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01.18.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 17th, 2009

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:00 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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*tessier_ likes USB flash drives too Jan 17 00:00
tessier_ oh…actually, I like external USB hard drives. I use them for backup. I never use USB flash drives. Everywhere I go has a net connection so I can always get my data. Jan 17 00:01
schestowitz Two monitors = 44 percent increase in productivity < http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/115846 > Jan 17 00:01
moogstrap I don’t see much future in the licensing users… I wonder if this worm rage will incite calls to for us to embrace TC Jan 17 00:01
schestowitz I guess that’s why I’m efficient. :-) Been doing dual since I was a teen Jan 17 00:02
schestowitz moogstrap: that’s what worries me Jan 17 00:02
schestowitz The infowars crazies used Lessig to talk about a i9/11 Jan 17 00:02
schestowitz As in , a major disaster blown out of proportion to call for radical measures and laws like TC-related requirements (MASHALL) Jan 17 00:03
schestowitz *MARSHAL Jan 17 00:03
moogstrap time for the phonecall! evening Jan 17 00:03
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schestowitz IT Salary 2009: Survey Says Modest Declines < http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/article.p… > Jan 17 00:04
MinceR gn Jan 17 00:08
schestowitz Neat! http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/f… Jan 17 00:13
schestowitz http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsof… Jan 17 00:15
schestowitz Why are so many people linking to http://www.computerworld.com.au/ind… ? It’s a GoogleNews Burp… it’s from 2007!! Jan 17 00:23
tessier_ TC isn’t bad except that different people have different ideas of who it is that should be trusted Jan 17 00:24
schestowitz Why Open Source is Eclipsing Everything Else < http://www.computerworlduk.com/commu… > Jan 17 00:24
tessier_ It’s my computer so I think I should be trusted. MS and media companies think it’s their computer and they should be trusted (and not me). Jan 17 00:24
schestowitz Microsoft wanted to use that as lockin Jan 17 00:24
tessier_ Yep Jan 17 00:24
schestowitz I still need to dig up and organise the antitrust stuff Jan 17 00:24
tessier_ We have a machine in the front office with a black background. WGA strikes again. Jan 17 00:24
schestowitz It was the same with Office rendering on the Web, ActiveX, XAML.. Jan 17 00:25
schestowitz “we have to innovate above standards…” Jan 17 00:25
schestowitz WGA still strikes? Wow, I really haven’t keep track of things. Jan 17 00:25
schestowitz To me, Windows is just screenshots or videos Jan 17 00:26
tessier_ Same here. But sometimes I see other people using it. Jan 17 00:26
schestowitz That hardly happens to me anymore Jan 17 00:26
schestowitz I started doing everything from my apartment. Jan 17 00:27
twitter trickle, trickle.  http://online.wsj.com/article… Jan 17 00:31
schestowitz You’re supposed to be distracted by other MS news. Jan 17 00:31
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schestowitz MJF spins both layoffs *and* actions against Microsoft’s crimes: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1819 http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1819 Jan 17 00:34
schestowitz I reckon she’s nervous. ZDNet too seems to be on the verge of big layoffs or bankruptcy and she already has a new site of her own, but it won’t give her a wage like eWeek (Ziff|Gates – MSWatch) or CNET|ZD Jan 17 00:35
schestowitz Richard Rasker: “Poor Microsoft … being harrassed all the time, when all they want to do is make a few bucks … http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28698674/ Jan 17 00:38
schestowitz Some new people have begun helping with the hidden wiki…. it’s still a mess at this early stage… http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.ph… Jan 17 00:49
twitter look another spyglass story.  As M$ raped the company that created IE, it looks like they are raping the company that make their Live Communications.   http://www.pcworld.com/article/15788… Jan 17 01:38
schestowitz Yes, seen it Jan 17 01:38
schestowitz moog* raised it Jan 17 01:38
schestowitz Predictable.. coming from a company of dumpster divers Jan 17 01:39
twitter cool, I’m a little behind the news right now.  so much spews out on friday night. Jan 17 01:39
schestowitz Yes, I wonder what I missed Jan 17 01:40
schestowitz I’m well behind. Jan 17 01:40
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twitter how do you create wiki users? Jan 17 01:47
twitter Hmmm, no surprise here…. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f… Jan 17 01:48
schestowitz Can you not create an account. It should definitely be possible. Jan 17 01:48
*schestowitz looks Jan 17 01:48
schestowitz The company she left fired 750 (announced last night) Jan 17 01:49
twitter ah ha, I misread this, ” Bartz told employees that her gut instinct was not to sell the company’s search business to Microsoft, according to a news report.” Jan 17 01:49
