| Balrog_ |
MS is attacking linux |
Feb 26 00:11 |
| Balrog_ |
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?s… |
Feb 26 00:11 |
| schestowitz |
WTF? http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microso… |
Feb 26 00:11 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, seen that 5 secs ago |
Feb 26 00:12 |
| Balrog_ |
that’s what I sent |
Feb 26 00:12 |
| Balrog_ |
 |
Feb 26 00:12 |
| schestowitz |
Software patents fan IBM should sue Microsoft if it had got guts. |
Feb 26 00:13 |
| Balrog_ |
it looks like they’re after FAT/FAT32 patents |
Feb 26 00:13 |
| schestowitz |
This means that any company with Linux in its devices can be sued now |
Feb 26 00:13 |
| schestowitz |
TomTom recently complained about patent suits |
Feb 26 00:13 |
| Balrog_ |
 |
Feb 26 00:13 |
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Feb 26 00:14 |
| schestowitz |
Still.. |
Feb 26 00:14 |
| schestowitz |
Doesn’t matter which patents |
Feb 26 00:14 |
| schestowitz |
I’ll make a placeholder post |
Feb 26 00:15 |
| Balrog_ |
ok . |
Feb 26 00:15 |
| Balrog_ |
you should check which patents though |
Feb 26 00:16 |
| schestowitz |
Glyn Moody submitted it |
Feb 26 00:16 |
| schestowitz |
he’s like a friend |
Feb 26 00:16 |
| Balrog_ |
I see. |
Feb 26 00:16 |
| schestowitz |
Balrog: thanks |
Feb 26 00:16 |
| Balrog_ |
np |
Feb 26 00:16 |
| schestowitz |
It’s amazing that we wrote about this in IRC like 5 seconds apart |
Feb 26 00:17 |
| schestowitz |
Literally. |
Feb 26 00:17 |
| Balrog_ |
yeah. |
Feb 26 00:17 |
| Balrog_ |
I saw it and pasted it right away |
Feb 26 00:17 |
| PetoKraus |
now now |
Feb 26 00:18 |
| Balrog_ |
“CNet benchmarked Safari 4′s Javascript and found it to be 42x faster than IE 7, 6x faster than IE 8 and the fastest compared to any browser” |
Feb 26 00:18 |
| PetoKraus |
well |
Feb 26 00:18 |
| PetoKraus |
benchmarked what |
Feb 26 00:18 |
| PetoKraus |
 |
Feb 26 00:18 |
| Balrog_ |
Minefield (firefox alpha) and chrome are close |
Feb 26 00:18 |
| Balrog_ |
like nearly at the same speed |
Feb 26 00:18 |
| Balrog_ |
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0… |
Feb 26 00:18 |
| schestowitz |
I’m creating a “TomTom” category |
Feb 26 00:18 |
| Balrog_ |
IE 8 sucks |
Feb 26 00:18 |
| schestowitz |
TomTom will receive a lot of attention soon |
Feb 26 00:19 |
| schestowitz |
Maybe good advertising (exposure) |
Feb 26 00:19 |
| Balrog_ |
IE 7 *really* sucks |
Feb 26 00:19 |
| PetoKraus |
anyway |
Feb 26 00:19 |
| PetoKraus |
there’s nothing about the benchmark they used |
Feb 26 00:20 |
| Balrog_ |
sunspider |
Feb 26 00:20 |
| PetoKraus |
oh i c |
Feb 26 00:20 |
| PetoKraus |
so it’s only JS |
Feb 26 00:20 |
| Balrog_ |
see the cnet page |
Feb 26 00:20 |
| Balrog_ |
yes |
Feb 26 00:20 |
| PetoKraus |
:/ |
Feb 26 00:20 |
| Balrog_ |
firefox is getting there |
Feb 26 00:20 |
| PetoKraus |
well |
Feb 26 00:20 |
| PetoKraus |
i want 3.1  |
Feb 26 00:21 |
| PetoKraus |
pushed out |
Feb 26 00:21 |
| Balrog_ |
heh |
Feb 26 00:21 |
| Balrog_ |
I use betas |
Feb 26 00:21 |
| schestowitz |
http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/25/m… |
Feb 26 00:24 |
| schestowitz |
I’ve just posted this in USENET |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
“Hehe. |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft is promoting litigious people and changing its agenda, just like SCO. |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft knows what’s coming. |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
Windows margins are falling close to $0 (on sub-notebooks first). |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
Vista and Vista 7 are a mess that’s not even backward compatible. |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
Office has just been delayed (again) and in a down economy people won’t pay for |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
it anyway. |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
All the rest of Microsoft’s products are usually disasters that would be better |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
called off. |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
Mark this date in the calendars. Microsoft used to brag about never using |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
software patents offensively… until now. |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
And lots of Europeans will be pissed off… enough to give Microsoft the ‘SCO |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
treatment’. |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
TomTom CEO: ‘We spent more money on patent litigation then R&D |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?… |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
TomTom CEO: ‘The cumbersome patent situation works against everyone who is |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
trying to build business’ |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v… |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
It took SCO 4 years until Chapter 11. Can Microsoft survive longer? Not if it’s |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
already in debt. |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
Linux is winning!” |
Feb 26 00:36 |
| schestowitz |
Funny thing is, just a few days ago Asay told me that he is the one asking to see that Horacio patent terrorist (Sun terminology) |
Feb 26 00:41 |
| schestowitz |
Now the guy is spreadheading attacks on Linux. |
Feb 26 00:41 |
| Balrog_ |
wait a minute |
Feb 26 00:42 |
| schestowitz |
OK |
Feb 26 00:43 |
| Balrog_ |
I was wondering about something |
Feb 26 00:43 |
| Balrog_ |
but let me check |
Feb 26 00:43 |
| schestowitz |
I told Asay Horacio was trouble…. |
Feb 26 00:45 |
| Balrog_ |
I was wondering why Safari was playing ogg video in the browser |
Feb 26 00:47 |
| Balrog_ |
