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01.20.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 19th, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 10:08 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz PC sales down in EU (shuuucks horror!) and DSGi announces new chairman in eye of retail storm < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/01/… > Jan 19 19:11
schestowitz No upgrade cycle = no forced purchases of Viduh. Jan 19 19:11
PetoKraus FFFFFFFFff Jan 19 19:14
PetoKraus snow doesn’t go well with footbal Jan 19 19:14
PetoKraus *ll Jan 19 19:14
PetoKraus obama quits? :) Jan 19 19:14
jose schestowitz, i got an error several times (after a long connection wait) trying to post to bn.. will try in a bit Jan 19 19:15
PetoKraus schestowitz: they already did Jan 19 19:15
PetoKraus spam suing spam Jan 19 19:15
PetoKraus ;) Jan 19 19:15
schestowitz Eek.. Jan 19 19:17
schestowitz Who did they sue? Jan 19 19:18
schestowitz Some Linux backers upset about selection of Silverlight to stream Obama inauguration events < http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3302 > Dems for Crim[inals] Jan 19 19:19
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/article/157934/.html?tk=rss_main “Though not available from the channel’s main page or playlists, all videos on the ChangeDotGov  YouTube channel now give the downloading option. The MPEG4 (H.264) file can then be easily added to iTunes and your iPod/iPhone.” Greasemonkey already does this Jan 19 19:21
schestowitz AMD to Cut 1,100 Jobs and Slash Salaries Across Company < http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3302 > Jan 19 19:32
schestowitz Oops. http://www.pcworld.com/article/157931/amd_to_… Jan 19 19:32
schestowitz UFO man arrested over Obama threats < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/485… > Jan 19 19:35
schestowitz trmanco: didn’t the Microsoft shill Scott Douglas make similar threats in USENET? Jan 19 19:35
trmanco who is he? Jan 19 19:35
trmanco goes by which nickname? Jan 19 19:36
trmanco or nym? Jan 19 19:36
schestowitz Ezekiel (speudonym) Jan 19 19:36
schestowitz *pseu Jan 19 19:36
schestowitz He also threatened to “slit the throat” of Linux users Jan 19 19:36
schestowitz The US government doesn’t mind disgusting AstroTurfs but death threats can have these crooks exposed to arrest Jan 19 19:37
trmanco you showed me some archives messages saying he would slit/kill Linux users throat, so yes Jan 19 19:37
trmanco archived* Jan 19 19:37
schestowitz There’s plenty Jan 19 19:39
schestowitz Around the release of VIsta, IIRC Jan 19 19:39
schestowitz Also calls for the death of the US president, although I think it was just suggestion of trials (which I agree with) Jan 19 19:39
schestowitz Search for “americkkkans” in COLA and you’ll see. Jan 19 19:39
trmanco schestowitz, are you sure? Jan 19 19:42
trmanco Your search -  americkkkans – did not match any documents. Jan 19 19:42
trmanco :| Jan 19 19:43
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jose schestowitz, might this have something to do with the sluggishness _doug was asking about? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/h… Jan 19 19:46
tessier_ I’m really hoping for a worm which causes serious collateral damage. Jan 19 19:49
tessier_ Nothing short of major economic consequences will make people take security seriously and therefore dump windows. Jan 19 19:50
MinceR m$ fanboys will keep blaming the creators of the worm as usual Jan 19 19:50
tessier_ I want a worm like this one that goes around and randomly flips least significant digits in spreadsheets. Jan 19 19:50
MinceR and ignore the horrible security record of m$ products Jan 19 19:50
tessier_ MinceR: We are once again buying Microsoft’s jelly doughnut. Jan 19 19:50
MinceR tessier_: that exists already, it’s called excel Jan 19 19:50
MinceR except it introduces greater errors than that Jan 19 19:51
MinceR (pdf) http://www.csdassn.org/software… Jan 19 19:52
schestowitz trmanco: try without the “c” Jan 19 19:57
schestowitz “amirikkkan” he wrote, IIRC Jan 19 19:57
schestowitz *meri Jan 19 19:57
schestowitz tessier_: Morris for Windows? Jan 19 19:57
trmanco http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linu… Jan 19 19:58
trmanco yep Jan 19 19:58
schestowitz MinceR: doubtful Jan 19 19:58
MinceR still, that worm would be a nice idea anyway Jan 19 19:58
schestowitz The cost of the damage (lost data etc.) will be paid by _all_ of us Jan 19 19:58
MinceR with a very subtle spreading algorithm and slowly increasing error rate :> Jan 19 19:58
schestowitz Then  MS will say “all operating systems are not secure” Jan 19 19:58
schestowitz Sheesh :-) Jan 19 19:58
MinceR they’d eventually find out and be very scared Jan 19 19:58
schestowitz Brian Valentine, Microsoft executive: “Our products just aren’t engineered for security.” Jan 19 19:59
