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12.03.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 2nd, 2008 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 6:48 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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MinceR hay Dec 02 09:38
schestowitz Morning. Dec 02 09:40
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heizkostenabrech hello Dec 02 10:00
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nvbd can i read the tape data with linux from a backup that is made under novell? Dec 02 10:00
schestowitz Hery there. Dec 02 10:00
schestowitz Hey Dec 02 10:01
schestowitz Well, I don’t think we do technical questions here. Dec 02 10:01
nvbd yes hey Dec 02 10:01
schestowitz *first was a funny typo Dec 02 10:01
MinceR novell what? netware, microsoft linux, or something else? Dec 02 10:02
nvbd netware 5.11 Dec 02 10:03
MinceR dunno about that Dec 02 10:05
nvbd i also don`t know what to do Dec 02 10:06
nvbd i never used novell Dec 02 10:07
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schestowitz ‘Jobs&The Gang’ make a move: ;-) Apple swings DMCA at Hackintosh maker < http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… > Dec 02 10:56
schestowitz Only days ago they launched a fraudulent DMCA at Free software and GNU/Linux. Dec 02 10:56
schestowitz 20,000 Strong National Military Police for the USA < http://technocrat.net/d/2008/12/1/55011 > Dec 02 12:05
schestowitz Is it the USA or the NSA? Dec 02 12:06
schestowitz Ericsson to shed 100 staff in Australia and NZ < http://www.itwire.com/content/view… > Dec 02 12:12
Eruaran hai gaise :) Dec 02 12:17
schestowitz The leak made some big sites. Dec 02 12:18
schestowitz Thanks To The Lori Drew Case, I Can Make Each Of You A Criminal < http://techdirt.com/articles/200812… > Dec 02 12:18
schestowitz *LOL* Dec 02 12:18
schestowitz Only in the US.. Dec 02 12:18
Eruaran heh Dec 02 12:19
schestowitz “An ex-employee of Microsoft has released a new book … on open source software. Titled After the Software Wars, Keith Curtis’ book argues that not only is Microsoft “toast” but that the future of software is open source.” < http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=3753 > Dec 02 12:20
Eruaran nice Dec 02 12:21
kentma Presumably this is why he is an ex-employee Dec 02 12:23
schestowitz He’s not alone Dec 02 12:23
schestowitz There’s still a fidelity issue. Dec 02 12:23
Eruaran If IBM made advocates for change into ex-employees, IBM probably wouldn’t exist today. Dec 02 12:23
schestowitz While they realise Microsoft can’t compete (bar patents and terrorisation), they have friends back at the old employer, whom they help with Mono, OOXML and other agendas. Dec 02 12:24
schestowitz Eruaran: it would exist. Bailout corr^Hmoney Dec 02 12:24
schestowitz Like SGI Dec 02 12:24
Eruaran corr^Hmoney ? Dec 02 12:27
schestowitz curruption Dec 02 12:28
Eruaran ah Dec 02 12:28
schestowitz Doing the  crime, getting burned, getting paid by victims. Dec 02 12:29
Eruaran SGI got bailed out ? Dec 02 12:29
schestowitz I think they have govt protection Dec 02 12:29
MinceR what’s a cormoney? :> Dec 02 12:30
schestowitz I reckon Microsoftenters medical data and national libraries for similar reasons. Dec 02 12:30
schestowitz If it drowns, there will be some crooks sending them money. Dec 02 12:30
schestowitz curruption/money… by accident it sounds like Carmony, which is not far off. Dec 02 12:31
MinceR :) Dec 02 12:34
MinceR i think ^W would have worked better though Dec 02 12:34
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schestowitz Ask Mandriva to rehire Adam: http://www.petitiononline.com/qws589/… Dec 02 12:38
schestowitz Google’s Windows browser to get plugins < http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-… >. What about portability (other platforms)? Dec 02 12:40
MinceR since when does google care about portability? Dec 02 12:42
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schestowitz Wow. http://www.novatech.co.uk/nova… Dec 02 13:18
schestowitz Look what they achieve without anything like Flash… Dec 02 13:18
schestowitz Just JavaScript and CSS Dec 02 13:19
macabe Was the Plasmodon “evangelism” courses required training at MS? Dec 02 13:19
schestowitz Yes Dec 02 13:19
schestowitz Hold on. Dec 02 13:19
schestowitz From: http://scripting.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/scr… (2007, James speaks) Dec 02 13:21
