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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 23rd, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:30 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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kentma1 Aa1 is excellent. Very popular with mrs. Mark & kids Dec 23 00:50
kentma1 Canadian sister & cousin also want one! Dec 23 00:51
schestowitz Oh, Asus Aspire One. Dec 23 00:53
kentma1 That’s right. First time I’ve touched an rpm0based system in years, I’m learning yum :-) Dec 23 00:54
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schestowitz it’s Fedora. Dec 23 01:03
schestowitz Gosh. I thought you were a Debian guy Dec 23 01:03
kentma I am, but aa1 is linpus, Dec 23 01:04
kentma Which is fc7 or fc8-based Dec 23 01:04
schestowitz You could have fun with other distributions, I think. Dec 23 01:05
schestowitz But the Eee PC seems more hackable with “just add water” distros Dec 23 01:05
kentma Eee is expensive now, though Dec 23 01:08
kentma Aa1 is cheap, and mostly i want it to work which it does Dec 23 01:09
schestowitz This annoys me < http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,2… >. They think that if they kill PROTOCOLS, then sharing will stop?? That’s like invading countries thinking that it will stop terrorism rather than encourage more hatred. Dec 23 01:23
kentma Fighting for peace… Dec 23 01:24
schestowitz Killing for life. Dec 23 01:29
schestowitz Toyota projects first loss in 70 years < http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081222/as_japan_t… > Dec 23 01:43
MinceR gn Dec 23 02:44
schestowitz nn Dec 23 02:46
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Omar87 Hi all. Dec 23 06:12
Omar87 Is it true that there’s an attempt to lock wikipedia down? Dec 23 06:13
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schestowitz Aspyr Media Confirms Layoffs < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155885/aspy… > Dec 23 09:49
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schestowitz Unisys to Cut 1,300 Jobs < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155935/unisys_t… > Dec 23 10:05
schestowitz Stupid Wintel press calls “hacking” a crime (not cracking): http://www.pcworld.com/article/155937/software_… Dec 23 10:08
schestowitz Boycott Novell is now stuck at about 22,000 pageviews a day. This may be the first month when there’s no climb in traffic. In Boycott Novell I’ve written about 5000 posts that provide details of the various illnesses — mostly ethical — inside Microsoft Corporation, but we need more ideas of stuff to cover. Dec 23 10:16
schestowitz Are you aware of similar scandals that are not explored as much as they should?  Their revisionism discourages exploration and due to ‘information rot’ we need to have all that stuff documented. I happen to suspect that Microsoft has a pyramid scheme going as well; they say that “everyone is doing it” and I fear that Madoff’s crimes were just the beginning. Dec 23 10:16
schestowitz Despite the Economic Gloom, Another Home Run for Red Hat < http://ostatic.com/blog/despite-the-eco… > Dec 23 10:23
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/22/redha… “For the first nine months of the fiscal year, Red Hat’s sales came to $486.4m, up 27.5 per cent, and net income was $65.4m, up 14 per cent.” Dec 23 10:29
schestowitz Dell restructuring puts 2,000 Limerick jobs under threat < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/22/dell… > Dec 23 10:32
schestowitz “In September the Wall Street Journal suggested Dell was thinking of closing the plant and moving its manufacturing responsibilities to one in Lodz, Poland which, it is speculated, was being transferred to Foxconn, a Taiwan-based contract manufacturer.” Dec 23 10:32
schestowitz Foxconn, Linux convicts……… so they take over factories around the world. Another Chinese company, Lenovo, has been trying to buy computer companies around the globe. China may be the next superpower. Dec 23 10:33
schestowitz Speaking of Lenovo, here’s something I’ve been looking forward to since 2005: Lenovo preps dual-display Frankenlaptop < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/… > Dec 23 10:35
schestowitz Kucinich on America’s Banking System: ‘Once, They Were Gods’ < http://www.alternet.org/workplace/113127/kuc… > Dec 23 10:37
schestowitz http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-… “The Colombian army under President Horrible acts as an army of occupation for the US.” Dec 23 10:39
schestowitz Good-bye hard drive? Will PC hard-disks die next year? < http://blogs.computerworld.com/good_b… > Dec 23 10:43
schestowitz “A Microsoft spokesman declined to comment [on layoffs].” http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Employee_blo… Dec 23 10:44
schestowitz http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=… Dec 23 10:55
schestowitz Countdown – McCain’s Abramoff Connections and an Opening Act < http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gnqgh-WSNyM > Dec 23 11:01
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schestowitz Internet Company Valuations Now Below Their Lows From Last Bubble Burst < http://techdirt.com/articles/200812… > Dec 23 11:15
