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02.17.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 17th, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 10:46 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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balzac I’d like to see Ubuntu get more competetive Feb 17 15:39
PetoKraus hah Feb 17 15:40
PetoKraus competetive with what? Feb 17 15:40
balzac Redhat is all well and good, but it’s not like I can really invest a great deal of ego in the brand. Feb 17 15:40
balzac Redhat Feb 17 15:40
zer0c00l today i got access to one of the windows server for installing wamp…”when i tried to open a video  a player called “nero show time came up” and asked me some thing like “Patent activation required” when click cancel..it refused to play the file for me… :( then i opened it with vlc player… Feb 17 15:40
zer0c00l is it DRM ? Feb 17 15:41
zer0c00l or some thing? Feb 17 15:41
zer0c00l “nero show time” Feb 17 15:41
schestowitz Try with kaffeine Feb 17 15:42
schestowitz It opens everything I throw at it Feb 17 15:42
zer0c00l schestowitz: thats windoze server .. i took remote desktop to install wamp Feb 17 15:42
zer0c00l yeah Feb 17 15:42
zer0c00l but its the first time: i am being restricted by patents Feb 17 15:43
zer0c00l “Patent activation required” Feb 17 15:43
zer0c00l :( Feb 17 15:43
zer0c00l click here to download activation Feb 17 15:43
zer0c00l thats vague Feb 17 15:43
zer0c00l do you want the screen shot ? Feb 17 15:44
*zer0c00l has offered Screenshot.png (205225 bytes) Feb 17 15:44
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zer0c00l “well patents are used for getting royalties i guess” Feb 17 15:46
zer0c00l they trying to get money from me for using their codec ? Feb 17 15:46
schestowitz I didn’t get the file Feb 17 15:46
zer0c00l i have just started the transfer Feb 17 15:47
zer0c00l its still waiting Feb 17 15:47
schestowitz Codecs should be like WWW.. patent-free… that’s what Ogg is for Feb 17 15:47
zer0c00l will send it by mail Feb 17 15:47
schestowitz FF 3.1 will make Ogg widely supported, so then we need to pressure broadcaster to bury anything but ogg. Feb 17 15:47
PetoKraus well Feb 17 15:47
PetoKraus that’s a broad statement Feb 17 15:48
PetoKraus i’d like to bury flash and silverlight Feb 17 15:48
*DCC RECV connect attempt to zer0c00l failed (err=Connection timed out). Feb 17 15:48
PetoKraus but i don’t really feel any fear from mp3 Feb 17 15:48
PetoKraus i mean, i’m in europe, right? Feb 17 15:48
PetoKraus the patents do not apply here, right? Feb 17 15:48
schestowitz Just implementation (copyrights) Feb 17 15:49
schestowitz They give you a file and say “no matter how you decode it — even with own algo — you must pay us” Feb 17 15:49
balzac RedHat should kick down $50,000,000 to GNU and the FSF and call it RedHat GNU/Linux Feb 17 15:49
schestowitz Then they spread those files all over the world to cage you. Feb 17 15:49
PetoKraus balzac: ? Feb 17 15:50
balzac make a deal with Solaris and offer RedHat GNU/Solaris as well Feb 17 15:50
balzac and market GNU solutions Feb 17 15:50
PetoKraus how would it help? Feb 17 15:50
schestowitz To whom? Feb 17 15:50
schestowitz Inve$$$ors? Feb 17 15:50
schestowitz Freedom? Feb 17 15:50
schestowitz People? Feb 17 15:50
balzac well, the FSF and GNU would have a hard time trying to spend all that, so they could just sit on it. Feb 17 15:50
schestowitz NewKKKons? Feb 17 15:50
PetoKraus to anyone Feb 17 15:50
balzac It’s just chump change to a multi-billion dollar company Feb 17 15:51
balzac GNU could invest it in HURD development Feb 17 15:51
balzac hardware compatibility for the HURD Feb 17 15:51
schestowitz RHT already invests in Linux Feb 17 15:51
schestowitz A lot Feb 17 15:51
balzac RedHat is just another company run by share-holders, greedy executives and PR hacks. Feb 17 15:51
schestowitz Yes Feb 17 15:51
balzac Linux you said Feb 17 15:51
balzac I’m talking about GNU Feb 17 15:51
schestowitz Same Feb 17 15:51
schestowitz Intel, H-P, IBM.. Feb 17 15:52
balzac not really Feb 17 15:52
PetoKraus yeah, not really Feb 17 15:52
schestowitz *Same refers to Linux Feb 17 15:52
PetoKraus I’d like to see GNU/Hurd Feb 17 15:52
balzac I want to see GNU/Hurd reach an advanced stage of development Feb 17 15:52
PetoKraus :D Feb 17 15:52
schestowitz The log sequences is deceiving Feb 17 15:52
balzac The problem is, the Linux faction has been working hard to marginalize GNU and the FSF Feb 17 15:53
balzac Redhat has definitely been in the “open source” faction, not the “free software” community. Feb 17 15:54
balzac For those reasons, i don’t think I want an RHCE cert. Feb 17 15:54
balzac To me, it would be almost like wearing a McDonalds hat. Feb 17 15:55
balzac Let them show their appreciation for the head-waters of their prosperity Feb 17 15:55
balzac proportional to how much they’ve gained Feb 17 15:55
balzac I’m not talking about Linux, I’m talking about GNU and the FSF Feb 17 15:55
MinceR do we even need certs? Feb 17 15:56
balzac they do help an employer to assess your level of technical competence Feb 17 15:56
schestowitz “”Half of the charges made against the four men behind the notorious file-sharing website The Pirate Bay have been sensationally dropped on day two of the trial” :-D  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/1… Feb 17 15:56
balzac and familiarity with specific software Feb 17 15:56
MinceR it is unlikely to match the set of competence/software the employer really needs Feb 17 15:57
schestowitz They still try to fight the Web, no matter what actually constitutes infringement (not port/protocols) Feb 17 15:57
schestowitz balzac: look who’s at Red Hat Feb 17 15:57
schestowitz Michael Tiemann Feb 17 15:57
schestowitz Open Source Initiative President.. Feb 17 15:57
balzac yeah Feb 17 15:57
schestowitz KDE has become more Free software oriented Feb 17 15:58
schestowitz Esp. after some issues like OOXML corruptions from Microsoft and OSI Tojanism Feb 17 15:58
balzac The OSI is a vestigial organ Feb 17 15:58
balzac I don’t pay them any attention Feb 17 15:58
schestowitz Well, don’t toss it Feb 17 15:58
schestowitz Remember they are still on your side Feb 17 15:59
balzac they really arent Feb 17 15:59
schestowitz Same with Apple tools like Asay Feb 17 15:59
balzac they’re just there Feb 17 15:59
schestowitz Don’t knock those who help the cause in different ways or different levels. Feb 17 15:59
schestowitz That would just make us more divided Feb 17 15:59
balzac division is good Feb 17 15:59
schestowitz Microsoft’s Orwell-inspired approach of ruining our vocabulary (e.g. shared source, ms-pl) should be rejected Feb 17 16:00
schestowitz But no infighting where it is not a lost cause (e.g. Novell0 Feb 17 16:00
schestowitz Division is bad, it’s not good Feb 17 16:00
schestowitz That’s how unions are broken Feb 17 16:00
balzac it’s not in-fighting if the people aren’t sharing your ideology Feb 17 16:00
schestowitz That’s how authorities (software ones too) keep people stupid and helpless/hopeless Feb 17 16:00