schestowitz Yes, I know. Jan 17 01:49
schestowitz She comes from a monopolist of sorts.. Jan 17 01:50
twitter Autodesk, big patent abuser and M$ friend. Jan 17 01:50
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twitter Almost completely routed around by 3D drafting companies. Jan 17 01:51
twitter $19 million salary and 5 million stock options.  How do they justify that kind of extravagance? Jan 17 01:52
schestowitz I’ve no idea Jan 17 01:54
twitter There are a couple to stories about meeting between M$ and Yahoo. Jan 17 01:55
twitter http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/techn…     http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/17/technology/… Jan 17 01:55
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cj hmm? Jan 17 02:26
cj schestowitz: I was not insulting you.  *sigh* Jan 17 02:26
cj schestowitz: I just said it reminded me of you.  If you took it as an insult, I don’t know what I can do about that. Jan 17 02:26
cj but I wish you wouldn’t assume the worst all the time Jan 17 02:27
schestowitz Sorry, me bad :-S Jan 17 02:27
schestowitz *my Jan 17 02:27
schestowitz http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u-3ZB_-… second part is interesting re: Pentagon Jan 17 02:59
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schestowitz American has just intellectually invaded Peru””Uncanny, but I was just talking about Peru and Free Software last week and the week before for the first time in a very long while (years I think)  Now I see this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7834820.stm ..” Jan 17 09:02
schestowitz Mail: “If it’s like the other “free trade” pacts, it has sw patents as a rider. I’m not sure were to look.  If it is the case, then it is the Bush junta doing what they can to cause damage on the way out.” Jan 17 09:02
schestowitz http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=02zpX… Jan 17 09:25
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/1… “Ballmer has even gone on record as saying Microsoft’s secret is its “tenacity, persistence, patience”. While Microsoft is rarely the first to market, it can always leverage its size when battling market incumbents.” Jan 17 09:45
schestowitz Little Trees Air Freshener Company Ads Warn People Not To Mess With Its Trademark < http://techdirt.com/articles/2009010… > with picture….. Jan 17 09:48
schestowitz Government funds new propaganda channels: Government rescues New England newspapers < http://www.foxnews.com/video-sear… > Jan 17 09:50
schestowitz I they die, let them lie. The strong survive, untrustible media will die out… Jan 17 09:50
schestowitz So citizens are now funding the same brainwash they are subjected to — through bailouts. Jan 17 09:51
schestowitz I’ve got lots of Gartner dirt. Good. I’ll chain them with older posts too. Jan 17 10:14
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schestowitz http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/survey/surve… Jan 17 11:09
schestowitz Is 2009 the year of acquisitions by Chinese and Indian IT vendors? < http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresourc… > Jan 17 11:28
schestowitz This has just shown up in feeds: http://whitepapers.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?doci… Microsoft-sponsored anti-Novell Jan 17 11:47
schestowitz http://www.edmondlifeandleisure.com/default… “an executive at Sun Microsystems, which at that time was called Novell.” ?????????? Jan 17 11:51
ushimitsudoki That article is just a mistake. Schimidt worked at Sun and then Novell. Probably the columnist just confused it up Jan 17 12:03
ushimitsudoki How can you even manage that small text, non spaced reading anyway? Jan 17 12:03
ushimitsudoki hurts my eyes to look at it Jan 17 12:03
schestowitz Yeah.. I’ll use that to joke anyway. Jan 17 12:06
schestowitz Novell has just hired greyhats Jan 17 12:06
schestowitz ushimitsudoki: I’ll do a quick post about it. Jan 17 12:28
ushimitsudoki alright i’ll give it a read if i’m about Jan 17 12:28
schestowitz Here it is: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/17/su… :-) Jan 17 12:38
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ushimitsudoki link to O’Gara calling Bartz a bitch? Jan 17 12:39
schestowitz No :-) Jan 17 12:41
schestowitz That would feed her… Jan 17 12:41
ushimitsudoki I wouldn’t put something like that in without a source Jan 17 12:46
ushimitsudoki ref=nofollow if you dont want to give google juice Jan 17 12:46
schestowitz OK Jan 17 12:46
schestowitz Let me find it Jan 17 12:46
schestowitz http://au.sys-con.com/node/808918 Jan 17 12:47
schestowitz I really don’t want to feed her. It’s a malicious spy. Jan 17 12:47
schestowitz “Oh, by the way, Bartz is getting a base salary of a million dollars and a total compensation package this year of roughly $19 million to save Yahoo from itself. Expectations are she’ll earn every dime she gets.” Jan 17 12:48
schestowitz Read b/w the lines… it’s vindicative. Jan 17 12:48
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/17/softwa… Jan 17 13:08
MinceR j0 Jan 17 13:11
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schestowitz Can anyone else confirm that www.boycottnovell.com is now resolving once again? Jan 17 15:21
