| schestowitz | PC sales down in EU (shuuucks horror!) and DSGi announces new chairman in eye of retail storm < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/01/... > | Jan 19 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | No upgrade cycle = no forced purchases of Viduh. | Jan 19 19:11 |
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| PetoKraus | FFFFFFFFff | Jan 19 19:14 |
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| PetoKraus | snow doesn't go well with footbal | Jan 19 19:14 |
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| PetoKraus | *ll | Jan 19 19:14 |
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| PetoKraus | obama quits? :) | Jan 19 19:14 |
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| jose | schestowitz, i got an error several times (after a long connection wait) trying to post to bn.. will try in a bit | Jan 19 19:15 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: they already did | Jan 19 19:15 |
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| PetoKraus | spam suing spam | Jan 19 19:15 |
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| PetoKraus | ;) | Jan 19 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | Eek.. | Jan 19 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | Who did they sue? | Jan 19 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | Some Linux backers upset about selection of Silverlight to stream Obama inauguration events < http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3302 > Dems for Crim[inals] | Jan 19 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/157934/.html?tk=rss_main "Though not available from the channel's main page or playlists, all videos on the ChangeDotGov YouTube channel now give the downloading option. The MPEG4 (H.264) file can then be easily added to iTunes and your iPod/iPhone." Greasemonkey already does this | Jan 19 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | AMD to Cut 1,100 Jobs and Slash Salaries Across Company < http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3302 > | Jan 19 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. http://www.pcworld.com/article/157931/amd_to_... | Jan 19 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | UFO man arrested over Obama threats < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/485... > | Jan 19 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: didn't the Microsoft shill Scott Douglas make similar threats in USENET? | Jan 19 19:35 |
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| trmanco | who is he? | Jan 19 19:35 |
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| trmanco | goes by which nickname? | Jan 19 19:36 |
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| trmanco | or nym? | Jan 19 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | Ezekiel (speudonym) | Jan 19 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | *pseu | Jan 19 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | He also threatened to "slit the throat" of Linux users | Jan 19 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | The US government doesn't mind disgusting AstroTurfs but death threats can have these crooks exposed to arrest | Jan 19 19:37 |
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| trmanco | you showed me some archives messages saying he would slit/kill Linux users throat, so yes | Jan 19 19:37 |
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| trmanco | archived* | Jan 19 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | There's plenty | Jan 19 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | Around the release of VIsta, IIRC | Jan 19 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | Also calls for the death of the US president, although I think it was just suggestion of trials (which I agree with) | Jan 19 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | Search for "americkkkans" in COLA and you'll see. | Jan 19 19:39 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, are you sure? | Jan 19 19:42 |
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| trmanco | Your search - americkkkans - did not match any documents. | Jan 19 19:42 |
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| trmanco | :| | Jan 19 19:43 |
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| jose | schestowitz, might this have something to do with the sluggishness _doug was asking about? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/h... | Jan 19 19:46 |
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| tessier_ | I'm really hoping for a worm which causes serious collateral damage. | Jan 19 19:49 |
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| tessier_ | Nothing short of major economic consequences will make people take security seriously and therefore dump windows. | Jan 19 19:50 |
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| MinceR | m$ fanboys will keep blaming the creators of the worm as usual | Jan 19 19:50 |
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| tessier_ | I want a worm like this one that goes around and randomly flips least significant digits in spreadsheets. | Jan 19 19:50 |
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| MinceR | and ignore the horrible security record of m$ products | Jan 19 19:50 |
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| tessier_ | MinceR: We are once again buying Microsoft's jelly doughnut. | Jan 19 19:50 |
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| MinceR | tessier_: that exists already, it's called excel | Jan 19 19:50 |
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| MinceR | except it introduces greater errors than that | Jan 19 19:51 |
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| MinceR | (pdf) http://www.csdassn.org/software... | Jan 19 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: try without the "c" | Jan 19 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | "amirikkkan" he wrote, IIRC | Jan 19 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | *meri | Jan 19 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | tessier_: Morris for Windows? | Jan 19 19:57 |
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| trmanco | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linu... | Jan 19 19:58 |
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| trmanco | yep | Jan 19 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: doubtful | Jan 19 19:58 |
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| MinceR | still, that worm would be a nice idea anyway | Jan 19 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | The cost of the damage (lost data etc.) will be paid by _all_ of us | Jan 19 19:58 |
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| MinceR | with a very subtle spreading algorithm and slowly increasing error rate :> | Jan 19 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | Then MS will say "all operating systems are not secure" | Jan 19 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | Sheesh :-) | Jan 19 19:58 |
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| MinceR | they'd eventually find out and be very scared | Jan 19 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | Brian Valentine, Microsoft executive: "Our products just aren't engineered for security." | Jan 19 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | At least they are not "masturbating monkeys in a circus," according to Linus | Jan 19 19:59 |
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| MinceR | they aren't? | Jan 19 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | They are | Jan 19 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | I see twitter stuff | Jan 19 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | "OMG! How can I not become one of these...err... 10+ million victims?" | Jan 19 20:00 |