schestowitz balzac: no two minds intersect Feb 17 16:01
balzac open source is not free software and doesn’t concern its self with computer users’ freedom in general Feb 17 16:01
schestowitz See, not everyone agrees with you on RHT Feb 17 16:01
schestowitz So you reconcile some things Feb 17 16:01
schestowitz Our real issue is people who sabotage, bribe, and balackmail as a business model Feb 17 16:01
balzac i’ll advocate their software over novell Feb 17 16:01
balzac but when ubuntu comes of age, perhaps I won’t be pushing redhat for the enterprise. Feb 17 16:02
schestowitz centos? Feb 17 16:03
schestowitz Red Hat used a lot of volunteer time, so using its clones is no sin. Feb 17 16:04
balzac I’m having good luck with Ubuntu. Feb 17 16:04
balzac blag is the most interesting, I think Feb 17 16:04
balzac I’m happy about the de-blobber script which was developed by blag and is also used by gnewsense Feb 17 16:04
balzac but it’s sad that this junk goes into the software upstream and then it needs to be cleaned up by downstream distros, as an after-thought. Feb 17 16:05
schestowitz Or the opposite Feb 17 16:05
schestowitz E.g. Mint Feb 17 16:05
schestowitz Spread Ogg, fight .NET/Mono (to help GPL Java)…. Feb 17 16:06
balzac and fight flash too Feb 17 16:06
balzac Roy, have you read Saul Alinsky? Feb 17 16:07
schestowitz Journalism Isn’t Dead: More Journalism Projects Getting Funded < http://techdirt.com/articles/200902… > Feb 17 16:08
schestowitz I haven’t, no.. Feb 17 16:09
schestowitz If only we could get support from ibiblio or something… Feb 17 16:09
schestowitz Never tried…. Feb 17 16:09
balzac the reason I ask is because people tend to bring his name up when discussing coalition building Feb 17 16:09
balzac I haven’t personally read his books Feb 17 16:09
balzac I’m a bit more inclined toward demagoguery than coalition building Feb 17 16:09
balzac If I can make anyone squirm at Redhat, Google, or any other company which depends heavily on GNU/Linux about how small the annual budget of the FSF is, I’m ok with being viewed as un-diplomatic. Feb 17 16:12
schestowitz Berman like…? Feb 17 16:15
schestowitz http://bermanexposed.org/ Feb 17 16:16
schestowitz I mean, wrt coalition. Feb 17 16:16
balzac well, I’m forthright about it. Berman is a puppeteer. Feb 17 16:16
schestowitz Google invests in code (GSOC), not philosophy and recovery from society’s ills Feb 17 16:17
schestowitz Google is run by suits in Connecticut or whatever. The question to be asked it always, “how can we turn it to profit?” Feb 17 16:17
balzac yeah, but money is more liquid than GSOC grants Feb 17 16:18
schestowitz If there is a PR opportunity and the cameras are on, that too can be profitable. Feb 17 16:18
balzac google’s people oversee the GSOC projects Feb 17 16:18
schestowitz Companies never take account of factors like environment, rights, employee welfare, etc. Feb 17 16:19
balzac I want to see money $$$ from Google et al >> GNU & FSF Feb 17 16:19
schestowitz That’s a deficiency introduced long ago when corporations were handled as though they were individuals without accountability for anything. Feb 17 16:19
balzac they need to pay tribute to the GNU-Father Feb 17 16:19
schestowitz .You mean, the Holy Linus? Feb 17 16:19
balzac I mean RMS Feb 17 16:20
balzac I want to see GNU/HURD usher in the era of mainstream LISP Feb 17 16:20
schestowitz Shills army: http://www.bermanexposed.org/as… Feb 17 16:21
balzac http://disruptech.com/content/gnu-father Feb 17 16:21
schestowitz It’s truly disgusting how this country is run. In a proper society, some of these people would be behind bars Feb 17 16:22
balzac or at least sued into poverty for libel and slander Feb 17 16:22
balzac and fraud Feb 17 16:22
balzac sued and fined, I mean Feb 17 16:22
schestowitz Google F*ING shills now. Feb 17 16:23
schestowitz http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/… “Google Japan hired a Japanese company called Cyberbuzz, who paid bloggers as much as $100 to write about a new search widget. This was a clear violation of Google’s rules, which Google has aggressively and publicly enforced over the past couple of years, much to many directory operators’ chagrins. “ Feb 17 16:23
schestowitz Disgusting! Feb 17 16:23
schestowitz balzac: these people libel activists and volunteers too Feb 17 16:25
schestowitz They deserve jail or something worse. These are criminals. Feb 17 16:25
balzac it’s an industry euphemistically called “reputation management”. It’s like Chomsky’s “manufacturing consent” and the other PR-industry euphamism “perception management”. Feb 17 16:26
balzac except that “reputation management” is likely to involve trench warfare on message boards and irc chat rooms involving repetetive personal attacks. Feb 17 16:26
schestowitz Criminals Using Skype, Say Italian Police < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1596…  >. Criminals also eat at restaurants, go out to nightclubs and use the urinals. Feb 17 16:29
balzac no kidding Feb 17 16:30
balzac criminals caught nourishing themselves with the aid of utensils, forks and spoons to be outlawed. Feb 17 16:30
schestowitz Yes, the whole PR society is highly unethical Feb 17 16:30
schestowitz Entire countries are run on spin advertising, nowadays just known as “spin” Feb 17 16:30
*schestowitz must be careful of surveillance inside burritos. Feb 17 16:31
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balzac The most brazen are the ones who come out and attack someone decent in a vile way at an inappropriate time Feb 17 16:36
balzac Glenn Beck attacks katrina victims while they’re homeless Feb 17 16:36
schestowitz Who’s that? Feb 17 16:36
balzac Limbaugh attacks Michael J Fox, mocking his neuro-degenerative disorder Feb 17 16:36
schestowitz Katrina was an ‘inside job’ ;-) Feb 17 16:37
balzac A blood-drinking, goose-stepping, cannibal swine who has his own show on CNN Feb 17 16:37
balzac Bush de-funded the Army Corps of Engineers Feb 17 16:37
schestowitz Oh.. Feb 17 16:37
balzac Then neglected the victims Feb 17 16:37
jose schestowitz, wanted to let you know that Sam Dean’s piece http://ostatic.com/blog/novell-delivers… has not accepted comments from me in a couple of days (before the last batch of comments appeared). Feb 17 16:37
schestowitz Kind of like the O’Reilly neocon then, eh? Feb 17 16:37
schestowitz Who attacks people before he even give them a chance to talk. Feb 17 16:38
balzac Glenn Beck recently “tearfully” praised 9/11 widows, whom he had also attacked on behalf of Bush. Feb 17 16:38
balzac These guys are even more brazen and offensive than Bill O’Reilly Feb 17 16:38
schestowitz jose: he lost some of mine too Feb 17 16:38
jose I don’t know much about S Dean, but these last few articles have been Novell advertisements. Feb 17 16:38
schestowitz They seem to be cnesoring Feb 17 16:38
schestowitz Let me show you.. Feb 17 16:38
schestowitz Yes, OStatic employs Novell’s Zonker Feb 17 16:39
jose If you post a reply, I want to make sure to post what was rejected.. Feb 17 16:39
