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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 14th, 2009 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:45 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


Enter the IRC channel now

schestowitz But they can pass on poison to the well-indoctrinated. Jan 14 00:00
MinceR he’s consistently done these things over and over, willfully, shown no remorse and he has shown that he cares only about money and is willing to harm anyone and everyone to get it Jan 14 00:00
schestowitz Those who believe Pearly is an Angel Jan 14 00:00
twitter They can pass on anything to the ignorant. Jan 14 00:00
schestowitz Well, he does after all own a lot of media companies Jan 14 00:00
schestowitz MinceR: let me find a good message Jan 14 00:01
twitter M$ Death Watch Updated with CES and Windows 7 sales projections http://slashdot.org/~twitter/jo… Jan 14 00:01
schestowitz ____/ Ian Hilliard on Monday 12 January 2009 14:42 : \____ Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > ml2mst wrote: Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz >> I’m wondering to what the nickname “The Vole” (when talking about MS) Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz >> refers to. Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz >> Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz >> All I fount out is, that MS was called The Vole @ The INQ. But still Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz >> don’t understand why. Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz >> Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz >> I found a couple of articles about a rat alike species, but can’t figure Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz >> out what they have in common. Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz >> Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz >> What’s the missing link? Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz >> Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz >> TIA Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz >> Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > In Startrek TNG lore, the Vole was the queen of the Borg. The Borg is a race Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > of partly organic and partly technological creatures that move from region Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > to region taking over other species. Any species that the Borg could not Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > integrate it would attempt to destroy. There was a time when Microsoft Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > behaved much like the Borg. As such, Bill Gates was called the Vole. Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > The days where Microsoft was all conquering have past. Those days started to Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > pass just about the time that Steve Balmer took control. To me the reason Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > for this is simple. Under Bill Gates, the aim of Microsoft was to control Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > the world of technology. Under Steve Balmer, the aim of Microsoft is to Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > make as much money as possible as quickly as possible. Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > The results have been clear. Under Steve Balmer, Microsoft makes a lot of Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > money and has made even more enemies. Steve Balmer has been a boon for Jan 14 00:02
schestowitz > Linux and FOSS in general. Jan 14 00:02
tessier_ yuhong: That bad? He should be drawn and quartered! Jan 14 00:02
tessier_ I had no idea that the Borg queen was called the Vole Jan 14 00:03
schestowitz *LOL* @ despite the release of Vista rebranded as Windows 7 Jan 14 00:03
tessier_ And I used to watch a lot of trek Jan 14 00:03
MinceR me neither Jan 14 00:03
cj wowza.  pastebin, schestowitz :) Jan 14 00:03
twitter PC Makers expect Windows 7 to do nothing to improve sales, they instead expect it to decline another 2 to 8%.  :) Jan 14 00:04