I have the plugin for that |
Feb 26 00:47 |
| Balrog_ |
(Xiph) |
Feb 26 00:47 |
| Balrog_ |
but that’t OT |
Feb 26 00:47 |
| Balrog_ |
that’s |
Feb 26 00:47 |
| Balrog_ |
* |
Feb 26 00:47 |
| schestowitz |
http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2009/02/… ….. |
Feb 26 00:47 |
| Balrog_ |
what about it? |
Feb 26 00:48 |
| schestowitz |
Safari and Ogg? Really? |
Feb 26 00:48 |
| Balrog_ |
yeah with a plugin |
Feb 26 00:48 |
| schestowitz |
I’m surprised Opera doesn’t have it yet |
Feb 26 00:48 |
| Balrog_ |
it’s actually a Quicktime plugin though |
Feb 26 00:48 |
| schestowitz |
Opera was one of the MAIN PUSHERS for it |
Feb 26 00:48 |
| Balrog_ |
http://www.xiph.org/quicktim… |
Feb 26 00:48 |
| schestowitz |
Firefox/Mozilla just a follower |
Feb 26 00:48 |
| Balrog_ |
heh |
Feb 26 00:48 |
| schestowitz |
But FF3.1 seems like the brailblazer in terms of support |
Feb 26 00:48 |
| schestowitz |
Apple shot down Ogg |
Feb 26 00:48 |
| schestowitz |
Apple is ANTI Ogg |
Feb 26 00:49 |
| schestowitz |
So expect no Safari support |
Feb 26 00:49 |
| schestowitz |
They love Qtime and DRM |
Feb 26 00:49 |
| Balrog_ |
without a plugin |
Feb 26 00:49 |
| schestowitz |
They also have a relationship with MS |
Feb 26 00:49 |
| schestowitz |
MS hates Ogg |
Feb 26 00:49 |
| Balrog_ |
well they’re dropping DRM from itunes …. but quicktime does have a higher quality per Kbps … or does it? |
Feb 26 00:49 |
| schestowitz |
It wants to poison the Web with patents and WinDRM |
Feb 26 00:49 |
| Balrog_ |
and WMV |
Feb 26 00:49 |
| schestowitz |
Yes |
Feb 26 00:49 |
| schestowitz |
And Moon Lie/Silver Lie |
Feb 26 00:49 |
| Balrog_ |
Apple is using H.264 and MPEG-standards, at least |
Feb 26 00:50 |
| Balrog_ |
which is better than WMV |
Feb 26 00:50 |
| Balrog_ |
though still, Ogg should be more supported |
Feb 26 00:50 |
| schestowitz |
KDE 4.2 on Gentoo < http://home.coming.dk/index.php/2009/02… > |
Feb 26 00:52 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=1060 |
Feb 26 00:53 |
| schestowitz |
Turns out they support more than just Ogg |
Feb 26 00:53 |
| schestowitz |
I made a little typo in my comment there. |
Feb 26 00:53 |
| schestowitz |
Google Vs. Symbian: ‘My Linux Is More Open Than Your Linux’ < http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/a… >. Nokia/Symbian become a nuisance… more so than Solaris/Sun. |
Feb 26 00:54 |
| *schestowitz does some links for BN |
Feb 26 00:58 |
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Feb 26 01:16 |
| Balrog_ |
when will symbian go fully open source? |
Feb 26 01:18 |
| Balrog_ |
ever? |
Feb 26 01:18 |
| schestowitz |
2010 they say, I think.. but watch the licences |
Feb 26 01:18 |
| Balrog_ |
heh. Is there any code they don’t own that may complicate things? |
Feb 26 01:18 |
| schestowitz |
“Open source” is a very broad term these days.. not meaning all 4 freedoms (0-3) are necessarily honoured |
Feb 26 01:18 |
| schestowitz |
Balrog: I think so, I belueve so |
Feb 26 01:19 |
| Balrog_ |
erm. |
Feb 26 01:19 |
| schestowitz |
Google’s open source has similar strings, but it’s better than nothing |
Feb 26 01:19 |
| Balrog_ |
Java had it, but the community worked it out |
Feb 26 01:19 |
| schestowitz |
They also find ways to combining with Tivoizatio, DRM, patents… |
Feb 26 01:19 |
| Balrog_ |
heh |
Feb 26 01:20 |
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Feb 26 01:20 |
| Balrog_ |
wait a minute |
Feb 26 01:24 |
| Balrog_ |
isn’t suing over FAT abuse of monopoly? |
Feb 26 01:24 |
| Balrog_ |
(everyone uses FAT for removable RW disks) |
Feb 26 01:25 |
| Balrog_ |
schestowitz: another thing about quicktime is that about the only place you can get DRM’d quicktime media is the itunes store |
Feb 26 01:29 |
| schestowitz |
In the EU it’s abuse, I think |
Feb 26 01:29 |
| schestowitz |
It was maybe upheld at the end. |
Feb 26 01:29 |
| schestowitz |
But it’s dodgy territory. |
Feb 26 01:29 |
| Balrog_ |
schestowitz: I heard they dropped the case when itunes music went drm free |
Feb 26 01:30 |
| Balrog_ |
this patent < http://www.everypatent.com/comp… > is annoying …. may cause problems with flash-drive interoperability if it’s upheld. |
Feb 26 01:33 |
| schestowitz |
Groklaw is still busy tracking SCO, but only privately |
Feb 26 01:34 |
| schestowitz |
No post yet about TomTom |
Feb 26 01:34 |
| Balrog_ |
probably doing some research |
Feb 26 01:35 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, I reckon.. |
Feb 26 01:35 |
| Balrog_ |
also it just came out a few hours ago |
Feb 26 01:35 |
| schestowitz |
But she’s not doing much of GL anymore |
Feb 26 01:35 |
| Balrog_ |
and groklaw isn’t always the fastest to respond |
Feb 26 01:35 |
| schestowitz |
It’ll be covered a lot. I’m not sure we ought to kick this horse much. |
Feb 26 01:35 |
| schestowitz |
I have some more urgent patent news from Europe |
Feb 26 01:35 |
| Balrog_ |
?? |
Feb 26 01:36 |
| schestowitz |
I’ve been mailing to big MS moles |
Feb 26 01:36 |
| schestowitz |
From ACT, comptia, etc. |
Feb 26 01:36 |
| Balrog_ |
and …? |
Feb 26 01:36 |
| schestowitz |
I’ll post tomorrow |
Feb 26 01:36 |
| Balrog_ |
oh, and you’re absolutely right about the BSA |
Feb 26 01:37 |
| schestowitz |
I don’t know anyone from there, not by name |
Feb 26 01:38 |
| schestowitz |
They make a living ‘thanks’ to Microsoft, i.e. thanks to being pond scu |
Feb 26 01:38 |
| Balrog_ |
(about their connections to MS) |
Feb 26 01:39 |
| Balrog_ |
yeah |
Feb 26 01:39 |
| schestowitz |
There are others |
Feb 26 01:40 |
| schestowitz |
BN has a decent list scattered around |
Feb 26 01:40 |
| Balrog_ |
they are notorious |
Feb 26 01:41 |
| Balrog_ |
(for trying to find ‘piracy’) |
Feb 26 01:42 |
| schestowitz |
Yeah, I’ve been having arguments about ‘piracy’ (see comments): http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ostatic/~… |
Feb 26 01:47 |
