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02.08.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 7th, 2009

Posted in IRC Logs at 6:36 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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twitter MOG gang.  It’s gross how they blatantly self promote at these fake conferences, isn’t it?  “Best M$ Suck Up,” give that CEO a plaque. Feb 07 00:00
MinceR gn Feb 07 00:01
PetoKraus gn Feb 07 00:02
PetoKraus i’m going as well Feb 07 00:02
PetoKraus see you tomorrow :) Feb 07 00:02
schestowitz cya Feb 07 00:04
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schestowitz Alex Jones=friggin’ nutter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AP… Feb 07 03:24
schestowitz *LOL* Feb 07 03:24
schestowitz http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve… Feb 07 04:09
schestowitz IT& jobs market devastated by worst ever plunge in January < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/23087/1231/ > Feb 07 04:19
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schestowitz Fin. http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/art… Feb 07 05:00
schestowitz Are open source acquisitions good for consumers? < http://www.linuxworld.com/news/200… > Feb 07 05:08
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PetoKraus morning guys Feb 07 09:44
schestowitz Salesforce President Quits, No Replacement Named < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159128/salesfor… > Feb 07 11:07
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trmanco “bianconeri4ever (2 minutes ago) Feb 07 13:06
trmanco I just changed the name of my blog from Royal HeHe2-ness to Royal Linuxing! Do you like the name? make sure to follow @Royal_Linuxing” Feb 07 13:06
schestowitz Much better Feb 07 13:09
trmanco he is still on Twitter though Feb 07 13:10
trmanco I already sent him a notice to join Identi.ca Feb 07 13:11
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schestowitz trmanco: good Feb 07 13:14
schestowitz Maybe invite him to BN IRC Feb 07 13:14
schestowitz He reads the site AFAIK Feb 07 13:14
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trmanco if he replies back to my notice I will invite him here Feb 07 13:23
trmanco which he did :D Feb 07 13:23
schestowitz I never spoke to him. Feb 07 13:24
trmanco https://twitter.com/openmania/… Feb 07 13:27
MinceR how are you gentlemen !! Feb 07 13:30
trmanco good Feb 07 13:32
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schestowitz 1709: The year that Europe froze < http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20… > Feb 07 14:57
schestowitz Wow. US military budget: Half a trillion dollars per year Feb 07 15:21
schestowitz That could pay bailout within years Feb 07 15:21
schestowitz Novell operates at a considerable loss. Expect massive layoffs probably by the end of the month (time of the report). Feb 07 15:27
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/article/159071/geeks_… “The companies routinely stored customers’ sensitive personal information in unencrypted text on their corporate computer networks before December 2007, according to an FTC complaint.” Feb 07 15:42
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jose_X http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/02/04… Feb 07 17:44
schestowitz Hey, Jose. Feb 07 17:44
jose_X >> But inside the industry, nobody listens to what their own R&D department or event some external entity – even the very representatives of the operating system they use (Linux). The chip makers will only listen to one thing: Demand from their tier-1 customers. Whatever is in the spec of those who buy their components in millions of units will get implemented. Only those maybe biggest five board-makers are considered ‘customer’. Feb 07 17:44
