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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 11th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 6:12 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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twitter Looks like some kind of troll. Dec 11 00:12
schestowitz Where? Lxer? No. Dec 11 00:12
twitter With four years of Gentoo and Windows using experience, he should know that changes to DOS partitions don’t always propagate without a boot. Dec 11 00:13
twitter There are other things that are strange, still reading and thinking. Dec 11 00:13
twitter he did not have to reboot really. Dec 11 00:14
schestowitz Leave a comment to tell him that. Dec 11 00:15
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twitter it’s one of those things you don’t do often, so I’m not sure enough to bother – that’s a troll warning sign. Dec 11 00:16
schestowitz But Hans is not a troll. Dec 11 00:17
schestowitz He’s a lobbyist for FOSS Dec 11 00:17
twitter Is this the same Hans we talked about a month or two ago with another guy from the Netherlands? Dec 11 00:21
twitter still reading and thinking about this one, can’t make up my mind. Dec 11 00:22
schestowitz Which one? Dec 11 00:23
schestowitz There’s another Lxer guy called Hans. he defended me. Dec 11 00:23
twitter ” Debian: you have to know its quirks to work with it on a day to day basis. If you do, I’m sure it provides an equal or better working environment than Gentoo and XP do. But just like with XP and Gentoo, you need some time to become familiar with it.”  OK, he’s nuts. Dec 11 00:26
schestowitz He LOVES Gentoo. Nothing new. Dec 11 00:27
twitter It’s true that everything has it’s quirks but some binary package install is easier than compiling things from source and nothing is more difficult than Windows. Dec 11 00:27
neighborlee twitter, lol Dec 11 00:27
neighborlee if we’re talking sheer ability to  work with your system , gentoo wins hands down, but grandma aint goin nowhere naer it :) Dec 11 00:28
twitter bbl, it’s time for dinner. Dec 11 00:28
neighborlee have fun Dec 11 00:28
neighborlee bout same here..that and xmas lights o_0 Dec 11 00:28
schestowitz neighborlee: not true Dec 11 00:29
schestowitz Preconfigures Gentoo is OK Dec 11 00:29
schestowitz Zombu runs Gentoo… it’s marketed as a laptop for ‘grandma’ Dec 11 00:30
neighborlee oh really ;) Dec 11 00:32
neighborlee preconfigures gentoo ??? Dec 11 00:32
neighborlee and who is zombu Dec 11 00:32
neighborlee dain I feel like I just got off a train from russia or something ;) Dec 11 00:33
neighborlee anyway goiing downstairs for a bit..bbbbbbbbl ;) Dec 11 00:34
schestowitz *LOL* Dec 11 00:35
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PetoKraus hehe Dec 11 01:20
PetoKraus beranger :D Dec 11 01:20
schestowitz What did he say? Dec 11 01:20
PetoKraus he “quit” Dec 11 01:21
PetoKraus http://beranger.org/index.php?page=dia… Dec 11 01:21
*schestowitz looks Dec 11 01:23
schestowitz He’s just playing a game Dec 11 01:23
schestowitz He did the BSD loveaffair before. Dec 11 01:23
schestowitz It’s funny what he does for attention (he ‘closed shop’ for month, then came back angrier) Dec 11 01:24
twitter yuck, yuck, I just defined Oxite.  http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/10/… Dec 11 01:24
schestowitz “You’ll come back, just as you did after the BSD experiment.” Dec 11 01:25
schestowitz It’s sounds like “exert” Dec 11 01:26
schestowitz Or ox shite Dec 11 01:26
PetoKraus it doesn’t matter Dec 11 01:26
PetoKraus the fact is, he’s pretty much right most of the time Dec 11 01:26
PetoKraus Poor state of Xorg and DE’s (or toolkits) being the prime example Dec 11 01:27
twitter what’s wrong with Xorg again? Dec 11 01:28
schestowitz Some people play with it hardcvore style Dec 11 01:28
schestowitz Then they complain it breaks. Dec 11 01:28
schestowitz That’s Bergy Dec 11 01:28
schestowitz Always trying to break things.. Dec 11 01:28
schestowitz Only this way can he brag complexity and guru sk1llz Dec 11 01:28
PetoKraus twitter: what distro do you use? Dec 11 01:28
twitter Debian Dec 11 01:28
PetoKraus in arch, we’ve got vanilla packages Dec 11 01:28
PetoKraus Xorg-server 1.5 with it’s hotplugging just broke craploads of things Dec 11 01:29
neighborlee yeah true..mandriva gnome edition ( im using kde version now and it didnt have th e problem go figure) on my system anyway doesn’t boot into desktop..it fails and it does offfer you chance to use xorg but its a really weird experience..Qa isn’t what it should be atm I dont think. Dec 11 01:29
neighborlee he’s baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack Dec 11 01:29
neighborlee o_0 Dec 11 01:29
twitter I have not seen the breakage. Dec 11 01:29
PetoKraus who’s BAAAACK? Dec 11 01:29
neighborlee loo Dec 11 01:29
neighborlee l Dec 11 01:29
PetoKraus twitter: are you using 1.5? Dec 11 01:29
neighborlee moi ;) Dec 11 01:29
PetoKraus cause debian, afaik, has 1.4 only… Dec 11 01:29
twitter That would explain why I have not seen problems.  Debian is nice like that. Dec 11 01:30
PetoKraus experimental has Xorg 7.4 (xserver 1.5) Dec 11 01:31
twitter xorg_7.3+18_amd64.deb Dec 11 01:32
PetoKraus that’s testing Dec 11 01:33
PetoKraus there’s stable (etch), testing (lenny), unstable (sid) and experimental Dec 11 01:33
twitter yeah and it looks like it will be a while before I see the problems you do, but then those problems will probably be fixed :-D Dec 11 01:33
neighborlee when I tried debian I went with testing, as I think its the best balance Dec 11 01:34
PetoKraus yeah, debian testing is good :) Dec 11 01:34
neighborlee :) Dec 11 01:34
twitter It’s a matter of timing.  Some people run testing all the time.  I’m chicken and leave my systems alone for a year or so after testing goes stable. Dec 11 01:35
PetoKraus yeah Dec 11 01:35
twitter I like to get used to things, so that I know what’s missing.  Then I might move a system or two to the new testing. Dec 11 01:36
neighborlee yeah there is that Dec 11 01:38
twitter Ha ha, I just visited one of these scam sites, http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?si… Dec 11 01:39
twitter I’m glad the FTC is pulling the plug on some of these vermin.  If only they would do the same to M$, which does exactly the same thing on a larger scale. Dec 11 01:40
twitter “You need to upgrade Winblows to protect your data from crashes, malware and viruses” Dec 11 01:40
neighborlee :)) Dec 11 01:41
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yuhong What if the patent part of the MS-Novell were to die or revised? Dec 11 01:43
yuhong I mean the deal, and I am not asking whether it is likely or not. Dec 11 01:44
yuhong Would Boycott Novell still exist? Dec 11 01:44
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twitter cool stuff about ODF today, thanks for the links and stories Dec 11 01:51
schestowitz twitter: glad people found it useful Dec 11 01:53
schestowitz I posted this for wider reach Dec 11 01:53
neighborlee what did I miss o_0, that subject I find amazing..goes to checccccck Dec 11 01:54
twitter Nothing too amazing, it’s just nice to read good news from time to time. Dec 11 01:54
neighborlee yup Dec 11 01:55
twitter The Wintel and general press are full of FUD and bullshit.  The world is not like that. Dec 11 01:55
schestowitz Wintewl press= self-fulfilling prophecy mode. If you say “Linux not ready for the desktop” many times, it becomes true in people’s mind. Dec 11 01:59
neighborlee thats great news about germany!! Dec 11 01:59
schestowitz The press is propaganda. I hope you watched that video/lecture I posted here ysterday (about propaganda mostly) Dec 11 01:59
schestowitz I’m off to bed now anyway Dec 11 01:59
neighborlee okie ccccya tomorrow dude Dec 11 01:59
schestowitz neighborlee: Germany has been moving to OOo for quite some time Dec 11 01:59
