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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 18th, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 3:56 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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schestowitz US East-Doughnuts-all-day department not secure: Auditor: US SEC Needs to Improve Cybersecurity < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161421/auditor_us_… > Mar 18 15:54
schestowitz “Security” for Control: Does ‘Cyber-Security’ Mean More NSA Dragnet Surveillance? < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090… > Mar 18 16:07
Eruaran Australian police are evesdropping on cell calls, text messages and internet browsing Mar 18 16:09
schestowitz http://identi.ca is down Mar 18 16:09
schestowitz Eruaran: Internet too? No warrant? Mar 18 16:10
Eruaran Not that I know of Mar 18 16:10
Eruaran They can search your home without your knowledge as well Mar 18 16:10
schestowitz Years of struggle for freedom now down the drain Mar 18 16:10
Eruaran yes Mar 18 16:10
schestowitz Because of those “terrirists” and “pedophiles” Mar 18 16:11
Eruaran “turrists” Mar 18 16:11
schestowitz Them too sometimes Mar 18 16:11
Eruaran Saw a documentary on British citizens who ended up in Guantanamo Mar 18 16:12
Eruaran It was terrible Mar 18 16:12
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbTW6vEuM2k Mar 18 16:12
schestowitz Funny. Mar 18 16:12
Eruaran One of the British citizens the US branded as “the worst of the wost” was a guy who had been captured by the Taliban and imprisoned as a British spy. The Northern Alliance then sold him to the Americans for $7000. And the Americans put him in Guantanamo bay as an “unlawful combatant”. Mar 18 16:13
Eruaran He was tortured and questioned Mar 18 16:14
schestowitz What’s his name? Maybe I know. Mar 18 16:15
Eruaran He was there for two and a half years Mar 18 16:15
Eruaran I think I can find it Mar 18 16:15
schestowitz Identica having DB issues ATM… Mar 18 16:15
schestowitz Binyam? Mar 18 16:15
schestowitz Maybe..? Mar 18 16:15
schestowitz I don’t follow this closely, so I know nothing about who”s who. Mar 18 16:15
schestowitz RMS follows these things closely. Mar 18 16:15
Eruaran Jamal Al-Harith Mar 18 16:17
schestowitz So he was tortured to say stuff he didn’t know? Mar 18 16:18
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Eruaran they all were Mar 18 16:18
Omar87 Hi all. Mar 18 16:18
schestowitz And later they wonder why “they hate us”. Mar 18 16:18
schestowitz or “US” Mar 18 16:19
Eruaran http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J… Mar 18 16:19
schestowitz Anyway, I hope Obama shuts down the whole facility in Guantanamo bay Mar 18 16:22
Omar87 Actually, Al-Harith’s story is nothing compared to what happened with Sami Al-Hajj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami… Mar 18 16:23
*schestowitz looks Mar 18 16:23
Eruaran yes the documentary I watched covered Sami Al-Hajj as well Mar 18 16:24
Eruaran deplorable Mar 18 16:25
schestowitz There a British military commercial running on TV where they say “Enemy combatant” too Mar 18 16:25
schestowitz Obama is said to be dropping the term Mar 18 16:25
Omar87 7 years of ultimate torture, tyranny, stuff that can’t even be seen in nightmares, in a hellish prison.. Mar 18 16:25
Omar87 And in the end, they tell him: “We’re sorry for what happened to you, you were arrested by mistake..” -_- Mar 18 16:26
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W… “Both the term and the policies it denotes have been a source of ongoing controversy, as critics argue it has been used to justify unilateral preemptive war, human rights abuses and other violations of international law.” Mar 18 16:28
Eruaran The war with Eurasia must go on ! Mar 18 16:28
Eruaran Oceania will prevail… Mar 18 16:30
Eruaran (referencing Orwell’s 1984 in case anyones not sure what Im on about) Mar 18 16:31
schestowitz Kogan’s new Linux-based laptop in Aussie: http://www.itwire.com/content/vi… Mar 18 16:31
MinceR we were always at war with Eurasia. Mar 18 16:31
schestowitz Microsoft’s convoy (‘taskforce”) might already be on its way to Kogan Mar 18 16:32
schestowitz “make ya an offer you can’t refuse !!” Mar 18 16:32
Eruaran They surely will Mar 18 16:32
schestowitz “keepa your knees inna tact” Mar 18 16:33
Eruaran Kogan asked customers what they want Mar 18 16:33
Eruaran And waddayaknow, a Linux netbook appears Mar 18 16:33
Eruaran whoops… can’t have those things on the loose in Australia again… here comes The Godfather’s men Mar 18 16:34
MinceR 161117 < Balrog> much more reliable than ASP.NET :) Mar 18 16:38
MinceR wow, that’s saying a lot :> Mar 18 16:38
Eruaran From comments: “Finally a decent netbook using linux at a very attractive price in Australia!” Mar 18 16:38
MinceR 161229 < Eruaran> Anyone have a favorite IDE ? Mar 18 16:38
MinceR mine is gvim+a couple of terminal windows and sometimes konqueror :> Mar 18 16:39
Eruaran heh Mar 18 16:39
Eruaran A lot of Europeans posting on the Kogan site asking about purchases Mar 18 16:40
Omar87 Uh, I can’t imagine that there are people out who actually use SilverLight.. >< Mar 18 16:41
