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02.05.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 4th, 2009 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 6:06 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz [H]omer: I could burn a CD and give it a spin, but it’s not a priority Feb 04 00:00
[H]omer SourceForge is the same Feb 04 00:00
[H]omer OK Feb 04 00:00
schestowitz Yuck. Feb 04 00:00
schestowitz The whole Linux.com//./NewForce thing is a whorehouse for MS because they don’t even try to block it Feb 04 00:00
[H]omer Yeah SF = “Sellout F**kers” :) Feb 04 00:00
schestowitz SF awards – sponsored by Microsoft, promoting VS2008 Feb 04 00:01
schestowitz “Show me the MONEY! Money!!!” Feb 04 00:01
[H]omer bleah Feb 04 00:01
[H]omer Show me da bribes! Feb 04 00:01
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schestowitz They have ways to beatify it too Feb 04 00:01
schestowitz eWeek/SJVN too.. Feb 04 00:01
mib_7jblp6 hello :) Feb 04 00:02
schestowitz “yeah… but we ‘hurt’ Microsoft… we make money from them” Feb 04 00:02
[H]omer I’d dearly /love/ MS to try to bribe me with a laptop. I’d rip them to shreds. Feb 04 00:02
schestowitz Errr… well to promote their products Feb 04 00:02
schestowitz If Microsoft pays from it, then it means it gains from it Feb 04 00:02
schestowitz *for Feb 04 00:02
schestowitz Hi, mib_7jblp6 Feb 04 00:02
schestowitz [H]omer: they floated many bribes for Vista7 so far Feb 04 00:02
schestowitz I don’t post these to COLA Feb 04 00:03
mib_7jblp6 sorry for my nick – computer makes me do that… :] Feb 04 00:03
schestowitz Latest example: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/01/andr… Feb 04 00:03
schestowitz This one is MAD: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/10/jo… Feb 04 00:03
[H]omer I try to document Microsoft’s bribery wherever I find it, so TFTL Feb 04 00:03
schestowitz They get poor people now too….. give one laptop for 6000 hours of labour (shilling) Feb 04 00:04
schestowitz In the US ratio is different Feb 04 00:04
schestowitz They want wage slavery Feb 04 00:04
[H]omer Like Belkin Feb 04 00:04
schestowitz Waggener et al must be thinking, “how many shillings/gifts” Feb 04 00:04
schestowitz Like Belkin… 65cents/review Feb 04 00:04
[H]omer Yup Feb 04 00:05
[H]omer Or more Feb 04 00:05
schestowitz And the Turfts at COLA point at NeEgg reviews Feb 04 00:05
schestowitz Just like Belkin Feb 04 00:05
schestowitz Game the system,, then feed with links Feb 04 00:05
schestowitz “People love Vista” Feb 04 00:05
schestowitz [which people] Feb 04 00:05
schestowitz The W-E people.. they cost a fortune! Feb 04 00:05
schestowitz Next: People LOVE Vista7 Feb 04 00:05
schestowitz Proof? Feb 04 00:05
[H]omer “Analysts can be hired for $200/hour” ~ Microsoft Feb 04 00:05
schestowitz Errr… Feb 04 00:05
schestowitz We’ll manufacture some Feb 04 00:05
schestowitz Professors: $200 checks per mention of MS tools Feb 04 00:06
schestowitz Like the cigarettes companies back in the datys Feb 04 00:06
[H]omer New eXb0rks game: bribe reviewer with “schwag” Feb 04 00:06
schestowitz Sending supermodels out to the streets smoking and posing Feb 04 00:06
schestowitz Then the ‘hard’ follows their example and starts smoking Feb 04 00:06
schestowitz [H]omer: A San Jose writer (IIRC) was bribed with XBOx Feb 04 00:07
[H]omer Gate-crash Sony’s PS3 launch with goons in a speedboat, jeering Feb 04 00:07
schestowitz he blasted MS Feb 04 00:07
schestowitz I don’t remember how to easily find this Feb 04 00:07
schestowitz it’s in BN somewhere Feb 04 00:07
schestowitz They have MS employees publishijng XBox games reviews too Feb 04 00:07
schestowitz Today: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_s… Feb 04 00:07
schestowitz “on leave from MSFT – I’ve often wondered how many Microsoft employees have been released on leave to get into other companies only to return to Microsoft with details for harming that other company. They have paid for partners to subvert ISO processes, they have assigned a dozen or so employees just to one reporter to ensure that reporter get Microsoft’s story told Microsoft’s way. “ Feb 04 00:08
schestowitz “I would trust a Microsoft employee as far as I could throw them. They have been that bad in the past and present. “ Feb 04 00:08
schestowitz See gates in Comes exhibits.. he requests “evangelism” (probably a reference to James P. and his army of TEs) Feb 04 00:09