neighborlee ah Dec 11 02:00
schestowitz OOo is now downloaded 2,000,000 times PER WEEL Dec 11 02:00
schestowitz This doesn’t include preinstalls (Linux) and distribution in clusters or via CDs Dec 11 02:00
neighborlee yeah Dec 11 02:00
twitter good night Dec 11 02:01
schestowitz http://www.osnews.com/story/20633/Teacher_T… < Teacher Throws Fit; Linux is NOT Free and Holds Children Back > Dec 11 02:02
neighborlee yup I saw that Dec 11 02:03
neighborlee out from under a rock comes THE TEACHER o_0 Dec 11 02:03
neighborlee run fast as you can..to the nearest fallout shelter!! Dec 11 02:03
neighborlee :) Dec 11 02:03
neighborlee ODF TOOLKIT UNION ANNOUNCED < 404 NOT FOUND guys Dec 11 02:11
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Omar871 Hi all Dec 11 04:35
Omar871 schestowitz: I’m feeling very sorry for a friend of mine. He just became an Mac user. :) Dec 11 04:36
Omar871 a* Mac user. Dec 11 04:36
twitter those can be liberated too. Dec 11 05:16
twitter Power PC macs get good battery life too. Dec 11 05:17
Omar871 Yes, they can. Dec 11 05:26
Omar871 Except that he’s using a Mac OS X. :) Dec 11 05:26
Omar871 But can we guarantee that Mac users are not spied upon by Apple, just like in Vista? Dec 11 05:27
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Omar871 Hi all Dec 11 09:01
schestowitz Hey Dec 11 09:03
Omar871 So, after reading your latest post about Microsoft. is sounds as if my cousin’s point of view isn’t one of a kind, it seems as though all the companies who work with, or use MS products ad services share the same.. lets say ideology, or.. belief.. Dec 11 09:06
schestowitz Which post? Dec 11 09:09
Omar871 The one about Microsoft embracing Open Source. Dec 11 09:11
Omar871 It seems like the vast majority of proprietary companies are against the idea of sharing, in general. Dec 11 09:14
schestowitz They are brought up this way Dec 11 09:19
schestowitz It’s a mode of education. Be selfish, make money by withholding information. It keeps people “helpless and divided,” to quote RMS. Dec 11 09:20
Omar871 Exactly. Dec 11 09:20
schestowitz I saw a lecture the other day Dec 11 09:20
schestowitz This related to the workers’ movement too Dec 11 09:21
schestowitz In order for government to prevent dissent and pro-social movements of the working class (farmers, etc.) they need to find mechanisms of educating them in a certain way and keep them fragmented. Dec 11 09:21
MinceR r4wr Dec 11 09:33
schestowitz Linux grows in China… http://www.itnewsonline.com/showprns… Dec 11 09:59
MinceR http://bellini.blog.hu/2008/12/10/log… Dec 11 10:22
schestowitz *LOL* Dec 11 10:23
schestowitz (should get Chinese subtitles soon) Dec 11 10:24
PetoKraus moin Dec 11 10:39
schestowitz “These bailouts are an awful idea — the worst of K St. capitalism (== kapitalism) inviting an insanely bad future for the industries affected. If there’s one thing worse than Detroit managed by the managers who have been driving the American auto industry into the ground for the past three decades, it is Detroit managed by politicians.” http://lessig.org/blog/2008/… Dec 11 10:44
schestowitz Bailout=lotting of the public by criminals in suits. Dec 11 10:44
schestowitz *looting Dec 11 10:44
schestowitz Lessig also got cracked.  “My site was hacked by evil gambling spammers. I removed the code Google pointed to, and informed Google. I’m still invisible.” < http://lessig.org/blog/2008/12/dr… > Dec 11 10:45
schestowitz “People speak about this as if not bailing out Detroit means automobile production in America ends. That’s not what failing to bailout Detroit means. Not intervening now would be these automakers would enter bankruptcy. And bankruptcy means the assets of these dinosaurs get reorganized: Someone else buys these companies, at a price the market sets, and runs them profitably, because of the price the market set.” Dec 11 10:47
MinceR was that the “mp3fiesta” thing? Dec 11 10:57
PetoKraus http://fukung.net/v/9352/2m7xd85.jpg Dec 11 11:28
schestowitz I saw it before. Dec 11 11:43
schestowitz I don’t like it because it says “piracy” Dec 11 11:43
schestowitz I think Glyn Moody linked to it 2 months ago Dec 11 11:43
schestowitz From corrupt companies into the FBI: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/10/fb… Dec 11 12:00
schestowitz http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22240/1148/ ( MySQL: does marketing win over technology? ) Better to know the truth than to do a marketing polish. Dec 11 12:22
schestowitz US IT Employment Falls, Hiring May Be Stalled for Months < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155289/.h… >; Heads Begin to Roll at Yahoo < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155266/.h… > Dec 11 12:29
schestowitz WOOHOO!!! Dec 11 12:42
schestowitz The Microsofter that poisoned Firefox is out! Dec 11 12:42
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/article/155… — “Window Snyder, the head of security at Mozilla Corp., will resign her position at the end of the year, she said in a blog post Wednesday.” Good riddance. She was praising Microsoft under Mozilla’s name because she used to work at Microsoft. Dec 11 12:43
MinceR funny name Dec 11 12:48
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/… Dec 11 12:54
schestowitz Sometimes there’s no gentle way to say the truth. I’m always reminded by people how dangerous it is to hire former Microsoft employees. They are still part of ‘the movement’ because of the training and the colleagues. Dec 11 12:55
schestowitz WTF? Dec 11 12:56
schestowitz “The story headlined “Former Intel World Ahead executive joins NComputing,” posted Thursday, Dec. 11, has been removed from the wire. The story is under embargo. It will be reposted on the wire when the embargo is lifted.” < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155311/… > Dec 11 12:56
schestowitz So they gave away the news anyway. First they hire a Microsofter for the board and now part of the Intel pack of crooks (with convictions)? What is “Intel World Ahead”. And what will that mean to GNU/Linux, which makes up 40% of the business at NComputing? Dec 11 12:57
schestowitz $41 Billion Deal to Buy Bell Canada Collapses < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155310/.ht… > Convergence = globalisation? Dec 11 12:58
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schestowitz http://www.seobythesea.com/?p=1155 “A patent application for Google Gears has recently been published at the US Patent and Trademark Office.” Dec 11 13:39
schestowitz What a waste of paper .”One embodiment of the present invention provides a system that facilitates using a web-based client-server application offline. During operation, the system receives a function call at an object within a browser that is executing on a client, wherein the function call is generated by the web-based client-server application and is directed to a communication layer on the client.” Dec 11 13:39
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_doug it’s to stop anyone else patenting Google Gears … Dec 11 14:03
_doug and coming after them for intellectual revenue .. :) Dec 11 14:04
schestowitz Defensive, eh? All patents begin as “defensive” Dec 11 14:05
schestowitz Then they get used when the company dies or sold to some shell like IV which proceeds to extortion. Dec 11 14:06
schestowitz Nuclear weapons and cluster bombs… just for “Defense”.. then sold to some country in the east to *ahem* defend itself (by killing)… Dec 11 14:07
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exlt hi – I typically read via rss, but wanted to know if I could pass along layout issues in firefox to someone..  (or is this a known issue..) Dec 11 15:05
exlt heh – or should that go to beccary designer  ;) Dec 11 15:07
exlt eww.. beccary no longer has a site.. Dec 11 15:07
schestowitz Hey Dec 11 15:08