| Balrog_ |
“Piracy” is a word that refers to copying and selling |
Feb 26 01:49 |
| Balrog_ |
(selling illegal copies) |
Feb 26 01:50 |
| schestowitz |
OK, last comment there: There should be no software patents* and patents are not “IP”, they are patents. (*few countries got corrupted by shill groups like BSA, ACT and CompTIA to enable these.) |
Feb 26 01:50 |
| Balrog_ |
like the DVD piracy industry in east asia :p |
Feb 26 01:50 |
| schestowitz |
Maybe so… but not originally. |
Feb 26 01:50 |
| Balrog_ |
Software patents should not be allowed. |
Feb 26 01:50 |
| Balrog_ |
well, that kind of piracy is bad, in any case. |
Feb 26 01:51 |
| schestowitz |
That’s like me saying that BSA is committing molestation |
Feb 26 01:51 |
| Balrog_ |
heh yeah |
Feb 26 01:51 |
| schestowitz |
And if it’s repeated often enough then the word becomes accestable |
Feb 26 01:51 |
| schestowitz |
Like “sneaked”- > “snuck” |
Feb 26 01:51 |
| schestowitz |
or “judgement” |
Feb 26 01:51 |
| schestowitz |
Call it counterfeiting. |
Feb 26 01:51 |
| schestowitz |
Or copyrights infringement |
Feb 26 01:51 |
| schestowitz |
“piracy” is a made-up term to daemonise |
Feb 26 01:52 |
| schestowitz |
To make copying be equated to murfer |
Feb 26 01:52 |
| schestowitz |
*murder |
Feb 26 01:52 |
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Feb 26 01:52 |
| Balrog_ |
gotta go. |
Feb 26 01:52 |
| Balrog_ |
didn’t we have printed book ‘piracy’ anyway? |
Feb 26 01:52 |
| Balrog_ |
It was actually Daniel Defoe who defined it |
Feb 26 01:53 |
| Balrog_ |
“For electronic and audio-visual media, unauthorized reproduction and distribution is occasionally referred to as piracy (an early reference was made by Daniel Defoe in 1703 when he said of his novel True-born Englishman : “Its being Printed again and again, by Pyrates”[2]).” |
Feb 26 01:53 |
| Balrog_ |
(wikipedia ‘Copyright infringement’) |
Feb 26 01:53 |
| Balrog_ |
:/ |
Feb 26 01:54 |
| twitter |
Yes, it is a pity we don’t allow people to share books electronically. |
Feb 26 01:54 |
| twitter |
Non commercial sharing can create the world’s greatest public library. |
Feb 26 01:55 |
| twitter |
Those who fight the creation of that library are criminals. |
Feb 26 01:55 |
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Feb 26 01:56 |
| schestowitz |
Libraries used to be about increasing of sharing (resources) |
Feb 26 01:56 |
| twitter |
Entertainment “Piracy” is a distraction, meant to cheapen the issue. |
Feb 26 01:56 |
| schestowitz |
In wealth, we all thrive |
Feb 26 01:56 |
| schestowitz |
Wealth is not just physical/money |
Feb 26 01:56 |
| twitter |
Public libraries are all about sharing. |
Feb 26 01:57 |
| twitter |
People buy books so everyone can read, learn and be entertained. |
Feb 26 01:57 |
| Balrog |
but content producers still need to make a living |
Feb 26 01:58 |
| twitter |
Publishers are turning on libraries now too, their greed is complete and unsparing. |
Feb 26 01:58 |
| Balrog |
so it’s a trade-off |
Feb 26 01:58 |
| twitter |
Everyone needs to make a living. |
Feb 26 01:58 |
| twitter |
Let’s be specific. “Content producers” is a demeaning term to authors, musicians and other people who deserve respect. |
Feb 26 01:58 |
| twitter |
It is true that free networks and sharing will harm some commercial authors, but the trade off is worth it. |
Feb 26 02:00 |
| schestowitz |
Those who orchestrate this are not artists |
Feb 26 02:00 |
| twitter |
You have to remember that most commercial authors are not successful anyway. For each success, there are thousands of commercial failures. |
Feb 26 02:00 |
| schestowitz |
They are typically middlemen |
Feb 26 02:00 |
| schestowitz |
These middlemen have over the years created this tier |
Feb 26 02:00 |
| schestowitz |
It ensured that to be successful, talented people MUST go through them |
Feb 26 02:01 |
| schestowitz |
To pay royalties |
Feb 26 02:01 |
| twitter |
Of course, the middle men are as responsible for the failure of most artists as they are for the success of the few they promote. |
Feb 26 02:01 |
| schestowitz |
They fix prices |
Feb 26 02:01 |
| schestowitz |
Price fixing on CDs for example |
Feb 26 02:01 |
| twitter |
They exclude in order to fix price. |
Feb 26 02:01 |
| schestowitz |
The artists hardly receive what they deserve |
Feb 26 02:01 |
| schestowitz |
So much of the money you, the customer pays never reaches the artist |
Feb 26 02:01 |
| twitter |
Their power to exclude gives them the power to rob artists as well as the public. |
Feb 26 02:01 |
| schestowitz |
Publishing of music and literature no longer needs to rely on their barriers |
Feb 26 02:01 |
| schestowitz |
Which is why s*it like DRM and Web filtering that just shoot legitimate content and tools came about |
Feb 26 02:02 |
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Feb 26 02:02 |
| schestowitz |
Hey, jose |
Feb 26 02:02 |
| schestowitz |
Heard the news? |
Feb 26 02:02 |
| twitter |
This power was based on technical limitations, shelf space and limited spectrum, that don’t exist anymore. |
Feb 26 02:02 |
| jose |
which |
Feb 26 02:02 |
| twitter |
do tell, jose. |
Feb 26 02:02 |
| schestowitz |
TomTom. |
Feb 26 02:03 |
| jose |
yes |
Feb 26 02:03 |
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Feb 26 02:03 |
| tessier_ |
Whee |
Feb 26 02:03 |
| twitter |
hi |
Feb 26 02:03 |
| tessier_ |
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?si… |
Feb 26 02:03 |
| tessier_ |
As I bet you have all seen |
Feb 26 02:03 |
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Feb 26 02:04 |
| twitter |
No, I’ve been traveling all day. |
Feb 26 02:04 |
| twitter |
* looking |
Feb 26 02:04 |
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Feb 26 02:05 |
| jose |
i figured everyone had seen that.. that’s why I came on |
Feb 26 02:05 |
| jose |
now every time someone mentions 1% linux desktop share.. |
