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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 15th, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 3:34 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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schestowitz Get up close and personal with Microsoft: CompTIA, Martin Bean, Fraunhofer Fokus, and Other Microsoft Boosters < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/1… > Mar 15 13:42
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_Hicham_ Hi All! Mar 15 14:26
schestowitz Hey, what’s up? Mar 15 14:30
_Hicham_ I miss this channel ! Mar 15 14:31
_Hicham_ it is becoming more than a novell issue Mar 15 14:32
_Hicham_ far more bigger than that Mar 15 14:32
trmanco http://video.linuxfoundat… Mar 15 14:33
schestowitz _Hicham_: have you seen BN today? I made 3 posts Mar 15 14:34
schestowitz ACTA is an outrage Mar 15 14:34
schestowitz Novell is a sympton of a broken system, maybe the scapegoat that takes the toll because it harms Linux, which was intended to be more of a camp (GNU) that serves a grand purpose. Mar 15 14:35
schestowitz I sometimes wonder how much of a ‘GNU’ Linus is…. I mean, it’s not as though he can deny his dad was a communist. Maybe he’s just shy of certain things. Mar 15 14:35
trmanco haha, the ksplice slogam Mar 15 14:37
schestowitz trmanco: thanks, there should be about 30 Mar 15 14:37
schestowitz I’ll repost in BN Mar 15 14:37
trmanco Ksplice – Rebooting is obsolete Mar 15 14:37
schestowitz It’s raw marketing material for GNU/Linux Mar 15 14:37
trmanco the origin is the best one I’ve found Mar 15 14:37
trmanco http://video.linuxfoundation… -> here is another one Mar 15 14:39
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schestowitz Earth and you… < http://webhostedservices.com/blog… > Mar 15 14:47
trmanco hahaha -> http://video.linuxfoundation.org… Mar 15 14:51
schestowitz OK, done: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/15/pr… Mar 15 14:52
trmanco that was fast Mar 15 14:54
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schestowitz PING kentma Mar 15 14:57
schestowitz thanks, kentma Mar 15 14:58
schestowitz trmanco: thanks for the pointers. You’re helping the cause a lot. Mar 15 14:58
schestowitz The Linux Foundation did a wonderful service here because it gives fuel for advocacy. Novell did the same with Compiz. Mar 15 14:58
_Hicham_ what did Novell with Compiz? Mar 15 15:00
schestowitz It was part of making it possible. Mar 15 15:00
schestowitz One of the good things they did. Mar 15 15:00
_Hicham_ did they contribute to its code? Mar 15 15:03
schestowitz video.linuxfoundation.org is too slow Mar 15 15:04
schestowitz _Hicham_: yes Mar 15 15:04
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trmanco schestowitz, you’re welcome, yeah it got slow Mar 15 15:09
trmanco you gave them a DDoS attack :-P Mar 15 15:09
schestowitz trmanco: it times out Mar 15 15:09
schestowitz Maybe too much demand Mar 15 15:09
trmanco yeah, they tweeted the video section a while ago Mar 15 15:10
schestowitz Won’t respond now, but the main site (lf) is isolated from video subdom Mar 15 15:10
schestowitz trmanco: aah, well, sue twitter then :-) Mar 15 15:11
schestowitz Linux Foundation releases wonderful videos and the site is now down due to heavy demand. :-( Mar 15 15:11
trmanco https://twitter.com/LinuxDotCom/… Mar 15 15:13
schestowitz :-) Mar 15 15:14
schestowitz “We’re Linux”………….. anddddddddddddddddddd….. we’re down Mar 15 15:14
schestowitz http://video.linuxfoundation.org/category/vid… “Site off-line” Mar 15 15:15
schestowitz “The site is currently not available due to technical problems. Please try again later. Thank you for your understanding.” Mar 15 15:15
schestowitz it’s a good thing they put it on YouTube Mar 15 15:15
schestowitz And I got an Ogg Mar 15 15:15
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trmanco yeah,some are on youtube Mar 15 15:21
schestowitz trmanco: it’ll receive lots of publicity later. Also articles on Monday, so i’ll leave it for now…. Mar 15 15:27
trmanco ok Mar 15 15:27
schestowitz I want to post some good news to COLA Mar 15 15:27
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schestowitz PeterKraus: Do you know Greenie? A new version has just been released. http://www.greenie.sk/ Mar 15 16:02
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PeterKraus i’ve heard about it Mar 15 16:03
PeterKraus hmm Mar 15 16:05
PeterKraus £7.35 for mail redir Mar 15 16:05
PeterKraus that’s cool Mar 15 16:05
_Hicham_ what is greenie? Mar 15 16:23
_Hicham_ it is not available in english Mar 15 16:23
PeterKraus Slovak Ubuntu Mar 15 16:25
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_Hicham_ I see Mar 15 16:38
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twitter good morning, comrades!  New trick:  shift+return = non disruptive way to review the day’s IRC. Mar 15 17:15
twitter In theory, you can write DVDs with a 286.   DVD 1x is 1.321 MB/s, 8MHz ISA gives 16MB/s.  Most SCSI cards give 5 MB/s, so you can do it through that interface. Mar 15 17:15
twitter You would have to write the image first, then do a a straight burn from disk.  FreeDOS should be able to do that kind of thing.  Yes, it would be very slow. Mar 15 17:15
twitter Must resist urge to set up old 286 with freeDOS.  Have much more important and productive things to do. Mar 15 17:15
twitter I imagine k3b can get the job done with USB 1 on my 233MHz PII laptop but don’t see the need to try.  I’ve got better equipment. Mar 15 17:15
zer0c00l schestowitz:http://magesh.geexhq.com/?p=24 read the seventh line from the bottom…Microsoft always finds its way into opensource conferences Mar 15 17:15
twitter Dreamweaver dying?  Sad for their users, good for network and software freedom. Mar 15 17:15
twitter The smears are all M$ has had for a long time.  They can’t argue technicalities anymore.  They are left with, “use our inferior software at all costs or you are a Zealot.” Mar 15 17:15
twitter the “Extreme Biases” page feeds these smears, please don’t link to trash like that. Mar 15 17:15
twitter There is nothing natural about the Chicago River.  Even if it’s algae bloom, that comes from fertilizers and creates dead zones. Mar 15 17:15
twitter BN had a nice write up about M$ stinking up competitor’s conferences and the underhanded tricks it takes to get there. Mar 15 17:15
twitter the bottom line is that you can’t trust anyone from M$, no matter how friendly they are personally, their goal is your destruction. Mar 15 17:16
zer0c00l twitter: can i get that link? Mar 15 17:18
zer0c00l about the BN’s write up on M$ stinking up foss conferences Mar 15 17:19
jose google 66 pages of microsoft evil Mar 15 17:19
jose http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02… Mar 15 17:19
jose See the section titled “Microsoft on How it Deliberately Ruins Competitors’ Conferences by Attending” Mar 15 17:20
jose There may be other places that cover this, but this is the one i remember Mar 15 17:21
zer0c00l jose:thanks Mar 15 17:24
jose i link to that page every now and then Mar 15 17:25
schestowitz Just a moment Mar 15 17:26
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schestowitz zer0c00l: thanks, got it. Will post Mar 15 17:38
zer0c00l ok ;) Mar 15 17:38
schestowitz zer0c00l: they also stink up OSBC Mar 15 17:39
schestowitz So I’ll combine it Mar 15 17:39
schestowitz Gotta go in a minute Mar 15 17:39
zer0c00l ok Mar 15 17:39
schestowitz jose: yes, I always link to this Mar 15 17:39
schestowitz Micosoft admits crashing events Mar 15 17:39
schestowitz It’ll bribe to get in and ruin it Mar 15 17:39
schestowitz The organisers need to be slammed Mar 15 17:40
schestowitz or be shown the crimes MS commits and its plan to ruin events this way Mar 15 17:40
schestowitz gtg Mar 15 17:46
zer0c00l schestowitz: please do show them the crimes Mar 15 17:47
twitter thanks, jose Mar 15 17:53
twitter the link jose provided, zer0c00l, should give pause to anyone genuinely interested in free software Mar 15 17:54
zer0c00l yeah Mar 15 17:54
zer0c00l i bookmarked it :) Mar 15 17:55