schestowitz http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/busin… “. Some come with less-than-friendly operating systems, such as Linux” Feb 04 00:09
schestowitz I bet they never tried it Feb 04 00:09
schestowitz They’ll say, “we read in the trade journals that Linux is ‘hard’” (maybe some IDC ‘study’) Feb 04 00:10
schestowitz Egan on Vole yesterday:  “A PUBLISHER of CIO arse-covering studies, Forrester Research” http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/… Feb 04 00:11
schestowitz IDC/trade journals (IDG) = ” arse-covering studies” for bad reporting without any hand-on experience with talked-about product Feb 04 00:12
schestowitz *hands Feb 04 00:12
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schestowitz http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2008/12/03/n… Net Applications is bunk. Please don’t cite them blindly. Feb 04 00:33
[H]omer “DEADBEEF”: I wonder how many ppl still get that reference :) Feb 04 00:34
schestowitz Mozilla? Feb 04 00:34
schestowitz 0xdeadbeef Feb 04 00:34
[H]omer “0xDEADBEEF (“dead beef”) is used by IBM RS/6000 systems, Mac OS on 32-bit PowerPC processors and the Commodore Amiga as a magic debug value. On Sun Microsystems’ Solaris, marks freed kernel memory. On OpenVMS, running on Alpha processes DEAD_BEEF can be seen by pressing CTRL-T.” ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexspeak Feb 04 00:36
schestowitz Mac fan vs Freedom s/w: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-101554… Feb 04 00:36
schestowitz Chris Blizzard: http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/ Feb 04 00:37
foobeaf foobeaf is cool, too :) Feb 04 00:38
[H]omer Justin Frankel of WinAMP fame used to have a blog (.plan) called deadbeef, IIRC. Feb 04 00:38
[H]omer Wait, I;ll find the link Feb 04 00:39
[H]omer http://www.1014.org/finger.phtml?skip=0 Feb 04 00:40
[H]omer Still active Feb 04 00:40
schestowitz The VOle hasn’t killed winamp yet? Feb 04 00:41
schestowitz I used Winamp in 1997, IIRC. Feb 04 00:41
[H]omer I used to have an article on another site about the whole story Feb 04 00:42
[H]omer I have a local backup – here it is Feb 04 00:42
foobeaf by the way, I am not native english speaker (writher too), sorry for my errors Feb 04 00:43
foobeaf :) Feb 04 00:43
[H]omer Nullsoft Founder Switches To Linux Feb 04 00:43
[H]omer Wednesday 26th May 2004 Feb 04 00:44
[H]omer /home/deadbeef/.plan: May 4, 2004 – “For a long time I’ve been contemplating (and discussing with friends) moving all of my software development over to open platforms. It’s something I really want to do, but unfortunately I haven’t yet been able to bring myself to it. Partly because I know win32 so well, and partly because a lot of the apps I’m used to using aren’t available on other platforms. And the other part is that the userb Feb 04 00:44
[H]omer ases are so much smaller, and while I don’t really care about the commercial implications of that, it does mean I can’t take shit over to friends’ houses and try it out (though maybe Knoppix is a good way to mitigate around that). But I feel like I’m getting closer and closer to ready. It just seems like the right thing to be doing, especially given the way win32 is headed.” Feb 04 00:44
[H]omer The History, And The Future Feb 04 00:44
[H]omer Some say it was inevitable, but recent entries in Justin Frankel’s .plan confirm that he’s gradually making the move away from Windows, and towards OSS and GNU/Linux. Feb 04 00:44
schestowitz [H]omer: I think I saw that before. Feb 04 00:44
[H]omer For those who haven’t been following the development of Nullsoft and Winamp, here’s a summary: Feb 04 00:44
[H]omer Frankel was an archetypal anti-establishment drop-out, with whizz-kid potential, who went on to do things “his own way”. After emerging from a larval stage of discovery, based on old-school style hacking, he went on to create (what is arguably) the most famous Media Player in the world, Winamp. The company Frankel founded to distribute this software, Nullsoft, was subsequently (and predictably) subject to takeover by none other tha Feb 04 00:44
[H]omer n that industry giant AOL. Frankel would, most likely, use a less complementary description. Feb 04 00:44
[H]omer AOL got more than they bargained for, however, since Frankel’s outlook was not compatible with AOL’s corporate strategy, as they quickly discovered. Tensions increased between the mismatched partners, and came to a head with the release of Gnutella, the world’s first (widely available) decentralised P2P file sharing software, which Frankel touted as a solution to the (legally untenable) centralised server based Napster. With AOL’s Feb 04 00:44