Feb 26 02:05 |
| twitter |
OMG, they are finally on the attack. Good, they will be destroyed completely. |
Feb 26 02:05 |
| schestowitz |
SCO |
Feb 26 02:06 |
| jose |
ooops, i looked at the wrong tab on my browser |
Feb 26 02:06 |
| jose |
i was talking about this http://osnews.com/story/21035/Ballmer_Linu… |
Feb 26 02:06 |
| twitter |
litigation senility phase, I believe Gates called it. |
Feb 26 02:06 |
| schestowitz |
They think monopoly is a privilege |
Feb 26 02:07 |
| jose |
the product is a hardware product though right? |
Feb 26 02:07 |
| twitter |
well, thanks for passing on the patent attack. I’m updating http://slashdot.org/~twitter/j… |
Feb 26 02:07 |
| schestowitz |
If they lose because Vista stinks, then they must device monopoly enablers |
Feb 26 02:07 |
| schestowitz |
Patents in this case |
Feb 26 02:07 |
| schestowitz |
Granted, BN has covered this for over 2 years |
Feb 26 02:07 |
| schestowitz |
So we’re equipped with counter ammunition in terms of information. |
Feb 26 02:07 |
| schestowitz |
Like those TomTom videos I’ve just posted to BN |
Feb 26 02:07 |
| twitter |
It’s really the beginning of the end for them. |
Feb 26 02:08 |
| schestowitz |
I sent it to some reporters too |
Feb 26 02:08 |
| schestowitz |
jose: software too |
Feb 26 02:08 |
| jose |
>> |
Feb 26 02:08 |
| jose |
>>we feel that we really have no choice but to pursue legal action to protect our innovations and our partners who license them |
Feb 26 02:08 |
| schestowitz |
They address the s/w part |
Feb 26 02:08 |
| schestowitz |
and it they get their way, it’s not good for Android and others |
Feb 26 02:08 |
| schestowitz |
They use similar code |
Feb 26 02:08 |
| schestowitz |
So Microsoft may hope to do a binge/spree on Linux parts |
Feb 26 02:08 |
| jose |
there’s bound to be software there somewhere but i expect they would not sue except for a whole product |
Feb 26 02:09 |
| schestowitz |
It didn’t work well for SCO. It’ll make them look petty and obnoxious. |
Feb 26 02:09 |
| jose |
i was working today on a layman’s argument on how sw patents are unconstitutional (US) |
Feb 26 02:09 |
| jose |
i thought i might show it to marbux since he told me he was working on something like that |
Feb 26 02:09 |
| jose |
really, bilski might have clinched the deal. |
Feb 26 02:10 |
| jose |
i can’t see the supreme court going back |
Feb 26 02:10 |
| jose |
but |
Feb 26 02:10 |
| jose |
i did not see an unconstitutional argument.. free speech/expression and such |
Feb 26 02:10 |
| jose |
US law |
Feb 26 02:10 |
| jose |
seeing rms’ video |
Feb 26 02:11 |
| jose |
helped me focus on the sw as math |
Feb 26 02:11 |
| jose |
it isn’t math per say |
Feb 26 02:11 |
| jose |
but it’s, like thought, math, logic, writing, etc… |
Feb 26 02:12 |
| jose |
ideal |
Feb 26 02:12 |
| jose |
totally based on ideal |
Feb 26 02:12 |
| jose |
real patents (nonsoftware, nonbusiness, etc) are all based on overcoming physical imperfections |
Feb 26 02:12 |
| jose |
whether a process or a machine patent |
Feb 26 02:12 |
| jose |
sw, like thought.. or like speech once it’s placed in a computer’s memory.. |
Feb 26 02:13 |
| jose |
is ideal and removed 100% from the real world |
Feb 26 02:13 |
| jose |
it only caters to a perfect abstract machine |
Feb 26 02:13 |
| jose |
the patent innovation is the computer itself, the transistor logic solution that models boolean algebra quite well (with error correcting), etc |
Feb 26 02:14 |
| jose |
i’m hoping someone will sue microsoft or arcadia etc |
Feb 26 02:14 |
| jose |
pre-emptively |
Feb 26 02:14 |
| jose |
to demolish their entire portfolio |
Feb 26 02:14 |
| jose |
(self-defense) |
Feb 26 02:14 |
| jose |
msft would take a hit if their precious patent porfolio loses it’s sting against sw |
Feb 26 02:15 |
| jose |
(msft, the stock) |
Feb 26 02:15 |
| schestowitz |
Hm…… |
Feb 26 02:18 |
| jose |
..another clue to the ideal bit |
Feb 26 02:18 |
| schestowitz |
Actually.. |
Feb 26 02:18 |
| jose |
is the $0 cost to create, copy, distribute |
Feb 26 02:18 |
| schestowitz |
I was sent this bizarre stuff from OIN |
Feb 26 02:18 |
| schestowitz |
About BN patents |
Feb 26 02:18 |
| schestowitz |
No idea why… |
Feb 26 02:19 |
| schestowitz |
I didn’t reply |
Feb 26 02:19 |
| jose |
BN? |
Feb 26 02:19 |
| schestowitz |
Offering an interview… but it felt like they are promoting BM patents |
Feb 26 02:19 |
| schestowitz |
Wait.. |
Feb 26 02:19 |
| schestowitz |
They sent it twice even |
Feb 26 02:19 |
| schestowitz |
Again today.. |
Feb 26 02:19 |
| jose |
ask for permission to share it (or portions of the email) |
Feb 26 02:19 |
| jose |
what do you mean by BN patents? |
Feb 26 02:20 |
| schestowitz |
“CHASE RECEIVES PATENT FOR FRAUD PROTECTION BREAKTHROUGH” |
Feb 26 02:20 |
| schestowitz |
“Wilmington, Del. – Feb. 23, 2009 – Building on its commitment to protect consumers, Chase Card Services, the credit card division of JP Morgan Chase & Co. [NYSE: JPM], announced that it recently received a patent from the United States Patent Office for its breakthrough fraud prevention technology, First Watch Intelligence.” |
Feb 26 02:20 |
| schestowitz |
I can’t quote the E-mail’s body because it asks not to |
Feb 26 02:20 |
| jose |
ok |
Feb 26 02:20 |
| jose |
i understand there is a lot of “intelligence” in sw |
Feb 26 02:21 |
| jose |
but so is there in math and writing and … |
Feb 26 02:21 |
| jose |
copyright and trade secret are there still |
Feb 26 02:21 |
| jose |
well, trade secret is not there for academic stuff (which is public by definition almost).. |
Feb 26 02:22 |
| jose |
in a foss world, ibm and others will want patents |
Feb 26 02:22 |
| jose |
but i want lots of things as well |
Feb 26 02:22 |
| jose |
i would settle for a compromise if all foss was safe |
Feb 26 02:22 |
| jose |
define foss… not sure .. something close to “free software” |
