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03.18.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 17th, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 2:51 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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Balrog << quote Mar 17 17:06
schestowitz zer0c00l: thanks for mentioning us < http://arun-sag.blogspot.com/2009/… > Mar 17 17:07
zer0c00l schestowitz: :-) Mar 17 17:07
zer0c00l no problem Mar 17 17:07
Balrog iPhone 3.0 now has a standard system for finding other devices in the same area – no WiFi network needed. Automatic discovery performed over Bluetooth. No pairing. Mar 17 17:08
Balrog <<quote Mar 17 17:08
Balrog hopefully that quiets the bluetooth whiners Mar 17 17:08
Balrog iPhone OS 3.0 can talk directly to an accessory. Mar 17 17:10
Balrog << quote Mar 17 17:10
Balrog keyboards maybe??? Mar 17 17:10
Balrog Also enabling some of this over Bluetooth. “We support all the standard built-in protocols.” Mar 17 17:11
Balrog << quote Mar 17 17:11
Balrog FINALLY Mar 17 17:11
Balrog looks like the iBluetooth project got them moving :P Mar 17 17:12
Balrog “We’re taking the heart of the Maps application and making it a public API so developers can embed that map in their apps.” Mar 17 17:13
Balrog << quote Mar 17 17:13
Balrog turn-by-turn apps allowed now Mar 17 17:14
schestowitz Red Hat “defensive” patent has chilling effect < http://www.h-online.com/open/Red-Hat… > Mar 17 17:14
Balrog So I hear. (about redhat) Mar 17 17:14
schestowitz Balrog: but why promote this proprietary phone? Mar 17 17:14
schestowitz Apple already spends $0.3 billion/annum deceiving the public Mar 17 17:15
schestowitz You don’t need to help them Mar 17 17:15
Balrog advertising isn’t necessarily deceiving Mar 17 17:16
Balrog it often is, but not always Mar 17 17:16
schestowitz ext4 vs fsync, my take < http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2009/0… > Mar 17 17:21
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schestowitz Hey, harrytuttle Mar 17 17:21
schestowitz Balrog: it is Mar 17 17:21
schestowitz By definition Mar 17 17:21
schestowitz PR anyway Mar 17 17:22
Balrog you can have honest advertising Mar 17 17:22
schestowitz Example…? Mar 17 17:23
harrytuttle hello everyone Mar 17 17:23
harrytuttle what about this censorship? Mar 17 17:24
harrytuttle http://www.itexaminer.com/austral… Mar 17 17:24
schestowitz Too much for them Mar 17 17:24
harrytuttle i know it has been discussed on slashdot Mar 17 17:24
schestowitz They can’t cope with realise, so need to impose illusions Mar 17 17:24
schestowitz The Internet gets in their way. Too open… Mar 17 17:24
schestowitz Discouraging Software Patent Lawsuits < http://www.press.redhat.com/2009/03… > Mar 17 17:32
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schestowitz TechRadar Linux: Economic plight boosts Linux adoption < http://www.techradar.com/blogs/art… >. It’s a shame that IDC is the source, though. Mar 17 17:39
schestowitz A bit old but someone mailed me this: U.S. Food Reserves Tapped Out < http://cryptogon.com/?p=2716 > Mar 17 17:48
schestowitz Balrog: Friend says that “ComputerWorld is loyal to the MS party line by parroting the ‘high prices’ mantra.” http://www.computerworld.com/action/ar… . Gregg Keizer is no MS puppet, but I’ve shared many links about NPD, haven’t I? Mar 17 17:50
schestowitz “The reality is that Apple’s tend to be comparable to similarly spec’ed Dells: 2006: http://www.applematters.com/article/is… 2007: http://machinist.salon.com/feature… Mar 17 17:50
schestowitz Logical step, no? Alan Schaeffer: Alliance for the Separation of School and State < http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2009/03/14… > Mar 17 17:55
Balrog well, expect to pay for a fully-guaranteed server-class system. Mar 17 17:55
schestowitz Your money @ ‘work: Basket Case Insurer Gets $170 Billion from Taxpayers, Still Pays Huge Bonuses < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/… > Mar 17 17:55
schestowitz “What *is* different is that the hot sellers, the macbooks and macbook pros, have come burdened with DRM: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/200… It seems that either the management at Apple was steamrolled by MS, or else they forgot the demographics keeping them in business.  I know I ain’t getting one till the DRM is gone.” Mar 17 17:56
Balrog HDCP wan known there for a while. Mar 17 17:57
Balrog NO other way to get bluray support ‘legally’ (note the quotes) Mar 17 17:57
Balrog yes, there’s copy-paste in iphone OS 3.0 Mar 17 17:58
Balrog global. Mar 17 17:58
schestowitz New iPods have DRM on the headphone interface — UPDATED < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/13/ne… > Mar 17 17:58