[H]omer plans to merge with another industry giant, media company Time Warner, the development and distribution of P2P software was in direct opposition to their goals, and they demanded Frankel remove the offending software. As you can imagine, Frankel was not happy, however the deed was done, the word (and the code) was spread, and the rest is history. Feb 04 00:44
schestowitz foobeaf: welcome. Error are not an issue; it’s about ideas Feb 04 00:44
[H]omer Under AOL’s direction, the once streamlined, efficient and powerful media player, Winamp 2.x, became the hideously bloated and unstable monster, Winamp 3.x. In fact, users’ antipathy towards Winamp 3 was so strong, that a new 2.9 version (based on the older 2.x code) was released to appease them. Feb 04 00:45
[H]omer Undeterred, Frankel continued development towards version 5 (using the v2.x code as a starting point, but integrating the more useful features of v3.x), which was finally released in December 2003. It was to be his swansong with AOL. Having achieved all he set out (or as much as he was willing) to do with Winamp, in January 2004 he resigned from (what is now) AOL Time Warner, the company that had so vigorously stifled his creativit Feb 04 00:45
[H]omer y. Feb 04 00:45
[H]omer Multimedia software is one of the few remaining weak areas of GNU/Linux, but the arrival of one of the industry’s most talented multimedia developers could begin to change all that. However, Frankel is still in the early stages of transition, so we might still have to wait a while longer. Feb 04 00:45
[H]omer With an impressive portfolio that includes such titles as Winamp, SHOUTcast, Gnutella and WASTE, Frankel would bring a special talent (if not the actual original software) to the OSS community; quite an exciting prospect. Feb 04 00:45
[H]omer Our enthusiasm for the addition of such a potentially valuable contributer to GNU/Linux is only matched by his own, as he states in a later .plan entry, “Anyway, it’s all exciting for me, and addicting. mmm.” Feb 04 00:45
[H]omer I’m sure Frankel will quickly discover, that the OSS environment is much more conducive to creativity than the oppressive regime at AOL Time Warner, in fact we may well see his best work yet. Feb 04 00:45
[H]omer Interesting times indeed. Feb 04 00:45
[H]omer [end] Feb 04 00:45
MinceR :) Feb 04 00:46
schestowitz http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/John_Carmack Feb 04 00:46
schestowitz “Carmack works to promote elements of open source thinking and fan feedback in his game designs. When the source code to Quake was stolen and circulated among the Quake community underground, a programmer unaffiliated with id Software used it to port Quake to Linux, and subsequently sent the patches to Carmack. Instead of pursuing legal action, at Carmack’s behest id Software used the patches as the foundation for a company-sanctio Feb 04 00:46
schestowitz ned Linux port.” Feb 04 00:46
schestowitz I think it used to run on OS/2 Feb 04 00:46
MinceR gn Feb 04 00:47
foobeaf schestowitz: thanks :] Feb 04 00:47
schestowitz But the Gangsters came to ‘clean up’: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0bSubwYn10 Feb 04 00:47
schestowitz Wait; Wrong video. Feb 04 00:47
schestowitz This one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN0K58EfJSg Feb 04 00:48
foobeaf Carmack is my private god of some sort… Feb 04 00:48
foobeaf I love Q3… Feb 04 00:48
schestowitz I played 1 and 2 Feb 04 00:49
schestowitz I don’t like the game’s theme Feb 04 00:49
foobeaf how old You are? :) Feb 04 00:49
schestowitz 27 Feb 04 00:49
foobeaf I’m 31 Feb 04 00:49
foobeaf I am making robots Feb 04 00:49
Ziggyfish fuck i’m good Feb 04 00:50
foobeaf (I should be …) right now… Feb 04 00:50
schestowitz Ziggyfish: you ought to complete that statment Feb 04 00:50
schestowitz *ement. PetoKraus does the same sometimes Feb 04 00:51
[H]omer foobeaf, the quake series rocks! It combines all the best elements of gameplay, aesthetics, and even Freedom (the engines are OSS licensed). Feb 04 00:51
Ziggyfish Just got something to work which took me two hours to do Feb 04 00:51
schestowitz Tell Hadron Quake Feb 04 00:51
foobeaf [H]omer: yes, yes, yes {place: inv. loop} Feb 04 00:52
schestowitz He’s one of the orcs that grunt Feb 04 00:52
[H]omer Roy, Ziggy – I beat you both by 10 years (is that good or bad?) Dunno. Feb 04 00:52
