| trmanco | "6. Boot times | Jan 15 15:22 |
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| trmanco | My XP would take at times almost 10 minutes to boot up, log in and get going, and Ubuntu cuts it down to around 2. Makes my computer experience much better from the start." | Jan 15 15:22 |
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| MinceR | my kubuntu boots in 1 minute | Jan 15 15:23 |
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| MinceR | (after fixing /etc/hosts and replacing exim with postfix) | Jan 15 15:23 |
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| trmanco | my ubuntu boots in about 40 seconds | Jan 15 15:24 |
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| trmanco | grub -> login screen | Jan 15 15:24 |
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| trmanco | login screen -> usable state | about +12 seconds | Jan 15 15:24 |
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| trmanco | maybe less | Jan 15 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | IBM to creates 1,300 jobs in Iowa < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne... > Comes/Iowa? :-) | Jan 15 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/15/ms-edgi... I'd be surprised you found no typos, but it's gratifying if that's the case. I'll go ahead and edit it after one last pass... Thank you so much for reading... let me know what you think. | Jan 15 16:14 |
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| moogstrap | whew. it's pretty comprehensive | Jan 15 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | Hopefully the Indian press will use it again. | Jan 15 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | anivar helped me with the references and all.. | Jan 15 16:30 |
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| moogstrap | aye | Jan 15 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | Just keep an eye on: http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/f... | Jan 15 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | by mail: "More to come, I guess. It is about lobbying the Article 29 Group, the core advisor community for data protection regulation in Europe." | Jan 15 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | They already expand Sarko-type laws to Belgium. | Jan 15 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | "As of Belgian Universities I never saw such a tendency of academic institutions to sell out. 3/4 year ago I was at a law school event at Vrije University (because I resided in Brussels) with Nokia, it was about software copyright, not patents as I expected,. and basically these lobbyists used a students class as a training platform..." | Jan 15 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | "for their BS lobbying and maybe for brainwash of future generations, no idea maybe the University is a title mill. Basically there is an intellectual level you need to meet, I am not against partisan science or industry involvement, but that was way below. I had a person from the Council with me and we were both shocked." | Jan 15 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | "You know the interesting aspect that they basically prostitute their institution to each and every player, the next week was a kind of security policy event with nato announced. This vulnerability might be related to the split in the Belgian nation in different language groups with their own administration and universities." | Jan 15 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | US -> France (via Sarko) -> rest of EU | Jan 15 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | McCreevy too | Jan 15 16:35 |
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| karabas | whats about that ”data protection regulation in Europe”? | Jan 15 16:35 |
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| moogstrap | yes I haven't heard about that | Jan 15 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | EVENT ANNOUNCEMENT : Computers, Privacy & Data Protection conference: Data Protection in A Profiled World ? < http://www.cpdpconferences.org > | Jan 15 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | It starts tomorrow | Jan 15 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | "16 January 2009 - 17 January 2009 Brussels, Belgium - This event aims to offer a disscussion forum for policymakers, academics, practitioners, activists and representatives from standardization bodies and ICT industries,on key issues related to data protection and privacy. The main topic of this year's conference is "profiling and automatic computing"." | Jan 15 16:36 |
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| moogstrap | here's the UK doc http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/fsj/pri... | Jan 15 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | Europe lets the American companies (i.e. investors) decide and instruct the young | Jan 15 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | This is wrong | Jan 15 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | Education and regulation comes FROM ABOVE corps, but they let _even overseas_ companies write law and practice. | Jan 15 16:37 |
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| moogstrap | The indoctrination thing is interesting. I mean, most people I know grew up with the belief that sharing is good. now it's something perverse. Even things that are supposed to be shared anyway (GNU/Linux etc) are a threat. I wonder how successful it's going to be | Jan 15 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | Let me find a post | Jan 15 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft brags about this to investors. | Jan 15 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/29... (there are more) | Jan 15 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | Gotta love this photo: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/27/... | Jan 15 16:42 |
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| moogstrap | hah | Jan 15 16:43 |
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| schestowitz | I assembled more links about it in BN, so in case I need to provide substantial evidence, I can. | Jan 15 16:44 |
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| moogstrap | eugh | Jan 15 16:46 |
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| moogstrap | nasty | Jan 15 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | That's old news now, sort of | Jan 15 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | I've not heard about it for like 6 months, but it's documented. They charge curricula. | Jan 15 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | *change | Jan 15 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | That's what word/terms like "intellectual PROPERTY" and "STEALING" are about. Microsoft employees are taught to use them when referring to ideas and they recite even terms like "piracy". "If thought can corrupt language, then language can also corrupt thought." --George Orwell | Jan 15 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | Propagation of error re: R as an 'open source' (???) project... http://www.ovum.com/news/euronews.a... | Jan 15 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | The New York Times (Ashlee Vance) spread this mistake last week. | Jan 15 16:55 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, Rajeev Kaul comment about post novel-sco is weird | Jan 15 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | I missed that. where? | Jan 15 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | in response to it? | Jan 15 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | we need context | Jan 15 17:07 |