schestowitz What happens there? Dec 11 15:09
schestowitz Eek. Dec 11 15:09
schestowitz Yes, cPanel default. Dec 11 15:09
exlt ah – I’ll grab a screen for you – just a minute (at work..) Dec 11 15:09
schestowitz Thanks. Dec 11 15:09
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/11/linux-de… Dec 11 15:12
exlt this is ff-3.0.4 on linux – looks the same on two different machines – one is a user install of ff, and the other is debian’s iceweasel_3.0.4 – http://www.pbandjelly.org/img/bn.c… Dec 11 15:13
schestowitz Where is the error? Dec 11 15:15
schestowitz I’m sure I’m missing something. Dec 11 15:15
exlt hehe – the light grey shaded body, umm, thing.. looks out of place with the right column “editors” and “recent comments” blocks – the logo header with balmer photo look to be vertically challenged (I am not a web ui human, but a pretty good systems eng..)  I could probably dig around the css in further detail if I get some time.. Dec 11 15:20
exlt it just doesn’t seem to have things lined up well to my eye Dec 11 15:21
schestowitz It’s part of the design. Dec 11 15:22
schestowitz The original one too. Dec 11 15:22
schestowitz I didn’t realise that it looks erroneous. Dec 11 15:23
exlt the overlap of the elements? Dec 11 15:23
schestowitz Yes Dec 11 15:25
schestowitz It’s an image based thing. Dec 11 15:25
exlt the vertical shaded line going through the editors, comments, and the entire right menu is probably the most destracting visually Dec 11 15:25
exlt hmm – the Live News block sits on top of the shaded line – that element is somehow forward of the background image Dec 11 15:26
schestowitz I’ve always liked it. It’s a matter of teaste, I think. Dec 11 15:26
schestowitz I like translucency with intersections. Dec 11 15:27
schestowitz Live news is an iframe Dec 11 15:27
exlt sounds good to me  :)  I thought it was perhaps an older css that might need a little tweaking Dec 11 15:28
exlt btw – I do enjoy the content – thanks for all your time over the years Dec 11 15:28
schestowitz Oh Gosh.. now NComputing hires anti-OLPC bastards.. “Beckford, who was a key executive behind the creation of Intel’s World Ahead program, joins Will Poole, who ran Microsoft’s Unlimited Potential program, and Lindsay Petrillose, formerly of One Laptop Per Child (OLPC), at NComputing. Poole is now NComputing’s co-chairman and Petrillose oversees government affairs for the company, which sells virtualization software and devices tha Dec 11 15:28
schestowitz t allow a dozen or more users to share a single computer.” Dec 11 15:28
schestowitz From http://www.pcworld.com/article/155316… They already have MS poison inside. Dec 11 15:28
schestowitz exlt: thanks for pointing this out Dec 11 15:29
schestowitz Pardon me being distracted Dec 11 15:29
*exlt is constantly distracted.. such is life.. Dec 11 15:29
schestowitz I’d redesign the site, but it would screw layoff of existing posts. Dec 11 15:30
exlt been there – I totally understand Dec 11 15:31
schestowitz The FSF site is down Dec 11 15:36
schestowitz I can get in via Google Cache either. Dec 11 15:37
_doug Antigua threatens to allow piracy .. Dec 11 15:37
_doug http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117982630…. Dec 11 15:37
schestowitz I’ll use the Web Archive. Dec 11 15:38
schestowitz http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.fsf.org… Dec 11 15:38
schestowitz Piracy? Boats? Dec 11 15:39
schestowitz F* journalists Dec 11 15:39
_doug http://www.antiguawto.com/ Dec 11 15:39
schestowitz It has nothing to do with piracy Dec 11 15:39
schestowitz Just an eye-catching headline Dec 11 15:39
schestowitz This is getting strange. FSF is down… can’t get in through cache.. not even Web Archive Dec 11 15:40
schestowitz ─(15:41 $)─> ping fsf.org Dec 11 15:41
schestowitz PING fsf.org ( 56(84) bytes of data. Dec 11 15:41
schestowitz Can you try it over there? Dec 11 15:41
_doug I see the cache page but not fsf.org Dec 11 15:41
schestowitz Ah Dec 11 15:42
schestowitz I get cahce now Dec 11 15:43
_doug SCO license and the GPL .. Dec 11 15:45
_doug “Because the SCO license authorizes run-time use only, customers also comply with the General Public License, under which Linux is distributed.” Dec 11 15:45
_doug http://ir.sco.com/ReleaseDetail.cfm?… Dec 11 15:45
schestowitz Yahoo! waves goodbye to 1,500 workers < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/11/yahoo_… >. Go ahead, study ‘IT’, spend plenty, buy a house on a loan… like everyone else… just WAIT! Dec 11 15:45
_doug That’s the exact opposite of what the GPL says .. Dec 11 15:46
schestowitz :-) Dec 11 15:46
schestowitz Here is what I needed the FSF site for: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/11/mon… Dec 11 15:46
_doug “We have identified numerous .. derivative code in the Linux 2.4 and 2.5 kernels” Dec 11 15:47
_doug show me the code, show me the code … Dec 11 15:47
schestowitz The criminals (in suits) from Intel take it up to politics: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/12/11/intel_f… Dec 11 15:47
schestowitz Snyder not going back to the monopolist: “Her role will be split between other Mozilla staffers pending the recruitment of a successor” < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12… > Dec 11 15:49
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_doug the idea of selling ‘binary form only’ was an abberation that should have been strangled at birth .. Dec 11 15:50
_doug coming soon Binary XML, what could be more open than that :) Dec 11 15:51
_doug howabout parsing it into tokens like they used to do with BASIC .. Dec 11 15:52
_doug company patents ‘patent application writing software’ .. I kid you not .. :] Dec 11 15:55
_doug http://www.patentpro.us/index.ph… Dec 11 15:55
schestowitz What?!?! Dec 11 15:55
schestowitz Oh, it’s old, no? Dec 11 15:55
schestowitz It has PageRank. Dec 11 15:55
_doug “PatentPro helped me determine that a product thought to be unpatentable, was indeed worth the effort for a … patent. This enabled the discussion with corporations which then led to the sale of the license for the invention.” Dec 11 15:55
_doug Did you actually go out nad make something, or just go straight to ‘licensing’ your ‘invention’ ? Dec 11 15:56
schestowitz A method for viewing a site presenting a patent. Dec 11 15:56
schestowitz A method for challenging legitimacy of patents (BM) Dec 11 15:56
_doug patents made PatentPro customers .. Dec 11 15:58
_doug a method of playing a card game ROTGLMAO Dec 11 15:58
_doug http://www.patentpro.us/index.php?menu=16 Dec 11 15:58
MinceR a method of enabling the lung to supply the blood with oxygen. Dec 11 15:59
*MinceR patents breathing and starts his Pay Or Suffocate campaign. Dec 11 15:59
schestowitz MinceR: patent pending, right? Dec 11 16:01
MinceR indeed. Dec 11 16:01
schestowitz THat would make a nice tattoo.. “patent pending”.. Dec 11 16:01
_doug a cigarette smoking ceasation system, comprising a cigarette box with motovational pictures and phrases .. :) Dec 11 16:01
MinceR :) Dec 11 16:01
MinceR or comprising a cigarette box made of steel, welded shut Dec 11 16:01
schestowitz WHo pays the royalties? the smoker? Dec 11 16:02
MinceR the manufacturer of the box Dec 11 16:02
schestowitz Cessation tax. Dec 11 16:02
MinceR or rather, of the product including the box Dec 11 16:02
MinceR taxation tax. Dec 11 16:02
MinceR tax for using the privilege of paying a tax. Dec 11 16:02
schestowitz Keep people locked either wayt Dec 11 16:02
schestowitz Carry on smoking -> pay duty Dec 11 16:02
_doug Writing Instrument, a nip extender actuated by pressing a switch :) Dec 11 16:03
schestowitz Quit smoking -> pay royalties. Dec 11 16:03
MinceR :) Dec 11 16:03
schestowitz The necons would love that Dec 11 16:03
schestowitz *neo Dec 11 16:03