schestowitz Shane gets to it. I can’t (yet) Jan 17 15:21
schestowitz Works from here: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http… Jan 17 15:24
MinceR www.boycottnovell.com has address 72.29.75.151 Jan 17 15:45
MinceR the website works on that address Jan 17 15:45
schestowitz Cool! Jan 17 15:47
schestowitz Shane needed access to stuff I can’t access. Jan 17 15:47
trmanco schestowitz, works like a charm Jan 17 15:53
schestowitz Cool. Jan 17 15:53
trmanco what was the problem? Jan 17 15:53
schestowitz *sigh* Skype sucks on this network Jan 17 15:53
schestowitz Certain routes work well. Others are too laggy Jan 17 15:54
schestowitz trmanco: I don’t know, but Shane changed package/server, so…. Jan 17 15:54
trmanco hmm ok Jan 17 15:54
schestowitz That’s what he said anyway. He upgraded after Slashdot took us down. Jan 17 15:54
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twitter BN works here Jan 17 15:58
schestowitz I’ve just posted part 1 on anal-ysts Jan 17 15:59
twitter Resolves to 72.29.75.151 using BIND 9 Jan 17 15:59
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/17/mic… Jan 17 15:59
schestowitz The best will come in parts 2 and 3. ;-) Jan 17 15:59
twitter Cox resolves it to 72.29.75.151 too. Jan 17 16:00
twitter going to read BN now. Jan 17 16:00
schestowitz Apple CEO Steve Jobs considering a liver transplant? < http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/… > Jan 17 16:02
schestowitz Another Californian, Arnie McBain, did a transplant too, no? Those steroids burned his body. Jan 17 16:03
schestowitz Crisis in the Heartland: Consequences of the New Wall Street System http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php… Jan 17 16:06
twitter Arnold has had quadruple bypass on his heart.  I do not know about other transplants.  If Jobs can’t get a transplant to fix himself, no one can. Jan 17 16:10
schestowitz One in five Guantanamo Bay detainees is on hunger strike http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_a… Jan 17 16:10
schestowitz RMS does no favour to FS PR by encouraging legalisation of pot. Jan 17 16:10
schestowitz He does this again. Although it’s claimed to have been banned for class-related issues (deprivation of the poor), this line he’s preaching for looks bad to outsiders. Jan 17 16:11
schestowitz He also netted this: No Charge: In Civil-Contempt Cases, Jail Time Can Stretch On for Years < http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB12313726… > Jan 17 16:12
neighborlee schestowitz, I can vouch that its anything but a good thing at least on a consistent basis..I know many friends that use it and overall addicted to it, and what id call paranoid personality types as a result of its use,,there are studies showing that, not to mention the drain it is on ones finances. I see no redeeming quality in it other than medicinal use. Jan 17 16:16
schestowitz Yes, I know. I never did drugs though. I happen to have read some background on this. Jan 17 16:16
neighborlee schestowitz, ive used it in the past, very very infrequently but I never bought any,,if friends had it I would have joined in but I certainly never became addicted to it as my usage was extremely minimal as a result of it being a social thing. Jan 17 16:17
schestowitz I still wonder why microwaves are only banned in Sweden, AFAIK. Jan 17 16:17
neighborlee hmmm had no idea about that one. Jan 17 16:17
schestowitz Fast food culture… plasma TVs might soon be banned in the EU Jan 17 16:17
twitter RMS is under no such PR burdens.  His thoughts are his own.  If you think he’s wrong about legalizing pot, tell him why but don’t tell him that the truth makes other people look bad. Jan 17 16:17
schestowitz Alcohol is addictive too and so are cigarettes. Jan 17 16:17
neighborlee at least alcohol does have redeeming value in that its healthy in small amounts Jan 17 16:18
schestowitz twitter: some people use these statements against him Jan 17 16:18
neighborlee but yeah , I dont think we have enough safety nets in place to protect innocent people from drunks Jan 17 16:18
twitter What does that have to do with free software? Jan 17 16:18
schestowitz I’ve seen people attacking his movement saying that he endorses pedophelia or something… Jan 17 16:18
neighborlee so you can say, some suffer so that others ‘rights’ aren’t stampled on..cheers for society :) Jan 17 16:19
twitter People say stupid things about him.  They do the same for you too. Jan 17 16:19
schestowitz I know Jan 17 16:19
schestowitz Slime Jan 17 16:19
schestowitz Out of context statments. Jan 17 16:19
schestowitz *te Jan 17 16:19
neighborlee however , yes I tend to agree, those in positions of some authority have a deeper responsibility to society, and for what they say as it tends to have more impact. Jan 17 16:20
schestowitz IIRC, it was about some remark on consent in Holland or something Jan 17 16:20
schestowitz Some people fished it without context and posted libel in Digg Jan 17 16:20
twitter RMS says things against run away prudes and denounces the American Taliban as much as he does the Afgan Talaban. Jan 17 16:20
schestowitz neighborlee: they mostly have responsibility for their bills. Jan 17 16:21