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| neighborlee | Given the impact of Education market in India globally for us and the threats from Linux and piracy, I want to make this a big bet plan in India (post Novell - Sco and Trishul). < this | Jan 15 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | Any close links b/w them prior to 2003? | Jan 15 17:08 |
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| neighborlee | odd phrasing there 'big bet plan' but whatever ;) | Jan 15 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | novell= netware; sco=unix | Jan 15 17:09 |
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| moogstrap | sorry. phonecall. I was going to say that, as a seaman, I have actually been chased by pirates. they weren't offering copyrighted materials. | Jan 15 17:09 |
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| *schestowitz on phone | Jan 15 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Big bet | Jan 15 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | betting on replacing unix? | Jan 15 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | Baystar? | Jan 15 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | Where's Trishul? | Jan 15 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Or who is it? | Jan 15 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Worth googling. | Jan 15 17:12 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, joseX well said last few posts..very nice. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/11/ms-mai... | Jan 15 17:18 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, I feel exactly the same. | Jan 15 17:19 |
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| moogstrap | that API patent really takes the piss | Jan 15 17:21 |
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| neighborlee | yup | Jan 15 17:22 |
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| moogstrap | an optimistic view: http://www.sdtimes.com/FROM_THE_EDITORS_M... | Jan 15 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | Should i post something about that SCO-NOVELL thing in isolation? | Jan 15 17:24 |
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| moogstrap | you mean from the email quote? | Jan 15 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | Intel is corrupting the term "open source" now (just spotted in the news): http://www.brandrepublic.asia/Media/Advertisingarti... | Jan 15 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | moogstrap: yes. | Jan 15 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | It could be worth bearing in mind. | Jan 15 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | SCO and India are not so isolated | Jan 15 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | They had Sandi | Jan 15 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | They also had some deals there and deployments | Jan 15 17:27 |
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| moogstrap | I don't really know | Jan 15 17:31 |
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| moogstrap | I mean, is that the only reference? | Jan 15 17:33 |
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| moogstrap | still it's omninous | Jan 15 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, only this reference. | Jan 15 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | Where's Trishul? Let's google it.. :-) | Jan 15 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozcli... | Jan 15 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | BN at top spot | Jan 15 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trishul | Jan 15 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | Trishul may refer to: | Jan 15 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | * Trishul (weapon), a type of traditional trident from India | Jan 15 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | * Trishul (missile), a surface-to-air missile under development in India | Jan 15 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | * Trishul (film), a 1978 Hindi film | Jan 15 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | * INS Trishul, an Indian guided missile frigate bought from Russia | Jan 15 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | * Trishul or Trisul, the name of a Himalayan mountain peak. | Jan 15 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | Are they trying to torpedo Linux with Novell/SCO? ;-) | Jan 15 17:38 |
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| moogstrap | or Trishul Apartments | Jan 15 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | PJ might know.. | Jan 15 17:39 |
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| moogstrap | http://www.microsoft.com/india/me... | Jan 15 17:42 |
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| moogstrap | "Contributed to conceiving and developing “Trishul” plan as a core member with Sanjay Mirchandani, Rajiv Kaul and Tarun Gulati" | Jan 15 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | Ahhhhhhh. | Jan 15 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | Good find. | Jan 15 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | So how does this related to "Novell - Sco"? | Jan 15 17:43 |
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| moogstrap | meh. All I can find are articles about missiles | Jan 15 17:48 |
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| moogstrap | and some Java thing for mobiles | Jan 15 17:48 |
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| moogstrap | uh, cellphones | Jan 15 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | At least we know, thanks to you, that it's a project | Jan 15 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | Like Sco -Novell maybe? | Jan 15 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know the chronicles of this too welll... | Jan 15 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | PJ has historical summaries... | Jan 15 17:49 |
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| moogstrap | doubtful: http://www.few.vu.nl/~srijith/masters/t... | Jan 15 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | So I don't know how SCO related to Novell before litigation | Jan 15 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | GrokDoc/GrokLine with timelines and all might help | Jan 15 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | SCO did some mobile stuff recently (failed of course) | Jan 15 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | Signed some deals in India IIRC | Jan 15 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | Now it sells the assets | Jan 15 17:50 |