twitter I thought a Vole was a kind of field mouse.  Oh well, make it so. Jan 14 00:04
twitter dinner time. Jan 14 00:04
schestowitz 7 will give Lucky 7 (the number) a bad name Jan 14 00:04
schestowitz They are on a killpath Jan 14 00:04
schestowitz Like with Fiji Jan 14 00:04
twitter yep bbl. Jan 14 00:05
schestowitz Fiji’s fury over Microsoft’s Pacific solution http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/fijis-fu… Jan 14 00:05
schestowitz “Fiji’s military government has written to the software giant Microsoft demanding the company not use their country name in any of its products.” Jan 14 00:06
yuhong To be honest, I don’t think Linux is a bad OS and I almost never criticise Linux. Jan 14 00:08
yuhong What does Pearly refers to? Jan 14 00:09
MinceR i think gates Jan 14 00:09
yuhong Why? Jan 14 00:09
tessier_ yuhong: As far as I’m concerned it’s less about any specific software and more about the freedom and the process of FLOSS. Linux just happens to be the only usable FLOSS kernel we have Jan 14 00:10
MinceR it’s sarcasm. you’ve never heard the phrase “pearly gates”? Jan 14 00:10
tessier_ I don’t trust Sun and their license. Jan 14 00:10
schestowitz Noorda… Jan 14 00:10
tessier_ MinceR: It’s a cultural thing. My wife has never heard of “pearly gates” either. Jan 14 00:10
yuhong No not me either. Jan 14 00:10
schestowitz The shark has pearly teeth Jan 14 00:10
schestowitz Mackey (??) the Knife. Jan 14 00:11
tessier_ It’s a westerner/english/christian expression. Jan 14 00:11
yuhong What about “Jobs”, do you mean Steve Jobs? Jan 14 00:11
tessier_ Buddhists don’t have a St Peter to wait for them at the Pearly Gates of heaven. Jan 14 00:11
yuhong I don’t think FOSS is bad either. Jan 14 00:12
schestowitz Mitch Kertzman, former CEO of Sybase, a Microsoft competitor in the database arena: Jan 14 00:13
schestowitz “To me, Bill is the great white shark that looks at minnows with no more consciousness than we look at a plate of food. The shark has no soul. The shark knows no boundaries. All it has is an appetite. When the shark gets hungry, it thinks “I’m hungry”, so it eats.” Jan 14 00:13
yuhong “Linux just happens to be the only usable FLOSS kernel we have” Jan 14 00:13
yuhong Not true, there are *BSD and OpenSolaris. Jan 14 00:13
yuhong And ReactOS too. Jan 14 00:14
yuhong What about “Jobs”, do you mean Steve Jobs? Jan 14 00:14
schestowitz They suffer from momentum/publicity problems Jan 14 00:14
schestowitz Same for GNU Jan 14 00:14
yuhong But these are still usable FOSS kernels. Jan 14 00:15
yuhong What about “Jobs”, do you mean Steve Jobs? Jan 14 00:15
yuhong Also, you mentioned Intel execs in a previous IRC. Jan 14 00:17
yuhong How does their crimes compare to MS. Jan 14 00:17
tessier_ I just said I don’t trust Sun. Jan 14 00:18
tessier_ ReactOS is a windows emulation right? Jan 14 00:18
MinceR 011858 < tessier_> It’s a westerner/english/christian expression. Jan 14 00:18
tessier_ BSD is a FLOSS kernel I suppose. Jan 14 00:18
MinceR yes, but it has spread a lot in popular culture Jan 14 00:18
tessier_ I do prefer the GNU userland as well though. Jan 14 00:19
tessier_ MinceR: Popular western culture. Jan 14 00:19
schestowitz If the world no longer revolves around Sun, then what? Jan 14 00:19
MinceR (i’m not a native english speaker and not christian either) Jan 14 00:19
tessier_ MinceR: The vast majority of people on earth do not know about the Pearly Gates. Jan 14 00:19
MinceR yes, western :) Jan 14 00:19
MinceR the vast majority of people on earth can’t connect to the internet, either :> Jan 14 00:19
tessier_ Indeed. Jan 14 00:19
*schestowitz thinks MinceR has strong English skills Jan 14 00:20
*MinceR hopes so :) Jan 14 00:20
*schestowitz sulks at many self-inflicted typos Jan 14 00:20
MinceR my pronunciation isn’t that great though Jan 14 00:20
tessier_ MinceR: What is your first language? Jan 14 00:20
MinceR and i probably still can’t really separate the UK parts from the US parts of what i use Jan 14 00:20
MinceR tessier_: hungarian Jan 14 00:21
tessier_ Ah. Jan 14 00:21