schestowitz http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and… Dec 23 11:31
schestowitz There’s this too: http://www.awitness.org/journal/microsoft… Dec 23 11:35
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schestowitz People are endlessly naive wrt tax evasion as ‘philanthropy’… http://blog.generationscult.com/2008/11/0… Dec 23 11:57
schestowitz It is difficult to find much proof other than Parish’s: “Bill Gates, Alan Sugar and other CEO’s run corporate pyramid companies. Good example!” http://www.firstclassmlm.com/2007/12/10/mul… Dec 23 12:01
schestowitz Dman. http://www.frauddiscovery.net/Herbali… Dec 23 12:03
schestowitz Most of the other stuff that comes up if too ‘crackpotty’: http://www.whale.to/vaccine/bill_gates.html Dec 23 12:11
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schestowitz ‘Ausaf Umar Siddiqui, 42, who goes by “Omar” and was Fry’s vice president of merchandising and operations, appeared Monday in federal court, where prosecutors filed a complaint alleging he masterminded a “secret kickback scheme to defraud Fry’s Electronics of millions of dollars.”‘  http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_1129… Dec 23 12:20
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/23… Dec 23 12:27
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MinceR geekings Dec 23 13:15
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schestowitz Threats without the MAFIAA proxy: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7795157.stm Dec 23 14:35
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Obondoo Roy, you compare Microsoft with a pyramid scheme. Dec 23 14:54
Obondoo If the software is 5$ for some why is it more for us. Dec 23 14:54
Obondoo What would be a fair price for Win Vista? Dec 23 14:55
Obondoo http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BMD… Dec 23 14:57
Obondoo 2000 Dec 23 14:57
Obondoo “My first gut reaction would be as long as Microsoft doesn’t start laying off people — and I don’t picture them doing that anytime soon — we’ll be OK,” Dec 23 14:59
Obondoo http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/… Dec 23 14:59
Obondoo Seattle Times Oct 04 2008 Dec 23 15:00
schestowitz Hey Dec 23 15:00
schestowitz Seattle Times is biased Dec 23 15:00
schestowitz They have helped Microsoft’s denialists Dec 23 15:00
schestowitz Obondoo: the price of Windows and practices on a technical level are not related to the financial. Dec 23 15:01
Obondoo ok ok Dec 23 15:03
schestowitz Next month will be interesting, and not just for Microsoft Dec 23 15:05
Obondoo They outsourced their sales to “partners”. Dec 23 15:05
Obondoo What is supposed to happen next month? Dec 23 15:05
schestowitz Outsourced it? Got a link? Dec 23 15:06
schestowitz I know they hire many foreign people and temps so that they can be dropped without announcing layoffs. Dec 23 15:06
Obondoo http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article… Dec 23 15:07
Obondoo like the cloud picture Dec 23 15:07
Obondoo http://www.sdtimes.com/SAM_RAMJI_OPEN_SOURCE_IS_… Dec 23 15:09
Obondoo This is new: Dec 23 15:09
Obondoo Microsoft has begun to realign its legal department, allowing it to work in collaboration with its engineers so that product teams can have more flexibility with open-source software. Dec 23 15:09
schestowitz It’s all about Windoiws Dec 23 15:13
Obondoo http://venturebeat.com/2008/12/… Dec 23 15:13
schestowitz Buy Microsoft stack parts, be safe. Dec 23 15:13
schestowitz The editors should be ashamed of themselves for pushing this agenda, but as court evidence shows, Microsoft has the power to “plant” stories in the media Dec 23 15:13
schestowitz “On that day the bottom “10 percent-ers” (presumably, those performing the worst) could be gone — as many as 5,000 to 10,000 employees. Damn.” Dec 23 15:14
Obondoo Recommendation: let IBM offer support for Win XP and in 2035 IBM would terminate customer support… Dec 23 15:15
Obondoo Microsoft’d better lay off their lobbyists. Dec 23 15:17
Obondoo Corruption is illegal in the United States?! Dec 23 15:18
Obondoo http://www.buzzflash.com/article… Dec 23 15:20
Obondoo Said, as just one example, a spokeswoman for Microsoft: “Our philosophy around political giving is based on helping candidates, primarily incumbent candidates.” But should that incumbent get the electoral ax, then Microsoft is there — post-election — to help the successful challenger. “The fact of the matter is, that candidate won,” she added. Dec 23 15:21
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_doug hi there … Dec 23 15:28
schestowitz Got any news? Dec 23 15:29
_doug Pyramed 101 .. Dec 23 15:29
schestowitz Hehe. India buys a piece of the US.. Dec 23 15:29
_doug schest ? Dec 23 15:29
_doug “Whether Microsoft can implode or not, we do not know for sure yet” Dec 23 15:29
_doug MS can’t implode, as it would take the entire IT industry with it, and the rest of the ‘real’ economy. That’s why the consumers are going to be spending the next three decades paying for the bailout, through higher taxes and prices .. Dec 23 15:29
schestowitz Wipro Buys Citigroup’s Indian Software Arm < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155947/wipro_buys_… > Dec 23 15:30