schestowitz They suffocate the Web ATM: http://techdirt.com/articles/20081210/… http://techdirt.com/articles/20081210/… http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/12/internet-censors-mu… http://www.theage.com.au/news/home/technology/labor-… Dec 11 16:03
neighborlee schestowitz: haha , I got reply back from web author form ‘get fedora’ page, where picture at top of page showed ‘tomboy’ as apparantly from dvd install.I said you default to livecd and its not there why show picture of it..they said well ‘mono is free software, blah’,,I showed them a few urls, have yet to hear back, I guess they didn’t know its only free for   SLED o_0 9 <<so much confusion out there >> Dec 11 16:04
schestowitz “Internet is bad… it’s ‘too’ free” Dec 11 16:04
neighborlee lol Dec 11 16:05
schestowitz http://www.poisonware.org/ is available Dec 11 16:05
schestowitz Maybe worth an awareness campaign. Dec 11 16:05
_doug Acoustinc Percussion Circuit: isn’t this known as the audio amplifier .. Dec 11 16:06
_doug Meg Whitman don’t own megwhitman2010.com .. Dec 11 16:08
_doug http://www.out-law.com/page-9650 Dec 11 16:08
_doug Microsoft innovates .NET Chart Controls .. http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/… Dec 11 16:12
_doug MICROSOFT ACQUIRES DUNDAS TECHNOLOGY .. http://www.dundas.com/Company/Me… Dec 11 16:12
neighborlee as per usual ;) Dec 11 16:12
neighborlee good find though , thx man ;0- Dec 11 16:13
_doug the worlds leading software company ?? Dec 11 16:14
neighborlee lol Dec 11 16:14
schestowitz In their own minds Dec 11 16:14
neighborlee leading convicted monopolist maybe ?   ;) Dec 11 16:14
schestowitz Sun tried something similar Dec 11 16:14
schestowitz In Wikipedia “a” versus “the” Dec 11 16:14
schestowitz “the leading” vs “a leading” Dec 11 16:14
_doug schest: do an article on the various incarnations of .NET framework … Dec 11 16:15
_doug ………………………. Dec 11 16:15
_doug Another Yahoo investor seeks Microsoft search deal Dec 11 16:15
_doug http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_11187… Dec 11 16:15
_doug ……………………………………………………… Dec 11 16:15
schestowitz There’s this guy in Mixx that says “Founded in 1975, Microsoft is the worldwide leader in bribery, extortion, blackmail and customer abuse.” http://www.mixx.com/users/cyberphoenix/comments Dec 11 16:15
schestowitz He has been a fan of BN. I don’t know who this is.. there’s another one in FSDaily… they like the site enough to cite it. Dec 11 16:16
neighborlee Microsoft banner: ‘ Welcome redmond the home of M$, where we innovate ways to steal and fud,- turn right here and follow the smiley signs ‘ < feel the love> Dec 11 16:16
schestowitz _doug: I don’t know .NET well enough. Dec 11 16:16
schestowitz Ask Peej Dec 11 16:16
schestowitz _doug: Microsoft plan: crush Yahoo, then pretend you come to the rescue (after crushing them) Dec 11 16:17
MinceR Microsoft is the world’s trailing software company Dec 11 16:17
_doug “We envision a deal whereby Microsoft would acquire all of Yahoo’s search assets and enter into a perpetual agreement for Microsoft to be the search provider for all Yahoo properties,” Dec 11 16:17
schestowitz Is she ill or something BTW? Dec 11 16:17
schestowitz Been slow recently. Dec 11 16:17
_doug 419 patent ? Dec 11 16:17
_doug Ask someone technical to do it ? Dec 11 16:18
schestowitz 419? Dec 11 16:18
schestowitz http://www.snopes.com/crime/fraud/nigeria.asp Dec 11 16:18
_doug no, the search patent .. Dec 11 16:20
_doug the 361 patent .. Dec 11 16:21
schestowitz I know… same scam, different perpetrator Dec 11 16:21
_doug the 419 patent is the one I patented on phishing scams :) Dec 11 16:21
schestowitz Watch the Microsoft scammers in Nigeria attacking MS critics. “No other large companies as far as I know use their employees as attack dogs to silen[ce] dissent. It’s time for Microsoft to stop this nonsense.” < http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/10/12/the… > Dec 11 16:22
_doug a method of fleecing idiots who will click on any old URL or open any attachent .. Dec 11 16:22
schestowitz Open or /execute’ Dec 11 16:22
schestowitz Remember that conventionally you can just ‘run’ some arbitrary stream of bits Dec 11 16:23
schestowitz Why is Basic Instic labeled Novell 2007? http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NTcLHYnXXEQ ( _doug  don’t click) Dec 11 16:28
schestowitz “Novell 2006″ … just uploaded.. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6baRn62jMo … man pissing. WTF? Dec 11 16:30
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seller_liar Iwas thinking… Dec 11 16:33
seller_liar If all GNU Linux apps is made in .net , then Dec 11 16:33
seller_liar M$ can support all Linux apps and in a better way! Dec 11 16:33
seller_liar because .net 3.5 have more features and then Dec 11 16:34
seller_liar people probably prefer running apps in a better framework Dec 11 16:34
seller_liar Is this correct? Dec 11 16:34
seller_liar and then Dec 11 16:34
seller_liar people will using windowz instead GNU Linux Dec 11 16:35
seller_liar Is this the plan? Dec 11 16:35
schestowitz Well. Dec 11 16:38
schestowitz DotNuke comes to mind Dec 11 16:38
seller_liar DotNuke? Dec 11 16:38
schestowitz They’ll try to market .NET stuff and have people like Novell employees use .NET as well. Dec 11 16:38
schestowitz .NET competition that mimics PHP and Perl stuff. Dec 11 16:38
schestowitz That surely is part of the intent. Dec 11 16:39
seller_liar But .net framework of m$ will be always better of mono Dec 11 16:39
seller_liar and then ,people will prefer run apss in .net framework instead mono Dec 11 16:39
seller_liar Linux .net apps = More powerful windows .net apps Dec 11 16:39
schestowitz Yes Dec 11 16:42
schestowitz That’s the issue Dec 11 16:42
schestowitz Microsoft wants Linux to be second class Dec 11 16:42
seller_liar Linux.net apps is better for m$ because gives more interoperabilty Dec 11 16:42
schestowitz That’s also why it will fight Flash Dec 11 16:42
schestowitz Flash has identical functionality in all platforms Dec 11 16:42
schestowitz There is no Silverlight for LInux. Dec 11 16:43
seller_liar and turns linux in slave of m$ , promoting m$ technologies Dec 11 16:43
schestowitz Of course. Dec 11 16:43
seller_liar All linux apps turns m$ apps Dec 11 16:43
schestowitz Some people like de Icaza don’t mind it. Dec 11 16:43
schestowitz Right now I argue with other MS apologists Dec 11 16:43
schestowitz Watch this discussion: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/… Dec 11 16:44
seller_liar And people prefer .net framework Dec 11 16:44
seller_liar oh, god stupid Alex and Jo Dec 11 16:44
schestowitz BN readers: Microsoft wants to ruin Linux; apologists: Microsoft makes Free software Dec 11 16:44
seller_liar M$-pl can protect m$ patents, I think Dec 11 16:46
seller_liar M$ tries to buy people with a candy for working ins OOXML Dec 11 16:47
seller_liar http://www.concursooffice.com.br/ Dec 11 16:49
schestowitz Is this the fork/branch of OOo? Dec 11 16:49
schestowitz I read about Brazil having a popular ODF-based suite, based on OOo in fact Dec 11 16:49
schestowitz Oh wait. Dec 11 16:50
schestowitz It has Microsoft logos Dec 11 16:50
schestowitz Maybe you should comment here and there. I feel like arguing with useful idiots (to Microsoft) here. Dec 11 16:50
seller_liar No Dec 11 16:51
seller_liar This is m$ promoting OOXML at cost of money Dec 11 16:52
seller_liar create OOXML solutions Dec 11 16:52
schestowitz I know. Dec 11 16:52
schestowitz Kickbacks. Dec 11 16:53
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/09/mic… Dec 11 16:53
twitter Good Morning Dec 11 16:53
schestowitz Moin’ Dec 11 16:53
seller_liar “Create a OOXML render and gain a XBOX!!!” Dec 11 16:53
twitter M$FT is back under their $20 rock, http://slashdot.org/~twitter/j… Dec 11 16:53
twitter opps, that’s a new troll bust. Dec 11 16:54
schestowitz Parody: http://notnews.today.com/2008/12/08/microsoft-… (Microsoft to launch Zune clothing range) Dec 11 16:54