jose_X Everybody else is not. The Telco who buys from the board maker _might_ still be perceived as having some indirect influence, but the actual end customer, both corporate and private, does not exist. Feb 07 17:44
jose_X hey Feb 07 17:44
schestowitz I was just about to leave because I must Feb 07 17:44
schestowitz I’m going through lots of text today Feb 07 17:44
schestowitz I am sick to see what I find Feb 07 17:45
schestowitz Will post it soon Feb 07 17:45
schestowitz This relates  1% market share-like lies Feb 07 17:45
jose_X >> Thus, it is actually not an anti-FOSS environment, but an anti-competitive environment. Feb 07 17:45
jose_X ok Feb 07 17:45
jose_X the link i just gave is essentially about how ms’s 90% market share or less becomes almost 100% Feb 07 17:46
schestowitz Thanks Feb 07 17:46
jose_X it says that high level enginers inside hw manuf see value of linux but management only wants what their major customers demand Feb 07 17:47
jose_X one more quote from that page: Those intermediaries (OEM/ODM) typically have very limited skill and understanding about anything related to Software, not even talking about FOSS. They know how to make many boards cheap. In fact, their skill typically is so low that all they can use for their products are so-called turnkey solutions: A full reference board design and complete software stack that they can copy+paste with only the mo Feb 07 17:49
jose_X st superficial modifications. Feb 07 17:49
jose_X a related subject came up on thetuxproject since someone recently thought about providing turnkey solutions of a sort to XXX Feb 07 17:49
schestowitz to xxx? Feb 07 17:50
jose_X not sure Feb 07 17:50
jose_X let me get the link Feb 07 17:50
schestowitz triplex Feb 07 17:50
jose_X no Feb 07 17:50
jose_X variable Feb 07 17:50
jose_X xxxxxx… Feb 07 17:50
jose_X or just x Feb 07 17:50
jose_X :-) Feb 07 17:50
schestowitz I know :-) Feb 07 17:50
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schestowitz bbl Feb 07 17:52
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zer0c00l schestowitz: check your mail Feb 07 18:29
zer0c00l i have sent 1 of 3 document (the document with more pages ;) ) Feb 07 18:29
zer0c00l i was unable to send that document yesterday as i was busy installing fedora for my friends Feb 07 18:30
zer0c00l :) Feb 07 18:30
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Tallken hey schestowitz you there» Feb 07 20:13
Tallken schestowitz, ok forget it, there was a MySQL error at BN.com but a refresh solved it Feb 07 20:14
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amd-linux how ridiculous can they get? They trying harder and harder – now telling us, surprise surprise, that consumers are disappointed with Linux on Netbooks because they are used to Windows? Feb 07 20:19
amd-linux Hello? PLEASE? The only benefit of Windows is that you are USED to it???? Feb 07 20:19
amd-linux come on…. Feb 07 20:19
amd-linux http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Li… Feb 07 20:19
MinceR for many people it is Feb 07 20:20
MinceR but they usually don’t realize Feb 07 20:20
MinceR or at least they don’t realize how stupid that is Feb 07 20:20
amd-linux but please that is an argument that maybe an analyst may raise – but not the representant of MS Feb 07 20:20
twitter I have yet to meet a real person who did not like their EEE PC or other netbook. Feb 07 20:20
twitter I do know of several former Windows users who liked them. Feb 07 20:21
amd-linux come on imagine a compqany advertising its products with “it is not good but people are used to it”???? Feb 07 20:21
twitter When you think about it, there are very few GNU/Linux users who were not at one time Windows users. Feb 07 20:21
MinceR they usually call it “intuitive” Feb 07 20:21
amd-linux right Feb 07 20:22
MinceR (as we all know there’s no such thing as an “intuitive” ui) Feb 07 20:22
twitter not even the famous breast.  moms have to learn how to feed baby. Feb 07 20:22