tessier_ I have a friend from one of my other IRC channels in Hungary right now. Jan 14 00:21
tessier_ He is from there . Jan 14 00:21
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MinceR reactos isn’t an emulation, it’s a windows reimplementation Jan 14 00:22
MinceR i guess they aim to replace a bad implementation of a bad design with a good implementation of a bad design. :) Jan 14 00:22
tessier_ http://i.gizmodo.com/512991… Jan 14 00:23
tessier_ And that rules out ReactOS. Jan 14 00:23
tessier_ There are a lot of reasons to not like Windows, not just the company that made it Jan 14 00:23
MinceR indeed. actually i think there aren’t many reasons to use it at all Jan 14 00:25
MinceR some apps holding the user back, perhaps — but even that can be arranged for via dual-booting or in a vm Jan 14 00:25
schestowitz ReactOS uses Wine, AFAIK Jan 14 00:26
tessier_ But then you still have to buy windows Jan 14 00:26
schestowitz MS hired one of the lead devs Jan 14 00:26
tessier_ I really don’t even know why ReactOS or Wine are bothering to do what they do Jan 14 00:26
NeonFloss I find them useful Jan 14 00:27
MinceR wine helps transition Jan 14 00:27
tessier_ I’ve never known anyone who used wine in a transition. All of the stuff people seem to want to run won’t run in wine Jan 14 00:27
MinceR if some windows-only apps are holding the user back, they might move them to wine Jan 14 00:27
schestowitz SCO is up 14% Jan 14 00:29
schestowitz 1 cent :-) Jan 14 00:29
schestowitz http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01/… (As Dow Sinks, Charity Traffic Goes Up) Jan 14 00:30
MinceR also, once windows finally dies, wine might become the only way to run its apps for a while Jan 14 00:31
MinceR gn Jan 14 00:32
schestowitz Vista held great promise.. in early 2006 Jan 14 00:33
schestowitz Had you asked someone about it back then (only enthusiasts tried it), they’d say “it’ll kill Linux” Jan 14 00:34
schestowitz So history repeats itself. It’s a game that MS plays for PR. Jan 14 00:34
MinceR and the m$ fanboys don’t learn because they lack the organ necessary for learning Jan 14 00:34
schestowitz They don’t keep track Jan 14 00:35
schestowitz It’s not their fault Jan 14 00:36
schestowitz The art of deception is well mastered by marleting people and MS is a marketing company Jan 14 00:36
MinceR it’s their fault for being militantly unaware of their environment Jan 14 00:36
schestowitz A lot of people fold the paper and are convinced that all in their is true. Jan 14 00:36
schestowitz “In print”= undeniably true Jan 14 00:36
schestowitz People are taught to accept this as a tautology Jan 14 00:37
schestowitz Var Guy sucks up to the Vole (see comments, I’m there too): http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/01/12/mic… Jan 14 00:39
schestowitz Gun culture.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/ame… Where Jack Thompson when he can blame Microsoft? He did the same when the kid from Korea massacred kids on campus. I think he played Halo ot CS. Jan 14 00:41
schestowitz Dangerous coding errors revealed < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tech… > Jan 14 00:45
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schestowitz “Yahoo has chosen former Autodesk CEO Carol Bartz as its new chief executive, ending its search for Jerry Yang’s replacement, according to a Wall Street Journal report this morning. Autodesk, known for its computer-assisted design software, happens to be a longtime Microsoft partner, so the choice may stir new speculation about a possible Yahoo-Microsoft search deal.” Jan 14 00:49
schestowitz http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Yahoos_CE… Jan 14 00:49
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NeonFloss schestowitz: sorry about the thing I did when I first joined the channel Jan 14 01:19
NeonFloss that was embarrassing Jan 14 01:19
NeonFloss lmao Jan 14 01:19
schestowitz I remember.. :-) Jan 14 01:21
schestowitz It’s funny, that’s all. Jan 14 01:21
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schestowitz We got comment from likmeghn@microsoft.com Jan 14 08:29
PetoKraus morning Jan 14 08:35
PetoKraus link? Jan 14 08:35
