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01.29.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 28th, 2009

Posted in IRC Logs at 7:02 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz Criminal History Check: http://criminalsearches.com/summary.aspx?i… Jan 28 00:05
schestowitz http://criminalsearches.com/summary.aspx?input… Jan 28 00:06
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GoblinRFD Hello all! Jan 28 00:29
schestowitz Hey, wb Jan 28 00:32
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GoblinRFD sorry got distracted… Jan 28 00:49
GoblinRFD how are you? Jan 28 00:49
schestowitz I’m OK, not much in BN though Jan 28 00:50
GoblinRFD apparently I am you and you are me.  It was a recent accusation on the MSwatch site. Jan 28 00:50
GoblinRFD along with an allegation that my wife was a man. Jan 28 00:50
amarsh04 obligatory Monty Python quote: “I’m Brian and so is my wife” Jan 28 00:51
GoblinRFD lol Jan 28 00:51
GoblinRFD “Hommage???? thats disgusting……” Jan 28 00:51
schestowitz :-S Jan 28 00:51
GoblinRFD sorry…. Jan 28 00:51
GoblinRFD monty python fan here Jan 28 00:51
GoblinRFD Ive got a new love….. Jan 28 00:53
GoblinRFD AROS Jan 28 00:53
GoblinRFD been testing it for a while. Jan 28 00:53
schestowitz Still running? Jan 28 00:53
GoblinRFD yep Jan 28 00:53
schestowitz I haven’t heard about it for a year Jan 28 00:53
GoblinRFD build 1.0 Jan 28 00:53
GoblinRFD brought a tear to my eye….reminded me of my a500 days Jan 28 00:53
GoblinRFD in a updated sort of way. Jan 28 00:54
GoblinRFD its got a liveCD build Jan 28 00:54
GoblinRFD Ive also been very impressed with a Saturn EMU called Yabause Jan 28 00:55
schestowitz What apps does it have? Jan 28 00:55
GoblinRFD no sound support yet (on liveCD) however Im led to believe the nightly build does. Jan 28 00:55
GoblinRFD basic web access thru webkit….no form entry though and some rendering issues Jan 28 00:56
GoblinRFD 68k emu, through UAE Jan 28 00:56
GoblinRFD NVIDIA support (although limited) Jan 28 00:56
GoblinRFD best of all………… Jan 28 00:56
schestowitz 2d? Jan 28 00:56
GoblinRFD yes + 3d and it has a ported Doom Jan 28 00:57
GoblinRFD and I believe they have ported Mame aswell. Jan 28 00:57
schestowitz Tories for FOSS? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/27/links-2701… Jan 28 00:57
GoblinRFD but best of all: Jan 28 00:57
GoblinRFD RAM disk! Jan 28 00:57
schestowitz [just posted 30 secs ago) Jan 28 00:57
GoblinRFD wow takes me back….. Jan 28 00:58
GoblinRFD ill check out the link Jan 28 00:58
schestowitz RAM disk would be the same as any live cd no? Jan 28 00:58
GoblinRFD ram disk as in the old A500 ram disk where memory is mounted effectively as another drive to read from and write to. Jan 28 01:00
GoblinRFD btw download is 50meg (liveCD) Jan 28 01:01
GoblinRFD as you can imagine, its a quick loader…. Jan 28 01:01
GoblinRFD Roy, in regards to your article, lets hope the tories are actually genuinely looking at open source and not using it as a lever to get a discount from MS. Jan 28 01:02
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schestowitz GoblinRFD: yes, I know. Jan 28 01:02
GoblinRFD I think if the tories could make a large proprietary purchase and save alot of taxpayers money, that would give them something over labour. Jan 28 01:03
GoblinRFD Having said that, if they went Open Source, thats alot of money left in the kitty to refurbish their second homes. Jan 28 01:03
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schestowitz GoblinRFD: yes, the bewildered flock (us) can’t have a say, can’t we? Jan 28 01:06
schestowitz We just vote for a face. Jan 28 01:07
GoblinRFD I hope you dont mind Roy, Ive posted the computerworld article on MSwatch: http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/win… Jan 28 01:08
schestowitz I don’t feed Joe and haven’t read him for a while. Jan 28 01:09
GoblinRFD I dont mind posting on that site, I think regardless of what intentions are at play, I think the audience it reaches is quite suitable… Jan 28 01:14
GoblinRFD since I believe MSwatch is a more approachable site than the sometimes tech savvy zdnet, and I think your average user is more likely to read MSwatch Jan 28 01:15
schestowitz You could contribte to BN Jan 28 01:15
schestowitz we have more readers, too Jan 28 01:15
GoblinRFD Id be happy to although your readers expect a more indepth view than I think I could accomodate.  If you disagree, Id love to contribute. Jan 28 01:16