amd-linux if somebody wants to use a netbok for skype or internet, he/she does not care if there is Windows or Linux or krachmaniko under the hood Feb 07 20:22
twitter fortunately, the interface remains the for all the mom’s kids. Feb 07 20:22
amd-linux like I do not care what kind of engine my laundering machine uses Feb 07 20:23
amd-linux as long it works and does not fetch a virus or trojan…. :-) Feb 07 20:24
MinceR i’d like to try this Krachmaniko OS ;) Feb 07 20:24
amd-linux Ok, I will start it as a little project – as an OS for laundering machines ;-) Feb 07 20:24
schestowitz Hey Feb 07 20:24
schestowitz Tallken: yes, that happens sometime. Feb 07 20:25
schestowitz *times Feb 07 20:25
amd-linux MinceR: Krachmaiko OS will be finished together with GNU/Hurd Feb 07 20:25
schestowitz And Duke Nukem Forever. Feb 07 20:26
amd-linux well, maybe together with Duke Nukem Forever :-) Feb 07 20:26
schestowitz I’m preparing text regarding the Slog. It’s 66-pages long Feb 07 20:27
amd-linux hehe same thought ;-) Feb 07 20:27
schestowitz Relates to V7 sub-notebooks in ways Feb 07 20:27
schestowitz I’m in page 39. it’s dynamite in place Feb 07 20:28
schestowitz Tomorrow I have an even bigger synamite Feb 07 20:28
amd-linux V7? Feb 07 20:29
amd-linux Via? Feb 07 20:29
twitter Vista 7 Feb 07 20:30
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8 Feb 07 20:30
amd-linux Ah – you mean Vista SP3…. Feb 07 20:31
twitter glug glug glug Feb 07 20:31
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2 Feb 07 20:31
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-1_flying_bomb Feb 07 20:31
schestowitz V7 (Vista7) is  gonna BOMB Feb 07 20:31
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta Feb 07 20:32
amd-linux I hope it – netbooks are currently taking off – with or without Windows, they destroy MS Feb 07 20:33
amd-linux as their margins erode – I mentioned that we have a Via netbook here in Germany that comes for as low as 149 Euro. Feb 07 20:33
amd-linux Ubuntu preinstalled Feb 07 20:33
Tallken schestowitz, oh ok :) Feb 07 20:34
amd-linux and boy, what do you think how Windows powered netbooks can compete with a machines for sub 100 euro? Feb 07 20:34
amd-linux the fall of this price barrier is a question of months Feb 07 20:35
PetoKraus machines for sub-100 € Feb 07 20:35
PetoKraus i’m gonna take a close look on that Feb 07 20:35
amd-linux look here: http://www.one.de/shop/one-no… Feb 07 20:36
amd-linux the best: they are a MS certified Gold Partner :-) Feb 07 20:37
amd-linux but their top sellers run Ubuntu 8.04 :-) Feb 07 20:37
schestowitz amd-linux: yes, agrees re: margins Feb 07 20:38
schestowitz Microsoft reposes this situation Feb 07 20:38
schestowitz It tries to make it like a WIndows win Feb 07 20:38
schestowitz Suddenly they neglect profit and count installs…. the opposite of how they treat Linux (e.g. IDC lies). Feb 07 20:39
schestowitz amd-linux: MS’ problem is not x86 Feb 07 20:39
amd-linux they can only slow down the movement towards OS as commodity Feb 07 20:39
schestowitz China is coming up with MIPS… ARM brings Linux machines that run ALL DAY Feb 07 20:39
amd-linux right, ARM Feb 07 20:39
schestowitz Intel almost runs at a loss now Feb 07 20:40
schestowitz It sacked 6000 people Feb 07 20:40
amd-linux and they only have Windows Mobile for Arm which is not binary compatible Feb 07 20:40
amd-linux to Windows XP/Vista7 Feb 07 20:40
schestowitz So maybe they won’t go into losses just yet… Intel is a criminal company… shreds criminal evidence too Feb 07 20:40
schestowitz Windows Mobile/CE is dying anyway Feb 07 20:40
PetoKraus VIA c7 Feb 07 20:40
PetoKraus hmm Feb 07 20:40
PetoKraus doesn’t look bad Feb 07 20:41
amd-linux well, but Intel at least broke up with MS girlfriend Feb 07 20:41
amd-linux PetoKraus: well, dont expect a notebook replacement, though Feb 07 20:42
PetoKraus actually i don’t Feb 07 20:42
