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02.21.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 20th, 2009 – Part 3

Posted in IRC Logs at 6:25 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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oiaohm Than to have to do the converions between windows to linux or the other way. Feb 20 16:38
twitter The result of the “upgrade” a new version of a browser and a few other minor tweaks. Feb 20 16:38
twitter It was a huge waste of money. Feb 20 16:39
oiaohm Mac to Linux almost painless. Feb 20 16:39
oiaohm Either way. Feb 20 16:39
twitter GNU/Linux saves that kind of money on a continual basis. Feb 20 16:39
oiaohm Its getting accross the divide in one piece. Feb 20 16:39
oiaohm At least with time that is getting simpler. Feb 20 16:40
oiaohm 2001 is was a real prick. Feb 20 16:40
schestowitz That’s why talking points are spread Feb 20 16:40
schestowitz To counter reality Feb 20 16:40
schestowitz I need to do some more posts today Feb 20 16:40
schestowitz Just one so far :-( Feb 20 16:40
twitter Young Franken Steve, very funny. Feb 20 16:43
schestowitz http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/feb… (Mills gets jail term in Berlusconi bribe case) Feb 20 16:43
schestowitz “Tessa Jowell, the Olympics minister, defended her estranged husband, David Mills, yesterday as he was sentenced to four and a half years in an Italian jail for taking a $600,000 (£400,000) bribe as a reward for withholding court testimony to help Italy’s prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi.” Feb 20 16:43
schestowitz Meanwhile, it seems like Israel too gets a criminal in charge.. old bribery accusations too.. and a militant slant. Feb 20 16:43
schestowitz Obama will hopefully do better Feb 20 16:44
twitter You have been busy, Roy.  I’m always surprised by how much you manage to find worth posting. Feb 20 16:44
schestowitz Then there’s SARKO… and Gordon ain’t good either. Feb 20 16:44
schestowitz I’m actually growing fond of independence fighters like Chavez Feb 20 16:44
schestowitz He is popular among the population and the US calls him “a tyrant” because he’s not allowing the US to colonialise Venezuela Feb 20 16:44
schestowitz twitter: thanks. Feb 20 16:45
schestowitz http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/feb… “MI5 provided the CIA with material to interrogate Binyam Mohamed, the former UK resident at the centre of torture allegations, even though it had no idea where he was being held and in what condition he was in, it emerged yesterday.” Feb 20 16:46
oiaohm http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/op…  Who would have dreamed of a compare like this 5 years ago. Feb 20 16:47
schestowitz Yeah… real product vs vapourware Feb 20 16:52
oiaohm No Linux being the real product Feb 20 16:52
oiaohm Its role reversed. Feb 20 16:52
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oiaohm Most of the compares in the past were saying Linux will have X or Y in time. Feb 20 16:53
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/… Feb 20 16:53
oiaohm You see no signs of that. Feb 20 16:53
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oiaohm http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/20…  Hmm we are starting to move into secound wave Feb 20 17:03
twitter Actually, oiahom, I thought GNU/Linux was ready for prime time eight years ago. Feb 20 17:04
oiaohm Linux massive processor support.  So different cpu types start appearing in frount of users. Feb 20 17:04
oiaohm I have been using Linux since 1995 twitter .   About 8 years ago it show prommise but hardware support was a major bug bear. Feb 20 17:05
oiaohm Now the move between showing promise to functional has taken a while. Feb 20 17:05
oiaohm The evolution not working well on windows in 2002 was a major stumbling block for making move accross simple. Feb 20 17:07
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/20… Feb 20 17:07
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schestowitz http://kmandla.wordpress.com/20… Feb 20 17:10
twitter I’ve been able to use GNU/Linux exclusively for the last 8 years.  Hardware support has always been hard everywhere, but GNU/Linux is now much better than Windows. Feb 20 17:12
twitter Distributions like Knoppix had superior hardware support from the start. Feb 20 17:13
oiaohm I started off where hardware support was have a shoping list. Feb 20 17:14
oiaohm If you did not have the right parts it did not work. Feb 20 17:14
oiaohm At the improvement rates of Linux I don’t have a clue what it will look like in 2019 Feb 20 17:14
twitter There is still sabotage like that, but GNU/Linux now runs more hardware than any other OS ever. Feb 20 17:15
oiaohm Not ever Feb 20 17:15
oiaohm Beating dos took ages. Feb 20 17:15
twitter What kernel has better hardware support than Linux? Feb 20 17:16
schestowitz There’s some Linux usage FUD out there. Feb 20 17:16
schestowitz I’m tryint to rebut it all Feb 20 17:16
schestowitz I think it all began with that SJVN article (which quotes BN  too). Feb 20 17:16
schestowitz On our site (boycottnovell) which does almost 1 million pageviews a month (I dunno about Coral cache), over 30% use GNU/Linux (based on AWStats). Feb 20 17:17
twitter The usual lie is that fewer than 1% of users have GNU/Linux.  Only 30%?  wow. Feb 20 17:17
schestowitz People must not measure usage based on the ‘average’ users’ site and assume this to be representative of the average. It’s a terminal mistake to make. Geographies matter A LOT too.  Linux usage in Brazil and Russian, for example, is massive. It tends to land on sites that don’t speak English. Feb 20 17:17
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schestowitz twitter: more like 35% Feb 20 17:17
oiaohm Depends where you are on the earth surface. Feb 20 17:18
twitter When does it peak? Feb 20 17:18
oiaohm Australia is about 0.1 % use Linux. Feb 20 17:18
oiaohm Thinking that Australia has the highest usage of Microsoft products out of any country. Feb 20 17:18