Omar87 out *there* who actually… Mar 18 16:41
schestowitz Superbowl and stufff.. Mar 18 16:43
schestowitz Well, tveen *they* dumped Mar 18 16:43
schestowitz it Mar 18 16:43
schestowitz IIRC< national baseball ran away from Silver Lie to Flash Mar 18 16:44
schestowitz HTML5 and FF3.5 wqill promote Ogg Mar 18 16:44
schestowitz So they can latch onto massive audience this way, Linux users included Mar 18 16:44
MinceR well, Corporate Puppet Obama probably does Mar 18 16:44
MinceR and m$ fanboys probably do Mar 18 16:44
schestowitz Same thing Mar 18 16:45
Eruaran Novell employees.. Mar 18 16:47
MinceR is html5 even allowed to promote ogg after nokia and crApple sabotaged it? Mar 18 16:47
schestowitz Presidents in the US are like Her Majesty in the UK, but they take turns (every 4/8 years) Mar 18 16:47
schestowitz MinceR: Nokia has just paid off 1700 people. Soon enough it’ll be passe Mar 18 16:47
schestowitz Apple can be dismissed on the ground that it’s arrogant and hostile towards freedom Mar 18 16:48
schestowitz Think of it this way: had Microsoft or Adobe said “no” to ogg, what would an observer think? Mar 18 16:49
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Eruaran I thought FF 3.5 was including it anyway Mar 18 16:49
schestowitz IBM Sun acquisition: Good for Unix and Linux. Bad for HP < http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner… > Mar 18 16:52
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schestowitz Eruaran: it does Mar 18 16:52
schestowitz HP is more of a puppet to Microsoft than IBM or Sun. Mar 18 16:53
schestowitz Dell moved away somewhat Mar 18 16:53
MinceR they can be dismissed, but will the w3c dismiss them? Mar 18 16:53
Eruaran Love to see HP kicked where it hurts Mar 18 16:53
schestowitz Dell market cap: 18.31B Mar 18 16:54
Eruaran In my own experiences with HP I have grown to hate them Mar 18 16:54
MinceR it should be part of the standard so if m$ dares not include it webmasters can point and say it’s _their_ fault for not following html5 Mar 18 16:54
schestowitz MinceR: 3wc is poisoned by the Vole (Chris Wilson) Mar 18 16:54
schestowitz They’ll need to detoxicate themselves first Mar 18 16:54
MinceR instead of having them say “oh, just use adobe trash, everyone has that” Mar 18 16:54
schestowitz Exactly. Mar 18 16:55
MinceR there’s a lot of detoxication that needs to be done in the field of IT Mar 18 16:55
zer0c00l http://www.cpim.org/manifesto.pdf page no 29 topic “Science and technology” Mar 18 16:55
schestowitz More Linux phones on their way: HTC Promises at Least 3 More Android Phones in ’09 < http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/HTC-Promi… > Mar 18 16:56
zer0c00l another political party releases manifesto again the importance is given to foss Mar 18 16:56
Eruaran Build it and they will come Mar 18 16:56
zer0c00l its the 3rd major party india Mar 18 16:57
zer0c00l ” Promoting free software and other such new technologies, which are Mar 18 16:57
zer0c00l free from monopoly ownership through copyrights or patents; Mar 18 16:57
zer0c00l “knowledge commons” should be promoted across disciplines, like Mar 18 16:57
zer0c00l biotechnology and drug discovery Mar 18 16:57
zer0c00l Mar 18 16:57
Eruaran Good to see Hauwei in the Open Handset Alliance… hopefully that will flow to all their stuff Mar 18 16:59
Eruaran A lot of ISP’s use their devices Mar 18 17:00
schestowitz Minister admits thought crime is on the agenda < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2… > Mar 18 17:01
MinceR lol, gutmann says samsung makes nice lcd monitors Mar 18 17:02
MinceR in my experience, 2 out of the 3 i’ve used were flawed Mar 18 17:02
MinceR not exactly what i’d call “nice” Mar 18 17:02
schestowitz MinceR: we boycott Samsung Mar 18 17:02
MinceR what did they do? Mar 18 17:02
*schestowitz glances at his Samsung stereo Mar 18 17:02
schestowitz MinceR: patent deal over Linux… with Steaty Mar 18 17:03
schestowitz *Sweaty Mar 18 17:03
MinceR (at home i have an acer lcd — the first one had a pixel flaw, but unlike samsung, there was a warranty for that so i got a replacement) Mar 18 17:03
MinceR ic Mar 18 17:03
MinceR do you have a list of such companies? Mar 18 17:03
Eruaran I find ViewSonic and BenQ monitors are good Mar 18 17:04
schestowitz MinceR: http://boycottnovell.com/compan… + Brother Mar 18 17:05
MinceR thx Mar 18 17:05
zer0c00l what is this *shared source initiative* http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sha… Mar 18 17:06
MinceR iirc they didn’t sell neither of those two with proper pixel flaw warranties here Mar 18 17:06
MinceR zer0c00l: it’s a lie Mar 18 17:06
MinceR m$’s earlier attempt at pretending they’re “open source” Mar 18 17:06
zer0c00l :P Mar 18 17:06
zer0c00l http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/ Mar 18 17:07
zer0c00l :P Mar 18 17:07
zer0c00l the page has been updated for bizspark Mar 18 17:07
zer0c00l they call bizspark as opensource Mar 18 17:07
zer0c00l :P Mar 18 17:07
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MinceR or perhaps they’re just trying to pollute the term “open source” Mar 18 17:08