twitter the M$ bust is http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT Dec 11 16:54
schestowitz In real news, MS denies Zune phone. Dec 11 16:54
twitter all advertising and buzz for a failed product most people don’t know exists. Dec 11 16:54
schestowitz Dow 8,799.81 +38.39 (0.44%) Dec 11 16:55
schestowitz S&P 500 903.50 +4.26 (0.47%) Dec 11 16:55
schestowitz Nasdaq 1,566.52 +1.04 (0.07%) Dec 11 16:55
schestowitz What’s the explanation then, re: MSFT? Dec 11 16:55
twitter They suck? Dec 11 16:55
schestowitz Did Microsoft investors find out that they invest in imaginary property that Microsoft now sells for $18 or less? Dec 11 16:56
schestowitz Windows is dead as a cash-generating products. Dec 11 16:56
twitter My guess is that they only forged ahead because of their buybacks. Dec 11 16:56
schestowitz It’s not dead as a product yet, but the margins are dying Dec 11 16:56
schestowitz Now they proceed to acddicting more kids Dec 11 16:56
twitter Xandros would have been happy to get $18 per EEEPC. Dec 11 16:56
schestowitz twitter: when did the buybacks end? Dec 11 16:56
schestowitz I think there’s no disclosure Dec 11 16:56
schestowitz When do they enter the debt? Dec 11 16:56
twitter I did not say the buybacks were over, only that they prop M$ up. Dec 11 16:57
schestowitz Eee is f*ed for many things Dec 11 16:57
twitter I know, I documented some of those things in a comment under a recent Xandros story. Dec 11 16:57
schestowitz Earlier today Tony from The Register talked about cutbacks in SSD and maybe Linux. But since ASUS says it was “tied up with Microsoft,” no surprise. Dec 11 16:57
twitter It’s sad.  The original EEEPC was a great thing. Dec 11 16:57
schestowitz The most Neelie can do it launch words at the criminal and then duck because the shills will conquer Europe with big cannons and bribes Dec 11 16:58
schestowitz The original EEE pc was also supposed to cost $199 Dec 11 16:58
schestowitz But Intel wouldn’t like that Dec 11 16:58
schestowitz Bad margins for the other criminals… the hardware bribers. Dec 11 16:59
twitter It also had a camera that did video phone and ogg recording. Dec 11 16:59
schestowitz I bet Intel pulls some strings Dec 11 16:59
twitter they provided the graphics chipset and 3d acceleration. Dec 11 16:59
schestowitz “Wait for Vista 7… make it chubbier… make it expensive.. help our collusions buddy MS (see court case)” Dec 11 16:59
seller_liar Vista 7 sins promotes new processors Dec 11 17:00
twitter well, at least the specs for 3d accel. Dec 11 17:00
seller_liar Makes the user buy new hardware Dec 11 17:00
seller_liar Promotes intel Dec 11 17:00
twitter Vista 7 will be stillborn like Vista. Dec 11 17:00
seller_liar “Buy a new hardware and runs 3d apps without a VGAcard!” Dec 11 17:00
schestowitz “According to Far, Mac OS X runs “a little faster than Vista” with an SSD drive, but Linux is “always faster” than Vista or Mac OS X — to the tune of 1% to 2% — because like Windows 2000, “it never runs anything in the background.”” Dec 11 17:00
schestowitz http://www.computerworld.com/action/article… Dec 11 17:00
twitter Strange, I run background processes all the time.  They are just nice. Dec 11 17:01
schestowitz Shouldn’t Intel be pulled into the calss action? Dec 11 17:02
schestowitz i mean, the company colluded with Microsoft. Dec 11 17:02
twitter Dual processors help a lot but I routinely do video capture and transcription in the background. Dec 11 17:02
schestowitz How does one even punish such beasts? Dec 11 17:02
schestowitz You try to embargo, you get attacked Dec 11 17:02
schestowitz Just look what the US did to Cuba. Dec 11 17:02
MinceR since when does w2000 not run background processes? Dec 11 17:02
twitter Punish by purchasing other chips. Dec 11 17:02
schestowitz The story goes like this. Dec 11 17:02
twitter AMD is nice. Dec 11 17:02
schestowitz In the past (19th century), America wanted to take over Cuba, just like with Florida Dec 11 17:03
schestowitz This wasn’t quite allowed (a trade agreement with Canada later made a bigger bonus for them) Dec 11 17:03
seller_liar I’m buying amd now to maintain control in pc market Dec 11 17:03
seller_liar Buy Intel is destroy the market Dec 11 17:03
schestowitz Then, in the communist era, they used communism as an excuse to attack and ‘punish’ Cuba Dec 11 17:03
seller_liar US fragment RussiaToo Dec 11 17:03
schestowitz Now there’s no Soviety threats and they use new excuses like “to protect democracy” (of which the US has none) Dec 11 17:04
seller_liar Look georgia Dec 11 17:04
schestowitz So they punish the population… NO other country embargoes Cuba. Dec 11 17:04
seller_liar and other ex russia countries Dec 11 17:04
schestowitz I’m not familiar with Georgia’s story Dec 11 17:04
seller_liar Us helps all them Dec 11 17:04
schestowitz But they assassinated and ‘cleaned’ up a lot of south and central America too. Dec 11 17:05
seller_liar The same style of divide and conquer Dec 11 17:05
schestowitz Intolerance at its finest… courtesy of “Land of the Fee” Dec 11 17:05
schestowitz They still trouble Brazi.l Dec 11 17:05
MinceR “Land of the Fee” :D Dec 11 17:05
schestowitz seller_liar: did you see the post about OOXML and Brazil Dec 11 17:05
seller_liar Yes Dec 11 17:05
schestowitz They try to push this with patents. Dec 11 17:06
seller_liar No Dec 11 17:06
schestowitz It’s disguysting. Dec 11 17:06
schestowitz They have enough turncoats to corrupt the system there. Dec 11 17:06
schestowitz And I fear that unless labour union takes it to the streets notthing will change Dec 11 17:06
seller_liar South america and Central Ameria and Mexico are controlled by US Dec 11 17:06
schestowitz Just watch the response to Brazil’s protest against Microsoft’t OOXML corruption Dec 11 17:06
seller_liar There’s  no need to conquer these countries Dec 11 17:07
schestowitz Nothing. The US (and Switzerland) are indifferent. They have their ski trips and s* Dec 11 17:07
twitter turnabout is fair play for the B.E. but I’d rather not see the US dick around like that. Dec 11 17:07
schestowitz Bush made it worse Dec 11 17:07
schestowitz Not that he’s much different from proecessors Dec 11 17:07
twitter Bush made it obvious. Dec 11 17:07
schestowitz He just made it more visible what a beast the government (-corporarations) are., Dec 11 17:07
schestowitz Yes, he made it obvious Dec 11 17:08
twitter His administration did not even play lip service. Dec 11 17:08
schestowitz And now not only has he angered the Arab world Dec 11 17:08
schestowitz He pissed off Europeans and the Chinese threatens to dump the dollar too. Dec 11 17:08
seller_liar The only way to stop this system ,is not give money for stupid companies Dec 11 17:08
schestowitz *threaten Dec 11 17:08
schestowitz (sorry about typos) Dec 11 17:08
seller_liar But american people continues to buy crApple Dec 11 17:08
twitter He had diplomats treat NATO members like a dumped girlfriend. Really, his analogy. Dec 11 17:08
schestowitz Well, Americans.. Dec 11 17:08
schestowitz The US surveys measure this. Dec 11 17:09
schestowitz Linux @ 0.8%, eh? Where? In SF? Dec 11 17:09
schestowitz Argentina has some new Mac OS Hackintosh) ripoff like Psystar now Dec 11 17:09
twitter San Francisco should have a very good GNU/Linux uptake. Dec 11 17:09
schestowitz twitter: US doesn’t care about NATO and UN Dec 11 17:09
schestowitz They s* on them Dec 11 17:09
schestowitz In fact, the autonomy (diplomatic) is just fragmenting the world and the likes of Bush promote this. Dec 11 17:10
schestowitz Can Obama change anything? Dec 11 17:10
schestowitz Doubtful. Dec 11 17:10
twitter Could be, but to do it so out in the open and so tastelessly, that’s a big difference between Bush and others. Dec 11 17:10
schestowitz He’s still controlled by the same motor. It’s just whoever’s in the cockpit… illusion of control Dec 11 17:10