schestowitz [H]omer: I don’t care. The world enters a bad period either way Feb 04 00:52
schestowitz Our grandparents/parents are luckier Feb 04 00:52
schestowitz They leave at better times, I reckon. Feb 04 00:53
foobeaf schestpwitz: don’t be so pesimistic, please :) Feb 04 00:53
Ziggyfish [H]omer, do you mean by age? Feb 04 00:53
schestowitz foobeaf: maybe. Feb 04 00:53
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balzac hello Feb 04 00:54
schestowitz foobeaf: I don’t complain, I just assess based on what happens. We not have a far more destructive civilisation that consumes more than that it can clean up and builds nukes. Feb 04 00:54
balzac Roy, I saw your question regarding web hosting Feb 04 00:54
balzac I have a suggestion: Slicehost.com Feb 04 00:55
foobeaf I’m from former “east europe” now I’m EU citizen – I must be optimistic person :D Feb 04 00:55
schestowitz Vis-a-vis: http://www.pcworld.com/article/158790/us_or…   http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/772/… yay! Nukes power by Linux Feb 04 00:55
schestowitz *powered Feb 04 00:55
[H]omer Bear in mind what I just posted about Justin Frankel, then read this: “Songbird is a free-software media player and web browser developed as open source by a group known as Pioneers of the Inevitable (with members who previously developed for both Winamp” ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songbird_(software) Feb 04 00:55
[H]omer Ziggyfish, yes age Feb 04 00:55
[H]omer :) Feb 04 00:55
[H]omer Frankel is not one of them, AFAIK Feb 04 00:56
[H]omer Even still Feb 04 00:56
Ziggyfish well good, I’m only 22, of course you would beat me Feb 04 00:56
schestowitz He ran way from DRM hell? Feb 04 00:56
schestowitz Vista degrades sound quality Feb 04 00:56
balzac roy – slicehost.com Feb 04 00:58
foobeaf schestowitz: what time is now in US? Feb 04 00:58
foobeaf I mean in Your place :D Feb 04 00:58
balzac gitcha a “slice” Feb 04 00:58
balzac tell em I sent you Feb 04 00:58
balzac what’s the topic in here tonight? Feb 04 00:59
[H]omer foobeaf, Roy’s in Manchester (UK), I’m in Scotland. The time is 01:04 AM GMT Feb 04 00:59
*foobeaf should probably go to sleep… Feb 04 00:59
schestowitz balzac: thanks. Feb 04 01:00
[H]omer part-timer :) Feb 04 01:00
foobeaf I’m in Poland Feb 04 01:00
[H]omer ah Feb 04 01:00
schestowitz balzac: Shane will work this out Feb 04 01:00
[H]omer How’s the weather in Poland? Feb 04 01:00
[H]omer Snow, I bet Feb 04 01:00
balzac snow in NYC Feb 04 01:00
foobeaf cold, messy boy I hate the weather in here! ;-) Feb 04 01:00
schestowitz sudo xsnow Feb 04 01:01
[H]omer no need, I have the real thing here Feb 04 01:01
[H]omer damn it’s cold Feb 04 01:01
schestowitz Our has thawed. Feb 04 01:01
schestowitz *ours Feb 04 01:01
foobeaf [H]omer: boy was not to You, should be “…messy, boy…” Feb 04 01:02
[H]omer Yeah, once u cross the border it’s like going to hte Med Feb 04 01:02
[H]omer foobeaf, yeah I got it @) Feb 04 01:02
[H]omer I think I invented a new smiley Feb 04 01:02
foobeaf :) Feb 04 01:02
[H]omer By accident Feb 04 01:02
foobeaf show me! Feb 04 01:03
[H]omer @) Feb 04 01:03
schestowitz De Icaza on XBox (new): http://tirania.org/blog/archiv… Feb 04 01:03
foobeaf wow Feb 04 01:03
foobeaf this dude needs some surgery…. Feb 04 01:03
schestowitz http://www.itwire.com/conten… “Now who is dipping his snout, Sam? I have no idea why you are always going out of your way to attack and misrepresent me, but, the habit is getting old. It’s…” — Bruce Byfield (in a tizzy) Feb 04 01:04
schestowitz Microsoft has a patent on smileys Feb 04 01:04
schestowitz Some russion guy has a trademark on “:-)” IIRC Feb 04 01:04
schestowitz *Russian Feb 04 01:05
[H]omer “For about a year I have been trying to find someone in the XBox360 division at Microsoft that we can talk to about bringing Mono to the XBox360″ ~ Miguel de Icaza Feb 04 01:05
schestowitz Idiot Feb 04 01:05
[H]omer Well at least he can’t infect the eXb0rks any further than it already is Feb 04 01:05
[H]omer So no harm there then Feb 04 01:05
schestowitz That’s what Novell VPs keep ‘busy’ with Feb 04 01:05
foobeaf schestowitz: patents are just creations of mind, like source code… it’s only illusion of mind… :D Feb 04 01:05
[H]omer Except of course Miguel’s obsession with all things Vole-ish Feb 04 01:06
schestowitz Enabling the MS XBox… good. Let mono go up in flames (literally) with XBox360 Feb 04 01:06
[H]omer lol Feb 04 01:06