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| moogstrap | google has forsaken me. sorry dude | Jan 15 18:03 |
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| moogstrap | A patent invented by a guy called Trishul, owned by Microsoft: http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-85342158.html | Jan 15 18:13 |
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| schestowitz | Heh :-) | Jan 15 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks for looking. | Jan 15 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | Hey _doug | Jan 15 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | We got a Wiki | Jan 15 18:26 |
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| _doug | captain_mag: whassup ? | Jan 15 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | captain-suse | Jan 15 18:27 |
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| _doug | I see some new faces, not a lot of chat though :) | Jan 15 18:27 |
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| moogstrap | i'm swimming in work :s | Jan 15 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | Patents Roundup: Microsoft, Novell, Trolls, Europe, Bilski, Rambus and More: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/15/euro... | Jan 15 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: did you expect a carnival? | Jan 15 18:32 |
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| _doug | naw ... | Jan 15 18:32 |
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| _doug | moog: I just browse YOutube all day .. get paid the same ... | Jan 15 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | waddup with BN? | Jan 15 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | Server acts weirdly... | Jan 15 18:34 |
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| _doug | the more work you do, the more they'l lgive you .. | Jan 15 18:34 |
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| moogstrap | i'm strictly after hours. I'm making a python version of a really lame excel spreadsheet "programme" handed out to us at my college | Jan 15 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | Gah, is it down? | Jan 15 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | It's up... http://validator.w3.org/check?uri... | Jan 15 18:34 |
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| _doug | no< seems ok here .. | Jan 15 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | excel spreadhseet? ;-) | Jan 15 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | That's like saying Internet Explorer page | Jan 15 18:35 |
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| schestowitz | Shouldn't we separate formats from apps? | Jan 15 18:35 |
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| _doug | what kind of 'excel' program ? | Jan 15 18:35 |
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| schestowitz | Oh... look... I got a Thunderbird E-mail. | Jan 15 18:35 |
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| schestowitz | I'll pass it on to you... convert it to GMail format | Jan 15 18:35 |
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| moogstrap | navigation programme. ships | Jan 15 18:36 |
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| _doug | mindshare: excel = spreadsheet .. like the Microsoft Internet explorer ... | Jan 15 18:36 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: you know, like there are web pages and IE pages | Jan 15 18:36 |
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| *moogstrap watching the patent vid | Jan 15 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Does the page miss some images on your side? | Jan 15 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | I wonder if Shane is moving the CSS images to another server.. | Jan 15 18:37 |
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| _doug | yea, we need to 'understand' how to make webpages not display correctly in Netscale .. :) | Jan 15 18:37 |
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| MinceR | no, but one could say that some companies deviate so much from standards that they effectively create their own formats | Jan 15 18:37 |
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| _doug | Windows for Warships(TM) gets virus infection ..[->] | Jan 15 18:38 |
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| _doug | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/15/ro... | Jan 15 18:38 |
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| moogstrap | yeah. "you're doing it wrong" | Jan 15 18:39 |
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| _doug | best new Windows program of 2008 .. | Jan 15 18:40 |
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| _doug | Secunia Personal Software Inspector | Jan 15 18:40 |
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| _doug | http://secunia.com/blog/41/ | Jan 15 18:40 |
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| _doug | an AV package .. HAAAAAA !!!! | Jan 15 18:41 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Jan 15 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | BEst program fixes deficiency | Jan 15 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | Inherent one | Jan 15 18:42 |
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| moogstrap | a virus was going round here recently. it ended up on loads of people's USB sticks. I removed the viruses from my linux box. I should have charged money for that | Jan 15 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | Best program for Linux: bug fix (patch) for unexpected system lockups | Jan 15 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | All Ubuntu installations are infected as standard. Mononucleosis. | Jan 15 18:44 |
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| tessier_ | moogstrap: Your Linux box had a virus? | Jan 15 18:44 |
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| moogstrap | doug: don't forget about the defrag programme | Jan 15 18:44 |
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| moogstrap | tessier: oh, no. I mean I put the USB sticks into it, and deleted the virus executables and other dodgy-looking files | Jan 15 18:44 |
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| tessier_ | oh, ok | Jan 15 18:45 |
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| moogstrap | free of charge | Jan 15 18:45 |
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| tessier_ | Because that would be a first if your Linux box got a virus. :) | Jan 15 18:45 |
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| _doug | every time I go home I have an exe file and autorun.inf on by USB device .. | Jan 15 18:46 |
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| moogstrap | I made a shell script once that added "| xargs rm" to ls commands. If I gave it an ls alias, I suppose that would have made it a virus of sorts | Jan 15 18:47 |
