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01.26.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 25th, 2009

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:27 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz http://www.devilswiki.com/wiki:democracy “US “democracy” is not an intellectual exercise. Each team attempts to get the highest score, the winner gets control over the world’s most powerful army and secret services for four years, and the right to steal as many dollars as they can transfer to off-shore bank accounts through fraudulent contracts with their friends’ companies.” Jan 25 00:00
schestowitz Re: Obama… Some early signs that I see suggest that Change is sometimes applied in the opposite direction. Jan 25 00:04
schestowitz Ballmer: Still Interested in Yahoo’s Search Business < http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/ba… > Jan 25 00:05
schestowitz They have the right ‘plant’ in place, inside Yahoo! Jan 25 00:05
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schestowitz TechDirt says the same thing as me about MSBBC exaggerations… http://techdirt.com/articl… “”Wife murdered for Facebook status,” screams the headline on the BBC News site. “ Jan 25 00:30
schestowitz Microsoft should have made deeper cuts, analysts contend < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsoft_sh… > Jan 25 00:52
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MinceR gn Jan 25 01:42
schestowitz Apple’s jesusphone (cartoon): http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/features/… Jan 25 01:47
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schestowitz Microsoft is killing lots of services Jan 25 01:53
schestowitz I look forward to posting these to COLA. Jan 25 01:53
schestowitz it sets them up and shoots them down… along with the laid off employees that occupies them (as well as contractrors) Jan 25 01:54
schestowitz http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-… “Obama has ordered the closure of the CIA’s secret prisons. This is starting to look like real progress, on the imprisonment issue.” Jan 25 01:57
twitter closing prisons – about time. Jan 25 01:58
schestowitz Global warming increasing death rate of US trees, scientists warn < http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment… > Jan 25 01:58
schestowitz twitter: more prisons = more innovations ;-) Like patents… Jan 25 01:59
schestowitz slattman.org is down Jan 25 02:01
schestowitz *tallman Jan 25 02:01
twitter See The End of America Jan 25 02:02
twitter http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2… Jan 25 02:03
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schestowitz American or US? /me looks Jan 25 02:06
schestowitz I see.. just “US”, not “America”. “Failed state”? Jan 25 02:07
twitter America in the metaphorical sense of escape from European tyranny. Jan 25 02:07
twitter or just plain tyranny. Jan 25 02:08
twitter She applies it to the US. Jan 25 02:08
twitter Other new world states had similar constitutions and notions of independent freedom. Jan 25 02:09
schestowitz ;-) Comply or die… Britannica assimilates. http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1… Jan 25 02:09
schestowitz twitter: yes, as if international laws don’t apply to them.. seclusion and vanity.. they killed Iraqi kids with napalm, didn’t they? Jan 25 02:10
schestowitz Look what the MSBBC covers now: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/… Jan 25 02:11
twitter to become the monster you fear, that is the worst of nightmares. Jan 25 02:12
twitter “1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy”  If Obama scuttles the “war on terror,” I can go from paranoid and looking for a place to run back to vigilant and hopeful. Jan 25 02:14
schestowitz Obama is run by similar people though Jan 25 02:15
schestowitz He went to and attended the same university and secret societies as others like him Jan 25 02:16
twitter so we might expect another false flag event. Jan 25 02:16
schestowitz Frankly Speaking: For Microsoft, the pain is just beginning < http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?… > Jan 25 02:16
twitter I’m a Deke like GWB 1 and 2.  I don’t subscribe to torture and other evil shit. Jan 25 02:17
twitter Most of my friends did not either. Jan 25 02:17
schestowitz Microsoft should have made deeper cuts, analysts contend < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Micros… > Jan 25 02:17
twitter I’ve had people tell me that the “war on terror” combined with domestic spying and other abuse reminded them of Austria in the 1930s or under the Soviets.  They know real tyranny and their warnings are alarming. Jan 25 02:17
twitter M$, big brother’s file clerk. Jan 25 02:18
schestowitz Microsoft works with the NSAA Jan 25 02:18
schestowitz Apple likewise (*NSA) Jan 25 02:18
schestowitz Microsoft Kills Its Game Studio! < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/mic… > Jan 25 02:19
