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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 21st, 2009 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:50 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


Enter the IRC channel now

schestowitz “is x reader for the y?” = x is not ready for y Jan 21 00:00
schestowitz “x will kill y” = y will cease to exist, so don’t bet on it Jan 21 00:00
schestowitz “Obama chooses X” = X is hip Jan 21 00:00
schestowitz “all x is bad” = don’t accuse any company, x, of y (be it security issues, crime, etc.) Jan 21 00:01
moogstrap it’s so terribly fuddish. I mean, I switched because of Vista. Etch, supposedly a professionals-only distro to a lot of people (most of whom will never have used it). Sheesh, anyone could do it Jan 21 00:02
moogstrap I really get tired of all those articles about switching from product A to B. As if it’ll give you emotional anguish and heartbreak and a life-changing  epithany Jan 21 00:03
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_st… “[This message has been sponsored with Microsoft money.] “ Jan 21 00:05
moogstrap hahah Jan 21 00:06
schestowitz Good post: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn… Jan 21 00:07
schestowitz LinuxToday is very aware of the Mono plague, unlike Lxer Jan 21 00:07
moogstrap I don’t have them in my rss. I’ll add them Jan 21 00:10
schestowitz Who? Jan 21 00:10
schestowitz Linux Today? Jan 21 00:10
schestowitz it has MS ads. Jan 21 00:10
schestowitz I’m no fan, but the picks from Carla are decent. Jan 21 00:10
schestowitz I wonder what Rubin’s departure from Android Team means… http://www.pmptoday.com/2009/01/19/sciphone-… Jan 21 00:12
moogstrap yeah but, I mean I remember a site (can’t remember the URL) that arranged political cartoons and editorials based on political bias. So the reader can happily go and read something they already agree with.  I don’t like that. I get a kick out reading childish rants and hilariously ill-formed opinion pieces in any newspaper. My rss is the same. The pro-MS stuff splurged all over the place is pretty fascinating Jan 21 00:12
schestowitz It’s risky to feed it Jan 21 00:13
schestowitz I dislike it when Linux sites link to anti-Linux baitr Jan 21 00:13
schestowitz That gives it visibility and asks for more Jan 21 00:13
schestowitz PJ agrees with me on that… we just ignore Linux-hoctile stuff (like the “Linux killer” chant) Jan 21 00:14
schestowitz *hostile Jan 21 00:14
moogstrap ah Jan 21 00:14
schestowitz Thank you for the good link. Jan 21 00:16
schestowitz Here’s another goodie with another goodie coming tomorrow. Jan 21 00:16
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/20… Jan 21 00:16
schestowitz Jim Allchin: “We Feel a Huge Threat from Linux” Jan 21 00:16
moogstrap I suppose. I do notice the inevitable debates that follow are often completely futile. . The amount of effort that goes into them.I The worst offender for that is probably wikipedia, though Jan 21 00:17
schestowitz Yes Jan 21 00:17
schestowitz I like Wikipedia overall. Jan 21 00:17
schestowitz It commotised knowledge, despite all the wrinkles Jan 21 00:17
schestowitz *commoditised Jan 21 00:17
moogstrap when was the last time you used any other encyclopaedia? Jan 21 00:17
moogstrap yeah I saw that. It’s amazing to see those guys discussing Linux in that way Jan 21 00:18
schestowitz MS will try EDGI in VT: http://www.infopackets.com/news/government/… (Vietnam State Agencies To Be 100% Open Source by 2010) Jan 21 00:18
schestowitz Be ready for some MOU or some big deal with Ballmer shaking some hands… with amazing discounts or something Jan 21 00:19
moogstrap remember when the record execs said nobody would want MP3s? Lossy, no record sleeve to oogle etc. The same was said about VHS and all that went before. WIkipedia is the same. The information might be erroneous, but ut it’s a hell of a lot easier and accessible, just like MP3s Jan 21 00:19
moogstrap yeah I’ll be watching that. Catastrophic failures, if there any, will be forced Jan 21 00:21
schestowitz Tomorrow I will post: Jim Allchin (2002): “There’s Going to Be a Patent Lawsuit on Linux” (Analysts Cartel Part V) Jan 21 00:23
schestowitz A nice girl from Arizona take a look before I post the bigger ones… spotting typos voluntarily… really nice of her. Jan 21 00:24