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| moogstrap | yeah | Jan 15 18:47 |
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| _doug | moogstrap: naughty ... | Jan 15 18:48 |
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| moogstrap | I don't know. I went through a long command-line obsession phase. I wasn't thinking about it at the time | Jan 15 18:49 |
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| _doug | did you replace login with your own version ? | Jan 15 18:49 |
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| moogstrap | no. I made some aliases and some scripts and that was about it | Jan 15 18:50 |
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| moogstrap | i keep it simple. I use fish as default login shell. Pretty colours and all | Jan 15 18:51 |
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| tessier_ | "Various MoD computers and N* nets aboard warships including the carrier Ark Royal have suffered N* outages over the past fortnight, caused by virus infection." from http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/15/r... | Jan 15 18:52 |
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| _doug | fish ? | Jan 15 18:52 |
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| tessier_ | Does the British Navy have a carrier named Ark Royal today? I know there was one during WWII which was sunk near Gibraltar by a torpedo... | Jan 15 18:52 |
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| twitter | Did you see the BBC story about M$ Partner, Red China, and their "army" of online "spinners"? | Jan 15 18:52 |
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| _doug | that's old news tessier .. | Jan 15 18:52 |
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| moogstrap | http://www.fishshell.org/ | Jan 15 18:53 |
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| moogstrap | twitter: link? | Jan 15 18:53 |
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| twitter | Let me dig it up. | Jan 15 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Jan 15 18:53 |
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| _doug | moog: but it calls /bin/login | Jan 15 18:53 |
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| tessier_ | Hmm...apparently they built a new one. | Jan 15 18:53 |
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| _doug | so what you do is write your own login and then put it in the PATH of the user .. :) | Jan 15 18:54 |
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| _doug | fish looks similar to Midnight Commander | Jan 15 18:55 |
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| _doug | personally BASH and a bunch of functions and scripts does for me ... | Jan 15 18:56 |
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| _doug | get MC fro WIndows here http://freenet-homepage.de/franco.... | Jan 15 18:57 |
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| moogstrap | I tried MC when I used sidux for a while | Jan 15 18:57 |
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| twitter | Got it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pac... | Jan 15 18:58 |
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| tessier_ | http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/0003_m... "Windows 7 is easier to install, easier to use, simple to configure, compatible with a wide range of devices and software, and is the operating system for PC gaming, period. " | Jan 15 18:59 |
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| tessier_ | Windows is like toilet paper. If toilet paper got thicker every time the adverts said it did a single sheet would be a mile thick by now. | Jan 15 18:59 |
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| moogstrap | twitter: ta | Jan 15 18:59 |
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| tessier_ | And if Windows got easier to use every time they said it did it would give you a blow and then light your cigarette for you. | Jan 15 18:59 |
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| tessier_ | "Windows 7 is also catering to admins with its tough little PowerShell utliity--a souped-up version of the command line that now allows administrators to remotely mess with machines via a powerful console-based scripting environment." | Jan 15 19:00 |
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| _doug | I'm aware of 'Internet spin doctors', I read o job offer for a similar job here | Jan 15 19:00 |
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| tessier_ | And that's another thing. Windows admins going for command line? After so many years of anti-command line marketing? | Jan 15 19:00 |
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| moogstrap | comrades will now have a bigger ration of chocolate! | Jan 15 19:00 |
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| _doug | Get paid to hang about a forum and keep the chat ontopic ... | Jan 15 19:00 |
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| twitter | Yeah, but China's supposedly got em by the tens of thousands. Who knows, you could be one of them. | Jan 15 19:00 |
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| _doug | yea: PowerShell, back to the future .. | Jan 15 19:00 |
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| twitter | Those who don't know Unix are doomed to re-implement it poorly. | Jan 15 19:01 |
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| _doug | In schools, it would do the students a whole lot better that all the 'click here' turorials, to learn the ONE scripting language ... | Jan 15 19:01 |
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| twitter | Given China's extensive espionage efforts, it would be in their best interests to promote broken and insecure crap like Windows. | Jan 15 19:02 |
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| _doug | InterSpinDoctors: 'They have been dubbed the "50-cent party" because of how much they are reputed to be paid for each positive posting' | Jan 15 19:02 |
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| _doug | Roy, I guess we have a few here :) | Jan 15 19:03 |
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| twitter | We can also be sure they rent out their workers. | Jan 15 19:03 |
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| twitter | Imagine how much money you could make at 50 cents per line of IRC posting. Ha ha. | Jan 15 19:03 |
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| _doug | what's the going rate on Usenet or blog spam ? | Jan 15 19:04 |
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| moogstrap | twitter: that would encourage crapflooders... oh wait | Jan 15 19:05 |
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| _doug | http://merd.sourceforge.net/pixel/lang... | Jan 15 19:05 |
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| twitter | " Internet commentators have now become widespread, according to experts. Some estimate that there are now tens of thousands of them. There are also reports that special centres have been set up to train China's new army of internet spin doctors." | Jan 15 19:06 |