Feb 26 02:23 |
| jose |
for attacking linux.. foss friendly trolls now should attack microsoft |
Feb 26 02:23 |
| jose |
btw, sorry to appear to be asleep here.. but getting back to OIN.. will they retaliate.. is this something they would do? |
Feb 26 02:24 |
| jose |
schestowitz? |
Feb 26 02:24 |
| schestowitz |
I don’t know |
Feb 26 02:24 |
| schestowitz |
It’s off topic for them to send I think |
Feb 26 02:24 |
| jose |
and what was that about “BN patents”? |
Feb 26 02:24 |
| *schestowitz multitasks with BN links |
Feb 26 02:24 |
| schestowitz |
BN patents??!!?! |
Feb 26 02:24 |
| jose |
BN? |
Feb 26 02:25 |
| jose |
boycottnovell? |
Feb 26 02:25 |
| schestowitz |
That’s like saying “catholic brother” |
Feb 26 02:25 |
| schestowitz |
*brothel |
Feb 26 02:25 |
| schestowitz |
Or rather the opposite |
Feb 26 02:25 |
| schestowitz |
Oh.. |
Feb 26 02:25 |
| schestowitz |
BM |
Feb 26 02:25 |
| jose |
ok |
Feb 26 02:25 |
| schestowitz |
Business Methods |
Feb 26 02:25 |
| jose |
so what’s bm? |
Feb 26 02:25 |
| jose |
ok |
Feb 26 02:25 |
| jose |
now i’ll go back and reread |
Feb 26 02:26 |
| schestowitz |
I need to read into the TomTom case. |
Feb 26 02:33 |
| schestowitz |
It’ll get lots of coverage in the press |
Feb 26 02:33 |
| twitter |
Software patents are either math or business methods. |
Feb 26 02:33 |
| twitter |
Machine instructions are not an invention, no matter how clever. |
Feb 26 02:33 |
| twitter |
They are particular expressions, properly covered by copyright, or they are math which always a discovery not an invention. |
Feb 26 02:34 |
| twitter |
jose, to describe this to a non technical audience you need to describe the purpose and extent of patents in the first place. That requires explaining what an invention is and why inventions are worth protecting with patents. The goal is to get people to share their inventions. |
Feb 26 02:36 |
| schestowitz |
They are listening to words like “pirates’ |
Feb 26 02:37 |
| schestowitz |
That’s not helpful |
Feb 26 02:37 |
| twitter |
Most reasonable lawyers assume that people will go on inventing things regardless of legal protection because inventions are always practical. |
Feb 26 02:37 |
| twitter |
In fact, it’s practical to keep most practical inventions to yourself. |
Feb 26 02:38 |
| jose |
twitter, patent lawyers like views of software patents i think.. well some do |
Feb 26 02:38 |
| jose |
along with math |
Feb 26 02:38 |
| jose |
i’d draw analogies to law |
Feb 26 02:39 |
| jose |
bring it to their level.. even though they are smart, but to drive the point home |
Feb 26 02:39 |
| twitter |
There’s a lot of good literature about US patents, going back to Thomas Jefferson. |
Feb 26 02:39 |
| jose |
and yet we have them around today. |
Feb 26 02:39 |
| jose |
the lawyer that was featured on groklaw in a series of postings after bilski |
Feb 26 02:41 |
| jose |
saw sw as an implementation of math and not math itself |
Feb 26 02:41 |
| jose |
that’s what he said (paraphrased) |
Feb 26 02:42 |
| schestowitz |
IP is a term that’s being used to confuse. Knowledge is privilege, not ownership. And patents are no copyrights. Different animals altogether. |
Feb 26 02:45 |
| schestowitz |
Bilski’s back to court |
Feb 26 02:45 |
| schestowitz |
They’ll try to appeal, IIRC. |
Feb 26 02:45 |
| jose |
i take it back, sw is an application of math.. point is that it’s based on ideal human created models (like math or language) |
Feb 26 02:47 |
| jose |
i want to see oin involved |
Feb 26 02:49 |
| jose |
might as well see what happens |
Feb 26 02:49 |
| jose |
lots of time and money will be saved if we can bury software patents for good |
Feb 26 02:50 |
| jose |
through more court decisions that would leave little doubt as to the boundaries |
Feb 26 02:50 |
| jose |
imagine that.. employees working on implementing the invention instead of writing about it in a patent application |
Feb 26 02:51 |
| jose |
remember: patents are meant to bring invention secrets public, but since trade secret exists, patents are used when it’s actually more beneficial.. |
Feb 26 02:52 |
| jose |
thus the best secrets are kept secret |
Feb 26 02:52 |
| jose |
and the stupid inventions are revealed and given 20 year monopolies |
Feb 26 02:53 |
| jose |
the monopoly deal (broad patents) means patent the obvious and then add your secret sauce on top. |
Feb 26 02:54 |
| jose |
worst of both worlds for society |
Feb 26 02:54 |
| schestowitz |
OIN thinks like IBM |
Feb 26 02:55 |
| jose |
probably |
Feb 26 02:55 |
| jose |
that’s why it will be very interesting |
Feb 26 02:55 |
| schestowitz |
I thought about it earlier… IBM can’t sue Microsoft for the Linux action |
Feb 26 02:55 |
| jose |
to see if they act |
Feb 26 02:55 |
| schestowitz |
IBM cross-licensed with M<S |
Feb 26 02:55 |
| schestowitz |
It’s handcuffed with its crappy sw patents |
Feb 26 02:55 |
| jose |
i’m curious |
Feb 26 02:55 |
| jose |
maybe oin will become the oin myth |
Feb 26 02:55 |
| schestowitz |
OINK. |
Feb 26 02:56 |
| schestowitz |
I made a picture of a pig that says it |
Feb 26 02:56 |
| jose |
maybe oin will fight weakly so as to sort of lose or draw or not hurt sw patents |
Feb 26 02:56 |
| jose |
would they cross-license with ms |
Feb 26 02:56 |
| jose |
ms joins oin |
Feb 26 02:56 |
| jose |
well, they want to hurt linux so maybe not |
Feb 26 02:56 |
| schestowitz |
I think MS was invited..? |
Feb 26 02:57 |
| schestowitz |
I can’t recall. |
Feb 26 02:57 |
| schestowitz |
Maybe it was something else. |
Feb 26 02:57 |
| jose |
i just realized something |
Feb 26 02:58 |
| jose |
ms saw their hand weakened from bilski no matter what |
Feb 26 02:58 |
| jose |
so they strike many deals and get some money now instead of less later |
Feb 26 02:58 |
| jose |
they create fud |
Feb 26 02:59 |
| jose |
and now they attack |
Feb 26 02:59 |
| jose |