[H]omer How bad would it be if Mono ended up becoming a “baby killing monster” like XBox Feb 04 01:06
[H]omer Quite a thought Feb 04 01:07
schestowitz http://slated.org/microsoft_kills_baby Oh NOES  :-oo Tah Mono!!! (oh! and that kid, too) Feb 04 01:07
[H]omer It wasn’t just the /death/ that was outrageous, it was Microsoft’s attitude Feb 04 01:07
schestowitz Monkeys first, then kids Feb 04 01:07
schestowitz [H]omer: yes, I know Feb 04 01:08
schestowitz It got worse. Feb 04 01:08
schestowitz Hold on Feb 04 01:08
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/15… Feb 04 01:08
schestowitz “Hush-hush on our crimes” Feb 04 01:09
[H]omer ‘The family’s “losses and damages, if any’ ~ Microsoft’s lawyers, speaking on behalf of Microsoft. Feb 04 01:09
foobeaf schestowitz: I have no words for this channel :D Feb 04 01:09
[H]omer The loss of a child in a fire started by Microsoft’s /known/ faulty product, is “if any” Feb 04 01:09
[H]omer Sickening Feb 04 01:10
[H]omer and evil Feb 04 01:10
[H]omer How could anyone ever support such a company? Feb 04 01:10
[H]omer Just for /this/ reason Feb 04 01:10
schestowitz Wait.. Feb 04 01:11
[H]omer But there are thousands of other, equally good reasons Feb 04 01:11
schestowitz Xbox Developer Dead in Murder-Suicide < http://kotaku.com/5032443/xbox-developer-… > Feb 04 01:12
schestowitz Last week another Microsoft employee jumped out out the 30th floor (Washington) Feb 04 01:12
[H]omer Yeah, I saw that one too Feb 04 01:12
schestowitz Another guy fell down the elevator shaft of Microsoft building Feb 04 01:13
schestowitz Another guy was murdered IIRC in the Redmond campus parking lot Feb 04 01:13
[H]omer It’s endemic of Microsoft’s inherent (mental) violence, and also shows in their ASA-banned advertising campaigns Feb 04 01:13
schestowitz And a kid who won a prestigious Gates/MS award murkered someone and went to jail Feb 04 01:13
schestowitz murdered Feb 04 01:13
[H]omer Of course the MS shills will now say “but what about Reiser?” Feb 04 01:14
[H]omer A single nutjob among tens of thousands of normal people. Feb 04 01:14
schestowitz Look at this:  Microsoft looks for Xbox love from the ladies < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10154163-62.html > Feb 04 01:14
[H]omer Unlike Microsoft (all have the criminal/oppression mindset) Feb 04 01:15
schestowitz That’s like Don & Mafia asking the local women to cook for them Feb 04 01:15
[H]omer lol Feb 04 01:15
schestowitz reiser was crazy before Linux Feb 04 01:15
schestowitz ask tessier__. He met him. Feb 04 01:15
schestowitz *ping* tessier__ Feb 04 01:15
foobeaf [H]omer: what is *normal* ?? *^_^* Feb 04 01:15
schestowitz Not diving into dumpsters for example Feb 04 01:16
[H]omer Well, not “murderers” is a good place to start Feb 04 01:16
[H]omer Not stealing code from dumpsters, then hypocritically defending the right to “own” knowledge “IP”, for example Feb 04 01:17
schestowitz Microsoft US patent #1: “A method for inserting human apparatus into disposal apparatus for purpose of duplication” Feb 04 01:18
foobeaf :) Feb 04 01:18
[H]omer Not threatening to “knife the baby”, “cut off the air supply”, “tilt Lotus into the death spiral”, and “f**king kill Google”, are other examples of “not normal” Feb 04 01:18
foobeaf You meas anal probe, Cartmans like? Feb 04 01:19
[H]omer double negative Feb 04 01:19
[H]omer You know what I mena Feb 04 01:19
[H]omer *mean Feb 04 01:19
[H]omer I got late-night dyslexia Feb 04 01:19
[H]omer :) Feb 04 01:19
foobeaf [H]omer: I am trying to write propelly couse I am a foreiner :) Feb 04 01:20
foobeaf *foreigner Feb 04 01:20
foobeaf (fcuk) Feb 04 01:21
[H]omer foobeaf, at least you have a good excuse :) Feb 04 01:21
foobeaf yea Feb 04 01:21
*[H]omer is doing some research. brb. Feb 04 01:21
foobeaf my spoken english is just a nightmare Feb 04 01:21
schestowitz [H]omer: you missed one Feb 04 01:21
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/19/brad… Feb 04 01:22
schestowitz foobeaf: at least you speak more than one language. Many English-speaking people don;t. Feb 04 01:24
foobeaf schestowitz: I might be an idiot, I’m just beginning to link a picture on my right with Yours nickname :D Feb 04 01:24
foobeaf schestowitz: I am learning japanease and cheanese :) Feb 04 01:25
foobeaf learning myself :) Feb 04 01:26
schestowitz my ex g/f learned it too Feb 04 01:26
foobeaf cool :) Feb 04 01:26
schestowitz She dropped out of maths to do languages. Go figure.. Feb 04 01:26