schestowitz “Update: We did a quick test in the gadget dungeon: existing inline headphone control adapters for the iPhone and other iPods won’t work in the new Shuffle. — Rob. “ Mar 17 17:59
Balrog let’s just wait and see. Mar 17 17:59
schestowitz “Update 2: We took one apart and found a mysterious chip inside the new Shuffle’s headphones. Have no idea if it’s DRM or not — Rob. “ Mar 17 17:59
Balrog That doesn’t tell me anything about the protocol Mar 17 17:59
schestowitz Bono Blasts Illegal Downloading < http://www.antimusic.com/news/09/march/16… > Fair enough, but who needs his music anyway? Mar 17 18:01
schestowitz “The Internet and file-sharing networks like BitTorrent have shifted music promotion from the labels to the people. Increasingly, record labels are losing control over what music the masses are listening to, and according to some musicians this is is actually a good thing.” http://torrentfreak.com/bittorre… Mar 17 18:02
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schestowitz Here’s a good video: How British cops are criminalising peaceful protest < http://www.boingboing.net/20… > Mar 17 18:07
schestowitz Balrog: iPod headphones aren´t DRMed, just controlled by a proprietary chip that you have to license < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/16… > Mar 17 18:09
schestowitz Guns N’ Roses Leaker Faces 6 Months In Prison < http://www.businessinsider.com/guns-n-r… >. But inside-traders like Robert Bach stay out of jail? Mar 17 18:10
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schestowitz Last year the LF paid IDC to conduct some ‘study’ and this time it’s Novell and LF staff promotes it too: http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standards… They should instead just acknowledge that IDC is a shill-for-hire and stop feeding it. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0… Mar 17 18:15
schestowitz Darren Waters  of the MSBBS is advertising Microsoft for free again. *sigh* Mar 17 18:17
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schestowitz Nokia to fire 1,700 staff < http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… > Mar 17 18:23
schestowitz Nokia supported Microsoft DRM. Mar 17 18:23
schestowitz “Waite, who since his release in 1991 has become a human rights and police campaigner, argues that the US military should thank McKinnon for exposing security holes in its systems.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009… Mar 17 18:24
schestowitz Sam nails IDC and Novell: http://www.itwire.com/content… Mar 17 18:36
schestowitz Microsoft vapourware (5k lines of code) leads to silly sensationalist headlines: Will IE8 Be Microsoft’s Last Explorer? < http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstor… > Mar 17 18:45
schestowitz Choromium on GNU/Linux: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/200… Almost there yet? Mar 17 18:48
schestowitz “Without being told that it’s Linux, you’d never know it.)” http://the-gadgeteer.com/2009/03… Mar 17 18:49
schestowitz healthy adoption of GNU/Linux in South Africa: http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=4366 Mar 17 18:50
schestowitz BBC Botnet ‘Reckless,’ May Inspire Copycats < http://www.pcworld.com/art… >. Why is it OK for BBC and not McKinnon? Mar 17 18:51
schestowitz Reminder of the need to scrub off personal information:  Leaked Comcast User Data Found Online < http://www.pcworld.com/art… > Mar 17 18:53
schestowitz Signs of lobbying in new US Admin: Obama and HCAN Marginalize Single Payer Health Care  < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8272 > Mar 17 18:57
schestowitz Ubuntu/Canonical makes it easier to move away from brown/orangce: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ub… Mar 17 18:58
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schestowitz “PJ: The MSPL is incompatible with the GPL. Natch.” Good to know. Mar 17 19:06
schestowitz @brunomiguel: the MSPL is a licence…   to kill the GPL. Microsoft hopes to pollute the pool of FOSS and exclude the 4 freedoms Mar 17 19:13
balzac Bill Gates can’t stand GNU Mar 17 19:16
balzac Bill Gates fears one man and one man only – Richard Mathew Stallman Mar 17 19:16
schestowitz “which we disagree with” (April 2008,, Gates” Mar 17 19:16
schestowitz *”, Gates) Mar 17 19:16
schestowitz “Linux is a cult that captures the best-and-brightest kids.” Jim Gray (Microsoft Research) Mar 17 19:17
balzac Richard Matthew Stallman, the one man who can deflate Bill Gates’ ego by toppling him from his kingly perch on top of the software mountain. Mar 17 19:17