balzac Limbaugh and Beck got contracts for like $100M and $50M respectively Feb 17 16:39
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/08… Feb 17 16:39
schestowitz “Over at OStatic, Sam Dean went on and deleted (censored) a polite and informative comment from me, which was about 30-40 lines in length. It explained what Novell was doing with Go-OO[XML].” Feb 17 16:39
balzac it pays handsomely to tap-dance down the thin line between right-wing Republican and plain old Nazi Feb 17 16:40
schestowitz jose: send it over Feb 17 16:40
schestowitz Also post in another thread to ask why they censor it. Don’t let them get away with it.. Feb 17 16:40
schestowitz Let me show you a vid…. Feb 17 16:40
jose Thanks Feb 17 16:41
schestowitz Watch this:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C… Feb 17 16:41
jose i’ll post there and can always repost or link later if a better thread comes up Feb 17 16:41
schestowitz Here he is also attacking Ron Paul for saying the truth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7JPvbVsDdY&a… Feb 17 16:41
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schestowitz More ‘convergence’ (bad): Toshiba to Acquire Fujitsu’s Hard-disk Drive Business < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159631/toshi… > Feb 17 16:43
jose fwiw, roy, it’s also possible that they simply don’t want a person (eg, myself) to take over the conversation. Feb 17 16:45
schestowitz Hey, you know what Ive just realised…? Feb 17 16:45
schestowitz BN is doing more traffic than Tuxmahines now, based on some criteria: http://www.tuxmachines.org/stats/index.html Feb 17 16:45
schestowitz This is not a WIndows problem, for a change: Nuclear weapons lab loses 67 computers < http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-269574.html > Feb 17 16:46
balzac how the F*** does that happen? Feb 17 16:47
schestowitz jose: maybe it was an accident. Better to check. The one that I flagged in BN is a comment that did appear and got deleted much later Feb 17 16:47
schestowitz A Novell employee has mod privileges in OStatic. Feb 17 16:47
jose Great. Feb 17 16:47
schestowitz balzac: you come in one day and “whoa! They’re all gone” Feb 17 16:48
jose If you want, do a blog, and I’ll copy over the comments that might be deleted in the future. Feb 17 16:48
balzac they should have spent some of that “Homeland Security” budget to secure that nuclear weapons lab. Feb 17 16:48
balzac it reminds me of those two recent coal ash spills Feb 17 16:48
balzac one right after the other Feb 17 16:48
schestowitz They have a lot of PR to give illusion security Feb 17 16:49
balzac I can’t believe these things are just happening Feb 17 16:49
schestowitz Like, you know… 100 armed guards with machines guns and equipment that they claimed costs them GAZIl$@#ON dollars. Feb 17 16:49
balzac they’re being allowed to happen, as the levees were allowed to fall into disrepair, the bridge in minnesota, the lack of attention to national security Feb 17 16:49
schestowitz Then, someone just walks in through some back doors and they pretend that “it couldn’t have happened.. some guard must have messed up…. the SystemWasDown(R)…” Feb 17 16:50
balzac Republican leaders just hate America and want it to fail as a whole. Feb 17 16:50
schestowitz They love themselves Feb 17 16:50
schestowitz They loot the nation Feb 17 16:50
balzac then they trot out that classic line “nobody could have forseen it” Feb 17 16:50
schestowitz Yes Feb 17 16:50
schestowitz Schneier has excellent blog posts about such incidents Feb 17 16:51
balzac cue Condoleeza rice Feb 17 16:51
schestowitz Let me E-mail this one to him Feb 17 16:51
balzac probably an America-hating Republican congressman arranged for those 67 nuclear weapons lab computers to be shipped to Pakistan. Feb 17 16:52
schestowitz Mailed Feb 17 16:52
schestowitz He usually replies too whenever you mail him. Feb 17 16:52
balzac anyway, I should keep general politics out of the discussion Feb 17 16:53
schestowitz balzac: no, too far fetched Feb 17 16:53
balzac it’s a drag Feb 17 16:53
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schestowitz Global warming is an ‘inside job’ Feb 17 16:53
schestowitz Landing on the moon was done in Mars ;-) Feb 17 16:53
balzac I’m just besmirching the Republican identity because I despise those swine Republicans in congress and the last administration Feb 17 16:53
balzac They hate our freedom. Feb 17 16:53
schestowitz balzac: they are still in power Feb 17 16:54
schestowitz Same companies… Feb 17 16:54
balzac I call it “Bush’s undead talking points” when i throw their own propaganda back in their faces. Feb 17 16:54
schestowitz Different faction (Democrats) of the same eternal party.. Feb 17 16:54
balzac “There are those among us who believe that by ignoring the threat of Republicans, America will be safe. America will never be safe so long as anywhere in the world, Republicans are given succor and safe-harbor.” Feb 17 16:55
schestowitz If you want to pursue oil and production for your friends, then you must keep the people ‘under control’ and by lying (spinning) is the only option Feb 17 16:55
schestowitz Republicans and Democrats are similar in their stance on issues Feb 17 16:55
balzac sure Feb 17 16:55
schestowitz Just watch Obama defending a lot of the recent atrocities since he’s entered House Feb 17 16:56
balzac I call most of the democrats masochists who lick the jack-boots of the Republicans who are standing on their necks Feb 17 16:56
schestowitz If he speaks out, then he’ll go ‘the way of the Ron Paul’ Feb 17 16:56
balzac well, Obama’s got the artillery on the hill now, so it’s a bit different Feb 17 16:56
schestowitz Or JFK.. Feb 17 16:56
balzac I’m referring to the Democratic congress under Bush Feb 17 16:56
schestowitz If you want change, -support- fund Nader Feb 17 16:57
balzac Give Nader some steroids and it might work Feb 17 16:57
schestowitz Halliburton won’t fund Nader. Mewonders why.. :-) Feb 17 16:57
schestowitz Not enough Feb 17 16:57
schestowitz Nader and steroids won’t do it Feb 17 16:57
schestowitz People vote for people on steroids and/or from Hollywood Feb 17 16:57
balzac I’m not worrying about national politics much any more Feb 17 16:58
schestowitz Case of point are some of the biggest disasters: Reagan and Schwarzenegger Feb 17 16:58
schestowitz Schwarzenegger luuuuuuuuuvs Bush Feb 17 16:58
balzac Herr Gropenfurer Feb 17 16:58
schestowitz :-0 Feb 17 16:58
balzac you can see a photo of Ahnold in the austrian alps popping the salute Feb 17 16:59
balzac he claims it was just a body builder pose, but as an Austrian, he knew better Feb 17 16:59
schestowitz Let’s see… Feb 17 16:59
balzac He helped subvert Gray Davis and create the budget crisis in California Feb 17 16:59
schestowitz Got the pic Feb 17 16:59
schestowitz ? Feb 17 16:59
balzac he worked with Ken Lay of enron Feb 17 17:00
balzac nah, but you can easily find it Feb 17 17:00
balzac Nobody busts his chops about it nowadays, but I just can’t imagine an Austrian wouldn’t know better than to do that pose. Feb 17 17:00