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| twitter | RMS wonder if China got the idea from Bush of Vice Versa. M$ is the innovator here, starting with crude efforts like "Steve Barkto" | Jan 15 19:07 |
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| _doug | BBC BASIC was good for learning scripting, had procs and stuff, no need of line numbers or GoToS .. :) | Jan 15 19:08 |
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| _doug | http://lists.essential.org/1... | Jan 15 19:09 |
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| _doug | I have to go, they stopped paying me an hour ago ... :) | Jan 15 19:10 |
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| moogstrap | tah! | Jan 15 19:10 |
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| tessier_ | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-v... A pro-Bush article in a UK newspaper? WTF? And it says "There are 3,000 people who would have died in the August 2005 airline conspiracy if it had not been for the superb inter-agency co-operation demanded by Bush after 9/11." What 2005 airline conspiracy?! | Jan 15 19:11 |
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| moogstrap | hahahha | Jan 15 19:12 |
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| moogstrap | The Power of Nightmares should be required viewing for everybody | Jan 15 19:12 |
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| moogstrap | I don't think anybody in the UK has any respect for him. I don't think anyone ever has | Jan 15 19:14 |
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| tessier_ | The author of that article seems to. | Jan 15 19:15 |
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| moogstrap | but then, watching the news when Tony Blair stepped down was enlightening, too. They were all gushing and saying how terrible it was, and how he'd be missed etc etc, neatly side-stepping that he stepped down because he was hated. By everybody | Jan 15 19:15 |
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| moogstrap | yeah | Jan 15 19:16 |
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| moogstrap | http://www.economist.com/business/di... it didn't take long for market economics to swallow "open source" as a business model. | Jan 15 19:28 |
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| trmanco | Every child in Portugal and Venezuela will have open source: http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,10000... | Jan 15 19:46 |
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| moogstrap | hrmm. maybe msft will fund another coup to get rid of Chavez | Jan 15 19:51 |
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| trmanco | maybe | Jan 15 19:55 |
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| moogstrap | time to go. tah | Jan 15 20:09 |
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| amd-linux | MS finally took over Digg? or are there really still so many MS fans in the US? | Jan 15 20:10 |
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| amd-linux | see http://digg.com/security/Worm_infec... | Jan 15 20:10 |
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| amd-linux | look the comments and the diggs | Jan 15 20:10 |
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| MinceR | well, apparently not only apple fanboys have swarmed digg | Jan 15 20:11 |
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| amd-linux | well, on the other site, the Microsoft section is their home turf :-) | Jan 15 20:15 |
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| amd-linux | on the other hand, it is new to me that MS users are so present.... | Jan 15 20:16 |
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| amd-linux | there are some MSCE here in German boards of course but they are a re clear minority | Jan 15 20:16 |
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| amd-linux | but since the marketing release of Vista SP1 aka win7 they make a lot of noise | Jan 15 20:18 |
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| MinceR | that's because they can see the end coming | Jan 15 20:20 |
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| MinceR | they try to lie to themselves about it, of course | Jan 15 20:20 |
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| MinceR | but deep inside they know that m$ is doomed | Jan 15 20:20 |
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| amd-linux | well, if they would get rid of ballmer and start to run MS like a business instead of a second Chruch of Scientology | Jan 15 20:22 |
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| amd-linux | then they would be able to turn it around.... | Jan 15 20:22 |
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| amd-linux | but they painted themselves quite into the corner | Jan 15 20:22 |
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| amd-linux | by ridiculing FOSS. Open is the future, they know it but can not admit it.... | Jan 15 20:23 |
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| amd-linux | as long as Gates and Ballmer are around. | Jan 15 20:23 |
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| MinceR | turning m$ around costs too much | Jan 15 20:23 |
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| amd-linux | and they treat the company like their personal private army, unable to admit that they are wrong | Jan 15 20:24 |
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| MinceR | also, probably the closer they are to the top of m$, the more deluded they are | Jan 15 20:24 |
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| amd-linux | well would be easy.... adopt Linux as the core of the OS, build the Windows GUI around it and there you go | Jan 15 20:24 |
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| amd-linux | not that I want to see this happen.... | Jan 15 20:25 |
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| amd-linux | but they would have a secure, top notch OS core and their users the "familiar" GUI without the BSOD :-) | Jan 15 20:25 |
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| amd-linux | but Ballmer will rather bite his own d*** before he admits that FOSS and people like Stallman are actually right | Jan 15 20:26 |
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| amd-linux | he is a fanatic - unfortunately on the wrong side | Jan 15 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | I've just been hearing that the Qt news is bad news | Jan 15 21:02 |
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| MinceR | why? | Jan 15 21:03 |
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| tessier_ | Yeah, why? | Jan 15 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | Astroturfing is against the law in Europe now. One could probably sue many American companies here. | Jan 15 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | Digg is a mess | Jan 15 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | I hardly comment in ther anymore | Jan 15 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | it has pro-MS stalkers | Jan 15 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | And mod bombers | Jan 15 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | Not only SteveB attack FOSS | Jan 15 21:08 |
