IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 1st, 2009 - Part 3

Dr. Roy Schestowitz

2009-02-02 17:48:36 UTC
Modified: 2009-02-02 17:48:36 UTC

lar2	a few tests'd have to be run to see which is more appropriate	Feb 01 16:28
schestowitz	Thanks!	Feb 01 16:30
schestowitz	BN is still hit hard today	Feb 01 16:32
schestowitz	Despite those 6+4 hours of downtime we got a quarter of s million hits, excluding Coral	Feb 01 16:33
schestowitz	Had we not had those downtimes (last night until the morning) and 11-4 this afternoon, that would be more than twice that, probably with similar #s in Coral	Feb 01 16:34
schestowitz	This got us many visitors: http://jandan.net/2009/02/01/microsoft...	Feb 01 16:35
schestowitz	Some from /. too.. http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/09...	Feb 01 16:36
schestowitz	AdamW mailed me about it yesterday..	Feb 01 16:36
schestowitz	Wasn't happy with the part about Kempin	Feb 01 16:36
lar2	i do wish intel would drop x86 and move on...	Feb 01 16:37
lar2	it's that damn windows legacy that's been keeping that antiquated architecture out of retirement years ago	Feb 01 16:37
schestowitz	LT is trolled by a Hotmailer/shill over it.. http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.ph...	Feb 01 16:38
schestowitz	Cell....	Feb 01 16:38
schestowitz	But apps aren't built for it.. not the important ones.	Feb 01 16:38
lar2	i beg to differ	Feb 01 16:39
lar2	http://us.fixstars.com/...	Feb 01 16:39
schestowitz	Atom is a Geode wannabe... AMD could consume an _order of magnitude_ less in terms of energy. I don't know how ARM is doing compared to AMD.	Feb 01 16:39
lar2	(no connection to ydl or fixstar)	Feb 01 16:39
lar2	geode is eol	Feb 01 16:39
lar2	arm is doing well afaik	Feb 01 16:39
lar2	it's overdue for use in netbooks	Feb 01 16:39
schestowitz	lar2: yes, I know, but does that run Apache and all? how well? Does Apache optimise for it?	Feb 01 16:39
schestowitz	Fedora Cells are sold by IBM, but who to? I haven't seen a single PR/article about it since 2007, I think.	Feb 01 16:40
lar2	yeah there seems to be a moratorium on even talk about non-drm'd chips	Feb 01 16:40
schestowitz	Intel has begun FUDing ARM... no ignoring no more.	Feb 01 16:40
schestowitz	Intel's Otellini is like the Big Bully that goes into a knitting class (mobile devices)	Feb 01 16:41
lar2	yeah but arm is in most of the mobile devices	Feb 01 16:41
schestowitz	He breaks the table in anger while the skilled women class him.	Feb 01 16:41
lar2	and i'm waiting for arm / dual arm to be on the net books	Feb 01 16:41
schestowitz	WinCE is chopped liver	Feb 01 16:42
schestowitz	Windows Mobile too	Feb 01 16:42
schestowitz	Last night: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linu...	Feb 01 16:42
schestowitz	I was gonna post to BN about it, but can't right now until things settle down	Feb 01 16:42
lar2	i would't have remembered wince & co if you hadn't brought them up..	Feb 01 16:42
schestowitz	I also have some Comes lined up line canon balls. It's a treasure trove	Feb 01 16:43
schestowitz	Wince	Feb 01 16:43
schestowitz	..	Feb 01 16:43
schestowitz	Wait	Feb 01 16:43
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/18/do...	Feb 01 16:43
schestowitz	MS: "Customer visit evidence that 50% plus is Linux"	Feb 01 16:43
schestowitz	MS: "I guess the net of it from DMD’s perspective is only 6% of the world is going to be CE based we must license onto the competing OSes."	Feb 01 16:43
schestowitz	That's why they put Mono in it	Feb 01 16:44
lar2	MS : business :: flat-earthers: science	Feb 01 16:44
schestowitz	"must license onto the competing OSes" = make other license from us or Microsoft pays other for a licence (to whom??? Wind River?)	Feb 01 16:44
lar2	rico	Feb 01 16:45
lar2	R.I.C.O.	Feb 01 16:45
schestowitz	Alex was the main man there	Feb 01 16:45
schestowitz	He left MS a while ago	Feb 01 16:45
schestowitz	The crimes stay	Feb 01 16:45
schestowitz	Comes	Feb 01 16:45
schestowitz	rests in peace :-)	Feb 01 16:45
schestowitz	^^^^^^^^^^^	Feb 01 16:45
schestowitz	Human Error Caused Google Search Bug < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158693/go... >. Let's hope it's "error", not "vandalism"	Feb 01 16:47
lar2	"oops sorry bout that"	Feb 01 16:47
lar2	if they've got too many softers then the incompetence is hard to tell from the intentional vandalism	Feb 01 16:47
lar2	IMHO it's strategy for being able to deny charges later	Feb 01 16:48
schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/article/15868... Does Kollar-Kotelly.need an apron when giving Microsoft 'scrutiny'?	Feb 01 16:48
schestowitz	This Google error was used to vilify ME	Feb 01 16:48
schestowitz	http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.a...	Feb 01 16:49
lar2	what coverage has there been of MSIE's "security" error message when accessing gmail?	Feb 01 16:49
schestowitz	Also this: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.lin...	Feb 01 16:49
schestowitz	The Turfers do the same thing in Digg	Feb 01 16:49
schestowitz	"don't visit this site, it'll do horrible things"	Feb 01 16:50
schestowitz	Gmailed 'pulled an Opera'	Feb 01 16:50
schestowitz	It had to pretend to be something else to have Micfrosoft serve its users	Feb 01 16:50
schestowitz	Microsoft borks MSN/Hotmail, user blamed Chrome/Linux/Opera and goes back to IE	Feb 01 16:51
schestowitz	I saw my parents 'ditching' Firefox because the bank was IE-only	Feb 01 16:51
schestowitz	The bank sniffed headers	Feb 01 16:51
schestowitz	To make matters worse, it gave buttons that do nothing	Feb 01 16:51
lar2	i remember back when opera was new and MSDN would never return useful search results to it	Feb 01 16:51
schestowitz	Sort of to say... look... we won't tell you "we have firefox" but give you a pseudo-gui to click on.	Feb 01 16:52
schestowitz	I phone the bastards	Feb 01 16:52
schestowitz	It turned out they knew what it was about even before I told 'em	Feb 01 16:52
schestowitz	Many people complain	Feb 01 16:52
lar2	speaking of banks, there's a consortium including danske banken which was clobbered for months and months due to ideology trumping profit	Feb 01 16:52
schestowitz	But being bankers they can't give a toss	Feb 01 16:52
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/03...	Feb 01 16:52
lar2	change banks , get better rates	Feb 01 16:52
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09...	Feb 01 16:52
schestowitz	Shannon VanWagner: "Until then, you can kindly kiss my browser stamp."	Feb 01 16:53
lar2	how about softers doing hard time and or paying for the damages they have been causing	Feb 01 16:53
schestowitz	Liability?	Feb 01 16:54
lar2	yep	Feb 01 16:54
lar2	vandalism == liability	Feb 01 16:54