twitter Not even the M$ campus has GNU/Linux desktop use that low, oiaohm. Feb 20 17:19
oiaohm We have UNI’s here that are pure MS. Feb 20 17:19
twitter Ahhhh, now I know where Balmer gets his statistics … Feb 20 17:19
twitter He samples the M$ campus and fudges it the way he likes. Feb 20 17:20
oiaohm Small business here runs basically 100 percent on Microsoft. Feb 20 17:20
oiaohm Larger business here most use Linux as price dropping talk. Feb 20 17:21
oiaohm Cracks are starting to appear. Feb 20 17:21
schestowitz OpenSUSE is having problems Feb 20 17:21
schestowitz Ya benJIman. Feb 20 17:21
schestowitz http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2… http://lizards.opensuse.org/2009/02/… Feb 20 17:21
oiaohm It also might explain why we don’t see eye to eye twitter.  I am in a far more free/open source not tollerent market.  Lot here still believe the myth because its open source it has to be a secuirty risk. Feb 20 17:22
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twitter http://www.myspace.com/benjimanactivate Feb 20 17:23
twitter The things I see and think, oiaohm, don’t depend on what Windows users see or think. Feb 20 17:24
oiaohm I have even one at the moment taking a closed source china made office clone over Open Office. Feb 20 17:25
twitter that would be baaaaa-aaa-aaa-d. Feb 20 17:25
twitter *thinking like a windows user, not an OO clone. Feb 20 17:25
schestowitz http://makuro.wordpress.com/2009/0… Feb 20 17:25
schestowitz Sabayon is rising in Cuba Feb 20 17:26
schestowitz Gentoo also had some other success stories recently, but there are those places for drama in blogs Feb 20 17:26
oiaohm Basically this market is resistant twitter.   So I need things to work close to perfectly. Feb 20 17:26
twitter http://images.google.com/images?q=ben… Feb 20 17:26
oiaohm So they don’t find a reason to bail out. Feb 20 17:26
oiaohm Yes here they do.   MS is easy is another nice myth here. Feb 20 17:27
twitter You find reasons for people to bail out.  Users suffer. Feb 20 17:27
schestowitz Not the same one… http://flickr.com/photos/49814197… Feb 20 17:27
oiaohm Not the same twitter my reasons I state users have come to me and it was there reason for leaving it. Feb 20 17:28
schestowitz oiaohm: worry not Feb 20 17:28
oiaohm Getting them to go back after that is hard work. Feb 20 17:28
schestowitz AU is like the UK in a sense Feb 20 17:28
schestowitz Very close to English speaking neighbours Feb 20 17:28
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schestowitz So there is the whole MS collusion relationship Feb 20 17:28
schestowitz Here it is common for Microsoft to run the government and for the Big Criminals from US-based multinationals to be family friends of leaders. Feb 20 17:29
oiaohm Different markets different problems. Feb 20 17:29
twitter People who value their freedom don’t use Windows. Feb 20 17:29
schestowitz So adoption of FOSS is abysmal consider to the remainder of the world Feb 20 17:29
schestowitz Almost an oder of magnitude worse Feb 20 17:29
oiaohm Problem here no such thing on the freedom side twitter where. Feb 20 17:29
oiaohm where/here Feb 20 17:29
oiaohm Also lot of people here also believe Microsoft is good. Feb 20 17:29
schestowitz In Germany, almost half of sub-notebooks are sold with Linux and about 6% of laptops (maybe desktops too). Feb 20 17:29
twitter the freedom issue is everywhere, people who use Windows simply don’t understand it. Feb 20 17:30
oiaohm The issue here they want the freedom to do there business. Feb 20 17:30
schestowitz A lof of people also believe that Rockefeller and Rothschild were good. They bought PR.. Feb 20 17:30
oiaohm They believe Microsoft gives them that freedom. Feb 20 17:30
schestowitz They don’t understand freedom Feb 20 17:31
schestowitz Because they are privileged Feb 20 17:31
oiaohm Yes you and I might to agree with them on that its getting past the mind set. Feb 20 17:31
oiaohm They buy a truck to move stuff. Feb 20 17:31
oiaohm They buy windows to run a computer. Feb 20 17:31
schestowitz As long as it’s Colobian farmers who are attacked by acid and Nigerian kids who suffocate from oil, they have their freedom (to suppress) Feb 20 17:31
oiaohm And it goes on. Feb 20 17:31
schestowitz But that it very problematic at another scale Feb 20 17:31
schestowitz You could go on pretending that imperialisation like Microsoft is OK at a national level too. Feb 20 17:32
oiaohm Australian tax office don’t provide tax return software for Linux. Feb 20 17:32
schestowitz That sabotaging competiiton (other countries) for submission is acceptable. Feb 20 17:32
oiaohm Or business interfaces software for Linux. Feb 20 17:33
oiaohm So yep all levels. Feb 20 17:33
schestowitz The French (And even the UK and Nazi Germany) always had reasons to justify it for themselves Feb 20 17:33
schestowitz Microsoft is the same Feb 20 17:33
schestowitz They think they do the world a favour with Windows Feb 20 17:33
schestowitz Gates extorts politicians saying that OOXML is good for the family Feb 20 17:33
schestowitz The IBM execs were deeply disgusted by this. Feb 20 17:33
oiaohm OOXML was votied down here. Feb 20 17:33
oiaohm National archives have common sence. Feb 20 17:34
schestowitz Perfect plot: commit crime, rename it a “duty” Feb 20 17:34
oiaohm this is where it gets stupid. Feb 20 17:34
schestowitz oiaohm: it wasn;t Feb 20 17:34
schestowitz AU abstained Feb 20 17:34
oiaohm National archives of Australia are stored in ODF. Feb 20 17:34
schestowitz It had shill like Ricj Jelliffe Feb 20 17:34
twitter Good for Au. Feb 20 17:34
schestowitz On Microsoft’s sheckel Feb 20 17:34
schestowitz Get paid by Microsoft, give ‘opinion’; Feb 20 17:34
twitter Businesses change their practices when users complain that their M$ crap does not work well.  That’s how it is happening here in the US. Feb 20 17:35
twitter Small banks, dealerships and others don’t dare put something up that’s M$ only anymore. Feb 20 17:35
twitter Mac and GNU/Linux users get turned off and leave. Feb 20 17:36