twitter that’s a good idea. Mar 15 17:55
twitter The M$ reaction to GNU/Linux at Walmart is another good indicator of the lengths that M$ will go to crush free software Mar 15 17:57
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twitter BN also did a good write up about that Mar 15 17:57
twitter and it’s recent Mar 15 17:58
zer0c00l ok Mar 15 17:58
amarsh04__ twitter, I wrote a DVD at 132 KByte/s (close to 0.1 x) a few hours ago Mar 15 18:00
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amarsh04__ source .iso was on a usb drive on a usb 1.1 port Mar 15 18:00
amarsh04__ no errors, played fine on a standalone dvd player Mar 15 18:00
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twitter cool Mar 15 18:02
Balrog_ Red Hat / Patents Mar 15 18:03
twitter Slashdot has another story on UK Internet Censorship.  http://news.slashdot.org/article.p… Mar 15 18:03
Balrog_ http://yro.slashdot.org/article… Mar 15 18:03
twitter I think it’s time to reclaim the spectrum to avoid this kind of attack.  Think civil disobedience with Open Spectrum on empty TV broadcast spectrum. Mar 15 18:04
twitter The Prometheus Project has done some work like this with community FM and they talk about Open Spectrum, but I don’t think they have gone the distance and published plans for free internet routers and mesh networking. Mar 15 18:06
twitter centralized telco must die if free press is to survive. Mar 15 18:07
_Hicham_ what about canonical developing closed source products? Mar 15 18:07
amarsh04 depends if the telco is a “common carrier” only or a “content provider” Mar 15 18:08
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jose amarsh04__, i don’t know about dvd burners but perhaps at least the one you used aggregates data for a while and then when the spinning reaches the right spot again it dumps it out at the necessary speed. if so, such a burner should never result in bad burns because of low data rate. wonder how many burners work this way. Mar 15 18:18
jose amarsh04_, i don’t know about dvd burners but perhaps at least the one you used aggregates data for a while and then when the spinning reaches the right spot again it dumps it out at the necessary speed. if so, such a burner should never result in bad burns because of low data rate. wonder how many burners work this way. Mar 15 18:18
jose lol Mar 15 18:19
jose amarsh04, i don’t know about dvd burners but perhaps at least the one you used aggregates data for a while and then when the spinning reaches the right spot again it dumps it out at the necessary speed. if so, such a burner should never result in bad burns because of low data rate. wonder how many burners work this way. Mar 15 18:19
jose schestowitz and anyone else, has this link come out on bn (from 4 days ago) http://blog.wired.com/27bstr… Mar 15 18:22
jose i get the feeling, the prior person in that post wanted to rock the boat, while maybe the person who worked (works?) at ms for a while played the laid back approach.. and maybe is mostly interested in pushing ms lockin. .. hopefully not Mar 15 18:24
twitter he he, I think this just got front paged.  http://slashdot.org/fireho… Mar 15 18:24
twitter the bridge to microsoft as an the new pork barrel Mar 15 18:25
amarsh04_ jose, I think that it was only burning from its buffer… the disk stayed spinning continuously though Mar 15 18:25
jose not sure how to read those numbers about buffer full/etc. Mar 15 18:27
jose to be clear, what i was saying would be that the drive would keep it’s buffer is accumulation mode for a while, the disk would spin, no burning would take place, the buffer would slowly fill up… Mar 15 18:28
jose then in one shot, the buffer would empty down (or part way down) once the right location on the disk came around again.. and the process would repeat. Mar 15 18:28
jose it would be interesting to test this perhaps by doing something like a cat > drive Mar 15 18:29
jose if you have a drive that works this way (assuming these exist) then you might have to modify the source to the burner software Mar 15 18:30
jose ? Mar 15 18:30
twitter bbl Mar 15 18:30
jose maybe no need to modify. can’t remember if these accept input from stdin Mar 15 18:31
zer0c00l got a lot picture evidence about how m$ cheats engineering college students..Will shortly send them Mar 15 18:32
zer0c00l they organize something called bootcamp Mar 15 18:32
zer0c00l the software molester is trying to molest education now Mar 15 18:33
zer0c00l in that boot camp they *train* (brain wash students) Mar 15 18:33
zer0c00l give them costly food and hotel suits Mar 15 18:33
zer0c00l (as bribe) Mar 15 18:34
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zer0c00l to spread evil in education Mar 15 18:34
jose pre-grease tomorrow’s gov and business leaders Mar 15 18:35
jose lots of groups try to be good to tomorrow’s leaders Mar 15 18:41
jose but the ms case doesn’t inspire confidence in me Mar 15 18:41
jose someone might try this test for recording from something slow: Mar 15 18:43
jose get an iso file, break it up into pieces, then run a (shell) script that sends each piece in a loop… Mar 15 18:44
jose have a sleep in each loop to slow down the process Mar 15 18:44
jose and send all the pieces one after the other to the stdin of say cdrecord Mar 15 18:44
jose ie, write a bash loop where on each cycle you sleep for a second and then ship off to stdin of cdrecord the next chunk of the iso Mar 15 18:45
jose this won’t work if you startup a new cdrecord process in each cycle so you have to shove the stuff into a fifo or whatever but make sure you shove it into the same running cdrecord process Mar 15 18:47
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Goblin Hello Mar 15 18:59
zer0c00l Goblin:hello Mar 15 19:00
zer0c00l :) Mar 15 19:00
Goblin just testing out the irc feature in pidgin Mar 15 19:01
Goblin not bad…. no DCC send/Recieve though Mar 15 19:02
zer0c00l oo Mar 15 19:06
_Hicham_ Goblin : did u get the transfer prompt ? Mar 15 19:07
Goblin lol Mar 15 19:09
Goblin I just did a feature on my blog saying it didnt! Mar 15 19:10
Goblin still, what about fileservers? Mar 15 19:10
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Balrog_ I’m stuck with non-unicode text again :( Mar 15 19:13
_Hicham_ Balrog : what is the software u r using? Mar 15 19:14
twitter schestowitz, this story is very interesting.  http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/… Mar 15 19:14
twitter I’m not sure I understand the interference though.  Do you have links to stories or did you get the information from email? Mar 15 19:14
Balrog_ someone sent me a pagemaker file created in windows using a proprietary font and keyboard layout Mar 15 19:14
Balrog_ the correct chars are cyrillic, but I get this: Mar 15 19:15
Balrog_ ïàðàô³ÿíàì Mar 15 19:15
twitter ick Mar 15 19:15
Balrog_ so the font is mapping cyrillic chars to those codes Mar 15 19:15
twitter tell them to send you the text Mar 15 19:15
Balrog_ Pagemaker files aren’t the problem here Mar 15 19:15
twitter from something else Mar 15 19:16
Balrog_ it’s the font. If they send me the text I will still have this problem Mar 15 19:16
Balrog_ (because they’ll be using this ‘bad’ font / keylayout) Mar 15 19:16
twitter is there anyone else in the world that uses the same, or is this person some kind of an island? Mar 15 19:17
Balrog_ the person did it on Windows Mar 15 19:17
Balrog_ :( Mar 15 19:17
Balrog_ without Unicode / UTF-8 Mar 15 19:17
twitter yeah, but can anyone else in the world share pagemaker files with them? Mar 15 19:17
Balrog_ twitter: the pagemaker files aren’t an issue Mar 15 19:18
_Hicham_ here is a cool wallpaper : http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/… Mar 15 19:18
Balrog_ the fonts are Mar 15 19:18
Balrog_ and the nonstandard mapping Mar 15 19:18
Balrog_ (or what seems to be nonstandard) Mar 15 19:18
twitter Is there anyone else in the world that has these fonts and mapping? Mar 15 19:18
Balrog_ seems related: Mar 15 19:18
Balrog_ http://www.proz.com/forum/office_applicat… Mar 15 19:18
Balrog_ they give an OOo-Basic script Mar 15 19:19