they might think their assets are weak |
Feb 26 02:59 |
| jose |
but |
Feb 26 02:59 |
| jose |
ibm has lots to lose |
Feb 26 02:59 |
| jose |
it’s like a cat grabbing on to a stronger dog in a house going up in flames |
Feb 26 02:59 |
| jose |
the cat loses 1 of its nine lives |
Feb 26 03:00 |
| jose |
but the dog takes a much bigger hit |
Feb 26 03:00 |
| jose |
|
Feb 26 03:00 |
| jose |
|
Feb 26 03:00 |
| jose |
if ibm and company panic, they reinforce ms’ assets/fud |
Feb 26 03:00 |
| jose |
ms salvages and gains against ibm despite the bilski blow |
Feb 26 03:01 |
| jose |
btw, (twitter), software being an “implementation” of math is like saying poetry is an implementation of english grammar (not sure if analogy is spot on or off) |
Feb 26 03:02 |
| jose |
and to finish the cat/dog analogy |
Feb 26 03:03 |
| jose |
the dog might just run away and save the cat along with it while legitimizing the strength and savviness of the cat |
Feb 26 03:03 |
| jose |
i say |
Feb 26 03:04 |
| jose |
dog run |
Feb 26 03:04 |
| jose |
then eat cat |
Feb 26 03:04 |
| jose |
everyone will be happier that way |
Feb 26 03:04 |
| schestowitz |
Maybe it’s time to test Bilski |
Feb 26 03:06 |
| schestowitz |
I wonder if the suit is related to Rambus |
Feb 26 03:06 |
| schestowitz |
The timing I mean.. |
Feb 26 03:06 |
| jose |
schestowitz, when you asked me about the news, in the back of my mind (because there were several newsworthy events today) was this http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/25… |
Feb 26 03:06 |
| jose |
hmm |
Feb 26 03:07 |
| jose |
rambus was hardware and over submarining into a standard |
Feb 26 03:07 |
| jose |
anyway, “software” patents can apply to hardware |
Feb 26 03:07 |
| jose |
however, i think they should not |
Feb 26 03:07 |
| jose |
to the extent the patent is simply on the ideal modeling encoded as software, firmware, etc. |
Feb 26 03:08 |
| jose |
to attack software patents you have to deal with the “hardware is software” relationship |
Feb 26 03:08 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnLZlGu… |
Feb 26 03:08 |
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Feb 26 03:08 |
| jose |
some may want to mark the difference as “fixed” vs “soft” |
Feb 26 03:08 |
| jose |
i think bilski will allow software that controls hw as one unit, but not the sw by itself, say if run on a sw simulator or if borrowed and used in a completely different machine |
Feb 26 03:09 |
| jose |
schestowitz, the write-up on the right side of that youtube vid is interesting.. still watching the vid. |
Feb 26 03:12 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, it’s a good series |
Feb 26 03:14 |
| schestowitz |
I’m going through lots of episides |
Feb 26 03:14 |
| jose |
rupert is mentioned |
Feb 26 03:16 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, him too |
Feb 26 03:19 |
| schestowitz |
But there are better parts in this series. |
Feb 26 03:19 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkY… |
Feb 26 03:20 |
| jose |
why? |
Feb 26 03:20 |
| jose |
i don’t have time now.. i’ll leave soon. i liked part 8.. i’ll see this last one you mentioned.. but that’s it!!! |
Feb 26 03:21 |
| jose |
the wolf in the car was funny |
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Feb 26 03:24 |
| schestowitz |
Which wolf? |
Feb 26 03:28 |
| schestowitz |
I mostly listen to these videos. |
Feb 26 03:28 |
| jose |
the 40 second mark |
Feb 26 03:29 |
| jose |
onward |
Feb 26 03:29 |
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Feb 26 03:30 |
| jose |
oh, the first link was part 2 not part 8 |
Feb 26 03:31 |
| jose |
schestowitz, the uk “180″ flip.. |
Feb 26 03:35 |
| jose |
i worried they were might adopt “foss” related to microsoft |
Feb 26 03:36 |
| jose |
it’s also possible there was a fight or they got a sweet offer (saw the light) by foss advocates/companies |
Feb 26 03:36 |
| zer0c00l |
really UK is going to support foss? |
Feb 26 03:40 |
| zer0c00l |
i read it somewhere |
Feb 26 03:40 |
| zer0c00l |
schestowitz: you are in UK right? |
Feb 26 03:41 |
| jose |
http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0… |
Feb 26 03:42 |
| schestowitz |
jose: possible |
Feb 26 03:42 |
| schestowitz |
That’s why Microsoft assimiliated |
Feb 26 03:42 |
| schestowitz |
To confuse, the remove distinguishing factor |
Feb 26 03:42 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft is a nasty PR firm |
Feb 26 03:42 |
| jose |
it’s too early to get too excited |
Feb 26 03:42 |
| zer0c00l |
damn |
Feb 26 03:44 |
| zer0c00l |
sonicwall blocks boycottnovell |
Feb 26 03:45 |
| zer0c00l |
shit |
Feb 26 03:45 |
| zer0c00l |
i dont know whether the admin has did it |
Feb 26 03:45 |
| zer0c00l |
or the sonicwall has did it |
Feb 26 03:45 |
| zer0c00l |
any way if its the admin…for godsake i am gonna screw him |
Feb 26 03:46 |
| zer0c00l |
why the admins are damn bad |
Feb 26 03:47 |
| zer0c00l |
i dont know |
Feb 26 03:47 |
| zer0c00l |
i am not watchin p0rn in boycottnovell |
Feb 26 03:48 |
| zer0c00l |
schestowitz: you cannot do anything about it huh? |
Feb 26 03:49 |
| zer0c00l |
lol it says Forbidden Category “Games” |
Feb 26 03:50 |
| zer0c00l |
it blocks boycottnovell in category GAMES |
Feb 26 03:51 |
| schestowitz |
I don’t think |
Feb 26 03:52 |
| schestowitz |
Do you have a Web proxy? |
Feb 26 03:52 |
| jose |
that story quotes a ton of articles: |
Feb 26 03:52 |
| jose |
http://www.cio.gov.uk/transf… |
Feb 26 03:52 |
| jose |
>> Open Source has been one of the most significant cultural developments in IT and beyond over the last two decades: it has shown that individuals, working together over the Internet, can create products that rival and sometimes beat those of giant corporations; it has shown how giant corporations themselves, and Governments, can become more innovative, more agile and more cost-effective by building on the fruits of community work; and from its IT base t |