macabe I’m discussingg it here n the lab, some here want to give ex-ms-softies a free pass. Dec 02 13:22
schestowitz “This overlooks the fact that my presentation was such a hit with DRG’s management that I gave it in three subsequent internal training sessions at (roughly) six-month intervals. DRG’s management REQUIRED the attendance of all newly-hired evangelists at these presentations, and the attendance & participation of all other evangelists was recommended.” Dec 02 13:22
schestowitz It’s for the shills department. Dec 02 13:22
schestowitz http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/bb905079.aspx Dec 02 13:22
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macabe Thanks. Won the bet. Too bad can’t share the free pizza for lunch with ya. Dec 02 13:25
schestowitz :-) :-) Dec 02 13:26
schestowitz Re: Microsoft open source ‘plug’ in Linuxpromag: “I’m not senile yet! So why would I even *think* about believing what the title is trying to convey? (No, I didn’t click.) Or that line, quoted in the summary, about OOXML being a “model of transparency.!” Puh-lease!” http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?lts… Dec 02 13:34
schestowitz Preston GWindowsalla: “..When he provides his depostion, Ballmer should do something novel when it comes to lawsuits: Tell the truth. He should admit that Microsoft bowed to Intel pressure and in response launched the marketing scheme..” http://www.pcworld.com/article/154729/ball… Dec 02 14:02
schestowitz Microsoft is once again using images of penguins to promote: http://www.pcworld.com/article/154740… Dec 02 14:04
twitter PCWorld is without clue.  M$ is already doing the damage control dance by announcing Vista7 will actually work with Intel chips.  Intel was screwed out of the graphics market for making a GPL driver, but no one seems to care about that. Dec 02 14:08
twitter M$ Search Bribery is a rip off in more ways than one.  http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=… Dec 02 14:12
twitter People thought they were getting a 40% discount but got 3% instead, when the thing worked.  Like most M$ services, it was down for a large part of the day. Dec 02 14:13
twitter The pricing algorithm must have made an error and not raised the price displayed by 50% before offering a discount coupon. Dec 02 14:14
twitter Everyone loves penguins.  They seem to be a symbol of reliability and cool performance under harsh conditions.  M$ will be seeing more of them. Dec 02 14:16
schestowitz Yes, downtime yesterday Dec 02 14:16
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/article/15… Dec 02 14:16
schestowitz twitter: regarding the penguin, the association with Mcirosoft is harmful. Dec 02 14:17
schestowitz Ken Starks complained about another recent incident. Dec 02 14:17
schestowitz It’s an assimilation step like that to open source.. confusing people.. maybe… just maybe. Dec 02 14:17
schestowitz It’s not as though they don’t know that the Linux mascot is the penguin (specifically Tux) Dec 02 14:18
twitter I don’t think anyone is going to be fooled.  As PJ says, people are not as dumb as M$ needs them to be. Dec 02 14:18
schestowitz Yes, I know that one. Dec 02 14:18
schestowitz FB to harvest more data: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techno… Dec 02 14:19
twitter One mistake people will make is to think that M$ is finally using free software themselves (I know, they always have done that).  That would be a good thing. Dec 02 14:19
twitter bbl Dec 02 14:19
schestowitz The MSBBC descends to Mirror-level tabloid trash: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techno… (this was in the TECHNOLOGY section) Dec 02 14:21
PetoKraus no offence, but that happens when you employ women as technical journalists :P Dec 02 14:28
schestowitz No, it’s not about gender. Dec 02 14:28
schestowitz Some guys are like that too. Dec 02 14:28
schestowitz For contrast, see PJ and how she kicks Microsoft below the belt. It’s not as though there’s no bold coverage from women. Dec 02 14:29
PetoKraus well, sure, but men journalists who write things like this don’t usually happen to be employed in tech ;) Dec 02 14:30
schestowitz I thought you might find this leak interesting: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/01/leaked… Dec 02 14:31
schestowitz It gets many views today. Like 1200 pages/hour today, overal… Dec 02 14:32