schestowitz Read the whole thing. Microsoft wants this “cult” too –> http://boycottnovell.com/w… Mar 17 19:17
schestowitz “4. Open Source Software: The use of open source keeps growing. It is not just about Linux. There are software packages available for just about every corporate need. The cost savings can be dramatic when you make smart choices.” http://www.indusbusinessjournal.com/ME2/dirm… Mar 17 19:22
schestowitz Microsoft again: “While this is incompatible with the GPL, it’s still a good licence, just with weaker copyleft provisions. ” http://community.zdnet.co.uk/b… Mar 17 19:24
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schestowitz zer0c00l: Microsoft is sort of bribing Indian officials now: http://www.expressindia.com/la… Mar 17 19:31
zer0c00l thats bad Mar 17 19:31
balzac schestowitz: that’s funny how they’re deliberately setting about to use cult-like psychology Mar 17 19:31
schestowitz “Incidentally, the government had also signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with software giant Microsoft to set up institutes for training teachers in IT. But the government is not clear as to how teachers trained in Microsoft products will be able to teach students in schools, which will use open source software. “ Mar 17 19:32
schestowitz MOU=project Marshall Mar 17 19:32
balzac RMS is only joking around with his “Church of Emacs” Mar 17 19:32
schestowitz Search BN Mar 17 19:32
schestowitz Make a complaint Mar 17 19:32
schestowitz Some cronies receive dumping offers to derail decisions and directions from IT Mar 17 19:32
zer0c00l schestowitz: the same party’s prime ministerial  candidate L.K advani published IT vison which cares about foss, but it seems like microsoft has definitely bribed officials in politics Mar 17 19:37
zer0c00l its just a u-turn Mar 17 19:37
zer0c00l conflict of interest between IT-department and Education department Mar 17 19:37
zer0c00l NIIT is microsofts puppet Mar 17 19:38
zer0c00l these politicians dont know a heck about FOSS Mar 17 19:42
zer0c00l if some thing gives them money and publicity they go beyond it Mar 17 19:42
schestowitz MSZNET is already spreading some negatives thing about it : Class war and open source < http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-s… > Mar 17 19:42
zer0c00l MOU with M$ is publicity also behind there’s lot of money involved :D Mar 17 19:43
zer0c00l so double mango with single stone :P Mar 17 19:43
zer0c00l *behind Mar 17 19:44
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schestowitz “The UK’s first national conference on open source software in local government is taking place on 1st April 2009 in Manchester.” http://www.24dash.com/news/Local_… Mar 17 19:47
schestowitz It’s predatory pricing Mar 17 19:48
schestowitz See EDGI memos on MOu Mar 17 19:48
schestowitz zer0c00l: I found more Mar 17 19:54
schestowitz http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/… Mar 17 19:54
schestowitz I’ll seam it together and come up with some remark Mar 17 19:54
zer0c00l yeah Mar 17 19:55
schestowitz Someone from Portugal has just told me that one of the big bosses from MS Portugal ‘shot’ at him. Mar 17 19:55
zer0c00l shot? Mar 17 19:55
schestowitz These incidents get common Mar 17 19:55
trmanco schestowitz, who? Mar 17 19:55
schestowitz Well, I’ll write about it later Mar 17 19:55
schestowitz “shot back” rather, I think Mar 17 19:56
schestowitz MS just can’t keep its big mouth shut anymore Mar 17 19:56
schestowitz I heard from another whose national MS CEO tried to get him sacked Mar 17 19:56
schestowitz Cornered animals and all :-) Mar 17 19:56
zer0c00l what the heck is this http://economictimes.indiatimes… Mar 17 19:56
schestowitz Microsoft is on FIRE :-) Mar 17 19:56
schestowitz BizSPARK Mar 17 19:56
zer0c00l yeah Mar 17 19:56
zer0c00l :( Mar 17 19:56
schestowitz DreamSPARK Mar 17 19:56
zer0c00l :D Mar 17 19:56
schestowitz BURN the competition Mar 17 19:56
schestowitz Spark em! Mar 17 19:57
schestowitz Spark em! Mar 17 19:57
zer0c00l LOL Mar 17 19:57
zer0c00l :D Mar 17 19:57
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trmanco I wonder why nobody is replying to me anymore Mar 17 19:59
trmanco Mar 17 19:59
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schestowitz trmanco: me neither, almost Mar 17 20:01
trmanco almost? Mar 17 20:02
schestowitz zer0c00l: http://www.mixx.com/photos/4182407/in… Mar 17 20:03
schestowitz trmanco: I post there what I post in IRC most of the time. Mar 17 20:03
zer0c00l see wotes Mar 17 20:03
zer0c00l 4? Mar 17 20:03
schestowitz I hope people share the information; if it’s read, replies don’t matter much. Mar 17 20:03
schestowitz zer0c00l: yes, I don’t know that site, but it’s not like Digg Mar 17 20:04