amd-linux it is a cheap machine between a smartphone and a notebook Feb 07 20:42
PetoKraus notebook is desktop replacement for me Feb 07 20:42
amd-linux but the price makes it attractive Feb 07 20:42
PetoKraus so i don’t expect something to replace it even further Feb 07 20:42
PetoKraus yeah Feb 07 20:42
PetoKraus though Feb 07 20:42
PetoKraus i wonder what sort of memory slots does it have Feb 07 20:43
PetoKraus cramping it up with 2GB ram could actually work really fast Feb 07 20:43
PetoKraus you’d basically mirror your HDD in a ramdisk Feb 07 20:43
PetoKraus is there anything cheaper on the market atm? Feb 07 20:44
amd-linux maybe none – I asked in the German ubuntu forum for experiences with the machine no reply so far but I think I will get one as a cheap Skype machine Feb 07 20:44
amd-linux only OLPC Feb 07 20:44
amd-linux Roy: Did you already check if Intel’s Atom successor is x86 compatible? Talijng about Mooretown: http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/show… Feb 07 20:46
amd-linux as far as I understnand, it is NOT – meaning that Windows will not run on it Feb 07 20:46
amd-linux which, in turn, raises the question what MS will have in its sleeve for machines powered with Mooretown? Feb 07 20:47
PetoKraus how much does XO cost? Feb 07 20:47
PetoKraus 199 and one is donated? Feb 07 20:47
amd-linux IMHO: Nothing excpet of Windows Mobile – which is a joke and not binary compatible with Windows Feb 07 20:47
amd-linux Yes, I think so – you can get it via Amazon Feb 07 20:48
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rami hey guys, its Rami from hehe2.net :) Feb 07 20:50
schestowitz Hey rami Feb 07 20:53
schestowitz What’s up? Feb 07 20:53
schestowitz trmanco: buzzed you. Feb 07 20:53
rami Hey, Roy Feb 07 20:53
rami roy right? Feb 07 20:53
schestowitz Yes Feb 07 20:53
trmanco he is here Feb 07 20:53
trmanco cool Feb 07 20:54
schestowitz Thanks for linking to us. We never spoke before Feb 07 20:54
rami ya trmanco tweeted me Feb 07 20:54
trmanco rami, hi there :) Feb 07 20:54
rami ya we never did, but you also link to me, and thanks….but I always see you on digg :) Feb 07 20:54
rami trmanco, hey whats up Feb 07 20:54
schestowitz rami: too many shills in Digg Feb 07 20:54
schestowitz I used to be there a lot Feb 07 20:55
schestowitz Almost 14000 comments Feb 07 20:55
rami ya ya I know :) Feb 07 20:55
trmanco rami, just reading the news Feb 07 20:55
schestowitz rami: I do a lot of Comes these days. I know you focus on advocacy like I do Feb 07 20:55
rami yeah I do, but am not as good as you guys Feb 07 20:56
schestowitz In lack of material for advocacy, Microsoft’s unearthed crimes are worth inspection. There are many thousands of them. Feb 07 20:56
rami plus am not really an expert…am just a marketeer :D Feb 07 20:56
schestowitz We need people’s original articles to spread the word Feb 07 20:57
rami Yup very true. Feb 07 20:57
rami Just changed my blog’s name Feb 07 20:58
trmanco I like the new name batter than the old one Feb 07 20:58
trmanco better* Feb 07 20:58
schestowitz rami: good choice Feb 07 20:58
schestowitz I saw Royal Hehe2 in Netscape when it was new, IIRC Feb 07 20:58
schestowitz Almost 2 years ago Feb 07 20:58
schestowitz The name mystified me because it sounds unprofessional (no offense intended) Feb 07 20:59
schestowitz I’m still stuck with the name “boycott Novell” which was not my choice Feb 07 20:59
rami well it is unprofessional Feb 07 20:59
rami because the whole blog was just an impulsive thing, never really intended to do it for the long run, and I sure never intended for it to be a linux advocacy Feb 07 21:00
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rami I just decided to play around with hosts and servers because I never done that before :P Feb 07 21:01
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schestowitz rami: it works though Feb 07 21:02