lar2	Ã¯Â»Â¿throwing nails in the highway or busting shop windows would get you arrested, the digital equivalent should, too	Feb 01 16:54
schestowitz	Links here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1...	Feb 01 16:54
schestowitz	Including Cox' POV	Feb 01 16:54
schestowitz	I see you that Needs Sunlight commented on this too	Feb 01 16:55
lar2	actually hospitals keep tight enough records that if made available analysis would show hard evidence that many deaths resulted	Feb 01 16:56
schestowitz	GASP Google Bug Vexes Saturday Morning Searches < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158692... >	Feb 01 16:57
lar2	this is an area of white collar crime well trodden outside of computing	Feb 01 16:57
schestowitz	"A glitch that apparently occurred in Google's "Stop Badware" program led to what Verizon's security blog called a "self-inflicted denial of service" Saturday morning"	Feb 01 16:57
schestowitz	"According to Verizon, as well as various bloggers who write about security issues, the warnings came from Stopbadware.org, which is a domain registered by Google, which uses bots to identify sites that may contain malicious software and then warns users to stay away from them."	Feb 01 16:57
schestowitz	But wait... if I use Linux, then I don't worry about this malwarz thingie	Feb 01 16:58
lar2	google's error could have been a keybounce, but if the individual has a 'softer background, then if I were boss, he'd be out the door without his keys and waiting for the lawyers	Feb 01 16:58
lar2	it's part of the windoze==computers/ windozemalware == computer malware disinformation theme	Feb 01 17:00
schestowitz	Microsoft Charges Employee With Spying < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158652/m... > Google should do the same	Feb 01 17:00
lar2	ok the MS charges are probably a smoke screen, look if a 'softer got caught again...	Feb 01 17:01
schestowitz	Are HR ex-Microsoft employees? That would scare me the most	Feb 01 17:02
schestowitz	It's like handing over the lever and the bridge of French towns to Romans	Feb 01 17:03
schestowitz	VMware->EMC->Tucci->Maritz becomes CEO->ex-Microsofter becomes COO	Feb 01 17:04
lar2	it is possible for them to though graft and incompetence to collapse the world's economy	Feb 01 17:05
lar2	japan and us are already on life support	Feb 01 17:05
schestowitz	Communism rising there	Feb 01 17:05
lar2	yes MS == comunism	Feb 01 17:05
schestowitz	I read the youths there are angry and frustrated with capitalism	Feb 01 17:05
schestowitz	BTW, re BN	Feb 01 17:06
lar2	central, top-down, command economy	Feb 01 17:06
schestowitz	I'll leave it aside for now	Feb 01 17:06
schestowitz	It gets many visits anyway	Feb 01 17:06
schestowitz	I worry more about spending of time rebutting smears and libel	Feb 01 17:06
schestowitz	Digg has plenty (see comments above from yesterdday)	Feb 01 17:06
schestowitz	Two libel threads in USENET in one day, LinuxToday trolled with libel also..	Feb 01 17:06
lar2	back in a bit...	Feb 01 17:07
schestowitz	"She's just a paralegal" type attacks are benign compared to "BN serves malware"	Feb 01 17:07
schestowitz	OK	Feb 01 17:07
schestowitz	WTF.	Feb 01 17:08
schestowitz	http://www.itwire.com/content/vi... Microsoft adds in Linux articles now in itwire too.. "Microsoft TechNet What's New in Mobility and Anywhere Access with Office Communications Server 2007 R2"	Feb 01 17:08
schestowitz	*Ads	Feb 01 17:08
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schestowitz	ITwire sells out with ads and garbage.. http://www.itwire.com/cont...	Feb 01 17:10
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lar2	back	Feb 01 17:19
lar2	yes itwire has been writing well , so the salvo will now focus on them until they stop	Feb 01 17:19
schestowitz	no action from host yet	Feb 01 17:20
lar2	i recall when thereg sold out	Feb 01 17:20
schestowitz	/.	Feb 01 17:20
lar2	yeah them too	Feb 01 17:20
lar2	i'm not sure what goes on in the heads of the remaining original staff	Feb 01 17:20
schestowitz	Stan Beer does the trolling now	Feb 01 17:20
schestowitz	He bosses the place (cofounder)	Feb 01 17:20
schestowitz	lots of ant-Linux	Feb 01 17:21
schestowitz	I left datamation in a asense for same reasons	Feb 01 17:21
schestowitz	ms ads	Feb 01 17:21
schestowitz	i can still write for them	Feb 01 17:21
*schestowitz types with one hand (food)		Feb 01 17:22
lar2	yeah but back in the day, before ms started its jihad / political movement / faith, being high tech was synonymous with having a ban on ms and its trolls	Feb 01 17:22
schestowitz	'ms hater'	Feb 01 17:23
schestowitz	Shades of "anti-Americanism"	Feb 01 17:23
schestowitz	In the USSR, "anti-Soviet" was a serious crime	Feb 01 17:23
lar2	yeah and the ad-hominems always came out when they got run over by the technical arguments	Feb 01 17:23
schestowitz	You just need to establish the label	Feb 01 17:23
schestowitz	McCarthyism	Feb 01 17:23
twitter	M$ is unAmerican.	Feb 01 17:24
schestowitz	Andy Updegrove was flagged "Microsoft hater" in a blog!	Feb 01 17:24
schestowitz	Because, you know, he's SOOO rude.	Feb 01 17:24
schestowitz	He's so rude	Feb 01 17:24
lar2	ms goes against everything I had heard was "american"	Feb 01 17:24
schestowitz	He points out that a company commits crime for OOXML	Feb 01 17:24
schestowitz	That "hater"	Feb 01 17:24
lar2	ms uses name calling cause it works	Feb 01 17:24
schestowitz	Amerrica is similar actually	Feb 01 17:25
schestowitz	I disgree with yiou	Feb 01 17:25
schestowitz	MS is /very/ American	Feb 01 17:25
lar2	updegrove pointed out not only the crime but also called into question ms activities which some could consider sedition	Feb 01 17:25
schestowitz	Like, you know.. if Chavez calls America/Bush colonialist up rises the press against him	Feb 01 17:25
lar2	no, according to the pre-bush propaganda it was about hard work, innovation and profit	Feb 01 17:25
twitter	treason too ... remember them swearing that revealing Windows source code would jeopardize US National security? Just a few months later, they sold China their source code. hmph.	Feb 01 17:25
schestowitz	Some other leaders were overthrown by US-backed coups or assassinated with CIA assiatance	Feb 01 17:25
schestowitz	You can't hate the regime up north for 'just' giving the guns and media aid (brainwash)	Feb 01 17:26
schestowitz	Blame the coup	Feb 01 17:26
schestowitz	Disgusing motives or looting one's resources as "promoting democracy" or defending value of Christianity from the very same people they daemonise	Feb 01 17:26
lar2	actually the coup detat could not have occured without the help of the broken crap ms passes off in place of programming languages, databases and operating systems	Feb 01 17:27
schestowitz	They used to feed and give weapons to Saddam, you know?	Feb 01 17:27