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| tessier_ | I prefer news.ycombinator.com these days anyway | Jan 15 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | They are all a bunch of zealots (yes, hypocrites too) up at the top... just watch them correspond. | Jan 15 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | Grey even called Linux a "cult" in correspondence b/w them. Does Remond have no mirrors? | Jan 15 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: re qt, I promised to keep it private | Jan 15 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | Here's a gem I got: "Steven Vaughan Nichols recently published a blog on SCO with "Garbage" in the title. The comments attracted some SCO or Microsoft troll, who made five or more postings, all repeating a line about the "PR" campaign of Groklaw, and how Pamela Jones and her son had commercial interests in promoting FOSS, and how that plus IBM backing was why they had run this anti-SCO web site. " | Jan 15 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | "[...] You'd think from reading those posts that there was a huge controversy about who PJ was and what her motives were for doing it. These people will stop at nothing. " | Jan 15 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | brb | Jan 15 21:12 |
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| kevin_ | seen this story yet? http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/sto... | Jan 15 21:14 |
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| tessier_ | ***THURSDAY MORNING UPDATE*** | Jan 15 21:19 |
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| tessier_ | Tens of thousands of people have read and commented on this story, making it one of the most-read stories in the history of WKOWTV.COM. 27 News reporter Dan Cassuto will file an update on 27 News at 5:00 on Thursday. We'll review viewer comments, explain why this story is making some viewers so angry, and explore how quickly it's spreading around the internet. | Jan 15 21:19 |
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| tessier_ | hahaah | Jan 15 21:19 |
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| tessier_ | That was on /. this morning | Jan 15 21:19 |
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| tessier_ | Poor WKOWTV never saw it coming. | Jan 15 21:19 |
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| tessier_ | I bet they are all or mostly pro-Linux | Jan 15 21:19 |
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| tessier_ | This is great for Linux. Mainstream exposure on the nightly news. | Jan 15 21:19 |
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| tessier_ | Not sure why Dell tried to convince her to go with it though. That was a bad move on Dell's part. | Jan 15 21:20 |
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| tessier_ | They should have just returned it. | Jan 15 21:20 |
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| tessier_ | But dropping out of school because of a laptop issue? That's just retarded. | Jan 15 21:21 |
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| MinceR | that woman is obviously an extreme idiot. | Jan 15 21:21 |
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| MinceR | as such, it would be a waste to have her go to college anyway. | Jan 15 21:22 |
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| kevin_ | tell me about it. i dropped out because they were wasting my time. e.g. an internship where i wasted 70 hours | Jan 15 21:23 |
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| kevin_ | anyway... i think it's unfair how they're painting ubuntu | Jan 15 21:23 |
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| tessier_ | Wow, tons of people came out to support Ubuntu in the comments. | Jan 15 21:24 |
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| kevin_ | i'm sure if she really wanted windows, she could have asked dell for a replacement within the 30 or whatever day period | Jan 15 21:25 |
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| MinceR | they should charge extra for winblows anyway | Jan 15 21:25 |
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| kevin_ | i experienced that whole ISP thing first hand though. I had to boot into windows to configure it which is a load of crap | Jan 15 21:26 |
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| MinceR | according to the /. people that cd is actually unnecessary | Jan 15 21:27 |
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| kevin_ | yeah apparenrly you can log into the router and bypass the friendly UI to configure it by hand | Jan 15 21:27 |
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| MinceR | as for "word", she probably wouldn't use many of the functionality anyway so AbiWord should be fine. | Jan 15 21:28 |
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| MinceR | or OOo | Jan 15 21:29 |
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| kevin_ | it's that whole brand recognition thing though. They don't ask you if you know spreadsheets, they ask if you know excel. Average people then think the only way to do work is with excel | Jan 15 21:30 |
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| MinceR | the worst part is that after playing around with windows and word, they believe they know everything | Jan 15 21:31 |
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| MinceR | and they don't ask, only complain | Jan 15 21:31 |
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| kevin_ | they know everything... until a new version comes out with a new UI :) | Jan 15 21:32 |
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| MinceR | :) | Jan 15 21:32 |
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| kevin_ | i remember thinking i knew everything about windows 95 | Jan 15 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | kevin_: they also think that anything "Like Excel" is just a 'copy' of it | Jan 15 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | Excel... yeah... like Microsoft invested spreadsh*ts | Jan 15 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | invented | Jan 15 21:33 |
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| MinceR | even m$ believes they invented everything | Jan 15 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | Kool_aid | Jan 15 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | Their employees say "Steal" | Jan 15 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | They think that GUI/window interfaces are copying of Windows | Jan 15 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | Prevalence makes prior art? | Jan 15 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | Marketing does | Jan 15 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | And they use their army of spinners to pass on these lies | Jan 15 21:35 |