schestowitz *takes Jan 21 00:24
moogstrap on a vaguely related note, does it ever bother you that so many native English-speakers are so, well, illiterate?  I Jan 21 00:26
moogstrap maybe it’s the company I keep. Who knows Jan 21 00:26
schestowitz What’s troublesome is the number of people who are uni-ligual  (yest complain about other people’s improper English) Jan 21 00:27
schestowitz *lingual (yet Jan 21 00:27
schestowitz Try this page with JS disabled and see what happens: http://www.edn.com/blog/920000692/post/… Those people who are attacking people’s right to no-JS (privacy) are a real menace Jan 21 00:30
moogstrap just as an example, one of the Filipino guys I worked with once used to give me spelling tests. Because, he told me, that so many British people he met couldn’t spell. It was a source of humour for him Jan 21 00:31
schestowitz Let me find something. Jan 21 00:32
schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archi… Jan 21 00:32
schestowitz I found it in Beanger’s blog. He scored about 85, IIRC. Jan 21 00:32
moogstrap you got 94 eh? Let’s see how badly I do Jan 21 00:33
schestowitz I could do better Jan 21 00:33
schestowitz A second pass through my answer would correct these Jan 21 00:33
schestowitz Except 3 or 4 Jan 21 00:33
schestowitz Oh god… Jan 21 00:35
schestowitz Paul Ryan is again sucking up to Miguel.. Jan 21 00:35
schestowitz http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090120-ob… Jan 21 00:35
schestowitz *Ryan Paul, not Paul Ryan Jan 21 00:35
moogstrap A lot of these are past-tense vs past-participle questions. They can be deadly Jan 21 00:35
schestowitz Yes, they are Jan 21 00:35
schestowitz I did it impatiently cause I knew I’d beat Beranger Jan 21 00:36
schestowitz http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090120-obama… Jan 21 00:37
schestowitz Oops.  http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&… Jan 21 00:37
moogstrap hrmm. This whole idea of linux having to play catch up has to die already. Jan 21 00:37
tessier_ Linux has been around longer than any version of Windows at this point. Jan 21 00:38
tessier_ It’s Windows that needs to play catchup. Jan 21 00:38
tessier_ Linux got the virus/worm thing figured out a long time ago. Windows still hasn’t. Jan 21 00:38
schestowitz tessier: UNIX did :-) Jan 21 00:39
schestowitz Linux followed the good principles model Jan 21 00:39
schestowitz *pled Jan 21 00:39
tessier_ True Jan 21 00:40
tessier_ Remind people that the first (and only) headline making Linux/Unix worm was the Morris worm back in the 80′s. Jan 21 00:40
tessier_ People do actually bother to target it. There was even a MySQL running on Windows worm going around a few years ago. It’s not market share that people go after. It’s easy targets. Jan 21 00:41
schestowitz At Microsoft, security was an afterthought, which means (b/w)compatibility nightmare : http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-microsoft/… Jan 21 00:41
tessier_ And Windows is the easy target. There hasn’t been another worm that went anywhere since the Morris worm. Jan 21 00:41
schestowitz tessier: replicability too. Jan 21 00:42
schestowitz It’s hard to pass/infect from a Linux user account . Jan 21 00:42
schestowitz DDOS and spam are another issue. Jan 21 00:42
schestowitz Weird new comment from “Old Novell employee”: “As a past Novell employee I was told to post to these sites in defense of Novell and it was driven by my boss at then Novell. Yes you are correct in saying it is a dictate to employees at Novell by management to act this way.” http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/09/novell-… Jan 21 00:43
schestowitz Posting from Texas Jan 21 00:43
tessier_ Interesting. That’s a keeper. Jan 21 00:44
schestowitz Can it be seen as real? Jan 21 00:45
schestowitz I reckoned it was tongue in cheek.. Jan 21 00:45
schestowitz Oh oh!! I’m using a PC… a Linux PC…  Downadup virus exposes millions of PCs to hijack <  Downadup virus exposes millions of PCs to hijack > Jan 21 00:47
schestowitz URL: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/ptech/… Jan 21 00:47
schestowitz “He said his company had reverse-engineered its program, which they suspected of originating in Ukraine, and is using the call-back mechanism to monitor an exponential infection rate, despite Microsoft’s issuing of a patch to fix the bug.” Jan 21 00:47