seller_liar If people continues to buy crApple , nothing canchange Dec 11 17:10
schestowitz Yes Dec 11 17:10
schestowitz But awareness plays a role Dec 11 17:10
schestowitz Apple got uglier recently. Dec 11 17:11
schestowitz Threatening bloggers more often than before. Dec 11 17:11
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schestowitz By highlighting these issues hopefully people can be educated or Apple be reformed. Dec 11 17:11
schestowitz Redesign at the Inquirer:  School teacher bans Linux < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/965… > Dec 11 17:15
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seller_liar If people buys crApple ,M$ ,intel , Dec 11 17:17
seller_liar nothing will change Dec 11 17:17
seller_liar because these companies does lobby in a lot of ways Dec 11 17:17
seller_liar and not only in US ,but  in UK and Australia too Dec 11 17:17
seller_liar If people wants a good government , people MUST stop to buy products from these Dec 11 17:18
seller_liar companies Dec 11 17:18
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schestowitz There’s a trap here. People follow advertising. Dec 11 17:21
schestowitz They are educated to respect what’s advertised. It’s easier to keep users under control this way (also with back doors in proprietary operating systems) Dec 11 17:21
schestowitz To topples the cycle of stupidity you need to inform and to expose. That’s why I love what I do in BN, enough to do it voluntarily so much of the time. Dec 11 17:22
seller_liar But ,sometimes is very hard to convince people Dec 11 17:23
seller_liar The better way is to produce a good Linux distro Dec 11 17:24
seller_liar and support channels Dec 11 17:24
schestowitz Convincing people is hard when competing with $billions in brainwash Dec 11 17:25
seller_liar Yes, and in human history , ethics and freedom was not the priority Dec 11 17:26
schestowitz So one route is to advocate, as I so often do (and have done for years) and the other is to expose the corruption and manipulation. People need to be told about technically superior solutions but also to be given compelling reasons to switch. Lots of people treat Linux as “cheap Windows” Dec 11 17:26
schestowitz They are also taught that cheap means bad Dec 11 17:26
schestowitz Microsoft reinforces such logic (“free puppy” analogies and such) Dec 11 17:27
seller_liar Yes ,I remember when I see revolution OS Dec 11 17:27
seller_liar Eric Says : “Free software?! , cheap,worthless “ Dec 11 17:28
schestowitz seller_liar: these are priorities to the vast majority of the people (ethics and freedom) but they are taught (trained) not to understand that. It’s brainwash Dec 11 17:28
schestowitz Using worlds like election, democracy, unity, etc. Dec 11 17:28
schestowitz *words Dec 11 17:28
schestowitz Top Senate Republican opposes $14B auto bailout < http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081211/con… > Dec 11 17:35
schestowitz Tossing billions of public money around like it’s a puzzle game for the aristocrats to play at everyone’s expense. Dec 11 17:36
seller_liar The interesting thing in this economical crisis is governement gives a lot of help for companies Dec 11 17:37
seller_liar and for people does nothing Dec 11 17:37
schestowitz EXACTLY! Dec 11 17:38
seller_liar does nto Dec 11 17:38
seller_liar does not Dec 11 17:38
schestowitz They’ll argue that they save jobs Dec 11 17:38
schestowitz In reality, they save managers and their bonuses Dec 11 17:38
schestowitz Beecause the bailout is not distributed evenly. Dec 11 17:38
seller_liar Companies employes have reserves Dec 11 17:38
schestowitz The capital returns to rich shareholders and such. Dec 11 17:38
schestowitz seller_liar: whose reserves? Dec 11 17:38
seller_liar a lot of patrons can live years without a job Dec 11 17:38
schestowitz The managers hid it in some Swiss bank account Dec 11 17:39
schestowitz Now they can whine about going broke Dec 11 17:39
seller_liar Chief patrons guards a lot of money in case of crisis Dec 11 17:39
schestowitz One side of the mouth: “I’m rich Dec 11 17:39
schestowitz One side of the mouth: “I’m rich. Sheesh” Other side “Poor me, I need money” Dec 11 17:39
seller_liar A lot have False accounts in central america and sweden Dec 11 17:39
schestowitz Sweden?? Dec 11 17:40
seller_liar Yes, Switzerland ,Norway are the haven for white collar people Dec 11 17:40
schestowitz Microsoft sinks -3.35% today. Dec 11 17:40
schestowitz Market overall is up Dec 11 17:40
seller_liar heaven Dec 11 17:40
schestowitz s/People/criminals/ in many cases Dec 11 17:41
seller_liar of course Dec 11 17:41
seller_liar central america too Dec 11 17:41
schestowitz It’s hard to make a conviction about rich peole Dec 11 17:41
schestowitz They wear suits and appear in newspapers, so.. Dec 11 17:41
seller_liar Cayman is a heaven for white collar people Dec 11 17:41
seller_liar dirty money Dec 11 17:41
schestowitz It’s only people in jumpers who lift a loaf of breads that are “Criminals” Dec 11 17:41
seller_liar rich people does not need help Dec 11 17:41
seller_liar rich people continue to live Well Dec 11 17:42
schestowitz How can you reverse this? Dec 11 17:42
schestowitz And how’s your book coming along? :-) Dec 11 17:42
seller_liar heheh, I don t know Dec 11 17:42
schestowitz Lulu.com? Dec 11 17:42
seller_liar I do not know ,maybe someday Dec 11 17:43
seller_liar But actually ,I was thinking in make a java implementation of .net Dec 11 17:43
schestowitz Government crook just busted: Kevin Martin  < http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-sourc… > Dec 11 17:44
seller_liar I have found some good programs Dec 11 17:44
seller_liar Jacil Dec 11 17:44
schestowitz What’s jacil? let me look Dec 11 17:44
seller_liar http://www.cs.rit.edu/~atg2335/project/ Dec 11 17:44
schestowitz http://www.cs.rit.edu/~atg2335/project/ Dec 11 17:44
seller_liar gplv2 Dec 11 17:44
schestowitz Oh, you beat me to it Dec 11 17:44
seller_liar but the project is stooped in 2007 Dec 11 17:45
schestowitz “JaCIL leverages the Mono Cecil library to read CLI assemblies and the ObjectWeb ASM framework to generate Java class files. In order to use the ObjectWeb ASM Java API, JaCIL utilizes the IKVM.NET JVM implementation for the CLI.” Dec 11 17:45
schestowitz Mono Cecil? Dec 11 17:45
seller_liar a library of mono Dec 11 17:45
seller_liar but is better than nothing Dec 11 17:45
schestowitz Here’s the problem with “open source” mindsets: “Leeching, if such a thing exists, is a feature and not a bug. Taking from open source leads inevitably to giving, if just to keep up.”  <http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3180 > Dec 11 17:46
schestowitz IOW, they advocate making non-Free software to subjugate people using other people’s work Dec 11 17:46
schestowitz Dana does not even use Free software. He just writes about it in a Microsoft-ish site Dec 11 17:47
seller_liar dana is analist Dec 11 17:47
seller_liar m$ pays analists Dec 11 17:48
schestowitz Analyst Dec 11 17:49
schestowitz They do, but I doubt it on this case. Dec 11 17:49
seller_liar oh sorry Dec 11 17:49
seller_liar analyst , I got it Dec 11 17:49
seller_liar Why? Dec 11 17:49
schestowitz In fact, he crtitices them too much. He’s trustworthy on the Microsoft thing… Dec 11 17:49
schestowitz *criticises Dec 11 17:50
schestowitz seller_liar: I don’t know. I just can’t think of him selling out _to them_ Dec 11 17:50
schestowitz As for OStatic, well.. Dec 11 17:50
schestowitz Their boss took money from Microsoft to AstroTurf. Dec 11 17:50
schestowitz He recited their slogans in exchange for money. Dec 11 17:50
schestowitz Microsoft knowingly corrupts the blogosphere like this. Dec 11 17:51
schestowitz The Goebbels-ism of the blog era Dec 11 17:51
seller_liar I find another good project to port Java to crApple Iphone and converts Cil to bytecode Dec 11 17:51