schestowitz [for the whole site, not just this page though] Dec 02 14:32
PetoKraus are you kidding me? Does it mean, that 9 of 10 doctors who reccomend Colgate Toothpaste are paid advertisement too?!? Dec 02 14:32
PetoKraus :P Dec 02 14:32
schestowitz Bad language in Ars: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/2008120… (“Poops”) Dec 02 14:33
PetoKraus oh come on, THAT’S bad language??!? Dec 02 14:33
PetoKraus i really should set some key to an interrobang Dec 02 14:34
schestowitz I know, I know.. Dec 02 14:34
schestowitz But I doubt you’d see CNN or BBC headlines like this… Dec 02 14:35
schestowitz Some people think that BN headlines are ‘strong’, but maybe they just misinterpret tone. Dec 02 14:35
schestowitz If you want to see /ANGRY/ blogs (rants), there’s plenty of other places that actually do this. Dec 02 14:35
schestowitz This is pretty neat.. switch on PC… browse a site or two, write mail.. shut down… like most people do…. http://www.desktoplinux.com/… … no need to wait for AV software to load and half a minute for the PC to shut down. Dec 02 14:53
Eruaran Would that be an instant-on OS that requires a Windows installer ? Dec 02 14:58
Eruaran I wanna see them running without the need for that kind of crap before I start shouting huzzah. Dec 02 15:02
schestowitz Some people  (like one @hotmail.com) try to downplay the leak. Hard evidence is sometimes needed. I don’t claim it’s news. The evidence is the news. Dec 02 15:02
schestowitz Eruaran: I think they sell it this way Dec 02 15:02
schestowitz I still get comments about that instant-on installer idiocy. Dec 02 15:03
schestowitz OT “LynuxWorks began in 1988 as Lynx Real-Time Systems creating the LynxOS real-time operating system (RTOS), which has been used particularly in industrial, networking, military and aerospace applications.” < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LynuxWorks > So it may have little to do with Linux, despite BlueCat. Dec 02 15:03
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PeterKraus goddamn xorg Dec 02 15:26
PeterKraus anyway, I managed to replace the fuse wire without getting killed Dec 02 15:26
PeterKraus yay!!! Dec 02 15:26
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schestowitz Is this why you go on and off? Dec 02 15:26
PeterKraus no, i went off a second ago because my keyboard was not working Dec 02 15:27
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schestowitz Oh, I see. Dec 02 15:27
schestowitz Morphing. Dec 02 15:28
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PetoKraus yeah, finally, after three days of dark ages, back to light. Dec 02 15:30
PetoKraus :) Dec 02 15:31
schestowitz CNN does nothing but ‘high-level’ drama in the tech section… http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/12/01/hiv.te… Dec 02 15:45
PetoKraus written by a woman Dec 02 15:48
PetoKraus :P Dec 02 15:48
PetoKraus you are not helping it, roy Dec 02 15:48
PetoKraus i think you’re a chauvinist. Dec 02 15:48
PetoKraus ;) Dec 02 15:48
schestowitz I didn’t notice Dec 02 15:48
schestowitz You’re the one looking at author names. Dec 02 15:48
schestowitz I actually skippped another CNN fluff piece. Dec 02 15:48
PetoKraus it’s subconscious :P Dec 02 15:48
schestowitz On that one I did notice a female name… it was about how robots help people. Dec 02 15:49
PetoKraus on the other hand i think it’s good Dec 02 15:49
PetoKraus you can say the article is written in that way because it’s written by a woman. And they tend to be more sensitive and feeling-based Dec 02 15:49
schestowitz The CNN/MSBBC could also do fluffy articles explaining Freedom Dec 02 15:49
schestowitz It’s very simply. Dec 02 15:49
PetoKraus if it was written by a man, you’d call him an idiot straightaway Dec 02 15:50
schestowitz But the media has filters… it rids itself from thing it does not want to be said. Dec 02 15:50
schestowitz I saw a video interview about it this morning. Dec 02 15:50
schestowitz They prerecord people whom they fear might streer off topic on national radio. Dec 02 15:50
schestowitz Press in the west is marketing, not news. Dec 02 15:50
PetoKraus and btw Dec 02 15:51
schestowitz Even if the journo is honest, higher up you have editors. Dec 02 15:51
PetoKraus this article you mentioned was in health section Dec 02 15:51
PetoKraus not in tech Dec 02 15:51