twitter Even big dumb companies are starting to get it. Feb 20 17:36
schestowitz “Update 20Feb09: I installed Easy Peasy which is a Ubuntu remix for the ASUS Eee PCs and I love it. It works great out-of-the-box! I am glad to be rid of that Xandros nightmare.” http://blog.hydrasystemsllc.com/2009/02/… Feb 20 17:36
oiaohm You are a few stages ahead of here twitter Feb 20 17:36
oiaohm I am still battling with how to get it into there minds clearly. Feb 20 17:37
twitter When people understand freedom, they don’t blame GNU/Linux when things don’t work, they blame M$ and other idiot businesses for the things they do. Feb 20 17:37
oiaohm So they are really sentivitive to any set backs. Feb 20 17:37
oiaohm Its one of theses things you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. Feb 20 17:38
twitter You have to complain when online services you use don’t work.  Polite, factual complaints work. Feb 20 17:38
oiaohm Ie you have to get the interested. Feb 20 17:38
oiaohm Most banks here support firefox. Feb 20 17:38
oiaohm They go as far as rejecting users running IE. Feb 20 17:38
oiaohm But that is purely on security grounds of course. Feb 20 17:39
twitter M$ OS are a real pain in the ass to keep working.  There’s nothing more interesting to practical people than an OS that does not need all that. Feb 20 17:39
oiaohm Not there like of open source and freedom. Feb 20 17:39
oiaohm Once I have users on Linux and use to it they don’t go back. Feb 20 17:40
twitter People who understand freedom are willing to put up with a few problems to preserve their rights. Feb 20 17:40
oiaohm Its getting them accross without them jump back and the first problem. Feb 20 17:40
oiaohm Even if they understand freedom some here say they have the freedom to used closed if they want to. Feb 20 17:40
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twitter If they understand and value freedom, they won’t jump back. Feb 20 17:40
oiaohm What is right. Feb 20 17:40
oiaohm Here is more understanding that all the stupid things windows does that does not have to be the way. Feb 20 17:41
k00lc hello Feb 20 17:41
twitter hi Feb 20 17:41
oiaohm hi k00lc Feb 20 17:42
schestowitz Hey Feb 20 17:42
k00lc did you guys know that that shana person that blogged is a mono dev? Feb 20 17:42
k00lc I just found this: http://blog.worldofcoding.com/2006/11/ne… Feb 20 17:42
oiaohm you seam to have a lot different personally of popluation twitter.  Freedom is not valued very highly here.   Most of the focus here is getting job done.  If that means using something paided so be it. Feb 20 17:43
k00lc and she’s doing moonlight now, apparently Feb 20 17:43
schestowitz I’m getting mail about the OpenSUSE crisis Feb 20 17:43
schestowitz k00lc: we tried to find that out Feb 20 17:44
schestowitz We couldn’t find out (at the time) the mono connection Feb 20 17:44
schestowitz On payroll or not? Feb 20 17:44
schestowitz Ahhh! Feb 20 17:44
k00lc all it took was to read the blog Feb 20 17:44
k00lc full time at novell, what do you think? Feb 20 17:45
schestowitz “As the title says, I have a wonderful new job, working full time at Novell on my favourite open source project, Mono. What more can I say? :D *happy little coder does happy little jiggly dance*” Feb 20 17:45
schestowitz Yeah Feb 20 17:45
schestowitz beat me to it Feb 20 17:45
schestowitz haha. Feb 20 17:45
schestowitz Ill blog this, thanks. Feb 20 17:45
k00lc np Feb 20 17:45
benJIman schestowitz: Yes I saw it. Feb 20 17:45
schestowitz benJIman: so they promote .NET and demote Linux Feb 20 17:47
schestowitz How does *THAT* feel? Feb 20 17:47
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benJIman schestowitz: That’s an interesting interpretation. Feb 20 17:47
schestowitz I’m gonna wrtite about it Feb 20 17:47
schestowitz benJIman: it is Feb 20 17:47
schestowitz They turn Linux into Microsoft’s playground Feb 20 17:47
benJIman I like .net (though prefer java) Feb 20 17:47
schestowitz Now with ASP.NET Feb 20 17:47
schestowitz Miguel wrote about it last night Feb 20 17:47
benJIman \o/ Feb 20 17:47
schestowitz It’s very obvious what they have in store Feb 20 17:47
schestowitz “be MS bitch and beg for lifelines” Feb 20 17:48
schestowitz benJIman: of course you do. That’s why you’re with OpenSUSE. Feb 20 17:48
schestowitz Microsoft Linux Feb 20 17:48
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trmanco hey guys Feb 20 18:27
schestowitz Hey Feb 20 18:33
schestowitz What’s up? Feb 20 18:33
*schestowitz works on a very damning Novell post Feb 20 18:33
trmanco nothing much Feb 20 18:33
balzac I can think of one defense for proprietary software users and developers Feb 20 18:39
balzac for those who know better, but who still choose proprietary software Feb 20 18:39
balzac the’re kinky and they get off on controlling and being controlled Feb 20 18:39
balzac so long as they’re consciously participating in their particular fetish, who am I to judge? Feb 20 18:40
balzac the problem comes when they fail to respect others boundaries, trying to control those who are not interested in being controlled Feb 20 18:41
twitter M$’s H1B program concerns go mainstream, http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206… Feb 20 18:43
twitter ” As many as 5,000 employees are being shown the door at Microsoft, which uses more H1-B guest-worker visas than any other U.S. company. Some employees and politicians say Microsoft should get rid of foreigners first.” Feb 20 18:44
twitter ” Foreigners face severe difficulties when they are fired because their visas are tied to their employer, said Paul Soreff, a Seattle lawyer and former chairman of the Washington Chapter of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. While employers must pay for a visa holder’s ticket home, transporting other family members and their possessions falls on the worker.” – something I had not thought of, ouch. Feb 20 18:46
twitter Written by Dina Bass, who usually does a good job. Feb 20 18:48
twitter Oh yeah, M$FT is about $1 above it’s 52 week low.  Novell is down to 3.25. Feb 20 18:55