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schestowitz yes Mar 18 17:08
schestowitz opne=cheap Mar 18 17:08
zer0c00l yes Mar 18 17:09
zer0c00l According to them “open source is just a development model” nothing else Mar 18 17:09
schestowitz “Microsoft is holding the third annual Open Source ISV Forum on March 23, 2009. This is a Microsoft BizSpark event, and attendees will get to meet a number of BizSpark Network Partners..” Mar 18 17:11
MinceR i think that’s the official OSI stance too Mar 18 17:11
zer0c00l gn Mar 18 17:11
MinceR gn zer0c00l Mar 18 17:11
schestowitz they make oss barf-wothy Mar 18 17:11
MinceR it might be just a development model, but it isn’t just being able to _look at_ the code Mar 18 17:11
Eruaran they are kidding themselves Mar 18 17:11
MinceR not even the OSI says it is just that Mar 18 17:12
MinceR but apparently to m$ that’s the only thing that matters Mar 18 17:12
schestowitz zer0c00l: they don’t actually called BizFIRE  open source Mar 18 17:12
schestowitz They just nonchalantly mention it and hope to create connotations Mar 18 17:12
zer0c00l yaa Mar 18 17:12
zer0c00l see the flash animation , the page is just flattering and deceptive Mar 18 17:13
schestowitz “Java Crowd Has Mixed Views on Potential Sun-IBM Deal” Mar 18 17:14
schestowitz zer0c00l: mentions and glories infiltrator Ramjo too Mar 18 17:14
schestowitz FOSS people hate him Mar 18 17:14
schestowitz But they can’t say it to his face Mar 18 17:14
zer0c00l who is ramjo? Mar 18 17:15
zer0c00l i heard that name before Mar 18 17:15
*zer0c00l looks back Mar 18 17:15
schestowitz so I assume the deal (IBM) seems to be actualising? Mar 18 17:16
schestowitz zer0c00l: ramji Mar 18 17:16
schestowitz Sam Ramji, FOSS n00b Mar 18 17:16
schestowitz Spreads GPL lies in SD Times Mar 18 17:16
zer0c00l hahaha this guy ? http://streaming.linux-magazin.de/eve… Mar 18 17:16
schestowitz has no FOSS background. Just another prick du jour from Vole.Port25 Mar 18 17:17
schestowitz Novell has its own… Mar 18 17:17
schestowitz De Icaza.NET Mar 18 17:17
schestowitz zer0c00l: yes, infiltrators.Galore.AddShill(Future) Mar 18 17:18
Eruaran Ramji is just a tool Mar 18 17:18
zer0c00l how did they allowed him inside apache con? Mar 18 17:19
Eruaran But Icaza is one of those smarmy pieces of pond scum that I just can’t stand Mar 18 17:19
zer0c00l i read that they are one of the platinum sponser Mar 18 17:19
MinceR that open source issue reminds me of at least one SMF developer being utterly clueless about the third freedom Mar 18 17:21
zer0c00l times up got internal tests :( havent touched the book yet have to wake up early :P Mar 18 17:21
zer0c00l gn Mar 18 17:21
MinceR http://www.simplemachines.org/community… Mar 18 17:21
Eruaran gtg Mar 18 17:24
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schestowitz “The P-I’s Microsoft Blog is now in the hands of @reporterAJ who will cover MSFT, as well as BA and half of the business of SeThe P-I’s Microsoft Blog is now in the hands of @reporterAJ who will cover MSFT, as well as BA and half of the business of Seattle!”   http://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/st… Mar 18 17:24
schestowitz He has just mailed me about it. Nice person. Mar 18 17:24
schestowitz zer0c00l: they paid Mar 18 17:25
schestowitz Pay=entry Mar 18 17:25
schestowitz Microsoft buys this for PR Mar 18 17:25
schestowitz zer0c00l: simple RoI Mar 18 17:25
schestowitz Turns out some Microsoft journalists read BN regularly too. I guess it’s useful for understanding of the other side of Microsoft, which Seattle does not always make visible. Mar 18 17:26
MinceR http://boycottnovell.com/narchives.php   appears to be quite empty Mar 18 17:30
schestowitz MinceR: CPU limits Mar 18 17:30
schestowitz It used to work a long time ago Mar 18 17:30
MinceR ic Mar 18 17:30
schestowitz The the admin did some ‘tewaking’ Mar 18 17:30
schestowitz Very annying Mar 18 17:30
schestowitz But imagine thrashing the DB.. Mar 18 17:31
schestowitz 80MB and about 7000 records at once. Mar 18 17:31
schestowitz Worked until we had over 1000 posts Mar 18 17:31
schestowitz Some people wanted to download the site Mar 18 17:31
schestowitz Digg is moving down (no surprise): http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200… Mar 18 17:32
schestowitz I’ve noticed that it got sort of emptied recently, except the PR BS Mar 18 17:32
schestowitz The usual domains game the site’s sections. it’s a mess, they need to clean up Mar 18 17:32
schestowitz Privacy Group Calls For Investigation Of Google  < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2… > Can we find a MS connection? Mar 18 17:33
schestowitz Microsoft has already created one such anti-Google coalition Mar 18 17:33
schestowitz http://www.google.com/search?hl=… Mar 18 17:34
schestowitz Wait… it looks innocent in that regard. Mar 18 17:35
schestowitz http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1… http://www.google.com/url?sa=U… Mar 18 17:36
schestowitz They also went against Microsoft before. Mar 18 17:36
schestowitz Electronic Privacy Information Center Wants Probe of Microsoft’s Services. < http://www.allbusiness.com/government/g… > Mar 18 17:37