schestowitz _doug: yes, I know. Dec 23 15:30
schestowitz “Wipro is acquiring Citi Technology Services, an IT services and software development subsidiary in India of Citigroup for about US$127 million in cash.” Dec 23 15:30
_doug but then again, WallStreet is a giantic Pyramid scheme .. :) Dec 23 15:30
schestowitz Bubble economy. Dec 23 15:30
schestowitz _doug: true that too. Dec 23 15:30
schestowitz It was hard to say this some years ago, but people are more receptive to these observations now that even the former NASDAQ chairman is a massive criminal. Dec 23 15:31
_doug I guess I’l have to move ot India, if I want to keep a job in IT .. Dec 23 15:31
schestowitz :-( Dec 23 15:31
schestowitz It’s nice there this rime of the year. Dec 23 15:32
_doug I was talking to a call-center operative, she’s on $100 a month .. Dec 23 15:32
schestowitz Maybe they’ll lobby their government to allow some foreigners to obtain a visa and work temporarily in India. ;-) Dec 23 15:32
schestowitz Don’t put any financial data in MS SQL Server… http://www.pcworld.com/article/1559… Dec 23 15:33
_doug Technical Officer RH35,000 .. Dec 23 15:34
_doug http://www.kellyservices.co.in/web/in/s… Dec 23 15:35
_doug = GB£487.424 Dec 23 15:36
_doug re: SQL injection, it’s always caused by a buffer-overflow in some DLL, a design flaw in the MMU, been there since the original x86 processer, never been fixed .. Dec 23 15:37
schestowitz Are Cells immune to it? Dec 23 15:38
schestowitz I’m sure you could find similar exploits in other designs. Diversity is important. Dec 23 15:38
_doug HelpDesk Operative =  UK£278 Dec 23 15:38
_doug This was solved years ago, in the VAX Dec 23 15:39
_doug What is the point of having a MMU that can’t handle buffer-overflows ? Dec 23 15:39
_doug Relying on the calling app to be bug free is futile. Dec 23 15:39
_doug What about deliberatly designing in a hack ? Dec 23 15:40
_doug The latest MS spin is, it’s all bugs in the applications, not our OS .. Dec 23 15:40
schestowitz Yes, I know. Dec 23 15:41
schestowitz “Al companies are equally evil” Dec 23 15:41
_doug Data Entry clerk =  UK£167.6911 Dec 23 15:41
schestowitz “Al software application are equally buggy” Dec 23 15:41
schestowitz *All Dec 23 15:41
_doug Yea, but the underlying OS should handle the buggy code, fail safe, not give up the whole system .. Dec 23 15:42
schestowitz You can ‘install’ permissions mechanism. Dec 23 15:43
schestowitz Or ‘buy’ security Dec 23 15:44
_doug No, just design a MMU that won’t allow process B to access process A’s memory, regardless .. Dec 23 15:44
_doug “Nullification of Unknown Malicious Code Execution with Buffer Overflows” Dec 23 15:44
_doug http://www.stormingmedia.us/54/5471/… Dec 23 15:44
_doug the root cause is the defective MMU in x86 based systems .. Dec 23 15:45
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_doug Like, if I try and stuff too much data into a 100 byte allocated buffer, nothing should happen, nothing, nada, zilch, it returns safely .. Dec 23 15:47
_doug Or at least prevent DATA being run as CODE, as in marking the buffer READ, WRITE, EXECUTE .. Dec 23 15:48
schestowitz Sanitization? Dec 23 15:48
_doug Do it in the MMU, not in the calling code .. Dec 23 15:48
schestowitz Sometimes it’s a P/L thing. Dec 23 15:48
schestowitz Intel et al just make chips. They do what they do, not provide safety nets Dec 23 15:49
_doug This isn’t high-energy physics, any competent college dept could design a MMU immune to buffer-overflow attacks .. Dec 23 15:50
trmanco cool -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6… Dec 23 15:52
_doug help, there’s a canary in my computer :] Dec 23 15:52
_doug stop trying to change the topic Dec 23 15:52
_doug MMUs and buffer-overflows, and viruses, and phishing, and credit-card fraud, and indentity theft .. Dec 23 15:53
_doug ProPolice is a stack smashing protector developed by IBM and based on StackGuard. Dec 23 15:53
_doug http://www.x.org/wiki/ProPolice Dec 23 15:53
_doug A Comparison of Buffer Overflow Prevention Implementations and Weaknesses .. Dec 23 15:55
_doug http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-usa-04/bh… Dec 23 15:55
_doug Buffer-overflows, around since 1972, and still not fixed .. Dec 23 15:59
_doug http://csrc.nist.gov/publication… Dec 23 15:59
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_doug computer helps shrink films so the images can be sent down the narrow pipes :) Dec 23 16:04
_doug http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/t… Dec 23 16:04
_doug This is a ‘technology’ report ? Dec 23 16:04
schestowitz OK, I’m back. Dec 23 16:04
schestowitz This is the first time COmpiz crashed on me, I think. Dec 23 16:04
_doug “Richard Crosby .. told the BBC that development of the system had taken nearly 15 years” Dec 23 16:05
_doug Dunno, sounds like peering, similar to Akami .. Dec 23 16:05
schestowitz Hold on. Dec 23 16:05
_doug And will it scale ? Dec 23 16:06
_doug Compiz ? Dec 23 16:06
_doug And th ISPs will squeel that it is taking too much bandwidth .. Dec 23 16:06
_doug “This is the evolution of television.” Dec 23 16:07
_doug Ohh, woopy, the Internet, just like television 1987 .. Dec 23 16:07