schestowitz The editors have their biases, which typically involve money (sponsorships and business), so they select what to include and who to hire Dec 02 15:51
schestowitz PetoKraus: it showed up in the Tech feed Dec 02 15:52
schestowitz Tech/Science. There’s overlap Dec 02 15:52
schestowitz What we can do to help the cause of reporting is write about it and telling people. Dec 02 15:52
schestowitz It’s a known issue, but WHO WOULD REPORT IT? See, it’s a circular thing. You can’t have the press report about is own deficiencies. Dec 02 15:53
schestowitz It’s like asking Bush to sentence himself to prison. Dec 02 15:53
schestowitz Why Ubuntu Now Beats Vista < http://www.crn.com/software/212201252 > Dec 02 15:54
schestowitz Probably from Jason Brooks. Dec 02 15:54
PetoKraus “There’s still no big-league open-source alternative to things like Microsoft Access, for example.” Dec 02 15:56
PetoKraus how about ummm Dec 02 15:56
PetoKraus mysql? Dec 02 15:56
schestowitz Obama unlikely to bring torture charges against interrogators < http://www.greenchange.org/article.ph… > Dec 02 15:56
schestowitz Hehe. Dec 02 15:56
schestowitz Well, does that say this? Dec 02 15:56
schestowitz And if no free ones exist, there’s Oracle. Dec 02 15:56
schestowitz Which is almost matched in terms of performance by postgres (BSD licence) Dec 02 15:57
schestowitz I don’t understand your grips with mysql from last night. I never handled very large DBs in mysql (just tens of megabytes in size), but I can see it scaling well in Wikipedia, Digg, even SECOND LIFE. Dec 02 15:58
schestowitz *gripe, not grips (typo) Dec 02 15:58
schestowitz http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-dec.html… “I visited change.org and supported the proposal for a new investigation of the 9/11 attacks and who was responsible for them, and I posted a note urging others to support it too. The next day I received a message saying that change.org had deleted this proposal, saying that it did not propose a policy change.” Dec 02 15:59
PetoKraus “OpenSUSE should be evaluated on technical merit, not some twisted ideological crusade based on distorted and contrived facts.” Dec 02 16:06
PetoKraus wait a second Dec 02 16:07
PetoKraus i can evaluate according to any criterion I want to Dec 02 16:07
PetoKraus or… did i miss something? Dec 02 16:07
schestowitz Where from? (the quote) Dec 02 16:09
PetoKraus http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2008/11/open… Dec 02 16:10
PetoKraus this needs more coke Dec 02 16:10
schestowitz Oh! Dec 02 16:14
schestowitz haha. Dec 02 16:14
schestowitz This guy is anti-BN Dec 02 16:14
schestowitz He used to link to us… he’s also anti-Groklaw for all I can tell. Dec 02 16:14
schestowitz I hope he will rejoin the battle for Freedom Dec 02 16:15
schestowitz He used to be close to OpenSUSE some years ago (many blog posts, IIRC)…. the issue is Novell though, not OpenSUSE. It’s esp. Novell’s ally. Dec 02 16:15
PetoKraus i just don’t like statements like that Dec 02 16:16
PetoKraus “you should to it this way” says who? Dec 02 16:17
schestowitz I can’t understand this.. Dec 02 16:20
schestowitz LXer is always a tough crowd < http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/28161/ > and LinuxToday is totally the opposite. It’s like two different world’s of GNU/Linux users. Dec 02 16:21
schestowitz They deliberately seem to be escaping what’s stated more explicitly: the evidence is news, not the claims. Dec 02 16:22
schestowitz EU defends negotiations over the ACTA anti-piracy treaty < http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/119762 > Dec 02 17:26
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schestowitz *LOL* http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&amp… Dec 02 18:21
schestowitz Just left a comment there. “Don’t mind it, Bergy. He’s also making foes with Groklaw and Boycott Novell. He’s direct.” Dec 02 18:22
schestowitz See if you can find news CSI/Stuart Cohen connections to Microsoft… :-D Dec 02 18:23
twitter Whenever someone tells me that software should be evaluated on “technical merits alone” I tell them that the details don’t matter if the software won’t do what you want. Dec 02 18:34
twitter Freedom always matters. Dec 02 18:34
twitter A nice video capture card, for example, is worthless if it won’t let you watch and record the shows you are interested in.  Lack of freedom negates all hardware advantages. Dec 02 18:36