schestowitz most people just don’t comment Jan 28 01:17
schestowitz usuallt it means consent Jan 28 01:17
GoblinRFD i think so.  I also think you suffer from the George Galloway syndrome, in that potential trolls know you are well researched and wont comment for fear of looking foolish Jan 28 01:18
GoblinRFD otherwise I think you would have seen the like of Andre Da Costa popping up now and then (IMO) Jan 28 01:19
schestowitz George Galloway syndrome? Jan 28 01:19
GoblinRFD He is very well researched and he is able to bring down propaganda and untruthfulness very easily, its a term used to describe someone who others fear to challenge for fear of them making fools of themselves. Jan 28 01:20
GoblinRFD let us not forget George v US Senate.  He completely destroyed their argument publically. Jan 28 01:21
GoblinRFD much to the delight of the press. Jan 28 01:21
GoblinRFD I wasnt implying any political alliegance with George and you btw, just your manner of debate and research. Jan 28 01:22
schestowitz Thanks. Jan 28 01:24
schestowitz I do watch a lot of political stuff, but I don’t write about it. Jan 28 01:25
GoblinRFD an interesting article (IMO) trying to say ignore alternatives to Windows 7.  Its quite clever since it references KDE in an attempt to deceive people into thinking its balanced(IMO) http://www.osnews.com/story/20862/Don_t_Bl… Jan 28 01:25
schestowitz Thom. Jan 28 01:25
schestowitz He’s a Vista/Mcirosoft slut Jan 28 01:25
schestowitz Just ignore it. Jan 28 01:25
GoblinRFD He’s also on openbytes: http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/do-as-i… Jan 28 01:26
schestowitz I’m not the only one considering dumping his site (others may have already done as they preached). He turned it into a MSfest Jan 28 01:26
schestowitz Who, Thom? Jan 28 01:26
schestowitz Thom also did a lot of KDE slamming about 2 years ago. It started a riot Jan 28 01:27
GoblinRFD Yeah, I did an article about it.  IMO he uses a KDE reference as a cover to really say “If you read about an alternative to Windows 7, the people who are saying it dont really want to use it and simply have a do as I say not as I do attitude” Jan 28 01:28
GoblinRFD in reference to Linux. Jan 28 01:29
GoblinRFD and I think it strange how Andre linked to his post so happily. Jan 28 01:29
GoblinRFD IMO is a very bad attempt to hide the intended message of the post. Jan 28 01:30
GoblinRFD thats also linked on MSwatch. Jan 28 01:30
GoblinRFD If I still could be bothered to run Lord of the Shills, this comment from NORTHERNGEEK would definately win: Jan 28 01:32
GoblinRFD “I completely agree with Rich, the Zune could do incredibly well in the UK with the right decision making, I had the marketplace over here for a year or so and now my US bank account has closed I can’t wait for them to release it here.” Jan 28 01:32
schestowitz The Microsoft bloggers are very wary Jan 28 01:32
schestowitz Some of them might soon lose their jobs too Jan 28 01:32
schestowitz They prepare fallback Jan 28 01:32
schestowitz They also post excessively in defense of Microsoft and systematic denial of its apparent weaknesses Jan 28 01:33
schestowitz See Seattle PI and Todd Bishop… even Mary JF.  They are like marketing people these days, not reporters. Jan 28 01:33
GoblinRFD Or this is part of a post from a user called Krenshaw, who wants to share his vision of the future: Jan 28 01:33
GoblinRFD “scenario: on the street with your mobile and download a video from skymarket/Zune service, walk into your sync enabled car and the video starts playing through your car speakers automatically, drive home, take up your Zune and step out your car and the video starts playing through your Zune, walk into your house and turn on your TV and hit the Zune button to connect to the service and hit the button “play current” and the video Jan 28 01:34
GoblinRFD starts playing on your TV, you sit back and enjoy.” Jan 28 01:34
GoblinRFD He didnt like it when I compared his fantasy to 1983, or used the term Zune World Order. Jan 28 01:34
GoblinRFD He may have a perverted vision of the future but he does deserve credit for the amount of times he manages to put the word Zune into his post. Jan 28 01:36
schestowitz Zune =DRM Jan 28 01:36
schestowitz It’s a failed WinCE device from Toshiba Jan 28 01:36
schestowitz It has Wi-Fi, so Microsoft ‘invented “squirting” Jan 28 01:36
schestowitz That’s what it calls tossing DRM-laden stuff over Wi-Fi Jan 28 01:37