neighborlee well that too Jan 17 16:21
schestowitz He fights the whole (mis)education  system Jan 17 16:21
schestowitz People are taught to attack people like him ‘by peer’ Jan 17 16:22
twitter We are taught to censor ourselves instead of thinking things through from first principles. Jan 17 16:23
twitter I don’t like pot because it lingers too long and is a form of smoking that will be marketed to children.  People fall under the influence for days but are not aware of it. Jan 17 16:23
twitter US laws are disproportionate to that harm and RMS has pointed out some very real economic costs of this as well as moral contradictions. Jan 17 16:24
schestowitz “In fact, that’s true throughout the Cold War, but very explicit then, and Eisenhower did discuss it with his staff, said there is a campaign of hatred against us — not on the part of governments but on the part of the people, and we wanna know why that’s true. “ Jan 17 16:25
*schestowitz searches for something Jan 17 16:25
schestowitz Goes along the lines of “it’s difficult to counter the perception that the US (and UK) is robbing other people because it’s true”. That was said by the United States government many years go (not exact quote) Jan 17 16:27
twitter Here’s a recently documented smear job by the tobacco industry.  http://www.prwatch.org/node/8130 Jan 17 16:28
twitter Unfortunately, I can’t read the source article. Jan 17 16:28
schestowitz PRWatch is not very active Jan 17 16:29
schestowitz I bet it used to do more research which is valuable (I subscribed to it months ago) Jan 17 16:29
schestowitz It studies Microsoft pressure groups (shills) like ACT and published some informative pages that I used. Jan 17 16:30
twitter Here’s what the smear was designed to cover up  http://www.prwatch.org/node/8115 Jan 17 16:31
twitter That’s good and valuable research, even if it does just trickle in. Jan 17 16:31
schestowitz MOG’s trash press: latest headline… “Red Hat Raids Intel” Jan 17 16:40
schestowitz DRM- Vista-like model for apps: http://www.trendcaller.com/2009/01/time-for… Bad idea….. not even application store… Jan 17 17:04
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schestowitz Secure deletion: a single overwrite will do it < http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/Secure-d… > Jan 17 17:16
MinceR or so they want you to believe Jan 17 17:17
schestowitz That’s what they claim Jan 17 17:17
schestowitz Gutmann’s papers became famous for this area. Jan 17 17:17
schestowitz Groklaw resumes! :-) Jan 17 17:25
MinceR :) Jan 17 17:28
schestowitz http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?sto… “It’s great to have you back, but please don’t get caught up in this like you did with SCOX. Treat it like the hobby the original Groklaw was supposed to be. 30-60 minutes 3 times a week is plenty for a hobby. It’s not like you’re knitting in front of the telly.” Jan 17 17:28
schestowitz bl Jan 17 17:33
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_doug Three million hit by Windows worm .. Jan 17 17:44
_doug http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techno… Jan 17 17:44
_doug finally got the headline correct :) Jan 17 17:44
_doug yet more fastfud from zdnet .. Jan 17 17:52
_doug Craft Brewer Standardizes on Microsoft Technologies to Reap Integration Benefits Jan 17 17:52
_doug http://whitepapers.zdnet.com/abstract…. Jan 17 17:52
_doug “The company was using a Novell-based networking and e-mail system, which it found increasingly challenging to integrate with its business and IT applications from other vendors” Jan 17 17:53
_doug :) Jan 17 17:53
_doug The company names keep changing but the BS stays the same .. Jan 17 17:57
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trmanco http://valleywag.gawker.com/5132720/micro… Jan 17 18:09
PetoKraus i’m seriously thinking of quitting my job Jan 17 18:50
PetoKraus it’s getting literally ridiculous Jan 17 18:50
trmanco ? Jan 17 18:59
PetoKraus my boss is a fanny Jan 17 19:00
PetoKraus he doesn’t know a damn about linux Jan 17 19:01
PetoKraus and he makes a judgement Jan 17 19:01
PetoKraus why did he even bother trying to sell linux-based UMPC’s, when he actually discourages everyone from buying them? Jan 17 19:01
PetoKraus oh god, i wanna finally work in my field…. :/ Jan 17 19:02
trmanco :| Jan 17 19:09
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Tallken hi schestowitz Jan 17 19:46
Tallken greetings everyone :) Jan 17 19:46
PetoKraus hi Tallken Jan 17 19:47
Tallken hi PetoKraus Jan 17 19:47
schestowitz Hey Jan 17 20:12
Tallken schestowitz, Canonical is going to open Launchpad until July :D I know it’s a week old news, but felt great hearing -reading actually- them :) Jan 17 20:20
twitter ” 30-60 minutes 3 times a week is plenty for a hobby. It’s not like you’re knitting in front of the telly.” TV, the great cognitive sink hole of two lost generations. Jan 17 20:21
Tallken LOL? Jan 17 20:22
Tallken twitter, explain :p Jan 17 20:22
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schestowitz Mechanisation of people. Jan 17 20:23
twitter It Jan 17 20:23
twitter is not my thought http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl… Jan 17 20:23