schestowitz Savour the demise… maybe Change in IT.. Microsoft to Kill Project Popfly? < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158275… > Jan 25 02:19
schestowitz Less Mono/.NET junk.. Microsoft Postpones Iowa Data Center < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158265/micros… > Jan 25 02:19
twitter Chuckle, M$ is no IBM. Jan 25 02:19
twitter too stupid. Jan 25 02:19
schestowitz IBM is /FAR/ bigger Jan 25 02:22
schestowitz Evil too, potentially. Needs an eye on it…… Jan 25 02:22
schestowitz Mish Shedlock: “Microsoft, An Aging Gorilla” < http://understandinglimited.com/… > Jan 25 02:24
twitter Bishop says ->   Parakh noted that its estimated fiscal year operating expenses of $27.4 billion mean that second-half spending will be more than $14 billion — up from the roughly $13 billion in operating expenses reported by the company in the first half of the fiscal year. Jan 25 02:24
twitter That means they will have to cut more and soon. Jan 25 02:25
schestowitz There is a mistake here. Microsoft has close to $0 in the bank now, having blown it all away (buybacks and takeover). Had Microsoft bought Yahoo, it would have been over $20 bn in debt now. Jan 25 02:26
schestowitz twitter: yes. Jan 25 02:27
schestowitz Propagate the mythology that Microsoft won’t be there some years from now, so betting one’s business on Microsoft is dangerous. Microsoft is trying hard to counter this perception, which is true. Jan 25 02:28
twitter “2009, the melt down turns into a death spiral.”  http://slashdot.org/~tw… Jan 25 02:29
schestowitz 1929 again. Jan 25 02:30
twitter All things come to an end sooner or later.  M$ is no exception.  Windows and windows development are broken and so is the M$ business model.  They must change or die. Jan 25 02:31
schestowitz They try, but it’s not possible Jan 25 02:31
schestowitz It’s an investor dilemma or something, can’t recall the exact phrase from the literature Jan 25 02:32
twitter It’s not possible because they are not trying.  If IBM can change, M$ can change. Jan 25 02:32
twitter I think the phrase you are looking for is “short sell” Jan 25 02:32
twitter :) Jan 25 02:32
schestowitz Like the steel industry. They tries to kill change (middleware like Java and Netscape), but they can’t kill it… Google strikes and Linux is so attractive that Windows needed to become a freebie Jan 25 02:32
schestowitz Even Office is now dumped at students for like $100 Jan 25 02:33
schestowitz IBM suffered a lot though Jan 25 02:33
schestowitz It changed too late Jan 25 02:33
twitter LSU students paid $550,000 for their license to get Windows, Office and other development tools for “free”.  I’m sure that deal is over now and that toxic sludge is dumped on anyone dumb enough to take it. Jan 25 02:34
schestowitz Looks like fun … http://picasaweb.google.dk/leiflo… Jan 25 02:34
twitter It was paid for with student fees and students were very angry about it.  “Every PC in the world already comes with that crap.  Why pay for it again?” was what one classmate told me. Jan 25 02:35
schestowitz It’s amazing how fast Picasa Web is… I wonder what programming techniques they use there. Jan 25 02:36
twitter lots and lots of computers? Jan 25 02:42
twitter ” 3. Develop a thug caste”  The end of war in Iraq means that Blackwater types will come home.  Like Wolf says, these kinds of scary people were around for Katrina. Jan 25 02:42
twitter “4. Set up an internal surveillance system”  She was right on with that one. Jan 25 02:44
twitter Obama must repudiate this work. Jan 25 02:44
schestowitz There will be people guarding the old forts. Jan 25 02:44
schestowitz Like many other ‘status quos’.. like sw patents Jan 25 02:44
twitter ” 5. Harass citizens’ groups”  Check, FBI infiltration of death penalty opposition groups as “terrorists” Jan 25 02:45
twitter Facebook gives me the creeps on #4 and 5. Jan 25 02:45
twitter ” 6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release”  See 2008 Democrat and Republican conventions where protesters were arrested before the events.  Like Wolf warns, “trouble makers” and “outsiders” are targeted first. Jan 25 02:47
twitter her comments on TSA, of course are also right on.  They have plans to expand to bus and train travel as well.  People have always accepted going to jail like sheep when confronted by traffic cops. Jan 25 02:48
twitter gotta go, the wife needs help Jan 25 02:50
schestowitz OK Jan 25 02:53
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rizza Why? Jan 25 03:47
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schestowitz Apple’s threats against Linux-based devcies: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgat… http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfga… Jan 25 09:13
schestowitz Conficker Hitting Hardest in Asia, Latin America < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1582… > Jan 25 09:21