seller_liar http://www.xmlvm.org/ov… Dec 11 17:51
seller_liar I do not read such sites Dec 11 17:51
PetoKraus hmm, roy, do you know about FSF suing cisco? Dec 11 17:52
schestowitz I remember it. Dec 11 17:52
schestowitz They setttled, right? Dec 11 17:52
PetoKraus no Dec 11 17:53
PetoKraus http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20… Dec 11 17:53
schestowitz Oh, I see… Dec 11 17:54
schestowitz Brett Smith Dec 11 17:54
schestowitz No Java, Flash for IPhone This Christmas < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155340/no_fl… > Dec 11 17:58
seller_liar XMLVM helps Dec 11 18:00
seller_liar www.xmlvm.org Dec 11 18:00
seller_liar crApple defautl platform uses Objective-C Dec 11 18:01
seller_liar xmlvm can convert java bytcode to Objective-c Dec 11 18:02
MinceR buying a real phone or pda/phone helps Dec 11 18:04
MinceR :> Dec 11 18:04
seller_liar http://www.xmlvm.org/iphone/ Dec 11 18:04
seller_liar of course Dec 11 18:04
schestowitz MinceR: openmoko freerunner? Dec 11 18:08
seller_liar How much openmoko costs? Dec 11 18:08
schestowitz The PR gestapo is attacking OpenMoko. Dec 11 18:08
schestowitz Now it’s under $400, IIRC Dec 11 18:08
seller_liar and Iphone? Dec 11 18:09
schestowitz Over $1000 Dec 11 18:09
schestowitz It comes with contracts and s* Dec 11 18:09
seller_liar Why people are Soooooo stupid?!!!! Dec 11 18:10
seller_liar and helps a stupid obssessive company Dec 11 18:11
seller_liar which try to control hardware and does a lot of lobby Dec 11 18:11
schestowitz It’s media/govt-imposed Dec 11 18:12
schestowitz Justice is not a priority Dec 11 18:12
seller_liar For me ,it’s only media Dec 11 18:12
seller_liar media controls the govt Dec 11 18:12
schestowitz If you ‘dissent’ then they pass new laws, point the finger at you and call you a “criminal” Dec 11 18:12
schestowitz Criminalizing opposition… like they try with the World Wide Web at the moment. Dec 11 18:13
seller_liar what’s happened with Itunes DB case? Dec 11 18:13
schestowitz Government has a hand in education curricula and media Dec 11 18:13
seller_liar Apple wins? Dec 11 18:13
schestowitz There is also the role of industry that uses these as ‘training centres’ Dec 11 18:13
schestowitz And lest we forget the corporations run the government too Dec 11 18:13
schestowitz ItuneDB… yeah, I wonder about that. Dec 11 18:14
schestowitz Apple has bullied projects like this for hyears Dec 11 18:14
seller_liar but the project will continue, or not Dec 11 18:14
schestowitz My cousin just mail me this: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200… Dec 11 18:14
schestowitz He says, “If Illinois and the city of Chicago are far from the worst of our 50 states when it comes to corruption, can you imagine the depths of malfeasance in government in our nation?” Dec 11 18:15
_doug FSF Files Suit Against Cisco For GPL Violations Dec 11 18:15
_doug http://news.slashdot.org/artic… Dec 11 18:15
schestowitz _doug: PetoKraus beat you to it. Dec 11 18:15
schestowitz “Of course, like all statistics, there is a huge flaw in what USA today is showing us. It only gives the percentage of convictions for fraud per 100,000 residents. How about all the fraud that was either ignored, unseen or undetected?” Dec 11 18:15
schestowitz No regulation = second great depression Dec 11 18:15
PetoKraus just posting a blog about copyrights right now Dec 11 18:16
schestowitz Maybe the US can build another bubble quickly and buy another 8 years of money orgy before its blows up even more badly. Dec 11 18:16
schestowitz Yahoo Spits Out Poison Pill < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/20… > Dec 11 18:20
schestowitz bbl Dec 11 18:22
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PetoKraus was there already case when someone sued someone for breaching GPL? Dec 11 18:44
twitter ”  if a potential change in control transaction is pending, Yahoo!’s Board of Directors . . . may terminate or amend the severance plans in connection with a negotiated change in control transaction.” – what does that mean? Dec 11 18:44
twitter Yahoo submission http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?o… Dec 11 18:56
MinceR schestowitz: i’m not sure yet, i have a wm5 pda/phone Dec 11 19:01
twitter More bad news, another half a million US jobs seem to have evaporated, “If this pace is sustained, then it would suggest that November’s net job loss of 533,000 was not an outlier but perhaps an indicator of more severe deterioration to come,” wrote Andrew Gledhill, an economist for Moody’s Economy.com. “ Dec 11 19:02
twitter “What is troubling is that labor market conditions have usually not deteriorated by this much by this early in a downturn.” Dec 11 19:03
twitter http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/… Dec 11 19:03
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PetoKraus right… http://pk.gjhak.sk/?uid=128 Dec 11 19:16
MinceR schestowitz: i’m thinking of getting the developer version of g1 and putting some mobile linux distro on it Dec 11 19:36
MinceR but i’d have to see how it worked out for others first Dec 11 19:37
PetoKraus DIF! Dec 11 19:37
PetoKraus :/ Dec 11 19:37
MinceR or perhaps an alternative will appear Dec 11 19:37
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_doug Jobless techies will turn to crime .. Dec 11 20:53
_doug http://www.silicon.com/financialservi… Dec 11 20:53
_doug “A recent report by security vendor McAfee also found there is a risk that cyber crime may further slow the speed of UK economic recovery” Dec 11 20:54
_doug solution: make computers that aren’t vulnerable to phishing attacks .. Dec 11 20:56
_doug OEMs desktop Linux .. Dec 11 20:57
_doug http://blogs.computerworld.com/with… Dec 11 20:57
_doug Cowell contract say you can’t criticise him .. Dec 11 21:03
_doug http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/… Dec 11 21:03
schestowitz I’m back.  PetoKraus there were many prior cases. Dec 11 21:10
schestowitz The GPL was upheld (won) in Germany and no-one was brave enough to challenge it in the US, just settlements. Dec 11 21:10
schestowitz twitter: I spoke about the economy with some friends an hours ago. They hardly know anything. Brainwash works. Dec 11 21:11
schestowitz Re: ” November’s net job loss of 533,000″ They say it’ll peak in 7 months (or 6) Dec 11 21:12
schestowitz It’s important the people start talking about it to friends who are left in the dark until the boss calls them “redundant” Dec 11 21:12
schestowitz PetoKraus: thanks for the link, I’ll use it. Dec 11 21:13
schestowitz “Jobless claims jump to 573,000, a 26-year high” How many in the UK, Germany, Canada…? Dec 11 21:15
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schestowitz US: us first, the world later. Dec 11 21:15
schestowitz Obama makes pick for energy chief, sources say < http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/10/obama… >. Will there be emission control? Dec 11 21:26
schestowitz Here is boycottnovell in Chinese: http://os.51cto.com/art/200811/97948.htm Dec 11 21:29
schestowitz Followup: Asterisk Bug is Old, Fix is Also Old: http://blogs.digium.com/2008/12/06/sip-se… Dec 11 21:35
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schestowitz World Bank’s forest and carbon fund fails forests and peoples < http://www.euractiv.com/en/environment/world-bank… > Dec 11 21:53
schestowitz “The World Bank has been in a hurry to get its Forest Carbon Partnership Facility (FCPF) up and running, meaning that the process to date has been “rushed” and “corners have been cut,” according to a new report by scientists from the Forests and the European Union Resource Network (FERN) and the Forest Peoples Programme.” Dec 11 21:53