GoblinRFD Id love to have been at a New Years eve party that had a Zune as its jukebox. Jan 28 01:37
schestowitz LOl Jan 28 01:37
GoblinRFD that would have been a barrel of laughs Jan 28 01:37
schestowitz Love or hate? Jan 28 01:37
schestowitz Only if you connect to update it. Jan 28 01:37
schestowitz Or synch or whatever.. Jan 28 01:37
GoblinRFD heres another classic from Krenshaw.  He said this when refering to the DRM-free catalogue that Apple has released, keep in mind this guy is pimping Zune when he says: (in relation to Apple) Jan 28 01:40
GoblinRFD “my point was that they made a scheme to milk more money out of your pockets.” Jan 28 01:40
GoblinRFD Well thank the lord for Microsoft.  They would never dream of doing such a horrible thing, would they? Jan 28 01:41
schestowitz Microsoft is a huge fan of DRM Jan 28 01:49
schestowitz Let me show you something Jan 28 01:49
schestowitz It will be published one day when I find the time……. Jan 28 01:49
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/inde… Jan 28 01:49
GoblinRFD checking now! Jan 28 01:49
schestowitz Maybe you can help us out and pull the relevant text from the PDF so as to have concrete evidence as text? Jan 28 01:50
schestowitz This actually has OCR Jan 28 01:51
GoblinRFD Ill have a look.  Im not sure if Ive mentioned this before Roy, but DRM type issues are an area of expertise since I was one of the people who managed a disassembly of z80 code and a patch around for the horrible lens lock on the spectrum so many years ago. Jan 28 01:52
GoblinRFD after that, I was interested in Amiga copy protection and at the time that moved into Macrovision, and even onto the Magicom where I wrote several little programs for the SNES in relation to the DSP chip which caused so much issue with a magicom. Jan 28 01:54
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schestowitz Apple and MS are like Democrats and Republicans (order here does not matter). They represent the same elite interests (e.g. Hollywood) but they have different faces/identities Jan 28 01:57
GoblinRFD What Ive read so far is quite frightening.  Its almost like an IT version of a document from Area 51 Jan 28 01:58
GoblinRFD “We Win” “We Tie” “We lose” – All eventualities planned for.  I take it you cant say where you got this document? Jan 28 02:00
schestowitz It’s from an antitrust trial Jan 28 02:01
schestowitz We’re not exactly supposed to have it. Jan 28 02:01
GoblinRFD ah yes.  Ive just noticed the stamp Jan 28 02:02
schestowitz We’ve made some very big front pagers thanks to these Jan 28 02:02
schestowitz Traffic doubled this month in BN… up to about 8 million hits Jan 28 02:02
GoblinRFD lol, makes my 80 a day look a little silly. Jan 28 02:04
schestowitz Heh. Cool. Just been added to someone’s blogroll… Jan 28 02:04
schestowitz     * Ars Technica Jan 28 02:04
schestowitz     * Boycott Novell Jan 28 02:04
schestowitz     * DistroWatch.com Jan 28 02:04
schestowitz     * Groklaw Jan 28 02:04
schestowitz     * Linus’s blog (yes, that Linus.) Jan 28 02:04
schestowitz     * Slashdot Jan 28 02:04
GoblinRFD :) Jan 28 02:04
schestowitz From http://www.meldroc.com/ (One among the 6 Linus ites… next to Linus, Groklaw. /….) Jan 28 02:05
schestowitz *”Linux sites” Jan 28 02:05
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GoblinRFD youve had most of our staff reading your site aswell.  Infact two people have removed OpenSUSE from home PCs because of your site. Jan 28 02:06
schestowitz *LOL* “Hello to our NSA friends! Devrimci Sol steganography Aceh Merdeka Al-Fatah plutonium mouvement Al Qaeda lead azide EFF napalm conspiracy CNRT Nellis Range hijack LTTE” Jan 28 02:06
schestowitz benJIman will be delighted Jan 28 02:06
GoblinRFD they just didnt know the background of Novell/Microsoft… Jan 28 02:06
schestowitz You mean, the “peace”…the “good for business”… “inter-nope-rability”? Jan 28 02:07
amarsh04 schestowitz, you left out the Alan Cox regular statement “Hello Echelon” Jan 28 02:07
schestowitz People are told what “centres of power”  (in the media) tell them. Jan 28 02:08
GoblinRFD and can I add (for Mr Michaels in particular) that these two individuals are of sound mind.  Both have doctorates and work on an intellectual plane far higher than me. Jan 28 02:08
schestowitz amarsh04: where? Jan 28 02:08
schestowitz GoblinRFD: re: michaels, I got.. Jan 28 02:08
amarsh04 “Hello to our NSA friends” Jan 28 02:08
schestowitz “An interesting Gordon Michaels.” Jan 28 02:08