schestowitz *LOL* http://andrew.secretlab.com…. Jan 25 09:48
schestowitz Linus moved to GNOME.. http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/cho… Jan 25 09:52
schestowitz Oh no… Vincent’s leaving.. http://blog.mandriva.com/2009/01/23/g… Jan 25 10:13
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trmanco Linus said that GNOME sucked Jan 25 10:21
trmanco some time ago Jan 25 10:21
schestowitz Yes, that’s why it’s shacoking Jan 25 10:24
schestowitz (shocking Jan 25 10:24
trmanco he will go back Jan 25 10:27
schestowitz I see good reviews of kde4 Jan 25 10:28
trmanco by the time GNome releases 3.0, kde 4 will be rock solid Jan 25 10:28
schestowitz You’re using GNOME, right? Jan 25 10:28
schestowitz KDE4 needed to readjust to take advantage of Qt4 Jan 25 10:28
schestowitz New: http://introducingkde4.blogspot.c… http://gnufied.org/2009/01/23/ama… Jan 25 10:28
trmanco yes I am Jan 25 10:40
schestowitz “Likewise is based in Bellevue, Wash., where Microsoft also keeps extensive offices. For its part, Microsoft yesterday announced historic layoffs.” http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS… Mayve MSFTers Jan 25 10:43
schestowitz Amazing! “You’re a thief” on Internet connection to subsidise the MAFIAA? “How would you tackle the problem of online movie and music piracy? The British Government is wondering if a broadband tax might be the answer. ” http://www.itwire.com/conten… Jan 25 10:45
PetoKraus schestowitz: FUCK Jan 25 11:01
PetoKraus honestly Jan 25 11:01
PetoKraus i am leaving! Jan 25 11:01
PetoKraus on the contrary: http://entertainment.slashdot.org/art… Jan 25 11:03
schestowitz PetoKraus: it’s tough love. Love for the privileged, tough for the rest. Jan 25 11:07
PetoKraus it’s bullshit Jan 25 11:07
schestowitz Subsidies are an element of taxation… much like blackmail vs bribery. So you already pay the MAFIAA when you buy a blank CD or HDD for backup… now they want more ‘government protection’.. their shaddow that will have people yell at the government. Jan 25 11:08
PetoKraus ‘Underlying the Rudd Government’s plan to screen the internet is an offensive message: that parents cannot be trusted to mind their children online.’ Jan 25 11:08
PetoKraus now that’s a good one! Jan 25 11:08
schestowitz Can’t they use filtering software on the computer? Jan 25 11:09
schestowitz No, you need the government to tell them what to do… can’t have people exposed to all sorts of political sites and gaining access to other people. Must keep them zombified and divided. Jan 25 11:10
schestowitz Microsoft considers moving 30 percent of vendors off-site http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/mi… Jan 25 11:28
schestowitz Chris and Nelson of Xbox among the Microsoft Layoffs >>> ‘The page you have requested was not found. The link is either incorrect or the page no longer exists. If you believe there is a problem, please send a message to newmedia@seattlepi.com.” Jan 25 11:32
schestowitz Layoffs spike, housing tumbles; outlook worsens < http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/arti… > Jan 25 11:32
schestowitz http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/clien… (Canada’s IT industry surprised by Intel-Microsoft layoffs) Jan 25 11:34
schestowitz Yahoo! freezes employee salaries < http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar… > Jan 25 11:37
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schestowitz EU To Microsoft: For the Last Time, Stop Bundling IE With Windows < http://www.marketingvox.com/eu-to-microso… > Jan 25 12:09
oiaohm2 EU Tax again. Jan 25 12:10
schestowitz Tax? Jan 25 12:10
schestowitz http://www.itwire.com/conten… Jan 25 12:11
oiaohm2 Each time MS forks over a stack in fines each time and keeps on doing the same thing with the EU cases. Jan 25 12:11
oiaohm2 Nice little income cycle the EU has going. Jan 25 12:11
schestowitz No. Jan 25 12:11
schestowitz EU COmmission actually regulates Jan 25 12:12
schestowitz Unlike the corruptible regime that’s been lax since Reagan years Jan 25 12:12
oiaohm2 Yes but MS is kinda too thick to listern to regulators. Jan 25 12:12
schestowitz It’s lack of regulation in the market that led to a total collapse of the ecnomy now. Jan 25 12:12
oiaohm2 USA + better regulation could make MS life harder. Jan 25 12:13
schestowitz It’s not a company Jan 25 12:13
schestowitz It’s a private tyranny with state ‘protection’ Jan 25 12:13
schestowitz Some call it “a political movement” and indeed it’s well illustrated in this case. Jan 25 12:13
schestowitz The US government umbrella / shadow for corporation) does not defend competition; it promotes imperialism. If Google permits this (most of the world goes via Google), then it lets it be. Jan 25 12:14
oiaohm2 US government is not unique. Jan 25 12:16
schestowitz Nationalism comes before justice. The Justice Department itself is corrupted, as I’ll show in BN later today. Jan 25 12:16