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| schestowitz | Answer: "Install Linux" | Jan 19 20:00 |
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| MinceR | i keep saying that | Jan 19 20:00 |
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| tessier_ | Even if Linux is worm-free because of the small market share (which I strongly dispute) it's still safer. | Jan 19 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | It runs on many servers | Jan 19 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | And devices too.... TiVo, Android, Google DCs etc. No major problems reported there. | Jan 19 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | Mind you, Windows SERVERS are now being own3d by this worm.. it's not a desktop thing requiring IE and some surfing or an attachment | Jan 19 20:04 |
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| MinceR | linux also runs on supercomputers and on embedded systems | Jan 19 20:06 |
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| trmanco | even the people who program Windows get owned | Jan 19 20:10 |
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| trmanco | private\genx\shell\inc\prsht.w: | Jan 19 20:10 |
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| trmanco | / we are such morons. Wiz97 underwent a redesign between IE4 and IE5 | Jan 19 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: MS tried mainframes | Jan 19 20:10 |
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| trmanco | private\shell\ext\ftp\ftpdrop.cpp: | Jan 19 20:10 |
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| trmanco | We have to do this only because Exchange is a moron. | Jan 19 20:10 |
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| MinceR | yes, and there was that marketing stunt with cray | Jan 19 20:10 |
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| trmanco | private\shell\shdoc401\unicpp\desktop.cpp: | Jan 19 20:10 |
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| trmanco | / We are morons. We changed the IDeskTray interface between IE4 | Jan 19 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | There was an attack code published... for MAINFRAMES! | Jan 19 20:10 |
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| trmanco | private\shell\browseui\itbar.cpp: | Jan 19 20:11 |
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| trmanco | / should be fixed in the apps themselves. Morons! | Jan 19 20:11 |
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| trmanco | http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/20... <- old | Jan 19 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | re: Cray "here, have some money to live, announce to the world that WCSS (??) is great" | Jan 19 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: what's that about? | Jan 19 20:11 |
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| trmanco | Windows 2000 source code | Jan 19 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, that one. | Jan 19 20:12 |
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| trmanco | when it got partly leaked | Jan 19 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | I think I saw it | Jan 19 20:12 |
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| MinceR | that kuro5hin article is a praise of winblows. | Jan 19 20:12 |
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| trmanco | private\mvdm\wow32\wgfont.c: | Jan 19 20:12 |
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| trmanco | * This thunk implements the undocumented Win3.0 and Win3.1 API | Jan 19 20:12 |
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| trmanco | * GetCurLogFont (GDI.411). Symantec QA4.0 uses it. | Jan 19 20:12 |
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| trmanco | * To implement this undocumented API we will use the NT undocumented API | Jan 19 20:12 |
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| trmanco | OMG | Jan 19 20:12 |
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| MinceR | they just love undocumented APIs, don't they? | Jan 19 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | Attack Unleashed for New Microsoft Mainframe Bug: "| Hackers have released code that could be used to take control of a server running Microsoft's Host Integration Server 2006, used to connect mainframe applications to Windows PCs."http://www.pcworld.com/article/152... Yes, that's why people want Windows on supercomputers... superzombies. | Jan 19 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | The whole 'world' (read: IBM) runs Linux on mainframes. No muss, no fuss. | Jan 19 20:13 |
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| MinceR | that's what gives them some of the unfair advantages when they try to take over the market of an application. | Jan 19 20:13 |
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| trmanco | MinceR, I guess so | Jan 19 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | Then Microsoft puts it on a meager amount and BANG! Virus. | Jan 19 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | IBM tries commoditizing the platform with Linux, in order to kill Microsoft | Jan 19 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | But it's not all good. They just want to sell non-Free software in other parts. | Jan 19 20:14 |
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| trmanco | I wonder how long the Windows 2008 HPC super computer in Japan is going to last without being compromised | Jan 19 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | Or replaced for technical reasons | Jan 19 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | I've seen it before. | Jan 19 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | Announcement about super-Windows... then "meh"... they switch back to Linux | Jan 19 20:15 |
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| trmanco | there are actually 4 with 2008 and 1 with 2003 | Jan 19 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | hpc500? | Jan 19 20:17 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Jan 19 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | top500? | Jan 19 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | Can't recall it. | Jan 19 20:17 |
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| trmanco | yes | Jan 19 20:17 |
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| trmanco | more like HPC 1988 | Jan 19 20:18 |
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| MinceR | if ibm kills microsoft, that's all right | Jan 19 20:19 |
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| trmanco | Windows HPC Server 2008 /Launch Veranstaltung/ Steigenberger Airport Hotel Frankfurt / 16.10.2008 | Jan 19 20:19 |
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| MinceR | they should have done it long ago | Jan 19 20:19 |
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| MinceR | it's in great part ibm's mistake that microsoft is around | Jan 19 20:19 |
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| trmanco | The most powerful system outside the U.S. is the Chinese-built Dawning 5000A at the Shanghai Supercomputer Center. It is the largest system which can be operated with Windows HPC 2008. | Jan 19 20:20 |
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| trmanco | it in China | Jan 19 20:20 |
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| trmanco | it's | Jan 19 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | Why games are NOT the key to Linux adoption < http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/co... > | Jan 19 20:20 |