schestowitz Novell might fall under $3 soon Feb 20 18:58
schestowitz Dina Bass… MS buddy. Feb 20 18:58
schestowitz DOW is almost below 7000 ! Feb 20 18:58
twitter “little coder does happy little jiggly dance”  They are “little” now and had been since eating M$ poison. Feb 20 18:58
schestowitz It might soon go below 50% of all-time high Feb 20 18:59
twitter ?  both M$ and Novell are way below that. Feb 20 19:00
twitter In the Novell case, they are flirting with 5% of their $40 Y2K peak. Feb 20 19:01
twitter M$ is flunking towards 25% of their Y2K price of $60. Feb 20 19:03
schestowitz MS has heavy buybacvks though Feb 20 19:03
schestowitz So you can’t see the reality of the matter Feb 20 19:03
schestowitz You see how many stocks are held.. but not by REAL investors Feb 20 19:03
schestowitz Novell too has buybacks going, but not very heavy ones and they may have already expired (reached their end) Feb 20 19:04
twitter They can’t hide their evaporating cash pile and their buybacks are probably costing them a fortune now. Feb 20 19:04
twitter The other day, I saw where Bill G and other insiders had been dumping their shares. Feb 20 19:04
twitter http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2… Feb 20 19:05
twitter -> 02/09 – Over the last six months, insiders have been dumping not buying M$FT.  Bill Gates himself shed 22 million shares, 2 million of them at $18.84.  So much for the “buying shares now is smart” lie Feb 20 19:06
twitter M$ Death Watch http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/213707 Feb 20 19:06
twitter M$ buying shares is only smart for insiders who want to cash out. Feb 20 19:08
schestowitz Yes Feb 20 19:17
schestowitz Gates sold shared Feb 20 19:17
schestowitz *res Feb 20 19:17
schestowitz I wrote about it in BN Feb 20 19:17
schestowitz It’s masness. Feb 20 19:17
schestowitz *madness Feb 20 19:17
schestowitz Putting money in Microsoft now is like putting coin in the slot machine, believing that you found a trick for always winning (reversing odds) Feb 20 19:18
schestowitz If you have money, sell short.. but the SEC has forbidden this since last year (it was on Groklaw too) Feb 20 19:18
schestowitz Some people gambled on the meltdown, which they knew was coming Feb 20 19:18
schestowitz They became rich from this total collapse that they artificially permitted to come. Feb 20 19:19
schestowitz Well, that’s why they call it FraudStreet :-D Feb 20 19:19
twitter Submitted Slave Worker Resentment http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?o… Feb 20 19:27
schestowitz benJIman: learn about the company you support: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/20/… Feb 20 19:40
benJIman From the headline I can only assume it’s a good thing ¬_¬ Feb 20 19:48
PetoKraus that’s what she said! Feb 20 19:49
schestowitz We got some front page (Digg) publicity… http://digg.com/linux_unix/How_Many_… Feb 20 19:51
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schestowitz http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/… Feb 20 19:55
schestowitz Stop Baby Boomer Bashing: Protect Social Security and Medicare < http://www.truthout.org/021609A > Feb 20 20:01
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schestowitz The fraudsters from Edelman (of Vista laptops bribes) are at it again: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8224 Feb 20 20:06
amd-linux did you guys read the news regarding Asus bringing a Android netbook? That would be a slap in MS face…. Feb 20 20:09
amd-linux http://digg.com/linux_unix/Asus_to… Feb 20 20:09
schestowitz Another set of fraudstrers is nymshifting to escape the association with what they did: Countrywide” Goes the Way of “Blackwater” < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8226 > Feb 20 20:09
schestowitz amd-linux: yes, seen it Feb 20 20:09
schestowitz http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/08… Feb 20 20:09
trmanco https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-d… Feb 20 20:09
trmanco :D Feb 20 20:10
schestowitz ASUS will hopefully not accept the incentives or whatever to give it up again. Feb 20 20:10
amd-linux loads of good news currently wr to linux….. Feb 20 20:10
amd-linux and FOSS in general. Feb 20 20:10
schestowitz trmanco: For a moment there I was hoping for backlash against moon lie in Ubuntu 9.04 Feb 20 20:10
amd-linux the financial crisis is giving FOSS adoption a real boost me thinks? Feb 20 20:10
schestowitz amd-linux: definitely Feb 20 20:10
schestowitz I read something earlier about, well… Feb 20 20:11
schestowitz The Tech bubble led to growth of Linux. Feb 20 20:11
schestowitz People just wanted to carry on coding something, so unemployed people gave it a boost Feb 20 20:11
schestowitz I didn’t follow Linux closely at the time (just used it) Feb 20 20:11
schestowitz I can’t quite recall where I read and whether I paste it in IRC this morning. Feb 20 20:11
schestowitz amd-linux: regardless of what it does the FOSS, that’s the wrong Q Feb 20 20:12
schestowitz It hurts Apple (AppleWorld dies, no new products this year) and it hurts Microsoft more Feb 20 20:12
schestowitz It’s all relative but with all in “brace” mode, the clumsy ones can’t advance… Debian did well with 5.0 Feb 20 20:13
amd-linux well, sad thing is that it needs such a desaster scenario to make people aware of FOSS Feb 20 20:13
schestowitz [H]omer will breathe more life back into BLAG Linux. Feb 20 20:13
schestowitz BLAG Linux and GNU Feb 20 20:13
MinceR blogoblag Feb 20 20:13
MinceR :) Feb 20 20:13
schestowitz :-o Feb 20 20:13
schestowitz In the news today: http://weblog.infoworld.com/stratdev/a… (Vista 7 sabotages Linux neighbours) Feb 20 20:14
schestowitz Shades of OS/2 and DR-DOS attack tactics Feb 20 20:14
schestowitz Man Dies at Microsoft Again: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/mi… Feb 20 20:14
schestowitz Maybe Microsoft is haunted. Some time ago a man fell down the elevator shaft and a Microsoft employee committed suicide by jumping out the window (a month ago). Feb 20 20:15