schestowitz At least they are not “masturbating monkeys in a circus,” according to Linus Jan 19 19:59
MinceR they aren’t? Jan 19 19:59
schestowitz They are Jan 19 19:59
schestowitz I see twitter stuff Jan 19 19:59
schestowitz “OMG! How can I not become one of these…err… 10+ million victims?” Jan 19 20:00
schestowitz Answer: “Install Linux” Jan 19 20:00
MinceR i keep saying that Jan 19 20:00
tessier_ Even if Linux is worm-free because of the small market share (which I strongly dispute) it’s still safer. Jan 19 20:02
schestowitz It runs on many servers Jan 19 20:03
schestowitz And devices too…. TiVo, Android, Google DCs etc. No major problems reported there. Jan 19 20:04
schestowitz Mind you, Windows SERVERS are now being own3d by this worm.. it’s not a desktop thing requiring IE and some surfing or an attachment Jan 19 20:04
MinceR linux also runs on supercomputers and on embedded systems Jan 19 20:06
trmanco even the people who program Windows get owned Jan 19 20:10
trmanco private\genx\shell\inc\prsht.w: Jan 19 20:10
trmanco / we are such morons. Wiz97 underwent a redesign between IE4 and IE5 Jan 19 20:10
schestowitz MinceR: MS tried mainframes Jan 19 20:10
trmanco private\shell\ext\ftp\ftpdrop.cpp: Jan 19 20:10
trmanco We have to do this only because Exchange is a moron. Jan 19 20:10
MinceR yes, and there was that marketing stunt with cray Jan 19 20:10
trmanco private\shell\shdoc401\unicpp\desktop.cpp: Jan 19 20:10
trmanco / We are morons. We changed the IDeskTray interface between IE4 Jan 19 20:10
schestowitz There was an attack code published… for MAINFRAMES! Jan 19 20:10
trmanco private\shell\browseui\itbar.cpp: Jan 19 20:11
trmanco / should be fixed in the apps themselves. Morons! Jan 19 20:11
trmanco http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/20… <- old Jan 19 20:11
schestowitz re: Cray “here, have some money to live, announce to the world that WCSS (??) is great” Jan 19 20:11
schestowitz trmanco: what’s that about? Jan 19 20:11
trmanco Windows 2000 source code Jan 19 20:12
schestowitz Oh, that one. Jan 19 20:12
trmanco when it got partly leaked Jan 19 20:12
schestowitz I think I saw it Jan 19 20:12
MinceR that kuro5hin article is a praise of winblows. Jan 19 20:12
trmanco private\mvdm\wow32\wgfont.c: Jan 19 20:12
trmanco * This thunk implements the undocumented Win3.0 and Win3.1 API Jan 19 20:12
trmanco * GetCurLogFont (GDI.411). Symantec QA4.0 uses it. Jan 19 20:12
trmanco * To implement this undocumented API we will use the NT undocumented API Jan 19 20:12
trmanco OMG Jan 19 20:12
MinceR they just love undocumented APIs, don’t they? Jan 19 20:13
schestowitz Attack Unleashed for New Microsoft Mainframe Bug: “| Hackers have released code that could be used to take control of a server running Microsoft’s Host Integration Server 2006, used to connect mainframe  applications to Windows PCs.”http://www.pcworld.com/article/152… Yes, that’s why people want Windows on supercomputers… superzombies. Jan 19 20:13
schestowitz The whole ‘world’ (read: IBM) runs Linux on mainframes. No muss, no fuss. Jan 19 20:13
MinceR that’s what gives them some of the unfair advantages when they try to take over the market of an application. Jan 19 20:13
trmanco MinceR, I guess so Jan 19 20:13
schestowitz Then Microsoft puts it on a meager amount and BANG! Virus. Jan 19 20:13
schestowitz IBM tries commoditizing the platform with Linux, in order to kill Microsoft Jan 19 20:14
schestowitz But it’s not all good. They just want to sell non-Free software in other parts. Jan 19 20:14
trmanco I wonder how long the Windows 2008 HPC super computer in Japan is going to last without being compromised Jan 19 20:14
schestowitz Or replaced for technical reasons Jan 19 20:15
schestowitz I’ve seen it before. Jan 19 20:15
schestowitz Announcement about super-Windows… then “meh”… they switch back to Linux Jan 19 20:15
trmanco there are actually 4 with 2008 and 1 with 2003 Jan 19 20:16
schestowitz hpc500? Jan 19 20:17
trmanco LOL Jan 19 20:17
schestowitz top500? Jan 19 20:17
schestowitz Can’t recall it. Jan 19 20:17
trmanco yes Jan 19 20:17
trmanco more like HPC 1988 Jan 19 20:18
MinceR if ibm kills microsoft, that’s all right Jan 19 20:19
trmanco Windows HPC Server 2008 /Launch Veranstaltung/ Steigenberger Airport Hotel Frankfurt / 16.10.2008 Jan 19 20:19
MinceR they should have done it long ago Jan 19 20:19
MinceR it’s in great part ibm’s mistake that microsoft is around Jan 19 20:19
trmanco The most powerful system outside the U.S. is the Chinese-built Dawning 5000A at the Shanghai Supercomputer Center. It is the largest system which can be operated with Windows HPC 2008. Jan 19 20:20
trmanco it in China Jan 19 20:20
trmanco it’s Jan 19 20:20
schestowitz Why games are NOT the key to Linux adoption < http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/co… > Jan 19 20:20