Balrog_ how to use? Mar 15 19:19
twitter simplest way, don’t use word Mar 15 19:19
Balrog_ but incomplete :( Mar 15 19:19
Balrog_ it’s not word but rather lack of unicode Mar 15 19:19
Balrog_ old software doesn’t know unicode :( Mar 15 19:20
Balrog_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP1251 looks like the problem Mar 15 19:23
Balrog_ the Windows-1251 codepage Mar 15 19:23
_Hicham_ Roy : u should write a post about unicode Mar 15 19:23
Balrog_ and there’s a decoder :) Mar 15 19:23
Balrog_ let’s see if it works. Mar 15 19:23
Balrog_ YES. Mar 15 19:24
Balrog_ :) Mar 15 19:24
Balrog_ works Mar 15 19:24
Balrog_ but it’s still a pain to convert all the text :( Mar 15 19:26
Balrog_ why can’t people just use UTF-8 ? Mar 15 19:26
jose do you want to remap? Mar 15 19:26
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Balrog_ jose: ? Mar 15 19:27
jose do you want to take the codes in the file and change them around to something else? Mar 15 19:27
Balrog_ that’s what I wanted Mar 15 19:27
Balrog_ the codes are correct, but they’re not ‘tagged’ right Mar 15 19:27
Balrog_ so the system thinks it’s ASCII when it is CP1251 Mar 15 19:28
Balrog_ and I want UTF-8 Mar 15 19:28
Balrog_ взяли looks like âçÿëè Mar 15 19:29
jose i was thinking of a quick loop program that takes each byte and compares to one table and then outputs the correct lookup value Mar 15 19:29
jose let me look up utf-8 again.. i know it’s like ascii with something extra Mar 15 19:29
Balrog_ http://2cyr.com/decode/ does it, but it’s not foss Mar 15 19:29
jose there might be a library call in python/perl/etc that does this very quickly Mar 15 19:30
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Balrog_ rather a web-app Mar 15 19:30
Balrog_ hm … ok Mar 15 19:30
jose can you just run it through the web app and copy/paste Mar 15 19:30
Balrog_ yes, but is time consuming Mar 15 19:31
jose i think mapping to utf-8 would be a little more complex than simple one-to-one char switching Mar 15 19:31
jose you have many files? Mar 15 19:31
Balrog_ let me look what exists first. Mar 15 19:31
jose time consuming in the sense of lots of copy/paste? Mar 15 19:31
Balrog_ yes, I have some, and more to come :( Mar 15 19:31
jose oh Mar 15 19:31
Balrog_ and web app time Mar 15 19:31
balzac damn I had a good night at the strip-club last night Mar 15 19:32
Balrog_ would Scribus be easy for someone used to pagemaker? Mar 15 19:32
balzac double lap-dance from two girls simultaneously Mar 15 19:32
_Hicham_ balzac : wb Mar 15 19:32
Balrog_ I want to say something but I don’t think I will :P Mar 15 19:32
balzac thick-thighed women, man-crushing thighs and small titties Mar 15 19:33
_Hicham_ balzac : :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D Mar 15 19:33
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balzac And I didn’t even pay the lap-dance fee, I bought one girl a champagne and the other a shot Mar 15 19:33
jose Balrog_, you want to map cp1251 to what (utf-8?).. maybe google shows that this func exists already from a foss lib Mar 15 19:34
Balrog_ utf-8 if possible Mar 15 19:34
Balrog_ a standard, not âçÿëè Mar 15 19:34
balzac every single dude in that strip club had to be jealous of my “pimp-force” Mar 15 19:36
_Hicham_ balzac : do u live in NYC? Mar 15 19:36
balzac yep Mar 15 19:36
balzac I’ve been to high-end clubs in manhattan, but this was the best lap-dance i’ve ever had. Mar 15 19:37
balzac The only thing better would be the champagne room service in a high-end club in manhattan. I can’t afford that yet. Mar 15 19:38
Balrog_ get a life Mar 15 19:39
balzac well, then some dude came up and farted, like a terrorist, trying to ruin my moment Mar 15 19:40
balzac I told the girls, someone farted. i know it was you or you, it was some dude who was jealous of what i had. Mar 15 19:40
balzac [I know it *wasn't*] Mar 15 19:42
amarsh04_ weird, k3b verify worked for dvd, but not for cd, both burned from iso, yet a manual verify of the burned cd’s show them to be good also Mar 15 19:42
jose Balrog_, i googled a bit but didn’t find anything. the easiest mapping i can think of would be from the cp1251 range to something in the ascii range.. Mar 15 19:42
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Balrog_ jose: I’ll use the webapp for now. :/ Mar 15 19:43
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Balrog_ would Scribus be good for someone used to Pagemaker (now obsolete)? Mar 15 19:43
jose can you tell me what keyboard keys (qwerty) get each of the cp1251 characters you want? Mar 15 19:43
_Hicham_ balzac : u should have a strong perfume in such occasions Mar 15 19:43
_Hicham_ a spray that will dissipate the bad fart Mar 15 19:43
balzac _Hicham_: I handled it with good public relations skills Mar 15 19:43
balzac I blamed it on the “terrorist” who farted Mar 15 19:44
balzac I knew it wasn’t either one of my big-legged beauties, and I knew it wasn’t me. It was a jealous man who didn’t have the guts to step up and get dissed. Mar 15 19:44
_Hicham_ the bouncers should close every asshole to prevent this Mar 15 19:45
_Hicham_ :D Mar 15 19:45
balzac They should just add it to the sign on the front door. “No Farting Allowed” Mar 15 19:46
balzac because it’s a strip club and you’ve got no business breaking wind in there why people are trying to enjoy the girls. Mar 15 19:46
balzac Then, add another sign Mar 15 19:47
jose Balrog_ was searching for scribus plugins for cp1251 but had no luck.. maybe you want to try that. i would be surprised if this problem was solved long ago Mar 15 19:47
jose was -> wasn’t Mar 15 19:47
balzac “Be an Eagle-Eyes Snitch and Get Rich” “If any man in your vicinity farts, tell the bouncer.” Mar 15 19:47
Balrog_ no, meaning for the person who’s using pagemaker Mar 15 19:47
balzac $20 reward for turning them in Mar 15 19:47
Balrog_ jose: would switching to scribus be that bad? Mar 15 19:47
jose http://www.sourcexchange.de/?page=Sho… Mar 15 19:48
balzac Then if one of the girls doesn’t like a guy, she can fart and someone will blame it on him, he’ll get thrown out. Mar 15 19:48
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jose that link i just gave shows that you only need 4 different “lookups” to map cd1251 to utf8 Mar 15 19:49
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jose public domain java function Mar 15 19:49
Balrog_ jose: not bad Mar 15 19:50
Balrog_ let me try it Mar 15 19:50
jose :-) hope it works Mar 15 19:50
jose nothing complex is going on so the license shouldn’t be an issue in any case Mar 15 19:50
Balrog_ well the webapp works Mar 15 19:51
Balrog_ it’s public domain code Mar 15 19:51
_Hicham_ balzac : I am transforming my Ubuntu into a Debian Sid Mar 15 19:51
balzac slick Mar 15 19:51
jose can you isolate the cp1251 text (no header file and other embeded stuff)? Mar 15 19:51
balzac I’ll do that with one of my Ubuntu installations Mar 15 19:51
jose if so, then you can build yourself a quick utility for future use Mar 15 19:51
Balrog_ yeah, just copy/paste Mar 15 19:52
balzac Man, was I feeling the ubuntu last night! Mar 15 19:52
jose ok Mar 15 19:52
Balrog_ all the formatting gets lost Mar 15 19:52
jose oh, you want the formatting as well, right? Mar 15 19:52
balzac Also, there’s a hot girl who wants me to put ubuntu into her computer Mar 15 19:52
jose i don’t know about pagemaker.. if you can read this then presumably it uses an open-ish format Mar 15 19:52
Balrog_ jose: nope. Mar 15 19:53
Balrog_ I have pagemaker-compatible apps Mar 15 19:53
jose not open or you don’t want formatting? Mar 15 19:53
jose ok Mar 15 19:53
jose $$ ? Mar 15 19:53
Balrog_ I don’t care about the formatting Mar 15 19:53
Balrog_ I just don’t want çàïðîøóåìî Mar 15 19:53
jose well, if you isolate all the text into a file by itself, then a simple util should work Mar 15 19:54
Balrog_ jose: I have friends who are graphics designers and give me older versions Mar 15 19:54
jose ok Mar 15 19:54
Balrog_ I don’t do new stuff in them, but they are useful in cases like this Mar 15 19:54
jose do you know java.. did you udnerstand that function? Mar 15 19:54