schestowitz Still, could this group somehow be funded by Microsoft /now/? Privacy Group Calls For Investigation Of Google < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/0… > Mar 18 17:39
schestowitz ebook too is a patent minefield (one of the “in digital form” patents): http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2… Mar 18 17:40
schestowitz Microsoft is going to kill Google. It has a new name and wallpaper !!11 http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/… Mar 18 17:41
schestowitz amarsh04_ ; Australia secretly censors Wikileaks press release and Danish Internet censorship list, 16 Mar 2009 < http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Australia… > Mar 18 17:48
schestowitz Ooo 3.1 looking good. Will it become from IBM. The site is already blue. http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs… Mar 18 17:49
schestowitz *come from IBM? Mar 18 17:49
schestowitz Good news from the Italians: IT: Head of IT Venice region: ‘Open source wherever appropriate’  < http://www.osor.eu/news/it-hea… > Mar 18 17:52
MinceR more importantly, will it be less buggy? will it display properly if the system colors aren’t black on white? Mar 18 17:52
schestowitz Dunno. Mar 18 17:53
schestowitz Mine complies with my dark Qt theming Mar 18 17:53
schestowitz Which helps not at all if I open a spreadsheet that I use Mar 18 17:53
schestowitz Same in Koffice though. it does what it’s supposed to, namely comply with preferences that are global Mar 18 17:53
MinceR also, will Impress stop gobbling up all my memory while running a slideshow? Mar 18 17:54
schestowitz Russia will be a nation of GNU/Linux: The Russians Are Coming… < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/20… > Mar 18 17:54
MinceR Calc ignores cell background colors here Mar 18 17:55
schestowitz What do you use sheets for? Mar 18 17:55
schestowitz I have a PHP proggy that does these for me Mar 18 17:55
schestowitz Well, used to anyway, when I was using it Mar 18 17:55
schestowitz Too slow to work with though — pageloads to modift Mar 18 17:55
schestowitz *dify Mar 18 17:55
schestowitz MinceR: User Survey 2008 Qualitatively Revived – User comments about OpenOffice.org Impress < http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/… >. Are you impress-ed? Tell em Mar 18 17:57
schestowitz Fifth World Water Forum Marked by Violence and Repression < http://www.alternet.org/water/132066/fi… > Mar 18 17:57
schestowitz http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/20… “Squirrel mail” is presumably the open source Squirrelmail: “Webmail for nuts”. Mar 18 17:58
schestowitz Leaked Memo: EPA Planning Historic Action on Global Warming in April < http://www.alternet.org/environment/132127/l… > Mar 18 17:59
schestowitz http://blogs.harvardbusiness.org/ha… “The real problem is, of course, the reverse: that bankers were never contractually obligated to society – and that, in the bigger picture, no business is.” Mar 18 17:59
MinceR i use sheets for all kinds of stuff Mar 18 18:00
MinceR including RPG character sheets Mar 18 18:00
schestowitz Well, maybe IBM will inject some more MANA into OOo Mar 18 18:01
schestowitz Firefox popular in the Philippines < http://blog.mozilla.com/gen/2009/03/… > Mar 18 18:01
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schestowitz “But the government’s love affair with databases as the cure for all ills has not ended.” < http://www.theregister.co.uk/20… > Mar 18 18:03
MinceR some bugfixing wouldn’t hurt Mar 18 18:03
MinceR also, fixing the horrible font handling of its gui Mar 18 18:03
MinceR (if it used a proper toolkit like Qt or GTK+, it would have worked fine) Mar 18 18:03
schestowitz They fixed antialiasing (did you know? Mar 18 18:04
schestowitz How things change for publishers: Major Book Publishers Start Turning To Scribd < http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/17/… > The economy accelerates this trend Mar 18 18:04
schestowitz BTW, I’ve updated the post about Seattle-PI: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/… Mar 18 18:05
schestowitz Key sentence (IMHO): “It’s not a commentary about Microsoft. Only a skeleton staff will stay behind to man the P-I’s Web site.” Mar 18 18:05
schestowitz So here goes down another press outlet of Microsoft’s ecosystems Mar 18 18:06
schestowitz They’ll try to capture bloggers now.. with shiny laptops and s* Mar 18 18:06
schestowitz So stay vigilant and watch how they manipulate market share and mind share Mar 18 18:06
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schestowitz “Mind Control: To control mental output you have to control mental input.  Take control of the channels by which developers receive information, then they can only think about the things you tell them.  Thus, you control mindshare!” — Microsoft, internal document Mar 18 18:06
MinceR i didn’t know they fixed antialiasing (hinting?) Mar 18 18:08
schestowitz More on that anti-SaaS/Google lobby: The Perils Of Cloud Computing: Privacy Group Wants To Take Your Gmail Away < http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/17/t… > Mar 18 18:08