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| tessier_ | The comment system on that website is horrible. | Jan 15 21:35 |
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| kevin_ | i saw a mac with a 9 inch b&w screen using a gui from like 1983 | Jan 15 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | So this means that they can pass on such lies by 'infecting' non-spinners | Jan 15 21:35 |
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| MinceR | then more privately they acknowledge that both m$ and apple brutally ripped off xerox | Jan 15 21:35 |
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| MinceR | have you seen Pirates of the Silicon Valley? | Jan 15 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | "Hey, Steve, just because you broke into Xerox’s store before I did and took the TV doesn’t mean I can’t go in later and steal the stereo." --Bill Gates, Microsoft | Jan 15 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | One "pirate" is out.. another one joins him.. | Jan 15 21:37 |
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| MinceR | they also both quote "good artists copy, great artists steal" -- at least in the movie. | Jan 15 21:37 |
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| MinceR | :) | Jan 15 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | mail: "I guess you all saw where Jobs is stepping down. He's almost certainly been lying about his health. I know many of you have doubts about him and what Apple has done, but I hate to see one of Microsoft's biggest thorns and humiliations go away. All I can say is, I'm sure they're partying in Redmond. " | Jan 15 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | Steve Ballmer: "I'm going to f* bury that guy" | Jan 15 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | But he said that about Schmidt, not Jobs | Jan 15 21:38 |
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| kevin_ | they should release an updated version of the movie with one of those "you wouldn't steal a car would you?" ads at the start :) | Jan 15 21:38 |
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| MinceR | lol | Jan 15 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | It's like an ugly version of American Psycho | Jan 15 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | Awww... that's nice.... the bonus of lock-in.. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01... | Jan 15 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | Do No Ev$$$^H^H^H^H^H^HvEOL | Jan 15 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | Wall Street Journal: bad news for Microsoft, exploring layoffs http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1231... | Jan 15 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | Fudzllla vs WSJ | Jan 15 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | "Microsoft Corp. is seriously exploring significant work force reductions that could be announced as early as next week, in a sign that the weak economy is prompting tough decisions even at one of the steadiest ships in the technology industry." | Jan 15 21:49 |
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| trmanco | I'm hearing an old podcast of yours | Jan 15 22:09 |
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| seller_liar | trmanco: a interesting video | Jan 15 22:12 |
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| seller_liar | trmanco: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhCKwzE... | Jan 15 22:12 |
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| *schestowitz looks | Jan 15 22:13 |
| schestowitz | I don't understand why BN CSS is acting up | Jan 15 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | browsershots shows this to be a universal thing. | Jan 15 22:14 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: the site gets white? | Jan 15 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Jan 15 22:14 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: probably can be traffic | Jan 15 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | It doesn't load up images from the sttylesheet | Jan 15 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | Could be, but it's not peaking. | Jan 15 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | I saw this earlier and it 'repaired' itself | Jan 15 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | Which indicated that it's not a consistent behaviour. So I guess the server might not serve pages properly | Jan 15 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | In which case debugging might be a waste of time. | Jan 15 22:15 |
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| trmanco | nice | Jan 15 22:16 |
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| seller_liar | trmanco: It's quite old , but look at end.Intel have problems too | Jan 15 22:16 |
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| trmanco | yeah, I saw that too | Jan 15 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | Ballard keeps repeating: "Actually, in 1984, Bill Gates told a reporter, Byte magazine I think, that his aim was to control the world. He outlined how he would not only control the operating system, but also all of the applications, and the network, giving him total control of all information stored or passed between PCs." | Jan 15 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | " This information could be used, through leaks and passing to the right people, to allow Gates to pick the world's leaders." | Jan 15 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | He said this many time and I think I heard it elsewhere to to corroborate. | Jan 15 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | He just ought to find hard proof and exact quote. That would be grand. | Jan 15 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | "I think you would be hard pressed to prove that it was Bill Gates who personally ordered the tapping and leaks of information on the computers of Governors, Presidents, Senators, Congressmen, prosecutors, and even leaders in other countries. But so many leaks from people's PCs would indicate that SOMEBODY had figured out how to make Bill's fantasy a reality." | Jan 15 22:18 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: probably bill alrady know details about obama and mccain campaign | Jan 15 22:20 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: probably microsoft blacklists and tracks all politicans | Jan 15 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | They invested heavily in him, but it's not likely to be related | Jan 15 22:21 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: what cj is doing here? | Jan 15 22:21 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: link? | Jan 15 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe the host capped us | Jan 15 22:22 |