schestowitz And Chinese would be her 4th language Feb 04 01:27
schestowitz Stallman can also do about 4 Feb 04 01:27
foobeaf Stallman is not a human beeing Feb 04 01:28
[H]omer Roy, and what was that other quote about “we should whack them” Feb 04 01:28
schestowitz English, Spanish, French and he claims to be capable of more. He aced his SATs (800+800) Feb 04 01:28
schestowitz [H]omer: that would be the Dell item Feb 04 01:28
[H]omer foobeaf, do you mean he’s a *super*being ? Feb 04 01:28
schestowitz Let me find it, I posted it last wqeek Feb 04 01:28
foobeaf *being Feb 04 01:28
[H]omer schestowitz, yeah, that one Feb 04 01:28
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/28… Feb 04 01:29
schestowitz It got a lot of attention Feb 04 01:29
[H]omer So let’s list them all… Feb 04 01:29
schestowitz Downtimes lost us potential big front pagers Feb 04 01:29
[H]omer Microsoft??s Brad Silverberg: ??Cut Those F*ckers Off” Feb 04 01:29
foobeaf [H]omer: RMS is my priv. god of some sort, very imprtnt sort… :) Feb 04 01:29
schestowitz [H]omer: gates: where are we on this jihad? Feb 04 01:30
[H]omer Ballmer: “I’m going to F**king kill Google” Feb 04 01:30
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/12/… Feb 04 01:30
[H]omer Ballmer: “Linux is a cancer” Feb 04 01:30
schestowitz Kempin: Hit OEMsharder with anti-Linux Feb 04 01:30
foobeaf Ballmer: …developers, developers, developers… Feb 04 01:30
schestowitz Maritz: cut off air supply Feb 04 01:31
schestowitz Orlando Ayala is a Real Gangster Feb 04 01:31
schestowitz THe Gangesters are the ones getting promotions Feb 04 01:31
schestowitz Allchin: we should slughter Novell Feb 04 01:31
[H]omer Joachim Kempin, Microsoft: “I’m thinking of hitting the OEMs harder than in the past with anti-Linux. … they should do a delicate dance” Feb 04 01:31
schestowitz Yes Feb 04 01:31
foobeaf so, how can I install my new game on my Vista? Feb 04 01:32
schestowitz Kempin here( full text): http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/30… Feb 04 01:32
schestowitz I still have lots more to publish Feb 04 01:32
foobeaf LOL , just jokeing Feb 04 01:32
schestowitz foobeaf: “my vista?” Feb 04 01:33
schestowitz That’s an oxymoron Feb 04 01:33
schestowitz You can’t own it Feb 04 01:33
foobeaf LOL Feb 04 01:33
[H]omer Brad Silverburg, Microsoft: “I’d be glad to help tilt lotus into the death spiral,” Feb 04 01:33
schestowitz You pay for a licence to rent it for a while Feb 04 01:33
foobeaf I pay for it it’s my ? :D Feb 04 01:33
foobeaf I know, but it’s cool to have a dream Feb 04 01:34
schestowitz [H]omer: Some quotes here: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/08… Feb 04 01:34
schestowitz foobeaf: like you pay for land on the moon Feb 04 01:34
schestowitz foobeaf: or pay Myhrvoldsoft for ‘protection’ Feb 04 01:34
foobeaf If I would have Vista, I would don’t let it “run” for me :) Feb 04 01:34
schestowitz It runs for Microsoft Feb 04 01:35
schestowitz It gives it for free even, or pays you to use it… just so that it has 100% market share and rivals die out Feb 04 01:35
foobeaf therefore I am using redhat eee fedora right now… Feb 04 01:35
schestowitz Remember Comes on “Evangelism” Feb 04 01:35
[H]omer Christopher Phillips, Microsoft: “Yes we’re talking about knifing the baby.” Feb 04 01:35
schestowitz You have to hammer until it’s dead Feb 04 01:35
schestowitz “Coffin” reference there too Feb 04 01:35
schestowitz [H]omer: which exhibits #? Feb 04 01:36
schestowitz I haven’t gotten there yes Feb 04 01:36
schestowitz *yet Feb 04 01:36
[H]omer http://news.cnet.com/Apple-Microsoft-w… Feb 04 01:36
foobeaf but what about the xenix thing? Feb 04 01:36
[H]omer http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/… Feb 04 01:36
foobeaf MS were using it anyway? Feb 04 01:37
[H]omer foobeaf, consider this: By (legally) using Vista, one is helping to fund gangsters. That alone is sufficient reason to not use it. Feb 04 01:39
foobeaf it’s not cool, 100% :( Feb 04 01:40
[H]omer Even if one uses Vista /illegally/ (“Pirate” copy, gargh matey), one still helps spread the disease of Microsoft’s “mindshare” Feb 04 01:40
[H]omer Either way … it’s bad Feb 04 01:40
schestowitz Spyware too Feb 04 01:41
foobeaf I am now trying to lern Plan 9 Feb 04 01:41
schestowitz They harvest info Feb 04 01:41
[H]omer Oh yes Feb 04 01:41
schestowitz Market intelligence etc (what programs are installed and so on) Feb 04 01:41
schestowitz They accuse Google of the same thing Feb 04 01:41