schestowitz Same with FSDaily Mar 17 20:04
trmanco schestowitz, I’m talking in general Mar 17 20:04
schestowitz There are some BN fans there who link sometimes Mar 17 20:04
trmanco in COLA for example Mar 17 20:04
schestowitz trmanco: where? Mar 17 20:04
schestowitz trmanco: maybe the killfiles are set? ;-) Mar 17 20:05
zer0c00l i am preparing mail on that links you gave to post them in Linux user groups Mar 17 20:05
trmanco maybe it’s the newserver Mar 17 20:05
trmanco schestowitz, I mean, people like Terry don’t have me killfilled, I think Mar 17 20:05
schestowitz Blech: http://tirania.org/blog/arc… Mar 17 20:06
schestowitz trmanco: no, I mean the trolls try to ruin the group Mar 17 20:07
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schestowitz Replying with insults Mar 17 20:07
schestowitz zer0c00l: thanks Mar 17 20:07
schestowitz trmanco: you mean you might not receive all messages? Mar 17 20:07
zer0c00l lol i stopped watching Winged creatures movie :P Mar 17 20:07
schestowitz I use Google Groups sometimes, to check troll replies for example… get a sample Mar 17 20:07
zer0c00l /me feels its a pretty serious movie Mar 17 20:08
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zer0c00l :P Mar 17 20:08
trmanco schestowitz, yes I do, but I’m have this feeling that advocates are not replying to me like they use too, maybe e need to post some advocacy like I did a couple of months ago Mar 17 20:08
trmanco I ave* Mar 17 20:09
trmanco have* Mar 17 20:09
schestowitz trmanco: maybe so. Lots of the ‘discussions’ are trolls talking to trolls or troll feeders Mar 17 20:11
trmanco yeah, I can see that too Mar 17 20:11
schestowitz Replies are not indicative of readership. Troll blogs like Beranger of LinuxHaters get many replies becausse they aggravate Mar 17 20:14
schestowitz In BN I know I do well when people don’t reply much. They usually agree when they don’r reply or add much. Since I see my Web stats, I see there’s no read/reply ratio Mar 17 20:14
schestowitz Sometime I’d get 5 times more comments on a day when pageviews are only half. Strange, but true. Mar 17 20:15
trmanco hehe Mar 17 20:15
schestowitz Like the Wikipedia Jim Hugh post Mar 17 20:15
schestowitz Or Mono stuff that gets the MS fanbois up the ceiling Mar 17 20:15
trmanco pollen is killing me :| Mar 17 20:16
schestowitz It has gotten hot here too. No pollen. Mar 17 20:17
trmanco my car is all dirty and yellow (it’s red) :-P Mar 17 20:18
trmanco just in 2 days … Mar 17 20:18
trmanco http://www.ubuntuproductivity.com/journal… Mar 17 20:24
schestowitz Gmail Outage Follows Google Docs Glitch < http://www.internetnews.com/software/article… > Mar 17 20:25
schestowitz #0000ff? Mar 17 20:25
trmanco http://news.softpedia.com/ne… Mar 17 20:25
schestowitz Or #ff0000? Mar 17 20:26
schestowitz trmanco: yes, seen it Mar 17 20:26
trmanco ah ok Mar 17 20:26
schestowitz But the trolls will ask for people to change default, just like changing diapers Mar 17 20:26
schestowitz They’ll insist that GNOME is brown. Period. Mar 17 20:26
schestowitz My 2 computers that have Ubuntu on them not only have no brown… they have KDE 3.5.9 Mar 17 20:27
trmanco http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2009/0… Mar 17 20:27
trmanco I don’t get the trolls, they are use to having a blue desktop in which you can’t change much Mar 17 20:28
trmanco what do they have to say about that? Mar 17 20:28
schestowitz Recommended: How to install Amarok 2 on Ubuntu 8.10 < http://monespaceperso.org/blog-en/200… > Mar 17 20:31
schestowitz ext4 is not out yet Mar 17 20:31
trmanco amarok is pretty advanced Mar 17 20:31
schestowitz Not quite in preinstalled mode Mar 17 20:31
schestowitz Some people experiment with it, which is GOOD Mar 17 20:32
trmanco a used 1.x something, long time ago Mar 17 20:32
schestowitz They find the bug before it’s out there Mar 17 20:32
schestowitz Unlike, say… WIndows Home Server Mar 17 20:32
trmanco I will put ext4 on my data disc… Mar 17 20:32
schestowitz kill your data… WITHOUT patch for like 8 months!! Mar 17 20:32
trmanco just have to wait until April Mar 17 20:32
trmanco that’s minimum Mar 17 20:32
schestowitz And they sell it as critically faulty.. killing DATA Mar 17 20:32
schestowitz trmanco: I still use 1.4 Mar 17 20:33
schestowitz 2.0 looks nice, but I hardly view the plater Mar 17 20:33
schestowitz *player Mar 17 20:33
trmanco pff, alpha software, they sell alpha software to the public, and then they charge for it Mar 17 20:33
schestowitz I mostly just use global accelerators and search. xmms gave me the same power. Mar 17 20:34
schestowitz trmanco: they get no volunteers otherwise. Apple’s the same. Mar 17 20:34