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| MinceR | sounds like gates is the second l. ron hubbard | Jan 15 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | After all the server load could images be disabled or something capped? I don't know... | Jan 15 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmm.. this layout thing is annoying. People can still read the text, but how long will this last for? | Jan 15 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | I wonder if it's related to the new Wiki installation somehow (unlikely) | Jan 15 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | WTF... | Jan 15 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boycottnovell.com/wp-content/themes/o... | Jan 15 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it's the subsite thing. | Jan 15 22:27 |
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| MinceR | dns seems dead | Jan 15 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | Oh f* | Jan 15 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | It's the triple W?? | Jan 15 22:29 |
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| MinceR | yes | Jan 15 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | Dead for www. | Jan 15 22:29 |
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| MinceR | boycottnovell.com works | Jan 15 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | Why? | Jan 15 22:29 |
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| MinceR | well, not the website | Jan 15 22:30 |
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| MinceR | mincer@stormwind(pts/6) % host boycottnovell.com | Jan 15 22:30 |
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| MinceR | boycottnovell.com has address 72.29.75.151 | Jan 15 22:30 |
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| MinceR | boycottnovell.com mail is handled by 0 boycottnovell.com. | Jan 15 22:30 |
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| MinceR | mincer@stormwind(pts/6) % host www.boycottnovell.com | Jan 15 22:30 |
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| MinceR | Host www.boycottnovell.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) | Jan 15 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Werid | Jan 15 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | Weird | Jan 15 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | I'll make backup and try stuff | Jan 15 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | Could it be the case that the host needed to get new DNS entries because I created a subsite? | Jan 15 22:34 |
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| MinceR | gn | Jan 15 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | This works: http://test.boycottnovell.com/ | Jan 15 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | I don't get it | Jan 15 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | Is a subsite starting with a "W" (wiki) forbidden? | Jan 15 22:46 |
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| MinceR | Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he'll say "WHERE'S MY FISH, YOU IDIOT?" | Jan 15 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | India dumps 'donations' in India... Intel Capital Targeting India, Other Emerging Markets < http://www.pcworld.com/article/157733/intel_ca... > | Jan 15 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | ARCHOS and Windows?!?!!? ARCHOS Enters Mobile Computing With Its Mini Laptop < http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28657505/ > | Jan 15 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | Open source lessons in the Nortel bankruptcy "Huawei is continuing to move ahead wherever open source lets it, developing an Android phone for instance. It is even sneaking up on Cisco. Patents and corporate relationships are no longer enough in the telecom equipment space. For American companies to stage a comeback they will need high quality, low prices, and new customers here in the U.S." | Jan 15 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | From http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-... | Jan 15 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft sharpens axe as PC sales drop? < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/15/mic... > | Jan 15 23:46 |
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| tessier_ | We've been hearing about this axe for weeks. | Jan 15 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | It seems like creating the subsite "wiki" blew things up for www.boycottnovell.com and it never works for wiki.boyocttnovell.com | Jan 15 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | Trying this with temp.boycottnovell.com or community.boycottnovell.com worked fine | Jan 15 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | Did I touch some special/exception case with "wiki" as subdomain"? | Jan 15 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: yes, we've been hearing about it for a long time _with_ today listed as the Big Day | Jan 15 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | And now they let WSJ publish an article about it... like an advance warning about an announcement. So the rumours were probably true. | Jan 15 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: maybe you'll know.. I tried adding a subdomain to BN and I don't know why but www.boycottnovell.com does not resolve anymore (via DNS). boycottnovell.com works fine. I don't know how to contact the host, but I have cpanel. | Jan 15 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | More MAFIAA moves to control the Internet: UK.gov prepares for filesharing fracas < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/15/b... > | Jan 15 23:52 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: Do you have an A record for www ? | Jan 15 23:55 |
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| *tessier_ is very familiar with DNS | Jan 15 23:55 |
| schestowitz | what's that? | Jan 15 23:55 |
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| tessier_ | An entry for www in DNS | Jan 15 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | There used to be one | Jan 15 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | But how do I access it? | Jan 15 23:55 |
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| tessier_ | I'm not that familiar with cpanel. I do dns with bind and zone files. | Jan 15 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | It seems to have stopped working when I created (Without success) a subsite "wiki" | Jan 15 23:56 |
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| tessier_ | wiki and www are both hostnames in the boycottnovell.com domain. | Jan 15 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | If only I knew why it stopped working... I thought it was the "W" in wiki | Jan 15 23:56 |
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| tessier_ | boycottnovell.com itself usually has an A record pointing to the same place as www | Jan 15 23:56 |
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| tessier_ | The w in wiki should not matter or interfere with the www | Jan 15 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | Here's an example. | Jan 15 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boycottnovell.com/2008/10/05/... | Jan 15 23:59 |
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