twitter My ten year old all in wonder card has a BT848 chipset that works great with free software.  If I want to record, “American Gladiator,” I can. Dec 02 18:39
schestowitz Beebe should know that (about FOSS) Dec 02 18:39
twitter So why does Beebe get dumbed down by details? Dec 02 18:40
schestowitz http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9950082-7.html Dec 02 18:40
schestowitz It’s ‘just’ a flag Dec 02 18:40
schestowitz Several years ago people like Gilmore warned about it. Dec 02 18:40
schestowitz The MAFIAA threatened to sue Apple and Microsoft and then become friends in the fight against their clients and basic rights Dec 02 18:41
twitter the flag works in hardware, where your software can’t fix it. Dec 02 18:41
schestowitz “DRM is nearly always the result of a conspiracy of companies to restrict the technology available to the public. Such conspiracy should be a crime, and the executives responsible for it should be sentenced to prison.” — Richard Stallman Dec 02 18:41
schestowitz Today: http://www.heise.de/english/news… “Previously, observers had levelled sharp criticism at the ACTA process. Above all, the Commission faced criticism of its practice of closed door-negotiations without involving representatives of civil society and without releasing any information about the plan.” Dec 02 18:41
schestowitz What do they mean by “previously”? Currently! Nothing has changed. This is white-collar crime that pricey and the EC is parroting MAFIAA propaganda. Dec 02 18:42
schestowitz “Currently, according to the Commission, Australia, Canada, South Korea, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand Singapore, and Switzerland participate in the negotiations, along with the talks’ initiators the US, Japan, and the EU.” Dec 02 18:42
schestowitz “The jobs! The economy! Let’s suppress the farme^H^H^Hsumers to increase power of the ‘responsible producers’” Dec 02 18:43
schestowitz More new evidence of police state today: Dec 02 18:43
schestowitz http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2008/12/01 : EFF to Fight Against Telecom Immunity in Tuesday Hearing Dec 02 18:43
schestowitz Publish and Be Damned? : http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/200… Dec 02 18:43
schestowitz “Clearly, this law will have a chilling effect not just on people wanting to leak information that is embarrassing to the government – since it becomes even harder to resist exaggerated responses of the kind we have seen recently – but on any kind of journalism or blogging about civil liberties.” Dec 02 18:43
twitter OK, I wasted my time looking at Beebe’s superficial review of Kubuntu, Ubuntu, OpenSuse and Fedora.  His taste in themes, UI and minor difficulties with non free video drivers hardly qualify as “technical merit.” Who is Beebe and why did I bother? Dec 02 18:50
twitter :) Who, me grumpy? Dec 02 18:55
schestowitz Beebe is not the bad guy Dec 02 18:56
schestowitz But he’s bluntly criticising others. He deserves to expect the same. Dec 02 18:57
schestowitz Sun MySQL drops support for SCO OpenServer < http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/200… > Dec 02 18:58
schestowitz The Microsoft moles try to buy love from FOSS companies…. this one had a background story from Walli (Microsoft turncoat for all I can tell)… and now the Galli mole does the PR move… http://port25.technet.com/archive/… Dec 02 19:02
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Peter_Hoeg Good evening! Dec 02 19:08
Peter_Hoeg I see that Ballmer was here and killed everyone. Dec 02 19:09
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trmanco http://fsfeurope.org/projects/os/ps Dec 02 19:21
schestowitz Yes, got it. Dec 02 19:21
trmanco ok Dec 02 19:21
schestowitz I’ll be back in 2 hours Dec 02 19:22
trmanco ok Dec 02 19:22
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tacone schestowitz: does Microsoft offers the media codecs for Linux on x86 and Linux x86-64 platforms ? Dec 02 19:27
trmanco tacone, he is out Dec 02 19:28
trmanco wait 2 hours and you will receive a response from him Dec 02 19:28
tacone nice. Dec 02 19:28
tacone i’ll blog it myself :) Dec 02 19:29
trmanco ok Dec 02 19:43
trmanco but he will be back in no time, you’l see :P Dec 02 19:43
tacone yeah yeah :) Dec 02 19:47
tacone http://www.stefanoforenza.com/has-torva… Dec 02 19:48