schestowitz “The Downadup or Conficker worm exploits a bug in Microsoft Windows to infect mainly corporate networks, where — although it has yet to cause any harm — it potentially exposes infected PCs to hijack.” Okay……… but a better headline (like the MSBBC’s) might be needed Jan 21 00:47
schestowitz Nice photo: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/20/w… Jan 21 00:48
schestowitz http://www.itwire.com/content/view/… “Andrew Tridgell, founder of the Samba project and a major FOSS luminary, did not speak about this subject; rather he focused on the way Microsoft manouevred the OOXML standard through the International Standards Organisation last year, using means which are widely acknowledged as being non-kosher.” Jan 21 00:51
schestowitz Tridgell said Microsoft had subverted the entire standards process by ramming the OOXML standard through and the company should make reparations, including an apology. Jan 21 00:51
schestowitz I hope IBM isn’t pulling more people from OOo to their proprietary fork(ish) of it: http://lodahl.blogspot.com/2009/01/lo… Jan 21 00:53
moogstrap hrmm. 93. I fail at my mother tongue Jan 21 00:56
schestowitz Truth be said: Lotus is proprietary Jan 21 00:56
schestowitz They just make the platform a commodity Jan 21 00:57
schestowitz With prop’ extensions like Lotus* Jan 21 00:57
moogstrap eh? “It takes ____ to learn any language.” My answer: “a long time”; theirs: “long”. Scandal!! Jan 21 01:00
moogstrap oh wait. I got it the other way round. Man I suck Jan 21 01:01
schestowitz AdamW is still insisting that Linux is not secure (et tu, Adam?): http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/0… Jan 21 01:04
schestowitz There are those cocky Oxfordshi[r|t]e-type Qs at the end, IIRC Jan 21 01:05
schestowitz Byfield ran out of material, so he writes about his PC and calls it “ideal”: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com… Jan 21 01:06
moogstrap I don’t think I have any non-repo stuff aside from firefox and thunderbird add-ons. Jan 21 01:09
moogstrap security is a part of the linux culture. You never see anybody complaining about Linux “UAC” Jan 21 01:12
schestowitz http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/a… “It’s not that I have anything against OO.o or Symphony. I’m [.. just an IBM employee who would rather use their proprietary fork that's well behind OOo]“ Jan 21 01:12
schestowitz There’s the assumption from him that people will click on RPMs and DEBs Jan 21 01:13
schestowitz Why would they if the repo is comprehensive Jan 21 01:13
schestowitz You just tell people to always fetch s/w from the repo Jan 21 01:13
moogstrap that’s a big myth that seriously has to die. Dependency hell and all that Jan 21 01:14
schestowitz He assumes people will want to use WIndows like they use Linux. Jan 21 01:15
schestowitz No, dependency hell is reall… Jan 21 01:15
moogstrap remember the UK Gov’s blunder with the “a good day to bury bad news” re the 9/11 attacks? It here’s one for today’s inauguration : http://techdirt.com/articles/2009… Jan 21 01:15
schestowitz For Windows Jan 21 01:15
*schestowitz looks for the links (work in progress) Jan 21 01:15
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index… Jan 21 01:16
moogstrap I remember being completely baffled by the concept of apt-get back in the day. It took me a day to figure it out, two to love it. Jan 21 01:16
schestowitz You can help by reading the PDF an copying the full text into the Wiki Jan 21 01:16
schestowitz I rely on volunteers who help me do this to increase posting (output) pace. It’s GNU Free Documentation License 1.3 Jan 21 01:17
schestowitz moogstrap: yes, I remember that blunder… amazing, ain’t it. I was on a plane when it happened Jan 21 01:18
schestowitz The cab driver who took me back from the airport told me that a building had just collapsed. Jan 21 01:18
moogstrap All right. Let me apt-get pdftools or whatever it’s called to help me a bit Jan 21 01:19
schestowitz I think I flew without the crew saying a single word about it (flight from Brussels, IIRC) Jan 21 01:19
schestowitz They must have known though.. Jan 21 01:19
moogstrap aye Jan 21 01:19
schestowitz Gah.. http://jehurst.wordpress.com/2009/01/19… Jan 21 01:20
