha | Nov 28 20:13 |
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| trmanco | trmanco@trmanco-desktop:~$ cowthink -T U Doh! | Nov 28 20:13 |
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| trmanco | ______ | Nov 28 20:13 |
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| trmanco | ( Doh! ) | Nov 28 20:13 |
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| trmanco | ------ | Nov 28 20:13 |
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| trmanco | o ^__^ | Nov 28 20:13 |
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| trmanco | o (oo)\_______ | Nov 28 20:13 |
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| trmanco | (__)\ )\/\ | Nov 28 20:13 |
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| trmanco | U ||----w | | Nov 28 20:13 |
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| trmanco | || || | Nov 28 20:13 |
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| trmanco | :-P | Nov 28 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: can you give me a one-sentence summary of the article (Portugal)? | Nov 28 20:23 |
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| trmanco | sure | Nov 28 20:23 |
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| trmanco | 1 sec | Nov 28 20:23 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, will this do? | Nov 28 20:28 |
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| trmanco | The Institute of Employment and Vocational Training of Portugal will pay, by 2011, more than three million for 3700 licenses for Microsoft, according to the authorization published yesterday in the Daily Republic. | Nov 28 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. | Nov 28 20:28 |
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| trmanco | Vulnerable Windows Machines Sitting Ducks for the Conficker Worm: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Vulnerable-Win... | Nov 28 20:30 |
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| trmanco | instead of "for Microsoft" "to Microsoft" sounds better | Nov 28 20:30 |
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| trmanco | sorry for that little error | Nov 28 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. Done, with credit to open-mania. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/28... | Nov 28 20:33 |
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| trmanco | ok you're welcome | Nov 28 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, I spotted that error too an corrected it. | Nov 28 20:33 |
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| trmanco | ok | Nov 28 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | I imagine that Italian people will read it mostly. | Nov 28 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | However, I chained all those previous eye-openers from Portuga. | Nov 28 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | It's helpful later on when I create summaries or a 'case' against/for something. It's all a matter of collecting evidence and organising pointers. USENET is good at that too and it helps people who read it. They sometimes need to build a plan with supportive substance. | Nov 28 20:35 |
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| trmanco | one little thing | Nov 28 20:35 |
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| trmanco | you got a typo the open mania link | Nov 28 20:36 |
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| trmanco | http://open-mania./ | Nov 28 20:36 |
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| trmanco | lol | Nov 28 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | The Mono boosters have sunk to new laws. | Nov 28 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | They try to associate the messenger with mental illness. | Nov 28 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | Shooting down the message didn't work | Nov 28 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | Shooting down BN didn't work because mags like Forbes, InformationWeek, ComputerWorld etc. reference our site as a legitimate source. | Nov 28 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | So now they try a new tactic: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/22/protecti... " I suspect autism may play a part in the behaviour patterns" | Nov 28 20:38 |
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| trmanco | 174 comments :O | Nov 28 20:39 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, of course..information presented without ridicule as such is often represnted legimately ;))) | Nov 28 20:41 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, its those who do the reverse of that who are taken down by their own rhetoric ;)) | Nov 28 20:41 |
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| neighborlee | we are known by our deeds ;) | Nov 28 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: wrong URL. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/28/micro... | Nov 28 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | Copied from wrong tab. | Nov 28 20:44 |
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| trmanco | ha | Nov 28 20:44 |
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| trmanco | ok | Nov 28 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | Me: Mono is dangerous. | Nov 28 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | Troll: no, it's powerful | Nov 28 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | Me: look, it mimics Microsoft | Nov 28 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | Troll: you're autistic. | Nov 28 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | Me: *sigh* | Nov 28 20:45 |
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| MinceR | lol | Nov 28 20:45 |
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| MinceR | tell them that using the ad hominem fallacy makes them lose :> | Nov 28 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | I said so. | Nov 28 20:46 |
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| MinceR | or perhaps it's better to just point it out and ask for real arguments | Nov 28 20:46 |
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| neighborlee | rofl | Nov 28 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | They turn Ubuntu into cheap Windows (underneath) | Nov 28 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntu courses... | Nov 28 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | 101: .NET | Nov 28 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | 102: WinForms | Nov 28 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | XAML, MOOX, etc etc. | Nov 28 20:47 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, I still say search for words in posts and delete those , and make a note of it on the post thereby keeping things clean and making it obvious who uses such stuff ;,,but anyway I gotta log out to log into E,bbs ;) | Nov 28 20:47 |
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| trmanco | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Midmarket/SMB... | Nov 28 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | Tell Mark Shuttleworth that where he's heading is a done job. it's called ReactOS | Nov 28 20:48 |
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| MinceR | :) | Nov 28 20:48 |
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| MinceR | or it's called recruiting a lot of users for debian ;) | Nov 28 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: only SMBs? | Nov 28 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | Seems like eWeek runs out of material. | Nov 28 20:49 |
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| trmanco | no, that is just one part | Nov 28 20:49 |