schestowitz Conficker Worm Gets an Evil Twin < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159890/conficke… > Feb 20 20:15
schestowitz Will Microsoft offer $250,000 for another person’s head ;-) Feb 20 20:15
schestowitz Analyst: HP Results Bad News for Microsoft < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159870/analy… > Feb 20 20:15
schestowitz http://www.itwire.com/content/… (The ugly side of Apple) Feb 20 20:15
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/… ( Windows 7 fast track alarms technical testers )…… schnell schnell! Never mind if the clusterfsck is filled with bugs still. Feb 20 20:16
schestowitz http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statu… Feb 20 20:19
schestowitz Vista7… killed by a pack of koalas?? Feb 20 20:19
amd-linux Glyn Moody – I recently discovered that he is THE Glyn Moody who wrote “The Software Rebels”….. was not aware of this, have his book, very good read, I can only recommend it Feb 20 20:22
schestowitz Broken Windows: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachus… Feb 20 20:23
trmanco what is this? -> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/0… some kind of a joke? Feb 20 20:23
schestowitz amd-linux: Moody and I are very much alike in our opinions and convictions. That’s why I read him, Feb 20 20:24
schestowitz trmanco: *everything* Microsoft does these days is a joke… thing like search bribery Feb 20 20:25
trmanco lol Feb 20 20:26
schestowitz trmanco: just seen it. Would rather not give it visibility… it’s kind of viral Feb 20 20:26
amd-linux I hope MS gets rid of Ballmer and his clique soon Feb 20 20:26
trmanco yeah, sort of Feb 20 20:26
schestowitz I still wonder if that Release7Now campaign (can’t recall exact name) is Microsoft guerrilla marketing. They do this all the time. Feb 20 20:26
amd-linux he is a “cold-war warrior” wr to FOSS Feb 20 20:26
schestowitz amd-linux: they’ll be screwed without him Feb 20 20:27
schestowitz They rely on being bullies Feb 20 20:27
MinceR no need to get rid of ballmer, m$ is m$ under any leadership Feb 20 20:27
MinceR they simply need to die Feb 20 20:27
schestowitz They have PR ‘fronts’ like Ramji and Ozzie Feb 20 20:27
amd-linux MS is too big, to important – imagine the investments of many pension funds in MS Feb 20 20:27
schestowitz Ballmer is actually good for Microsoft Feb 20 20:27
amd-linux that alone will prevent that the US let them die Feb 20 20:27
MinceR then the US will have to die too Feb 20 20:28
amd-linux why is he good? he is running them into the ground, everybody can see this? Feb 20 20:28
schestowitz An academic friend of mine has watched this industry for decade and he theorises that Gates stepped down after Microsoft had lost $18bn in 1998. He left Ballmer to just squeeze any penny that’s left in the pyramid scheme Feb 20 20:28
schestowitz So Ballmer cared only about quick profits, nothing else. Feb 20 20:28
amd-linux he is a fanatic, but on the dark side – he is maybe too proud to admit that he is wrong, dead wrong Feb 20 20:28
MinceR what’s running them into the ground is that they haven’t ever come up with a single usable product during their existence Feb 20 20:29
amd-linux Objection – I have a notebook mouse from MS that actually works well :-) Feb 20 20:29
MinceR notebook mice are pointless Feb 20 20:29
schestowitz MinceR: It’s not good, either Feb 20 20:29
MinceR if a notebook can fit in your bag, why can’t a normal mouse? Feb 20 20:29
schestowitz The US is probably the most dangerous country in thw world, bar none Feb 20 20:30
schestowitz Not my opinion BTW Feb 20 20:30
MinceR indeed Feb 20 20:30
schestowitz Surveys in the EU indicates that the US is the “biggest threat to world peace” Feb 20 20:30
schestowitz I kid hyou not Feb 20 20:30
schestowitz I found it hard to believe too Feb 20 20:30
MinceR i find it easy to believe Feb 20 20:30
amd-linux I can confirm this sentiment Feb 20 20:30
schestowitz So as Dow Jones descends almost below 7000 now, they can get more aggressive, like MSFT Feb 20 20:30
MinceR they’re a big, trigger-happy bully with lots of “allies” Feb 20 20:30
amd-linux the US need to take what is going on in Mid East – sooner or later a desperate terrorist Feb 20 20:31
schestowitz amd-linux: didn’t they just buy a company for peripherals? Feb 20 20:31
schestowitz It’s a logo-sticking strtegy Feb 20 20:31
MinceR and they’re the agent of a lot of unscrupulous businesses to enforce laws over the world that are only good for those businesses Feb 20 20:31
schestowitz Like Cisco and Google… Feb 20 20:31
trmanco “A savvy Koala knows that the best way to conserve energy is to go Feb 20 20:31
trmanco to sleep, and these days even servers can suspend and resume, so imagine Feb 20 20:31
trmanco if we could make it possible to build a cloud computing facility that Feb 20 20:31
trmanco drops its energy use virtually to zero by napping in the midday heat, Feb 20 20:31
trmanco and waking up when there’s work to be done. No need to drink at the Feb 20 20:31
trmanco energy fountain when there’s nothing going on. If we get all of this Feb 20 20:32
trmanco right, our Koala will help take the edge off the bear market. Feb 20 20:32
trmanco Feb 20 20:32
schestowitz Google too is just buying anything it can (except SE) and then slaps “G” onto thenm Feb 20 20:32
trmanco How about this, ? Feb 20 20:32
amd-linux MS? Dont know. I just know that they were once famous for mice and keyboards which seemed to be good quality in opposite to their software Feb 20 20:32
schestowitz Does Shuttleworth call Ballmer a “bear” Feb 20 20:33
schestowitz Or is it a naked (bear) market? Feb 20 20:33
amd-linux BTW I still wonder why Google did not buy Dropbox and Steam…. they would perfectly fit Feb 20 20:33
MinceR why can’t people just buy logitech? :> Feb 20 20:33
amd-linux in their portfolio, and Dropbox would make the G-Drive a reality, finally Feb 20 20:33
schestowitz Google h/w? Feb 20 20:34
schestowitz That would be odd. Feb 20 20:34
schestowitz Misfit.. Feb 20 20:34
trmanco Steam? no way Feb 20 20:34