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twitter M$ Media Codecs.  A better question would be, “Who needs them?” Dec 02 19:59
tacone novell Dec 02 19:59
tacone for moonlight. Dec 02 19:59
twitter There are plenty of free codecs.  Who needs binaries? Dec 02 19:59
tacone those are illegal in some nations, i guess. Dec 02 20:00
twitter DRM should be against the law. Dec 02 20:00
tacone dependencies: win32binarycodecs -> moonlight -> silverlight diffusion -> adobe flash take over. Dec 02 20:01
twitter Plan meets reality, fail. Dec 02 20:02
tacone since I am not the author of the plan, thumbs up for fail from me. Dec 02 20:02
twitter I don’t see Silverlight doing any better than WMV did. Dec 02 20:03
tacone i don’t know silverlight. nor i am interested in it in any way. Dec 02 20:05
twitter I can’t imagine anyone who’s interested in yet another non free video thingy, and yet another download or PC forklift “upgrade” Dec 02 20:06
tacone business is often unrelated to customer interests Dec 02 20:08
twitter Business is tired of M$ Monkey business too.  They have about as good a chance of replacing Flash as they do PDF.  PDF, because of it’s cross platform reliability, is making good inroads on WORD.DOC Dec 02 20:08
tacone what you say applies to some business, not every business Dec 02 20:10
tacone and by the way, there are some racket forms of business that are very difficult to avoid. Dec 02 20:11
tacone see for example the dell website recommending Vista even on Ubuntu computers. Dec 02 20:11
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kevin8675309 flash is less evil than wma/silverlight, because flash is not tied to an operating system vendor Dec 02 20:46
kevin8675309 it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that one shouldn’t put control of multimedia in the hands of those that control their operating system :) Dec 02 20:47
twitter Dell recommending Vista, Roy just did a write up on that.  I’ve extracted what I though was important here, http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=v… Dec 02 21:04
kevin8675309 they can recommend vista all they want. i won’t be buying it Dec 02 21:15
MinceR they can recommend vista all they want. i won’t be buying dell. Dec 02 21:16
MinceR ;) Dec 02 21:16
trmanco shit Dec 02 21:16
trmanco I just replied to a troll Dec 02 21:17
trmanco :| Dec 02 21:17
trmanco better put him in my kill file Dec 02 21:17
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schestowitz tacone: codecs for NovellBLight? Dec 02 22:08
schestowitz Oh, I see twitter answered it. Dec 02 22:09
schestowitz trmanco: the trolls were noisy recently, just bin them. Maybe they feel the heat. Microsoft is not doing well (stock down, layoffs, etc) Dec 02 22:11
kevin8675309 someone got a link to that story that microsoft is now 89% of pcs? Dec 02 22:12
schestowitz It’s not a story Dec 02 22:12
schestowitz It’s not correct Dec 02 22:12
PetoKraus !story Dec 02 22:12
schestowitz It’s some thing based on referrals. Dec 02 22:12
trmanco schestowitz, what do you mean “bin” them? Dec 02 22:12
schestowitz Some company that draws pies and charts. Dec 02 22:12
schestowitz trmanco: don’t spend time reading them. Set up filters. It makes it more fun and discourages them from participating. Dec 02 22:13
schestowitz I should really stop replying to BN trolls too, but sometimes they libel people. Dec 02 22:13
trmanco ok Dec 02 22:13
schestowitz http://www.stefanoforenza.com… – WTF?? Dec 02 22:15
schestowitz http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2008/03/do… Dec 02 22:15
kevin8675309 i laugh when i sometimes search for information about linux on google and the sponsered ad is “mojave experiment” Dec 02 22:16
kevin8675309 “only be available to manufacturers for integration into their products” no thanks Dec 02 22:20
tacone schestowitz: ? Dec 02 22:21
tacone echo $WTF; Dec 02 22:22
kevin8675309 that just shows that the only reason they would allow windows media to run on embedded devices is to again lock people to windows Dec 02 22:22
kevin8675309 http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2122018/micro…     they won’t release a version for rival DESKTOP systems. only embedded equipment Dec 02 22:23
schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives… Dec 02 22:24
tacone kevin8675309: that one article is from 2003 Dec 02 22:24
schestowitz tacone: that winning about Microsoft draping itself in the GNU Dec 02 22:25