schestowitz pavs is spamming in Digg: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Once_Y… Jan 21 01:21
schestowitz They must have caught him cheating because they now block him from FP Jan 21 01:21
moogstrap Hah. I never got one RTFM when I trolled the debianhelp forums. Although they would well have been within their rights to do so. “man!? what is man!?!?!@ Jan 21 01:21
schestowitz man man Jan 21 01:22
moogstrap by trolling I mean seeking utterly clueless advice Jan 21 01:22
schestowitz “I’m going back to Windows, UNLESS..” Jan 21 01:22
schestowitz “give me tips and offer help, OR ELSE” Jan 21 01:22
moogstrap not that bad Jan 21 01:24
moogstrap it was these sorts of pages that made me want to switch to linux http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/… Hard any of those “9million reasons to switch in bullet points” had the same effect Jan 21 01:28
moogstrap hardly* Jan 21 01:28
schestowitz Ahh.. Peter Jan 21 01:29
schestowitz Nicholas Petreley … I think he wrote to me about it.. Jan 21 01:30
schestowitz http://dot.kde.org/1232445901/ Jan 21 01:33
moogstrap That’s good. Is the KDE 4 holy war still raging? I prefer using Gnome Jan 21 01:36
schestowitz GNOME is good too Jan 21 01:37
schestowitz Miguel drops the G from it (GNU) Jan 21 01:37
schestowitz Adds an “O” instead and reverses it Jan 21 01:38
moogstrap I have an internal style-guide about acronyms. I never use full stops. If the letters are sounded indivudually, all caps, USA. If the acronym is spoken as it’s spelt, then only the first letter is capital. Like Aids Jan 21 01:39
moogstrap pdftotext works a charm on the dll hell file. How do you want this thing formatted? Jan 21 01:41
moogstrap (still some cleanup to do of course) Jan 21 01:41
schestowitz This is inspired me… Jan 21 01:47
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content… Jan 21 01:48
schestowitz Yes, cleanup is typically needed. :-) Jan 21 01:49
schestowitz If you put it in the Wiki such that it looks good in plain text, then I can post it in the FP soon. Jan 21 01:49
schestowitz We did about 3+ GB o traffic today Jan 21 01:50
moogstrap but how much of that hails from the Kingdom of the Shills? Jan 21 01:52
schestowitz An illustration of the evolution of GNOME under Novell’s watch: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/2… Jan 21 01:56
moogstrap I usually ascii-ify pdfs that are pretty to begin with for later persusal on a laptop over 9000 years old.  This thing however formats J as .]. Joygasm Jan 21 02:03
schestowitz 9000 years? Jan 21 02:09
moogstrap well Jan 21 02:09
moogstrap no Jan 21 02:09
schestowitz Does it look like a scroll perchance? Jan 21 02:09
moogstrap cave paintings Jan 21 02:10
schestowitz Does it do just RGB like GIMP 2? Jan 21 02:12
moogstrap the colour stuff is still in alpha Jan 21 02:14
moogstrap we’ve got brown. working on beige, baby Jan 21 02:15
schestowitz It does other colour schemes/palletes now Jan 21 02:16
schestowitz Mozilla Wants to Start Watching Where You Click < http://blog.wired.com/business/2009… > Jan 21 02:16
moogstrap hrmm. interesting Jan 21 02:19
schestowitz They pondered this before… Jan 21 02:21
schestowitz No news. Jan 21 02:21
schestowitz Unlike Google and Microsoft, there’s not much they can do with the data that’s malicious. Jan 21 02:21
schestowitz Unless they sell the data Jan 21 02:21
moogstrap yeah. I was just thinking about standards. The data could help there Jan 21 02:22
moogstrap there’s a section coming up in my law bit soon about Monopolies. We’ll be looking at Google and MS specifically. That’ll be intere Jan 21 02:24
schestowitz “Call me fickle, but I switched my default browser back to Firefox for the time being. In doing so, I discovered the features I really miss about Chrome.” http://news.cnet.com/8301-1… Jan 21 02:24
schestowitz Will you be writing some? Jan 21 02:24
schestowitz Antitrust = proof that the “free market” theory is utterly flawed Jan 21 02:25
moogstrap there might be an essay to write. But it’ll have to be related back to shipping law somehow Jan 21 02:26
schestowitz Truth be told: http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20… Jan 21 02:28
schestowitz It’s a publicity stunt Jan 21 02:28
schestowitz “Shipping law” *LOL Jan 21 02:29
schestowitz Is that like an anti-Piracy law Jan 21 02:29