[H]omer http://slated.org/vista_is_worlds_… Feb 04 01:41
schestowitz “The true hypocrite is the one who ceases to perceive his deception, the one who lies with sincerity.” –Andre Gide Feb 04 01:42
[H]omer foobeaf, does Plan 9 work on x86 hardware? Feb 04 01:42
[H]omer Do you run it now? Feb 04 01:43
[H]omer Any good? Feb 04 01:43
foobeaf I guess my robots will try to spy me, too … Feb 04 01:43
schestowitz Criminal policing < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/feb… > Feb 04 01:43
foobeaf [H]omer: yes Feb 04 01:43
schestowitz LOL”When the police conduct a stop and search they have to fill out a form giving their reasons and hand a copy over to you. On mine they wrote that Mr Thomas appeared to be an “influential individual” – a quote I intend to use in future publicity – and had attempted to walk past the police with an “over-confident manner” – always a sure sign of criminal intent. Maybe I am wrong, perhaps there is a forensic linkage with havin Feb 04 01:43
schestowitz g an “over-confident manner” and criminality” Feb 04 01:43
[H]omer Good GOD Feb 04 01:44
schestowitz Some friends of mine were stopped at the train station for no reason Feb 04 01:44
[H]omer UK is now definitely a fascist society Feb 04 01:44
[H]omer no question Feb 04 01:44
schestowitz Body searching. I can’t remember what the funny reason was, but one ended up later in a meeting or something. And he’s just a British lad… sinegr. Feb 04 01:44
foobeaf [H]omer: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan… Feb 04 01:44
[H]omer And how about ACTA … conducted in secret (why?) Feb 04 01:44
schestowitz ACTA=crime Feb 04 01:45
[H]omer foobeaf, thx Feb 04 01:45
schestowitz White collar nonetheless Feb 04 01:45
schestowitz But but.. Feb 04 01:45
schestowitz We live under terorr Feb 04 01:45
schestowitz Be afraid Feb 04 01:45
schestowitz It’s emergency Feb 04 01:45
schestowitz Be scared Feb 04 01:45
schestowitz Accept whatever the police says Feb 04 01:45
schestowitz This is AN EMERGENCY Feb 04 01:45
schestowitz More like insurgency Feb 04 01:45
foobeaf [H]omer: Plan 9 in very addictive… Feb 04 01:46
schestowitz Re: acta “conducted in secret (why?)” … because it’s good for ‘them’, not for /you/… trust responsible adult, KID! Feb 04 01:46
schestowitz “them”=wealth holder Feb 04 01:47
[H]omer Plan 9 is published under the “Lucent Public License”, which is incompatible with the GPL. Oh well. Feb 04 01:47
schestowitz Busines is a right, not a chance, remember? Feb 04 01:47
schestowitz I heard the same explanation as yours somewhere. They have franchises. Feb 04 01:47
schestowitz Fishing industry dead? Feb 04 01:47
schestowitz Go hat in hand (well, FLY) to Washington and hire some ‘scientist’ to blame a predatory fish… call it a national disaster and get bailout (i.e. public will send funds to your business so that the bonuses will come ’round) Feb 04 01:48
schestowitz NHS refusing to let patients opt out of Summary Care Record < http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/story.asp?section… > Feb 04 01:49
foobeaf [H]omer: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/plan-nine.pl.html Feb 04 01:50
foobeaf on this site they write that’s issue was with former version Feb 04 01:50
foobeaf (of Licence) Feb 04 01:50
foobeaf http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/plan-nine.html Feb 04 01:51
foobeaf in english Feb 04 01:51
[H]omer foobeaf, Russian script-kiddie “invents” new OS which he claims is “better” than “functionally weaker system, such as Linux” ~ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/03/… Feb 04 01:54
[H]omer Yeah, OK Feb 04 01:54
[H]omer Whatever Feb 04 01:54
foobeaf [H]omer: “linux is obsolete” :D Feb 04 01:54
[H]omer foobeaf, re: Plan 9 – OK I read the page. I’m glad they sorted out the licensing issues Feb 04 01:56
[H]omer The Wikipedia entry needs updated Feb 04 01:56
foobeaf [H]omer: me too Feb 04 01:56
foobeaf [H]omer: I will using it in my firm… Feb 04 01:57
foobeaf my Significant other gives my “last warning” Feb 04 01:58
[H]omer for what? Feb 04 01:58
foobeaf I must kill my procesess  here :D Feb 04 01:58
schestowitz [H]omer: make sure Jimmi ain’t there. Feb 04 01:58
[H]omer Ah, time for bed? Feb 04 01:58
foobeaf “go to bed” yea Feb 04 01:58
schestowitz I heard edits were made to the ACPI article Feb 04 01:59
[H]omer schestowitz, I saw the new comments on the talk page :) Feb 04 01:59
schestowitz OK Feb 04 01:59
[H]omer hehe Feb 04 01:59