trmanco black and white Dec 23 16:08
schestowitz Hehe. BeeBeeShe…  Computer grid aids film service Dec 23 16:08
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schestowitz Black and white=less bandwidth Dec 23 16:09
schestowitz At peak time, your NetTV will grow grey-scale to scale Dec 23 16:09
schestowitz In the past, BT spoke about deploying fibre Dec 23 16:09
schestowitz But back then we lived in Bubble Land…. now people are starting to wake up while the gov^H^H^H^Hvision tells people to buy, buy, buy… y’know for Xmas. Dec 23 16:10
_doug iPlayer is good, when it works, goes very sluggish about 7:00pm onwards .. Dec 23 16:10
_doug I do like the convience of watching when I want .. Dec 23 16:11
_doug Acacia patents light valve system .. Dec 23 16:13
_doug http://www.itbusinessnet.com/articl… Dec 23 16:13
_doug Specifically, this Complaint asserts against Defendants arising from their infringment of various claims in U.S PAt. No. 5,550,604, issued on August 27, 1996, and entitled “Compact High Resolution Light Valve Projector”, (the ’604 PAtent”) Dec 23 16:18
_doug http://coby.nixon.googlepages.com/… Dec 23 16:18
schestowitz On iPlayer: http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs… Dec 23 16:19
_doug “A preferred embodiment of the system comprises a three light valve system with an arc lamp” Dec 23 16:20
schestowitz Just got a nice E-mail: “I appreciate your posted reply and your commentary to me. Please keep up your tireless activism in pushing for reform from the U.K.  I became an activist regarding these issues in 1979 while still a graduate student.” Dec 23 16:20
_doug http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1… Dec 23 16:20
_doug “an active matrix light valve comprising a plurality of pixel electrodes” Dec 23 16:21
_doug Isn’t this a combination of color filters, optic-fibers and liguid crystal display ? Dec 23 16:22
schestowitz It’s too like to revoke it. Dec 23 16:23
schestowitz Unless you are wealthy… or SUED. Dec 23 16:23
schestowitz In the latter case, you must be wealthy too… /before/ the suit, not after. :-) Dec 23 16:23
schestowitz Or….. you could pay Acacia some protection money and keep your knee cap warm. Dec 23 16:24
schestowitz Watch this video: http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/ne… What the government says is what industry says, but that’s not news (you can read it in two ways). This is news: News, Propaganda: What’s the Difference? < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8018 > Dec 23 16:26
_doug Sprint sued over WiMAX patent .. Dec 23 16:27
_doug http://www.telecomtiger.com/WiMAX_fullstory…. Dec 23 16:27
schestowitz Is that a soft patent? Dec 23 16:27
schestowitz It seems like a lot of PhD students turn to activism. Dec 23 16:27
schestowitz This guy finished his and told me: “I knew that something was wrong when I was reading articles (falsely) claiming that the U.S. faced a “looming shortage of scientists and engineers” while Ph.D. graduates from my department[...] were having a hard time finding any work opportunity other than poorly-paid “postdocs.”” Dec 23 16:28
_doug I assume, it’s a claim over a combination of standard techniques, the ‘invention’ being a few block diagrams .. Dec 23 16:28
schestowitz Is it innova~1, or extortionate? Dec 23 16:29
schestowitz A lot of people judge one’s work based on # of paper of patents Dec 23 16:29
schestowitz The assumption is that a person’s wisdom can only be measured by output like a piece of paper on a “method for..” Dec 23 16:29
_doug “Specifically, the complaint refers to six patents, many of which use OFDMA technology” Dec 23 16:29
_doug http://static.fiercemarkets.com/public/news… Dec 23 16:30
trmanco Sugar Labs, the nonprofit behind the OLPC software, is joining the GNOME Foundation: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-anno… Dec 23 16:30
schestowitz Where was it filed? Dec 23 16:30
schestowitz Yes, I know about Sugar Dec 23 16:30
schestowitz Mail Groklaw about it……. it’s AWOL ATM. Dec 23 16:30
_doug “U.S. Patent No. 6,904,283, titled “Multi-Carrier Communications With Group-Based Dec 23 16:31
_doug Subcarrier Allocation” Dec 23 16:31
_doug dynamically allocating subcarriers in ‘groups’, oh the innovation .. Dec 23 16:32
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schestowitz Here. Revisionism… :-) http://www.fsdaily.com/Beginner/A_Readers_D… Dec 23 16:47
schestowitz That Linus guy took GNU and Minix, combined them and called it LINUX… :-) Dec 23 16:47
schestowitz “About a week ago we learned that an Ecuadorian man died from injuries incurred in a beating in New York City in what authorities say may have been a hate crime. CNN reported that:” < http://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/200… > Dec 23 16:49
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Omar87 HI all Dec 23 17:05
Omar87 Hi* Dec 23 17:05
schestowitz Hey, what’s up? Dec 23 17:06
Omar87 There’s something I just don’t understand. Dec 23 17:08
Omar87 Some of my friends that it’s okay to use .NET for an open source application. Dec 23 17:08
trmanco hi Dec 23 17:09
Omar87 I just don’t understand how can that be possible.. -_- Dec 23 17:09