schestowitz *LOL* Jan 25 12:16
schestowitz http://redmondmag.com/reports/ar… Jan 25 12:16
schestowitz The press uniformly announced layoffs. Jan 25 12:16
schestowitz The Microsoft ‘press’? ” Microsoft Tackles Tough Times” Jan 25 12:17
schestowitz Doug Barney and the other MS lackeys have no humility. Jan 25 12:17
oiaohm2 Notice something they sold 2 percent more in 2008 yet they made 11 percent less profit. Jan 25 12:18
oiaohm2 That has to hurt. Jan 25 12:18
schestowitz It’s because of Linux, in part Jan 25 12:20
oiaohm2 MS really cannot aford Windows 7 to be another flop. Jan 25 12:20
schestowitz They drop margins just to injure competition. Jan 25 12:20
schestowitz They still spread a lot of Windows software… of the wrong kind.. http://www.crn.com/security/212902319 Jan 25 12:20
schestowitz Vista7, you mean? Jan 25 12:20
oiaohm2 Problem with building a closed source OS you have to make the money to build the next one. Jan 25 12:20
schestowitz They made no cuts in the Windows division Jan 25 12:21
schestowitz They dropped many other businesses Jan 25 12:21
oiaohm2 Simple fact is they cannot. Jan 25 12:21
schestowitz I’ll write about it in BN this afternoon Jan 25 12:21
oiaohm2 If they want to stay in the OS game. Jan 25 12:21
schestowitz http://www.computerworld.com/action/articl… (Job cuts call for Microsoft to rethink Windows client) Jan 25 12:21
schestowitz O/S is a dependency for Microsoft Office, sort of Jan 25 12:22
oiaohm2 MS makes a stack of interlinked products. Jan 25 12:22
oiaohm2 So 1 sells the other. Jan 25 12:22
schestowitz It’s a delivery platform for the whole MS stack. Without Windows dominance, Microsoft is f* and it known it. That’s why it permit people to counterfeit Jan 25 12:22
oiaohm2 MS Office and its matching Server products is there biggest key. Jan 25 12:23
schestowitz Windows hasn’t even a spellchecker. You need to buy the ‘other parts’ (Office) for that Jan 25 12:23
schestowitz Ubuntu comes with an office suite and spellchecker.. on one CD Jan 25 12:23
PetoKraus well Jan 25 12:23
PetoKraus it’ll change Jan 25 12:23
schestowitz Server still makes Mcirosoft some monet Jan 25 12:23
PetoKraus don’t you worry Jan 25 12:23
schestowitz Linux pressures them though. Jan 25 12:23
oiaohm2 Open Office misses grammer checker by default. Jan 25 12:23
schestowitz That’s what the Get the Facts/Comparison pages are about. Jan 25 12:24
schestowitz oiaohm2: you can download s/w for that Jan 25 12:24
PetoKraus oiaohm2: well it doesn’t miss spellchecker per se Jan 25 12:24
PetoKraus it misses the dictionary Jan 25 12:24
schestowitz Grammar checkers have false positives though = distraction Jan 25 12:24
PetoKraus yeah, especially fkn AmE spellcheckers Jan 25 12:24
oiaohm2 Open Office also has a bug in it spell checker that needs fixing.   The darn evil that it will spell check without a dic and say everything is fine. Jan 25 12:25
oiaohm2 A mix between Koffice and Open Office is a prity good match up to MS Office. Jan 25 12:26
oiaohm2 http://news.netcraft.com/SSL-survey  I wish the 2009 numbers on the SSL was out.  I suspect MS does not lead in any section of webservers any more. Jan 25 12:27
schestowitz http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/6… Jan 25 12:27
PetoKraus the fact is, and here I disagree with roy pretty much, that OOo needs forking Jan 25 12:28
schestowitz Senator asks Microsoft about job cuts, visas < http://www.reuters.com/article/dom… > Jan 25 12:28
PetoKraus and GoOO is a nice attempt Jan 25 12:28
PetoKraus as long as they keep OOXML import-only Jan 25 12:28
schestowitz PetoKraus: duplication of effort Jan 25 12:28
PetoKraus yes Jan 25 12:28
PetoKraus reinventing the wheel is helpful though Jan 25 12:28
schestowitz KDE-GNOMicaza Jan 25 12:28
oiaohm2 OOo really does not need forking. Jan 25 12:28
PetoKraus okay Jan 25 12:29
oiaohm2 Forking it has really not got anywhere. Jan 25 12:29
PetoKraus it needs complete rewrite Jan 25 12:29
PetoKraus except of maybe the document renderer backend Jan 25 12:29
oiaohm2 OOo lacks the complete set of features to compete with MS Office anyhow. Jan 25 12:29
PetoKraus it depends what market you’re interested to compete in Jan 25 12:29
oiaohm2 What is really needed is competition between Koffice and OpenOffice Jan 25 12:29
oiaohm2 Forcing both to improve. Jan 25 12:30
PetoKraus i’d also like gnome office to not suck Jan 25 12:30
MinceR how are you gentlemen !! Jan 25 12:30
PetoKraus abiword is nice, but when you can’t paste gnumeric table properly, come on Jan 25 12:30
oiaohm2 OpenOffice currently wins because of its cross platform nature. Jan 25 12:30
oiaohm2 And intergration Jan 25 12:30
PetoKraus well and biggest feature set Jan 25 12:30
MinceR gnome office wins because it isn’t so buggy and it isn’t so slow :> Jan 25 12:31
oiaohm2 In feature set KOffice wins hands down. Jan 25 12:31
PetoKraus i find the PDF-edit and PDF-export feature quite handy Jan 25 12:31