trmanco I saw this earlier Jan 19 20:21
schestowitz China… where the govt decides everything and is in bed with Bill Jan 19 20:21
trmanco maybe Bill is in bed with China Jan 19 20:21
trmanco not the other way around :-P Jan 19 20:22
schestowitz Same thing. It takes two to do a collusionm Jan 19 20:23
schestowitz Summary of Gates@China: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/12/gates-fig… http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/31/micr… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/15/c… Jan 19 20:24
schestowitz http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/0… Jan 19 20:28
schestowitz Yay! Send them to Guantanamo bay… white-collar crime for a change… http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/200901… Jan 19 20:32
schestowitz If there were rich American, would they even be put on trial at all?? Jan 19 20:32
schestowitz OS News has its editor /still/ posting lots of 7apourware advertising. Jan 19 20:37
schestowitz Other complained as well… maybe a good candidate for deletion now that Thom talks for Microsoft more than he delivers new. Jan 19 20:38
schestowitz “Well tonight is my computer night. I get home and find that the computer isn’t functioning. What normally happens at this point is that I log into the firewall gateway to find that NTL has dropped signal. Tonight that wasn’t the case. The firewall had a disk error that EXT3 isn’t able to check – I think the disk itself has become faulty.” http://www.s5h.net/ Jan 19 20:44
schestowitz He’s hosting mirror of COLA news.. Jan 19 20:44
schestowitz Wot?? “Mary Lou Jepsen: You are most welcome. I read Groklaw as I’m able (it’s blocked in China though). ” http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?… Jan 19 20:53
schestowitz Is there a Web-based checker for China’s blacklist? Jan 19 20:53
schestowitz How to Check If Your Website Is Blocked In China or Not < http://www.labnol.org/internet/blogg… > Jan 19 20:55
schestowitz BN is not blocked in China: http://www.just-ping.com/index.php?vh… Jan 19 20:57
schestowitz Better to say nice things about China or else… ;-) Jan 19 20:57
schestowitz Someone could write to Opera’s CTO and suggest they finally Free up their browser… they are not muchly opposed to it… http://www.fsdaily.com/Legal/Why_European_C… Jan 19 21:04
schestowitz http://linuxshellaccount.blogspot.com… Jan 19 21:05
schestowitz We have just made Digg’s front page ‘by proxy’: http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_facts_be… Jan 19 21:08
schestowitz Geez… watch the Microsoft AstroTurf in Digg. For a fact they do it in Slashdot (it’s confirmed), so probably in Digg too Jan 19 21:09
trmanco ‘by proxy’ :-P Jan 19 21:15
schestowitz Like a patent troll… proxifying Jan 19 21:16
schestowitz CNET has the trolll. :-) Jan 19 21:16
schestowitz Someone has just mailed me about it.. I had no idea Jan 19 21:17
schestowitz The guy who submitted has BN in his blogroll… he runs Royal Hehe Jan 19 21:17
*kapipi has quit (Remote closed the connection) Jan 19 21:19
trmanco yep, good guy Jan 19 21:19
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schestowitz I llke his posts because they are ALL advocacy-oriented Jan 19 21:20
schestowitz Rami something.. Jan 19 21:20
schestowitz From Saudi Arabia I think… Jan 19 21:20
trmanco yep Jan 19 21:21
trmanco “Linux advocate, blogger, football (soccer) lover, Digger, social media addict, and an all-around geek. Check my lifestream on “ Jan 19 21:22
trmanco is he on cola? Jan 19 21:22
trmanco :-P Jan 19 21:22
schestowitz No. Jan 19 21:22
schestowitz I never spoke to him. Jan 19 21:22
trmanco http://twitter.com/bianconeri4ever Jan 19 21:23
trmanco I just started following him Jan 19 21:23
schestowitz Microsoft’s anti-FOSS buddies: http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayRelease… Jan 19 21:23
schestowitz http://twitter.com/bianconeri4ev… Jan 19 21:24
trmanco trillion :O Jan 19 21:25
schestowitz Yes. Jan 19 21:27
schestowitz 1 million millions Jan 19 21:27
schestowitz People can’t perceive it easily. If a billion is a lot, think about 1000 of them. Jan 19 21:27
schestowitz US debt: 10 trillion Jan 19 21:27
trmanco just stumbled upon this -> http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/07/… Jan 19 21:28
trmanco I wonder how much my country has in debt Jan 19 21:28
trmanco Jan 19 21:28
schestowitz “I’ve seen Microsoft people attend competing software special interest groups looking to get members over to their software and these lambs just let Microsoft speak.” http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=… Jan 19 21:31
schestowitz This is annoying.. they always find some lackeys who let them in Jan 19 21:31
schestowitz If they say “no”, they’ll respond “but I’m a nice guy” or “you’re such an MS hater” Jan 19 21:31