schestowitz wb, conley Feb 07 21:02
schestowitz rami: you ought to post more often, I think. Feb 07 21:02
rami schestowitz, yes I sure do! But I need time really, am gonna quit my day job soon, and going to the US for my masters, that should free up some time Feb 07 21:03
rami schestowitz, and of course any of you guys are more than welcome to guest post :) Feb 07 21:03
conley hello Feb 07 21:05
schestowitz rami: thanks, that’s good to hear Feb 07 21:05
schestowitz What field will you be focused on? Feb 07 21:05
rami schestowitz, well, I try to focus on the simple stuff, things that regular people would understand. I try to put myself in the shoes of people who don’t understand anything about Linux, yet still tech savvy… Feb 07 21:09
schestowitz GNU/Linux suffers from the corruption Feb 07 21:09
schestowitz I came to realise this years ago Feb 07 21:09
rami Also I try to advocate the powers of Linux and Open Source, not the weaknesses of other platforms/models….but of course there is always that snide remark here and there Feb 07 21:09
schestowitz Like the “less than 1%” myth Feb 07 21:10
schestowitz That’s a big lie, you know? Feb 07 21:10
schestowitz rami: I advocates for years Feb 07 21:10
rami the usage is less than 1%? Feb 07 21:10
schestowitz But what do you do when Microsoft unleashes attack dogs? Feb 07 21:10
schestowitz You could either continue advocating or expose the attack dogs Feb 07 21:10
schestowitz rami: no, it’s likely around 5% on the desktop Feb 07 21:11
schestowitz Of course, Apple and Microsoft also have this hypnosis of “deskop=computer” Feb 07 21:11
rami ya I know about the less that 1% myth Feb 07 21:12
rami anyways it can’t be accurately quantified, but I know its not 1% Feb 07 21:12
schestowitz rami: I wrote posts to rebut this Feb 07 21:13
schestowitz If someone says it, you need to rebut Feb 07 21:13
schestowitz If you don’t challenge the big lie, then it become false consensus Feb 07 21:13
rami true, and whats the rebut? Feb 07 21:13
schestowitz The last summary of the issues is here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/06/net-a… Feb 07 21:16
schestowitz I wrote about this some days ago and it almost made the front page of Digg. I didn’t submit this second one (update). Feb 07 21:20
rami schestowitz, hehe, we have different strategies in advocating though. Not that anyone is wrong Feb 07 21:22
schestowitz Yes, I know Feb 07 21:23
schestowitz Maybe if you saw how much corruption drives some companies…. Feb 07 21:23
rami I like your strategy as a read, but not for writing Feb 07 21:24
schestowitz Oh. Feb 07 21:24
schestowitz Well, if by advocating Linux you’d get attacked personally, you’d understand :-) Feb 07 21:24
rami I already gotten attacked personally Feb 07 21:26
rami on the comments at least Feb 07 21:26
schestowitz Wait until they attack you via employers Feb 07 21:28
rami well my blog isn’t called “boycott novell” ….that would set all novell after my ass :P Feb 07 21:29
trmanco LOL Feb 07 21:29
schestowitz Do you know Larry LEssig? Feb 07 21:30
rami of course Feb 07 21:30
schestowitz He does what we do… but for copyleft Feb 07 21:30
schestowitz Or Creative Commons, whatever… some philosophy Feb 07 21:30
schestowitz People attacked him in comments, conglomerates smear him in forums and after 10 years promoting positively he gave up Feb 07 21:31
schestowitz He realised that he had been fighting against corruption without actually addressing its source Feb 07 21:31
schestowitz [H]omer probably knows this story very well. It took a shewed professor 10 years to realise that eradication corruption is worth pursuing for it’s the barrier to betterment like FOSS. But we’re not supposed to /see/ it Feb 07 21:32
rami and whats the source? Feb 07 21:33
schestowitz Where? Feb 07 21:34
PetoKraus <schestowitz> He realised that he had been fighting against corruption without actually addressing its source Feb 07 21:35