oiaohm2 Just some sections of KOffice is really rough. Jan 25 12:31
MinceR pdf-edit? Jan 25 12:31
PetoKraus yeah Jan 25 12:33
PetoKraus you can import PDF into OOo Draw now Jan 25 12:33
PetoKraus with extension Jan 25 12:33
PetoKraus http://extensions.services.openoffic… Jan 25 12:34
oiaohm2 So can Koffice about 5 years before. Jan 25 12:34
oiaohm2 Feature set wise Koffice wins. Jan 25 12:35
oiaohm2 Speed wise abiword and gnome office bits win. Jan 25 12:35
oiaohm2 OpenOffices major trick is its cross platform nature. Jan 25 12:35
schestowitz http://news.cnet.com/8301-1350… “Sun does NOT look good on that chart!” Jan 25 12:36
MinceR it would be nice if they fixed color handling in ooo Jan 25 12:38
oiaohm2 I am still waiting for OpenOffice to get proper SVG support Koffice has had for the last 7 years. Jan 25 12:38
MinceR and perhaps gui font handling too Jan 25 12:38
oiaohm2 Sun has basically quit there webbrowser done the last thing open sourced it. Jan 25 12:39
oiaohm2 Most solarias systems run apache these days. Jan 25 12:39
schestowitz Et tu, Digg? Digg to cut workforce 10%, hire new sales team < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1793… > Jan 25 12:39
oiaohm2 Opps webserver Jan 25 12:40
oiaohm2 I hate when my brain word swaps. Jan 25 12:40
schestowitz It happens Jan 25 12:40
oiaohm2 Really for me as long as I stay at word swaps and don’t do letter scrabling in words I am doing ok. Jan 25 12:40
schestowitz DivX ‘not happy’ with Microsoft < http://www.techradar.com/news/computing… > Jan 25 12:41
oiaohm2 Down turns always have favored Apache. Jan 25 12:42
schestowitz Also the helicopters Jan 25 12:42
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schestowitz The pro-MS bias from Richard Waters is showing again. Just watch the headline: ‘Extraordinary’ attack on Microsoft < http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/38903b… > Jan 25 12:45
schestowitz That’s like saying that the courts are “attacking” OJ Simpson. Jan 25 12:45
schestowitz The one attacking of the company that schemed to “cut the air supply” of Netscape and broke the law to do so. Jan 25 12:46
oiaohm2 Its it just me most of the remianing pro microsoft sites want an email address to comment. Jan 25 12:48
PetoKraus why doesn’t koffice and k3b track my QT preferences? Jan 25 12:49
schestowitz http://www.123jump.com/earnings-story/Googl… (Google Sales Rise 18%, Microsoft Sales Up 1%) Jan 25 12:49
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schestowitz oiaohm2: some allow anonymous comments Jan 25 12:50
oiaohm2 QT3 PetoKraus Jan 25 12:51
PetoKraus oiaohm2: i doubt it Jan 25 12:51
PetoKraus i’ve got configs for both QT3 and QT4 Jan 25 12:51
PetoKraus (using qtconfig for both respective versions) Jan 25 12:52
PetoKraus we’ll see what can qtcurve do Jan 25 12:52
oiaohm2 I don’t think you would be using Koffice 2.0 beta Jan 25 12:52
schestowitz beta 9? Jan 25 12:52
schestowitz Alpha 9? Jan 25 12:52
schestowitz I think it’s beta2 nnow Jan 25 12:52
schestowitz Maybe 3rd Jan 25 12:52
oiaohm2 There are some annoying limitations in the QT3 API.  Koffice is in 5 beta Jan 25 12:53
oiaohm2 If application is using the compadiblity layour in QT4 for QT3 applications the Qt3 limitations still apply. Jan 25 12:54
PetoKraus right Jan 25 12:54
PetoKraus but skype uses qt3 as well Jan 25 12:54
PetoKraus and it’s themed properly Jan 25 12:54
oiaohm2 Its applications that need to apply there own colour styles for stuff. Jan 25 12:55
schestowitz Skype doesn’t do it right Jan 25 12:55
schestowitz It doesn’t inherit my Qt3.5 settings Jan 25 12:55
schestowitz It does its own thing, like Picasa+Wine. Jan 25 12:55
PetoKraus i’ll see when I manage to install QtCurve Jan 25 12:56
schestowitz Google Earth uses Qt, but it’s ugly and coarse. They manage to ruin it Jan 25 12:56
MinceR google earth is a huge pile of failure. Jan 25 12:57
schestowitz It’s a data delivery window Jan 25 12:58
schestowitz Good bandwidth rate though Jan 25 12:58
schestowitz I wonder if Google has already canceled its pie-in-the-sky fantasy or running vehicles all over the world to photograph everything Jan 25 13:00
schestowitz The world tries (or should try) to reduce consumption while Google does DisneyProjects motivated by greed for “free” data (pictures of people’s back yard) Jan 25 13:01
MinceR it’s a crappy app that only works if it’s run as root and can’t be uninstalled Jan 25 13:02
schestowitz Tell Obama to stop with this fetish < http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/23/msft-edg… >. He’d get brain cancer and leave the lunatic Biden to run the world’s biggest military. Jan 25 13:02
oiaohm2 http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/qt4-…  <<  why everything in styling when to crap is fixed in qt 4.2 Jan 25 13:02
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oiaohm2 Now we have to wait for the applications to update and remove the hacks. Jan 25 13:03