twitter Everyone knows what a waste TV is.  You just suck up what’s offered and tune out.  Scans show that your brain literally thinks nothing is happening. Jan 17 20:24
twitter ”  As a society we have been burning 2,000 Wikipedias per year watching mostly sitcoms.” Jan 17 20:25
twitter knitting is OK. you get something out of it and can do it and talk to people at the same time. Jan 17 20:25
Tallken thx for the link  :) Jan 17 20:26
twitter no problem Jan 17 20:26
Tallken schestowitz, you did commented Launchpad’s release as free software? Jan 17 20:26
schestowitz Television is not the problem Jan 17 20:26
schestowitz The problem is what’s streamed onto it Jan 17 20:26
Tallken ignore the ‘did’ :p Jan 17 20:26
twitter No control broadcast WAS a problem. Jan 17 20:27
twitter It lowered people’s quality thresholds. Jan 17 20:27
schestowitz Tallken: yes, in links Jan 17 20:27
Tallken twitter, yeah, that’d be nice. Just shows about Microsoft :D Jan 17 20:28
schestowitz The strong survie Jan 17 20:28
schestowitz Strong in terms of content Jan 17 20:28
twitter The funny thing is that automated TV recording, like MythTV, will have more people watching healthy doses of TV. Jan 17 20:28
schestowitz Not strong in terms of money and authority Jan 17 20:28
Tallken people don’t have standards Jan 17 20:28
schestowitz This enables the ‘elites’ to tap even more minds.. like GE and NBC Jan 17 20:28
Tallken why do people tend to migrate to using Internet instead of watching TV? Jan 17 20:28
Tallken because TV sucks Jan 17 20:28
twitter They do, actually.  When given a choice they weed out what they like. Jan 17 20:28
schestowitz Telecoms help them ruins the Net Jan 17 20:29
schestowitz They don’t fiberise and they throttle too or censor.. Jan 17 20:29
twitter this is true, the internet gets around old media and it’s restrictions. Jan 17 20:29
Tallken yes, twitter . In Portugal I have the choice of 4 crappy different kinds of programming Jan 17 20:29
Tallken speaking of the broadcasted over the air channels Jan 17 20:30
twitter I don’t have cable so I have a choice of four stations too. Jan 17 20:30
twitter One of them is public TV and they often have something worthwhile.  With a reliable schedule, I’ve been recording a few of those shows. Jan 17 20:31
schestowitz twitter: many ideas can’t be expressed in these channels Jan 17 20:31
PetoKraus lol Jan 17 20:31
twitter My wife and I now watch about three hours of TV a week. Jan 17 20:31
PetoKraus i’ve got a page-hit from m$ft! Jan 17 20:31
schestowitz The advertisers and authority won’t accept it Jan 17 20:31
PetoKraus :D Jan 17 20:31
schestowitz PetoKraus: which page? Jan 17 20:32
PetoKraus 17th Jan 2009 – 17:12:42  GMT::65.55.37.180 Jan 17 20:32
twitter Oh sure, movies have their limits as a form of expression.  They work better on web pages. Jan 17 20:32
PetoKraus dunno Jan 17 20:32
PetoKraus i guess i should log that as well Jan 17 20:32
schestowitz PetoKraus: could be another out-of-control zombie ;-) Jan 17 20:32
PetoKraus :/ Jan 17 20:32
PetoKraus :D Jan 17 20:32
twitter I like that I’m recording and can share these interesting programs if I want. Jan 17 20:32
PetoKraus what’s inktomi corporation? Jan 17 20:32
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schestowitz Search Jan 17 20:33
schestowitz Mostly imags Jan 17 20:33
PetoKraus ah Jan 17 20:33
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schestowitz So you got a visit from Darth Jan 17 20:33
PetoKraus yeah Jan 17 20:33
PetoKraus i need to improve my logger :/ Jan 17 20:34
schestowitz Maybe Miguel Jan 17 20:34
schestowitz He works from the Vole sometimes Jan 17 20:34
PetoKraus that’s hard in doing your own CMS Jan 17 20:34
PetoKraus you always forget something :D Jan 17 20:34
PetoKraus is there something which searches in both arin and ripe? Jan 17 20:35
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schestowitz WTF? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_… Jan 17 20:37
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anivar schestowitz:  see Jan 17 20:38
anivar http://www.zyxware.com/articles/2009/01/16/openoff… Jan 17 20:38
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schestowitz “By Kerala IT Policy 2007, Clause 8.4, knowledge generated through public funding should be freely available to the public. So we would believe that the original excel file was already under a Free Software License. We hereby give all derived work under GPLv3. “ Jan 17 20:41
schestowitz Cool. Jan 17 20:41
schestowitz ‘Open Source Activism’ Surfaces In Tyler < http://www.tylerpaper.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article… > Jan 17 20:42
anivar That is a good hack Jan 17 20:43
anivar You covered the issue on 1st EDGI story Jan 17 20:43
schestowitz I finished EDGO Jan 17 20:44
schestowitz *GI Jan 17 20:44
schestowitz Almost Jan 17 20:44
schestowitz I now move on to Gartner/IDC, who produce Microsoft ammunition for EDGI Jan 17 20:45
schestowitz Then I’ll do some h/w dirty tricks and DRM (dirty tricks) Jan 17 20:45
schestowitz Will the Cloud Bubble Burst in 2009? < http://www.ebizq.net/blogs/connectedweb/… > Jan 17 20:45
anivar :-) Jan 17 20:46