schestowitz trmanco: why did you find it? (I link to it a lot) Jan 19 21:32
trmanco 520 million euros Jan 19 21:32
schestowitz That’s nothing. Jan 19 21:32
trmanco schestowitz, found it on Google for a search on “non biased linux stats” Jan 19 21:32
trmanco something like that Jan 19 21:32
schestowitz America’s debt is about 10,000,000 million dollars Jan 19 21:33
schestowitz /s/America/US/ Jan 19 21:33
trmanco we have 10 million people Jan 19 21:33
schestowitz trmanco: I fueled this blog post like 20 times… Jan 19 21:33
trmanco the US has 200 million +/- Jan 19 21:33
schestowitz It’s a scientist who wrote it, so it helps credibility with “you’re a fanboi” excuse Jan 19 21:34
trmanco schestowitz, I like that article, I’ve seen it a couple of times too Jan 19 21:34
trmanco you pointed me to it once Jan 19 21:34
schestowitz I often do Jan 19 21:34
schestowitz Cause I don’t have need to ‘rewrite’ what he did Jan 19 21:34
schestowitz He points to: i) data; ii) methods. Both are fraudulent at best, IMHO Jan 19 21:35
schestowitz BN stats for January Jan 19 21:35
schestowitz Windows167455850.1 % Jan 19 21:36
schestowitz Linux117171535.1 % Jan 19 21:36
schestowitz Checkmate… Linux is close to beating Windows. Case closed. Jan 19 21:36
schestowitz Says my ‘study’ Jan 19 21:36
schestowitz Linux 2.6 kernel Storage Tuning Tips < http://blog.hydrasystemsllc.com/2009/01… > Jan 19 21:37
trmanco yay Jan 19 21:37
*schestowitz has just begun linking Comes petition to smoking guns (exhibits) Jan 19 21:38
schestowitz I wrote about this yesterday: http://www.linux-magazine.com/online… Jan 19 21:38
schestowitz Martin Luther King  today…….. Jan 19 21:42
schestowitz Maybe I should post relevant videos… Jan 19 21:42
jose soon it will be “yesterday” Jan 19 21:43
schestowitz I happened to watch these yesterday. Mind what he says about Martin Luther… John William Templeton looks at Free Open Source Software and African American culture and innovation 01 (2004) http://www.archive.org/download/e-dv158_sf_02… Jan 19 21:43
jose ok, not exactly “soon” but evening is almost here on the east coast Jan 19 21:43
schestowitz jose: yes, Carla almost forgot Jan 19 21:43
schestowitz I put some pointers there. Jan 19 21:43
jose i forgot as well for a while Jan 19 21:43
schestowitz http://www.google.com/ Jan 19 21:44
schestowitz Google doesn’t care about him anymore? Jan 19 21:44
schestowitz I’m pretty sure they made a tribute before… Jan 19 21:44
jose that link about the 1% linux share was good. Jan 19 21:44
schestowitz Maybe just for US visitors.. Jan 19 21:44
schestowitz jose: what do you see in google.com? Jan 19 21:44
jose you are right! Jan 19 21:44
jose earlier today they did have their little tribute Jan 19 21:44
schestowitz I don’t get it in the UK Jan 19 21:44
jose odd they’d remove it so soon Jan 19 21:45
schestowitz Maybe they localize [sic] Jan 19 21:45
jose well, i did get it earlier but not now Jan 19 21:45
jose maybe a cookie or something Jan 19 21:45
schestowitz The never-dying cookie from Google :-|| Jan 19 21:45
jose i hadn’t thought about the localize thing but of course.. since holidays vary so much around the world… duh Jan 19 21:45
schestowitz “Never accept a cookie from a stranger… or Google” Jan 19 21:46
jose update Jan 19 21:46
jose google does have it Jan 19 21:46
jose i went to google.com/firefox start page just now Jan 19 21:46
schestowitz OK Jan 19 21:46
schestowitz In schestowitz.com I fetch time of date Jan 19 21:46
jose to clarify.. the google.com has it but the google.com/firefox page does not Jan 19 21:46
schestowitz Using JS it gets user’s time… on PHP I can only fetch server time (Belfast) Jan 19 21:47
schestowitz Or London actually. Jan 19 21:47
schestowitz SJVN ran out of material: http://blogs.computerworld.com/the_best… Jan 19 21:47
jose besides using websites that likely will be visited by windows more (eg, microsoft.com, etc).. Jan 19 21:47
schestowitz I notice that he /always/ pushes all his posts into LT Jan 19 21:48
jose you can always have windows send queries unto the internet.. Jan 19 21:48
jose to websites that are members of that marketing group Jan 19 21:48
jose and might such a group have a greater than average number of MS gold partners as members? Jan 19 21:49
schestowitz Adieu, Michel Rocard – et Merci http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/01… “Free software loses a good friend in the European Parliament: Michel Rocard, fierce opponent of software patents, is resigning. Sad day, but thanks, mon vieux.” Did anyone pull a Quinn? ;-) Jan 19 21:49
schestowitz Microsoft’s antithesis on the Web:  The Digital Preservation Coalition < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/0… > Jan 19 21:50
trmanco http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/linuxhaxo… Jan 19 21:50
trmanco :| Jan 19 21:50