*schestowitz can’t even remember where he installed GE (Google Earth). What a mess Jan 25 13:03
schestowitz Microsoft and Yahoo! in secret talks < http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/articl… > Jan 25 13:05
oiaohm2 Microsoft wants to buy Yahoo so it can compete with google. Jan 25 13:07
oiaohm2 Now the likely hood of that working. Jan 25 13:07
MinceR to “compete”, yeah right Jan 25 13:08
oiaohm2 Even worse most of Yahoo’s core servers are FreeBSD. Jan 25 13:08
oiaohm2 Remember the nightmares of the Hotmail conversion. Jan 25 13:08
oiaohm2 Somehow MS takes over Yahoo.  Google gets to pooch some of Yahoos best and brightest making it even more of a indestructable company. Jan 25 13:10
schestowitz Microsoft does not compete, it chokes Jan 25 13:10
schestowitz Microsoft Cutbacks: Eat Weenies < http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/… > Jan 25 13:12
oiaohm2 http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2419  << O fun. Jan 25 13:12
schestowitz http://www.groklaw.net/ ” Members Only — Docket Update – BK and AutoZone   View Printable Version” Jan 25 13:12
schestowitz Why is Groklaw keeping all the SCO stuff under the wraps now? Jan 25 13:13
schestowitz oiaohm2: I think I saw GPU-aided cracking 1-2 years ago Jan 25 13:13
schestowitz “goes mainstream” = let’s try to make it seem like news Jan 25 13:14
oiaohm2 I used GPU added about 3 years ago. Jan 25 13:15
oiaohm2 Just the advertising bit of it.  Now more war drivers will go looking for it. Jan 25 13:15
oiaohm2 Yes system admin who has to live with wireless networks in places.  I wish I could nuke them off face of earth.  They cause my more worry than anything else. Jan 25 13:16
schestowitz Vista7 delayed already? Jan 25 13:16
schestowitz http://www.computerworld.com/actio… (Microsoft delays Vista SP2, says report) Jan 25 13:16
oiaohm2 http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=11570  Hmm Cisco or Microsoft.   MS really should not have stepped on Cisco turf. Jan 25 13:17
schestowitz Microsoft cuts pile on Seattle-area economic woes < http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/h… > Jan 25 13:19
oiaohm2 MS has to live with the Next 12 months. Jan 25 13:19
schestowitz Cisco is gunning for Exchange now Jan 25 13:19
schestowitz it bought PostPath (with Linux) Jan 25 13:19
oiaohm2 I am supprised MS has not started offering free vista upgrade. Jan 25 13:19
oiaohm2 No postpath is not about exchange.  MS step on Cisco Viop business. Jan 25 13:20
schestowitz oiaohm2: what would existing users say (or feel)? Jan 25 13:20
schestowitz Remember iPhone’s price drop? Jan 25 13:20
schestowitz Apple compensated those who bought it for $600 (-1) Jan 25 13:20
oiaohm2 Remember the intergrated viop exchange… MS released. Jan 25 13:20
schestowitz MS VoIP is kaput perhaps Jan 25 13:20
schestowitz Unifies comms relies on Nortel to an extent Jan 25 13:21
schestowitz And Nortel is now kaput Jan 25 13:21
oiaohm2 Cisco will make sure MS does not get another attempt. Jan 25 13:21
oiaohm2 Cisco partners will not be too worried as long as Cisco keeps there good old style hardware aquirement system. Jan 25 13:22
oiaohm2 Ie you make something better than US we will take ten percent proffit on it if you let us stick our label on it. Jan 25 13:22
schestowitz Sounds like Microsoft Jan 25 13:23
schestowitz Buying companies that make mice for some logo…… Jan 25 13:23
oiaohm2 Cisco normally does not buy the company. Jan 25 13:23
schestowitz Since the early days, most of Microsoft products were bought, not developed Jan 25 13:24
oiaohm2 You would be supprised how much Cisco gear is 3com and netgear if you can get past the labels. Jan 25 13:24
oiaohm2 Cisco basically has no interest in buying the company as long as they can reband and sell the item if its high quality. Jan 25 13:25
oiaohm2 Cisco is one of the rare companies that put quality first. Jan 25 13:25
oiaohm2 Also Cisco does not forbid company they got the device from selling it cheeper under there own brand. Jan 25 13:27
schestowitz What’s the worth of the brand? Jan 25 13:29
schestowitz Problem is, you see… had people had the choice to try non-Microsoft software (no bundling), they would soon be able to assess quality on a comparative basis Jan 25 13:29
MinceR too bad cisco relies on security by obscurity :> Jan 25 13:30
PetoKraus and is sued by FSF Jan 25 13:30
oiaohm2 Cisco depends on obscurity if someone can see where they sourced the device from they can avoid paying cisco ramped up price. Jan 25 13:31
oiaohm2 Cisco depends on its brand equalling quality. Jan 25 13:31
oiaohm2 How Cisco acts if MS did computer world would be way better. Jan 25 13:32
schestowitz There are more reports about Microsoft requiring more layoffs Jan 25 13:34
schestowitz It’ll come. Jan 25 13:34
oiaohm2 MS has to live threw the next 12 months before the next windows release. Jan 25 13:34