schestowitz MinceR: yes, for figures and fonts Mar 18 18:08
schestowitz Let me find it (not in the GUI BTW) Mar 18 18:08
MinceR my problem was with the gui Mar 18 18:08
MinceR for example, it insisted using an extra-light font weight of DejaVu Sans in many places Mar 18 18:09
MinceR and too much hinting Mar 18 18:09
schestowitz New: English dictionary (based on Oxford English Dictionary) < http://extensions.services.openoff… >> Mar 18 18:09
schestowitz Old: Mar 18 18:10
schestowitz http://user.services.openoffice… Mar 18 18:10
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schestowitz Good news for a change: Ocean conservation success stories < http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2… > Mar 18 18:11
schestowitz UN wants even more people? The planet can hardly take it as it is. http://www.worldchanging.com…  “Feeding the world’s expanding population will increase water demand 70 to 90 percent by 2050 without improved agricultural methods, according to the U.N. World Water Development Report. ‘ Mar 18 18:13
schestowitz Yeah, try to promote birth control as a matter of species survival. The religious groups would oppose as a matter of idealology. Mar 18 18:14
MinceR i didn’t mean antialiasing of vector graphics Mar 18 18:14
schestowitz Disobedience can probably only be stopped through government control, maybe vasectomies or something. UN message: we can have more, have more… we’ll somehow adapt. Mar 18 18:15
schestowitz MinceR: yes, that Mar 18 18:15
schestowitz Also fonts, IIRC Mar 18 18:15
schestowitz I couldn’t find ti Mar 18 18:15
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schestowitz Oracle Wants to Dance on its Own, Not with Red Hat < http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/article/… > Ellisonux? Mar 18 18:25
schestowitz IDG misinterpretation: “I notice ComputerWorld has linked here noting that I am “worried” by the prospect of IBM acquiring Sun. Actually I am very positive about the idea, although of course there would be issues to overcome.” http://blogs.the451group.com/opensourc… Mar 18 18:30
schestowitz “British parents grossly underestimate how much time their children spend on the net, suggests a report.” < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technolog… > Mar 18 18:36
schestowitz “I went over to their site to see who is behind this group.  http://epic.org/epic/advisory_board.html Not surprised to find someone from Microsoft. Oh, lool, there’s’ is Ray Ozzie. However, they also have Vint Cerf, Joi Ito and Bruce Schneier as advisers. Wierd.” Mar 18 18:38
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schestowitz Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE: RHT): Stock of the Day < http://www.contrarianprofits.com/articles… > Whatever that means (nothing) Mar 18 18:55
Carl_Rover2k12 Sun Micro gong bubye as Big Blue gobbled up more rivals Mar 18 18:56
schestowitz Yes, not good, but Sun was in bad state anyway. IBM is not a mbad suitor Mar 18 18:56
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: it just means another architecture UltraSPARC bites the dust Mar 18 18:58
schestowitz Will it necessarily be axed? Mar 18 18:58
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: I would think so, why would IBM want the cost of supporting 2 architectures that compete with eachother in the same field? Mar 18 18:59
Carl_Rover2k12 they are not exactly Frito Lay when it comes to selling all kinds of chips Mar 18 18:59
schestowitz http://fyi.oreilly.com/2009/03/rea… :-S propaganda terms next to FOSS. Bad micture Mar 18 19:00
schestowitz Carl_Rover2k12: PPC? Mar 18 19:01
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: IBM will definitely favor POWER architecture over their soon to be aquired UltraSPARC Mar 18 19:01
Balrog_ this gentoo system has been up for 41 days. Going down for reboot. Mar 18 19:02
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Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: its more up to date with a smaller die and is already being sold at large quanitities with different types of CPUs Mar 18 19:02
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: UltraSPARC will probably suffer the same fate as DEC’s Alpha when it was aquired by Compaq Mar 18 19:03
schestowitz “I agree with Kristin that an IBM acquisition may be good news for Sun. Still, Sun is one of only a few public open source companies, and if it’s no longer independent, will that be negative for open source?” http://ostatic.com/blog/an-ibm-acquisi… Mar 18 19:08
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: I think Big Blue wants to also take on all the open source initiatives Sun Micro has, ecspecially ZFS Mar 18 19:09
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schestowitz Likely. Big Blue Source? Mar 18 19:10
schestowitz SUN was as much of a patent problem as IBM Mar 18 19:11
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: true, and now it will be even larger Mar 18 19:11
MinceR hm, maybe the Big Blue will slap some sense into Sun then. Mar 18 19:12
schestowitz IBM needed some slaps too Mar 18 19:12
Carl_Rover2k12 MinceR: Sun was making plenty sense aside from their CEO and employment managers Mar 18 19:12