schestowitz http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopol… Feb 17 17:00
schestowitz CA is doing badly I hear Feb 17 17:01
schestowitz Some guy in the gym here came from there a couple of months ago. He said it had gone horrible (financially and all). Feb 17 17:01
balzac They took Schwarzenneggar’s name off a stadium in Graz after he executed Tookie Williams Feb 17 17:01
balzac Ahnold wants to be president some day Feb 17 17:02
balzac Molly Ivins said he looks like a condom filled with walnuts Feb 17 17:03
schestowitz Can he? Feb 17 17:03
schestowitz Not born in the US Feb 17 17:03
balzac if he can amend the constitution Feb 17 17:03
balzac he’ll keep trying until senility ends his ambitions Feb 17 17:03
schestowitz Sounds like MS con job Feb 17 17:03
schestowitz Change the rules, then rule Feb 17 17:03
schestowitz They try this in the EU Feb 17 17:03
schestowitz balzac: no worries about senility, he can buy a new brain, too. Feb 17 17:04
schestowitz Ze Terminator.. Feb 17 17:04
schestowitz It never dies… not even when it melts. Feb 17 17:04
balzac they’ll just wire a little micro-controller into his motor cortext Feb 17 17:04
balzac his brain will be just filled with cerebro-spinal fluid and Rove’s disembodied brain, floating in a secure location will be speaking through ahnolds zombie. Feb 17 17:05
balzac ok, that’s enough politics for me Feb 17 17:06
balzac I need to keep focused on business and forget about the circus of national politics Feb 17 17:06
schestowitz Australia government limited Google’s bushfire map < http://news.cnet.com/8301-… > Feb 17 17:07
schestowitz Need open maps… Feb 17 17:07
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_st… ( The OSI was hijacked) Feb 17 17:10
balzac Bruce Perens couldn’t get elected Feb 17 17:11
balzac He was the most reasonable guy involved, and the most visionary Feb 17 17:12
schestowitz Novell openSUSE: Development Ebbing? < http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/n… > Feb 17 17:12
schestowitz balzac: yes, I know. OSI was hijacked Feb 17 17:12
balzac The OSI is irrelevant to those whose concern is computer users’ freedom. Feb 17 17:12
balzac Bruce Perens was tossed for saying [paraphrasing] “It’s time to start saying free software again. Notice I didn’t say open source.” Feb 17 17:13
schestowitz OpenSUSE has been quiet for 2 weeks Feb 17 17:13
schestowitz After those layoffs Feb 17 17:13
balzac sweet Feb 17 17:13
schestowitz I think Novell (Waltham) is shafting the Germans Feb 17 17:13
schestowitz “It’s the investors..” Feb 17 17:14
balzac Hopefully OpenSUSE will wither away, Novell will tank, and Redhat will make a course-correction. Feb 17 17:14
schestowitz Microsoft gains Feb 17 17:14
schestowitz They ruin their rivals like this Feb 17 17:14
schestowitz But there’s no choice other than to NOT. Sell. OUT. Feb 17 17:15
balzac i don’t want a card-board coalition Feb 17 17:15
balzac sell GNU Feb 17 17:15
schestowitz It’s like in the Evangelism is War memo Feb 17 17:15
schestowitz Microsoft is trying to knock BSD against Linux/GPL or whatever… Feb 17 17:15
balzac sell 100% free software consulting and support Feb 17 17:15
schestowitz People need to point out what they do Feb 17 17:15
schestowitz Some people have cited BN’s exposition of these MS docs Feb 17 17:16
schestowitz So it become common knowledge Feb 17 17:16
balzac I’m just trying to get in position to grab glory Feb 17 17:16
schestowitz I see people talking about Microsoft’s anti-Linux “taskfforces” (that the Wal-Mart story) and anti-Dell deals. Feb 17 17:16
balzac I’m thinking as an enterpreneur, not just an activist. Feb 17 17:16
balzac Roy, you’d be a good executive for a software company, because what we need now are people with attitude like Scott Mcnealy Feb 17 17:17
balzac these dipomatic guys do no favors for the companies they lead by cooperating with M$ Feb 17 17:17
schestowitz I don’t do business Feb 17 17:17
jose GreyGeeks reply is missing something.. Feb 17 17:18
balzac Redhat made a mistake with the M$ deal. Feb 17 17:18
jose i don’t disagree.. Feb 17 17:18
jose but besides the license.. it’s the licensor Feb 17 17:18
schestowitz I did when I was younger, but it’s when white-collar crimes and marketing scum enters the zone Feb 17 17:18
jose as well as the group that owns the copyrights to the license Feb 17 17:18
schestowitz I’d rather expose the white-collar criminals Feb 17 17:18
jose eg, an ms license like the gpl will be interpreted differently by ms Feb 17 17:18
schestowitz For example, showing how one criminal connects to people like Tucci who throw out scientists like Greene Feb 17 17:19
balzac hopefully you’ll learn from Nader’s mistake and not spend your prime years as an activist Feb 17 17:19
schestowitz The lawyers who run nations ruin science too Feb 17 17:19
jose and they would likely try to play the version x or higher trick so that later versions of the license are different in spirit Feb 17 17:19
jose yes, bait and switch Feb 17 17:19
balzac it makes for a grumpy and uncomfortable retirement Feb 17 17:19
balzac Nader should have shifted gears into the private sector after about three decades of service Feb 17 17:19
schestowitz You can say the same about RMS Feb 17 17:19
balzac he did great for a long time Feb 17 17:19
schestowitz What do you measure things by? What’s the yardstick? Feb 17 17:20
balzac well, both of them should be less grumpy and renunciating of comfort Feb 17 17:20
balzac both should fly first class, not coach Feb 17 17:20
jose don’t worry about coach Feb 17 17:20
schestowitz Nader lies coach? Feb 17 17:20
balzac i don’t know Feb 17 17:20
schestowitz *flies Feb 17 17:20
jose some people like to feel close to the other people and ordinary to some degree Feb 17 17:20
schestowitz balzac thinks that flying first class is a life’s goal Feb 17 17:21
schestowitz I disagree Feb 17 17:21
schestowitz That’s PR Feb 17 17:21
balzac Hugh Hefner is the Supreme Ayatollah of lifestyle for an old man. Feb 17 17:21
schestowitz That’s imposed BS Feb 17 17:21
jose every now and then maybe Feb 17 17:21
schestowitz Like the way people are sold lots of illusiusions Feb 17 17:21
schestowitz They are practically being told what they /need/ to enjoy Feb 17 17:21
balzac You don’t have to be quite such a renunciate as many activists tend to be. Feb 17 17:22
schestowitz They /tell/ people what it means to DoWell{tm} Feb 17 17:22
schestowitz And it’s hard to escape this framework of mindset Feb 17 17:22
jose balzac, don’t overestimate nader and other “names” Feb 17 17:22
schestowitz In 1992, one trillion dollars were spend on marketing Feb 17 17:22
schestowitz it’s everywhere. Feb 17 17:22
schestowitz Lots of it is viral or peer-imposed Feb 17 17:22
jose many people join along to help.. and some of those enter/thrive the private sector Feb 17 17:22
balzac My activist years are behind me. Feb 17 17:23
balzac I’ll dabble in the future, but now it’s all about building a business. Feb 17 17:24
schestowitz Good! Feb 17 17:24
schestowitz People listen: http://blog.jeremiahfoster.com/?p=32 Feb 17 17:24