rami you said that lessig was fighting against corruption without adresssing the source Feb 07 21:35
rami whats the source? Feb 07 21:37
*schestowitz done 66 pages :-) Feb 07 21:38
schestowitz rami: he was fighting for reasonable copyright law, but the corrupt people were standing in the way Feb 07 21:38
schestowitz So he decided to go after their deeds. Y’know, research this time of white-collar crime. Feb 07 21:39
rami Now he gave up and went to harvard for something else I reckon? Feb 07 21:39
schestowitz Yes Feb 07 21:40
schestowitz Similar stuff Feb 07 21:40
schestowitz Pharmas’ corrupt research Feb 07 21:40
schestowitz This is a generic problem, includes global warming deniers, even stuff like Net Applications Feb 07 21:41
schestowitz http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=97498 Feb 07 21:50
schestowitz US military suicide rate at record high < http://www.wsws.org/articles/200… > Feb 07 21:51
schestowitz Heathrow security defuses deadly rice-milk threat by insisting that it be decanted into baby-bottles < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/02/05/h… > Feb 07 21:53
MinceR http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=… Feb 07 21:58
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rami schestowitz, you didn’t introduce me to the room… Feb 07 22:14
schestowitz Oh, sorry about that. Feb 07 22:14
schestowitz Guys, rami is the Webmaster of a splendid Linux site that attracts thousands of readers and he’s a famous Digg user. Feb 07 22:15
trmanco ;) Feb 07 22:15
schestowitz rami: many of the people here are more or less ardent advocates of Free software. We have our share of stalkers and trolls here, like in most fora :-) Feb 07 22:16
schestowitz For example, benJIman is here for “entertainment” (he dislikes BoycottNovell) and flex__, for example, is an OpenSUSE guy Feb 07 22:17
schestowitz On rarer occasions Microsoft employees enter the channel as well. Feb 07 22:17
rami lol, candid Feb 07 22:17
rami and we hate OPENsuse right? Feb 07 22:17
schestowitz No Feb 07 22:17
schestowitz But they are not happy with opposition to Novell, which owns and sponsors OpenSUSE. Feb 07 22:18
rami Suse was my first distro 3 years ago Feb 07 22:18
trmanco Ubuntu was my first distro 2 years ago Feb 07 22:19
trmanco :-p Feb 07 22:19
rami speaking of Ubuntu, is it just me or is Ubuntu’s sound management is f****ed up? Feb 07 22:19
trmanco pulseaudio is what f’s it up IMO Feb 07 22:19
rami My sound works with a fresh restart, and then suddenly stops at some random point Feb 07 22:20
trmanco I use ALSA Feb 07 22:20
trmanco I changes these setting in the gnome volume menu Feb 07 22:20
trmanco changed* Feb 07 22:20
trmanco settings* Feb 07 22:20
rami Did all that, sound and the mic used to work fine on 7.10…lost input in 8.04 and now I lose sound every X amount of hours :S Feb 07 22:21
trmanco :| Feb 07 22:21
trmanco I have no problems at all Feb 07 22:21
trmanco good thing we have a choice Feb 07 22:22
schestowitz pulseaudio burned me yesterday Feb 07 22:25
schestowitz I was recording some staff in audacious and it messed up for the first time, well… ever. Since I set up this machine. Feb 07 22:26
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rami http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-… Feb 07 22:38
schestowitz Computer virus shuts down Houston municipal courts < http://www.chron.com/disp/stor… > Feb 07 22:39
schestowitz Hi, burmas Feb 07 22:39
schestowitz rami: thanks, 3 people (at least) beat him to it. Feb 07 22:39
rami beat matt asay? Feb 07 22:40
schestowitz Yes Feb 07 22:41
schestowitz Hold on. Feb 07 22:41
schestowitz Posted here first: http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/02/0… Feb 07 22:42
schestowitz Then I wrote about it in: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/06/micro… Feb 07 22:42