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| trmanco | eweek is almost dead | Nov 28 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | It's the "Midmarket" section | Nov 28 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | But it's still silly to use such a title... it's like saying "Women are at risk due to weakening economy" | Nov 28 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: it *IS* dead | Nov 28 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | It's Ziff Davis. It's bankrupt... since last year | Nov 28 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | SJVN used to write there. He moved on. | Nov 28 20:51 |
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| trmanco | oh ok | Nov 28 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | Peter Galli used to boost Microsoft there. He joined Microsoft months ago | Nov 28 20:51 |
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| trmanco | My First Open Source Project: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/... | Nov 28 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | Serdar Yegulalp is all right. | Nov 28 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | I don't want to criticise much, but I found it odd that he's considered a senior writers on these matters although he was only introduced to it recently. | Nov 28 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | And he used to be a Windows journalist. They could have hired someone experiences like SJVN. | Nov 28 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | *experienced | Nov 28 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, look at this: http://news.alibaba.com/article/detail/tech-h... | Nov 28 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | "Editor: Sharon Li"... but the article is from SJVN. No credit. | Nov 28 21:08 |
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| trmanco | how do you know | Nov 28 21:10 |
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| trmanco | wait | Nov 28 21:11 |
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| trmanco | from computerworld? | Nov 28 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | I just mailed him | Nov 28 21:11 |
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| trmanco | ok | Nov 28 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archiv... | Nov 28 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | "The Conservative immigration spokesman, Damian Green, is not a figure ordinarily likely to elicit much sympathy from me - although Boris Johnson's call for an amnesty for illegal immigrants was the most sensible suggestion on immigration for many years. But the arrest of Damian Green MP is a constitutional outrage that may finally motivate our supine parliament to stand up to this domineering executive." | Nov 28 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | I posted about this earlier. http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/20... ( The Fear of Openness... ) So when one blows the whistle on high-level crooks, then it's TERROR~1 | Nov 28 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | Ugly vista for Windows Vista: v | Nov 28 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/bl... | Nov 28 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | No sub-notebooks from AMD after all... "And AMD? They are ignoring the market altogether." < http://osnews.com/story/20592/AMD_... > | Nov 28 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | That article from Alibaba was plagiarism indeed. | Nov 28 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | Just got it confirmed | Nov 28 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/11/i... ... I attended a talk from Irving 3 years ago (he came to Manchester). He's one that can be trusted. he brought change to IBM; he can do this at a broader level too, for sure. | Nov 28 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | Apple gets the public shaft: http://www.heise.de/english/news... | Nov 28 21:40 |
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| _doug | ? | Nov 28 22:01 |
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| trmanco | ? | Nov 28 22:02 |
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| _doug | wassup ? | Nov 28 22:02 |
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| _doug | http://www.dilbert.com/2008-11-28/ | Nov 28 22:05 |
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| _doug | method and apparatus for making a sandwich .. | Nov 28 22:09 |
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| _doug | http://www.ubersoft.net/ | Nov 28 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Nov 28 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | I'm having a faq | Nov 28 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | For BN | Nov 28 22:10 |
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| _doug | You mean, you're making a FAQ .. | Nov 28 22:11 |
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| trmanco | lol | Nov 28 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | I senr it to Glyn (the Ubsesoft thing) | Nov 28 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | He started it. | Nov 28 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | When I'm done with the FAQ, I'll fsck my hard-rive. | Nov 28 22:12 |
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| _doug | Where's ReverseDRC ? | Nov 28 22:14 |
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| _doug | He was here yesterday about this time ? | Nov 28 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Nov 28 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | He's here just rarely. Certain hours... | Nov 28 22:15 |
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| _doug | He would use Linux if he could run DirectX under wine .. | Nov 28 22:15 |
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| _doug | :) | Nov 28 22:15 |
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| _doug | Favorite distro BeOS .. | Nov 28 22:16 |
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| _doug | gtg .. | Nov 28 22:16 |
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| tacone | is someone writing about italy ? :) | Nov 28 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, tacone | Nov 28 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | I did a post earlier. | Nov 28 22:39 |
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| tacone | it is on rss :) | Nov 28 22:41 |
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| tacone | just not accessible from the web yet | Nov 28 22:41 |
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| GoblinRFD | Good evening from the UK......! | Nov 28 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | Howdy. | Nov 28 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: Oh, oops! It was marked as private. Should be fine now: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/28/mic... | Nov 28 22:51 |
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| tacone | yes | Nov 28 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | :-( http://www.happyassassin.net/2008... | Nov 28 23:49 |
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| GoblinRFD | Having not used Mandriva, I cant be too upset. However it is a shame, as the chap seems very dedicated. | Nov 28 23:53 |
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| schestowitz | He is. | Nov 28 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | Everyone suffers. | Nov 28 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | Google lays off, Microsoft lays off... I don't think Apple does. | Nov 28 23:54 |
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