schestowitz Microsoft was able to make peripherals Windows-only or favourable to Windows. Feb 20 20:34
schestowitz Where the gain/intergration to Google? Feb 20 20:34
schestowitz Vista7 is steam Feb 20 20:35
schestowitz Steamware Feb 20 20:35
schestowitz It really steams too Feb 20 20:35
amd-linux Dropbox? Platform agnostic cloud storage – beautiful Feb 20 20:35
amd-linux Dropbox is a virtual drive that connects with different filemanagers (Nautilus i.e.) Feb 20 20:36
amd-linux and syncs your files automatically Feb 20 20:36
amd-linux exactly what G-Drive is expected to do…. Feb 20 20:36
schestowitz I already have my two ‘dropboxes’ right here (for backup)… I keep my data where I live, away from the nice chaps < http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asi… > Feb 20 20:36
MinceR i prefer real drives to virtual ones :> Feb 20 20:37
trmanco loool Feb 20 20:37
trmanco they are all real Feb 20 20:37
schestowitz Until…. Feb 20 20:37
schestowitz Like MS DRM… Feb 20 20:37
schestowitz It just pops Feb 20 20:37
amd-linux the drives are real – just not under your desk but somewhere else :-) Feb 20 20:37
schestowitz “We are sorry to inform you……. blah blah’ Feb 20 20:37
MinceR i prefer to keep mine on my desk Feb 20 20:38
trmanco you can actually touch your data if you gain physical access to the hard drives :-P Feb 20 20:38
schestowitz Werb hosting and mail are different Feb 20 20:38
schestowitz Because of uptime Feb 20 20:38
trmanco ma.gnolia crapped out Feb 20 20:38
schestowitz You need someone to handle them with care all the time Feb 20 20:38
schestowitz Backup is less time-critical Feb 20 20:38
MinceR i am someone Feb 20 20:38
schestowitz What if you are on holiday? Feb 20 20:38
MinceR and i care more about my own data than all the companies in the world together Feb 20 20:38
schestowitz Or there is a power failure? Feb 20 20:39
MinceR i don’t need to do backups on holiday Feb 20 20:39
schestowitz Yes Feb 20 20:39
amd-linux I also would not trust wr to my confidential data, but for the daily stuff this seems convenient, at least for me Feb 20 20:39
schestowitz MinceR: I was referring to hosting Feb 20 20:39
MinceR oh. Feb 20 20:39
schestowitz MinceR: we talked about different things Feb 20 20:39
schestowitz Like in satires Feb 20 20:39
MinceR well, i’d rather control that myself too Feb 20 20:39
amd-linux lool Feb 20 20:39
MinceR that way i can solve any issues instantly Feb 20 20:39
schestowitz MinceR: trade-off Feb 20 20:39
schestowitz You could also grow your own food Feb 20 20:40
MinceR i could if i had the tech to make it low-maintenance Feb 20 20:40
schestowitz But it’s more efficient to certalise some operations like hosting and datacentres(ralisation) Feb 20 20:40
MinceR like my storage :> Feb 20 20:40
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MinceR in fact, with tech that’s advanced enough, i wouldn’t even need food at all Feb 20 20:41
MinceR :> Feb 20 20:41
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trmanco w00t Feb 20 20:42
trmanco that just reminded me of something funny (food) Feb 20 20:42
schestowitz No comment: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0… Feb 20 20:43
schestowitz It looks like a monitor Feb 20 20:43
trmanco http://www.deanliou.com/WinRG/ -> click the start button and try ordering some food Feb 20 20:44
amd-linux nice :-) Feb 20 20:47
*schestowitz realises the same song has been playing in a loop for 5 hours !! Feb 20 20:48
*schestowitz changes track to prevent headache Feb 20 20:48
trmanco loool Feb 20 20:49
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amd-linux very good, good link :-) Feb 20 20:49
PetoKraus link of the day :D Feb 20 20:50
*PetoKraus np: Pink Floyd – Echoes (Meddle) Feb 20 20:50
schestowitz trmanco: hehe Feb 20 20:50
schestowitz trmanco: this is strange for the wrong reason Feb 20 20:50
schestowitz I haven’t done a Windows like GUI for years Feb 20 20:50
trmanco I looks like KDE Feb 20 20:51
trmanco :-P Feb 20 20:51
schestowitz Not mine Feb 20 20:51
schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/temp/screenshot… Feb 20 20:51
trmanco just with a bunch of bloat and “red” lipstick Feb 20 20:51
trmanco hmm, your task bar is on the right side, interesting Feb 20 20:52
schestowitz Aero-lipstick Feb 20 20:52
schestowitz A man walks into a bar and says to the pig, “You can put Aero on a pig..” Feb 20 20:52
MinceR …but it will still be slow, unreliable and incompatible. Feb 20 20:53
MinceR ;) Feb 20 20:53
trmanco pigs are too small, think bigger Feb 20 20:53
schestowitz trmanco: no taskbar there. Feb 20 20:53
trmanco they really put in a lot of lipstick Feb 20 20:53
schestowitz The taskbar is autohidden on top and I never use it Feb 20 20:53
trmanco than what do you call that right bar? Feb 20 20:53
trmanco quick launch :-P Feb 20 20:53
schestowitz I use awn and assign apps to different desktops, then swilriling ‘inside the cube with F[1-8] Feb 20 20:53
schestowitz *swirling Feb 20 20:54
MinceR 215908 <&Eiseg> did you know if you watch the Movie “Jaws” backwards, it’s a movie about a shark that keeps throwing people up until they have to Feb 20 20:54
MinceR                 open a beach? Feb 20 20:54
schestowitz trmanco: mixer, system monitor, menu Feb 20 20:54
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trmanco ahh, ok Feb 20 20:54
schestowitz Klipper is there too Feb 20 20:54
schestowitz MinceR: source? Feb 20 20:55
MinceR OtherWorlders/#game-design Feb 20 20:55
schestowitz MinceR: Did you see the move “release of Vista”? It’s about a gremlin that escapes the cell before it’s ready for release and applying at immigration for a name change to “RTM” Feb 20 20:56
MinceR lol Feb 20 20:56
MinceR RTM? Feb 20 20:56
schestowitz Vista was made in Puerto Rico Feb 20 20:57
schestowitz Poor working conditions Feb 20 20:57
schestowitz CVheap Feb 20 20:57
schestowitz Long hours Feb 20 20:57
schestowitz That’s where it was manufactured Feb 20 20:57
schestowitz Vista 7 is engineered in India Feb 20 20:57