schestowitz http://criminalsearches.com/summary.as… Jan 28 02:09
schestowitz “There’ s no real information at the loser’s supposed home page. “ Jan 28 02:09
GoblinRFD lol Jan 28 02:09
schestowitz http://sites.google.com/site/gord… Especially nothing technical, other than the apparent contradiction of him  loving “standards” and middleware but hating html, css and javascript.  The  rest is pure fluff and harassment.  “ Jan 28 02:09
GoblinRFD is that confirmed to be the same one as that who trolls your site? Jan 28 02:10
schestowitz Yes Jan 28 02:10
GoblinRFD lol Jan 28 02:10
schestowitz He links to it (the latter page) Jan 28 02:10
schestowitz Not the criminals db Jan 28 02:10
schestowitz http://sites.google.com/site/gordymichaels… “He’s got a LOL moment in the “photography” section too.  He ” I don’t have the  lens shown in that pic, but I couldn’t find one with just the body.”  A guy  who loves photography can’t take of his camera?  These guys think they are  funny.” Jan 28 02:11
schestowitz Could be one of the $Agents Jan 28 02:11
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balzac hello Jan 28 03:29
balzac anyone awake in here? Jan 28 03:29
amarsh04 yes balzac Jan 28 03:43
balzac hi amarsh04 Jan 28 03:44
balzac a boat-load of links posted on BN today Jan 28 03:44
balzac lots of good news Jan 28 03:44
amarsh04 yes, although I notice too much of the “we can’t support linux because it would be more expensive than being microsoft’s lap dogs” Jan 28 03:45
amarsh04 I’d just like the schools and other educational institutions to offer programs like OOo / Firefox / Abiword on their ms-win installs and allow linux installs Jan 28 03:47
balzac well, companies which only assess the next quarter’s gains or losses may be right Jan 28 03:47
balzac Microsoft can find a way to hurt those companies, have people fired. It’s like Soviet Russia. Watch your mouth and don’t make waves. Jan 28 03:48
balzac It’s a good thing Microsoft is feeling the pain in the economy, though I don’t celebrate the job losses for individuals. Jan 28 03:49
balzac I’ve been waiting for Microsoft to take a nose-dive for so many years. Jan 28 03:49
balzac Everyone wins when tyranny loses. Jan 28 03:49
amarsh04 yes, I’d like some more of the ms practices “outed” Jan 28 03:54
balzac As they say – think of the children! Jan 28 03:55
balzac I hate to see inquisitive minds stifled by proprietary software and “intellectual property” totalitarianism Jan 28 03:56
balzac Microsoft’s financial collapse is good for everyone. Jan 28 03:56
amarsh04 yes, my grand-daughter loves tuxracer and frozen bubble Jan 28 03:56
amarsh04 tuxpaint too Jan 28 03:57
balzac I use GIMP Jan 28 03:57
balzac I played tuxracer once or twice Jan 28 03:58
amarsh04 fast enough even with a radeon 9600 using free drivers Jan 28 03:59
balzac You know, teh gaming scene is going to heat up as Microsoft withers. Jan 28 03:59
balzac Microsoft subsidizes hardware manufacturers who stifle free software driver developers. Jan 28 04:00
balzac With Microsoft’s revenue drying up, we’ll see faster games on GNU/Linux Jan 28 04:00
balzac That will cause major upheaval in the gaming business. Jan 28 04:00
amarsh04 I need to install videotrans on a faster pc… took a while to re-encode h.264 video to dvd format Jan 28 04:01
balzac It’s been a while since I treated myself to a hot-rod desktop computer. Jan 28 04:01
balzac I’ve got a junky Acer with a 14 inch screen and a nice little eee 901 Jan 28 04:02
balzac I’m going to get a new full-size notebook next, and then I’ll build a monster desktop rig after that. Jan 28 04:02
amarsh04 I’m still running a PII-266 that turns 11 in May Jan 28 04:03
balzac wow Jan 28 04:03
balzac ancient Jan 28 04:03
balzac my first x86 machine was 166mhz Jan 28 04:03
balzac it was still about 5x faster than the old apple machines in my house Jan 28 04:03
amarsh04 286-10 then 386dx-16 then 386sx-20 then pii-266 Jan 28 04:04
balzac It had windows 95, I think. Photoshop 3 had just come out with layers. Jan 28 04:04
balzac I wasted some  good years using windows. Jan 28 04:04
amarsh04 this pii-266 has dual boot with w95osr2… I had fun finding a working realtek 8139 ethernet driver and radeon 9200se video driver for w95se Jan 28 04:05
balzac I’m running windows on virtualbox so I can test my websites in IE6, IE7, and IE8 Jan 28 04:05
amarsh04 sb live!5.1 sound card driver wasn’t so difficult in w95osr2 – couldn’t get a similar card to work in xp Jan 28 04:06