jose see balzac.. it would stink if people thought only rms did anything.. but balzac didn’t contribute as well… so leave rms and simply do your thing Feb 17 17:25
jose let me rephrase Feb 17 17:25
jose it would stink if people thought only rms did anything.. but balzac does contribute as well. Feb 17 17:25
jose among all the drummers drumming and marching.. you get those that stand out the most Feb 17 17:26
balzac Richard and I will probably discuss the topic again over dinner sometime. Feb 17 17:26
jose those get the spotlight, but there is a whole spectrum Feb 17 17:26
jose we all help each other and are helped in return Feb 17 17:26
jose :-) Feb 17 17:27
schestowitz http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/02/16/red-… “The VAR Guy, Sources tell me that Novell will lay off massively this week or next week. I stand by my claim that Novell operates at a loss that would require laying off almost 1000 people (25% of workforce), which I hear is likely to be the real number.” Feb 17 17:28
schestowitz jose: well said. Feb 17 17:29
jose I see you continue to feel strongly about that 1000 number (give or take a factor of 2). Feb 17 17:31
jose i wonder how such an announcement would be put forward Feb 17 17:31
jose i wonder if there is some “surprise” event coming soon. Feb 17 17:32
jose who could have forseen it? Feb 17 17:32
schestowitz Let me check.. Feb 17 17:32
schestowitz See PM Feb 17 17:32
schestowitz no reply needed Feb 17 17:32
jose ? Feb 17 17:33
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_s… Feb 17 17:35
schestowitz Feb 17 17:35
schestowitz Microsoft has a consistent history of biting its partners and draining their blood. No agreement with Microsoft, regardless of how seemingly innocuous, will benefit anyone but Microsoft. Even if we can’t pinpoint exactly where and when the betrayal will occur, we can safely bet the farm that it will happen.” Feb 17 17:35
jose Microsoft may be trying to keep the netbook dam from breaking. Dams that will break.. will break. Let’s hope Feb 17 17:35
schestowitz The one breaking is MS Feb 17 17:36
schestowitz No margins Feb 17 17:37
schestowitz re layoffs,  the private source is a novell employee Feb 17 17:37
schestowitz Unless Novell tries poisoning Novell with false info Feb 17 17:37
schestowitz Cool. Journo looks for my comment now. Feb 17 17:39
jose I wish people would leave voluntarily instead of being kicked out.. but it can be very difficult.. especially if the economic environment is scary.. i wonder how much a current layed-off employee is likely to have saved? Don’t know what cost of living are near novell Feb 17 17:42
schestowitz Yeah… Feb 17 18:08
schestowitz OK, one last pass.. Feb 17 18:18
schestowitz So BN will make the press again :-D Feb 17 18:28
jose You met another deadline? Feb 17 18:28
schestowitz No, no deadline. I just replies straight away Feb 17 18:31
schestowitz If you don’t reply fast, you can miss the chance. Feb 17 18:32
schestowitz Which happened before (I used to check mail once in a few days) Feb 17 18:32
schestowitz Green burials: A dying wish to be ‘home for fish’ < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/0… >. I think MinceR might have something to say about it because of some Ubuntu story I brought up last month. Feb 17 18:33
schestowitz This really seems like blasphemy I imagine to people who believe in  things like Hell, Heaven, soul, next life, and so on. Feb 17 18:34
balzac http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_stor…  <— nice analogy Feb 17 18:37
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schestowitz Vietnam may shut down Vietnamese-American Web site < http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-… > Feb 17 18:41
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MinceR schestowitz: i think that’s too much trouble Feb 17 18:42
MinceR cremation or dumping the body in the ocean seems to be greener to me Feb 17 18:43
schestowitz Who is the recipient of money in this case? : http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne… ( Gates wants the poor to bank on their mobile phones) Feb 17 18:43
schestowitz Microsoft innovates imitation. Windows Mobile 6.5 shows clever burst of originality. Haha no. < http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/02/17/windows-mob… > Feb 17 18:49
schestowitz Oh BTW, I almost forgot… (Money)… Happy GW Bush Day!@ Feb 17 18:50
schestowitz Economic collapse leads to rise in suicides, apparently (says RMS): “The number of farmers who have committed suicide in India between 1997 and 2007 now stands at a staggering 182,936.” http://www.counterpunch.com/sainath02122009.html Feb 17 18:55
schestowitz http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-feb… “Almost 200,000 Indian farmers are known to have committed suicide due to the debts that resulted from imposed economic globalization.” Feb 17 18:56
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balzac MinceR: my grandfather on my dad’s side had that done. He was in group called the Neptune Club which does cremation, then dumps the ashes at sea. Feb 17 19:22
MinceR that works too Feb 17 19:22
schestowitz Religious groups must be going ballistic over the idea. Feb 17 19:24
MinceR i’d like to help them go ballistic :> Feb 17 19:24
schestowitz Can ‘souls’ swim? Feb 17 19:25
balzac as long as they don’t go nuclear… Feb 17 19:25
MinceR no need for a warhead Feb 17 19:25
schestowitz They don’t go nuclear Feb 17 19:25
schestowitz Never Feb 17 19:25
MinceR just a nice, big rocket Feb 17 19:25
schestowitz They go Noo-ki-LAR Feb 17 19:25
MinceR nucular. Feb 17 19:25
balzac Religious fanatics should be kept far from any advanced weaponry. I would like it if the US government were as vigilant about keeping pseudo-Christian rapture-fanatics away from our nuclear arsenal as they are about keeping nuclear weapons away from Islamic fanatics in the middle east. Feb 17 19:28
MinceR i’d like to have the fundies out of the us government Feb 17 19:28
balzac I’d like to have “In God We Trust” removed from the money. Feb 17 19:29
trmanco where can I get one block ascii art? Feb 17 19:29
balzac The bible-beaters think the US is a Christian theocracy because Eisenhower let them put a religious slogan on the currency. Feb 17 19:29
schestowitz balzac: +1 re paper money. What does Godd have to do with cash/ Feb 17 19:30
balzac It’s a slap in the face to Americans who atheists, agnostics, polytheists, wiccans, etc. Feb 17 19:30
schestowitz balzac: actually, the state’s founders were very religious Feb 17 19:31
balzac I think it was the doing of Billy Graham who preached that Karl Marx was literally a demon. Feb 17 19:31
schestowitz Waving the Holy Books while slaughtering natives Feb 17 19:31
balzac so they tried to link economic policy with religion Feb 17 19:31
schestowitz Imperialism (conquering the northern hemisphere) was one of the main goals. Feb 17 19:32
MinceR 203622 <@schestowitz> balzac: +1 re paper money. What does Godd have to do with cash/ Feb 17 19:32