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0… “You sound really concerned about Novell – when were you exited from the company?” Jan 14 08:42
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MinceR geekings Jan 14 09:20
PetoKraus http://philosecurity.org/2009/01/… Jan 14 09:45
schestowitz Seen it last night Jan 14 09:46
schestowitz David Gerard posted a link in BN Jan 14 09:46
PetoKraus it’s nice Jan 14 09:46
PetoKraus very nice Jan 14 09:47
PetoKraus i mean Jan 14 09:47
PetoKraus THIS is popular journalism Jan 14 09:47
PetoKraus this is how you do proper articles and interviews Jan 14 09:47
schestowitz they put text as images Jan 14 09:47
schestowitz I wanted to copy the quotes last night, but it was an image!! Jan 14 09:47
PetoKraus it doesn’t make techies go like “uh oh, you’re oversimplifying” and it doesn’t make non-savvy people go “fuck off with all that tech” Jan 14 09:47
PetoKraus ah, yes Jan 14 09:48
PetoKraus you can grep the article – it’s text :P Jan 14 09:48
MinceR i’d have preferred some more details though Jan 14 09:50
MinceR such as how does windoze allow anyone to tamper with interrupt handlers Jan 14 09:50
schestowitz PetoKraus: see the fonts on the sides. Jan 14 09:56
PetoKraus y Jan 14 09:56
Omar871 http://cc.aljazeera.net/con… Jan 14 10:00
Omar871 This is a great step. Jan 14 10:00
schestowitz Cool. “The Al Jazeera Creative Common Repository hosts select broadcast quality footage that Al Jazeera has released under various Creative Commons licenses.” Jan 14 10:08
schestowitz Copyleft near.. Jan 14 10:08
schestowitz The BBC has heaps of archive no-one uses or has access to. Huge waste of info. Jan 14 10:09
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mib_57pwt4 if it works for you why change it Jan 14 10:18
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Omar871 schestowitz: :) Jan 14 10:26
schestowitz re: mib*? Jan 14 10:29
Omar871 schestowitz: perhaps it’s a good thing thing to write about. Jan 14 10:31
Omar871 schestowitz: The Al Jazeera thing I mean. Jan 14 10:31
schestowitz I’m putting it among the links Jan 14 10:34
Omar871 Cool! Jan 14 10:43
schestowitz BN is a nuthouse, traffic-wise Jan 14 11:50
schestowitz I’m too cautious to check because analysing stats slows down an already slow server. Jan 14 11:51
schestowitz Almost 10GB yesterday, exc. Coral traffic. Monday was about 6GB+Coral Jan 14 11:52
schestowitz Oh, we’ve also just made FP of Linux Today. Jan 14 11:52
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Omar871 schestowitz: Pingdom can help you sort this problem out. However, their services might be a bit costy. Jan 14 12:10
Omar871 http://www.pingdom.com Jan 14 12:10
schestowitz There are free services Jan 14 12:10
schestowitz I’m OK with that Jan 14 12:10
schestowitz We could also do things in the site to optimise it Jan 14 12:10
schestowitz We suffered downtimes on Monday. Jan 14 12:11
Omar871 Sure. Jan 14 12:11
schestowitz On Tuesday we spewed many error pages Jan 14 12:11
schestowitz I’ve just posted another smoking gun Jan 14 12:11
Omar871 oh ok Jan 14 12:11
schestowitz Check out the latest post on MOUs and such Jan 14 12:11
Omar871 By the way, can I ask you something? Jan 14 12:11
schestowitz In the middle east, MS has many MOUs. I see it in the news. Jan 14 12:11
schestowitz Sure. Jan 14 12:11
Omar871 Does Google ads really earn you anything? Jan 14 12:12
Omar871 Is it really as good as this big hype about it says it is? Jan 14 12:12
schestowitz No Jan 14 12:12
schestowitz Shane has the AdSense account Jan 14 12:13
Omar871 oh ok. Jan 14 12:13
schestowitz It paid him $50 a month the last time I heard, which is more than enough for hosting (we needed to upgrade because of bandwidth cap) Jan 14 12:13
schestowitz He says he uses the excess to burn and distribute Edu-Nix (the GNU/Linux distro he develops) Jan 14 12:13
Omar871 mhmm Jan 14 12:13
schestowitz There’s no money in activism. Jan 14 12:13
schestowitz But it’s *so* much fun. Jan 14 12:14
Omar871 Yeah, sure it is. Jan 14 12:14
schestowitz Fighting corruption is rewarding. Jan 14 12:14
schestowitz PJ says the same thing. I used to find it more stressful, but not anymore Jan 14 12:14