twitter Cloud burst Jan 17 20:47
twitter all I see is vapors Jan 17 20:47
schestowitz I didn’t know Ericsson did Android.. Joined the Open Handset Alliance and developing new phone using Android Open Source software <  http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/a… > Jan 17 20:50
schestowitz Next to opensuse’s home.. Open Source Data Center Conference 29 -30 April 2009 < http://www.pressebox.de/pressemeldungen/net… > Nürnberg Jan 17 20:51
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schestowitz Hmmmmm… http://www.sdtimes.com/FROM_THE_EDITORS_MICRO… …… the editor who wrote this mailed me after I had criticised them. it’s good that they set things straight by quoting Kuhn, but what’s this latest thing about? Jan 17 20:55
schestowitz “The company also needs to get over its incredible hostility toward the GNU General Public License. That’s not to say that Microsoft needs to release any software using GPL. “ Jan 17 20:56
schestowitz “Microsoft is the only major software company that totally spurns the license and refuses to engage the Free Software Foundation or the Software Freedom Law Center to find a way to work with GPL-licensed code. Like it or not, GPL-based code is important to the software industry and to Microsoft’s customers.” Jan 17 20:56
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schestowitz This is funny: “That last point is the key. SD Times doesn’t care if Microsoft ever releases any of its software as open source. There’s nothing wrong with Microsoft’s closed-source business model, as its continuing profits, and popularity, with consumers and enterprise customers show.” Jan 17 20:57
amd-linux because Ballmer is not a suit but a fanatic drone – remote controlled by gates Jan 17 20:58
schestowitz Many people hate the products, but Microsoft forces them to use these… because of file formats, win32 compatibility etc. He also totally misses the point that interop is code word for “software patents” Jan 17 20:58
amd-linux and gates still thinks this ih HIS own little baby not the shareholders Jan 17 20:59
schestowitz amd-linux: it’s the “Bad Cop” of Gates. They use him to pretend that while the company commits crimes it’s only because of a rotten apple Jan 17 20:59
amd-linux well a company can not commit crime, only people – there are some greedy people inside MS Jan 17 21:00
amd-linux who do everything to make money Jan 17 21:00
schestowitz That’s an attitudinal issue Jan 17 21:01
amd-linux i commute everyday with ms employees so I am quite sure that not all of them are as bad as their bosses Jan 17 21:01
schestowitz Also, being a predator is not good for business. Jan 17 21:01
schestowitz The theory on this is clear and so is the history Jan 17 21:01
amd-linux and I know that more and more dont understand the fanatism of the upper managment against FOSS Jan 17 21:01
schestowitz When the corporations were conceived there was loud opposition from conservatives who called it “communism” and dennounced it Jan 17 21:02
schestowitz To treat companies like a human entity is insane Jan 17 21:02
schestowitz And here we are with a broken system that makes up ‘mending’ rules like antitrust Jan 17 21:02
schestowitz And companies are fooling the world with PR campaign while pillaging. Jan 17 21:02
twitter I will not cry when your commute buddies get fired. Jan 17 21:03
amd-linux well i am just using the same train so not really  buddies – actually i dont know them but i listen to their talks Jan 17 21:03
twitter it must be sickening Jan 17 21:04
schestowitz Probably not Jan 17 21:05
amd-linux well it is not in redmond :-) so here they are not as lack and white as in the US Jan 17 21:05
schestowitz But they should not serve a company that violates the law Jan 17 21:05
amd-linux I met one guy from MSN who uses firefox…. :-) Jan 17 21:05
schestowitz Oberying orders for cash or food does not justify the conditions under which these are necessary Jan 17 21:05
amd-linux true Jan 17 21:05
schestowitz If that were the case and you were in Russia, then you might as well join a botnet ring Jan 17 21:05
schestowitz It might even make you rich Jan 17 21:06
amd-linux but me thinks most of them dont know what happened around MSOOXML tc Jan 17 21:06
twitter if they find out, they will be fired Jan 17 21:06
amd-linux many of them consider this just business tactics :-( Jan 17 21:06
schestowitz Many MS employees use Google and Firefox Jan 17 21:06
amd-linux but not Ballmers kids :-) Jan 17 21:06
schestowitz The white-collar typos are nervous to see this Jan 17 21:06
schestowitz I bet he spanks them hard Jan 17 21:07
schestowitz But let’s not talk about his personal life…. Jan 17 21:07
amd-linux lol Jan 17 21:07
schestowitz Bribery is not a busines tactics Jan 17 21:07
twitter what makes you think he spends time with his kids? Jan 17 21:07
schestowitz Sacking people in _other companies_ (or states) is not business tactis Jan 17 21:07
twitter he’s too busy with his big important job for that. Jan 17 21:07
schestowitz Explain to them what happened Jan 17 21:07
schestowitz Some people just clog up their ears and sing lalalala Jan 17 21:08
twitter you can’t talk to them Jan 17 21:08
schestowitz A lot of criminal nations are the same Jan 17 21:08