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| trmanco | I saw this earlier | Jan 19 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | China... where the govt decides everything and is in bed with Bill | Jan 19 20:21 |
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| trmanco | maybe Bill is in bed with China | Jan 19 20:21 |
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| trmanco | not the other way around :-P | Jan 19 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | Same thing. It takes two to do a collusionm | Jan 19 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | Summary of Gates@China: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/12/gates-fig... http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/31/micr... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/15/c... | Jan 19 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/0... | Jan 19 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | Yay! Send them to Guantanamo bay... white-collar crime for a change... http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/200901... | Jan 19 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | If there were rich American, would they even be put on trial at all?? | Jan 19 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | OS News has its editor /still/ posting lots of 7apourware advertising. | Jan 19 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | Other complained as well... maybe a good candidate for deletion now that Thom talks for Microsoft more than he delivers new. | Jan 19 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | "Well tonight is my computer night. I get home and find that the computer isn't functioning. What normally happens at this point is that I log into the firewall gateway to find that NTL has dropped signal. Tonight that wasn't the case. The firewall had a disk error that EXT3 isn't able to check - I think the disk itself has become faulty." http://www.s5h.net/ | Jan 19 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | He's hosting mirror of COLA news.. | Jan 19 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | Wot?? "Mary Lou Jepsen: You are most welcome. I read Groklaw as I'm able (it's blocked in China though). " http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?... | Jan 19 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | Is there a Web-based checker for China's blacklist? | Jan 19 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | How to Check If Your Website Is Blocked In China or Not < http://www.labnol.org/internet/blogg... > | Jan 19 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | BN is not blocked in China: http://www.just-ping.com/index.php?vh... | Jan 19 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | Better to say nice things about China or else... ;-) | Jan 19 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | Someone could write to Opera's CTO and suggest they finally Free up their browser... they are not muchly opposed to it... http://www.fsdaily.com/Legal/Why_European_C... | Jan 19 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://linuxshellaccount.blogspot.com... | Jan 19 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | We have just made Digg's front page 'by proxy': http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_facts_be... | Jan 19 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | Geez... watch the Microsoft AstroTurf in Digg. For a fact they do it in Slashdot (it's confirmed), so probably in Digg too | Jan 19 21:09 |
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| trmanco | 'by proxy' :-P | Jan 19 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | Like a patent troll... proxifying | Jan 19 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | CNET has the trolll. :-) | Jan 19 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | Someone has just mailed me about it.. I had no idea | Jan 19 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | The guy who submitted has BN in his blogroll... he runs Royal Hehe | Jan 19 21:17 |
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| *kapipi has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Jan 19 21:19 |
| trmanco | yep, good guy | Jan 19 21:19 |
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| *kapipi (n=tor@130.226.169.143) has joined #boycottnovell | Jan 19 21:20 |
| schestowitz | I llke his posts because they are ALL advocacy-oriented | Jan 19 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | Rami something.. | Jan 19 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | From Saudi Arabia I think... | Jan 19 21:20 |
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| trmanco | yep | Jan 19 21:21 |
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| trmanco | "Linux advocate, blogger, football (soccer) lover, Digger, social media addict, and an all-around geek. Check my lifestream on " | Jan 19 21:22 |
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| trmanco | is he on cola? | Jan 19 21:22 |
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| trmanco | :-P | Jan 19 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | No. | Jan 19 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | I never spoke to him. | Jan 19 21:22 |
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| trmanco | http://twitter.com/bianconeri4ever | Jan 19 21:23 |
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| trmanco | I just started following him | Jan 19 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's anti-FOSS buddies: http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayRelease... | Jan 19 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/bianconeri4ev... | Jan 19 21:24 |
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| trmanco | trillion :O | Jan 19 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Jan 19 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | 1 million millions | Jan 19 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | People can't perceive it easily. If a billion is a lot, think about 1000 of them. | Jan 19 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | US debt: 10 trillion | Jan 19 21:27 |
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| trmanco | just stumbled upon this -> http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/07/... | Jan 19 21:28 |
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| trmanco | I wonder how much my country has in debt | Jan 19 21:28 |
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| trmanco | ... | Jan 19 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | "I've seen Microsoft people attend competing software special interest groups looking to get members over to their software and these lambs just let Microsoft speak." http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=... | Jan 19 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | This is annoying.. they always find some lackeys who let them in | Jan 19 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | If they say "no", they'll respond "but I'm a nice guy" or "you're such an MS hater" | Jan 19 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: why did you find it? (I link to it a lot) | Jan 19 21:32 |
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| trmanco | 520 million euros | Jan 19 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | That's nothing. | Jan 19 21:32 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, found it on Google for a search on "non biased linux stats" | Jan 19 21:32 |
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| trmanco | something like that | Jan 19 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | America's debt is about 10,000,000 million dollars | Jan 19 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | /s/America/US/ | Jan 19 21:33 |