Omar871 You just get used to it over time. :) Jan 14 12:15
schestowitz Yes, thick skin and all. Jan 14 12:15
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schestowitz http://twitter.com/glynmoody/… “glynmoody: Is it just me, or are Web sites using more and more cookies these days? I spend my entire life clicking on OK to allow them for the session” Jan 14 13:09
MinceR i accept cookies for the correct domain automatically Jan 14 13:10
MinceR and deny others automatically Jan 14 13:10
schestowitz here we go… riots and extremism fueled by the global corruption.. http://translate.google.com/t… Jan 14 13:12
schestowitz Just like before the world wars :-( Jan 14 13:12
schestowitz MinceR: never accept a cookie from a stranger. Jan 14 13:12
schestowitz Will Yahoo CEO move pave way for Microhoo? < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-1014202… > Jan 14 13:14
twitter There has been some strange cookie change lately.  Often a page will redirect konqueror sessions to a setcookie page.  I’ll pay more attention next time. Jan 14 13:54
twitter A lot of people have been getting that 1930s feeling for a few years now. Jan 14 13:55
schestowitz 1929 Jan 14 13:59
schestowitz Identify the symptoms and cause: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_…  Eerily familiar Jan 14 14:00
PetoKraus i am so freaking tired. schestowitz, do you go to gym every day? I am knackered after playing football on monday and squash yesterday… Jan 14 14:06
PetoKraus i could use a pint of arran’s though Jan 14 14:07
schestowitz 4 a week Jan 14 14:08
PetoKraus oh well. I need to get back to sports Jan 14 14:08
PetoKraus it stimulates mind quite a lot Jan 14 14:08
schestowitz Yes, sedentary lives become common. Jan 14 14:08
PetoKraus just the body feels crap… Jan 14 14:08
schestowitz Go tot he toilet then. j/k Jan 14 14:13
PetoKraus ;) Jan 14 14:15
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PetoKraus did you read about Qt relicensing Jan 14 14:28
schestowitz I heard something about it Jan 14 14:29
schestowitz Glyn twitted about LGPL. Jan 14 14:29
schestowitz And Qt.. Jan 14 14:29
PetoKraus http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n… Jan 14 14:29
schestowitz http://dot.kde.org/1231920504/ “This exciting change, made with consultation of the KDE Free Qt Foundation, should encourage KDE and Qt use among commercial and proprietary developers and makes the philosophy of “Qt Everywhere” complete.” Jan 14 14:30
schestowitz I was gonna say f* Nokia, but the KDE people seem happy (?) about it.. Jan 14 14:31
schestowitz “All-in-all today’s news means tremendous things for Free and Open Source software. The possibility of extending the reach of all of our work is exciting in and of itself, and this announcement could lead to a veritable explosion of Qt and KDE adoption.” Jan 14 14:31
trmanco ooo Jan 14 14:35
trmanco you Wanna know what got released today? Jan 14 14:35
trmanco sorry, yesterday … Jan 14 14:35
schestowitz OOo??? :-) Jan 14 14:38
schestowitz I got it an hour ago Jan 14 14:38
schestowitz There was a security update in Mandriva Jan 14 14:38
trmanco nop Jan 14 14:38
trmanco no OOo Jan 14 14:39
trmanco not* Jan 14 14:39
schestowitz But you said ooo Jan 14 14:39
trmanco LOL Jan 14 14:39
trmanco booo Jan 14 14:39
schestowitz Liar Jan 14 14:39
trmanco :( Jan 14 14:39
trmanco mononono got an update Jan 14 14:39
schestowitz OOo ooo! Mono! Jan 14 14:39
trmanco yeah, something like that Jan 14 14:39
schestowitz Did you inform the medical departments? Jan 14 14:40
schestowitz The infecftion ought to be controlled Jan 14 14:40
trmanco of what? Jan 14 14:40
trmanco oh Jan 14 14:40
trmanco no not yet Jan 14 14:40
schestowitz mononucleosis is infectious Jan 14 14:40
trmanco I don’t really think my country is being deeply infedted with that Jan 14 14:40
trmanco infected* Jan 14 14:40
trmanco but I will give them a heads up :-P Jan 14 14:41
schestowitz Is there “Linux infestations” in your country, as MS called it? Jan 14 14:41
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trmanco oh yeah … but remember, this little country that I live in is “all about microfoot” Jan 14 14:42