Balrog_ this problem comes from lack of Unicode support in the original app Mar 15 19:54
Balrog_ http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/vi… Mar 15 19:54
Balrog_ yes, I know java well enough Mar 15 19:54
Balrog_ it looks like it’s doing some sort of shifting Mar 15 19:55
jose simple app that opens stdin and reads, applies that function, spits the buffer to stdout, and ends Mar 15 19:55
Balrog_ yes. Mar 15 19:55
jose yeah, like sending code 233 to a smaller number Mar 15 19:56
jose it’s uniform mapping Mar 15 19:56
jose no lookup table because in all cases you get the result by the same subtraction Mar 15 19:56
Balrog_ yes. Mar 15 19:56
Balrog_ why can’t they just support unicode? I hope current adobe stuff supports it …. Mar 15 19:56
jose anyway, you can just copy/paste that func and compile it Mar 15 19:56
Balrog_ though I wouldn’t exactly encourage use of it Mar 15 19:57
Balrog_ I just have to write a wrapper around that func Mar 15 19:57
Balrog_ *method Mar 15 19:57
jose myconverter textfiletoconver > newfilethatisgood Mar 15 19:58
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Balrog_ yes Mar 15 19:58
Balrog_ or ‘myconverter < textfiletoconver > newfilethatisgood’ Mar 15 19:58
jose assuming you wrap the jvm call in simple one line shell script Mar 15 19:58
Balrog_ yeah … Mar 15 19:58
jose otherwise it’s: java …. whatever Mar 15 19:58
Balrog_ what about gcj in this situation? Mar 15 19:58
jose don’t use it Mar 15 19:59
Balrog_ elaborat. Mar 15 19:59
Balrog_ s/t/te Mar 15 19:59
jose i just mean that i haven’t used gcj Mar 15 19:59
Balrog_ o ok. Mar 15 19:59
jose not because it is bad .. i haven’t compiled java in a while Mar 15 19:59
jose and when i did, i’m not sure if gcj was an option i knew about Mar 15 20:00
jose i used whatever sun provided. Mar 15 20:00
Balrog_ ok. Mar 15 20:01
Balrog_ java is foss now (from sun) Mar 15 20:01
jose let me pre-empt the lecture in using foss… Mar 15 20:01
jose by saying i would only use it now if possible and would check Mar 15 20:01
jose but haven’t been coding recently Mar 15 20:01
MinceR isn’t only icedtea foss? Mar 15 20:02
MinceR or did that become the official java? Mar 15 20:02
Balrog_ no, full java is Mar 15 20:02
jose http://www.ustrem.org/en/artic… Mar 15 20:02
Balrog_ but much of the HotSpot JVM is assembly, therefore the need for IcedTea Mar 15 20:02
Balrog_ The SNMP library was still a blob last time I checked Mar 15 20:02
Balrog_ not sure if that was reimplemented as foss yet. Mar 15 20:03
jose that php code can probably be changed easily to something else (eg, perl, python, maybe bash) for those that know Mar 15 20:03
jose but php can be run from the command line so i don’t think there is a problem Mar 15 20:03
jose Balrog_, maybe the webapp you used uses that php func.. ;-) Mar 15 20:04
Balrog_ maybe Mar 15 20:05
jose that -> those Mar 15 20:05
Balrog_ but that webapp does much more than cp1251 Mar 15 20:05
schestowitz jose: yes, I’ve covered it: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/… (Department of Homeland Security ‘Poisoned’ by Microsoft; Vista 7 is Open to Hijackers Again) Mar 15 20:05
jose ah, but i said “uses” not “is entirely composed of nothing but…” Mar 15 20:05
Balrog_ yes, I know :P Mar 15 20:05
jose i’m playing around.. i should get to more serious work Mar 15 20:05
Balrog_ schestowitz: explain Mar 15 20:06
jose ok schestowitz Mar 15 20:06
jose that was news from i think 4 days back Mar 15 20:06
schestowitz zer0c00l: any details/links about these “bootcamp” bribes would be appreciated Mar 15 20:06
jose i figured you had covered it and that i missed it or just didn’t remember Mar 15 20:06
zer0c00l yeah Mar 15 20:07
zer0c00l will send you by mail shortly Mar 15 20:07
schestowitz twitter: the Finland story I have from a reliable source. OSI blog linked to it, as well as other sites. Mar 15 20:08
jose Balrog_ fyi/fwiw, i got those links by googling for “cp1251 converter” Mar 15 20:08
Balrog_ thanks Mar 15 20:08
schestowitz                         _Hicham_: _Hicham_> Roy : u should write a post about unicode Mar 15 20:10
schestowitz What about it? Mar 15 20:10
Balrog_ is there anything about unicode in that post? Mar 15 20:10
_Hicham_ Roy : Balrog is suffering from unicode compatibility Mar 15 20:11
PetoKraus in-* Mar 15 20:11
schestowitz       > balzac: “I bought one girl a champagne and the other a shot” Mar 15 20:12
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schestowitz What kind of shot? Mar 15 20:12
MinceR Headshot! Mar 15 20:12
MinceR ^_^ Mar 15 20:12
schestowitz          >”  every single dude in that strip club had to be jealous of my “pimp-force”” Mar 15 20:12
_Hicham_ balzac : where r u ? Mar 15 20:12
schestowitz You mean pimp-fu, right? Mar 15 20:12
Balrog_ (balzac: get a life) Mar 15 20:13
MinceR use the Pimp-Force, Luke! Mar 15 20:13
jose schestowitz, proprietary secret meant to induce compatibility Mar 15 20:13
jose i know it sounds wrong Mar 15 20:13
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jose turning on away mode Mar 15 20:15
schestowitz Balrog: it’s there in the post: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/12… Mar 15 20:16
PetoKraus anyway Mar 15 20:16
PetoKraus anyone of you needing a place to sleep for a night or a couple when you’ll be in the proximity of glasgow Mar 15 20:16
PetoKraus drop me an email Mar 15 20:17
Balrog_ schestowitz: where in the post? Mar 15 20:17
schestowitz _Hicham_: is unicode relevant to BN’s main theme?  For a post? Mar 15 20:17
PetoKraus since yesterday, i’ve got a free room in my flat ;) Mar 15 20:17
_Hicham_ Roy : microsoft is still enforcing its codepage Mar 15 20:18
schestowitz Balrog: the DHS part Mar 15 20:18
_Hicham_ the 1252 i think Mar 15 20:18
Balrog_ _Hicham_: enforcing? Mar 15 20:18
schestowitz Maybe we talk about different things Mar 15 20:18
schestowitz DHS also puts back doors in Windows Mar 15 20:18
schestowitz Though I don’t know the relationship between NSA and DHS Mar 15 20:18
schestowitz I imagine them and CIA/FBI are close enough Mar 15 20:18
schestowitz _Hicham_: oh, I see.. Mar 15 20:19
schestowitz _Hicham_: is it news though? Mar 15 20:19
schestowitz Was it covered elsewhere? Mar 15 20:19
Balrog_ how are they ‘enforcing’ 1252? Mar 15 20:20
_Hicham_ Roy : it is not news, but it making people’s life harder Mar 15 20:20
schestowitz The IEE is on the MSBBC’s ass. Mar 15 20:22
schestowitz They’ve just mailed me Mar 15 20:22
schestowitz No wonder the BBC is posting in BN (damage contro) Mar 15 20:22
schestowitz brb, it’s good that the BBC watchdogs take notice. Mar 15 20:24
Balrog_ BBC posting in BN? where? Mar 15 20:25
zer0c00l schestowitz: please check your email :) Mar 15 20:31
zer0c00l microsoft bribes students for designing websites using ASP.NET and silverlight http://www.goalivechallenge.co… Mar 15 20:32
*zer0c00l wonders why they are doing this in india Mar 15 20:32
*zer0c00l also wonders it only happens in india? Mar 15 20:33
Balrog_ :( Mar 15 20:33
Balrog_ there are professors at my school that push SL Mar 15 20:33
zer0c00l SL? Mar 15 20:34
Balrog_ silver light Mar 15 20:34
zer0c00l you push it back at them Mar 15 20:34
zer0c00l show them drupal or joomla Mar 15 20:34
zer0c00l or some thing more cool Mar 15 20:35
zer0c00l which is in oss Mar 15 20:35
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Balrog_ I’m using wordpress for a site right now Mar 15 20:36
Balrog_ I may switch to Drupal in the future Mar 15 20:36
zer0c00l Balrog_ :gr8 Mar 15 20:36
zer0c00l ok Mar 15 20:36
Balrog_ but the hosting plan allows for only one MySQL database :( Mar 15 20:36
zer0c00l Balrog_ : they deliberately doing this? Mar 15 20:36
zer0c00l oh free hosting? Mar 15 20:36
Balrog_ who, the school? Mar 15 20:36
Balrog_ no, it’s barebones Mar 15 20:36
zer0c00l yeah Mar 15 20:36
Balrog_ paid Mar 15 20:36
Balrog_ don’t know. these are older professors Mar 15 20:37
zer0c00l tell them that M$ is evil Mar 15 20:37
zer0c00l show them some good technology may be ajax Mar 15 20:37
zer0c00l :-) Mar 15 20:37
Balrog_ they use the excuse that it’s what employers want these days Mar 15 20:37