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| trmanco | we have 10 million people | Jan 19 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: I fueled this blog post like 20 times... | Jan 19 21:33 |
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| trmanco | the US has 200 million +/- | Jan 19 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | It's a scientist who wrote it, so it helps credibility with "you're a fanboi" excuse | Jan 19 21:34 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, I like that article, I've seen it a couple of times too | Jan 19 21:34 |
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| trmanco | you pointed me to it once | Jan 19 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | I often do | Jan 19 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | Cause I don't have need to 'rewrite' what he did | Jan 19 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | He points to: i) data; ii) methods. Both are fraudulent at best, IMHO | Jan 19 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | BN stats for January | Jan 19 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | Windows167455850.1 % | Jan 19 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | Linux117171535.1 % | Jan 19 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | Checkmate... Linux is close to beating Windows. Case closed. | Jan 19 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | Says my 'study' | Jan 19 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | Linux 2.6 kernel Storage Tuning Tips < http://blog.hydrasystemsllc.com/2009/01... > | Jan 19 21:37 |
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| trmanco | yay | Jan 19 21:37 |
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| *schestowitz has just begun linking Comes petition to smoking guns (exhibits) | Jan 19 21:38 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about this yesterday: http://www.linux-magazine.com/online... | Jan 19 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | Martin Luther King today........ | Jan 19 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe I should post relevant videos... | Jan 19 21:42 |
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| jose | soon it will be "yesterday" | Jan 19 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | I happened to watch these yesterday. Mind what he says about Martin Luther... John William Templeton looks at Free Open Source Software and African American culture and innovation 01 (2004) http://www.archive.org/download/e-dv158_sf_02... | Jan 19 21:43 |
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| jose | ok, not exactly "soon" but evening is almost here on the east coast | Jan 19 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | jose: yes, Carla almost forgot | Jan 19 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | I put some pointers there. | Jan 19 21:43 |
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| jose | i forgot as well for a while | Jan 19 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/ | Jan 19 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | Google doesn't care about him anymore? | Jan 19 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | I'm pretty sure they made a tribute before... | Jan 19 21:44 |
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| jose | that link about the 1% linux share was good. | Jan 19 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe just for US visitors.. | Jan 19 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | jose: what do you see in google.com? | Jan 19 21:44 |
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| jose | you are right! | Jan 19 21:44 |
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| jose | earlier today they did have their little tribute | Jan 19 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | I don't get it in the UK | Jan 19 21:44 |
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| jose | odd they'd remove it so soon | Jan 19 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they localize [sic] | Jan 19 21:45 |
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| jose | well, i did get it earlier but not now | Jan 19 21:45 |
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| jose | maybe a cookie or something | Jan 19 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | The never-dying cookie from Google :-|| | Jan 19 21:45 |
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| jose | i hadn't thought about the localize thing but of course.. since holidays vary so much around the world... duh | Jan 19 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | "Never accept a cookie from a stranger... or Google" | Jan 19 21:46 |
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| jose | update | Jan 19 21:46 |
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| jose | google does have it | Jan 19 21:46 |
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| jose | i went to google.com/firefox start page just now | Jan 19 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Jan 19 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | In schestowitz.com I fetch time of date | Jan 19 21:46 |
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| jose | to clarify.. the google.com has it but the google.com/firefox page does not | Jan 19 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | Using JS it gets user's time... on PHP I can only fetch server time (Belfast) | Jan 19 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | Or London actually. | Jan 19 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | SJVN ran out of material: http://blogs.computerworld.com/the_best... | Jan 19 21:47 |
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| jose | besides using websites that likely will be visited by windows more (eg, microsoft.com, etc).. | Jan 19 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | I notice that he /always/ pushes all his posts into LT | Jan 19 21:48 |
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| jose | you can always have windows send queries unto the internet.. | Jan 19 21:48 |
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| jose | to websites that are members of that marketing group | Jan 19 21:48 |
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| jose | and might such a group have a greater than average number of MS gold partners as members? | Jan 19 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | Adieu, Michel Rocard - et Merci http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/01... "Free software loses a good friend in the European Parliament: Michel Rocard, fierce opponent of software patents, is resigning. Sad day, but thanks, mon vieux." Did anyone pull a Quinn? ;-) | Jan 19 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's antithesis on the Web: The Digital Preservation Coalition < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/0... > | Jan 19 21:50 |
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| trmanco | http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/linuxhaxo... | Jan 19 21:50 |
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| trmanco | :| | Jan 19 21:50 |
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| trmanco | http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2009/01/19/on... | Jan 19 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | He's spamming Digg | Jan 19 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | Shout-spamming and SEO networks. So I don't care much for him anymore (pavs) | Jan 19 21:52 |