trmanco .NET Dec 23 17:09
Omar87 trmanco: Hey, how ya doin’? Dec 23 17:09
trmanco it is worse than Mon0 Dec 23 17:09
Omar87 lol, of course it is. :) Dec 23 17:09
trmanco Omar87, fine and you? Dec 23 17:09
Omar87 I’m great, thanks. :-) Dec 23 17:10
schestowitz I’m writing about Mono at the moment. Dec 23 17:10
trmanco looks like I’m a nym on COLA now, according to a troll Dec 23 17:10
schestowitz I found a nice photo Dec 23 17:10
Omar87 I just don’t understand, how can .NET be used to build an open source application.. Dec 23 17:11
trmanco it can’t Dec 23 17:12
trmanco it won’t be totally open source Dec 23 17:12
Omar87 It’s like using a bomb to plant a tree.. Dec 23 17:13
trmanco LOL, nice comparison there Dec 23 17:13
Omar87 It’s not only about being open source, it’s also about who owns it. Dec 23 17:13
Omar87 :) Dec 23 17:14
schestowitz Yes Dec 23 17:16
schestowitz Hold on, I’ll post and give you the URL. Dec 23 17:16
Omar87 My friends don’t see any contradiction in it.. Dec 23 17:16
trmanco that is because they don’t know the hole story Dec 23 17:17
trmanco or that they don’t realize that .net is controlled by monopolysoft Dec 23 17:18
Omar87 Using proprietary tools to build Open Source thing looks exactly the same to me as using water to light a fire. Can that ever happen? I don’t think so. Dec 23 17:19
schestowitz trmanco: there is lots of Mono boosting out there Dec 23 17:19
Omar87 Exactly. Dec 23 17:19
schestowitz Advertising that is. Dec 23 17:19
schestowitz Those that speak against it are attacked. Dec 23 17:19
Omar87 The programing language is like a weapon. But when this weapon is controlled by someone else, then you are not 100% free to use it any way you like. Dec 23 17:20
trmanco schestowitz, yesterday I went against the idea of one liking Mono… on a portuguese linux irc channel Dec 23 17:20
trmanco on shouted out and told me to fuck off… Dec 23 17:20
trmanco one* Dec 23 17:20
Omar87 There are actually lots of open source apps. that are written in C#, but are they really completely free? That’s the question. Dec 23 17:21
trmanco and also told me that I didn’t know what I was talking about, shame on how mono adverts influence a lot of people, sometimes “good” people just go “bad” Dec 23 17:21
Omar87 trmanco: That’s intolerance. Dec 23 17:22
trmanco Dec 23 17:22
Omar87 trmanco: And that’s Fascism. :) Dec 23 17:23
trmanco I don’t care Dec 23 17:23
trmanco I hope he some day will have to pay to use all those mono tools Dec 23 17:23
trmanco or buy microsuse Dec 23 17:23
schestowitz Omar87: 4u: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/23/seco… Dec 23 17:23
Omar87 schestowitz: Thanks. Dec 23 17:23
schestowitz Yes, fascism. Dec 23 17:24
schestowitz I hear that assessment a lot. Microsoft is very fascistic too. Dec 23 17:24
trmanco “On November 2, 2006, Microsoft and Novell announced a joint agreement whereby Microsoft agreed to not sue Novell’s customers for patent infringement.[9] According to Mono project leader Miguel de Icaza,[10] this agreement extends to Mono but only for Novell developers and customers. It was criticized by some members of the free software community because it violates the principles of giving equal rights to all users of a particular program (se Dec 23 17:28
trmanco e Novell and their Patent Agreement with Microsoft).” Dec 23 17:28
schestowitz Just published: Gates’ charitable vehicle does a lot more than just philanthropy, reveal obligatory disclosures < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/23/gates-foundatio… > Dec 23 17:34
schestowitz bbl Dec 23 17:39
trmanco ok Dec 23 17:39
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trmanco Microsoft Warns of Serious MS-SQL 2000 & 2005 Vulnerability: http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/12/microsoft-warn… Dec 23 19:49
_doug solution: declare the death penalty for writing buffer-overflows .. Dec 23 19:50
_doug “it doesn’t really effect home users or the general consumer, it’s a more specific server side vulnerability” Dec 23 19:50
trmanco LOL Dec 23 19:50
_doug That’s a relief, my P04n collection is safe .. Dec 23 19:50
trmanco the death penalty Dec 23 19:50
_doug yea, that would enthuse the programmers to check their code, else make a MMU that don’t get buffer-overflows .. Dec 23 19:51
_doug Or else move off the mono-culture, where we have the same CPU, MMU and API calls everywhere .. Dec 23 19:52
trmanco that would leave the security guys unemployed Dec 23 19:52
trmanco you know, the people who discover vulnerabilities Dec 23 19:53
_doug well, that would be the AV pushers .. Dec 23 19:53
trmanco 1 part of it yeah Dec 23 19:54
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tessier_ http://www.computerworld.com/act… Dec 23 20:16
tessier_ Windows 7: The Linux Killer Dec 23 20:16
trmanco can you name a Windows version that was lighter than its antecedent? Dec 23 20:20
trmanco :-P Dec 23 20:20
tessier_ WinCE Dec 23 20:24
trmanco well Dec 23 20:25
trmanco that is an embed sistema right? Dec 23 20:25
*trmanco checks Dec 23 20:25
tessier_ Depends. Does the EEE run an embedded system? Dec 23 20:25
tessier_ netbooks etc Dec 23 20:25
trmanco it is not Dec 23 20:25
trmanco crap Dec 23 20:26