trmanco schestowitz, I use Audacious for music now Mar 17 20:34
trmanco complete rewrite of xmms Mar 17 20:35
schestowitz http://blogs.techrepublic.com… (How does Ubuntu’s Upstart system initialization compare with runit?) Mar 17 20:35
schestowitz trmanco: xmms is asleeep Mar 17 20:35
schestowitz I watched my xmms mailbox the other day. Very empty and dead for 2 years Mar 17 20:35
schestowitz xmms-devel Mar 17 20:35
trmanco yeah, that’s why Audacious had to come Mar 17 20:35
schestowitz Goodbye XMMS, Hello Audacious? < http://commandline.org.uk/linux/g… > Mar 17 20:36
*schestowitz still has xmms at work Mar 17 20:36
MinceR the audacious devs kept whining because audacious is considered the successor to xmms :> Mar 17 20:37
trmanco and it is Mar 17 20:37
MinceR approximately back when this article was written :> Mar 17 20:38
schestowitz Did you see the DaVinci video from the LF? Mar 17 20:38
schestowitz He uses xmms :-) Mar 17 20:39
schestowitz That video made Linux look very archaic. Let me find it Mar 17 20:39
schestowitz Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBbYdKcULj0 Mar 17 20:41
schestowitz Maybe it was submitted by Microsoft to make Linux look bad. ;-) Mar 17 20:46
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zer0c00l DaVinci code video i hate it Mar 17 20:54
zer0c00l why they made it into top 7? Mar 17 20:54
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schestowitz Paul is still pimping Mono toyz: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/revi… Mar 17 20:57
schestowitz ASUS became somewhat of a shill for Microsoft after their ‘deals’: ASUS Eee Top Fails With Linux < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?… > Mar 17 21:02
trmanco schestowitz, I know who you were talking about Mar 17 21:02
trmanco the portuguese person that got shot today by a ms employee Mar 17 21:03
trmanco :D Mar 17 21:03
balzac happy st paddy’s day Mar 17 21:04
trmanco oh right Mar 17 21:05
trmanco we don’t celebrate that here Mar 17 21:05
balzac where? Mar 17 21:05
trmanco in my country Mar 17 21:05
trmanco lol Mar 17 21:06
trmanco Balrog, I can almost get 0wN3d by Spain Mar 17 21:06
trmanco crap Mar 17 21:06
zer0c00l what is saint paddy’s day :-) ? Mar 17 21:06
trmanco balzac, I can almost get 0wN3d by Spain Mar 17 21:06
balzac in your country, yes, that much was assumed, but which country? Mar 17 21:07
balzac portugal Mar 17 21:07
*zer0c00l thinks this discussion could be made in #boycottnovell-social Mar 17 21:07
trmanco balzac, yes Mar 17 21:07
*trmanco zer0c00l has a good idea Mar 17 21:07
balzac This is a day for people of Irish descent to celebrate ourselves and god damn everyone else! Mar 17 21:08
balzac jk, that was my personal twist on it Mar 17 21:08
schestowitz The guys who loves to hate Boycott Novell has just quit Linux Mar 17 21:09
balzac feel free to join ##bawd Mar 17 21:09
MinceR there’s a #boycottnovell-social? Mar 17 21:09
balzac roy, who’s that? Mar 17 21:09
schestowitz trmanco: yes, #boycottnovell-social might as well be used Mar 17 21:10
trmanco MinceR, I don’t think so but that may come true Mar 17 21:10
balzac MinceR: it was made necessary by my inane, asinine ramblings… Mar 17 21:10
schestowitz balzac: bill beebe Mar 17 21:10
schestowitz the man who also dislikes groklaw on the face of it Mar 17 21:10
balzac well, bill beebe deserves to suffer proprietary software if he can’t stand freedom Mar 17 21:11
balzac good riddance Mar 17 21:11
balzac let him use windows millenium Mar 17 21:12
schestowitz He said bad things about RMS too Mar 17 21:13
balzac on an old gateway with a consumer-grade keyboard, with shopping, email, and help buttons linked to AOL Mar 17 21:13
schestowitz But he’s not a bad guy Mar 17 21:13
schestowitz He knows Microsoft’s crimes Mar 17 21:13
balzac let him use AOL Mar 17 21:13
balzac then forgive him not, for he knows what he does. Mar 17 21:14
balzac let him suffer windows Mar 17 21:14
*zer0c00l gonna sleep Mar 17 21:14
schestowitz balzac: I’d rather he didn’t switch Mar 17 21:15
schestowitz He uses the Beranger ‘model Mar 17 21:15
schestowitz And PetoKraus says that Beranger too is going back to Linux, as I anticipated Mar 17 21:16
balzac ic Mar 17 21:16
schestowitz They can go to some whore called Billg, but they always come back to momma Linux. ;-) Oh, yeahhhh… j/k Mar 17 21:16
balzac he’s throwing a tantrum and practicing self-harm (using proprietary software) to get attention. Mar 17 21:16
schestowitz He used opensuse Mar 17 21:16
schestowitz So it can be used against them Mar 17 21:17
balzac there’s a pill for that behavior Mar 17 21:17
schestowitz marcel had similar issues Mar 17 21:17
schestowitz Linux Journal editor IIRC Mar 17 21:17