Feb 26 03:53 |
| jose |
he Open Source movement has given leadership to new thinking about intellectual property rights and the availability of information for re–use by others. |
Feb 26 03:53 |
| schestowitz |
BN is about Microsoft gaming the world and Novell too. |
Feb 26 03:53 |
| jose |
http://opensource.org/node/396 |
Feb 26 03:53 |
| jose |
>> As billions of bail-out dollars become trillions, it is clear that we need to be realistic about the nature and the solutions to our world-wide software crisis. Today the world spends more than $3T USD per year on systems that are largely based on vendor lock-in, not value and not free and fair competition. What is most shocking about the $3T USD number is not its sheer size alone, but the fact that fully $1T USD of that number is written off ever year |
Feb 26 03:53 |
| jose |
when people are forced to abandon their projects before putting them into production. The place to fix that problem is not in any specific piece of software (most of which has 20-30 defects per 1000 source lines of code), but in the fundamental system of competition that is responsible for ensuring that malignant software can be successfully removed in the first place. The UK Government’s decision is a strong step in the direction of properly restoring |
Feb 26 03:53 |
| jose |
the right kind of competition in the marketplace. The days of rewarding past performance, especially the performance of amassing billions of dollars based on strategic lock-in, must be put behind us. And we should treat any use of such funds for furthering vendor lock-in as extremely suspect and worthy of an immediate and full investigation. |
Feb 26 03:53 |
| jose |
ETc etc |
Feb 26 03:53 |
| zer0c00l |
schestowitz: check your mail |
Feb 26 03:54 |
| jose |
“Open Source, Open Standards and Re–Use: Government Action Plan” |
Feb 26 03:54 |
| zer0c00l |
schestowitz: i have webproxy |
Feb 26 03:54 |
| zer0c00l |
i will use it |
Feb 26 03:54 |
| jose |
“Shared Source, OOXML, and reuse Windows: Government Buyout Plan” |
Feb 26 03:55 |
| schestowitz |
zer0c00l: OK |
Feb 26 04:01 |
| zer0c00l |
schestowitz: does BN has secure connection enabled |
Feb 26 04:02 |
| zer0c00l |
? |
Feb 26 04:02 |
| zer0c00l |
by default we can bypass most of the firewalls with https connection |
Feb 26 04:02 |
| zer0c00l |
https://www.boycottnovell.com/ it shows your webfolders |
Feb 26 04:03 |
| zer0c00l |
not pages |
Feb 26 04:03 |
| zer0c00l |
can you switch it on |
Feb 26 04:03 |
| schestowitz |
I don’t think it would be secure |
Feb 26 04:07 |
| zer0c00l |
i mean it could bypass firewalls |
Feb 26 04:07 |
| schestowitz |
I can give you my Web proxy |
Feb 26 04:07 |
| zer0c00l |
thats why asked |
Feb 26 04:07 |
| zer0c00l |
most firewalls leave https connection untouched |
Feb 26 04:07 |
| zer0c00l |
ok |
Feb 26 04:08 |
| zer0c00l |
please |
Feb 26 04:08 |
| jose |
a related situation (not issue here since there is nothing “important” being passed around) is http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/attack_… |
Feb 26 04:11 |
| schestowitz |
zer0c00l: check mail |
Feb 26 04:11 |
| jose |
that ssl exploit ..if i read correctly.. just has https urls rewritten by a proxy (eg, if your network was compromised) to http urls.. |
Feb 26 04:13 |
| jose |
then when you ask for them.. |
Feb 26 04:13 |
| zer0c00l |
aah…the word proxy is blocked here |
Feb 26 04:13 |
| zer0c00l |
|
Feb 26 04:13 |
| jose |
the proxy knows you really want https and gets it.. |
Feb 26 04:13 |
| zer0c00l |
any way i am using https://www.ctunnel.com/ |
Feb 26 04:14 |
| jose |
but your browser’s defensive warning system won’t kick in and you can have man-in-middle attack if you ignore broken certificates, etc |
Feb 26 04:14 |
| jose |
i don’t know how a browser would handle an https hand-shake arising from a website you called via http |
Feb 26 04:15 |
| jose |
in any case it seems broswers can be patched to fix this and continue to warn users normally |
Feb 26 04:15 |
| jose |
it’s not a vulnerability as it is to exploit our bad habits or ignoring certificates and such.. i think |
Feb 26 04:16 |
| jose |
it’s not a vulnerability as much as it is to exploit our bad habits or ignoring certificates and such.. i think |
Feb 26 04:16 |
| jose |
whatever.. i’m tired. |
Feb 26 04:17 |
| jose |
going to bed |
Feb 26 04:17 |
| schestowitz |
Same here. |
Feb 26 04:18 |
| zer0c00l |
good night |
Feb 26 04:18 |
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Feb 26 04:20 |
| jose |
don’t do it zer0c00l .. noooooooo |
Feb 26 04:23 |
| jose |
|
Feb 26 04:23 |
| zer0c00l |
jose: just for fun |
Feb 26 04:23 |
| zer0c00l |
jose: i wont catch misuse |
Feb 26 04:24 |
| zer0c00l |
|
Feb 26 04:24 |
| zer0c00l |
*i wont misuse |
Feb 26 04:24 |
| zer0c00l |
LOL |
Feb 26 04:24 |
| jose |
i wonder which browsers have this problem.. |
Feb 26 04:25 |
| jose |
as it seems to be a browser misimplementation |
Feb 26 04:25 |
| zer0c00l |
http://www.thoughtcrime.org/software/sslstrip/ |
Feb 26 04:25 |
| jose |
gn |
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Feb 26 05:15 |
| zer0c00l |
bye |
Feb 26 05:15 |
| zer0c00l |
gn |
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Feb 26 07:01 |
| vida18 |
Microsoft sues TomTom over Linux and other patent claims. |
Feb 26 07:02 |
| vida18 |
http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microso… |
Feb 26 07:02 |
| myRicky_cn |
? |
Feb 26 07:02 |
| vida18 |
I was surprised when I learned this news. |
Feb 26 07:04 |
| vida18 |
I was surprised when I learnt this news. |
Feb 26 07:08 |
| myRicky_cn |
haha |
Feb 26 07:08 |
| vida18 |
What time is it in USA ? I am in France. |
Feb 26 07:09 |
| myRicky_cn |
i am in Beijing |
Feb 26 07:10 |
| myRicky_cn |
hehe |
Feb 26 07:10 |
| myRicky_cn |
it is 3:17 |