trmanco is is :| Dec 23 20:26
trmanco CE is an embed system… EEE, yes/no it really depends Dec 23 20:27
_doug Latest innovation .. Dec 23 20:30
_doug http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/12/multiinjecto… Dec 23 20:30
_doug I wonder what this does ? Dec 23 20:41
_doug http://www [dot] steoo [dot] com/admin/win.exe Dec 23 20:41
trmanco feed that to a windows user Dec 23 20:43
schestowitz Hey, I’m back. Dec 23 20:44
trmanco Alan Cox is moving on from Red Hat: http://lwn.net/Articles/312631/ Dec 23 20:44
trmanco cool Dec 23 20:44
schestowitz _doug: DB/SQL injections are common, not just a Microsoft thing Dec 23 20:45
schestowitz It’s down to programming sometimes. Dec 23 20:45
schestowitz The warning from Microsoft suggests Microsoft incompetence in the DB ITSELF. Dec 23 20:45
schestowitz WHich means that sanitizing input would save you from MS idiocy. Dec 23 20:46
_doug it’s down to a borked MMU unit that cant count up in integers .. Dec 23 20:46
_doug I’m off .. Dec 23 20:46
schestowitz tessier: that Gralla guy is a Windows guy and a troll. I’d rather we didn’t feed it. :-) Dec 23 20:47
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schestowitz The more you feed it, the more of it he’ll do. He’s like a broken radio with Vapourware vs Linux (it’s the same stuff over and over again) Dec 23 20:47
schestowitz tessier: Ubuntu comes to ARM-based UMPCs…. no Windows. Dec 23 20:48
schestowitz Oh no! Why is Alan Cox moving to the criminal organisation??? Dec 23 20:49
schestowitz They must have paid him handsomely. Dec 23 20:49
MinceR huh? Dec 23 20:51
Tallken http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_lin… Dec 23 20:53
Tallken “Alan Cox: Moving on from Red Hat” to Intel Dec 23 20:53
Tallken MinceR: (post text ping) Dec 23 20:53
MinceR well, intel isn’t that bad Dec 23 20:54
MinceR afaik their track record is partly evil, partly good Dec 23 20:54
schestowitz They bribe. Dec 23 20:55
Tallken MinceR: they’re like Microsoft, aggressive and do illegal stuff Dec 23 20:55
schestowitz They destroy a charity for profit Dec 23 20:55
Tallken but they do have interest in Linux Dec 23 20:55
schestowitz And that’s just the edge of the history Dec 23 20:55
trmanco Microsoft’s Search Market Share Continues To Slide: http://www.crn.com/software/212… Dec 23 20:55
schestowitz There’s lots more in the past like pressure tactics, threats and so on. Dec 23 20:55
MinceR well, i don’t know their history so well Dec 23 20:56
schestowitz trmanco: thanks, noted. Dec 23 20:56
trmanco you’re welcome Dec 23 20:56
schestowitz trmanco: maybe wasting billions was not ‘enough’ as an investment Dec 23 20:56
schestowitz MinceR: I could do a post about it Dec 23 20:56
schestowitz I discused this in Groklaw last year Dec 23 20:56
trmanco this reminds me of that mac ad Dec 23 20:56
schestowitz Some people told me about old things I didn’t know about and are probably too old for the press that’s on the Internet Dec 23 20:57
trmanco advertising, advertising, advertising … fix *Live* Dec 23 20:57
schestowitz Actually, MinceR, there was something in IRC Dec 23 20:57
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schestowitz See http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/15/irc… Dec 23 20:59
schestowitz (and onwards) Dec 23 20:59
trmanco Windows XP Extensions Reflect Vista’s Woe: http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operati… Dec 23 21:01
trmanco I like the first comment: “I’ve been using Vista since August, and have had very few problems. The bigger problem is Microsoft’s greed. Why can’t they just create an operating system, and update it as needed, instead of making people buy a whole new operating system year after year, and getting nothing but frustrated every time they try to say the next one is so much better… Its really getting annoying. Stop the Greed ! Make a system, stick to Dec 23 21:01
trmanco it, and improve it with free upgrades and updates…. Don’t rob us blind with minimal changes, and call it a new operating system… That’s a ripoff !” Dec 23 21:01
schestowitz http://toprobblob.blogspot.com/2008/06/bi… Dec 23 21:04
trmanco lol Dec 23 21:05
trmanco news features,I would say random features Dec 23 21:05
trmanco “We “bash” Microsoft because they make inferior, frustrating, derivative products which oftentimes feature maddening disregard for usability. We “bash” Microsoft because instead of pushing productivity forward, they usually hold it back – often in order to line their own pockets. We “bash” Microsoft because they routinely copy — poorly — and then try to pass it off as “innovation.” Microsoft made a mint on a type of tech ignorance that, thank Dec 23 21:06
trmanco fully is evaporating rapidly today. By the way, monopolies are not illegal – until they are abused. Ask Microsoft; they know about that one. We have no problem if a superior company making superior products achieves a “monopoly” and, rather than abusing their market position to stay in the lead, instead pushes themselves to continue to innovate and improve.” Dec 23 21:06
trmanco http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/commen… Dec 23 21:06
schestowitz Monopoly!=monopolist Dec 23 21:07