schestowitz It”s all in the history literature. Feb 17 19:32
balzac schestowitz: nevertheless, they were intelligent enough not to put that religious slogan on the money. Feb 17 19:32
MinceR that’s easy to answer Feb 17 19:32
MinceR god _is_ cash. Feb 17 19:32
MinceR and cash is god. Feb 17 19:32
balzac I’d rather they put “In Baal We Trust” on the cash. Feb 17 19:32
balzac better yet, don’t put religious craziness on the currency. Feb 17 19:32
schestowitz :-) Feb 17 19:32
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toros hi Feb 17 19:32
MinceR hay Feb 17 19:32
schestowitz it’s like “Oh God! Make sure we can exceed $11 in debt. Just print more Benjamins” Feb 17 19:33
schestowitz Yo benJIman ! Feb 17 19:33
balzac I should have said “In Mammon We Trust” Feb 17 19:33
balzac There’s a big “golden calf” right there on Wall St. Feb 17 19:34
schestowitz benJIman: time for you guys to abandon Novell before it abandons /you/: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/17/… Feb 17 19:34
schestowitz :-) Calf… waiting to grow and become deformed into a pig. Feb 17 19:35
schestowitz Pig represents greed Feb 17 19:35
schestowitz Cow = cashcow Feb 17 19:35
schestowitz “Give us your poor…” We’ll give them credit cards Feb 17 19:36
MinceR well, it does have the Illuminati logo Feb 17 19:41
schestowitz :-) Feb 17 19:43
schestowitz bbl Feb 17 19:43
twitter -> balzac: Bruce Perens was tossed for saying [paraphrasing] “It’s time to start saying free software again. Notice I didn’t say open source.” Feb 17 20:01
twitter That is too bad.  I like the tongue lashing Molben gave O’Riely.  If you don’t talk about freedom, you are unprepared for the things people do. Feb 17 20:01
balzac I agreed with Moglen, but he was shifting around in his seat and his delivery sounded cryptic Feb 17 20:12
twitter “MethodOne: twitter, do you actually use twitter?”  No, but I hope they read me.  I’ve been twitter longer than they have been a service. Feb 17 20:12
balzac He could do without the overly serious delivery Feb 17 20:12
balzac Not that I look cool and composed in front of an audience. Feb 17 20:13
balzac I’m just thinking he could have been more jockular and casual about it Feb 17 20:14
balzac jocular Feb 17 20:15
twitter “(06:38:28 PM) benJIman: I find the 64bit OOo quite unstable compared to the 32bit build.”  You should try a Debian Build.  I’ve been running all 64 bit for more than a year.  It’s an older version of OO, but there’s nothing unstable about it or it’s 32 bit version. Feb 17 20:16
balzac It had the seriousness of a member of the central committee of soviet russia Feb 17 20:16
balzac RMS had a good tone when a M$ employee bid the highest at an auction of a stuffed GNU. Feb 17 20:18
twitter RMS was laughing at the concept of a GNU at M$ campus. Feb 17 20:20
twitter Moglen was angry and he had a right to be.  “Open Source” people have ignored these problems for the last ten years and said nasty things about RMS and Moglen. Feb 17 20:21
twitter Moglen may have also detected an attempt to FUD Google. Feb 17 20:21
balzac I can’t say I haven’t been angry Feb 17 20:21
balzac I understand where he was coming from, but you want to look good on video. Feb 17 20:22
twitter You have to wonder if he had been harassed all morning before he got there. Feb 17 20:22
twitter M$ people keep up the attack 24/7/365 Feb 17 20:22
balzac your ego must have thick walls Feb 17 20:22
balzac and preferably be large enough to cast a shadow over your opponent’s ego Feb 17 20:23
twitter Tim has acted like a fool.  Moglen called him.  I loved when he said something like, “I was sure that I’d verify your primary thesis which is why I did my best not to.” Feb 17 20:24
balzac but very few in the audience were nerdy enough to know that Moglen won Feb 17 20:24
trmanco http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=621 Feb 17 20:25
twitter The message was loud and clear.  “Freedom matters” Feb 17 20:25
twitter It’s a good sign that people in the audience applauded Molgen despite his “seriousness” Feb 17 20:26
balzac but you don’t want to put on blue war paint and go around with a hoarse voice like Mel Gibson unless you’re in a pitched battle and Steve Ballmer noogying you. Feb 17 20:26
twitter Twitter laughs thinking about all the little GNUs in M$’s wifi and other campus systems. Feb 17 20:27
balzac sorry for the flippant responses. I’ve got to get single-minded about my work just now. Feb 17 20:27
twitter I’m surprised Moglen bothered to visit at all.  He could have been and should have been a little less peeved, but I can understand his attitude with people who have chided him and RMS as “dictatorial” and all that for ten years. Feb 17 20:28
twitter :) I’m having a good time.  Good luck with your work. Feb 17 20:28
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schestowitz <twitter>, yes Moglen is typically calm Feb 17 22:00
schestowitz balzac: i loves that ORLY video Feb 17 22:02
schestowitz Moglen did good. See my comments there, ORLY replies Feb 17 22:02
schestowitz I did the unthinkable and watched the Obama speech about Public Looting this evening. The BBC hit it on the nail for a change when saying that it’s just supposed to create optimism. Feb 17 22:20
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schestowitz Cousin says: “APPLE IS TRYING TO MAKE the act of modifying the Iphone operating system to allow the installation of third party software illegal. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/030/… Feb 17 22:24
twitter ORLY, ” I believe that making money is like putting gas in the car:  something you do to help get where you’re going, rather than where you’re going.”  Bad, bad analogy. Feb 17 22:24
schestowitz “speaking of Orwell…now you can’t do what you like with an item you own!” Feb 17 22:24
schestowitz People can only rent iPhone or Windows… You can’t buy or own them. Feb 17 22:24
twitter The iPhone is an egregious example of network and software violations intersect to fuck over the user. Feb 17 22:26
schestowitz twitter: not too terrible this ORLY analogy Feb 17 22:26
schestowitz Here is the video, for context: http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/200… Feb 17 22:27
twitter It is an astonishingly elitist analogy. Feb 17 22:27
schestowitz “You speak of mutual “regret” but you and Moglen seem to use that word in different senses.” Feb 17 22:28
twitter I’m thinking O’Reilly wanted to crap on Google and Facebook. Feb 17 22:35
twitter It’s funny how he did not mention abortions like MySpace, MSN and others that don’t use free software. Feb 17 22:35
twitter Moglen is right, overall.  Network and Software freedom will eliminate the “problems” Tim obsesses about. Feb 17 22:37
twitter That won’t happen if people are not talking about “freedom” loud and clear. Feb 17 22:37
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schestowitz I like identi.ca. I might use it one day. The FSFers are all there.. Feb 17 22:39
trmanco yep Feb 17 22:39
trmanco lots of DEVs too Feb 17 22:39
schestowitz Good! Feb 17 22:39