trmanco http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2009/01/19/on… Jan 19 21:50
schestowitz He’s spamming Digg Jan 19 21:52
schestowitz Shout-spamming and SEO networks. So I don’t care much for him anymore (pavs) Jan 19 21:52
trmanco OT: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pi… Jan 19 21:54
schestowitz Seagate gets what it deserves other than layoffs: Complaints flood Seagate over hard drive problems < http://www.computerworld.com/action/article… >. They preinstall Windows softwrae on raw h/w Jan 19 21:54
schestowitz trmanco: good link Jan 19 21:55
schestowitz Two points: Jan 19 21:55
schestowitz 1. Blloomberg is one among many ‘big’ sites that are foolish enough not to <title> their pages (I don’t know why) Jan 19 21:55
trmanco you like it? hmm, I just thought it would be partly ignored Jan 19 21:56
schestowitz 2. I often wonder how much of these boats, buildings, planes, etc. are ‘on loan’ in the sense that the US will have to get rid of these and pay off debt. The same goes for big companies whose value is in a freefall (becoming prey to Chinese companies) Jan 19 21:57
trmanco <title> Jan 19 21:57
trmanco         Bloomberg.com: Jan 19 21:57
trmanco             Worldwide</title> Jan 19 21:57
trmanco non related title Jan 19 21:57
schestowitz Yes Jan 19 21:57
trmanco they should find a good groups of programmers to fix the site Jan 19 21:57
schestowitz Bad hypertext too Jan 19 21:57
trmanco and integrate RSS on it, we are not living in the internet ice age Jan 19 21:58
schestowitz \n\template\n\Worldwide Jan 19 21:58
trmanco they should get rid of the table bloat template too Jan 19 21:58
schestowitz I hadn’t realised there was no RSS either. Jan 19 21:58
schestowitz It’s complicated Jan 19 21:58
schestowitz They have a CMS. Jan 19 21:59
trmanco I get their updates from newslookup Jan 19 21:59
schestowitz They also build and shape the articles to fit existing layout Jan 19 21:59
schestowitz That’s why I hardly change (nor /can/ change) BN Jan 19 21:59
schestowitz ” To contact the reporter on this story: Adam Haigh in London at ahaigh1@bloomberg.net. “ Jan 19 21:59
schestowitz Why not comments? Jan 19 21:59
trmanco yeah, no comments I haven’t checked that Jan 19 22:00
trmanco another good point to remodel the website template Jan 19 22:01
schestowitz The interaction model is broken Jan 19 22:02
schestowitz Like old-style Inquirer Jan 19 22:02
schestowitz They inherit the limitations of physical paper as though these are DESIRABLE Jan 19 22:02
trmanco http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/story.as… Jan 19 22:02
schestowitz I saw the same thing in academia Jan 19 22:02
schestowitz I set up Wikis for us to coedit papers Jan 19 22:02
trmanco they should follow marketwatch’s example Jan 19 22:02
schestowitz But they carry on sending E-mails with attachments around Jan 19 22:03
schestowitz (and make conflicting edits) Jan 19 22:03
trmanco they changed layout recently, and they changed to a better and more clean one Jan 19 22:03
schestowitz MarketWatch does too much Dvorakism. Jan 19 22:03
trmanco what is that? Jan 19 22:03
trmanco Dvorakism? Jan 19 22:03
schestowitz TheStreet redesigned too Jan 19 22:03
schestowitz They sacked one of their horrible ‘comedians’ Jan 19 22:03
schestowitz John C Dvorak Jan 19 22:04
schestowitz IDG links to its masters at IDC with lies about Linux: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Red-Hat-CEO… Jan 19 22:05
trmanco http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Dvorak Jan 19 22:05
schestowitz Classic for my next part abott IDC corruption Jan 19 22:05
schestowitz They measure revenue, not growtth Jan 19 22:05
schestowitz That’s the ‘Microsoft standards’ for measuring things Jan 19 22:06
schestowitz It makes Linux (free) look bad. Jan 19 22:06
schestowitz Gillen and his Gang of liars must be getting paid well for these lies. Jan 19 22:06
trmanco “Paris because sex sells, unlike Vista………” Jan 19 22:09
trmanco OMG Jan 19 22:09
schestowitz Paris? Jan 19 22:11
schestowitz Paris and Vista… both built upon plastic surgeries. Jan 19 22:11
schestowitz And America (US) is sometimes compared to a nation ‘on steroids’ (exploiting energy or money it does not really have) Jan 19 22:12
trmanco http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/1… Jan 19 22:13
schestowitz Paris with glasses *lOL* Jan 19 22:16
trmanco Windows10174471 % Jan 19 22:19
trmanco Linux3004620.9 % Jan 19 22:19
trmanco Unknown102257.1 % Jan 19 22:19
trmanco Macintosh9420.6 % Jan 19 22:19
schestowitz The comments here are horrid, buried, and many are probably MS lackeys: http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_fa… Jan 19 22:19
schestowitz trmanco: source? Jan 19 22:19
schestowitz OpenMaina? Jan 19 22:19
trmanco one of my sites Jan 19 22:19
trmanco yes Jan 19 22:19