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| trmanco | OT: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pi... | Jan 19 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | Seagate gets what it deserves other than layoffs: Complaints flood Seagate over hard drive problems < http://www.computerworld.com/action/article... >. They preinstall Windows softwrae on raw h/w | Jan 19 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: good link | Jan 19 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | Two points: | Jan 19 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | 1. Blloomberg is one among many 'big' sites that are foolish enough not to <title> their pages (I don't know why) | Jan 19 21:55 |
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| trmanco | you like it? hmm, I just thought it would be partly ignored | Jan 19 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | 2. I often wonder how much of these boats, buildings, planes, etc. are 'on loan' in the sense that the US will have to get rid of these and pay off debt. The same goes for big companies whose value is in a freefall (becoming prey to Chinese companies) | Jan 19 21:57 |
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| trmanco | <title> | Jan 19 21:57 |
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| trmanco | Bloomberg.com: | Jan 19 21:57 |
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| trmanco | Worldwide</title> | Jan 19 21:57 |
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| trmanco | non related title | Jan 19 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 19 21:57 |
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| trmanco | they should find a good groups of programmers to fix the site | Jan 19 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | Bad hypertext too | Jan 19 21:57 |
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| trmanco | and integrate RSS on it, we are not living in the internet ice age | Jan 19 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | \n\template\n\Worldwide | Jan 19 21:58 |
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| trmanco | they should get rid of the table bloat template too | Jan 19 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | I hadn't realised there was no RSS either. | Jan 19 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | It's complicated | Jan 19 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | They have a CMS. | Jan 19 21:59 |
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| trmanco | I get their updates from newslookup | Jan 19 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | They also build and shape the articles to fit existing layout | Jan 19 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | That's why I hardly change (nor /can/ change) BN | Jan 19 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | " To contact the reporter on this story: Adam Haigh in London at ahaigh1@bloomberg.net. " | Jan 19 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Why not comments? | Jan 19 21:59 |
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| trmanco | yeah, no comments I haven't checked that | Jan 19 22:00 |
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| trmanco | another good point to remodel the website template | Jan 19 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | The interaction model is broken | Jan 19 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | Like old-style Inquirer | Jan 19 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | They inherit the limitations of physical paper as though these are DESIRABLE | Jan 19 22:02 |
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| trmanco | http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/story.as... | Jan 19 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | I saw the same thing in academia | Jan 19 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | I set up Wikis for us to coedit papers | Jan 19 22:02 |
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| trmanco | they should follow marketwatch's example | Jan 19 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | But they carry on sending E-mails with attachments around | Jan 19 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | (and make conflicting edits) | Jan 19 22:03 |
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| trmanco | they changed layout recently, and they changed to a better and more clean one | Jan 19 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | MarketWatch does too much Dvorakism. | Jan 19 22:03 |
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| trmanco | what is that? | Jan 19 22:03 |
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| trmanco | Dvorakism? | Jan 19 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | TheStreet redesigned too | Jan 19 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | They sacked one of their horrible 'comedians' | Jan 19 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | John C Dvorak | Jan 19 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | IDG links to its masters at IDC with lies about Linux: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Red-Hat-CEO... | Jan 19 22:05 |
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| trmanco | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Dvorak | Jan 19 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | Classic for my next part abott IDC corruption | Jan 19 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | They measure revenue, not growtth | Jan 19 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | That's the 'Microsoft standards' for measuring things | Jan 19 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | It makes Linux (free) look bad. | Jan 19 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Gillen and his Gang of liars must be getting paid well for these lies. | Jan 19 22:06 |
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| trmanco | "Paris because sex sells, unlike Vista........." | Jan 19 22:09 |
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| trmanco | OMG | Jan 19 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | Paris? | Jan 19 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Paris and Vista... both built upon plastic surgeries. | Jan 19 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | And America (US) is sometimes compared to a nation 'on steroids' (exploiting energy or money it does not really have) | Jan 19 22:12 |
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| trmanco | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/1... | Jan 19 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | Paris with glasses *lOL* | Jan 19 22:16 |
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| trmanco | Windows10174471 % | Jan 19 22:19 |
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| trmanco | Linux3004620.9 % | Jan 19 22:19 |
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| trmanco | Unknown102257.1 % | Jan 19 22:19 |
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| trmanco | Macintosh9420.6 % | Jan 19 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | The comments here are horrid, buried, and many are probably MS lackeys: http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_fa... | Jan 19 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: source? | Jan 19 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | OpenMaina? | Jan 19 22:19 |
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| trmanco | one of my sites | Jan 19 22:19 |
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| trmanco | yes | Jan 19 22:19 |