*MinceR_ is now known as MinceR Feb 17 22:39
schestowitz Some FOSS people went to twitter  (no offense, twitter ), showing their hypocrisy. Feb 17 22:39
twitter In 2001, Tim laid this stinker, “I don’t think Richard got Freedom 0 right. There’s an even more fundamental freedom that underlies the work of both free software advocates and the most proprietary of software developers, as well as anyone else engaged in creative work. And that is the freedom to offer your work to the world on the terms that you choose, and for the recipients to accept or reject those terms.” Feb 17 22:41
twitter He might as well be advocating slavery as a property right. Feb 17 22:42
trmanco http://identi.ca/group/fsf | http://identi.ca/group/gnu | http://identi.ca/group/kde Feb 17 22:42
schestowitz twitter: yes, but let’s not attack him Feb 17 22:42
schestowitz Better to educuate him because he’s mostly on our side at the end of the day Feb 17 22:42
schestowitz Familiar faces… brunomiguel,bkuhn, mattl … Feb 17 22:44
toros identi.ca is great… :) Feb 17 22:44
toros just take a look at the most popular groups… Feb 17 22:44
toros ubuntu, linux, laconica, gnu, python, kde Feb 17 22:46
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.p… “So the reality is that RedHat is not making a deal with M$. They are just making a deal with their customers.” Feb 17 22:47
schestowitz Some very good comments from the audience there, which is more mature than in other sites like LXer or Digg. Feb 17 22:48
trmanco identi.ca already surpassed Twitter in some aspects, no surprise here Feb 17 22:49
toros identi.ca is very promising: there are great expected features for the next release Feb 17 22:50
toros http://mail.laconi.ca/pipermail/… Feb 17 22:51
trmanco yep Feb 17 22:51
trmanco I know Evan Feb 17 22:52
trmanco http://identi.ca/evan Feb 17 22:52
toros I am a subscriber of his notices :) Feb 17 22:54
trmanco everybody should know him Feb 17 22:54
schestowitz Real name?? Fran Foo <—— http://www.australianit.news.com.au… Feb 17 22:54
trmanco (in Identi.ca) Feb 17 22:54
schestowitz http://identi.ca/group/fsf/rss … pretty low-volume Feb 17 22:55
toros He seems to be a nice guy Feb 17 22:55
schestowitz Maybe I’ll subscribe. Feb 17 22:55
trmanco slow day for me in microblogging Feb 17 22:57
trmanco :( Feb 17 22:57
trmanco today* Feb 17 22:57
trmanco schestowitz, I can’t find you Feb 17 22:58
schestowitz identica? Feb 17 22:58
schestowitz I’ll make an account Feb 17 22:58
trmanco yes Feb 17 22:58
trmanco oh, I thought you already did :| Feb 17 22:58
toros I think the fsf group is low-volume because people usually don’t write about fsf in microblogs… Feb 17 23:00
toros so you say there things like I upgraded my ubuntu, I am listening to some music, drinking tea, etc. Feb 17 23:00
schestowitz Chin Wong has done some rubbish Linux articles recently, inc. this one: http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page… He used to write better stuff. Feb 17 23:01
toros maybe boycottnovell could be avaible on identi.ca too… Feb 17 23:02
toros through twitterfeed, or something like that Feb 17 23:03
schestowitz http://identi.ca/notice/2350574 Feb 17 23:04
schestowitz Here’s me there: http://identi.ca/group/fsf/members Feb 17 23:06
trmanco cool Feb 17 23:07
schestowitz OK, so how does one export the data? Feb 17 23:08
schestowitz I want to see if it’s truly ‘open’ Feb 17 23:08
trmanco I just registered myself at github Feb 17 23:08
trmanco maybe I can learn some stuff there Feb 17 23:08
trmanco schestowitz, expert how? Feb 17 23:08
trmanco like mbox files in email? Feb 17 23:08
schestowitz Yes, whatever Feb 17 23:09
trmanco I don’t know Feb 17 23:09
schestowitz How do I know /my/ stuff is not stuck in /their/ cloud? Feb 17 23:09
schestowitz In deli.icio.us I could export my bookmarks Feb 17 23:09
trmanco I haven’t thought about that Feb 17 23:09
trmanco ask Evan Feb 17 23:09
schestowitz Cause even if I could start my own laconica-like service, how would data move? Feb 17 23:09
MinceR i prefer to run my own cloud :> Feb 17 23:09
trmanco maybe it will be a future feature Feb 17 23:10
schestowitz IRC is run in this case by the freenode network, but I’ll happily send the raw logs to anyone and everyone can log freely Feb 17 23:10
schestowitz With things like twitter it’s different Feb 17 23:10
schestowitz Things are trapped in a complex DB Feb 17 23:10
schestowitz You don’t have the tools require to do much with the DB, let alone get a copy of that DB which your personal chunk Feb 17 23:11
schestowitz Many blogging services like blogspot pose similar issues, but they worked out some export/impart schemas. Feb 17 23:11
schestowitz I follow just one very active twitter account AMT: glynmoody Feb 17 23:12
schestowitz *ATM (he’s covering the same subjects as me) Feb 17 23:12
schestowitz People still don’t realise just how far gadgets have gone with digital ‘manners’ and other such Orwellian things.. “next thing, a Sony camcorder can not use TDK tapes and my TV will only be able to view the stations the manufacturer allows.” (my cousin) Feb 17 23:20
toros Sony did this, not even once: there’s the sony memory stick, or the sony beta, or the sony MD… Feb 17 23:25
schestowitz Many people don’t know that. They don’t know what DRM even means. Feb 17 23:26
schestowitz The mainstream media hardly does anything to explain these thing that it welcomes. Media = media companies = DRM lovers. Why would they cover it critically? Feb 17 23:27
toros the biggest problem is that they want to controll the culture Feb 17 23:31
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mib_ci95lmtu hi Feb 17 23:31
schestowitz Hey there. Feb 17 23:32
schestowitz [OT] Microsoft BS, as usual: http://www.totaltele.com/view.aspx?ID=443328 Feb 17 23:32
toros so you can’t buy a movie if they think it’s not profitable Feb 17 23:32
schestowitz “‘Smartphone’ segment to disappear in four years – Microsoft [...] “Nothing’s free,” he added, in a nod to open source platforms. “The question is where the costs get incurred,” he said.” Feb 17 23:32
schestowitz toros: it’s the same cliche Feb 17 23:32
toros but they say downloading is illegal Feb 17 23:32
schestowitz “nothing is free..” .. “using Google search is not free” (Ballmer, 2008) Feb 17 23:32
toros you can’t even buy it Feb 17 23:32
toros that’s censorship Feb 17 23:33
schestowitz Ayer Feb 17 23:33
schestowitz Why Google loves open source <  http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-1… > Feb 17 23:33
schestowitz Microsoft is going desperate. They allow us the ‘opportunity’ to buy a licence from them to rent s/w… and we are asked to say “danke” Feb 17 23:34
toros good night! Feb 17 23:43
toros I’m leaving… Feb 17 23:43
toros It’s rather late here Feb 17 23:43
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schestowitz Another mysql escapee? http://www.sys-con.com/node/844187 Feb 17 23:49
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  12. Affordable and Sophisticated Mobile Devices Are Kept Away by Patent Trolls and Aggressors That Tax Everything