schestowitz Than Glyn Moody: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/200… Feb 07 22:43
schestowitz *then Feb 07 22:43
rami schestowitz, lol well you know my main source of news is digg.com :P Feb 07 22:45
rami I need to fix this sound issue, what service should I restart? Feb 07 22:46
schestowitz Can you change the sound server? Feb 07 22:46
rami for sound events I have alsa Feb 07 22:47
schestowitz with arts i’d just ‘killall artsd && artsd’ Feb 07 22:47
rami for music and movies I have pulseaudio Feb 07 22:47
schestowitz Hmmmm…. Ubuntu 8.10? Feb 07 22:48
rami ya Feb 07 22:48
rami audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open audio device for playback. Device is being used by another application. Feb 07 22:48
rami thats when I press the test button on the gui Feb 07 22:48
schestowitz Can you change sound server? Feb 07 22:48
schestowitz There’s a lock on it. Something hijacks it Feb 07 22:49
rami ya thats what I thought…how can I find out? Feb 07 22:49
schestowitz Can you see a pattern? Feb 07 22:49
rami nope, it never stopped while am working…I leave it and go to sleep wake up and find the sound out Feb 07 22:49
schestowitz Also see your tasks/processes in top Feb 07 22:50
schestowitz See if something is hogged up Feb 07 22:50
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schestowitz Maybe toros@ubuntu/member/toro will know. Feb 07 22:50
toros hi :) Feb 07 22:51
schestowitz Hey Feb 07 22:51
rami hey toros :) Feb 07 22:51
schestowitz How familiar are you with Ubuntu\? Feb 07 22:51
schestowitz rami: have you googled to find a similar diagnosis? Feb 07 22:51
toros hmmm… what’s the question? Feb 07 22:52
rami done that a lot, can’t remember what was the results, but this has been going on for months now Feb 07 22:52
rami my sound just randomly dies, just a restart would solve it Feb 07 22:52
rami my dmesg http://pastebin.com/m52ef64d4 Feb 07 22:52
toros Hmmm, I don’t know, what it could be… Feb 07 22:55
rami something is locking up sound for me Feb 07 22:55
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rami audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Failed to connect: Connection refused Feb 07 22:55
toros these random things are always mysterious Feb 07 22:55
toros what kind of chip is this? Feb 07 22:56
schestowitz :-) http://linuxshellaccount.blogspot.com/2009/… Feb 07 22:56
rami 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC’97 Audio Controller (rev 02) Feb 07 22:57
toros I have a similar controller: Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) Feb 07 22:59
toros I think, Intel provides open source drivers for both of them… so they should just work Feb 07 23:00
rami they work, but they just abruptly stop Feb 07 23:00
toros maybe it could be also a hardware-side bug… Feb 07 23:00
rami been on this machine for years, only started doing this with 8.04 Feb 07 23:00
toros It could be also a PulseAudio bug Feb 07 23:01
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toros They use pulseaudio since hardy Feb 07 23:01
rami could I just unistall pulseaudio? Feb 07 23:01
rami schestowitz, there dugg! http://digg.com/software/Firefox_Spott… Feb 07 23:02
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rami gah whatever am gonna restart Feb 07 23:04
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trmanco “Anyway, Vista 7 comes in a “Starter Edition” which is only able to run 3 Feb 07 23:13
trmanco apps simultaneously.” Feb 07 23:13
toros lol, that’s 2 more, what an average user is able to controll ;) Feb 07 23:15
trmanco so, microsoft knows they can’t beat Linux on netbooks, so they will bundle netbooks with V7 starter edition so that the people who buy can think netbook are crap and thus microsot will try and destroy the netbook market Feb 07 23:15
trmanco “only 3 apps running at the same time? Feb 07 23:16
trmanco Let’s see: Feb 07 23:16