schestowitz pill? Mar 17 21:17
schestowitz Pill Bebbe? Mar 17 21:17
balzac ecstasy, zanax, prozac ? Mar 17 21:17
balzac xanax Mar 17 21:17
schestowitz Yes, he knows… Mar 17 21:17
schestowitz Hold on…. Mar 17 21:18
balzac whatever works for them Mar 17 21:18
balzac It’s a build-up of angst which results in some form of acting out Mar 17 21:18
schestowitz http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2008/… Mar 17 21:19
schestowitz Since you mentioned pills Mar 17 21:20
schestowitz PCLinuxOS 2009 Not Diggworthy < http://linux-blog.org/pclinuxo… > Mar 17 21:20
balzac As the catch phrase from Mel Brooks’ Dracula goes “Give him an enema!” Mar 17 21:20
schestowitz No! Mar 17 21:21
balzac he’s jealous of your ego Mar 17 21:21
schestowitz He’s an OK guy Mar 17 21:21
schestowitz No, he’s not a bad guy Mar 17 21:21
schestowitz Trust me, he wrote some good things Mar 17 21:21
balzac have you seen that Mel Brooks movie? Mar 17 21:21
balzac it’s hilarious Mar 17 21:21
schestowitz He didn’t like the fact that I used his bad experiences with SUSE to criticise the project Mar 17 21:22
balzac “Give him an enema!” – that was the doctors perscription for anyone. Mar 17 21:22
schestowitz And PJ’s blocklist on him… Mar 17 21:22
schestowitz I was helping her with links for like 3 years Mar 17 21:22
balzac well, regardless of that, he revealed his ego-envey Mar 17 21:22
schestowitz and beebe is a no-go Mar 17 21:22
balzac envy Mar 17 21:22
balzac rather than building up his own ego, he wants to dismantle yours Mar 17 21:22
balzac which is counter-productive Mar 17 21:23
schestowitz Ask Pete Gutmann. Mar 17 21:23
schestowitz Watch the picture here: http://doctormo.wordpress.com/… Mar 17 21:24
schestowitz GNU crossed out Mar 17 21:24
schestowitz “Thank you, Mr. Stallman, we’ll take it from here…….” Mar 17 21:24
balzac checking it Mar 17 21:25
balzac It’s funny to see him throwing the “linux” brand under the bus. Mar 17 21:27
balzac Now some “Linux” people can think about how it was when they threw the GNU brand under the bus. Mar 17 21:27
balzac but he is not aware of the GNU Rennaisance which is ahead. Mar 17 21:27
balzac How short-sighted they are with these shallow re-branding campaigns. Mar 17 21:28
balzac Ambitious little suckers, aren’t they? Mar 17 21:28
balzac So eager to grab the ball out of the point-guard’s hands and hurl it into the air, only to end up with an air-ball or a turn-over. Mar 17 21:29
schestowitz GNU makes a bit of a comeback, I think Mar 17 21:31
schestowitz I started adding GNU everywhere about 1.5 years ago Mar 17 21:31
schestowitz Others did the same, for whatever reason Mar 17 21:31
balzac the release of GPLv3, which reminded people of who was still holding the reigns of the GNU chariot after 13 years. Mar 17 21:32
balzac The once and future king. Mar 17 21:32
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schestowitz “King”? Mar 17 21:33
balzac it’s humor Mar 17 21:34
schestowitz Why make icons of people? Reminds of me religious hierarchies. Mar 17 21:34
schestowitz Ah OK Mar 17 21:34
balzac Like I used the Godfather imagery Mar 17 21:34
schestowitz Well, obviously Mar 17 21:34
balzac or St Ignucias Mar 17 21:34
schestowitz But to externals it would look odd Mar 17 21:34
schestowitz Linus usually gets all sorts of ‘wankabout’ remarks Mar 17 21:34
balzac Roy, it’s ironic, like the St Ignucias shtick. Mar 17 21:34
schestowitz Balrog:  St Ignucias is humour but bad PR Mar 17 21:34
schestowitz I saw him do it for real Mar 17 21:35
schestowitz It’s quite redundant unless he speaks to the choir Mar 17 21:35
balzac As long as RMS has a sense of humor, he doesn’t need to be the one worrying about it. Mar 17 21:36
balzac My only advice for him has been to be less of a renunciate in the financial sense. Flying coach is too stressful for a guy his age who flies as much as he does. Mar 17 21:37
balzac Others can handle PR Mar 17 21:37
balzac PR meaning, interfacing with those who don’t get quite such an eccentric sense of humor Mar 17 21:38
schestowitz haha. Some people don’t understand Linux: http://juliank.wordpress.com/200… Mar 17 21:38
schestowitz Gotta watch the comments !! :-) Mar 17 21:39
schestowitz I hate “PR” Mar 17 21:39
schestowitz balzac: if Stallman flew business it would harm his status, not help him Mar 17 21:41
schestowitz What developes in South America, for example, would follow some man who lives lavishly. Forget /not/ the Jimmy Wales scandals… restaurants and all.. Mar 17 21:41
*amarsh04 still runs xmms 1 at home Mar 17 21:45
amarsh04 bmp / audacious / xmms2 … are all too resource-hungry Mar 17 21:49
MinceR gn Mar 17 21:49