lar2	yeah i remember	Feb 01 17:27
schestowitz	Then they needed to daemonise him to justify the recapture of energy reservoir (even if it costs the lives of over a million)	Feb 01 17:27
lar2	and back to the point about individuals vs insitutions	Feb 01 17:28
schestowitz	OK	Feb 01 17:28
lar2	individuals can tolerate nearly anything	Feb 01 17:28
schestowitz	Sorry, gone OT there...	Feb 01 17:28
lar2	institutions are reliant on interaction between the individuals and below a certain threshold of interaction or efficiency collapse	Feb 01 17:28
schestowitz	"Those Microsoft haters" = "those people who hate us"	Feb 01 17:29
schestowitz	One question never asked: "WHY?"	Feb 01 17:29
schestowitz	An MS lackey asked the other day...	Feb 01 17:29
lar2	not about hate or opinion. the facts hurt ms, so the attempts to turn the conversations always to opinion. opinions are like assholes...	Feb 01 17:29
schestowitz	I put the comment here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01...	Feb 01 17:29
schestowitz	"cj"...	Feb 01 17:29
lar2	yeah the point is "why" - it's called brand recognition	Feb 01 17:30
schestowitz	He lurks here in IRC (#boycottnovell) sometimes	Feb 01 17:30
schestowitz	OpenChange, KDE bring Exchange compatibility to Linux < http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/274883/o... >	Feb 01 17:31
*schestowitz ponders BillG murmuring something about Exchange patents and how it must be stopped		Feb 01 17:32
lar2	exchange exists to lose mail	Feb 01 17:32
schestowitz	That too I wrote about	Feb 01 17:33
schestowitz	It can get 99% maybe. That's like 99 in 100... not good enough?	Feb 01 17:33
schestowitz	Like, you know, 100 flight that take off... 99 land safely.	Feb 01 17:33
lar2	gives heads of the companies plausible deniability, while at the same time causing a crisis state	Feb 01 17:33
lar2	the crisis makes it easy to push decisions through	Feb 01 17:33
schestowitz	This lad asked MS to give him a job (in public): http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/e...	Feb 01 17:35
lar2	http://www.uwindsor.ca/propaganda	Feb 01 17:35
schestowitz	So I keep an eye on what he writes about Linux (provocations and the like)	Feb 01 17:35
lar2	is it deicaza under a pseudonym?	Feb 01 17:36
schestowitz	Conference Date/Place: May 15-17, 2007	Feb 01 17:36
lar2	read the theme	Feb 01 17:36
schestowitz	Where?	Feb 01 17:36
schestowitz	Another lackey: Stu Cohen	Feb 01 17:37
schestowitz	Stuart used to head OSDL, but he was a Microsoft apologist, defended the Novell deal, recently attacked the FOSS model in BusinessWeek and he said Microsoft Office for Linux was inevitable (2006). He's not reliable	Feb 01 17:37
lar2	what broke in stu's head?	Feb 01 17:39
schestowitz	No useful news in LXer since the useful sites took a nap (GL, Technocrat, etc): fun with Linux: Installing ubuntu 8.10 on asus u6s dual boot with vista < http://www.handlewithlinux.com/instal... >. Not news, just some howto on harmony with the mafiaware	Feb 01 17:39
schestowitz	lar2: I dunno	Feb 01 17:39
lar2	technocrat took a nap last year	Feb 01 17:39
schestowitz	Oh wait!	Feb 01 17:39
schestowitz	In 2008 I caught something that made me take note	Feb 01 17:39
schestowitz	It was an adverticle of him and his group in Microsoft Press	Feb 01 17:39
lar2	there was also Durusau who went south	Feb 01 17:40
schestowitz	Time Magazine.. of those that brought "Microsoft takes over the free world" (patent FUD) seminal piece and host the husband of B&M Foundry.. for him to sing praises about BillG	Feb 01 17:40
lar2	what broke in his head or morals?	Feb 01 17:40
schestowitz	The CSI article (Stu et al) was very MS-ified 'open source' IIRC	Feb 01 17:41
schestowitz	Let me find it	Feb 01 17:41
schestowitz	Here: http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/art...	Feb 01 17:41
schestowitz	Keywords: stuary cohen time magazune csi	Feb 01 17:41
lar2	http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman	Feb 01 17:42
lar2	http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman	Feb 01 17:42
schestowitz	http://www.businessweek.com/technolo... Open Source: The Model Is Broken By Stuart Cohen	Feb 01 17:42
schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/	Feb 01 17:43
schestowitz	Scroll down to "Herman" interview	Feb 01 17:43
schestowitz	I've been studying this stuff recently. It helps me understand the tech cults	Feb 01 17:44
schestowitz	I've got go now (gym closes in 2 hrs)	Feb 01 17:44
lar2	ok	Feb 01 17:45
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Goblin	hi all, logging in from another location	Feb 01 18:33
Goblin	what happened to the andre da costa post?	Feb 01 18:34
twitter	S is at the gym. He can explain DB problems when he gets back.	Feb 01 18:35
Goblin	ah	Feb 01 18:35
Goblin	its just Ive been linked to it and someone informed me it doesnt exist	Feb 01 18:35
twitter	Something funny happened. Things should be back by now.	Feb 01 18:35
Goblin	I am typing from my parents machine so when I came to have a look it was gone.	Feb 01 18:36
Goblin	:(	Feb 01 18:36
twitter	Is it still gone?	Feb 01 18:36
Goblin	Ill talk to roy later when i get home	Feb 01 18:36
Goblin	yeah	Feb 01 18:36
twitter	hmmm. There might be bigger problems than he thought. Thanks for the warning. Got a link to what should be there?	Feb 01 18:37
Goblin	http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0...	Feb 01 18:37
Goblin	just checked my site for the link	Feb 01 18:37
Goblin	http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/...	Feb 01 18:38
twitter	Ah yes, today's stories might be missing.	Feb 01 18:39
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Goblin	Probably Andres lucky day!	Feb 01 18:43
Goblin	Got a cracker of a next person to expose.......just collating the evidence now	Feb 01 18:44
Goblin	if Im right, this one has alot more than a laptop in gifts	Feb 01 18:44
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jsluvslinux	what an awesome website	Feb 01 19:00
twitter	Roy is good, you can help	Feb 01 19:02
twitter	I have to thank Roy for remembering the TechCrunch "people ready" thing. http://news.slashdot.org/firehose....	Feb 01 19:02
jsluvslinux	how can I help?	Feb 01 19:23
jsluvslinux	I'm a slashdotr, an LXER, a LinuxLeak 'er on and on...persecuted by all my microsuck friends constantly...want to help :-)	Feb 01 19:24
trmanco	http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu...	Feb 01 19:40
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schestowitz	I've been thnking... maybe the host manually disabled the DB because of all the traffic	Feb 01 19:58
schestowitz	In which case it would explain what I was seeing	Feb 01 19:58
schestowitz	But would they shoot first, tell us later?	Feb 01 19:58