schestowitz MinceR: IBM is no saint Mar 18 19:12
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: IBM is less so Mar 18 19:12
schestowitz See http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10… Mar 18 19:13
MinceR schestowitz: i know but they at least seem to acknowledge that proprietary unix is dying and there’s no sense in resisting Mar 18 19:13
schestowitz Agreed. Mar 18 19:13
MinceR Carl_Rover2k12: and that’s all it takes for a company to do lots of evil Mar 18 19:13
schestowitz But they monopolise other things Mar 18 19:13
schestowitz Like mainframes Mar 18 19:13
schestowitz and they put Ballnux in there Mar 18 19:13
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: they do the same thing as Google, get into opensource community to grab sourcecode, introduce their own improved version and keep it while they release a watered down version as open source. They also like to attach drakonian TOS agreements to their development intiatives such as the one with CELL Mar 18 19:14
schestowitz Android Mar 18 19:14
schestowitz Like Linux, only forked-ish Mar 18 19:14
schestowitz And they never call it Linux Mar 18 19:14
schestowitz It’s Android OS Mar 18 19:14
Balrog schestowitz: isn’t Android running on the Linux kernel? Mar 18 19:14
schestowitz Not quite Mar 18 19:14
schestowitz Sort of Mar 18 19:14
Balrog hm…but isn’t that kernel GPLv2? Mar 18 19:15
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: at least Sun has a good history of lending free support for Java and other sourcecodes Mar 18 19:15
schestowitz Someone gave me this weeks ago: http://mjg59.livejournal.co… Mar 18 19:15
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: and when I mean support, I mean vibrant and personal and not just some PDF or written document Mar 18 19:15
MinceR which ballnux, suse? Mar 18 19:16
schestowitz Gardner: Sun-IBM Deal Just Doesn’t Add Up < http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/66534.html  > Mar 18 19:17
schestowitz MinceR: yes Mar 18 19:17
schestowitz Like 90% Mar 18 19:17
schestowitz Maybe 95% Mar 18 19:17
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/2… Mar 18 19:17
MinceR :( Mar 18 19:17
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Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: maybe IBM is looking for some government handouts like the automakers Mar 18 19:18
Carl_Rover2k12 and AIG Mar 18 19:18
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: all companies want to be “too big to fail” now Mar 18 19:18
schestowitz Carl_Rover2k12: exactly Mar 18 19:19
schestowitz But.. Mar 18 19:19
schestowitz Is IBM really weak? Mar 18 19:19
schestowitz They are like the National Computer COmpany Mar 18 19:19
schestowitz Like GM of PCs Mar 18 19:19
schestowitz National pride, history.. Mar 18 19:19
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schestowitz Red Hat ius buying bacvk heavily Mar 18 19:19
schestowitz I reckon they might be another Microsoft… cooking the books that is Mar 18 19:19
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: if they keep aquiring other businesses in this economic climate their fiscal porfolio can be as stable as @Home’s or Oracle Mar 18 19:19
schestowitz That’s what I hear happens. Sweepup of small businesses. Mar 18 19:20
schestowitz On the penny. Mar 18 19:20
schestowitz IIRC, Sun was worth over 100ml Mar 18 19:21
schestowitz “Amid rumors that Sun may be acquired by IBM, Sun announced a port of Wind River’s Carrier Grade Linux (CGL) to its multi-threading UltraSPARC T2 processor. Sun says Wind River Linux 3.0 is available on several Sun UltraSPARC-T2 systems.” http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/… Mar 18 19:22
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: the last breathes of Sun’s support and relinquishing of UltraSPARC before the architecture is completely left to the open source community and any other fab company willing to produce such chips Mar 18 19:23
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_Hicham_ is it sure that IBM is gonna buy Sun? Mar 18 19:28
schestowitz Who came to who I wonder… Mar 18 19:30
schestowitz How did this come about? Mar 18 19:30
schestowitz because is Sun sought a takeover, then IBM declination would mean looking for another Sugar Daddy Mar 18 19:30
schestowitz You don’t want people like Ballmer pulling on Schwartz’s ponytail. Mar 18 19:31
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: probably just Sun execs bailing on their employees and making their shareholders happy Mar 18 19:31
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: why else would Sun would agree willingly let a giant corporation like IBM aquire it for $9 on the share Mar 18 19:32
Carl_Rover2k12 the closing price will be higher once the aquisition is carried through Mar 18 19:32
schestowitz “And now, the software specs of the “Linaxe” OS (all crammed into 4 kilobytes!)” http://chrisfenton.com/diy-laptop-v2/ Mar 18 19:32
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: Big Blue agreed because they like gobbling up competitors and adding to their patent portfolio Mar 18 19:33