schestowitz amarsh04: that’s why I used xmms too. Lean, bug free…….. some company (Coverity, IIRC) found it to be one of the most bug-free programs Mar 17 21:51
balzac Roy, I think people are too concerned with their own superficial expectations of what an activist is. Mar 17 21:53
balzac Stallman should fly business-class and anyone who has a problem with that is free to get a verbal beat-down from yours truly. Mar 17 21:53
balzac That is if Richard could be convinced, which would be no easy task. Mar 17 21:54
*amarsh04 had two drop-outs after ISP set back profile to adsl 1 1500/256 – ISP has finally agree to a loan replacement modem Mar 17 21:54
amarsh04 the ISP reported that it picked up 10 AM radio stations on my adsl line Mar 17 21:55
*amarsh04 still has to find for RMS some scientific paper showing that marsupials nearly driven to extinction by feral cats and foxes actually reduce fuel load and bushfire risk Mar 17 21:56
amarsh04 poteroos and bandicoots help mulch the dead leaves/branches – RMS commented about the recent .au bushfires in his blog and I emailed him Mar 17 21:58
trmanco http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2009/… Mar 17 21:59
amarsh04 unfortunately, there are no requirements for our telephone lines to behave as twisted pairs instead of radio antennae Mar 17 21:59
schestowitz amarsh04: he spends a lot of time on areas other than s/w now. Maybe he always had. Mar 17 21:59
amarsh04 he’s a very brilliant mathematician schestowitz… the founder of the Warrawong wildlife sanctuary where they have native animals and plants leading to reduced fire hazard was founded by a guy with a Phd in mathematics Mar 17 22:01
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schestowitz amarsh04: RMS is a physicist/biologist, IIRC Mar 17 22:02
schestowitz I’m in medical biophysics Mar 17 22:02
amarsh04 ah right schestowitz… my mum was a zoologist (met David Attenborough once) and dad was a microbiologist Mar 17 22:05
schestowitz Crickey. Mar 17 22:06
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amarsh04 small world in Adelaide… 2 Nobel prizes, one member of the Manhattan project, one NASA astronaut from Adelaide Uni people Mar 17 22:10
amarsh04 where did you do your thesis, schestowitz? Mar 17 22:13
schestowitz Manchester Mar 17 22:17
amarsh04 ah right Mar 17 22:18
*amarsh04 must get some sleep Mar 17 22:21
schestowitz at 7am? Mar 17 22:23
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Guest79105 hi all Mar 17 22:46
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trmanco hello Mar 17 22:48
schestowitz Hi, Guest79105 Mar 17 22:49
Guest79105 hi there Mar 17 22:49
Balrog__ hi Mar 17 22:50
Guest79105 been reading a lot of COLA stuff over the last few months… big Linux fan Mar 17 22:50
trmanco cool Mar 17 22:51
schestowitz Have you posted too? Mar 17 22:51
schestowitz Google aid COLA has about 2000 subscribers (lurkers), but that includes past people. Mar 17 22:51
Guest79105 nar usually read at work so can’t post Mar 17 22:52
*schestowitz was lurking in some forums as a teenager Mar 17 22:53
Guest79105 besides if i posted i’d only get called a liar or summat Mar 17 22:55
schestowitz That’s what the AstroTurfers are there for — to intimidate Mar 17 22:55
schestowitz The Microsoft Hooligans(TM) Mar 17 22:56
Guest79105 lol Mar 17 22:56
schestowitz From the FAQ: Mar 17 22:57
schestowitz 7.1 Disinformation Mar 17 22:57
schestowitz  If COLA were a physical location like a building where those who would Mar 17 22:57
schestowitz  advocate the growth of the Linux operating systems and the Linux community Mar 17 22:57
schestowitz  gather, the anti-Linux propagandists would be raiding that building. They Mar 17 22:57
schestowitz  would be vandalizing the building, painting graffiti on the walls, Mar 17 22:57
schestowitz  defecating and urinating on the floors and furniture, breaking down the Mar 17 22:57
schestowitz  doors, setting fire to the building and physically assaulting the resident Mar 17 22:57
schestowitz  Linux advocates and the visitors who happen to be in the building at the Mar 17 22:57
schestowitz  time of the raid. Mar 17 22:57
schestowitz  COLA is not a physical location, so they have had to adapt their methods Mar 17 22:57
schestowitz  so that they can do an on-line version of what was described in the prior Mar 17 22:57
schestowitz  paragraph. A key method used by anti-Linux propagandist to attack Linux, Mar 17 22:57
schestowitz  its users, sysadmins, developers, advocates and those who have come to Mar 17 22:57
schestowitz  COLA to lean about Linux. is a form of propaganda known as disinformation. Mar 17 22:57
schestowitz  One of their favorite version of disinformation is known as FUD. Mar 17 22:57