amd-linux well if this earns u a nice home…. Jan 17 21:08
schestowitz broadcast helps them rid themselves of guild Jan 17 21:08
schestowitz *guilt Jan 17 21:08
amd-linux then many close their ears Jan 17 21:08
twitter It’s like the secretary in Hitler’s bunker.  She heard everything but never felt responsible. Jan 17 21:09
schestowitz People are easy to program Jan 17 21:09
twitter People want to believe their leaders and employers no matter how brutal and wrong they are. Jan 17 21:09
amd-linux hmmm lets not compare MS with Hitler – as a German I have difficulties with that Jan 17 21:09
schestowitz That’s what makes us just high-class chimpanzees Jan 17 21:09
amd-linux I mean MS is ruthless, but they did not kill 6 million people…. Jan 17 21:10
schestowitz More Jan 17 21:10
schestowitz There are also the wars Jan 17 21:10
twitter they push patent law and deprive the world of life saving drugs Jan 17 21:10
schestowitz Some nations are still invading other countries Jan 17 21:10
schestowitz And people are taught that they “Do the Right Thing” Jan 17 21:10
twitter As an American, I have a lot to learn from people like Hitler’s secretary. Jan 17 21:11
schestowitz WT*? Look at this headlne: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsoft_faces_long_… Jan 17 21:11
twitter I am responsible for Iraq and Gaza. Jan 17 21:11
schestowitz Did Todd attend the presentations from James and Marshall Goldberg? Jan 17 21:11
amd-linux hehe i like this stats Jan 17 21:12
schestowitz You ought to see hotmail vs gmail Jan 17 21:12
schestowitz Google might soon be the number 1 E-mail domain :-) Jan 17 21:12
twitter hotmail is dying Jan 17 21:12
schestowitz Yes Jan 17 21:12
schestowitz People leave Jan 17 21:12
schestowitz There were some posts I did about it Jan 17 21:12
schestowitz 2 last month. It’s been measured.. Jan 17 21:13
twitter bbl, I’m going to escape to Wii and my comfortable suburban life for a while Jan 17 21:13
schestowitz The chart in Bishop’s blog is bad Jan 17 21:13
PetoKraus oh, 2 mails Jan 17 21:13
schestowitz This comes from a source that’s flattering to MS Jan 17 21:13
PetoKraus one from virgin Jan 17 21:13
PetoKraus this is starting to get funney Jan 17 21:13
schestowitz Others show a decline from 9% to 5% for MS in a single year Jan 17 21:13
schestowitz But the MS bloggers won’t show it… it’s too embarrassing. Jan 17 21:14
schestowitz PetoKraus: Customer Concern? Jan 17 21:14
PetoKraus Customer Complaints Manager Jan 17 21:14
PetoKraus we are going up the food chain! Jan 17 21:14
PetoKraus digital signature, but still, better than it was before Jan 17 21:15
PetoKraus it still looks like a prefab, though Jan 17 21:15
PetoKraus there’s better news, though Jan 17 21:15
schestowitz Food chain? Jan 17 21:15
schestowitz Bon appetite, PetoKraus Jan 17 21:15
PetoKraus “I am pleased to inform you that you have been shortlisted for a Club 21 Placement.” Jan 17 21:15
PetoKraus hell yeah! Jan 17 21:15
schestowitz Club 21? Jan 17 21:16
PetoKraus it’s uni work placement network Jan 17 21:16
schestowitz Drinking age in the US? Jan 17 21:16
PetoKraus this one is in some chemistry company… well paid (£210 per week) Jan 17 21:16
PetoKraus (well paid for students, that is) Jan 17 21:16
schestowitz brb Jan 17 21:19
schestowitz http://www.webhostdir.com/news/showN… “the midst of the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression.” Jan 17 21:42
schestowitz Survey time: http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/surve… Jan 17 21:50
schestowitz KDE on about 35%… :-S Jan 17 21:50
amd-linux did u see the latest netcraft stats? Apache up more than 1 percent Jan 17 21:50
schestowitz Apache took off sharply Jan 17 21:50
amd-linux MS down nearly 1 % Jan 17 21:50
schestowitz About 6 months ago it lost some steam perhaps cause MS bribes some more hosts to defect Jan 17 21:51
schestowitz Every since it grew steadily, BUT Jan 17 21:51
amd-linux Godaddy Jan 17 21:51
schestowitz That too… not only… Jan 17 21:51
schestowitz People forget that Google’s hosting s/w is Apache too Jan 17 21:51
schestowitz There’s a sort of fragmentation dilemma and cannibalisation in FOSS Jan 17 21:51
schestowitz MS gave up on it all.. in Apache, like in Linux, almost all programmers are paid and they come from tons of companies that /use/ Apache… I’m posting videos about it in BN these days Jan 17 21:52
amd-linux I am just happy to see that their efforts didnt pay on the long term Jan 17 21:54
amd-linux iam using apache as an example why the fairytale of MS insecurity caused by its v Jan 17 21:54
amd-linux broad adoption is just wrong Jan 17 21:55
schestowitz http://caps.fool.com/blogs/viewpost.aspx?bpid=… “On January 1st, a SourceForge (NASDAQ:LNUX) asset, Linux.com announced they were no longer providing news “…Many of you have commented that our NewsVac section hasn’t been refreshed since the middle of last month. Others have noticed that our story volume has dropped off. Changes are coming to Linux.com, and until they arrive, you won’t see any new stori Jan 17 21:55
schestowitz es on the site.” Jan 17 21:55
schestowitz Apache is /very/ important. It’s a ‘market share’ myth buster, security myths buster, and “kids in basement” myth buster Jan 17 21:55