schestowitz Yes Mar 18 19:33
schestowitz Harvesting Mar 18 19:33
schestowitz Yoda likes Wookie. Mar 18 19:33
*Carl_Rover2k12 tries to gurgle and roar Mar 18 19:34
Carl_Rover2k12 doesn’t really work that way Mar 18 19:36
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: so what other underhanded shannagans is going on within or effecting the open source community? Mar 18 19:40
schestowitz Microsoft’s EEE of OSS is the major isue Mar 18 19:41
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schestowitz The utility of Linux in servers and so-called clouds matters less to me as long as it keeps development around GNU/Linux. But Microsoft will try to change this and along with it it hopes to derail Linux in other areas too, inc. embedded and desktop Mar 18 19:44
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: well in the desktop realm M$ gave others a good lashing, but embedded not so much. They still don’t have their new Winmo 7 OS out to compete with the others and they have not announced anything new and exciting with it except for that honeycomb GUI Mar 18 19:46
schestowitz ” Microsoft, in short, is now playing by Ubuntu’s terms.” http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505… Mar 18 19:48
schestowitz Dumping :-) Mar 18 19:48
schestowitz SmartQ 5 MID scores itself Ubuntu, a ridiculously low price tag < http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/18… > Mar 18 19:49
schestowitz “The touchscreen device, which features a 4.3-inch 800 x 480 screen, is now running an ARM-friendly Ubuntu distro, and has been given the low, low pricetag of 899 Chinese Yuan, about $132.” What’s the price of Vista ultimate again? $712 in Holland? Mar 18 19:50
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: Dell is even offering their new premium ultra-thin Aldamo with a Ubuntu option Mar 18 19:52
Carl_Rover2k12 I need to find where I can import a SmartQ tablet Mar 18 19:53
schestowitz Kingsnorth report reveals shocking police campaign of intimidation against protesters < http://www.britcit.co.uk/content/arc… > Mar 18 19:54
schestowitz Carl_Rover2k12: Dell probably had a racket with Microsoft, though. Mar 18 19:55
Carl_Rover2k12 racket as in? Mar 18 19:55
schestowitz Conferences are mad.  “The cost is $2,750 per person, including hardware that the student keeps after the event ends. ” http://www.newdesignworld.com/p… Mar 18 19:57
schestowitz Carl_Rover2k12: patent deal covering Linux Mar 18 19:57
MinceR probably? i thought we were pretty certain of it. Mar 18 20:01
schestowitz Indeed, more Dells with GNU: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/0… ” based on cheap processors and a version of Linux” Mar 18 20:02
schestowitz MinceR: no bullet, just smoke Mar 18 20:03
_Hicham_ Dell seems to understand the ongoing market trend Mar 18 20:03
schestowitz Putin also boycotts Dell :-) “We don’t need any help…..” Mar 18 20:03
_Hicham_ why? Mar 18 20:03
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMR1BZ9aYM8 Mar 18 20:04
MinceR i have a dell laptop and it’s falling apart already Mar 18 20:05
Carl_Rover2k12 hip hip hurrah for jolly’ole England or, Ingsoc Mar 18 20:06
Carl_Rover2k12 MinceR: then call up Dell, the one thing you can count on is them having a crapload of parts you can fix your machine with Mar 18 20:08
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MinceR except when they don’t Mar 18 20:10
MinceR like when my gpu melted Mar 18 20:10
MinceR and they took a month without even having an idea when they’re going to have a replacement Mar 18 20:11
MinceR and i can’t just dispose of the damn thing for a month Mar 18 20:11
schestowitz Stories from Dell (hell) Mar 18 20:11
schestowitz H-P rearms it’s Linux-Fu (IBM scary yet?): http://sev.prnewswire.com/computer-electr… Mar 18 20:12
schestowitz Linux a high flyer (lots of good Linux news today): http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/artic… Mar 18 20:13
schestowitz “I simply put my finger into the USB port of a computer and pull out the hand if I need it,” Javala explained. “Afterwards the finger goes back on.” http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,29… Mar 18 20:16
schestowitz Some kids give Linux the finger; this guy gives finger the Linux Mar 18 20:17
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: in Soviet Russia computer uses finger to interface with YOU! Mar 18 20:18
schestowitz Important milestone for SUNBM: VirtualBox Gets 3D Acceleration For Linux Guests < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php… > Mar 18 20:20
schestowitz Carl_Rover2k12: for men, it’s more like interference, not “interface” Mar 18 20:20
schestowitz Redmond’s bad engineering is giving a bad name to SaaS: What happens when clouds (inevitably) burst? < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3… > Mar 18 20:22
Carl_Rover2k12 @schestowitz: so you are all for AI computers that manage themselves? Mar 18 20:22
schestowitz Sun said the world needs 7 computers Mar 18 20:23
schestowitz I think it was said by their CTO with the Greek surname Mar 18 20:23
schestowitz But you still need clients (user end) Mar 18 20:23