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| trmanco | I consider it a little biased | Jan 19 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | We suck in all the "Linux" 'market share' | Jan 19 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | We leave nothing to ParisHilton and all kinds of rubbish that lends data to 'surveys' | Jan 19 22:20 |
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| trmanco | I wonder what is unknown | Jan 19 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | Could be Linux | Jan 19 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | Surely not Windows | Jan 19 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of "Windows" is zombie traffic | Jan 19 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | MSIE. | Jan 19 22:20 |
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| trmanco | FirefoxNo6698446.7 % | Jan 19 22:20 |
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| trmanco | MS Internet ExplorerNo5752740.1 % | Jan 19 22:20 |
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| trmanco | Unknown?91846.4 % | Jan 19 22:20 |
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| trmanco | OperaNo29092 % | Jan 19 22:20 |
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| trmanco | SafariNo28021.9 % | Jan 19 22:20 |
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| trmanco | MozillaNo21101.4 % | Jan 19 22:20 |
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| trmanco | Google Chrome | Jan 19 22:20 |
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| trmanco | I better start 'educating' my visitors in this browser part | Jan 19 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | Pull a Slated | Jan 19 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | He blocks all IE | Jan 19 22:21 |
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| tessier_ | I used to have a javascript popup for anyone who was using IE. | Jan 19 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | If I blocked IE in BN, only 10% would be turned away | Jan 19 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | tessier_: good lad | Jan 19 22:22 |
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| jose | otoh, you want windows using people to read bn | Jan 19 22:22 |
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| jose | I'm going to go very soon. | Jan 19 22:23 |
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| MinceR | what's zombie traffic looking for? vulnerabilities in the web server? | Jan 19 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | M$pinner: Microsoft Attacked By EU For Same Practices That Apple/Linux Use : http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/01/18/micros... | Jan 19 22:23 |
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| tessier_ | I didn't block them from the site, just made them see a warning that told them something better was available. | Jan 19 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | $pin $pin $pin $pin | Jan 19 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: all sort of stuff, even DDOS. | Jan 19 22:24 |
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| MinceR | tessier_: i think the best way is putting up a yellow(?) bar like what IE itself uses | Jan 19 22:24 |
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| MinceR | iirc someone did that | Jan 19 22:24 |
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| *schestowitz been hit by DDOS before.. all MSIE | Jan 19 22:24 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: oh, i thought this was over the web generally | Jan 19 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: WordPress does this | Jan 19 22:24 |
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| MinceR | huh? | Jan 19 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | The admin panel puts an icon at the bottom | Jan 19 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | Links to http://browsehappy.com/ | Jan 19 22:25 |
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| MinceR | oh, that | Jan 19 22:25 |
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| MinceR | i thought it does DDoS :) | Jan 19 22:25 |
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| *Tallken (n=f2f93bf5@93.102.98.99.rev.optimus.pt) has joined #boycottnovell | Jan 19 22:27 |
| jose | warn ie users they are surfing unsafely | Jan 19 22:27 |
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| jose | i think that's what you said, roy.. or something like that come to think of it | Jan 19 22:27 |
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| jose | see you people later. | Jan 19 22:27 |
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| Tallken | schestowitz, !!!! | Jan 19 22:27 |
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| MinceR | o/ | Jan 19 22:27 |
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| Tallken | schestowitz, you've been mentioned by C|net | Jan 19 22:27 |
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| Tallken | !!!!!! | Jan 19 22:27 |
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| *jose has quit ("Leaving") | Jan 19 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jan 19 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know, but it's not exciting. | Jan 19 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | The /. link last week (to EDGI) was more helpful to FOSS. It showed new things. | Jan 19 22:29 |
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| Tallken | I haven't been following any site, the C|Net one just kinda popped up here | Jan 19 22:29 |
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| Tallken | I gotta go, just came here to warn ya in case you didn't know already :) | Jan 19 22:29 |
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| Tallken | cya! | Jan 19 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | Tallken: cnet mentioned us some days ago | Jan 19 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | It's also in Digg's front page | Jan 19 22:31 |
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| Tallken | cool :D | Jan 19 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | I want the EU commission to see this stuff | Jan 19 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | They have lots of things to pick up... better than the Opera stint. | Jan 19 22:31 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, confirmed | Jan 19 22:32 |
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| trmanco | fissssshy is back | Jan 19 22:32 |
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| trmanco | ... or maybe a new person is reaing you logs and posting'em to cola | Jan 19 22:32 |
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| trmanco | reading* | Jan 19 22:32 |
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| *schestowitz looks | Jan 19 22:32 |
| schestowitz | "roy" | Jan 19 22:33 |
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| trmanco | I don't get it | Jan 19 22:33 |
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| trmanco | why d they all use gmail accounts | Jan 19 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | He's being stupid | Jan 19 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | He's just sending people to our site, trmanco | Jan 19 22:34 |
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| trmanco | yeah, | Jan 19 22:35 |
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| trmanco | but still | Jan 19 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | Drawing out one line among like 1000... including your picks | Jan 19 22:35 |
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| twitter | More like someone at M$ is throwing chairs over all the Comes vrs M$ postings. | Jan 19 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | They are wasting their times reading IRC | Jan 19 22:35 |