Balrog_ (silverlight, adobe flex, etc) Mar 15 20:37
Balrog_ idk if I told you but they teach VB.NET at this place too Mar 15 20:38
zer0c00l no employers dont want VB.NET Mar 15 20:38
zer0c00l they want people with creativity Mar 15 20:38
Balrog_ I have a friend that’s convinced that ASP.NET is the way to go Mar 15 20:38
Balrog_ considers other stuff “toys” Mar 15 20:39
zer0c00l you could learn all silverlight adobe etc etc later Mar 15 20:39
Balrog_ (well not really a friend) Mar 15 20:39
Balrog_ yeah, they also teach C# Mar 15 20:39
Balrog_ information science majors must take a year of VB.NET based programming Mar 15 20:40
zer0c00l see M$ tech will be easy to learn ,you can do anything very quickly,atlast u get nothing Mar 15 20:40
zer0c00l lol Mar 15 20:40
Balrog_ that’s what I tell him Mar 15 20:40
zer0c00l which school? Mar 15 20:40
Balrog_ (the ‘friend’) Mar 15 20:40
Balrog_ doesn’t care Mar 15 20:40
Balrog_ PM? Mar 15 20:40
zer0c00l yeah dont care about them Mar 15 20:40
Balrog_ pm is ok? Mar 15 20:40
zer0c00l pm? Mar 15 20:40
Balrog_ (private message) Mar 15 20:41
zer0c00l ok Mar 15 20:41
zer0c00l :) Mar 15 20:41
schestowitz            Balrog_> BBC posting in BN? where? Mar 15 20:42
schestowitz Balrog_> BBC posting in BN? where? Mar 15 20:43
schestowitz Balrog: Some posts (critique) Mar 15 20:43
schestowitz zer0c00l: thanks, got it. Mar 15 20:46
schestowitz it’s a lot of work Mar 15 20:46
zer0c00l :) Mar 15 20:46
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balzac That’s a pretty sweet promotional video for the Linux kernel Mar 15 21:25
MinceR http://news.slashdot.org/arti… Mar 15 21:25
balzac Luckily I’m working on some GNU-branded promotional materials. Mar 15 21:25
MinceR the corporate puppet is at it again Mar 15 21:25
balzac ACTAtorship – that’s good Mar 15 21:27
schestowitz MinceR: the robber robs some more Mar 15 21:27
schestowitz tax evasion not enough Mar 15 21:28
schestowitz They want to TAX the public. Mar 15 21:28
balzac You know who is a good help on resisting this kind of thing – George Soros with his Open Society Institute. Mar 15 21:28
schestowitz While not paying tax Mar 15 21:28
schestowitz Balrog: I don’t believe in Soros Mar 15 21:28
balzac There’s two OSIs, Open Soceity Institute and the Open Source Initiative. Mar 15 21:28
schestowitz Open Society Institute=PR Mar 15 21:28
balzac yeah, well Soros is no clown Mar 15 21:28
schestowitz It’s one of the “Get offa my friggin’ back’ orgs Mar 15 21:29
MinceR also, http://yro.slashdot.org/arti… Mar 15 21:29
MinceR is there no such thing as “public domain” for patents in the usa? Mar 15 21:29
balzac Soros funds Media Matters. They respond immediately and effectively to a lot of reich-wing propagandists. Mar 15 21:30
balzac Also, Open Society Institute is involved in something IT-related which is beneficial, but I can’t remember exactly what, off hand. Mar 15 21:31
balzac oh yeah, OSI (Soros’ OSI) is funding the EFF, IIRC. Mar 15 21:32
balzac http://www.eff.org/press/arc… Mar 15 21:33
balzac Surveillance Self-Defense was created with the support of the Open Society Institute. Mar 15 21:33
balzac http://ssd.eff.org Mar 15 21:33
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MinceR …though maybe they’ll have to threaten the bad guys with patent lawsuits to survive. Mar 15 21:34
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twitter A good article on M$ tax evasion http://crosscut.com/2008/02… Mar 15 21:42
twitter Slashdot did front page the Bridge to M$ story. Mar 15 21:43
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schestowitz “I tried Opensuse 11 for awhile and I liked it but i went back to Fedora 10 due to technical issues. However, Novell’s cosy relationship with Microsoft is another subconscious reason for my shift back to my favorite OS. In the long wrong,”  http://www.mixx.com/stories/4156186/mi… Mar 15 22:02
balzac http://www.youtube.com/watc… Mar 15 22:03
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schestowitz joy! Mar 15 22:07
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trmanco haha Mar 15 22:08
schestowitz “I still use openSUSE and have not noticed any difference between what SuSE did and where openSUSE is at present. Apart from the fact that the deal always seemed odious, no noticeable impact has surfaced.” http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story…. Mar 15 22:09
trmanco 50 Successful Open Source Projects That Are Changing Medicine: http://nursingassistantguides.com/… <- I little old, I know Mar 15 22:10
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schestowitz Balrog: idiots like them put the life of others at risk. Maybe they should just go splat and end it Mar 15 22:10
schestowitz These stunts are no Jackass ‘fun’ Mar 15 22:10
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story… “This is what a lot of companies partnering Microsoft don’t seem to get – if you put Microsoft ahead of your customers, expect your customers to leave.” Mar 15 22:11
schestowitz trmanco: thanks, got it down Mar 15 22:11
trmanco it was RT’d by Glyn Mar 15 22:11
schestowitz OK, good. Mar 15 22:12
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/1… <- I think it’s the longest I’ve ever done Mar 15 22:13
trmanco wow Mar 15 22:13
trmanco https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWee… Mar 15 22:13
schestowitz Microsoft news was dry this week. Good. Mar 15 22:15
schestowitz They have nothing going anymore (except workforce reductions, canceled products/services) Mar 15 22:15
schestowitz http://www.guardian.co.uk/enviro… (‘Biochar’ goes industrial with giant microwaves to lock carbon in charcoal) Mar 15 22:16
schestowitz Assimilation to the extreme: Dalai Lama warns of Tibetan culture’s ‘extinction’ < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2… > Mar 15 22:17
balzac If the Chinese government is going to claim that Tibet is part of China, and Tibetans are actually Chinese, then Hu Jintao should be wearing a big yellow Tibetan Lama’s hat. Mar 15 22:19
schestowitz Microsoft news for past week: 430 excl. the dupes Mar 15 22:19
schestowitz News about “Windows 7″: 15 Mar 15 22:19
schestowitz The non-existent program Mar 15 22:19
schestowitz I’m surveying like this every week Mar 15 22:19
balzac Google should do a Tibetan holiday theme on their logo one day. I doubt they’d have the nerve to ruffle the feathers of the Chinese government. Mar 15 22:20
schestowitz Since the business press is funded by the business they refrain from challenging the PR Mar 15 22:20
schestowitz Balrog: google has investors Mar 15 22:20
balzac s/rog/zac Mar 15 22:20
schestowitz PR is just some excuse to get people off your back to them Mar 15 22:20
schestowitz They are obliged to make tghe Chinese government happy Mar 15 22:21
schestowitz The investors decide Mar 15 22:21
balzac not sure if that’s the right syntax because I actually don’t use awk and sed yet Mar 15 22:21
schestowitz Shareholder vote with wallet Mar 15 22:21
balzac damned share-holders Mar 15 22:21
schestowitz There is no account for ethics in this framework of busienss. Mar 15 22:21
balzac I wish Bernie Madoff had lost their money Mar 15 22:21
schestowitz :-) Mar 15 22:21
schestowitz Would be better had he not been born Mar 15 22:21
balzac come on now. don’t you think that’s a bit harsh? Mar 15 22:22
schestowitz Reports: Microsoft Cripples Windows 7 Starter Edition in Hopes of Netbook Upgrades < http://www.dailytech.com/Reports+Micros… >. I think I covered this Mar 15 22:22
balzac Bernie was generous with everyone else’s money Mar 15 22:22
schestowitz balzac: no, ot harsh at all Mar 15 22:22
balzac he was like Santa Claus, but then he made a miscalculation and now he’s treated like the devil. Mar 15 22:22
schestowitz Vista news: 4 Mar 15 22:23
schestowitz So here is how it goes Mar 15 22:23
schestowitz In one week, the non-existent product got 4 times more publicity than the flagship product Mar 15 22:23
schestowitz That’s vapourware tactics. Model example. Mar 15 22:23
schestowitz Think 7 Mar 15 22:24
schestowitz Think promises Mar 15 22:24
schestowitz It WILL be great Mar 15 22:24