amarsh04 I might try that some day Jan 28 04:06
balzac I won’t be installing or running any software on the windows virtual machines, just refreshing web pages. Jan 28 04:06
amarsh04 for web under w95osr2, mozilla seamonkey’s latest release works fine Jan 28 04:07
balzac I want to quit using proprietary software, but I still have to verify my websites in M$ browsers. Jan 28 04:07
amarsh04 I should shut down this pc for a while… it’s over 40 C outside and no airconditioning here Jan 28 04:08
balzac where? Jan 28 04:08
amarsh04 Adelaide, South Australia Jan 28 04:08
balzac it’s cold up here in brooklyn NY Jan 28 04:09
balzac nice chatting with you amarsh04 Jan 28 04:09
amarsh04 maximum today was 45.5 C (114 F) Jan 28 04:09
balzac wow Jan 28 04:09
amarsh04 and you also, have a good night Jan 28 04:09
balzac ok, ttyl Jan 28 04:09
amarsh04 bye… Jan 28 04:09
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Omar87 Hi all Jan 28 06:34
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schestowitz Hey, Omar87 Jan 28 08:37
schestowitz PDF Takes Honors as Top Archive Format < http://www.itjungle.com/fhs/fhs… > Jan 28 08:57
schestowitz Higher education needs a national computing cloud < http://weblog.infoworld.com/whurley/archives/200… > Jan 28 09:04
MinceR r4wr Jan 28 09:05
schestowitz Yahoo! welcomes! new! CEO! with! $303 million! loss! < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0… > Jan 28 09:06
MinceR the best Register headlines are the Yahoo! ones Jan 28 09:07
schestowitz Time to axe Microsoft’s Zune < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/28/… > Jan 28 09:07
MinceR s/’s Zune// Jan 28 09:07
MinceR there, fixed that for them. Jan 28 09:08
schestowitz They’ll get govt protection Jan 28 09:10
schestowitz http://www.lessig.org/blog/2009… “Not only are some of the most non-trusted companies in America blatantly trying to buy off Congress, but they’re using our bailout money to do it.” Jan 28 09:11
schestowitz They make me sick. Jan 28 09:11
schestowitz Apple threatens Palm chomp < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01… >. Add Apple to the list of axing. Jan 28 09:13
schestowitz They are so vain that they are willing to sue or extort competition rather than cvompete. Jan 28 09:13
schestowitz “Applecrosoft” http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/28/patent… Jan 28 09:14
amarsh04 today was Adelaide’s 3rd hottest day since records began in 1881 – 45.7 C Jan 28 09:31
MinceR i’d expect apple to infringe on some patents too Jan 28 09:31
MinceR all-out patent war? :> Jan 28 09:31
MinceR it would be funny if the big bastards got into a fight and only IBM remained Jan 28 09:31
schestowitz amarsh04: global warming? Jan 28 09:34
amarsh04 something like that… had 10 years’ worth of average rainfall in the last 11 years Jan 28 09:35
schestowitz http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-feb…  “Contrary to widespread worries, Bush did not pardon war criminals. This means they can be prosecuted in US courts. Will Obama have the guts and the conscience to do so? “ Jan 28 09:52
schestowitz Are We Civilized Enough to Hold Our Leaders Accountable for War Crimes? The World Is Watching < http://www.alternet.org/story/122186/ > Jan 28 09:53
schestowitz http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-… “The “Justice” Department is trying to protect Bush’s illegal spying from a lawsuit by concealing the evidence that the plaintiffs were specifically spied on.” Jan 28 09:53
schestowitz There’s too much OLPD revisionism these days. Reporters totally neglect to mention the vicious and well-documented attacks from Intel and Microsoft. They spent a fortune to make the project fail. Jan 28 10:07
MinceR are those “war criminals” the ones kept at Guantanamo? Jan 28 10:13
schestowitz Isn’t Obama closing these facilities? Jan 28 10:14
MinceR yes, in a year Jan 28 10:21
MinceR but i wonder how Jan 28 10:21
MinceR perhaps accidents will happen to the people kept there Jan 28 10:21
schestowitz *grumbles* Writers miss the boat on very important issues and they don’t know what ethics are… Why schools should exclusively use free software < http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/schools.html > – It’s a matter of education, not convenience. Jan 28 10:22
schestowitz Schools should not only teach with FOSS, they should also teach ethics Jan 28 10:22
MinceR it’s a matter of both, actually Jan 28 10:23