trmanco I consider it a little biased Jan 19 22:19
schestowitz We suck in all the “Linux” ‘market share’ Jan 19 22:19
schestowitz We leave nothing to ParisHilton and all kinds of rubbish that lends data to ‘surveys’ Jan 19 22:20
trmanco I wonder what is unknown Jan 19 22:20
schestowitz Could be Linux Jan 19 22:20
schestowitz Surely not Windows Jan 19 22:20
schestowitz A lot of “Windows” is  zombie traffic Jan 19 22:20
schestowitz MSIE. Jan 19 22:20
trmanco FirefoxNo6698446.7 % Jan 19 22:20
trmanco MS Internet ExplorerNo5752740.1 % Jan 19 22:20
trmanco Unknown?91846.4 % Jan 19 22:20
trmanco OperaNo29092 % Jan 19 22:20
trmanco SafariNo28021.9 % Jan 19 22:20
trmanco MozillaNo21101.4 % Jan 19 22:20
trmanco Google Chrome Jan 19 22:20
trmanco I better start ‘educating’ my visitors in this browser part Jan 19 22:21
schestowitz Pull a Slated Jan 19 22:21
schestowitz He blocks all IE Jan 19 22:21
tessier_ I used to have a javascript popup for anyone who was using IE. Jan 19 22:22
schestowitz If I blocked IE in BN, only 10% would be turned away Jan 19 22:22
schestowitz tessier_: good lad Jan 19 22:22
jose otoh, you want windows using people to read bn Jan 19 22:22
jose I’m going to go very soon. Jan 19 22:23
MinceR what’s zombie traffic looking for? vulnerabilities in the web server? Jan 19 22:23
schestowitz M$pinner:  Microsoft Attacked By EU For Same Practices That Apple/Linux Use :  http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/01/18/micros… Jan 19 22:23
tessier_ I didn’t block them from the site, just made them see a warning that told them something better was available. Jan 19 22:23
schestowitz $pin $pin $pin $pin Jan 19 22:23
schestowitz MinceR: all sort of stuff, even DDOS. Jan 19 22:24
MinceR tessier_: i think the best way is putting up a yellow(?) bar like what IE itself uses Jan 19 22:24
MinceR iirc someone did that Jan 19 22:24
*schestowitz been hit by DDOS before.. all MSIE Jan 19 22:24
MinceR schestowitz: oh, i thought this was over the web generally Jan 19 22:24
schestowitz MinceR: WordPress does this Jan 19 22:24
MinceR huh? Jan 19 22:24
schestowitz The admin panel puts an icon at the bottom Jan 19 22:24
schestowitz Links to http://browsehappy.com/ Jan 19 22:25
MinceR oh, that Jan 19 22:25
MinceR i thought it does DDoS :) Jan 19 22:25
*Tallken (n=f2f93bf5@93.102.98.99.rev.optimus.pt) has joined #boycottnovell Jan 19 22:27
jose warn ie users they are surfing unsafely Jan 19 22:27
jose i think that’s what you said, roy.. or something like that come to think of it Jan 19 22:27
jose see you people later. Jan 19 22:27
Tallken schestowitz, !!!! Jan 19 22:27
MinceR o/ Jan 19 22:27
Tallken schestowitz, you’ve been mentioned by C|net Jan 19 22:27
Tallken !!!!!! Jan 19 22:27
*jose has quit (“Leaving”) Jan 19 22:28
schestowitz Hey Jan 19 22:28
schestowitz Yes, I know, but it’s not exciting. Jan 19 22:28
schestowitz The /. link last week (to EDGI) was more helpful to FOSS. It showed new things. Jan 19 22:29
Tallken I haven’t been following any site, the C|Net one just kinda popped up here Jan 19 22:29
Tallken I gotta go, just came here to warn ya in case you didn’t know already :) Jan 19 22:29
Tallken cya! Jan 19 22:29
schestowitz Tallken: cnet mentioned us some days ago Jan 19 22:30
schestowitz It’s also in Digg’s front page Jan 19 22:31
Tallken cool :D Jan 19 22:31
schestowitz I want the EU commission to see this stuff Jan 19 22:31
schestowitz They have lots of things to pick up… better than the Opera stint. Jan 19 22:31
trmanco schestowitz, confirmed Jan 19 22:32
trmanco fissssshy is back Jan 19 22:32
trmanco … or maybe a new person is reaing you logs and posting’em to cola Jan 19 22:32
trmanco reading* Jan 19 22:32
*schestowitz looks Jan 19 22:32
schestowitz “roy” Jan 19 22:33
trmanco I don’t get it Jan 19 22:33
trmanco why d they all use gmail accounts Jan 19 22:33
schestowitz He’s being stupid Jan 19 22:34
schestowitz He’s just sending people to our site, trmanco Jan 19 22:34
trmanco yeah, Jan 19 22:35
trmanco but still Jan 19 22:35
schestowitz Drawing out one line among like 1000… including your picks Jan 19 22:35
twitter More like someone at M$ is throwing chairs over all the Comes vrs M$ postings. Jan 19 22:35
schestowitz They are wasting their times reading IRC Jan 19 22:35
trmanco these ‘sometimes’ personal attacks should stop Jan 19 22:35
schestowitz Shouldn’t they be cr*apflooding Slashdot? Jan 19 22:35
twitter I like the Matt Asay link. Jan 19 22:35
twitter He gives M$ too much credit about their “crossing the line” Jan 19 22:36
*Tallken has quit (Client Quit) Jan 19 22:36
twitter today’s story has that nice quote about changing TCO model to get the right results. Jan 19 22:36
twitter I hope this gets some loving, but It’s already been modded down.  http://slashdot.org/firehose… Jan 19 22:37