trmanco but Linux will grow Jan 14 14:42
trmanco and is already growing, at least in the neighborhood I live in :-P Jan 14 14:42
moogstrap i got my gf to switch to linux after telling her about how the OLPC project got blown apart Jan 14 14:45
trmanco cool Jan 14 14:45
trmanco I kinda did a coll thing today Jan 14 14:45
moogstrap but I think for most people they convert for less ideological reasons Jan 14 14:45
trmanco I compiled a custom kernel today :D Jan 14 14:46
trmanco cool* Jan 14 14:46
moogstrap very cool. Gentoo? Jan 14 14:46
trmanco nop Jan 14 14:47
schestowitz Cool. Jan 14 14:47
trmanco Fedora Jan 14 14:47
schestowitz Most people change for freedom Jan 14 14:47
trmanco it took me 20 minutes to compile it and install it Jan 14 14:47
schestowitz But not in the conventional sense. Jan 14 14:47
schestowitz More like the freedom to mess about Jan 14 14:47
schestowitz Not to modify code Jan 14 14:47
moogstrap i used to think microsoft owned the rights to all of the programming languages becauses of things like Visual C and stuff. yeeeuch Jan 14 14:48
trmanco visual C sucks Jan 14 14:49
trmanco AFAIK, it is not even POSIX compliant? Jan 14 14:49
moogstrap did anyone see the indy article about netbooks? http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadge… Jan 14 14:49
moogstrap I haven’t a clue. I don’t know C at all Jan 14 14:50
trmanco o use emacs+gcc or g++ to compile C/C++ code Jan 14 14:51
ushimitsudoki posix compliance is not what matters … it is ANSI/ISO compliance that C compilers should strive for Jan 14 14:51
trmanco I* Jan 14 14:51
schestowitz Visual C? Blech. Jan 14 14:51
schestowitz Some people likes VB as a beginner’s P/L Jan 14 14:51
moogstrap “In return, Microsoft wanted assurances that the netbook’s screens would remain limited to less than 10.2 inches and their hard drives to a maximum of 80 GB, to prevent them eating into the company’s traditional laptop market. ” lol Jan 14 14:51
trmanco visual basic Jan 14 14:52
trmanco been there too… Jan 14 14:52
trmanco a 10 year old kid can can themselves a programmer Jan 14 14:52
schestowitz moogstrap: that’s price-fixing Jan 14 14:52
schestowitz It’s pat of the Intel-MS swindle. Jan 14 14:52
schestowitz *part Jan 14 14:52
schestowitz trmanco: a 9-year-old can get an MCSE Jan 14 14:53
schestowitz :-) Jan 14 14:53
moogstrap sure I know. it’s just nice to see it in a major newspaper, in their featured article no less Jan 14 14:53
schestowitz http://www.switched.com/2008/12/24/9-year-… Jan 14 14:53
schestowitz Microsoft employs a 9-year-old kid now Jan 14 14:53
trmanco Jan 14 14:54
schestowitz So if you find a bug, be wary Jan 14 14:54
schestowitz Easter eggs might be literal/ Jan 14 14:54
ushimitsudoki haha MCSE at age 9 – shows how much of a joke such certifications are Jan 14 14:54
schestowitz Ballmer’s remark about free soda pops might make sense now. Jan 14 14:54
schestowitz “Click, file…then “save”…” Jan 14 14:55
schestowitz If it’s borked, reinstall or buy a new Intel PC Jan 14 14:55
schestowitz Microsoft Jack gets slapped: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/… Jan 14 14:58
schestowitz “If you actually broke accurate stories yourself instead of making fun of our site so much, I might not have to point it out. It’s curious that you cite our work so much, since it is typically right on the news, and yet call All Things Digital “insufferably smug.” But then you would know a thing or two about that.” Jan 14 14:59
moogstrap heh. I’m sure you’ve already seen this one: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/revie… Jan 14 15:02
schestowitz Talking points Jan 14 15:05
PetoKraus oh god: Jan 14 15:05
PetoKraus http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/amer… Jan 14 15:05
schestowitz I’m doing a post about this stuff ATM Jan 14 15:05
schestowitz PetoKraus: he reached a new level Jan 14 15:06
PetoKraus yeah Jan 14 15:06
twitter love that picture Jan 14 15:06
schestowitz Will Microsoft reward him with XBox Live pts.? Jan 14 15:06
PetoKraus this can happen only in US Jan 14 15:06
twitter I wonder what his /. handle was Jan 14 15:07