schestowitz Arrr….. Jan 21 02:29
moogstrap hah Jan 21 02:30
moogstrap piracy is a huuuge legal hurdle Jan 21 02:30
moogstrap shipping companies have long used price fixing. But of course that’s anti-EU now. Now we get stuff like this: http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/the-… Jan 21 02:30
schestowitz http://www.walrusmagazine.com/blogs/2009/01/19… “Another tragic victory of marketing over reality.” Nothing there about the Intel/Microsoft corruption?? Jan 21 02:31
schestowitz I’ll add a comment Jan 21 02:31
moogstrap The second on that list, MSC, is a real life mafia owned company. Started up in Italy. Natch. Real mafia, real pirates. It gives the euphemisms I see online a really weird air Jan 21 02:32
schestowitz “I am very disappointed that you did not cover the major factors that derailed the project — coordinated sabotage with words and predatory pricing from Intel and Microsoft. Revisionism is dangerous game.” Jan 21 02:33
moogstrap The OLPC is a tragedy. you can’t leave stuff like that be Jan 21 02:33
schestowitz I know, people forgot and moved on Jan 21 02:35
schestowitz Same with AMD Jan 21 02:35
schestowitz AMD keeps growing smaller.. ‘growing’ Jan 21 02:35
schestowitz So sooner or later who would tell the story about Intel’s systematic crimes against them? Jan 21 02:35
schestowitz Can Borland, Netscape and Be(OS) tell us the story about Microsoft’s criminal activity? Jan 21 02:35
schestowitz http://www.electronicsweekly.com/blogs/electron… (Ubuntu Man and Hardy Heron) Jan 21 02:37
schestowitz “Incidentally, credit to the returning Michael Dell for recognising a market for pre-installed Linux systems. Following its customer-feedback initiative – IdeaStorm – the company identified demand for open source kit. “ Jan 21 02:37
moogstrap My girlfriend bought an Ubuntu laptop from Dell Jan 21 02:38
schestowitz That’s good. Jan 21 02:38
schestowitz And she didn’t drop out of college, right? Jan 21 02:39
moogstrap Hah. Already a graduate Jan 21 02:40
schestowitz I know, I was referring to the Big Story. Jan 21 02:40
moogstrap Free software scored two points, also. Her crummy MTP mp3 player didn’t work. Then the libmtp project updated and it worked. Then the Bamboo tablet didn’t work. Now with 8.10 it works out of the box. Jan 21 02:41
schestowitz Excellent. Jan 21 02:42
moogstrap interesting tidbit on the libmtp’s FAQ, an response to “doesn’t microsft hate you guys?”: No. On the contrary we have heard some positive things from Redmond through the grapevine. (MS guys, please join our mailinglist and say hello.) They are working with the USB Implementors Forum to standardize MTP and when that spec is released we will hopefully be the first conforming implementation outside of Redmond, or so Jan 21 02:42
schestowitz That’s the transitory phase. Jan 21 02:42
schestowitz From thee onwards, /new/ hardware is chosen for the O/S, not vice versa Jan 21 02:43
moogstrap yeah Jan 21 02:43
schestowitz I ditched the last morsel of Windows in 2005 Jan 21 02:43
schestowitz I nukes the last partition Jan 21 02:44
schestowitz *nuked Jan 21 02:44
moogstrap I tried that whole dual-boot thing at first too. I found I never used it Jan 21 02:44
schestowitz Left has actually been easier since. Jan 21 02:44
schestowitz *Left->Life Jan 21 02:44
schestowitz It was Windows 98…… Jan 21 02:44
moogstrap same here. I keep the other partition for bonkers experiments with Sid and Gentoo,  or more recently with Elive. Anything that a stupid user  might break Jan 21 02:45
schestowitz Does Linus have a Win partition? I can’t remember? Jan 21 02:47
moogstrap that ubuntuguy mentions compiz. At the college that has been the main selling point of visitors to my dorm. For many, many people, the whole eye-candy thing is extremely persuasive Jan 21 02:47
moogstrap “is that apple or something?” Jan 21 02:48
moogstrap dun dun dun! http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/linux/torvalds-fam… Jan 21 02:49
schestowitz :-) Jan 21 02:51
schestowitz moogstrap: would that be his parents? Jan 21 02:51
moogstrap yeah. It’s all I could find on the subject Jan 21 02:51
schestowitz He installed Fedora for his wife a while ago. Jan 21 02:51
schestowitz He probably teaches his kids how to ‘play’ pine. Jan 21 02:52