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| trmanco | these 'sometimes' personal attacks should stop | Jan 19 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | Shouldn't they be cr*apflooding Slashdot? | Jan 19 22:35 |
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| twitter | I like the Matt Asay link. | Jan 19 22:35 |
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| twitter | He gives M$ too much credit about their "crossing the line" | Jan 19 22:36 |
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| *Tallken has quit (Client Quit) | Jan 19 22:36 |
| twitter | today's story has that nice quote about changing TCO model to get the right results. | Jan 19 22:36 |
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| twitter | I hope this gets some loving, but It's already been modded down. http://slashdot.org/firehose... | Jan 19 22:37 |
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| twitter | The EDGI story that front paged probably got a lot of attention in Redmond, and you have kept it coming since. | Jan 19 22:38 |
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| twitter | The wiki has great potential. Have you posted the list of "interesting" documents there so that other people can help you convert to text? | Jan 19 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, sort of | Jan 19 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | Would you help us? | Jan 19 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | I have begun linking from the petition. | Jan 19 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | It's NOT available elsewhere. Other lawyers can now pick it up, along with goof scans of evidence. | Jan 19 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | I envision each doc having a synopsis (I produced full text for some) and then linked to from several overview pages that cover a topic (like tags) | Jan 19 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | So you arrive at the Wiki, choose a topic | Jan 19 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | You are then presented with a one line summary to each exhibit on this topic | Jan 19 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | Upon clicking, you get extended summary, maybe full text and also the full PDF (that's the easy part) | Jan 19 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | I have about 400 posts in BN that cover Comes (posted since 2006) | Jan 19 22:44 |
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| twitter | very cool, of course I'd like to help | Jan 19 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | Okay, here's what we can do. | Jan 19 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Eventually, we'll publish the polished stuff (with attributions where suitable) | Jan 19 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | In the Petition, I've begun chaining pages by adding "(c/f "[[PAGE_NAME]]")" | Jan 19 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | This corresponds to existing pages | Jan 19 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | Another thing that needs doing is tidying up of the memos already there. | Jan 19 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | Over 200 are pending addition. | Jan 19 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Tomorrow I'll do a post on IDC. | Jan 19 22:49 |
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| twitter | where is the Petition? | Jan 19 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Hold on. | Jan 19 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | You'd enjoy reading it too if you haven't. | Jan 19 22:50 |
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| twitter | :) | Jan 19 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | Part 1: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.p... Part 2: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php... | Jan 19 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | Most of the heavy stuff is in part 2 | Jan 19 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | I had to slice it to be scalable. | Jan 19 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | We don't worry about layout at this stage. We'll do a template later | Jan 19 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | it's about linking and gathering the evidence ATM | Jan 19 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | Need to merge these: http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-m... | Jan 19 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | All That Matters for Now is Out-of-the-Box Experience < http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2009/01/15/all... > | Jan 19 22:54 |
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| twitter | I see the text page. Lots of good stuff by Doug Menthol | Jan 19 22:56 |
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| twitter | Mentohl | Jan 19 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, pseudonym | Jan 19 22:57 |
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| twitter | So, do you have a pile of pdfs to look at? Linking from the petition looks like something you have a handle on. | Jan 19 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | Some things that I’d miss on moving from Linux to Windows < http://technologytales.com/2009/01/17/some-th... > | Jan 19 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I don't have all the PDFs (about 2.2GB on BN), but I might do that | Jan 19 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | There are already 3 complele mirrors that I know of. | Jan 19 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | So making complete archival record id not necessary | Jan 19 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | gotthefacts, antitrust.slated and EDGE-OP are good 'backup' | Jan 19 22:59 |
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| twitter | What I'd like is directions to interesting pdfs and the ability to put the text into the wiki. If you could make a list of those, pointing to edge-op and friends, I can get to work when I have time. | Jan 19 23:00 |
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| twitter | synopsis would be a good start | Jan 19 23:00 |
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| twitter | full text for the really interesting stuff, like their attack on Walmart. | Jan 19 23:01 |
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| twitter | An author name on the wiki would be sufficient attribution for me. :) | Jan 19 23:02 |
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| twitter | wiki keeps track of diff, right? | Jan 19 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | Excellent. | Jan 19 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | We already have many memos that have small extractions | Jan 19 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | About 60 of them in the Wiki | Jan 19 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | Synopsis can either be portions of interest or explanation of what's inside | Jan 19 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | The page title is not the Doc number (e.g. PX04226) but something memorable | Jan 19 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | Like... this is the "Gates versus Linux BIOS" smoking gun | Jan 19 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | It's easier to locate this way too | Jan 19 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | Ideally, once done: | Jan 19 23:04 |
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| twitter | cool, but we can't forget the original title or we will duplicate work. | Jan 19 23:04 |