twitter The EDGI story that front paged probably got a lot of attention in Redmond, and you have kept it coming since. Jan 19 22:38
twitter The wiki has great potential.  Have you posted the list of “interesting” documents there so that other people can help you convert to text? Jan 19 22:38
schestowitz Yes, sort of Jan 19 22:42
schestowitz Would you help us? Jan 19 22:42
schestowitz I have begun linking from the petition. Jan 19 22:42
schestowitz It’s NOT available elsewhere. Other lawyers can now pick it up, along with goof scans of evidence. Jan 19 22:42
schestowitz I envision each doc having a synopsis (I produced full text for some) and then linked to from several overview pages that cover a topic (like tags) Jan 19 22:43
schestowitz So you arrive at the Wiki, choose a topic Jan 19 22:43
schestowitz You are then presented with a one line summary to each exhibit on this topic Jan 19 22:43
schestowitz Upon clicking, you get extended summary, maybe full text and also the full PDF (that’s the easy part) Jan 19 22:44
schestowitz I have about 400 posts in BN that cover Comes (posted since 2006) Jan 19 22:44
twitter very cool, of course I’d like to help Jan 19 22:46
schestowitz Okay, here’s what we can do. Jan 19 22:47
schestowitz Eventually, we’ll publish the polished stuff (with attributions where suitable) Jan 19 22:47
schestowitz In the Petition, I’ve begun chaining pages by adding “(c/f “[[PAGE_NAME]]”)” Jan 19 22:48
schestowitz This corresponds to existing pages Jan 19 22:48
schestowitz Another thing that needs doing is tidying up of the memos already there. Jan 19 22:48
schestowitz Over 200 are pending addition. Jan 19 22:49
schestowitz Tomorrow I’ll do a post on IDC. Jan 19 22:49
twitter where is the Petition? Jan 19 22:49
schestowitz Hold on. Jan 19 22:49
schestowitz You’d enjoy reading it too if you haven’t. Jan 19 22:50
twitter :) Jan 19 22:50
schestowitz Part 1: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.p… Part 2: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php… Jan 19 22:50
schestowitz Most of the heavy stuff is in part 2 Jan 19 22:50
schestowitz I had to slice it to be scalable. Jan 19 22:50
schestowitz We don’t worry about layout at this stage. We’ll do a template later Jan 19 22:51
schestowitz it’s about linking and gathering the evidence ATM Jan 19 22:51
schestowitz Need to merge these: http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-m… Jan 19 22:52
schestowitz All That Matters for Now is Out-of-the-Box Experience < http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2009/01/15/all… > Jan 19 22:54
twitter I see the text page.  Lots of good stuff by Doug Menthol Jan 19 22:56
twitter Mentohl Jan 19 22:56
schestowitz Yes, pseudonym Jan 19 22:57
twitter So, do you have a pile of pdfs to look at?  Linking from the petition looks like something you have a handle on. Jan 19 22:58
schestowitz Some things that I’d miss on moving from Linux to Windows < http://technologytales.com/2009/01/17/some-th… > Jan 19 22:58
schestowitz Yes, I don’t have all the PDFs (about 2.2GB on BN), but I might do that Jan 19 22:59
schestowitz There are already 3 complele mirrors that I know of. Jan 19 22:59
schestowitz So making complete archival record id not necessary Jan 19 22:59
schestowitz gotthefacts, antitrust.slated and EDGE-OP are good ‘backup’ Jan 19 22:59
twitter What I’d like is directions to interesting pdfs and the ability to put the text into the wiki.  If you could make a list of those, pointing to edge-op and friends, I can get to work when I have time. Jan 19 23:00
twitter synopsis would be a good start Jan 19 23:00
twitter full text for the really interesting stuff, like their attack on Walmart. Jan 19 23:01
twitter An author name on the wiki would be sufficient attribution for me.  :) Jan 19 23:02
twitter wiki keeps track of diff, right? Jan 19 23:02
schestowitz Excellent. Jan 19 23:02
schestowitz We already have many memos that have small extractions Jan 19 23:03
schestowitz About 60 of them in the Wiki Jan 19 23:03
schestowitz Synopsis can either be portions of interest or explanation of what’s inside Jan 19 23:03
schestowitz The page title is not the Doc number (e.g. PX04226) but something memorable Jan 19 23:03
schestowitz Like… this is the “Gates versus Linux BIOS” smoking gun Jan 19 23:04
schestowitz It’s easier to locate this way too Jan 19 23:04
schestowitz Ideally, once done: Jan 19 23:04
twitter cool, but we can’t forget the original title or we will duplicate work. Jan 19 23:04
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schestowitz You have a page on a topic/subject.. say Gartner.. with an indictment containing 10 documents with one line summaries, related blog posts, maybe press coverage, etc. The curious can move on to the PDFs to judge for self Jan 19 23:05
schestowitz If we can shoot down the anal-ysts, then old CIOs that literally have lunch with Microsoft will no longer matter Jan 19 23:05