Feb 26 07:10 |
| vida18 |
In France, it’s 8: 17 |
Feb 26 07:10 |
| myRicky_cn |
15:18 |
Feb 26 07:11 |
| myRicky_cn |
PM |
Feb 26 07:11 |
| myRicky_cn |
and u |
Feb 26 07:11 |
| vida18 |
8:18 a.m |
Feb 26 07:12 |
| myRicky_cn |
oh my god |
Feb 26 07:14 |
| vida18 |
? |
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Feb 26 07:18 |
| myRicky_cn |
ÓÐÕÐƸµÄû£¿£¿ |
Feb 26 07:18 |
| kentma |
it really is very much time to put a stop to software patents. Interestingly, as TomTom is a European company, Netherlands based, one wonders just where MS are taking their case to? |
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Feb 26 08:15 |
| oiaohm |
http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsoft_s… let the games begin. |
Feb 26 08:15 |
| kentma |
Microsoft must be in terrible trouble to start this game, particularly in a recession. One wonders just how the EU will respond to an attack on a major employer in this way by a monopolist? |
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| MinceR |
r4wr |
Feb 26 09:32 |
| MinceR |
m$ products need to be banned in the EU |
Feb 26 09:33 |
| zoobab01 |
you need patents for that |
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Feb 26 09:55 |
| NarbeH |
Microsoft sucks … |
Feb 26 09:56 |
| oiaohm_ |
Microsoft is seaming to get a death wish. |
Feb 26 09:56 |
| NarbeH |
i am one of the persons that hates Micro$oft ….. :-s |
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Feb 26 09:58 |
| schestowitz |
Like SCO, they don’t kniow what else to do |
Feb 26 10:04 |
| schestowitz |
They approach debt/already in it and the economy makes it worse for them |
Feb 26 10:04 |
| schestowitz |
But they are suing many people who are also Microsoft customers indirectly, using intellectual monopolies that are highly notorious, esp. in the EU. |
Feb 26 10:05 |
| oiaohm_ |
World is over for MS. |
Feb 26 10:08 |
| oiaohm_ |
Funny the attack on Linux at tom tom does not contain the 200+ they claim are on the Linux kernel. |
Feb 26 10:08 |
| schestowitz |
Exactly. That too. |
Feb 26 10:09 |
| schestowitz |
TomTom uses X too |
Feb 26 10:09 |
| oiaohm_ |
The time to put up or shut up has caught up with MS. |
Feb 26 10:09 |
| schestowitz |
Supposedly about 50 patents there, said MS |
Feb 26 10:10 |
| schestowitz |
I think it’s good news if you want it to be |
Feb 26 10:10 |
| schestowitz |
This confirms that Microsoft realises it can’t compete without sabotaging others. |
Feb 26 10:10 |
| schestowitz |
It’s good for TomTom too. It gets publicity and sympathy. |
Feb 26 10:11 |
| oiaohm_ |
Now it could get bad for MS as well. |
Feb 26 10:12 |
| oiaohm_ |
Particularly if the fat patents get broken. |
Feb 26 10:12 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06drBN8nlWg&NR=1 BlueGene? |
Feb 26 10:13 |
| schestowitz |
oiaohm_: I think they try to scape those considering Android and other such consortia (OHA) |
Feb 26 10:13 |
| schestowitz |
OIN is supposed to hop in now and defend Linux by counter-suing. |
Feb 26 10:14 |
| schestowitz |
Though I doubt it would. OIN is spineless. |
Feb 26 10:14 |
| schestowitz |
And then there’s Microsoft troll, Nathan Myhrvold. He’s like ‘their’ OIN. |
Feb 26 10:15 |
| oiaohm_ |
Big thing the is there are lot more effected parties. |
Feb 26 10:17 |
| oiaohm_ |
MS could have just open a pandoras box. |
Feb 26 10:18 |
| schestowitz |
First offensive lawsuit.. not just vs Linux |
Feb 26 10:19 |
| schestowitz |
They did inititiate a suit before, but no s/w |
Feb 26 10:19 |
| schestowitz |
They used it against a mouse maker |
Feb 26 10:19 |
| oiaohm_ |
SCO case went south when more interested parites came out the wood work that SCO knew what to do with. |
Feb 26 10:21 |
| zoobab01 |
does someone has the court complain? |
Feb 26 10:21 |
| zoobab01 |
http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsoft_sues… |
Feb 26 10:23 |
| zoobab01 |
they are linked here |
Feb 26 10:24 |
| zoobab01 |
they use forum shopping syaing that people in the Western District of Washington can buy their products online |
Feb 26 10:26 |
| oiaohm_ |
The problem with what MS has done if anyone now finds priorart to the patent they can demard the patent status case is held before MS can proced. |
Feb 26 10:27 |
| oiaohm_ |
That can stall a patent case for many years. |
Feb 26 10:27 |
| schestowitz |
Big news from Finland |
Feb 26 10:27 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.tietokone.fi/uutta/… |
Feb 26 10:27 |
| zoobab01 |
Common Name Space for Long and Short Filenames |
Feb 26 10:28 |
| zoobab01 |
prior art is futile |
Feb 26 10:28 |
| schestowitz |
Someone Finnish sent me this.. “Your Finnish is nearly as good as mine, :P so nothing is lost by forwarding these directly http://www.jhs-suositukset.fi//web/guest/j… |
Feb 26 10:28 |
| zoobab01 |
argue for subject matter and go to the Supreme Court |
Feb 26 10:28 |
| schestowitz |
“They have the potential to be very interesting and I am trying to get at least a summary in English or Swedish so I can use it. However, if they are trying to delay interference from MSFTers it will be months before there is an unofficial translation to English or an official translation to Swedish.” |
Feb 26 10:29 |
| schestowitz |
“Microsoft is the next SCO Group,” said Groklaw |
Feb 26 10:31 |
| zoobab01 |
“Microsoft respects and appreciates the important role that open-source software plays in our industry and we respect and appreciate the passion and the great contribution that open-source developers make in our industry,” Gutierrez said. He said that respect and appreciation is “not inconsistent with our respect for intellectual-property rights.” |
Feb 26 10:32 |
| schestowitz |
That mug Gavin Clarke is already at it. |
Feb 26 10:33 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… |
Feb 26 10:33 |
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