moogstrap wtf. was he expecting his parents to respawn or something? Jan 14 15:07
twitter no, he expected them to die Jan 14 15:07
schestowitz Halo->Insanity Jan 14 15:08
PetoKraus nah Jan 14 15:08
twitter stories like that give new meaning to the death threats I get Jan 14 15:08
PetoKraus 9mm gun in a locker with kid addicted to shooting game -> insanity Jan 14 15:08
twitter M$ -> Insanity Jan 14 15:08
schestowitz Got examples? Jan 14 15:08
schestowitz You should pass on examples to the secret services Jan 14 15:08
twitter sure, let me dig them up Jan 14 15:08
schestowitz Some people can be ‘mass threateners’. They need to become extinct Jan 14 15:08
schestowitz You know Microsoft’s Kempin? Jan 14 15:09
schestowitz He is the OEM chief (well, was) Jan 14 15:09
twitter http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2… Jan 14 15:09
schestowitz He got arrested for shooting animals Jan 14 15:09
schestowitz He kills animals for lesisure. Jan 14 15:09
twitter http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2… Jan 14 15:09
twitter http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=… Jan 14 15:10
schestowitz “Regardless, it would cheaper for them to have you killed than spend good money on employing people to mod you down.” Jan 14 15:10
schestowitz Seems like death wish, not death threat Jan 14 15:10
twitter http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid… Jan 14 15:10
twitter a wish from the same agent is a threat.  I regard that troll account as one belonging to a M$ PR firm. Jan 14 15:11
schestowitz Death wishes Jan 14 15:12
schestowitz Some Microsoft lackeys get them too Jan 14 15:12
schestowitz I got many, but no list of links offhand. Jan 14 15:12
schestowitz PJ got actual threats Jan 14 15:12
schestowitz I did too, but I can’t recall where to find them Jan 14 15:12
twitter anonymous threats are actual threats Jan 14 15:12
twitter I understand that some pranksters do that kind of thing without understanding, but the target is unable to tell the difference. Jan 14 15:13
schestowitz http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2… “Your a stupid asshole, please kill yourself, I hope my words cause you to ibiblio die have fun trying to prosecute me for murder, if I ever meet you face to face I WILL kill you, ibiblioin piece of shit.” Jan 14 15:13
schestowitz Sounds like he was drunk or something. Jan 14 15:14
trmanco tomorrow is a big day Jan 14 15:14
schestowitz :-) A stoned Darl. Jan 14 15:14
trmanco wait I’m confused Jan 14 15:14
twitter I don’t get them anymore – the law changed a little. Jan 14 15:14
trmanco did microfoot already layoff those 15k employees ? Jan 14 15:15
twitter I collected some in the Troll Zoo.  http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/204737 Jan 14 15:15
schestowitz MS Jack vs Swisher: “It appears that the pipe-smoking one has previously pissed off this Woman. I guess this time he can’t call her a f*ckwit and remove her comments “ Jan 14 15:15
schestowitz http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/bl… http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/11/20/kar… Jan 14 15:15
schestowitz Hehe, this is getting curious Jan 14 15:15
twitter today looks like a big day too http://finance.google.com/finance down 2% already Jan 14 15:16
schestowitz trmanco: maybe tomorrow Jan 14 15:16
trmanco yeah, so tomowrrow is a big day after all Jan 14 15:16
trmanco tomorrow* Jan 14 15:16
schestowitz It’s a interesting year. 1929+80 Jan 14 15:16
twitter maybe not.  With M$’s stock price already less than $20, they don’t dare. Jan 14 15:16
schestowitz trmanco: maybe around the same thing as the results (22nd, IIRC) Jan 14 15:17
schestowitz They must tell investors that they cut costs somehow Jan 14 15:17
schestowitz I’m doing a good post now. Can you proofread? Jan 14 15:17
twitter sure Jan 14 15:17
twitter I need to look at the news this morning anyhow Jan 14 15:17
schestowitz Posted. Satyam, Wipro and Infosys go under regulatory artillery: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/fr… Jan 14 15:18
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