schestowitz A Different View of Viewdle [...] “Monetizing video assets”? “Multiple patents”? Great. But I’m sure the British government will be interested in all that facial-recognition technology in order to build its own people-in-video reference database, and thus screw down UK society even more….”  http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/… Dec 11 21:56
schestowitz “About 19% of Earth’s coral reefs, according to the International Union for Conservation of Nature, have been destroyed and the other 81% could follow the same path if humans do not actively (and successfully) reduce carbon dioxide emissions.” < http://www.itwire.com/conten… > Dec 11 22:02
schestowitz Groklaw (members-only): “I haven’t had a real vacation in five years, because Groklaw is a bit like a newborn.” < http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?stor… > Dec 11 22:08
schestowitz She lost motivation  :-( :-( Dec 11 22:09
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schestowitz I just got a compliment: “I submit articles from websites that tell people the truth.” http://www.mixx.com/photos/3061495/is_microsoft_crapwar… Dec 11 22:29
Tallken hiz Dec 11 22:30
schestowitz Huzzah Dec 11 22:30
twitter GL is not like a newborn, the trolls are. Dec 11 22:31
schestowitz Here’s the thing Dec 11 22:32
Tallken schestowitz: cool pic ^^ Dec 11 22:32
schestowitz I don’t think I wrote this here (you can readt the post if you’re  a member) Dec 11 22:32
schestowitz I think I said this in BN comments, but it ‘s the hecklers which she said tried to ruin Groklaw who led to some frustration Dec 11 22:33
schestowitz In GL nobody feeds them Dec 11 22:33
Tallken i honestly believe someone should buy NYTIMES front cover, quote that guy, and tell MS that monopoly resembles more like totalitarian regime than capitalist competition for cheaper and better things Dec 11 22:33
Tallken ^^ Dec 11 22:33
Tallken er, by that guy I mean Dec 11 22:33
schestowitz Tallken: I was looking for one that’s free. COuldn’t find one, so I played with the Credit thing Dec 11 22:33
schestowitz I did a search for Python gazelle. Dec 11 22:33
Tallken “I’m an American; I believe in the American way, I worry if the government encourages open source” Dec 11 22:33
schestowitz First thing was this yucky thing: http://www.ead.ae/TacSoft/images/news/0… (labeled “Python Eats Pregnant Sheep”) Dec 11 22:34
twitter It takes almost as much time to boot the trolls as it does to feed them, they cause stress no matter what you do about them. Dec 11 22:35
schestowitz I’m not sure what to do with it Dec 11 22:36
schestowitz We never censored before, so I don’t want to ever start. it’s better to ignore. The label thing was a suggestion from a regular reader. Dec 11 22:36
schestowitz I’ve been in daily touch with Groklaw for almost 3 years and I know how much of a PITA anti-Groklaw protesters could be. They try to get her emotional/distracted, IMHO. That worked on me at the time (I got used to this, so it makes almost no impact). Dec 11 22:38
twitter There is always an impact.  Ever talked to an abused woman about the day she “snapped”? Dec 11 22:40
Tallken schestowitz: have fun http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/242520/teacher-thr… :p Dec 11 22:44
schestowitz twitter: you mean life women who shoot the husband? Dec 11 22:44
schestowitz Tallken: This one is well written. Dec 11 22:45
Tallken :) Dec 11 22:56
schestowitz whurley pretends to be a FOSS guy whilst sucking up to Apple and feeding them with the DRM traps…http://opensource.sys-con.com/node/… … at least he tries… sounds like he hasn’t bought one yet Dec 11 23:02
schestowitz Omar871: http://www.arabianbusiness.com/540681-jo… Dec 11 23:06
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schestowitz Cory on selling people their rights back to them: http://craphound.com/msftdrm.txt Dec 11 23:25
Tallken cya later :) Dec 11 23:31
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schestowitz Hey there. Dec 11 23:39
schestowitz I was just writing a reply. Dec 11 23:39
NZheretic schestowitz : Any questions before you reply? Dec 11 23:40
schestowitz I’ve just posted a reply. Dec 11 23:44
NZheretic schestowitz : Gaining ( or just restoring ) Civil rights has always been a step by step process. Dec 11 23:44
schestowitz It’s interesting what’s happenign in GL Dec 11 23:44
MinceR gn Dec 11 23:44
schestowitz She barely posts anymore… no more than a post a day. Very dormant in general. It’s garbage-collection time. Dec 11 23:44
NZheretic schestowitz : Pj really need a break for at least a  couple of months. Dec 11 23:45
schestowitz NZheretic: the issue is differnet Dec 11 23:45
schestowitz i didn’t say this in my quick comments (got distracted by another chain of 100 comments < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/1… >), but the issue is trolls. Dec 11 23:45
schestowitz OIN admits it can’t cope with trolls. Dec 11 23:46
schestowitz Jerry Rosenthal said so and Keith’s reply I’ll post shortly. Dec 11 23:46
schestowitz They fight ghosts Dec 11 23:46
schestowitz NZheretic: a couple of months? Dec 11 23:46
schestowitz Figure of speech or do you know something I missed (didn’t read the whole post)? Dec 11 23:47
NZheretic schestowitz: The thing about ghosts is that they don’t work well in the light. It’s time to start putting faces to the names behind the trolls. Dec 11 23:47
schestowitz US teacher detains student for using Linux < http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/223… >. *LOL* Kens’s a superstar! Power to him Dec 11 23:48
schestowitz NZheretic: Rick Frenckel tried. Dec 11 23:48
schestowitz He was unmasked and sued, along with his employer at the time Dec 11 23:48
schestowitz They put a bounty on his head. Dec 11 23:48
schestowitz Actually… wait. Dec 11 23:49
schestowitz Can we pull the content of his now-dead blog? Dec 11 23:49
schestowitz Damn. http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://… Dec 11 23:50
NZheretic schestowitz: Playing the expose game is  not something you can do anonymously. Even PJ herself is limited by her own choice of anonymity. Dec 11 23:50
schestowitz A goldmine of information (trolls catalogue) down through litigation. Now I understand why people download entire controversial sites Dec 11 23:51
schestowitz Maybe I’ll mail him Dec 11 23:51
schestowitz I’ll ping trolltracker@gmail.com Dec 11 23:51
schestowitz If he has backups of his posts, maybe I can salvage them Dec 11 23:52
schestowitz https://www.blogger.com/blogin.g?blogspotU… “This blog is open to invited readers only” Dec 11 23:52
schestowitz So it’s still there, just hiden Dec 11 23:52
schestowitz *hidden Dec 11 23:53
NZheretic Maybe the community ( for want of a better word ) need to create a new online investigative news/journal organization, with part time full time paid staff. That way ( at least in the US ) it will have full first amendment. Dec 11 23:55
NZheretic … protection. Dec 11 23:55
schestowitz I think it works differently. Dec 11 23:56
schestowitz PJ said, based on something I mailed her, that putting adsense in GL would give her that protection. Dec 11 23:56
schestowitz Shane is the one receiving about $50/month from the ads, which is more than hosting costs him. I don’t know if that counts as anything. Neither me nor him write anonymously and we have no disclosures to make other than sentimental attacments… to freedom. Dec 11 23:57
NZheretic The payment ( if large enough to be a living wage ) may eliminate the need for  anonymity. Dec 11 23:57
schestowitz She’s hardly anonymous ahyway Dec 11 23:58
schestowitz Those who want to find her will. Dec 11 23:58
schestowitz She’s routing her mail via Peter now. Dec 11 23:58
schestowitz Blogging anonymously is not the greatest thing anyway. Dec 11 23:59
schestowitz Writing with a clear conscience does give one a certain higher ground. Anonymity means disclosure is a mystery. Dec 11 23:59
schestowitz BTW, paid journalists too are sensitive to lawsuits. Dec 11 23:59
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