schestowitz EEE Dec 02 22:25
kevin8675309 i had never seen it before Dec 02 22:25
schestowitz Not easy, easy, easy. Embrace… Dec 02 22:25
tacone gnu is not contemplated. Dec 02 22:25
tacone and of course the “win” is only about the torvald sentence Dec 02 22:25
tacone brb Dec 02 22:25
kevin8675309 i figured something like that must be going on though because i have a handheld device that runs linux and supports audible Dec 02 22:25
schestowitz Well.. he said many things. Dec 02 22:25
schestowitz World domination in 2000 Dec 02 22:26
schestowitz I think he referred to the desktop Dec 02 22:26
schestowitz He’s far better than Theo de Raadt anyway Dec 02 22:26
tacone schestowitz: i thought you could have been interested about the ms binaries for linux Dec 02 22:26
kevin8675309 i don’t know what kind of drm infection uses (wma or fairplay) Dec 02 22:26
kevin8675309 audible uses* Dec 02 22:26
tacone not really about my post. Dec 02 22:26
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schestowitz Hehe. Dom Joly humour: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n… Dec 02 22:28
schestowitz tacone: it depends which binaies. Dec 02 22:28
tacone schestowitz: i have no clue. that’s from a de Icaza’s post on planet gnome. Dec 02 22:29
tacone he doesn’t give any download link afai can see Dec 02 22:29
schestowitz Ex-AOL CEO May Have A Mind To Buy Yahoo < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/12/02… > Dec 02 22:30
schestowitz de Icaza in planet GNOME? Dec 02 22:30
schestowitz Waugh had this discussion before. Dec 02 22:30
schestowitz When he tried to dissociate the Microsoftism from GNOME Dec 02 22:30
tacone icaza is on planet gnome  from a long time. Dec 02 22:31
schestowitz http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozc… Dec 02 22:31
schestowitz “While the GNOME Foundation media spokesman Jeff Waugh claimed recently that Miguel de Icaza has no official role in the GNOME project anymore, it is common to see long posts from De Icaza on the Planet GNOME website.” http://www.itwire.com/content/view/15864/1148/ Dec 02 22:32
tacone money Dec 02 22:33
schestowitz no, mono Dec 02 22:34
tacone mon(ey)o Dec 02 22:34
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/up… Dec 02 22:34
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/upload… Dec 02 22:35
tacone ok ok Dec 02 22:35
trmanco lol Dec 02 22:35
tacone copyright’s yours Dec 02 22:35
tacone copyleft Dec 02 22:35
tacone whatever. Dec 02 22:35
schestowitz Na… Dec 02 22:36
trmanco they are somewhat gpled Dec 02 22:36
schestowitz Trademarks maybe. Dec 02 22:36
schestowitz Slush funds for Microsoft to buy market share for .NET (Novell gets money from Microsoft, then pays it as wages) Dec 02 22:37
schestowitz Which in essence means that many Novell engineers get their money funneled from Redmond. Dec 02 22:37
schestowitz MySpace ruling could lead to jail for lying online daters < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13739… > Dec 02 22:45
schestowitz Virus hits nearly 75% of systems on Afghanistan military base < http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?… > Dec 02 22:50
schestowitz Some UK hospital PCs are still down due to viruses.. many days later. Outrageous. Dec 02 22:50
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schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php… “Subject: ban phones, ban cameras, ban everything except Windows” Dec 02 23:15
schestowitz Microsoft boosters trying to elevate Microsoft guy in the Linux world? http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft… Dec 02 23:26
schestowitz “I worked at Microsoft a very long time. I do not believe that Microsoft will disappear in the next decade. But I do believe that to survive, Microsoft will have to think much more intelligently about open source software. Given the leaps forward that Linux distributions have made in usability, the value proposition for Linux as a desktop OS becomes more compelling all the time.” Dec 02 23:27
schestowitz OSB: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS638… “Brooks really likes the distribution on the desktop — no surprise, since he’s used Ubuntu himself for many years. “ Dec 02 23:46
schestowitz Dr. Dobbs does some Mono boosting :-| http://www.ddj.com/windows/212201484 (.NET Development on Linux) Dec 02 23:51
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