schestowitz	I don't know..	Feb 01 19:58
schestowitz	Let me check it again.	Feb 01 19:58
schestowitz	DB still not there.. :-S	Feb 01 19:59
schestowitz	goblin is gone now	Feb 01 20:00
schestowitz	All the posts are fine. I have them on another DB and local backups	Feb 01 20:00
schestowitz	Hi, jsluvslinux	Feb 01 20:01
schestowitz	We're sort of out of biz in the blog until the host gets back to checking the DB or re-enabling it	Feb 01 20:02
schestowitz	I'm starting to suspect that after they took down the whole thing they decided to just disable the DB... without telling me	Feb 01 20:02
schestowitz	At least I learned some DB backup tricks... 'tlease	Feb 01 20:02
schestowitz	brb	Feb 01 20:04
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Robert1	Hi Roy	Feb 01 20:20
schestowitz	http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?... "In fact, both boycottnovell and groklaw have performed and are performing a tremendous public service. "	Feb 01 20:21
schestowitz	Hey, Robert1	Feb 01 20:21
schestowitz	We have hosting issues.	Feb 01 20:21
Robert1	i guess you are still having server issues?	Feb 01 20:21
schestowitz	Yes. Struggle between staying up and the host not disabling things.	Feb 01 20:21
schestowitz	I'm not sure why the DB was made unavailable	Feb 01 20:22
schestowitz	But I brought up a replica of it	Feb 01 20:22
Robert1	do you think it could be from zombied windows boxes?	Feb 01 20:22
schestowitz	No	Feb 01 20:22
schestowitz	Unlikely	Feb 01 20:22
schestowitz	Let me check..	Feb 01 20:22
schestowitz	But we turned away heaps of requests	Feb 01 20:22
schestowitz	Which is a shame	Feb 01 20:22
Robert1	where is all of the traffic coming from	Feb 01 20:22
schestowitz	I told people to make copies and republish	Feb 01 20:22
schestowitz	Let me check	Feb 01 20:23
schestowitz	It's the usual Windows/Linux ratio, so no zombies	Feb 01 20:23
schestowitz	Windows under 50%	Feb 01 20:23
schestowitz	When I was attacked by zombies before, it's just MSIE/Win noise	Feb 01 20:23
Robert1	oh, just a lot of interested readers	Feb 01 20:23
schestowitz	Which also happens to explain all that market share hoi polloi	Feb 01 20:23
schestowitz	Robert1: we got referenced by some 'big' sites	Feb 01 20:24
schestowitz	I used cache	Feb 01 20:24
schestowitz	But no good...	Feb 01 20:24
schestowitz	I don't know what else to do	Feb 01 20:24
Robert1	probably groklawers, nothings been posted on groklaw for some time	Feb 01 20:24
schestowitz	One person says I should put it on ibiblio	Feb 01 20:24
schestowitz	But Groklaw too is fragile on it	Feb 01 20:24
schestowitz	They have ONE AMD server	Feb 01 20:24
Robert1	i visit your site almost every day now	Feb 01 20:24
schestowitz	And Groklaw went bonkers when SCO filed Chapter 11	Feb 01 20:24
schestowitz	The whole sitres was broken by excessive traffic	Feb 01 20:25
Robert1	i know	Feb 01 20:25
schestowitz	The DB probably went insane	Feb 01 20:25
schestowitz	You saw that?	Feb 01 20:25
schestowitz	But our DB seems OK	Feb 01 20:25
schestowitz	It's just sort of disabled	Feb 01 20:25
schestowitz	I spent over 2 hours on this last night	Feb 01 20:25
Robert1	no, i did not see the database breakdown because i did not get a chance to visit BN yesterday	Feb 01 20:25
schestowitz	And about 4 hours today	Feb 01 20:26
schestowitz	Had we had good hosting, I'd get more posts done instead.	Feb 01 20:26
schestowitz	Yesterday the site was down for 4-8 hours	Feb 01 20:26
schestowitz	I don't know how long because I was asleep	Feb 01 20:26
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schestowitz	But it's spike time, which is a shame	Feb 01 20:26
schestowitz	That's when you can reach people outside the 'choir' so to speak	Feb 01 20:26
Robert1	i will tell you that i appreciate BN because of the news that you gather every day	Feb 01 20:27
schestowitz	We're still doing 50,000-100,000 hit/hour at the moment (I don't know how much Coral handles)	Feb 01 20:27
Robert1	i have been following MS dirty tricks since the late 90's	Feb 01 20:27
schestowitz	Robert1: how do we resolve hosting though?	Feb 01 20:27
schestowitz	CNET has clusters for example.	Feb 01 20:27
schestowitz	Shane has upgraded us to the highest hosting package	Feb 01 20:28
schestowitz	It's quad core	Feb 01 20:28
schestowitz	The host might take us down again... then I need to apologise to them.	Feb 01 20:28
Robert1	the best that i can suggest is change webhost to one that is set up for high traffic to begin with	Feb 01 20:28
schestowitz	I've never seen so many pageviews on LT.. http://www.linuxtoday.com/	Feb 01 20:29
Robert1	that type of hosting is not cheap, so you will also have to consider placing banner ads as well to pay the difference	Feb 01 20:29
schestowitz	http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.p... They have trolls there too now.. like in Digg ... and Carla lets it past moderation which she shouldn't	Feb 01 20:30
schestowitz	Robert1: that's the issue	Feb 01 20:30
schestowitz	Ads pay Shane, who pays the hosting bill right (since like forever)	Feb 01 20:30
Robert1	i know, it's a "catch 22"	Feb 01 20:30
schestowitz	So I never needed to pay to run BN, unlike schestowitz.com and other sites where ads don't even cover hosting bills	Feb 01 20:31
trmanco	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWee...	Feb 01 20:31
schestowitz	trmanco: thanks, got it stored for posting	Feb 01 20:31
Robert1	the problem is with your current hosting, they are not really big enough to handle BN since it is now growing in popularity	Feb 01 20:32
trmanco	it was just released	Feb 01 20:32
schestowitz	Hehe.. http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.p... "Good job BoycottNevell. Keep it up. It is working. Daryl is getting annoyed. "	Feb 01 20:32
schestowitz	Robert1: I use Coral	Feb 01 20:32
schestowitz	I probably should use it more	Feb 01 20:33
schestowitz	As it, assign it to more pages	Feb 01 20:33
Robert1	i would really like to see microsoft get really annoyed, that is when they screw up the worst	Feb 01 20:33
schestowitz	But I have to stay vigilant to check what hammers on the server.. the other option being to trim down pages	Feb 01 20:33
schestowitz	Robert1: they already get annoyed	Feb 01 20:33
Robert1	how many hits are you getting on the server	Feb 01 20:34
schestowitz	Robert1: see the "vista7 will kill Linux" roadshow	Feb 01 20:34
Robert1	no, not yet	Feb 01 20:34
schestowitz	BTW, Microsoft actually uses this phrase, "roadshow" (internally)... like when they orchestrate the "NC is dead tour"	Feb 01 20:34
schestowitz	Robert1: I use Coral now	Feb 01 20:34
schestowitz	But the site still seemt to do about 50000/hour	Feb 01 20:35
Robert1	what is coral?	Feb 01 20:35