schestowitz The whole system there is based on bribery Jan 28 10:23
MinceR education is more important, of course Jan 28 10:23
schestowitz But they don’t call it bribery. It’s just an accepted form of money exahnge. Jan 28 10:23
schestowitz *Exchange.  They have an arrangement where a company assumed it to be a right — not merely an opportunity — to milk taxpayers’ money. Jan 28 10:24
schestowitz I fear that exposing those who are bribed if the latest one can do in the name of change. Blaming the “shadow” cast by business  (the government) is a futile attempt to plays right into the hands of those private tyrannies that bribe Jan 28 10:25
schestowitz *LOL* http://techdirt.com/articles/20090127/… “And that brings us to a story submitted by Joe Reda, concerning a nameless economics professor at an unknown university supposedly forcing students to destroy all their notes at the end of the semester, officially to avoid having such notes fall into the hands of future students. “ Jan 28 10:29
schestowitz http://techdirt.com/articles/200901… (RIAA Found To Have Sued Yet Another Woman Without A Computer) Jan 28 10:32
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schestowitz Microsoft is the bestest company out there: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/2… Jan 28 11:11
schestowitz Do you trust this man? “I accidentally deleted all email since December 18th, 2008.” < http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Jan-27.html > Jan 28 11:26
schestowitz Say goodnight, Geode < http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS484… >. The criminals from Intel are still evading justice in the EU……  http://www.pcworld.com/article/158437/eu_re… Jan 28 11:29
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schestowitz McNealy: Benefits of open source can&#39;t be ignored – GCN.com –> “Server Error in ‘/’ Application. …Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:2.0.50727.1433; ASP.NET Version:2.0.50727.1433″ Jan 28 11:52
schestowitz “SWISS chip maker STMicroelectronics has axed 4,500 jobs worldwide after it posted a $366 million loss.” << http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer…  >> Jan 28 12:12
schestowitz Yahoo puppet: Bartz open to search deal with Microsoft  < http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1c5ae276-e… > Jan 28 12:21
schestowitz Microsoft gets close to its anti-FOSS puppets: Coverity Expands Microsoft Capabilities in Coverity Prevent < http://news.prnewswire.com/Displ… c> Jan 28 12:24
schestowitz Microsoft cronies try to force the government to use Microsoft: http://telephonyonline.com/business_serv… Jan 28 12:44
schestowitz http://blogs.ft.com/techblog/200… “Facing a fresh attack from European regulators …” Jan 28 12:57
schestowitz It’s NOT facing an attack… no more than a criminal faces an “attack” from a policeman that’s chasing him. Jan 28 12:58
PetoKraus oh gosh Jan 28 13:11
PetoKraus bloody retarded are our science support faculty admins Jan 28 13:11
schestowitz More BS from Microsoft’s fan press: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/thebigb… “Will Bill Gates be remembered more for philanthropy than software?” How about his crimes (with convictions)? They are airbrushing history and treat criminals like heroes Jan 28 13:33
schestowitz If Yahoo does better than expected, then why sell out? http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news… Jan 28 13:35
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schestowitz Leadership in a Time of Crisis < http://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2009/0… > Jan 28 13:40
kentma It might be quicker and easier to find crisis in a time of leadership :-) Jan 28 13:50
schestowitz Or make one be. Jan 28 13:52
schestowitz Societies offer more consent when pressured. In WW1 there was the first case of propaganda in the US, which turns a pacifistic population into a strongly anti-German population that would better serve the interests of those who are at the top Jan 28 13:53
kentma Also, for WW2, HMG ran an exceptionally well managed campaign in the media for pro-UK/anti-Axis messages. Jan 28 14:14
schestowitz Propaganda is always acceptable, as long as it serves “Us” Jan 28 14:18
kentma Indeed.  I think the HMG campaign was possible the first open-media based campaign on the planet, sort of “early marketing”. Jan 28 14:29
schestowitz Benevolent lies? Jan 28 14:30