schestowitz Not all monopolies are also criminals, by definitions Dec 23 21:07
trmanco that giant quote is on that last link I’ve posted Dec 23 21:08
trmanco Red Hat Net Up 20%, TIBCO Net Up 17%: http://www.123jump.com/earnings-story/Red-… Dec 23 21:11
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schestowitz Tim Anderson is still peddling Monopolyware in The Reg: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008… Dec 23 21:25
schestowitz Apple ejects iBoobs < http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… > Dec 23 21:28
schestowitz Sun… http://blog.hydrasystemsllc.com/2008/12/22/ Dec 23 21:36
trmanco that iBoob thing is funny Dec 23 21:42
trmanco what would be its price if it had been approved? $999 USD Dec 23 21:43
schestowitz Multitouch iboob Dec 23 21:44
schestowitz It responds to gestures? Like … never mind… Dec 23 21:44
trmanco lol Dec 23 21:45
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone “…supports automatic zooming by pinching together or spreading apart fingertips on the screen, or by double-tapping..” Dec 23 21:47
schestowitz They talk about RMS, FSF… and OPEN SOURCE *Sigh* http://asterisk.tmcnet.com/topics/open-source/ar… Dec 23 21:49
trmanco founded by MIT? Dec 23 21:49
trmanco never mind Dec 23 21:50
schestowitz Where?? Dec 23 21:52
trmanco on this last link you posted Dec 23 21:54
trmanco “Recently, the The Free Software Foundation (FSF), founded by MIT (News – Alert) alum Richard Stallman,” Dec 23 21:54
schestowitz Shee ignoreance: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content… Dec 23 21:57
schestowitz *sheer ignorance Dec 23 21:57
schestowitz OH!! Haha. ” MIT………………………. (News – Alert) …………..alumni” Dec 23 21:58
schestowitz Sun loves OOXML …………………………………. …………………………………………………………….. ……………. like a fly in the soup Dec 23 21:59
Tallken schestowitz: in http://asterisk.tmcnet.com/topics/ope… , have you noticed the ‘GLP’ license? xD Dec 23 21:59
trmanco oh Dec 23 21:59
trmanco GLP Dec 23 21:59
*trmanco looks Dec 23 21:59
trmanco that just flew by, I didn’t notice Dec 23 22:00
schestowitz GDP Dec 23 22:04
schestowitz Gulp licence Dec 23 22:04
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/15597… I just ignore it until Sun realise that snubbing GNU/Linux is making their JavaFX a weirdo-pen source. Dec 23 22:10
trmanco http://archives.penguinista.org/testimonial/ Dec 23 22:10
schestowitz Very slow news day for IDG: http://www.pcworld.com/article/155969/twitter_plan… Dec 23 22:15
schestowitz Wow. Someone twitted. Dec 23 22:15
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/article/155949/credit_cru… Credit Crunch Takes Toll on Data Center Spending [and petrol... and hosing.. and banking... and travel.. and................] Dec 23 22:16
tessier_ I’m tired of hearing about “open source” java. Dec 23 22:18
tessier_ Where can I download some code, do a ./configure; make install; and then run Limewire on what results? I can’t. It’s all bullshit. Dec 23 22:18
schestowitz Why would they withhold it? Dec 23 22:22
tessier_ Why does anyone withold their source? Dec 23 22:26
tessier_ Either they think they can make more money keeping it secret or it isn’t all their source so they don’t have permission to release it. Dec 23 22:26
schestowitz To help those guys in Canada with their lawsuit against the govt., I’ve just  sent them this information I accumulated about Canada’s funnel of Bill Gates money. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/23… Dec 23 22:26
schestowitz tessier: mail Simon Phipps <Simon.Phipps@Sun.COM> about it and ask him. It might push them. Dec 23 22:27
tessier_ I don’t really care. I don’t even like Java. Dec 23 22:28
trmanco We Love Open Source Software. No, You Can’t Have Our Code: http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/527 Dec 23 22:28
MinceR sounds like sun Dec 23 22:29
tessier_ I wish we could somehow emphasize the free as in freedom bit without sounding like such zealots. :( Dec 23 22:30
schestowitz “Zealot”?? Don’t let the stigma get to you. Dec 23 22:32
schestowitz Were feminists zealots too? Dec 23 22:33
schestowitz http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/527 << sounds more like Microsoft Dec 23 22:33
schestowitz http://sourceforge.net/community/cca08-sponsors Dec 23 22:35
schestowitz I see they removed the “program in open source using Visual Basic advert/gimmick” Dec 23 22:35
schestowitz benJIman uses Visual Basic and takes pride in it. Well, he also uses Ballnux, so there ya go.. Dec 23 22:36
*benJIman doesn’t use visual basic. Dec 23 22:36
schestowitz Studio, sorry. Freudian slip Dec 23 22:38
schestowitz tessier: some distros ought to come with Java (the real thing) preinstalled Dec 23 22:44
schestowitz tessier: Schneier on 60 Minutes < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv… > Dec 23 22:47
schestowitz http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/18/6… Dec 23 22:48
schestowitz Hilarious. Dec 23 22:50
schestowitz “America is under attack, they are out to get us,” say the people of the security theatre people. Dec 23 22:55
schestowitz http://medianation.blogspot.com/2008/12/gateho… Dec 23 23:00