Guest79105 its done with a script your posts? not that i’m bothered… i find it useful to read up on a says linux news Mar 17 22:58
Guest79105 is it* Mar 17 22:58
Guest79105 find a lot of it interesting as i’m learning and building up linux computers Mar 17 22:59
schestowitz No, no scripts Mar 17 23:00
schestowitz That’s libel from the AstroTurfers Mar 17 23:00
schestowitz I’m surprised people would believe this Mar 17 23:00
*schestowitz posts to COLA ATM Mar 17 23:00
Guest79105 its just with so many at the same time Mar 17 23:01
schestowitz I post as quickly as I can. Mar 17 23:02
schestowitz Manually, of course. Mar 17 23:02
Guest79105 lol Mar 17 23:02
schestowitz editing in deskop 1, posting in desktop 8. I open 20 windows at a time Mar 17 23:02
Guest79105 lol cool Mar 17 23:03
schestowitz I could do more before I enabled Compiz. It doesn’t like too many open and overlapping windows Mar 17 23:03
trmanco what is ATM? Mar 17 23:03
trmanco the machine? Mar 17 23:03
Guest79105 been getting into ubuntu a lot at the moment Mar 17 23:03
trmanco :-P Mar 17 23:03
trmanco Guest79105, have you changed the look & feel? Mar 17 23:04
Guest79105 been doing assorts… ps3 myth-tv server and arcade machine Mar 17 23:04
Guest79105 lol aye… hate the brown Mar 17 23:04
schestowitz at the moment Mar 17 23:05
trmanco Guest79105, was it easy? Mar 17 23:06
Guest79105 also like mint too Mar 17 23:06
trmanco mint is refreshing (the design) Mar 17 23:06
schestowitz http://blog.shankarganesh.com/2007… Mar 17 23:06
Guest79105 yer surprised how easy it to adapt it all Mar 17 23:07
trmanco mint would be a good install for today Mar 17 23:07
trmanco cool, good to know Mar 17 23:07
Guest79105 i’m on mint now…. on a 701 eeepc Mar 17 23:07
trmanco schestowitz, look how hard it is Mar 17 23:08
trmanco 5 steps Mar 17 23:08
schestowitz no reboots? Mar 17 23:08
Guest79105 runs ok but sort of “freezes” a second sometimes Mar 17 23:08
trmanco I can do it in 2 Mar 17 23:08
schestowitz no “clusterfsck?” Mar 17 23:08
Guest79105 for mint on a 701? no Mar 17 23:08
trmanco schestowitz, I can almost bet, that if you apply a theme, you can’t go back to the original theme without breaking stuff, like icons Mar 17 23:09
Guest79105 for my workstation… yer… one cos i installed nvidia drivers Mar 17 23:09
*schestowitz uses keramik Mar 17 23:09
trmanco Guest79105, freezes? Mar 17 23:09
trmanco have you checked the cpu usage when that happens? Mar 17 23:10
Guest79105 yer sort of sticks some times loading stuff Mar 17 23:10
Guest79105 aye its at 100% according to conkey Mar 17 23:10
trmanco ahh crap Mar 17 23:10
trmanco even at idle state? Mar 17 23:10
Guest79105 its not too bad, its only celeron processor in this lol Mar 17 23:11
Guest79105 yer Mar 17 23:11
Guest79105 not sure why but its live-able so not too fussed Mar 17 23:11
Guest79105 getting a new net book tomorrow so its ok lol Mar 17 23:11
trmanco hmm, I had a similiar problem with tis once on a laptop, I disabled acpid, the acpi service and everything started working alright Mar 17 23:12
Guest79105 might give it a try Mar 17 23:12
trmanco you can always check with top what is hogging your cpu Mar 17 23:12
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trmanco I used this tool to find this problem Mar 17 23:12
trmanco that* Mar 17 23:12
trmanco wasn’t my laptop, a friends Mar 17 23:13
Guest79105 getting an aspire one tomorrow… bit more powerful Mar 17 23:13
trmanco good, don’t forget to buy the Linux version :-P Mar 17 23:14
Guest79105 lol it is, well half be Mar 17 23:16
Guest79105 possibly a 3rd Mar 17 23:16
Guest79105 not totally free of the grip windows Mar 17 23:19
trmanco have a cup of WINE Mar 17 23:20
Guest79105 tried but i use cs3 Mar 17 23:21
Guest79105 a lot Mar 17 23:21
Guest79105 so kinda need it Mar 17 23:21
trmanco yeah, WINE does not support it completely, yet Mar 17 23:23
Guest79105 aye, i use gimp a bit but use photoshop more Mar 17 23:25
trmanco Microsoft Office 2007 In Linux With WINE: https://slashdot.org/articl… Mar 17 23:27
Guest79105 also can’t get my photo printer working right yet under ubuntu… can do basic stuff but not the photos Mar 17 23:27
trmanco do you print it trough CUPS Mar 17 23:29
trmanco http://localhost:631/ Mar 17 23:29
trmanco click that link Mar 17 23:29
schestowitz Or virtualise Windows inside Linux Mar 17 23:29
schestowitz http://www.virtualbox.org/ Mar 17 23:30
trmanco yeah, that is a good option too Mar 17 23:30
Guest79105 i use cups at the mo Mar 17 23:30
Guest79105 never really got on with virtualbox or stuff like it the last time i tryed Mar 17 23:31
trmanco cya Mar 17 23:34
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