schestowitz I don’t know where they’ll make copies of it (other than torrent of that BetaVista7) Feb 20 20:57
schestowitz Vista7… when Microsoft went so low… low enough to disribute through Pirate Bay. Feb 20 20:58
schestowitz Next thing you know they’ll release Win7.0.1 that goes to the side alley for a quickie Feb 20 20:58
MinceR engineered? Feb 20 20:59
schestowitz Vista 7puts the “tras”h in trash-y Vista :-D Feb 20 20:59
schestowitz Well, wrong word. Feb 20 20:59
schestowitz Barfed? Feb 20 20:59
schestowitz Emitted? Feb 20 20:59
MinceR closer Feb 20 20:59
MinceR shat Feb 20 20:59
MinceR vomited Feb 20 20:59
schestowitz “Microsoft India centre working on Windows 7 [...] “Designers and engineers at Microsoft R&D centre in India have a new mandate for development of Windows 7, the next generation operating system from  Microsoft Corporation, slated for release in 2009-10. ” http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/business/… Feb 20 21:00
schestowitz Don’t worry. Feb 20 21:00
schestowitz Micrrosoft will tell us that it’s because Americans are stupid Feb 20 21:00
schestowitz Billy and Abramoff will explain this to US congress Feb 20 21:01
schestowitz “As many as 5,000 employees are being shown the door at Microsoft, which uses more H1-B guest-worker visas than any other U.S. company. Some employees and politicians say Microsoft should get rid of foreigners first” http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601… Feb 20 21:01
schestowitz Novell is shafting EU-based staff. You’ll see next week (again) Feb 20 21:02
schestowitz They expand in India too… globalisation and all… more hours, less benefits, etc etc. Feb 20 21:02
schestowitz Stupid Apple! “Whereas the OpenDocument standards are well-documented, xml-based, platform-independent and reasonably mature. So, I’m not sure why Apple wants to reinvent the wheel with their own proprietary document formats (though I have a theory, see below).” http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/c… Feb 20 21:07
MinceR that’s easy to tell: lock-in. Feb 20 21:07
schestowitz What do Ballmer and Jobs have in common (other than a first name)? Feb 20 21:10
MinceR they’re both megalomaniac sociopaths Feb 20 21:12
MinceR and worshipped by countless clueless idiots Feb 20 21:12
schestowitz I can’t find the picture of jobs and ballmer with chains Feb 20 21:13
schestowitz It’s to do with lock-in Feb 20 21:13
schestowitz It took a Hollywood and showed Ballmer chained by Job. VERY funny. Feb 20 21:13
schestowitz I can’t find it, I give up. Image search is hard Feb 20 21:14
schestowitz But this one’s something too: http://images.google.com/imgres?i… Feb 20 21:14
schestowitz Masnick is /brilliant/. He too found that BBC article I brought here yesterday to be utterly stupid… “Social Networking Will Kill You… Or Maybe Not” < http://techdirt.com/articles/200902… > so using a compute = “social networking” now Feb 20 21:16
schestowitz MAFIAA defenders see album leaked: http://techdirt.com/articles… Feb 20 21:17
schestowitz I like his articles, but he’s using bad words. I asked him put ‘scare quote’ around “piracy”. he reinforces propaganda vocabulary of the RIAA/MPAA. This is not crime at high seas.. Feb 20 21:21
schestowitz haha. “Student Arrested For Classroom Texting Wisconsin girl, 14, nabbed after refusing to stop messaging” < http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years… > Feb 20 21:22
schestowitz Pedagogic Talibans… Feb 20 21:22
schestowitz She has a police record now.. a gal that’s only 14… for texting at class :-) Feb 20 21:23
schestowitz Ballmer and Microsoft bribes.. OK. No problem there with white-collar crime… because the police is busy detaining little girls Feb 20 21:24
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schestowitz ..I’m trying to pressure site to stop saying “open source”. It’s about Free software, not Open Source. Open source means all sort of things these days, including wine, energy, even sex. When open source mixes with software patents and DRM, then it’s time to remember what it’s all about (not just a marketing ploy). Feb 20 21:38
schestowitz Another issue: The proposition of fighting fire with fire has become quite commonplace. I was appalled to see the Linux Foundation, for example, paying the deceptive forces of IDC for some made-up numbers in order to promote themselves. Feb 20 21:38
schestowitz Free/open source software is partly to do with curing ills, not embracing the very same art of marketing/PR (i.e. imposed deception and spin) to our advantage. What’s left is educating the public about how to interpret signals (e.g. fashionable consumption as way of life), which may prove hard because of how children are raised. If only more sites did good, not did ‘busine$$’… Feb 20 21:39
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schestowitz BN just been cited in CNET Feb 20 21:47
schestowitz Novell has just acquired a proprietary asset (while sacking its Linux devs) Feb 20 21:51
schestowitz Novell advertises a lot in IDG this week… non-Free software. Feb 20 21:59
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schestowitz I hear that Ron Hovsepian’s had an internal memo really bugged someone Feb 20 22:36
schestowitz I wonder what it said. Feb 20 22:36
schestowitz The layoffs will come next week. And I hear that “Even if they didn’t lay off 25% of their work force, they did lay off 20% of their OpenSUSE team.  What does that say about the company’s priorities?” I hear the real number may be 20% (overall). I checked  my source and it’s really authentic, not a forger. Feb 20 22:37
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Balrog Hey…they found another ‘solution’ for video capture Feb 20 22:55
Balrog but it’s also based on MS silverlight D: Feb 20 22:55
Balrog anyways, I’ll be around later Feb 20 22:55
schestowitz :-( Feb 20 23:05
schestowitz Silver Lie.. Feb 20 23:05
schestowitz I was just doing a post about it. Feb 20 23:05