    The war against commoditisation of mobile computing has turned a potentially thriving market with fast innovation rates into a war zone full of patent trolls (sometimes suing at the behest of large companies that hand them patents for this purpose)



  13. In Spite of Lobbying and Endless Attempts by the Patent Microcosm, US Supreme Court Won't Consider Any Software Patent Cases Anymore (in the Foreseeable Future)

    Lobbyists of software patents, i.e. proponents of endless litigation and patent trolls, are attempting to convince the US Supreme Court (SCOTUS) to have another look at abstract patents and reconsider its position on cases like Alice Corp. v CLS Bank International



  14. Expect Team UPC to Remain in Deep Denial About the Unitary Patent/Unified Court (UPC) Having No Prospects

    The prevailing denial that the UPC is effectively dead, courtesy of sites and blogs whose writers stood to profit from the UPC



  15. EPO in 2017: Erroneously Grant a Lot of Patents in Bulk or Get Sacked

    Quality of patent examination is being abandoned at the EPO and those who disobey or refuse to play along are being fired (or asked to resign to avoid forced resignations which would stain their record)



  16. Links 21/4/2017: System76 Entering Phase Three, KDE Applications 17.04, Elive 2.9.0 Beta

    Links for the day



  17. Bristows-Run IP Kat Continues to Spread Lies to Promote the Unitary Patent (UPC) and Advance the EPO Management's Agenda

    An eclectic response to some of the misleading if not villainous responses to the UPC's death knell in the UK, as well as other noteworthy observations about think tanks and misinformation whose purpose is to warp the patent system so that it serves law firms, for the most part at the expense of science and technology



  18. Links 20/4/2017: Tor Browser 6.5.2, PacketFence 7.0, New Firefox and Chrome

    Links for the day



  19. Patents on Business Methods and Software Are Collapsing, But the Patent Microcosm is Working Hard to Change That

    The never-ending battle over patent law, where those who are in the business of patents push for endless patenting, is still ongoing and resistance/opposition is needed from those who actually produce things (other than litigation) or else they will be perpetually taxed by parasites



  20. IAM, the Patent Trolls' Voice, is Trying to Deny There is a Growing Trolling Problem in Europe

    IAM Media (the EPO's and trolls' mouthpiece) continues a rather disturbing pattern of propaganda dressed up as "news", promoting the agenda of parasites who drain the economy by extortion of legitimate (producing) companies



  21. The Patent Microcosm Keeps Attacking Every Patent Office/System That is Doing the Right Thing

    Patent 'radicals' and 'extremists' -- those to whom patents are needed solely for the purpose of profit from bureaucracy -- fight hard against patent quality and in the process they harm everyone, including individual customers



  22. Another Final Nail in the UPC Coffin: UK General Election

    Ratification of the UPC in the UK can drag on for several more years and never be done thereafter, throwing into uncertainty the whole UPC (EU-wide) as we know it



  23. Links 19/4/2017: DockerCon Coverage, Ubuntu Switching to Wayland

    Links for the day



  24. Links 18/4/2017: Mesa 17.0.4, FFmpeg 3.3

    Links for the day



  25. Patents Roundup: Microsoft, Embargo, Tax Evasion, Surveillance, and Censorship

    An excess of patents and their overutilisation for purposes other than innovation (or dissemination of knowledge) means that society has much to lose, sometimes more than there is to gain



  26. How I Learned that Skype is a Spy Campaign (My Personal Story) -- by Yuval Levental

    Skype is now tracking serial numbers, too



  27. Links 17/4/2017: Devil Linux 1.8.0, GNU IceCat 52.0.2

    Links for the day



  28. EPO Patent Quality and Quality of Service Have Become a Disaster, Say EPO Stakeholders

    Stakeholders of the EPO, in various sites that attract them, are complaining about the service of the EPO, the declining quality of patents (and the rushed processes), including the fact that Battistelli's blind obsession with so-called 'production' dooms the already-up-in-flames EPO and makes it uncompetitive



  29. IAM is a Think Tank for Patent Trolls, Software Patents, the EPO, Microsoft, and Whoever Else is Willing to Pay

    The site where you get what you pay for continues to promote highly damaging agenda, which threatens to disrupt operations at a lot of legitimate companies that employ technical people



  30. An Australian Patent Troll, Global Equity Management (SA) Pty Ltd (GEMSA), is a Bully Not Just in the Patent Sense, Explains the EFF

    The mischievous troll GEMSA, which doesn't seem to get enough out of bullying real companies, is now attacking a civil rights group's free speech rights


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