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| *Casperin has quit ("Leaving") | Jan 19 23:05 |
| schestowitz | You have a page on a topic/subject.. say Gartner.. with an indictment containing 10 documents with one line summaries, related blog posts, maybe press coverage, etc. The curious can move on to the PDFs to judge for self | Jan 19 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | If we can shoot down the anal-ysts, then old CIOs that literally have lunch with Microsoft will no longer matter | Jan 19 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | CIOs are already being thrown aside... it's an aged concept | Jan 19 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | You can search the Wiki for dupes | Jan 19 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | Put a substring of the doc #. | Jan 19 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | Like "px0333" and see what comes up | Jan 19 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | It's then possible to merge information too. | Jan 19 23:06 |
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| twitter | a table with page name, linking to op-edge, synopsis and text status would help us organize the work of getting the text out. from there, you can weave the story that the facts create. | Jan 19 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | What if you want to slice the table by topic? | Jan 19 23:07 |
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| twitter | that is something you topic pages do. | Jan 19 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | Also, some exhibits belong in more than one topic, so one page per topic would be good | Jan 19 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | Then it's linked to from all relevant topic, in due time. | Jan 19 23:07 |
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| twitter | topic pages can link back to the text pages | Jan 19 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Jan 19 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | Think of a non-tree-strctured site | Jan 19 23:08 |
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| twitter | the table I'm thinking of is just a work page | Jan 19 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | One where there are very diverse relationships between pages... like Wikipedia | Jan 19 23:08 |
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| twitter | right, it is a wiki | Jan 19 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | But it will take work.. I do it every day and two more people do the same. | Jan 19 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | And it'g GNU licenced | Jan 19 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | You can replicate the whole thing and fork | Jan 19 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | I don't own anything there... it's intended to inform, that's all | Jan 19 23:09 |
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| twitter | right | Jan 19 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | The more places it appears in, the merrier. BN is not a business but a campign | Jan 19 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | *sign | Jan 19 23:09 |
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| twitter | you are talking to someone named "twitter" :) | Jan 19 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | twitter is no business either, yet. | Jan 19 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | It's weird how many FOSS people go there. | Jan 19 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | There are AGPL-lic-ed alternatives | Jan 19 23:10 |
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| twitter | I had my name before the microblog | Jan 19 23:10 |
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| twitter | ha ha | Jan 19 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | See http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/01/enou... | Jan 19 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | He wrote to me the other day | Jan 19 23:11 |
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| twitter | cool | Jan 19 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | He's a huge advocate.. he likes my work | Jan 19 23:11 |
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| twitter | Everyone likes your work | Jan 19 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | Not really. | Jan 19 23:12 |
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| tessier_ | SweatyB doesn't. | Jan 19 23:12 |
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| tessier_ | BillG doesn't. | Jan 19 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's trolls don't | Jan 19 23:12 |
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| tessier_ | There's a whole lot of folks who hate Roy's guts! ;) | Jan 19 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | But they are convicted criminals | Jan 19 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | Which doesn't mean much in the US if you are rich | Jan 19 23:13 |
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| twitter | too bad. well, I've got a little something to do. I'll be back later. let me know if you make that list. shoot it to me by email and I'll be able to work on making text and let you know if anything interesting is in it. | Jan 19 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. | Jan 19 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | I want to turn the petition (public domain sort of) into a primer to Microsoft crime. There, I said "crime". | Jan 19 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | The meat of that petition makes you go crazy if you think what they got away with. "Fucking off" businesses and "tilting them into a death spiral" by bribing, sabotaging, etc. They really don't want this stuff visible to the broad public | Jan 19 23:15 |
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| MinceR | gn | Jan 19 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | One person wrote last week to say the DOJ was insane to go with the Netscape storyline because that was PEANUTS... the rest if proper crime, but revisionism from trolls makes it misunderstoof. | Jan 19 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://fred.dao2.com/?p=88 "A friend of mine was telling me how she went to buy a new computer, asked to have Linux on it, and was told “Linux is not good for you at home” and that she shouldn’t worry, they’ll just install her Windows XP and all the things she really needs, “for free”. Yes this happened in China, but it probably already happened elsewhere." | Jan 19 23:18 |
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| *r0ver is now known as r0ver|brb | Jan 19 23:26 |
| schestowitz | 'Lost in Space' robot actor Bob May dies < http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/200... > | Jan 19 23:27 |
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| *tessier (n=treed@mail.copilotconsulting.com) has joined #boycottnovell | Jan 19 23:28 |
| schestowitz | :-( Gentoo Newsletter - An Alternative Solution http://allenjb.me.uk/blog/gentoo-newslet... | Jan 19 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://seekingalpha.com/article/115286-why... "Thank you for taking the time to expose one of the distinguishing characteristics of a segement of our current generation of technology journalists. They don't dig for the facts to verify and build credible evidence for their ascertions. " | Jan 19 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | That's the guy who said Linux was created by HP and IBM | Jan 19 23:32 |
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