schestowitz WILL=MIGHT Mar 15 22:24
schestowitz Forget Vista Mar 15 22:24
Balrog_ “iPhone 3.0 Copy and Paste Described” Mar 15 22:24
schestowitz I.e. forget about what we offer Mar 15 22:24
Balrog_ http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/1… Mar 15 22:24
Balrog_ still a rumor Mar 15 22:24
MinceR wow, maybe the jesusPhone 4.0 in 2012 will have the functionality a real smartphone had years ago! Mar 15 22:26
MinceR crApple — yesterday’s technology at tomorrow’s price. Mar 15 22:26
Balrog_ a real smartphone <<< stable? Mar 15 22:26
Balrog_ capacitive touchscreen or crappy resistive? Mar 15 22:26
schestowitz MinceR: did we tell you it shiiiiiny? Mar 15 22:27
MinceR oh, i know Mar 15 22:27
MinceR so many sprinkles on a piece of turd. Mar 15 22:27
schestowitz But it hard a sharp issue Mar 15 22:27
schestowitz The first iteration.. Mar 15 22:28
balzac bbiab Mar 15 22:28
schestowitz People’s iPhone got worn off and broken apart even in gym bags Mar 15 22:28
schestowitz It just broke to small pieces over time Mar 15 22:28
schestowitz Maybe they changed manufacturers in G3 Mar 15 22:28
schestowitz But anyway, when you buy it, it’s shiny Mar 15 22:28
Balrog_ you mean the apple logo? Mar 15 22:28
schestowitz Balrog: I think the screen Mar 15 22:29
schestowitz It was published in some places at the time Mar 15 22:29
schestowitz I’m quite indifferent when it comes to phones Mar 15 22:29
Balrog_ hm. I didn’t hear too much about it, but it *is* glass :) Mar 15 22:29
Balrog_ and yes, I do see broken ones on occasion Mar 15 22:29
Balrog_ one nasty thing about the first-gen iphone is that to fix broken glass, you need a whole new new screen assembly (including LCD panel) Mar 15 22:30
Balrog_ expensive :( Mar 15 22:30
Balrog_ the never ones have a two-part touchscreen and LCD Mar 15 22:30
Balrog_ I wonder how the android is…? Mar 15 22:30
Balrog_ (I’ve disassembled the 1st-gen iphone) Mar 15 22:32
MinceR “the android” is an OS, not a device Mar 15 22:33
Balrog_ err, T-Mobile G1 Mar 15 22:33
Balrog_ sorry :( Mar 15 22:33
schestowitz G1 is fugly, IMHO Mar 15 22:35
schestowitz But it’s useful for the user… kb and all Mar 15 22:35
Balrog_ yeah, if you like keyboards :P Mar 15 22:36
Balrog_ I don’t think keyboards are always a good idea: many moving parts, high relative chance of failure Mar 15 22:36
schestowitz Yo MinceR, check out what your buddy sez: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-so… Mar 15 22:37
schestowitz And he’s poisoning others (Asay) Mar 15 22:37
schestowitz Balrog: let’s use a notepad instead. Fire is the worst enemy :-) Mar 15 22:38
MinceR he’s not my buddy Mar 15 22:38
Balrog_ heh, a notepad :) Mar 15 22:38
schestowitz Balrog: a bit sour grapey, no? Mar 15 22:38
Balrog_ schestowitz: about? Mar 15 22:38
schestowitz Why have a kb on my PC? Mar 15 22:38
schestowitz I can have on-screen keyboard to mouse over Mar 15 22:38
schestowitz Fewer moving parts Mar 15 22:38
Balrog_ because I have five fingers, and the size is right Mar 15 22:38
schestowitz Less risk spilling tea on it ;-) Mar 15 22:38
Balrog_ with portable devices, you lose a lot of the benefit of a full-size keyboard Mar 15 22:39
Balrog_ (no touch typing possible) Mar 15 22:39
schestowitz You can still connect them Mar 15 22:39
MinceR Balrog_: and i still keep a lot of them Mar 15 22:39
schestowitz Does iphone have peripherals like kb? Mar 15 22:39
Balrog_ yes, that should be possible, definitely Mar 15 22:39
schestowitz But is there? Mar 15 22:39
MinceR a peripheral is a lot less handy there Mar 15 22:39
Balrog_ the only peripherals I know of is a TTY device for blind people Mar 15 22:40
schestowitz My 8 yo palm had it Mar 15 22:40
MinceR a clip-on thumbboard might work but i doubt they make those for the jesusPhone Mar 15 22:40
schestowitz Balrog: what would be the point? Mar 15 22:40
Balrog_ well, the iphone doesn’t have a ‘word processor’ app Mar 15 22:40
schestowitz They can’t see if it’s shiny Mar 15 22:40
schestowitz They might as well get a cheaper phone Mar 15 22:40
Balrog_ err not blink Mar 15 22:40
Balrog_ blind * Mar 15 22:40
Balrog_ deaf Mar 15 22:40
schestowitz Ah Mar 15 22:40
Balrog_ typing without thinking :P Mar 15 22:40
schestowitz Why was opy and paste removed? Mar 15 22:41
schestowitz OpenClip? Mar 15 22:41
schestowitz Security reasons? Mar 15 22:41
schestowitz ‘Security’ Mar 15 22:41
Balrog_ yes. to implement it, it was writing in a different app’s sandbox. Mar 15 22:41
Balrog_ you can’t do that on any platform with sandboxes Mar 15 22:41
schestowitz With iPhone, ‘Security’ Is Code for ‘Control’ < http://www.schneier.com/essay-204.html > Mar 15 22:42
Balrog_ (sandbox is supposed to be restricted to one app) Mar 15 22:42
schestowitz :-) Mar 15 22:42
schestowitz Welcome back single-tasking :-) Mar 15 22:42
Balrog_ on ANY platform :O Mar 15 22:42
MinceR i hated palmos 5 precisely because it had no multitasking Mar 15 22:42
Balrog_ there *should* be global storage though Mar 15 22:42
MinceR (except for really ugly interrupt-driven hacks not many apps did) Mar 15 22:43
Balrog_ oh, the iphone is perfectly capable of multitasking Mar 15 22:43
Balrog_ Apple’s own software does it Mar 15 22:43
MinceR it just won’t do it for you Mar 15 22:43
MinceR because you’re not cool enough to be worthy Mar 15 22:43
Balrog_ but multitasking can be terrible for battery life Mar 15 22:43
MinceR and not being able to multitask can be terrible for achieving what i need to do Mar 15 22:43
Balrog_ if I have terminal (with four shell sessions) open in the background, the battery drains at an increased rate Mar 15 22:44
schestowitz The Dennis Byron troll is at it again, peddling the Vole… “On February 26, some organization called Wikileaks (just what you think it means)..” Mar 15 22:44
MinceR i wonder whether functionality or battery life is more important Mar 15 22:44
MinceR decisions, decisions Mar 15 22:44
Balrog_ well, users don’t like phantom apps that reduce battery life without telling them Mar 15 22:44
MinceR hm, when did those “phantom apps” appear? Mar 15 22:44
Balrog_ something need to be done to show users how much battery life will they use Mar 15 22:44
schestowitz Balrog: I doubt it affects battery Mar 15 22:44
schestowitz It just used more RAM Mar 15 22:44
Balrog_ phantom apps are those that run in the background that shouldn’t Mar 15 22:44
schestowitz If you run multiple apps Mar 15 22:44
schestowitz You do a normal round-robin Mar 15 22:45
Balrog_ schestowitz: It depends. If an app uses a daemon, it may reduce battery Mar 15 22:45
schestowitz If implemented properly it should be cheap Mar 15 22:45
Balrog_ or if it fetches data from network Mar 15 22:45
Balrog_ yes, but how will the end-user know if it’s implemented properly? Mar 15 22:45
schestowitz Balrog: let it Mar 15 22:45
schestowitz It needs it Mar 15 22:45
schestowitz If it probes network, it has reason to Mar 15 22:46
schestowitz Else, reprogram app Mar 15 22:46
MinceR or perhaps the user should care about what he’s running Mar 15 22:46
Balrog_ it has reason to. But the user needs to know that it’s probing network and that it will reduce battery life. Mar 15 22:46
Balrog_ also, apps shouldn’t ‘waste’ CPU in the background. Mar 15 22:47
Balrog_ a badly programmed one will Mar 15 22:47
Balrog_ install two or three or more apps, and how do you know which is the culprit without complicated (for typical users) tracking? Mar 15 22:48
MinceR the device should do what i want it to do, not what some marketers in Cupertino decided what a complete idiot could cope with. Mar 15 22:49
MinceR if i wanted a device idiots can handle, i’d have bought the cheapest, dumbest phone i could get a hold of. Mar 15 22:49
Balrog_ yes, it should. But they don’t want idiots calling and saying “Why doesn’t this work?” Mar 15 22:49
Balrog_ what about non-technical users who aren’t idiots? Not everyone is a geek like us :P Mar 15 22:50
MinceR i’m tired of having apple fanboys tell me how great that crap they’ve paid through the nose is, when in fact it isn’t. Mar 15 22:50
Balrog_ answer that last question. what about non-technical users? Mar 15 22:50