schestowitz	http://www.coralcdn.org/	Feb 01 20:35
schestowitz	"Coral is a free peer-to-peer content distribution network, comprised of a world-wide network of web proxies and nameservers. It allows a user to run a web site that offers high performance and meets huge demand, all for the price of a $50/month cable modem.	Feb 01 20:35
schestowitz	"	Feb 01 20:35
Robert1	noted, i will check it out shortly	Feb 01 20:36
schestowitz	I found out thanks to Rick Lehrbaum	Feb 01 20:36
schestowitz	((DeviceGuru)	Feb 01 20:36
Robert1	do you have any root access to your server	Feb 01 20:36
schestowitz	http://www.deviceguru.com/surviving-...	Feb 01 20:36
schestowitz	Robert1: no	Feb 01 20:36
schestowitz	Not even SSH	Feb 01 20:36
schestowitz	My stalker (MS 'buddy') is attacking me again.. http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linux...	Feb 01 20:38
Robert1	not good, if you were to be able to get access to the systems server logs & block off some of the traffic from well known trolls, that would help	Feb 01 20:38
schestowitz	Thankfully I see this in RSS (logged off) mode... these people keep throwing slime	Feb 01 20:38
schestowitz	Robert1: I can I ban, but I don;t	Feb 01 20:38
schestowitz	*IP ban	Feb 01 20:39
schestowitz	I thought about disabling comments altogether and make discussion IRC only	Feb 01 20:39
schestowitz	But people won't like that	Feb 01 20:39
Robert1	it's a shame that you can't initiate lawsuites against them	Feb 01 20:39
schestowitz	Robert1: maybe I could, but who would bother	Feb 01 20:39
schestowitz	That's like PJ collecting evidence just in case she sues one day	Feb 01 20:40
Robert1	ip ban was what i was talking about	Feb 01 20:40
schestowitz	(and encouraging me to do the same, which I don't)	Feb 01 20:40
schestowitz	The guy you saw in Dig........	Feb 01 20:40
schestowitz	It's this guy:	Feb 01 20:40
Robert1	i do not go to digg	Feb 01 20:40
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/02/ga...	Feb 01 20:40
schestowitz	There's lots more	Feb 01 20:40
Robert1	i know about GS	Feb 01 20:40
schestowitz	I made a post this morning with another example	Feb 01 20:41
schestowitz	Robert1: how do you know him?	Feb 01 20:41
schestowitz	Harassment from his reaches Slashdot too	Feb 01 20:41
Robert1	btw, i lurk in COLA & i post by the name "none of your buisness	Feb 01 20:41
schestowitz	He tried stalking me in Netscape, they banned him	Feb 01 20:41
schestowitz	In Digg they terminated 4 accounts of his that abused me or impersonated me	Feb 01 20:42
Robert1	i have been lurking in cola since 2001	Feb 01 20:42
schestowitz	Ah, okay, cool..	Feb 01 20:42
schestowitz	trmanco hangs out in COLA also.	Feb 01 20:42
Robert1	i read a lot of your post there too	Feb 01 20:42
schestowitz	The trolls have gone quieter there compared to last year	Feb 01 20:43
Robert1	trmanco probably post with another nym	Feb 01 20:43
schestowitz	That Carla article that Gary Stewart is trolling is a good one	Feb 01 20:43
Robert1	yes, but the stupid ones like hadron & dfs just dont know when to quit	Feb 01 20:44
schestowitz	Goes along the lines of, Microsoft turns writers into mere readers... consumers of the Microsoft Message, which is true	Feb 01 20:44
schestowitz	Coders need to control code... sysadmin likewise.	Feb 01 20:44
trmanco	Robert1, I'm not a nym, nor a troll	Feb 01 20:44
schestowitz	But Microsoft turns this to an NSA\|soft joint ventures where mere mortal are box booters on very flaky and virus-prone platforms	Feb 01 20:44
schestowitz	Robert1: he posts with a real name	Feb 01 20:45
trmanco	And I don't have no nyms, at least that I am aware of	Feb 01 20:45
schestowitz	trmanco: it wasn't intended to be offensive	Feb 01 20:45
Robert1	yes, microsoft has done more damage globally than any thing ever	Feb 01 20:45
schestowitz	the mapping between name and nickname is hard	Feb 01 20:45
schestowitz	We get more answers now with Comes	Feb 01 20:46
trmanco	non taken, maybe I should have included some smilies :-P	Feb 01 20:46
schestowitz	I should have done this 2 years ago	Feb 01 20:46
Robert1	the only reason i was forced to use a nym was because of the stocker trolls like clogwog	Feb 01 20:46
schestowitz	But 2 years ago I was finishing my studies (actually that was more like 3 years ago)	Feb 01 20:46
schestowitz	That's what they try to do	Feb 01 20:47
trmanco	Robert1, just ignore them	Feb 01 20:47
schestowitz	They scare people	Feb 01 20:47
schestowitz	Don't let them win...	Feb 01 20:47
trmanco	plonking usually works like a charm	Feb 01 20:47
Robert1	oh, i wont let them win	Feb 01 20:47
schestowitz	They post addresses as if to say , "I could come over to you house"	Feb 01 20:47
Robert1	yes, i use KNodes filtering exclusively	Feb 01 20:48
schestowitz	That's like the mafia don showing you the wife handcuffed or something.	Feb 01 20:48
schestowitz	with a bandage over the mouth.	Feb 01 20:48
schestowitz	And he says, "respects, my son, respect... do as I say"	Feb 01 20:48
Robert1	i am not scared of the trolls, however, i don't like someone posting personal info in usenet about me	Feb 01 20:49
schestowitz	Criminals see no laws, let alone ethics	Feb 01 20:50
Robert1	right	Feb 01 20:50
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/15/mi...	Feb 01 20:51
schestowitz	"Roy, et al., You’re right. Some of the evangelism practices that I taught and executed at Microsoft in the 1990’s were unethical. I didn’t think so at the time — I thought that they were just hyper-competitive — but I agree now. "	Feb 01 20:51
schestowitz	"I am trying to change the error of my ways. I trust that you will agree that even the most hardened sinner can be redeemed."	Feb 01 20:51
Robert1	not to mention that our (the us government) is full of them	Feb 01 20:51
schestowitz	IOW: I was a criminals. I realise now that crime is wrong.	Feb 01 20:51
schestowitz	http://www.bermanexposed.org	Feb 01 20:52
schestowitz	""Richard Berman has been a regular front man for business and industry in campaigns against consumer safety and environmental groups. Through his public affairs firm, Berman and Company, Berman has fought unions, Mothers Against Drunk Driving, PETA and other watchdog groups in their efforts to raise awareness about obesity, the minimum wage, the dangers of smoking, mad cow disease, drunk driving, and other causes."	Feb 01 20:53
schestowitz	Robert1: the US government is no standard	Feb 01 20:53
schestowitz	Neither is the UN I guess.	Feb 01 20:53
Robert1	that just goes to show how unethical some people in society are	Feb 01 20:54
schestowitz	Money	Feb 01 20:54
schestowitz	See Carla's article	Feb 01 20:54
schestowitz	"Money is not Wealth"	Feb 01 20:54
Robert1	ok, i will check carlas article out	Feb 01 20:55
Robert1	btw, i like this chat clent, works great in konqy	Feb 01 20:56