amd-linux if this were ture, most apache websites would also e infected as apache Jan 17 21:55
schestowitz Yes, GNU/Linux too. Jan 17 21:56
amd-linux basically is the backbone of the web Jan 17 21:56
schestowitz “Forty percent of servers run Windows, 60 percent run Linux…” Steve Ballmer (September 2008) Jan 17 21:56
schestowitz OMG!!11 it’s not less than 1% like Microsoft says Jan 17 21:56
amd-linux cnet btw is up in arms because of the new EU investigation Jan 17 21:57
amd-linux against MS…. Jan 17 21:57
amd-linux but that might also be something politically – we make quite some money from MS :-) Jan 17 21:58
amd-linux 1,7 billion euros as of today just in fines Jan 17 21:58
schestowitz Are you referring to Ina Friedshill article? Jan 17 21:58
amd-linux just the headline “”like it is 1999″ Jan 17 21:59
schestowitz amd-linux: that’s money that Microsoft rook away from EU citiczens Jan 17 21:59
schestowitz In terms of business, not just purchases Jan 17 21:59
schestowitz Before FF, Opera was a superb browser Jan 17 21:59
amd-linux hehe but not from me – Linux since kernel 0.99 Jan 17 21:59
schestowitz amd-linux: not just CNET Jan 17 21:59
schestowitz I saw many articles like that… all from MS talking heads/points Jan 17 21:59
schestowitz I posted a few in IRC this morning. Jan 17 22:00
amd-linux even heise.de, quite pro FOSS, was wondering why Jan 17 22:00
amd-linux but when I saw the problems in S. Korea, I understand what they want to prevent Jan 17 22:01
schestowitz ActiveX Jan 17 22:01
amd-linux THAT is a monoculture there OMG Jan 17 22:01
schestowitz I wrote about it yesterday.. Silver Lie  is similar Jan 17 22:01
amd-linux S. Korea really painted itself in the corner Jan 17 22:02
schestowitz MS employees wanted to stick to standard. PearlyG instructed them /NOT/ to. Jan 17 22:02
amd-linux they can just beg MS to kepp up compatibility Jan 17 22:02
amd-linux how can a governement sell off its own IT to a foreign company Jan 17 22:03
schestowitz Cronies Jan 17 22:03
amd-linux the story about Russia using Linux as “national” OS was interesting Jan 17 22:04
amd-linux we use Linux for hi-sec in our embassies for some yrs now Jan 17 22:04
schestowitz A lot of universities and governments (BECTA for example) fall for similar scams right now. Jan 17 22:05
schestowitz Bad engineering is made acceptable Jan 17 22:05
schestowitz What if planes crashed as often as Windows? (Soft) Bribery need not be the rationale for selecting technology, but often that’s just the case. Jan 17 22:05
schestowitz Didn’t the German military begin migration to Red Hat? Jan 17 22:06
amd-linux http://www.bsi.bund.de/fachthem/sina/sysb… Jan 17 22:06
amd-linux German language but still interesting Jan 17 22:06
amd-linux unfortunately they are also using SINA for the data maning at the ISPs since beginning of the year here Jan 17 22:07
amd-linux they put a SINA box at they backbone routers and it copies all IP addresses Jan 17 22:07
amd-linux its quite tamprproof Jan 17 22:08
amd-linux well its the law…. George Orwell… Jan 17 22:08
schestowitz In what sense? Jan 17 22:08
schestowitz The raising of Tor operators in Germany…? Jan 17 22:09
schestowitz *rading Jan 17 22:09
schestowitz *raiding Jan 17 22:09
amd-linux data mining? its an EU directive, we have to store all IP addresses Jan 17 22:09
amd-linux for 6 months Jan 17 22:09
schestowitz Yes, it gets worse Jan 17 22:09
schestowitz In the UK they store packet content too Jan 17 22:09
amd-linux it is stupid as people whp know whtat they want to do will not be caught Jan 17 22:10
schestowitz UK taxpayers fund it with $500 million, IIRC — to be ALLOCATED to a PRIVATE company. Jan 17 22:10
amd-linux but the content industrie is already trying to exploit this Jan 17 22:10
schestowitz They take away rights Jan 17 22:10
schestowitz The Brown regime takes away all those right using “terrorism” as an excuse… blinding to their own terrorism to, which they raise Jan 17 22:10
schestowitz *too Jan 17 22:11
amd-linux here too Jan 17 22:11
amd-linux terror and chuld p*rn are their arguments Jan 17 22:11
schestowitz Of course Jan 17 22:11
amd-linux as if those freaks would not use TOR or paied proxies Jan 17 22:11
schestowitz Can’t say “yes” to terrorism and child abuse Jan 17 22:12
schestowitz It makes you one of “them”(C) Jan 17 22:12
schestowitz So {people whom demand privacy}={perverts and suicide bombers} Jan 17 22:12
amd-linux but explain that to a female minister who doesnt know who to spell email Jan 17 22:12
amd-linux more or less…. Jan 17 22:12
amd-linux ok gotta go Jan 17 22:13
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schestowitz I watched a video about the perntagon last night Jan 17 22:13
PetoKraus porntagon? Jan 17 22:13
schestowitz Hehe. no. Let me find it. Jan 17 22:13
PetoKraus yeah, that’s a good one. Jan 17 22:13
schestowitz http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u-3ZB_-dM… Jan 17 22:13
schestowitz She quit her jobs there (go half-way into the video) and she spoke about how they fabricated things that ignore their intelligence findings. Jan 17 22:14
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