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trmanco Oops- > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.o… Jan 28 14:39
trmanco Did I break any hearts with this? Jan 28 14:40
schestowitz *LOL* Jan 28 14:42
trmanco :-p Jan 28 14:42
schestowitz Microsoft is totally collapsing today Jan 28 14:43
schestowitz I have many posts coming (to BN) Jan 28 14:43
trmanco ok Jan 28 14:45
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schestowitz http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/… ” Now if only we could start a bidding war between the Government and the Conservatives…” Jan 28 17:34
schestowitz I saw lots of articles about it yesterday. Maybe they want a better MOU bargain. Jan 28 17:34
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PeterKraus http://i41.tinypic.com/28k35ly.jpg Jan 28 18:28
*schestowitz looks Jan 28 18:29
schestowitz AIG? Jan 28 18:29
schestowitz Or the vhap? Jan 28 18:30
schestowitz *chap. Jan 28 18:30
PeterKraus well Jan 28 18:31
PeterKraus if you just compare the two sentences Jan 28 18:31
PeterKraus 4y v 15y Jan 28 18:31
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schestowitz How old is this? Jan 28 18:41
schestowitz Did the AIG thing happen just now? Because I reckon many such frauds will be coming soon. Jan 28 18:42
PetoKraus no idea Jan 28 18:48
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schestowitz “On Monday there were over 65,000  job cuts announced – just that one day.” Jan 28 20:16
conley how many job cuts total?  I’m can’t find a good source Jan 28 20:24
conley we are not talking about ms…right Jan 28 20:30
schestowitz Maybe over 10000 Jan 28 20:30
schestowitz It’s impossible to know or measure. Jan 28 20:30
schestowitz Oh, wait.. Jan 28 20:30
schestowitz No,the number was US job market, AFAIK Jan 28 20:30
schestowitz This is a valuable exhibit to use whenever the subject of Dell and Microsoft pressure comes up: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/upl… (will post it as full text with commentary tomorrow) Jan 28 21:24
schestowitz “Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich, who was impeached and faces a federal investigation into charges he tried to sell the former Senate seat of President Barack Obama, has hired a public relations firm.” http://www.prwatch.org/node/8161 Jan 28 21:26
schestowitz “ProPublica notes that “the Bush administration’s ‘war on terror’ — including its controversial policies on detentions, interrogations and warrantless wiretapping — were all underpinned by legal memoranda.” http://www.prwatch.org/node/8165 Jan 28 21:28
schestowitz Bruised SAP cuts 3,000 jobs as profit disappoints < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009… > Jan 28 21:29
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/28… “A man who was criticised in the comments section of his own blog cannot sue for defamation because he did not delete the comment when he discovered it, the High Court has said. The Court said that the man consented to the comment’s publication.” Jan 28 21:37
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trmanco http://www.cio.com/article/478250/_Things_Mark_Shuttl… Jan 28 21:58
schestowitz They could seek the opinion of people who have been in FOSS for longer Jan 28 22:01
schestowitz Just because he’s rich doesn’t mean he knows better (the same goes for Pearly Gates) Jan 28 22:02
trmanco FSF expert funds for Jammie Thomas v RIAA: http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18292 Jan 28 22:03
trmanco He use to be a Debian dev back in 1990-1991 Jan 28 22:04
schestowitz Shuttleworth? Developer? Jan 28 22:06
schestowitz 1991 Debian.. that’s early.. Jan 28 22:06
schestowitz But Debian is 15 years old Jan 28 22:06
trmanco http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=v… Jan 28 22:10
trmanco “He was a developer of the Debian operating system in the 1990s, and in 2004 funded the development of Ubuntu,…” Jan 28 22:11
schestowitz Ian Murdock didn’t have it then Jan 28 22:11
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian “Debian was first announced on 16 August 1993 by Ian Murdock.[13] Murdock initially called the system “the Debian Linux Release”.[“ Jan 28 22:12
schestowitz Oh………… Jan 28 22:12
schestowitz 1990s would be true, but not 1990-91 Jan 28 22:12
trmanco my bad Jan 28 22:12
trmanco I’m a little sleepy that’s all Jan 28 22:13
trmanco omg Jan 28 22:15
trmanco new browser Jan 28 22:15
trmanco written in BN Express Jan 28 22:15
trmanco VB* Jan 28 22:16