schestowitz	Excellent	Feb 01 20:58
schestowitz	Is it full screen-ed?	Feb 01 20:58
Robert1	no	Feb 01 20:58
schestowitz	I put a link to it, just in case	Feb 01 20:59
schestowitz	The visible borders in the site are narrow, so..	Feb 01 20:59
schestowitz	I've just been thinking..	Feb 01 21:00
Robert1	roy, what Linux distros do you use on a regular basis	Feb 01 21:00
schestowitz	One of the pages that are requested most is the front page	Feb 01 21:00
schestowitz	About 3000 requests per day	Feb 01 21:00
schestowitz	I could Coral-ise that	Feb 01 21:00
schestowitz	That would take some pressure off the server	Feb 01 21:00
schestowitz	Issue: front page is very much NOT static (comments on the right, new posts)	Feb 01 21:00
Robert1	i have placed a icon for BN on my desktop	Feb 01 21:01
schestowitz	So in mayday scenario it might be practical, but not regularly.	Feb 01 21:01
schestowitz	Robert1: I use Mandriva most of the time	Feb 01 21:01
Robert1	i even use the BN favicon, try using favicons in windows	Feb 01 21:01
schestowitz	I did some Fedora today to restore the site (thanks, Opera!) and I have Ubuntu at work	Feb 01 21:01
schestowitz	I think favicons are a Windows thing actually.	Feb 01 21:02
schestowitz	I might be wrong	Feb 01 21:02
Robert1	i use Mepis on my main computer & debian on the others	Feb 01 21:02
schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/?s=fav...	Feb 01 21:02
schestowitz	Mepis is Debian-driven again.	Feb 01 21:02
schestowitz	*derived	Feb 01 21:03
Robert1	yes, they may be, but you cannot use a favicon on the windows desktop for a link to a webpage	Feb 01 21:03
Robert1	yes, i know, i am currently using Mepis 7, the debianised one	Feb 01 21:04
schestowitz	8 is Debian-based	Feb 01 21:04
schestowitz	Was Warren going to make /_8_/ Ubuntu based before he said "toss it"	Feb 01 21:04
Robert1	i know, but a final release is not out yet, (last time i checked)	Feb 01 21:04
schestowitz	I thought 7 was the Ubuntu -based one..	Feb 01 21:05
schestowitz	RC2, IIRC	Feb 01 21:05
Robert1	no	Feb 01 21:05
schestowitz	Maybe Beta2	Feb 01 21:05
Robert1	mepis 7 is debian, not ubuntu	Feb 01 21:05
Robert1	yes, the RC's are still considered beta	Feb 01 21:06
Robert1	i will probably still be using Mepis7 this time next year	Feb 01 21:07
schestowitz	At Microsoft, according to analysts, RC is BETA and RTM is RC	Feb 01 21:07
schestowitz	It's Released to Candidates (RC)	Feb 01 21:07
schestowitz	I.e. released to some guinea pigs	Feb 01 21:07
schestowitz	RTGP=RTM	Feb 01 21:08
Robert1	since when did microsoft ever get it right as far as analogies	Feb 01 21:08
schestowitz	Owellian langauage rather	Feb 01 21:08
schestowitz	Will Vista7 have more genuine advantage? ;-)	Feb 01 21:08
Robert1	yes,	Feb 01 21:08
schestowitz	Will there be more /trusted/ computing?	Feb 01 21:08
jsluvslinux	great timeline link here:	Feb 01 21:09
jsluvslinux	http://futurist.se/gldt/gldt76.png	Feb 01 21:09
Robert1	most likely	Feb 01 21:09
schestowitz	More security (DRM)?	Feb 01 21:09
schestowitz	[for Hollywood]	Feb 01 21:09
schestowitz	I think I saw a more expanded timeline	Feb 01 21:09
Robert1	i am willing to bet that "vista 7" will also be a flop	Feb 01 21:09
schestowitz	I'm not feelin' myself today	Feb 01 21:10
schestowitz	When sites and services are down, I can't concentrate	Feb 01 21:10
jsluvslinux	link?	Feb 01 21:10
schestowitz	Whether it's USENET or a site of mine (schestowitz.com, OM, BN, Iuron) or something like the ISP	Feb 01 21:10
schestowitz	DNS was being hammered by Win32 zombies last week	Feb 01 21:10
schestowitz	I couldn't use the Web, so I fled to the gym]	Feb 01 21:11
schestowitz	Robert1: Vista7 will be less than expected	Feb 01 21:11
schestowitz	As in.... WOW... WOW (Vista sense)... hey, wait... it's just kind of like... well,, better than XP... fewer programs though... more bugs	Feb 01 21:11
schestowitz	But HEY	Feb 01 21:12
schestowitz	It's better than Vista	Feb 01 21:12
schestowitz	You feed people snail in prison	Feb 01 21:12
jsluvslinux	my guess is the conflicker botnet, once it arrives at 30 to 40 million is going to take out all DNS	Feb 01 21:12
schestowitz	Finally you see them begging for bread	Feb 01 21:12
schestowitz	jsluvslinux: yes, i's that one	Feb 01 21:12
schestowitz	jsluvslinux: I don't know where the timeline is	Feb 01 21:12
Robert1	i just don't see why government is not stepping up to the plate & addressing the fact that the problems are "windows" problems & doing somthing about it	Feb 01 21:13
jsluvslinux	no problem...	Feb 01 21:13
jsluvslinux	thanks	Feb 01 21:13
schestowitz	I ranted about this last week: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/2...	Feb 01 21:13
Robert1	i saw that article	Feb 01 21:13
jsluvslinux	our govt makes too much tax revenue from MS...they are scared	Feb 01 21:13
schestowitz	Yes	Feb 01 21:13
schestowitz	But MS does not pay tax	Feb 01 21:13
jsluvslinux	I saw that...and imho you are right on track	Feb 01 21:13
schestowitz	It's about controll, not money	Feb 01 21:13
Robert1	in fact, i bookmarked it & sent the link to some people i know	Feb 01 21:13
jsluvslinux	but all the customers who buy it do...	Feb 01 21:14
schestowitz	Many militaries still run Windows (they move to Linux)... so US has back doors	Feb 01 21:14
schestowitz	And it DOES use them... it won't say this in pub lic	Feb 01 21:14
schestowitz	In a war it'll be able to suspend everything behind enemy lines.	Feb 01 21:14
jsluvslinux	likely..yes good point	Feb 01 21:14
schestowitz	75 pc developers employ open source in APAC < http://www.ciol.com/Developer/Open-Source/Interviews... >	Feb 01 21:15
schestowitz	jsluvslinux: see the link	Feb 01 21:15
Robert1	i knew about the back doors in windows installations on .mil domains in 1998, when spammers were using exchange servers to send spam with	Feb 01 21:15
schestowitz	http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/0...	Feb 01 21:15
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/24... "The last thing on earth we want is some semi-educated person on the night shift seeing a red light go on on his PC that says 'attack' and launching real bombs."	Feb 01 21:16
schestowitz	"What would happen next? The RIAA, a major campaign donor, calls up the Pentagon screaming 'Cyber attack'. Next thing you know, in the name of national security, an apartment building in Brooklyn, 17 cows in Iowa, half of the middle east, and a cheese factory outside Lyon all go up in glowing smoke. "	Feb 01 21:16
schestowitz	That's why they call it MAFIAA	Feb 01 21:16
schestowitz	http://mafiaa.org/	Feb 01 21:17
jsluvslinux	thanks...nice link...	Feb 01 21:18
jsluvslinux	you have a place to donate to your website?	Feb 01 21:18
jsluvslinux	paypal..	Feb 01 21:18