schestowitz CIOs are already being thrown aside… it’s an aged concept Jan 19 23:05
schestowitz You can search the Wiki for dupes Jan 19 23:06
schestowitz Put a substring of the doc #. Jan 19 23:06
schestowitz Like “px0333″ and see what comes up Jan 19 23:06
schestowitz It’s then possible to merge information too. Jan 19 23:06
twitter a table with page name, linking to op-edge, synopsis and text status would help us organize the work of getting the text out.  from there, you can weave the story that the facts create. Jan 19 23:06
schestowitz What if you want to slice the table by topic? Jan 19 23:07
twitter that is something you topic pages do. Jan 19 23:07
schestowitz Also, some exhibits belong in more than one topic, so one page per topic would be good Jan 19 23:07
schestowitz Then it’s linked to from all relevant topic, in due time. Jan 19 23:07
twitter topic pages can link back to the text pages Jan 19 23:07
schestowitz Yes. Jan 19 23:07
schestowitz Think of a non-tree-strctured site Jan 19 23:08
twitter the table I’m thinking of is just a work page Jan 19 23:08
schestowitz One where there are very diverse relationships between pages… like Wikipedia Jan 19 23:08
twitter right, it is a wiki Jan 19 23:08
schestowitz But it will take work.. I do it every day and two more people do the same. Jan 19 23:08
schestowitz And it’g GNU licenced Jan 19 23:09
schestowitz You can replicate the whole thing and fork Jan 19 23:09
schestowitz I don’t own anything there… it’s intended to inform, that’s all Jan 19 23:09
twitter right Jan 19 23:09
schestowitz The more places it appears in, the merrier. BN is not a business but a campign Jan 19 23:09
schestowitz *sign Jan 19 23:09
twitter you are talking to someone named “twitter” :) Jan 19 23:09
schestowitz twitter is no business either, yet. Jan 19 23:10
schestowitz It’s weird how many FOSS people go there. Jan 19 23:10
schestowitz There are AGPL-lic-ed alternatives Jan 19 23:10
twitter I had my name before the microblog Jan 19 23:10
twitter ha ha Jan 19 23:10
schestowitz See http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/01/enou… Jan 19 23:11
schestowitz He wrote to me the other day Jan 19 23:11
twitter cool Jan 19 23:11
schestowitz He’s a huge advocate.. he likes my work Jan 19 23:11
twitter Everyone likes your work Jan 19 23:11
schestowitz Not really. Jan 19 23:12
tessier_ SweatyB doesn’t. Jan 19 23:12
tessier_ BillG doesn’t. Jan 19 23:12
schestowitz Microsoft’s trolls don’t Jan 19 23:12
tessier_ There’s a whole lot of folks who hate Roy’s guts! ;) Jan 19 23:12
schestowitz But they are convicted criminals Jan 19 23:12
schestowitz Which doesn’t mean much in the US if you are rich Jan 19 23:13
twitter too bad.  well, I’ve got a little something to do.  I’ll be back later.  let me know if you make that list.  shoot it to me by email and I’ll be able to work on making text and let you know if anything interesting is in it. Jan 19 23:13
schestowitz Thanks. Jan 19 23:14
schestowitz I want to turn the petition (public domain sort of) into a primer to Microsoft crime. There, I said “crime”. Jan 19 23:14
schestowitz The meat of that petition makes you go crazy if you think what they got away with. “Fucking off” businesses and “tilting them into a death spiral” by bribing, sabotaging, etc. They really don’t want this stuff visible to the broad public Jan 19 23:15
MinceR gn Jan 19 23:16
schestowitz One person wrote last week to say the DOJ was insane to go with the Netscape storyline because that was PEANUTS… the rest if proper crime, but revisionism from trolls makes it misunderstoof. Jan 19 23:16
schestowitz http://fred.dao2.com/?p=88 “A friend of mine was telling me how she went to buy a new computer, asked to have Linux on it, and was told “Linux is not good for you at home” and that she shouldn’t worry, they’ll just install her Windows XP and all the things she really needs, “for free”. Yes this happened in China, but it probably already happened elsewhere.” Jan 19 23:18
*r0ver is now known as r0ver|brb Jan 19 23:26
schestowitz ‘Lost in Space’ robot actor Bob May dies < http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/200… > Jan 19 23:27
*tessier (n=treed@mail.copilotconsulting.com) has joined #boycottnovell Jan 19 23:28
schestowitz :-( Gentoo Newsletter – An Alternative Solution http://allenjb.me.uk/blog/gentoo-newslet… Jan 19 23:29
schestowitz http://seekingalpha.com/article/115286-why… “Thank you for taking the time to expose one of the distinguishing characteristics of a segement of our current generation of technology journalists. They don’t dig for the facts to verify and build credible evidence for their ascertions. “ Jan 19 23:31
schestowitz That’s the guy who said Linux was created by HP and IBM Jan 19 23:32
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