oiaohm2 Lot of companies will wait MS out. Jan 25 13:34
schestowitz It uses its lackeys to flog vapourware Jan 25 13:35
oiaohm2 Yep flog vapourware kills sales. Jan 25 13:35
oiaohm2 Ms has not learnt that yet. Jan 25 13:35
schestowitz There’s another one from JupiterMedia now.. Adrian the MS lackey it waving Vista7 and tries to freeze moves to Linux and Macs Jan 25 13:35
oiaohm2 I don’t mind that really. Jan 25 13:36
schestowitz Sales of Vista you mean? Jan 25 13:36
oiaohm2 Linux does need another 6 months to get a lot of annoying glitches out. Jan 25 13:36
schestowitz That too is a possibility. They essentially killed Vista marketing 3 months ago Jan 25 13:36
schestowitz Looking at RSS feeds every week, “Windows 7″ is mentioned about 5 times as many as “Vista” Jan 25 13:36
oiaohm2 Yep no Vista marketing ie item they can sell now. Jan 25 13:36
oiaohm2 All vaporware marketing for a Item they cannot sell now.   Equals no profits. Jan 25 13:37
oiaohm2 If they want to stay a live they have to start selling Vista with free Windows 7 upgrades. Jan 25 13:37
schestowitz This suggests that Microsoft /totally/ sold its Comcast stake.. http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily… Jan 25 13:39
schestowitz I thought they had sold just a /portion/, no? Jan 25 13:39
schestowitz If they market VIsta, they choke Vista7 Jan 25 13:40
schestowitz Either way, they probably reckon that it’s better to freeze (the market) than to sell Jan 25 13:40
schestowitz Because Vista leads to disappointment anywa… Jan 25 13:40
oiaohm2 They sold all of comcast.  Comcast board is not stupid. Jan 25 13:42
schestowitz Microsoft’s ‘friend’ Dina Bass  (she meets them personally) is doing damage control for the Vole: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206… Jan 25 13:42
oiaohm2 Simple problem they have Vista sux’s going back to selling XP pro with Windows 7 upgrade most likely will not sell either. Jan 25 13:42
oiaohm2 Ok that would work.  Tri licence XP pro Vista and Windows 7 upgrade in a box.  Person use what ever they like. Jan 25 13:43
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schestowitz oiaohm2: why would people ‘upgrade’? Jan 25 13:45
schestowitz What’s the compelling selling point. GUI? Jan 25 13:45
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schestowitz Compatibility is still as poor as VIsta’s, if not worse. DRM is still there and it’s heavy (they downplay this factor) Jan 25 13:46
oiaohm2 So they have something to sell schestowitz Jan 25 13:46
schestowitz People hardly buy new hardware, so the assumption that PCs will advance to meet heavier software is flawed Jan 25 13:46
oiaohm2 Even if it is only for new machines. Jan 25 13:46
schestowitz People won’t buy many Jan 25 13:46
oiaohm2 Some is better than none. Jan 25 13:47
schestowitz There’s temptation like sub-notebooks Jan 25 13:47
schestowitz Apple might enter this space too Jan 25 13:47
oiaohm2 Google is also seting up to enter that space. Jan 25 13:47
schestowitz As software company though Jan 25 13:49
oiaohm2 Google does built hardware in other areas. Jan 25 13:49
oiaohm2 Feeling if there is market is safer without building a stack of devices. Jan 25 13:49
schestowitz They assemble but don’t build Jan 25 13:51
schestowitz Well, neither does Apple Jan 25 13:51
schestowitz It just put a phat apple on other people’s gear. Jan 25 13:51
MinceR even that way they manage to screw up quality. Jan 25 13:52
oiaohm2 Build I class as designing the motherboard to hold the chips. Jan 25 13:53
oiaohm2 Google Apple Dell and a few other do that for devices. Jan 25 13:54
oiaohm2 There are really very few true silcon chip designing companies left. Jan 25 13:54
schestowitz Microsoft online div. lost half a billion this quarter: http://gigaom.com/2009/01/22/should-m… Jan 25 13:54
schestowitz oiaohm2: in the west you mean.. Jan 25 13:55
schestowitz Some PC makers don’t know what to do with netbooks < http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/2… >. Decrying the delivery of what consumer needs, as opposed to collusion and price-fixing? Jan 25 13:57
schestowitz Tally: 872 Microsoft jobs cut in Puget Sound < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micros… > Jan 25 13:57
oiaohm2 Does not matter where.  Global total is less than what there were 15 years ago. Jan 25 13:58
schestowitz Wall Street slides on poor Microsoft and jobs figures < http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/mark… > Jan 25 14:03
*schestowitz is going to do a long summary about Microsoft’s /REAL/ problem later. The press misses the full picture, maybe deliberately. Jan 25 14:04
schestowitz Where is the world when THIS happen: Microsoft Paid $3.1 Billion To Settle Tax Debt < http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows… > Jan 25 14:04
schestowitz Only one publication wrote about it Jan 25 14:04
MinceR hm, i didn’t know microsoft owned General Dynamics :> Jan 25 14:05