schestowitz	No donations yet	Feb 01 21:18
schestowitz	Thanks a lot though	Feb 01 21:18
Robert1	well, all of this crap is happining & will continue to do so as long as we people let the coporations control the government	Feb 01 21:19
jsluvslinux	ok...but I think you are a savior....	Feb 01 21:19
schestowitz	Some people offered this before, but I'm not ready for this. Had it not been for Shane paying the bills, I'd remove the ads too. They harm the site's credibility, making it seem like a pro-profit, which is ain't.	Feb 01 21:19
schestowitz	jsluvslinux: I just link to people's stuff	Feb 01 21:19
schestowitz	The ones doing the hard work are Helios et al.	Feb 01 21:20
jsluvslinux	helios is awesome..I have dontated to him..wish I could help more	Feb 01 21:20
schestowitz	There are out there every day putting Linux on people's boxes and arguing with silly pedagogues..	Feb 01 21:20
Robert1	well, roy, your work ain't easy ether. but it is really appreciated	Feb 01 21:21
schestowitz	Helios respects what I do a lot	Feb 01 21:21
schestowitz	Some other in LXer are very hostile	Feb 01 21:21
jsluvslinux	<--- me...yep..my boss teaches at crafton hills, and he is doing great work iwith students also, in helping them understand Linux	Feb 01 21:21
schestowitz	People in LinuxToday are far more supportive though	Feb 01 21:21
schestowitz	jsluvslinux: seen the helios videos yet?	Feb 01 21:21
jsluvslinux	yes, some of them..	Feb 01 21:22
schestowitz	http://www.archive.org/browse.php?field=subject... Look under "cali"/"Helois"/others	Feb 01 21:22
Robert1	i actively install GNU/Linux on all of my freinds & neighbors computers	Feb 01 21:22
schestowitz	I put many of them in BN around August, one or two per day	Feb 01 21:22
Robert1	roy, what is your local time there now?\	Feb 01 21:24
schestowitz	Aggressive headline from Michael Larabel... very odd.. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?... (Intel's Poulsbo Driver A Bloody Mess?)	Feb 01 21:24
schestowitz	I'll go to #phoronix and tell him	Feb 01 21:24
schestowitz	It's 9:30 here	Feb 01 21:25
schestowitz	The weekend's sort of ruined cause of the host/site, but it's not because it's truly bad	Feb 01 21:25
schestowitz	I mean, many people read the stuff, but it has a toll... emotional and cost of time..wrestling with the host or db	Feb 01 21:26
schestowitz	I'm starting to suspect that mysql is just FINE... as it's always been.	Feb 01 21:26
schestowitz	The DB was disabled for no reason	Feb 01 21:26
schestowitz	I was editing a post	Feb 01 21:26
schestowitz	All was responsive. I save it... wrote some more words... saved again and bang! No DB	Feb 01 21:26
schestowitz	The server was not stressed	Feb 01 21:27
trmanco	you should get a VPS or something	Feb 01 21:28
schestowitz	It's $$ey	Feb 01 21:29
Robert1	just went to the link http://www.phoronix.com/scan.p... i wonder why they would require the use of this driver anyway	Feb 01 21:29
schestowitz	http://www.catalyst2.com/dedica...	Feb 01 21:30
schestowitz	Price €£199/month €£299/month €£399/month	Feb 01 21:30
schestowitz	I don't even know if it's multi-server	Feb 01 21:30
trmanco	no not dedicated	Feb 01 21:31
schestowitz	"We exclusively use Dell PowerEdge servers, built to order, allowing each server to be tailored specifically to your requirements. This allows us to offer the latest technologies such as quad-core processors and SAS before many of our competitors."	Feb 01 21:31
schestowitz	http://www.catalyst2.com/premium	Feb 01 21:31
Robert1	could this mean that intel may be folding to some of the pressure that microsoft is putting on intel	Feb 01 21:31
trmanco	schestowitz, something like this http://www.wiredtree.com/managedvps/	Feb 01 21:32
trmanco	* Intel Dual Xeon Harpertown	Feb 01 21:32
trmanco	* 384MB Guaranteed SLM RAM	Feb 01 21:32
trmanco	* 40GB RAID-10 Disk Space	Feb 01 21:32
trmanco	* 600GB Bandwidth	Feb 01 21:32
trmanco	* 4 Dedicated IPs	Feb 01 21:32
schestowitz	BTW, that's the host that very well handles all my sites, other than BN which Shane is managing on the host side although we both have privileges	Feb 01 21:32
trmanco	* cPanel / WHM (VPS Optimized)	Feb 01 21:32
trmanco	* Virtuozzo 4 with Power Panel	Feb 01 21:32
trmanco	* Fantastico, RVSkin, WHMCS Available	Feb 01 21:32
trmanco	* Starting at: $44/month	Feb 01 21:32
schestowitz	4 IPs?	Feb 01 21:32
schestowitz	Meaning what...?	Feb 01 21:33
schestowitz	How does that compare to Coral options?	Feb 01 21:33
trmanco	I have to idea about h IP things	Feb 01 21:33
trmanco	what caught my eyes was the ram, the disk space and the bandwidth	Feb 01 21:34
schestowitz	That's what we use for BN: http://www.hostdime.com/services/shared/	Feb 01 21:34
schestowitz	And he has several domains on the same account, so it's cheap	Feb 01 21:34
Robert1	there is another important issue that you need to take into consideration when looking for a webhost	Feb 01 21:34
schestowitz	Support?	Feb 01 21:35
Robert1	you need to check out who the webhost upstram providor is	Feb 01 21:35
Robert1	you also need to see if the webhost is "multihomed"	Feb 01 21:36
Robert1	you also need to check & see if any of the ip addresses that they are going to asign you in not in any of the DNSBL blocklist	Feb 01 21:37
trmanco	schestowitz, but yours is shared	Feb 01 21:37
schestowitz	Yeah...	Feb 01 21:37
schestowitz	But I don't think we'll move	Feb 01 21:37
schestowitz	We'll come with what we have	Feb 01 21:37
schestowitz	I wonder if Helios moved to blogspot because of hosting simplicity	Feb 01 21:38
trmanco	http://kegel.com/wine/cebit2009/...	Feb 01 21:38
schestowitz	There's an article on Wine myths in LWN	Feb 01 21:38
schestowitz	Not advocacy related, but still..	Feb 01 21:38
trmanco	yes	Feb 01 21:38
trmanco	the person who wrote it is a Wine contributer	Feb 01 21:39
schestowitz	I still worry about BN	Feb 01 21:40
schestowitz	I guess though that changing is: 1) not simple; 2) pricey	Feb 01 21:40
schestowitz	So it's better to cope with what we have?	Feb 01 21:40
schestowitz	TuxMachines is back!	Feb 01 21:41
schestowitz	61 unread	Feb 01 21:41
schestowitz	Wow! She barely posted	Feb 01 21:41
schestowitz	Only like 10 a day	Feb 01 21:41
schestowitz	Usually she does 30	Feb 01 21:41
trmanco	yep	Feb 01 21:41
trmanco	it works fine now	Feb 01 21:42
Robert1	yes, it would, but up untill the point that BN becomes really popular & gives you no choice but to move or get more bandwidth	Feb 01 21:42
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GoblinRFD	Hi Roy! You there?	Feb 01 21:43
schestowitz	Hey	Feb 01 21:44
schestowitz	GoblinRFD: I have your comment and post	Feb 01 21:44
schestowitz	No less of data	Feb 01 21:44
schestowitz	Don't worry	Feb 01 21:44
GoblinRFD	cool!	Feb 01 21:44