MinceR they should aim for a device that does what they want and what they can handle Mar 15 22:53
MinceR there’s probably a wide spectrum of devices that can potentially be useful Mar 15 22:53
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schestowitz Apple Beats Microsoft to 25000 Mobile Apps  < http://www.appscout.com/2009/03/app… > Mar 15 22:55
Balrog_ well the Mac is very much like that …. software wise … at least in my experiences Mar 15 22:55
schestowitz Is that a good measure of much? It’s not as though people use many apps? Mar 15 22:55
Balrog_ that shows that the app store gives the opportunity to independent developers Mar 15 22:56
schestowitz Mark “Harvey Mudd College” as polluted by Microsoft interests: http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2009/03… Mar 15 22:57
Balrog_ schestowitz: I believe the community figured out how to unbrick those phones that got bricked. Mar 15 22:58
Balrog_ and all updates will erase unauthorized software, because they just overwrite the system partition Mar 15 22:58
Balrog_ (on the iphone) Mar 15 22:59
schestowitz This is dumb: hey, Microsoft’s stock in in the toilet, but “it makes me feel younger” :: Microsoft stock brings back that old feeling < http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht… > Mar 15 23:00
schestowitz Balrog: :-)) Don’t get me started in bricking Mar 15 23:00
schestowitz Those phones are merely rented, let’s face it Mar 15 23:00
schestowitz The illusion of ownership, just like win32 Mar 15 23:00
balzac Roy, do you think you might have a word with Mark Shuttleworth and ask him to have his ops let me back into #ubuntu? Mar 15 23:00
balzac I know he has commented on your blog before. Mar 15 23:00
schestowitz Holy batman! Watch this spin: http://www.mxlogic.com/security… http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/249156/con… Mar 15 23:01
schestowitz Microsoft sloppiness attacks Windows Mar 15 23:01
schestowitz And the press portrays Microsoft as the white knight, a hero Mar 15 23:02
schestowitz Go, go Microsoft! Beat those people who exploit your bad engineering. Mar 15 23:02
MinceR yes, the mac is aimed at the lowest level of intellect that’s humanly possible Mar 15 23:02
schestowitz balzac: I won’t bother him with that Mar 15 23:02
schestowitz It’s redundant Mar 15 23:02
MinceR and i’m offended when the apple fanboys are pushing it. Mar 15 23:02
balzac Ok, I just thought I’d ask. Mar 15 23:03
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schestowitz Try yourself. Mar 15 23:03
Balrog_ heh … then I wonder why it’s widely used in scientific computing. Mar 15 23:03
Balrog_ balzac: why did you get blocked? Mar 15 23:03
balzac I complained a bit. Mar 15 23:03
balzac First it was about audio problems: ALSA restarting not re-initializing my audio. Mar 15 23:04
balzac I said “I shouldn’t have to reboot to get my audio back. That’s for windows” Mar 15 23:04
balzac Then I made the implication that people struggle for position in the repositories Mar 15 23:04
balzac I wondered aloud why certain packages were broken in the repos Mar 15 23:05
schestowitz claire.newman at canonical.com Mar 15 23:05
balzac This was in #ubuntu, and I was off-topic Mar 15 23:05
balzac so they suggested #ubuntu-offtopic Mar 15 23:05
balzac I complained about the name Mar 15 23:05
schestowitz Balrog: I think he asked about offtopic Mar 15 23:05
schestowitz beat me to it! Mar 15 23:05
schestowitz Balrog: we need bn-offtopic too Mar 15 23:06
balzac Fedora has a channel for open conversation and it’s called #fedora-social. I find “social” more inviting than “offtopic”. Mar 15 23:06
schestowitz For your stories about lap dances and such. Mar 15 23:06
balzac so then they were like, “do you have a problem”? Mar 15 23:06
balzac and said “yeah, I don’t like the name #ubuntu-offtopic. It sounds too utilitarian, and it’s named in such a way as to de-value the conversation which happens there” Mar 15 23:06
balzac anyway, they got the idea that I’m a whiner Mar 15 23:07
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balzac we hashed it out in #ubuntu-ops for a little while. I ended up banned from those three #ubuntu channels Mar 15 23:07
balzac I found myself discussing things with one of the ops in #defocus Mar 15 23:07
balzac Anyway, I didn’t take anything personally, nor did I make it personal Mar 15 23:07
schestowitz Haha. Microsoft gets what it deserves: http://community.adn.com/a… Mar 15 23:08
schestowitz Context: http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com… Mar 15 23:08
balzac So the next day I went back into #ubuntu as Dont_Tase_Me_Bro Mar 15 23:08
balzac I got re-routed to #ubuntu_ops Mar 15 23:08
balzac I said, hey this is nice, it feels as if I’ve been invited Mar 15 23:08
balzac they brought me there from #ubuntu Mar 15 23:08
schestowitz So they tased u? Mar 15 23:08
balzac but then they banned me again Mar 15 23:08
balzac essentially Mar 15 23:09
schestowitz Maybe you teased them Mar 15 23:09
balzac I think they could use a little decaf. Mar 15 23:09
Balrog_ how did they know it was you? IP? Mar 15 23:09
schestowitz Depends how you phrased your suggestion Mar 15 23:09
balzac I teased them, they tased me. Mar 15 23:09
schestowitz balzac: at least they still let you into their repos Mar 15 23:09
balzac Anyway, it was fun, and I look forward to more socializing with people from the #ubuntu crew Mar 15 23:09
MinceR don’t tase me bro! Mar 15 23:10
balzac Roy, it’s not like anyone can block anyone really Mar 15 23:10
balzac they can block my nick Mar 15 23:10
schestowitz The Giuliani Connection to the TASER Abuse Explosion < http://www.opednews.com/articles/… > Mar 15 23:10
Balrog_ change it :P Mar 15 23:10
Balrog_ change nick, name, and IP Mar 15 23:10
balzac Unless they’re going for full biometric-based security with iris-scans or finger prints, I can get in there. Mar 15 23:10
balzac But I want to be welcome under my chosen username Mar 15 23:10
schestowitz Tasers suffer design flaw, expert says < http://www.youtube.com/watc… > Mar 15 23:11
balzac I don’t want to be thought of as a troll Mar 15 23:11
balzac Roy, so I was asking about freenode policies in #defocus Mar 15 23:12
balzac I think freenode is pretty free, all things considered. But certain channels are suffering a bit too much from corporate influence. Mar 15 23:12
balzac Your channel here is on the opposite end of the spectrum, where corporate criticism is free and un-restrained. Mar 15 23:13
balzac I still want to start a free software project for camgirl websites Mar 15 23:13
balzac I think it will be allowed if the freenode admins understand that I’m serious about it Mar 15 23:14
schestowitz Dont_Tase_Me_Bro is a trollish nickname Mar 15 23:14
schestowitz When I saw it in Bn I thought it would be a troll. Mar 15 23:15
balzac Roy, it was that, but it was also amusing Mar 15 23:15
balzac I wasn’t worried about being tased by you Mar 15 23:15
schestowitz balzac: libervis is also liberal Mar 15 23:15
schestowitz It’s even anarchistic in naturer Mar 15 23:15
balzac I was using the mibbit which I’ve configured from disruptech.com to use #boycottnovell as my free software chat Mar 15 23:15
schestowitz i c…. Mar 15 23:16
balzac and I was using that as a proxy to get around my #ubuntu ban, so I ended up in here first Mar 15 23:16
schestowitz Is there a newbuntu channel? Mar 15 23:16
schestowitz Or another where you can talk to moderators? Mar 15 23:17
balzac not sure Mar 15 23:17
balzac I have to figure out irssi’s channel listing functionality Mar 15 23:17
balzac but i’m not in a hurry Mar 15 23:17
balzac anyway, the #ubuntu_op guys were pretty displeased with the ban evasion Mar 15 23:18
balzac I was not concerned Mar 15 23:18
balzac if ever freenode is configured in such a way as to prevent ban-evasion, it will no longer be freenode Mar 15 23:19
balzac what good is freedom if it isn’t excercised Mar 15 23:19
balzac anyway, it’s not a serious problem, only a bit of amusement Mar 15 23:20
balzac I think they’ll get over it and I’ll socialize my way back in Mar 15 23:20
Balrog_ can’t you do ban-evasion by changing name, nick, and IP? Mar 15 23:24