schestowitz Source re: Novell’s latest buyout: “That’s interesting, but I _suspect_ they’ll have bigger stuff to announce.  What the heck, I’ll post a speculative piece [..] on what I suspect is in the works.” Feb 20 23:05
schestowitz Big news coming fro   Novell soon. Can you feel it? Feb 20 23:06
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twitter Vista, can also spell Stavi.  I thought it sounded cool, like fake Russian or something.  http://www.google.com/search?q=stavi&i… Feb 20 23:23
twitter first hit is visually impaired people. Feb 20 23:23
twitter Blind.  Appropriate but nothing to make fun with. Feb 20 23:24
schestowitz “Stavi Ballmer.. don’t press ze button…” http://www.roughlydrafted.com/wp-conte… Feb 20 23:24
twitter Something crawling up on you, http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseactio… Feb 20 23:25
twitter specifically, http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/66… Feb 20 23:25
schestowitz The nice thing about MIB is that if you link to an image in IRC, then it renders an image in the Web-based IRC client Feb 20 23:25
schestowitz Xchat just displays a URL, not a thumbnail. Feb 20 23:26
twitter that might be nice …. Feb 20 23:26
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twitter “I was appalled to see the Linux Foundation, for example, paying the deceptive forces of IDC for some made-up numbers in order to promote themselves.”  Oh, now that’s bad if they really did it.  Lies discredit, they never help. Feb 20 23:31
schestowitz Search BN for it… I wrote a lot about it with the details. They even hire the anti-Linux henchman, Al Gillen Feb 20 23:34
schestowitz IDC is about the manufacturing of ‘adverts’ to clients, custom-tailored based on needs Feb 20 23:36
benJIman Heh at recent linuxhaters post. Feb 20 23:38
oiaohm That idea of drawing a eye path on the gui is a good one. Feb 20 23:42
schestowitz Not a new one..? Feb 20 23:43
oiaohm The way he did it. Feb 20 23:43
oiaohm Hand drawn on. Feb 20 23:43
oiaohm Yes there is a new Linuxhater post anti SUSE. Feb 20 23:45
oiaohm Sometimes the haters do come up with good thing for development by there actions. Feb 20 23:47
oiaohm Ok there pure hate out wieghs it most of the time. Feb 20 23:47
benJIman http://gonzalo.name/blog/archive/Mo… <- We might actually start to be able to migrate .net hosting from windows to linux soon \o/ Feb 20 23:49
oiaohm Its still why be running .net sites in the first place. Feb 20 23:50
schestowitz twitter: your picture here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/20/slack… Feb 20 23:50
schestowitz oiaohm: yes, exactly. Feb 20 23:51
oiaohm Its not like php is a poor releation.   It the most dominate web platform. Feb 20 23:51
Balrog yeah, SL sucks. Feb 20 23:52
oiaohm Also php does not suffer from Windows updates to .net stuffing up browser compadiblity. Feb 20 23:52
Balrog doesn’t even do x-platform a lot Feb 20 23:52
oiaohm Secound life internally does not run .net Feb 20 23:53
oiaohm Only the clone of it does. Feb 20 23:53
Balrog well, unfortunately, it sucks to rewrite all that .net code into PHP or one of the alternatives Feb 20 23:53
oiaohm So days of asp2php is needed again. Feb 20 23:53
oiaohm Major reason why hosters like php over .net is they can audit it themself simply. Feb 20 23:54
Balrog yeah. Someone I know said …. Feb 20 23:55
Balrog “again, try code maintenance with .net first….. its a developer’s dream man” Feb 20 23:55
oiaohm Audit Feb 20 23:55
oiaohm Not code maintenance. Feb 20 23:55
Balrog and “try web development in both php and http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://asp.net and then get back to me on what’s easier or better for interoperability” Feb 20 23:56
Balrog it was a facebook convo so don’t worry about that link Feb 20 23:56
Balrog in any case, the better sites I see use php or some other open platform Feb 20 23:56
schestowitz *LOL* “Subject: my letter to suse community [...] Dear Suse Community, Feb 20 23:56
schestowitz Please get out of there as soon as possible. Feb 20 23:56
schestowitz Thank you very much, Feb 20 23:56
schestowitz A Linux user. “ Feb 20 23:56
Balrog schestowitz: where? Feb 20 23:57
schestowitz Source: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?l… Feb 20 23:57
oiaohm Problem is I have used ASP.net Feb 20 23:57
schestowitz Here is the LunuxHaters post, “Just let it die, please” < http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2009/02/ju… > Feb 20 23:57
oiaohm I am back on PHP becuase its simpler. Feb 20 23:58
Balrog oiaohm: is asp.net better for interoperability or easier Feb 20 23:58
oiaohm Ammount of prebuilt code of PHP is insane. Feb 20 23:58
Balrog ? Feb 20 23:58
Balrog I don’t think so….? Feb 20 23:58
oiaohm interoperablity with what. Feb 20 23:58
oiaohm Again. Feb 20 23:58
Balrog browsers, I guess. Feb 20 23:59
oiaohm If you want interoperablity with every web browser out there. Feb 20 23:59
oiaohm You need direct control of what is sent to the browser from time to time. Feb 20 23:59
Balrog though I’d dispute that. Feb 20 23:59
oiaohm PHP provides that. Feb 20 23:59
oiaohm With out it new browser released something broken you cannot fix. Feb 20 23:59
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    Caligra, WebODF and various influential nations' departure from Microsoft Office will help famous projects such as OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice make ODF the only international standard for editable documents exchange



  29. The Effect of Corporate Media Bias: FOSS Demonisation and Microsoft Openwashing

    A set of very recent examples where the corporate press produces FOSS-hostile articles (or pro-Microsoft articles) by citing biased sources of convenience



  30. The NSA's Top (and First) PRISM Partner, Microsoft, Lies to Governments and Businesses as Office Gets Banned in China

    Developments in China reveal that security and privacy threats posed by reliance on Microsoft are so great that a ban becomes inevitable and continues to expand (Microsoft put on more and more block lists and blacklists)


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