schestowitz moogstrap: yes, I remember that article. Jan 21 02:52
moogstrap http://1billionusd.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/07… “The condition of ship’s structure and machineries is pathetic and much far below international standards . Their aim is to run the ship till it sinks , even if the vessel sinks they will get handsome amounts in terms of insurance claims . They even buy the classifications societies and the surveyors by either threatening th Jan 21 02:53
moogstrap now THAT’s mafia Jan 21 02:53
schestowitz not as bad as the mafiaa Jan 21 02:55
schestowitz where the second ‘a” stands for “Amplified” Jan 21 02:55
moogstrap you know, a little over a hundred years ago, the load line regs were brought in. You know, the line on the side of the ship that  says, “if you can’t see this, you’re fucked”. The companies all fought against it, of course. So the lawlords made a compromise. The companies could choose where to put the load line. So what did they do? They put the line on the crow’s nest, right at the top of the mast, just as a big Jan 21 02:58
moogstrap in those days, refusing to sail on a ship meant 6 months in jail. In that time, 75% of inmates in seafaring town’s prisons were seamen who didn’t want to die. Nice Jan 21 02:59
schestowitz Your messages get truncated Jan 21 02:59
moogstrap bummer Jan 21 03:00
schestowitz of the mast, just as a big << ENDS HERE Jan 21 03:00
moogstrap just as a big FU to the legislators Jan 21 03:00
schestowitz second time in this session, ‘tleast Jan 21 03:00
moogstrap meh Jan 21 03:00
moogstrap I’m using the applet thingy Jan 21 03:00
moogstrap all attempts to get irssi get an auto-generated message telling me I’m doing something very bad Jan 21 03:00
schestowitz Oh, I see. Jan 21 03:00
schestowitz Why not apt-get install xchat? Jan 21 03:00
schestowitz Admittedly, I tried almost nothing else on the desktop, except Mirc, when I stopped using when I was 14 or 15 Jan 21 03:01
schestowitz /s/when/which Jan 21 03:01
moogstrap I don’t know. The network here is very good at sniffing out stuff. I don’t want to lose my connection! Jan 21 03:02
moogstrap port 6667 being the world’s deadliest port and all Jan 21 03:02
moogstrap and tunnelling is specifically banned. I have no idea if they can detect that. But I’m not going to try and tempt them Jan 21 03:03
schestowitz How so? Jan 21 03:03
moogstrap I don’t know. Maybe the 666 bit Jan 21 03:03
schestowitz Why would this port be denied? Jan 21 03:03
schestowitz Unless something illicit is done, this is unacceptable. Jan 21 03:03
moogstrap they all are. I can’t even access my smtp mail server Jan 21 03:04
moogstrap only port 8080 and 443 are open, I think Jan 21 03:04
schestowitz Is that the port for multiplayer Diablo? ;-) Jan 21 03:04
moogstrap heh Jan 21 03:04
schestowitz This is stupid Jan 21 03:05
schestowitz It’s like saying you can drink from the cup and not from a straw Jan 21 03:05
schestowitz The smart ones will find other sophisticated ways to sip anyway Jan 21 03:05
moogstrap we’re not allowed to know the IP address that we use to connect to the internet. That kinda puts a downer on netstat Jan 21 03:05
schestowitz Here in Manchester the ATM got cracked.. at least one. Jan 21 03:06
schestowitz Too much Windows in Uk-based ATMs.. like Citibank Jan 21 03:06
moogstrap hah. yeah. I saw an ATM with a big fat windows error message on it once. I walked away Jan 21 03:06
schestowitz ..From the scene of the crime Jan 21 03:06
moogstrap hah Jan 21 03:06
schestowitz Killed by fire wall Jan 21 03:07
moogstrap it’s pretty ludicrous installing a 4gb operating system full of security holes for a machine that spits moneyey Jan 21 03:07
schestowitz And 3 bouts of Chinese zombies Jan 21 03:07
schestowitz Natwest does this too Jan 21 03:07
moogstrap but then they do the same for heart monitors in hospitals Jan 21 03:07
schestowitz Barc’s went titsups Jan 21 03:08
schestowitz But Win is not RTOS Jan 21 03:08
schestowitz Must be bad engineers… DNS….. WIndows…. Hospitals… Windows. Jan 21 03:08
schestowitz Vis a vis… Jan 21 03:08
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/2… Jan 21 03:09
schestowitz “Staff at hospitals across Sheffield are battling a major computer worm outbreak after managers turned off Windows security updates for all 8,000 PCs on the vital network, The Register has learned.” Jan 21 03:09