trmanco antivirus Feb 07 23:16
trmanco antispyware Feb 07 23:16
trmanco defrag… Feb 07 23:16
trmanco Feb 07 23:16
toros Have you read this article? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10… Feb 07 23:22
trmanco The European Commission and Microsoft: http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2009/02/06/t… Feb 07 23:22
*Tallken has quit (Client Quit) Feb 07 23:23
trmanco just read it Feb 07 23:23
schestowitz toros: yes, we covered it too Feb 07 23:26
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/06/m… Feb 07 23:26
toros sorry, you have so many articles, and I haven’t discovered this yet :) Feb 07 23:27
toros I just started reading your site Feb 07 23:28
*balzac_afk is now known as balzac Feb 07 23:29
schestowitz toros: thanks, and welcome Feb 07 23:32
toros I knew that there is a site called boycottnovell, but I never checked it until now Feb 07 23:37
toros and I am surprised now, how active it is :) Feb 07 23:37
toros ehhh, you have written about this to: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/1… Feb 07 23:42
toros :) Feb 07 23:42
trmanco loool Feb 07 23:42
toros It was funny… I know the guy in person who threw the eggs :) Feb 07 23:42
trmanco even funnier if you know him Feb 07 23:43
trmanco toros, his reason? Feb 07 23:43
toros corruption… Feb 07 23:44
MinceR that 25 million HUF deal, iirc Feb 07 23:44
toros http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/24/… Feb 07 23:45
toros 25 billion HUF Feb 07 23:45
toros that is now about 112 million USD Feb 07 23:46
MinceR oh. Feb 07 23:46
MinceR :) Feb 07 23:47
schestowitz toros: yes, that Ballmer thing is old by now. Feb 07 23:47
schestowitz We have almost 6000 posts Feb 07 23:47
toros the guy is a Linux user (I think, he uses Debian), and we met sometimes on sysadmin days, release parties… Feb 07 23:47
schestowitz He has a site Feb 07 23:48
schestowitz Yellow background, I can’t recall the address Feb 07 23:48
toros yes, I know his site Feb 07 23:50
MinceR http://nagyorgy.uw.hu/ Feb 07 23:50
MinceR he moved the yellow-background page to http://nagyorgy.uw.hu/fsf/ though Feb 07 23:50
schestowitz What does the site’s name translation again? Feb 07 23:53
schestowitz It could be something vulgar. Feb 07 23:53
toros no, there’s nothing vulgar on it… Feb 07 23:54
MinceR i don’t see anything vulgar there either Feb 07 23:54
schestowitz Was detention something that involved moving to IIS? The site is painfully slow. Feb 07 23:54
toros the yellow is about Free Softwares, and it says, that we should support a Hungarian Foundation for Free Software (FSF.hu) Feb 07 23:54
schestowitz The press didn’t tell his story Feb 07 23:55
schestowitz “man throws egg at Ballmer” Feb 07 23:55
schestowitz Not “Ballmer commits usual crimes and get rotten tomatoes for it” Feb 07 23:55
schestowitz That’s business press… no investigation Feb 07 23:55
schestowitz ‘Poor’ Gates… the ‘charlatan’ that’s being chased after by the horrible hounds like Neelie… those ‘harsh’ regulators who want to enforce justice and law. Feb 07 23:56
schestowitz “The government is not trying to destroy Microsoft, it’s simply seeking to compel Microsoft to obey the law. It’s quite revealing that Mr. Gates equates the two.” –Government official Feb 07 23:57
toros the green (the newer) is more political… Feb 07 23:57
schestowitz There’s lots to talk about Feb 07 23:57
MinceR the site is on a free provider Feb 07 23:58
MinceR (and at least here, all free providers suck) Feb 07 23:58
schestowitz There are hardly any facilities for reporting corruption, even when and where you know it exists. The authorities are better at handling small potatoes like shopliting but they can’t handle Big Crime (white collar) from Bi Criminals. Feb 07 23:58
schestowitz MinceR: they may suck, but they don’t suck bandwisth Feb 07 23:58
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