MinceR (re Sectera Edge) Jan 25 14:05
schestowitz http://mybroadband.co.za/new… (Users blame IT, Microsoft for virus) Jan 25 14:06
schestowitz No word on WHY the flaw was there in the first place Jan 25 14:06
schestowitz Mcirosoft: we patched it Jan 25 14:06
schestowitz Critic: WHY ON EARTH was it made possible to hijack remotely in the first place Jan 25 14:06
schestowitz Microsoft: not our fault, admins’ faultt Jan 25 14:06
schestowitz Critic: so admins should have programmed /properly/?????? Jan 25 14:07
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schestowitz It’s like blaming a victim of a missile for not ducking rather than blame the person who lannched the missile. Jan 25 14:07
oiaohm2 I have talked about that issue many times. Jan 25 14:10
schestowitz *sigh* http://ecommerce-journal.com/news/12511_will_m… Jan 25 14:11
oiaohm2 The idea that the attacker is evil so 100 percent blame lands with them is so far wrong it is not funny. Jan 25 14:11
schestowitz They must stop describing the commission as “Attacking” Jan 25 14:11
schestowitz That’s like saying that cops are “attacking” thieves and murderers” Jan 25 14:11
schestowitz The EU COmmission is just doing its job Jan 25 14:11
oiaohm2 Its battle field terms. Jan 25 14:11
schestowitz No Jan 25 14:12
schestowitz Here you have a felon and regulator Jan 25 14:12
oiaohm2 You have an attacker and a defender. Jan 25 14:12
schestowitz This isn’t Google vs Microsoft Jan 25 14:12
schestowitz It’s Microsoft vs the Law Jan 25 14:12
oiaohm2 Ok cross terms. Jan 25 14:12
schestowitz Yes, and the attacker is Microdoft Jan 25 14:12
oiaohm2 I was refering to the virus issue. Jan 25 14:12
schestowitz The EU defends victims like Opera Jan 25 14:12
schestowitz It also defends consumers Jan 25 14:12
schestowitz Oh Jan 25 14:12
oiaohm2 Had to happen sometime.  Lag. Jan 25 14:13
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schestowitz http://kara.allthingsd.com/20090122/yahooyet… “One of Yahoo’s top marketing execs, Eric Hadley, who came to the company with a lot of acclaim in only November, is set to leave for a new job working in branding and global marketing for Microsoft’s MSN online service, several sources said.” Jan 25 14:14
oiaohm2 Hmm Jan 25 14:14
oiaohm2 Wonder if yahoo is smart enough to do a Microsoft. Jan 25 14:15
oiaohm2 Here is some of our so called best staff.  Yet they be the most incompetent ones. Jan 25 14:15
oiaohm2 Best has too many meanings. Jan 25 14:15
oiaohm2 Same with top. Jan 25 14:16
oiaohm2 Top for what. Jan 25 14:16
oiaohm2 http://www.sans.org/top25errors/  << Want to have some fun run windows past that list. Jan 25 14:23
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trmanco had no internet for6 hours Jan 25 20:02
schestowitz What happened? Jan 25 20:02
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trmanco schestowitz, I have no idea Jan 25 20:04
trmanco it wasn’t just me Jan 25 20:04
trmanco my cousin, and 2 of my friends didn’t have either Jan 25 20:05
trmanco they live in a 1 KM radius from my house Jan 25 20:05
schestowitz Can Microsoft be blamed? :-p j/k Jan 25 20:05
trmanco I don’t think so Jan 25 20:06
trmanco I think it was some problem on what we call here the “central” Jan 25 20:06
trmanco http://reprap.org/pub/Main/Web… Jan 25 20:12
trmanco 3d printer Jan 25 20:12
trmanco running Ubuntu Jan 25 20:12
MinceR :) Jan 25 20:13
trmanco http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome Jan 25 20:14
schestowitz Gimmick Jan 25 20:15
MinceR not necessarily Jan 25 20:17
schestowitz It’s not Star Trek Jan 25 20:22
MinceR it can produce 3d objects of the user’s design, though Jan 25 20:23
schestowitz Prototyping. Jan 25 20:24
MinceR not only, if the necessary materials are available Jan 25 20:24
trmanco http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry3857.html Jan 25 21:28
schestowitz http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1717 “This will be the last time I go along this area of discussion for a while because it’s just going to get very old very quickly. But I wanted, in one place, a quick manifesto/rant about this position. So here we go.” Jan 25 21:43
trmanco Zune Sales Tumble As Microsoft Tries To Compete With Apple iPod: http://www.newsoxy.com/microsoft/… Jan 25 21:47
trmanco “Sales for the Microsoft Zune MP3 player tumbled by 54 percent during the last quarter while the Apple iPod grew more than 3 percent in market share. The battle of the multimedia players might have met its final match.” Jan 25 21:48
trmanco wow Jan 25 22:03
trmanco I only saw now that Icaza is on COLA Jan 25 22:03
schestowitz I’m going to  do a large post about Microsoft.. Jan 25 22:09
schestowitz Finally! : http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01… Jan 25 22:46
schestowitz http://blog.internetnews.com/dneedle/20… Jan 25 22:48
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