trmanco http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/1355… Jan 28 22:16
schestowitz “The Alliance for Lobbying Transparency (ALT) is an alliance of civil society groups concerned about the growing influence of professional lobbying on Government decision-making and life in the UK. ” http://www.lobbyingtransparency.org/ Jan 28 22:16
schestowitz They should just ban all forms of pro-$$ lobbies Jan 28 22:16
schestowitz BN :-p got me excited for a moment. Jan 28 22:17
schestowitz https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu… Jan 28 22:17
schestowitz http://www.worldtrademarkreview.com/daily/D… (Fears rise for national offices as Danish PTO lays off 35) Jan 28 22:18
trmanco typo :-P Jan 28 22:19
trmanco the VBN keys are close to each other Jan 28 22:20
schestowitz Making a browser is easy Jan 28 22:21
schestowitz All the piece are out there Jan 28 22:21
schestowitz Many browsers (almost 100) must already exist, but some just never get much exposure or dev effort that’s sustained Jan 28 22:21
trmanco I wonder what rendering engine it uses Jan 28 22:23
schestowitz It’s interchangeable in some cases Jan 28 22:23
schestowitz Like Konqueror Jan 28 22:24
schestowitz Another fun one is PX09280: Comes exhibits of interest: Dell, Red Hat (“I don’t have a penguin in my basement”) <PENGUIN-BASEMENT>: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/28/derai… Jan 28 22:28
schestowitz 14 posts in BN so far today. I think I once did close to 20 in one day Jan 28 22:31
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schestowitz The Comes case produced this set of E-mails which shows how Microsoft reacted to Dell’s GNU/Linux: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/28/der… (I also put it in Digg: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Antitrust… ) Jan 28 22:42
schestowitz Third US Gov’t Worker Pleads to Passport Snooping < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158474/third_us_… > Jan 28 22:43
schestowitz AOL to Lay off 10 Percent of Staff < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158513/aol_to_l… >. AOL had just 7000 employees???????/ Jan 28 22:50
MinceR gn Jan 28 23:20
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schestowitz Intel thinks the law does not apply to it: http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9… Jan 28 23:28
schestowitz Intel could really use some good toppling from China, which would also mean cheap chips Jan 28 23:28
schestowitz http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/… “An Android Market application has become the center of a fire storm of controversy after users accused it of wiping data from memory cards and spamming contacts. “ Jan 28 23:33
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schestowitz http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01/28/… “Arrington says that his job is not fun anymore and he details threats he received last summer on his life and his family. The threats forced Arrington to spend over $2,000 a day to protect himself, his family and employees. Security experts called the threats serious.” Jan 28 23:37
schestowitz http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/… Jan 28 23:38
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schestowitz Windows user (in ZDNet’s ‘linux’ blog) describes GNOME/KDE as “Linux user interface groups” Jan 28 23:42
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neighborlee schestowitz, interesting day ;)..was talking to friend about why mono is risk and latre he told me why he also now doesn’t use apps it depends on and why he removed mono from ubuntu as well ;)) <wow, what a great day> ;)) Jan 28 23:50
neighborlee ThomasEgi> looks like some internal MS mails have this “we contribute but we keep the right to sue you” < that says it all..as a result he removed mono,,this from someone that was still using it…interesting days ahead for mono I”d say :) Jan 28 23:50
schestowitz Hey, neighborlee Jan 28 23:54
neighborlee hi Jan 28 23:54
schestowitz Which E-mails are these? Jan 28 23:54
schestowitz I covered some more of these. Mono via Comes vs Microsoft. Jan 28 23:55
schestowitz We’ll need to set up an updates index at some stage, re: Mono problems. We have about 200 posts about this. Jan 28 23:55
schestowitz Good lad!  UK will not legislate on piracy < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techn… > Jan 28 23:58
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