foobeaf guys I love this channel, hope to see You soon… ^_^ Feb 04 01:59
schestowitz Thanks :-) Feb 04 01:59
[H]omer Gnight foobeaf Feb 04 01:59
schestowitz I have good posts for tomorrow Feb 04 02:00
schestowitz No time to post them now Feb 04 02:00
foobeaf cool Feb 04 02:00
foobeaf CU next time Feb 04 02:00
[H]omer schestowitz, I’m off too. I have a couple of COLA posts to do, then bed Feb 04 02:00
schestowitz I’ll go at 4 Feb 04 02:00
schestowitz Like yesterday Feb 04 02:00
[H]omer hardcore Feb 04 02:00
schestowitz I was waking up at worse times years ago Feb 04 02:01
schestowitz Flipped all the way around sometimes Feb 04 02:01
[H]omer bit of an insomniac myself too Feb 04 02:01
schestowitz Nothing like waking up and go out drinking Feb 04 02:01
[H]omer Stoodent days :) Feb 04 02:01
schestowitz Na.. post them.. Feb 04 02:01
[H]omer ANyway … later Feb 04 02:01
schestowitz I finished my student days in 2005 Feb 04 02:02
schestowitz In technical terms, not official ones Feb 04 02:02
foobeaf bye! drinking maybe next time Feb 04 02:02
*foobeaf (i=58dc6a16@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-88b99bbca0b44790) has left #boycottnovell Feb 04 02:02
schestowitz Vista: Microsoft’s biggest failure yet? < http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6196 > Feb 04 02:16
schestowitz A truly light-weight OS: Written in ASM, with GUI, networking and apps < http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6194 > Feb 04 02:20
schestowitz “Thank you 80,000 Followers © Samfry Ltd 2009″ < http://www.stephenfry.com/blog/20… > Feb 04 02:29
*oob (n=oob@125-236-204-237.adsl.xtra.co.nz) has joined #boycottnovell Feb 04 02:44
oob good afternoon Feb 04 02:44
schestowitz Hey, what’s up? Feb 04 02:45
schestowitz I got some mails about the Waugh story Feb 04 02:46
oob hiya – not much, taking an easy day enjoying the sunshine Feb 04 02:47
oob did you now? i’m most interested in any further details Feb 04 02:47
schestowitz On Waugh? Feb 04 02:51
oob yes, absolutely Feb 04 02:51
schestowitz OK Feb 04 02:52
schestowitz “I saw this a long time back – nothing significant really. The Waughs are trying to make money off selling OLPC laptops to poor children.” Feb 04 02:52
schestowitz So that’s the plan I’m told Feb 04 02:52
oob okay Feb 04 02:53
oob smells like the stench of desperation Feb 04 02:55
schestowitz OLPC.. I don’t know Feb 04 02:56
schestowitz But I wish them well. Honestly, I do. Jeff’s wife is a nice person and I heard Jeff has become nicer too Feb 04 02:57
schestowitz Based on LCA2009 Feb 04 02:57
oob i don’t share the sentiment. quisling fifth-columnists. Feb 04 02:58
schestowitz They did some good Feb 04 03:00
schestowitz Like the OSS surveys in AU Feb 04 03:00
jose__ schestowitz, just looked at your email reply. Feb 04 03:01
jose__ i had already rewritten it Feb 04 03:01
jose__ again Feb 04 03:01
jose__ this one is way to the point Feb 04 03:01
schestowitz Let’s do it faster Feb 04 03:01
jose__ i skip details since i can go heavier on a part 2 Feb 04 03:01
schestowitz Just send me whatever. Feb 04 03:02
schestowitz As references, it would be handy to have all the comments from LT that touch on the subjject too. I’ll append it at the bottom maybe? :-) Feb 04 03:03
jose__ i didn’t realize you had replied.. i really thought it was too much. Feb 04 03:03
jose__ anyway, this new one is to the point. Feb 04 03:03
jose__ i intended to make a reference to one lt link (within part 1) Feb 04 03:04
schestowitz The Novell shills will complain if it just says “reader’s article” without giving full name :-D Feb 04 03:04
jose__ Jose_X is not my full name? Feb 04 03:04
schestowitz Notice how to trolling backed off after they had been sort of exposed in one way or another Feb 04 03:04
jose__ :-) Feb 04 03:04
schestowitz I no longer wrestle with comments all day Feb 04 03:04
schestowitz Jose_X is recognised name Feb 04 03:05
schestowitz That’s OPK Feb 04 03:05
schestowitz OK Feb 04 03:05
jose__ let me wait until tomorrow, but probably this last one i sent you will be the part 1. Feb 04 03:06
jose__ thing is i’m seeing stars Feb 04 03:07
jose__ i repeat over and over in drafts and I can’t tell if i am making sense to an outsider. Feb 04 03:07
oob OSS surveys? I’m sure they were of a great deal of interest to the Waugh’s friends in redmond and suspect that they may have been undertaken at microsoft’s behest. Feb 04 03:07
oob http://pipka.org/blog/2007/04/10/microsof… Feb 04 03:07
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