moogstrap “You’re doing it wrong!” Jan 21 03:09
moogstrap http://xkcd.com/463/ Jan 21 03:10
moogstrap remember this? http://www.networkworld.com/com… Jan 21 03:11
*schestowitz loks Jan 21 03:11
moogstrap “On Monday, September 8, 2008 the London Stock Exchange, run completely on Windows, experienced a Blue Screen of Death.  What more can I say? “ Jan 21 03:11
moogstrap pretty much all electronic chart systems use windows, as far as I know. They’re linked to various systems, radar, GPS, AIS etc, to display the ship, its course, its ETA, everything. Basically. They’re used to plan voyages, predominantly. And in my experience. Yes they bluescreen and yes they get viruses Jan 21 03:15
schestowitz I wrote about it. Jan 21 03:15
schestowitz With many refs Jan 21 03:15
moogstrap I thought so. I was in Malaysia when I read that. I only found your site about a month ago :P Jan 21 03:16
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/20… Jan 21 03:16
schestowitz There were followups (about 20 related posts I did in other places also) Jan 21 03:17
schestowitz Big black eye for Microsoft either way Jan 21 03:17
schestowitz I notice that BN’s Netcraft rank has just climbed to 2600th Jan 21 03:17
schestowitz Very few sites that cover Linux are above that Jan 21 03:17
schestowitz Groklaw is ~1300th Jan 21 03:17
moogstrap I think that’s to do with presentation. Groklaw is pretty essayish in that respect. I suspect sites that highlight groklw’s stuff are more widely read in all. Jan 21 03:19
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moogstrap or maybe I’m just talking BS Jan 21 03:20
moogstrap probably Jan 21 03:20
schestowitz Groklaw has good following Jan 21 03:21
schestowitz It’ll be back. Jan 21 03:21
moogstrap I hope so Jan 21 03:21
schestowitz State of flux.. we get some of their readers. Jan 21 03:22
schestowitz BN traffic nearly doubled this month Jan 21 03:22
moogstrap interesting Jan 21 03:22
moogstrap will you be watching the RIAA thing? Jan 21 03:23
schestowitz No, I read something about it though Jan 21 03:23
moogstrap I’m too sleepy to finish this dll hell tonight. any particular time you want it for? Jan 21 03:26
schestowitz No hurry, I’m just thankful for it!! Jan 21 03:27
schestowitz Highlighting best bits of it is good to engage the reader and have people read the whole thing Jan 21 03:27
schestowitz It also gets it indexed on the Web, with names of those involved Jan 21 03:28
moogstrap Okay, all right then. Off to bed I go. ta! Jan 21 03:28
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schestowitz Microsoft is worries enough having this on the Web.. Jan 21 03:28
schestowitz *worried Jan 21 03:28
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MinceR hay Jan 21 09:16
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schestowitz A legion of susers seems to have come to BN because they don’t like it when Novell is found trolling BN. Jan 21 10:41
kentma1 schestowitz: did you ever find out what happened to the oss in schools mailing list? Jan 21 10:51
schestowitz I think it dissolved a bit Jan 21 10:51
schestowitz In the sense that people lost the will to post much… Iain tried to keep it active. Jan 21 10:52
schestowitz Also, Sirius left it, as far as I know. They are doing okay now with some contracts and MT writes in ZDNet on occasions. Jan 21 10:52
schestowitz Advertisement from Coverity appear in the Web again .. they advertise themselves using scans of F/OSS. Jan 21 10:55
schestowitz OpenSUSE’s Brockmeier seems like a nice guy… it’s a shame he took his talent over to Novell and by doing so he tainted the reputation — due to bias — of Linux Magazine and the NewsForge network. He’s also using OStatic to bend it a bit in SUSE’s  direction. When Novell bought Brockmeier it bought media bias. Jan 21 11:00
schestowitz KBasic Brings BASIC to Qt World < http://dot.kde.org/1232499049/ > **Mono itch** Jan 21 11:06
schestowitz BELEM – Sciences and Democracy < http://fm-sciences.org/spip.php?art… > Jan 21 11:09
kentma1 schestowitz: shame about the oss in schools list; it was actually quite helpful from my point of view.  There were some short tempers, but even so, some discussion is much better than none. Jan 21 11:14
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