balzac sure I can Mar 15 23:25
balzac but I don’t think I should have to Mar 15 23:25
balzac I think they should drink more decaf Mar 15 23:25
balzac and change the name of #ubuntu-offtopic to #ubuntu-social Mar 15 23:25
balzac if the channel had a decent name, i never would have complained enough to get banned Mar 15 23:26
schestowitz the chgannel name had recognition Mar 15 23:28
schestowitz Quite trying to change it Mar 15 23:28
schestowitz It would rightly upset them Mar 15 23:28
schestowitz You can’t just magically change names Mar 15 23:28
balzac well, they can always point the old name to the new name Mar 15 23:28
balzac I’m not trying magic, I’m making a rational argument Mar 15 23:28
schestowitz I would change from boycottnovell to something else if Shane hadn’t started with this domain and site title Mar 15 23:29
balzac first you get scolded for chatting on the wrong subject in the support channel Mar 15 23:29
schestowitz Oftopic is fine Mar 15 23:29
balzac and lets face it, irc ops can be quite impatient with people Mar 15 23:29
schestowitz Many forums and chats in site have “off topic” areas Mar 15 23:29
schestowitz Social can be all sorts of things Mar 15 23:30
balzac so then you get sent to a channel which has a name sounding like your conversation is considered unworthy Mar 15 23:30
schestowitz Including main topic Mar 15 23:30
balzac At the very least, people who don’t immediately respond to the robo-cop demand for immediate compliance need not be swept unceremoniously away like a bit of trash on the sidewalk. Mar 15 23:32
balzac It’s the “open source” mentality of efficiency being the highest goal. It’s not social. Mar 15 23:32
balzac anyway, the problem is endemic on IRC, not a particular channel or network. Mar 15 23:34
balzac it won’t change any time soon, but count me among those who aren’t attached to keeping the status quo Mar 15 23:34
schestowitz hehe. Microsoft’s Kumo Will Only Come with Minor Tweaks < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2… > I.e. new name, no change Mar 15 23:34
schestowitz balzac: it’s debatable Mar 15 23:35
schestowitz WATCH OUT, GOogle!! Microsoft might…….. rename … AGAIN… http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic… (Microsoft considers new name for search: Kumo) Mar 15 23:36
schestowitz MS tried the same strategy in embedded. Same crap, new name… didn’t work Mar 15 23:36
schestowitz Vista->Vista7 Mar 15 23:36
schestowitz Wait and watch……. Mar 15 23:36
balzac yp Mar 15 23:37
balzac Roy, I hope you’re thinking about what to do once Novell/Microsoft become irrelevant Mar 15 23:38
balzac you’ve got a strong brand and a good readership Mar 15 23:38
balzac maybe it’s time for some co-branding to slip-stream a new brand alongside BN in order to transfer some of the brand recognition Mar 15 23:39
balzac Perhaps a brand which can exist in a commercial context some day Mar 15 23:40
balzac excuse the over-chatting. I’m using adderall today. Mar 15 23:42
MinceR adderall? Mar 15 23:42
MinceR oh. Mar 15 23:42
*MinceR looked it up on WP Mar 15 23:43
schestowitz Microsoft Impersonator Sends Fraudulent Letters, Disrupts Community “It turns out that there may be an impersonator lurking around disrupting Windows Mobile communities.” http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=p… Mar 15 23:45
schestowitz balzac: that makes sense,but Novell ain’t going just yet Mar 15 23:46
schestowitz Besides, people know BN is about more than Novell Mar 15 23:46
MinceR “windows mobile communities”? what are those? Mar 15 23:46
schestowitz In Google search they put in boycottnovell ot boycott novell like 1000 times/month Mar 15 23:46
MinceR schestowitz: even then, after m$ and novell are gone, a new name might be in order :) Mar 15 23:47
schestowitz Change=confusion and for technical reasons changing domain is parctically impossible Mar 15 23:47
schestowitz MinceR: yes, I thought that too Mar 15 23:47
balzac yeah, well maybe you can get another domain and begin to transfer some attention to it Mar 15 23:48
MinceR then again, it could be a memento of dark times Mar 15 23:48
schestowitz http://sev.prnewswire.com/computer-ele… (icrosoft Launches Wave of Local Training, Certification Events) Mar 15 23:48
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schestowitz balzac: didn’t work for GrokDoc Mar 15 23:48
schestowitz It hardly gets anyone visiting it Mar 15 23:49
schestowitz or GrokLine… it it exists Mar 15 23:49
balzac well, I’d go from BN >> schestowitz.com >> commercial endevour Mar 15 23:49
schestowitz GrokQuote? Mar 15 23:49
schestowitz balzac: no, too personal Mar 15 23:49
balzac BN >> not for profit endevour >> associated corporation Mar 15 23:49
schestowitz Microsoft has been doing dirty s* in Malta and now this: Microsoft Malta inaugurates new office < http://www.independent.com.mt/n… > Mar 15 23:50
balzac or get on some boards of existing companies, set up a consulting company Mar 15 23:51
schestowitz balzac: you think just in terms of $$ Mar 15 23:51
balzac lately, yes Mar 15 23:51
balzac but not just Mar 15 23:52
_Hicham_ roy : who doesnt think in terms of $$? Mar 15 23:52
schestowitz Some people don;t Mar 15 23:52
schestowitz Money voids trust Mar 15 23:52
schestowitz Look at the corrupted media Mar 15 23:52
schestowitz Companies like GE own it Mar 15 23:52
schestowitz I’m not even a fan of getting mail from companies Mar 15 23:52
schestowitz They just want to increase their $$ Mar 15 23:53
balzac Roy, all you have to do to make it ethical is just announce you’re shifting gears from industry watchdog to entrepreneur, then make appropriate disclosures. Mar 15 23:54
schestowitz SHILL:  Microsoft manager lists Bellevue home for $2.65M < http://seattle.blockshopper.com/news/… > Mar 15 23:54
Balrog_ schestowitz: how is you phd work going? Mar 15 23:54
schestowitz Being an arsehole pays off for Mr. bean Mar 15 23:54
Balrog_ you seem to spend so much time on BM Mar 15 23:54
Balrog_ BN* Mar 15 23:54
balzac Someone who pays as much attention as you do to avoiding conflicts of interest and unethical business practices would probably be good to have in a company. Mar 15 23:55
schestowitz Balrog: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archive… Mar 15 23:56
balzac A GNU-branded company could not get far with your run-of-the-mill businessmen. They would cheapen the GNU brand like Miguel de Icaza cheapened the Gnome brand. Mar 15 23:56
schestowitz Yuck. Caza Paza… Mar 15 23:56
schestowitz Don’t forget where he came from Mar 15 23:56
balzac Don’t judge him too harshly. He’s just a guy who lacks vision. Mar 15 23:57
balzac where? Mar 15 23:57
schestowitz It all started with him rying to get a JOB AT MICROSOFT Mar 15 23:57
Balrog_ how has it gone since then? It’s almost a year  :O Mar 15 23:57
balzac Right Mar 15 23:57
schestowitz Balrog: I finished already. The deadline is 3 months away, so I sit on it :-) Mar 15 23:57
schestowitz Campus is good. Mar 15 23:57
Balrog_ OK. So soon you’ll be out of school, with a PhD, right? Mar 15 23:57
schestowitz Yes. Mar 15 23:58
balzac Kos from dailykos.com started by seeking employment with the CIA. Then he turns out to be rather like a mole in the organized political blogging scene. Mar 15 23:58
schestowitz I’ll probably stick around, though Mar 15 23:58
schestowitz We’ll see.. Mar 15 23:58
Balrog_ good. Some trolls say otherwise :P Mar 15 23:58
balzac Same with Miguel – a bit of a mole, dragging down the scene from the inside. Mar 15 23:58
schestowitz Balrog: suspicious Mar 15 23:58
schestowitz Google’s Matt Cutts was also a spooke, IIRC Mar 15 23:58
Balrog_ that should be :( Mar 15 23:58
schestowitz Now he’s the secret engine guy dropping PR Mar 15 23:59
balzac That will be cool Mar 15 23:59
schestowitz Balrog: what do trolls say? Mar 15 23:59
balzac PhD are some nice letters to have after your name Mar 15 23:59
schestowitz If you put them there. Mar 15 23:59
schestowitz Most people I know don’t Mar 15 23:59
schestowitz It’s patronising Mar 15 23:59
balzac of course Mar 15 23:59
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