schestowitz One thing I find interesting is that GateHouse accuses the Times Co. of trademark infringement. The argument is that readers of Boston.com’s “Your Town” pages might not realize that links to GateHouse papers such as the Newton Tab and the Needham Times actually have nothing to do with Boston.com.” Dec 23 23:00
schestowitz Transparency On The Bailout? Banks: No Thanks! < http://techdirt.com/articles/20081223/0006313202.shtml > Dec 23 23:02
Tallken ok, enlighten me, why the benJIman reference all of a sudden? Dec 23 23:03
Tallken (hi benJIman :p) Dec 23 23:03
MinceR he’s our resident microvell fanboy Dec 23 23:04
Tallken ya I know Dec 23 23:04
schestowitz http://lxer.com/module/newswire/… “Yeah Sander, I did a search on Google and everyone is linking to our post of it. Very cool.” Dec 23 23:04
Tallken even so, thought the reference was too cold… Dec 23 23:05
schestowitz Tallken: I just mentioned VS, so I was reminded of the fact that someone (who spies) here uses it Dec 23 23:05
Tallken ok Dec 23 23:05
Tallken for the record, I use as well :p on some subjects at least :p Dec 23 23:05
schestowitz If it’s too cold, then it’s because benJIman is not here to support or help Dec 23 23:05
schestowitz cj was here some day or 2 ago. He’s working for Microsoft (indirectly) Dec 23 23:06
Tallken cj ? I thought he was a regular participant here? Dec 23 23:06
schestowitz Tallken: that’s OK because you’re not pro-Novelsoft(‘s anti GPL deals) Dec 23 23:06
schestowitz cj? He tried coming here just to immediately have us hug Microsoft Dec 23 23:07
schestowitz It’s like Microsoft trying to hire Alan Cox. Dec 23 23:07
schestowitz Or Eric Raymond… they both told Microsoft to sod off. Dec 23 23:07
MinceR intel may be bad but it isn’t as bad as m$ Dec 23 23:07
schestowitz Got this E-mail 3 hrs ago: “asking if governments could be corrupt is like asking if rain falls from the sky .. You keep upsetting some very rich and influential people. Expect two types of responses. They’ll try and discredit you, they’ll try and buy you off with paying you for pretend research ..” Dec 23 23:08
Tallken MinceR: there are no good guys :p there are the less evil guys :p Dec 23 23:09
MinceR there are good guys Dec 23 23:09
schestowitz FSF? Dec 23 23:10
schestowitz EFF are good. Dec 23 23:10
MinceR yes Dec 23 23:11
MinceR then there’s us :> Dec 23 23:11
schestowitz The ‘Gang’ (j/k) Dec 23 23:12
schestowitz http://www.courant.com/features/hc-words122… “Similarly, Larry Rosenblum of Sunnyvale, Calif., recently spotted a newspaper headline that read “Swapping Linux for Windows,” but the story described using Linux instead of Windows.”” Dec 23 23:14
schestowitz “”To swap” means “to exchange something for something else,” so the headline should have read, “Swapping Windows for Linux.” Of course, it could also have read “Substituting Linux for Windows.”” Dec 23 23:14
schestowitz Microsoft’s Allard: “We’re getting the gang back together.”   < http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-industry-mov… > Dec 23 23:15
Tallken hum ok ok, FSF and EFF are ok, at least for the time being Dec 23 23:16
schestowitz S3 :-( S3′s New OpenGL 3.0 Linux Driver Still M.I.A. < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n… > Dec 23 23:22
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?… “Well there goes Evolution. When Mono’s tentacles go deep enough GNOME itself will go from my desktop. If the cancer doesn’t stop there I can always migrate to BSD. But hopefully they won’t ram the *** into any of the core tech like dbus.” Dec 23 23:40
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?l… “This is typical behavior of the Ximian people (who call themselves “Novell” these days). Miguel and Nat are Microsoft shills, and I suspect that they’re both secretly on the Microsoft payroll somehow.” Dec 23 23:41
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ganmel Have you ever heard of “used software”? Dec 23 23:43
ganmel the paradox is: Why invest billions in Vista when everyone is fine with XP? Dec 23 23:43
ganmel It has to do with the “used software” market. Dec 23 23:44
ganmel http://www.usedsoft.com/en/ Dec 23 23:46
ganmel Microsoft tries to lobby governments to avoid the resale of software. Dec 23 23:47
ganmel I buy a computer, install Linux on it. So I want to I sell my XP license… Dec 23 23:47
schestowitz Hey Dec 23 23:47
schestowitz They play many tricks with second-hand PCs Dec 23 23:48
ganmel It is the magic bullet. Dec 23 23:48
schestowitz It’s like with sub-notebooks. GNU/Linux gains a lot there, so they clog it up by dumping, changing rules, pressuring builders/OEMs Dec 23 23:48
schestowitz If you like, I can give you pointers to articles about it that I’ve accumulated Dec 23 23:49
ganmel cool Dec 23 23:49
schestowitz Ick. “..from Adobe to Microsoft to Novell, and many more as well.” Dec 23 23:49
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schestowitz If you need specific links, let me know. Dec 23 23:54
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schestowitz I have come to the conclusion that TuxMachines is the best resource for news. I told the Webmaster not to leave us stranded. She’s moving the site today. Dec 23 23:57
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