schestowitz	Link again when the post is brought up again	Feb 01 21:44
GoblinRFD	I had linked you on my site	Feb 01 21:44
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schestowitz	We have hosting issues, that's all.	Feb 01 21:44
GoblinRFD	Roy. Excellent article by the way.	Feb 01 21:45
schestowitz	Robert1: traffic doubled last month	Feb 01 21:45
GoblinRFD	Im not surprised.	Feb 01 21:45
schestowitz	And based on this 1st day of February, despite two major uptime, we double it again.	Feb 01 21:45
Robert1	it will probably go up even more	Feb 01 21:45
GoblinRFD	:)	Feb 01 21:46
schestowitz	Robert1: what to do then?	Feb 01 21:46
GoblinRFD	and you do it all without recieving any freebies from anyone!	Feb 01 21:46
GoblinRFD	unlike other bloggers	Feb 01 21:46
schestowitz	GoblinRFD: the only gain here is credibility	Feb 01 21:46
schestowitz	It would be a lie to say that BN doesn't open some doors because people recognise what we do	Feb 01 21:46
GoblinRFD	I was talking to the wife about this today	Feb 01 21:46
schestowitz	But there is no monetrary gains	Feb 01 21:46
schestowitz	It's like MJF and her Windows books.. or Ed Bought	Feb 01 21:47
Robert1	just be proud that you have a website that is worthy of reading	Feb 01 21:47
schestowitz	They defend what they know	Feb 01 21:47
schestowitz	Robert1: I'm thinking.. indeed..	Feb 01 21:47
GoblinRFD	Roy Ive been meaning to ask......	Feb 01 21:47
schestowitz	But Shane won't like the idea.	Feb 01 21:47
schestowitz	The idea of me moving to another host	Feb 01 21:47
schestowitz	Maybe his host can do VPS..	Feb 01 21:48
GoblinRFD	have you ever compiled a list of companies that have "XXXXX Recommends Windows Vista"	Feb 01 21:48
schestowitz	They all do	Feb 01 21:48
schestowitz	THe ones that survice	Feb 01 21:48
MinceR	i doubt system76 does :>	Feb 01 21:48
GoblinRFD	not all..I noticed when I saw a few that didnt	Feb 01 21:48
schestowitz	Tht razor-thin marguns Microsoft gives for bulk discount (Windows OEM) forced them to sell Windows only or go out of biz	Feb 01 21:48
schestowitz	Must read...hold on.	Feb 01 21:48
GoblinRFD	Micromart has many that dont	Feb 01 21:49
GoblinRFD	ok	Feb 01 21:49
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/ind...	Feb 01 21:49
schestowitz	Skip to part 2	Feb 01 21:49
schestowitz	It explains how Microsoft forces OEMs to do Windows only	Feb 01 21:49
schestowitz	No BeOS /DUAL boot/ even.	Feb 01 21:49
schestowitz	I have yet to cover the exhibits which put names and faces on these crime.	Feb 01 21:50
Robert1	over here in the states, i don't ever recall seeing one that did not have that statement	Feb 01 21:50
schestowitz	*rimes	Feb 01 21:50
schestowitz	Did you see the "recoomends" post?	Feb 01 21:50
schestowitz	This one is read a lot: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/01/...	Feb 01 21:51
schestowitz	This shows that they still do these crimes	Feb 01 21:51
Robert1	it does not surprise me. the current administration will not do anything to fix this problem ether	Feb 01 21:52
GoblinRFD	I wont buy Dell	Feb 01 21:54
GoblinRFD	Their ads are the ones where I first noticed.	Feb 01 21:54
GoblinRFD	Im sure the EU will have something to say on "Microsoft forcing OEM's"	Feb 01 21:55
GoblinRFD	in time.	Feb 01 21:55
Robert1	i am anxiously awaiting for the EU to address this issue. the U.S. D.o.J will not	Feb 01 21:58
schestowitz	Ive just opened tuxmachines in Firefox.. 100+ tabs :-)	Feb 01 21:59
schestowitz	GoblinRFD: yes, unbundling	Feb 01 21:59
schestowitz	It's strong in France. They have a whole movement for it	Feb 01 22:00
GoblinRFD	Roy. Just found something on twitter. The following user appears to be trying to inform MS about a Win7 exploit to which they are not listening.	Feb 01 22:00
GoblinRFD	http://twitter.com/longzheng	Feb 01 22:00
GoblinRFD	Ive followed it to his page:	Feb 01 22:00
schestowitz	GoblinRFD: yes, I have a post about it	Feb 01 22:00
schestowitz	I posted it this morning	Feb 01 22:01
schestowitz	But it will return later along with the rest	Feb 01 22:01
GoblinRFD	doh	Feb 01 22:01
GoblinRFD	ahj	Feb 01 22:01
GoblinRFD	i though I hadnt seen it.	Feb 01 22:01
GoblinRFD	right....thats me done for the night....	Feb 01 22:02
GoblinRFD	im off. see you all monday...	Feb 01 22:02
GoblinRFD	take care	Feb 01 22:02
Robert1	have a good one	Feb 01 22:02
GoblinRFD	Smoke me a kipper, Ill be back for breakfast.	Feb 01 22:02
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Robert1	speaking of eating, it's my dinner time	Feb 01 22:03
Robert1	i will be joining in again sometime soon	Feb 01 22:04
Robert1	roy, you take it easy, & don't worry, BN will be ok	Feb 01 22:04
Robert1	ttyl	Feb 01 22:05
schestowitz	I'll have dinner	Feb 01 22:05
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schestowitz	http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/01/30/inte...	Feb 01 22:10
schestowitz	Doesn't inspire confidence :-SS http://www.pclinuxos.com/index.php?option...	Feb 01 22:31
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Ziggyfish	good morning	Feb 01 22:49
schestowitz	Hey	Feb 01 22:50
schestowitz	I managed to upload the DB as a placeholder	Feb 01 22:50
Ziggyfish	good	Feb 01 22:50
schestowitz	I reckon the host (and I'm guessing here) took the old DB down deliberately	Feb 01 22:50
schestowitz	No mysql error I think	Feb 01 22:50
schestowitz	It occurred to while at the gym...	Feb 01 22:51
schestowitz	I mean, the night before they took the whole thing offline	Feb 01 22:51
Ziggyfish	oh, ok, the host should keep backups of data anyway	Feb 01 22:51
schestowitz	Later they just separated the DB.. that would make sense, but no notification to customer?	Feb 01 22:51
schestowitz	Ziggyfish: I don't think they need DBs	Feb 01 22:51
schestowitz	It's still there in pristine condition	Feb 01 22:51
schestowitz	It's almost as though they fliped a switch to disable it	Feb 01 22:52
schestowitz	*flipped	Feb 01 22:52
schestowitz	So I made a new one :-)	Feb 01 22:52
schestowitz	But that's just a theory	Feb 01 22:52
schestowitz	And example of bad service if it's true	Feb 01 22:52
Ziggyfish	I agree with you	Feb 01 22:52
schestowitz	The other option, however, would be to live the server to rot	Feb 01 22:52
schestowitz	So I don't know..	Feb 01 22:52
Ziggyfish	anyway found a nice some link for you	Feb 01 22:53
Ziggyfish	http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/N...	Feb 01 22:53
schestowitz	I got it	Feb 01 22:53
schestowitz	Posted it yesterday/2 days ago in BN	Feb 01 22:54
Ziggyfish	I hate Monday mornings	Feb 01 23:00
schestowitz	Heh. Monday over there.	Feb 01 23:01
schestowitz	Rainy days and Mondays always get you down	Feb 01 23:01
Ziggyfish	yes	Feb 01 23:04
Ziggyfish	all so true (;	Feb 01 23:04
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