schestowitz With surveillance increasing on the nodes, this whole issues of ‘privacy’ on the cloud become moot. The governments don’t want those ‘perky’ people to do things without the nanny on tap anyway. Mar 18 20:24
schestowitz Microsoft bloggers are flogging lots of favourware today (Silver Lie 3.0.. with Miguel shouting “YEAH, yeah man!!” in the background… Moon Lie) Mar 18 20:25
schestowitz Linux looks cute, donnit’? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa… (The Linux Kernel Saves Animals, Gets New Logo) Mar 18 20:26
schestowitz “We’ve been talking about IBM buying Sun Microsystems here at ZDNet since 2002. I have been speculating about it since 2004. I put IBM’s Thomas Watson Sr. into a Sun post in 2007. (I ran with this sunset last November.)”” http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3732 Symphony as new OOo GUI? Mar 18 20:31
Carl_Rover2k12 Putin sure knows how to philibuster Mar 18 20:32
schestowitz Add caption: http://jkdabroad.files.wordpress.com/20… Mar 18 20:34
schestowitz Here are the responsible adults with the code for ‘the’ button: http://aftermathnews.files.wordpre… Mar 18 20:36
Carl_Rover2k12 iight, I am gonna call it a day, this is a nice channel you got here Mar 18 20:51
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trmanco what is up with Matt on COLA? Mar 18 21:02
schestowitz What did he say? Mar 18 21:07
schestowitz i’ve just read some of his stuff (in open source RSS news) Mar 18 21:08
trmanco terry keeps calling him a windows boy Mar 18 21:08
trmanco I’m not sure why Mar 18 21:08
schestowitz he’s a mac boy Mar 18 21:09
schestowitz Where did terry porter call him that? Mar 18 21:09
schestowitz Wouldn’t surprrise me if the MS camp used Asay’s pro-blobs confused agenda to say something bad about FOSS or Linux Mar 18 21:10
schestowitz Same with Blankenhorn… people who don’t use FOSS but sure write blogs about it in ‘Microsoft’ sites (CNET and ZDNET) Mar 18 21:10
schestowitz Microsoft takes a s* on FOSS: Microsoft Sweet-er than open source <  http://www.itworldcanada.com/a/Daily-N… > Mar 18 21:10
trmanco schestowitz, http://groups.google.com/group/comp.o… Mar 18 21:11
trmanco hw is using linux afai Mar 18 21:11
trmanco afaik Mar 18 21:11
trmanco he* Mar 18 21:11
schestowitz Stuart Cohen out with his Novellsoft-type vision again: http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/community/featur… Mar 18 21:13
schestowitz Oh wait Mar 18 21:14
schestowitz Matt from COLA? Mar 18 21:14
schestowitz I thought you meant Matt Asay. Ah! The irony! Mar 18 21:14
schestowitz Never mind then Mar 18 21:14
schestowitz “Matt” seems to be on  agenda to port Linux apps to Windows, but he also keeps track of large Linux adoptions Mar 18 21:15
trmanco LOL Mar 18 21:16
trmanco Linux apps to Windows, pff, sometimes it’s not worth it Mar 18 21:16
_Hicham_ Linux App already run on Windows, thanks to GTK, Qt, and Cygwin Mar 18 21:28
trmanco * OpenGL 3d acceleration for Linux guests Mar 18 21:29
trmanco on Virtualbox 2.2 beta 1 :D Mar 18 21:29
schestowitz :-d yes, someone RT-ed it from my in identica Mar 18 21:32
schestowitz What does RT stand for BTW? Mar 18 21:32
schestowitz Tell Miguel that Linux is almost like Winders now: DirectX 10 coming to Linux through WINE and CrossOver < http://apcmag.com/directx-10-in-l… > Mar 18 21:33
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_Hicham_ Fuck DirectX Mar 18 21:34
_Hicham_ Viva OpenGL Mar 18 21:34
_Hicham_ I enjoyed so much OpenGL Mar 18 21:34
_Hicham_ writing in DirectX is like writing with WinAPI Mar 18 21:35
schestowitz Guy needs help: Ubuntu 8.10 on the AA1 – follow-up review < http://linuxd.wordpress.com/2009/0… > Mar 18 21:35
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schestowitz _Hicham_: exactly Mar 18 21:35
schestowitz Same with Wine, but it’s a risky trap Mar 18 21:35
schestowitz Google promotes Win APIs with Picasa Mar 18 21:36
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_Hicham_ Google is planning to release Chrome with GTK Mar 18 21:36
_Hicham_ but it is still unknown Mar 18 21:37
schestowitz New: I hate Windows <  http://aplawrence.com/Mic… > Mar 18 21:37
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schestowitz _Hicham_: not confirmed. I think it is. Was on OSNews Mar 18 21:37
schestowitz KDEtwitter < http://linuxsysconfig.com/2009… > No identi.ca support? :-( Mar 18 21:39
_Hicham_ Roy : http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wik… Mar 18 21:41
_Hicham_ u can see the GTK dev lib in there Mar 18 21:41
_Hicham_ but I am wondering Mar 18 21:41
_Hicham_ why use WTL in first place while GTK is cross-platform? Mar 18 21:41
trmanco schestowitz, retweet Mar 18 21:42
_Hicham_ I mean, it could have lot easier to port Mar 18 21:42
schestowitz _Hicham_: maybe former Microsoft employees build Chrome Mar 18 21:42
schestowitz That’s my friend’s theory anyway Mar 18 21:42
schestowitz Same with Picasa Mar 18 21:42
_Hicham_ Roy : u are right Mar 18 21:43
schestowitz Google also spreads ActiveX garbage Mar 18 21:43
trmanco schestowitz, avtivex? where? Mar 18 21:43
schestowitz trmanco: is that a duplicator?> Mar 18 21:43
schestowitz trmanco: Google Maps Mar 18 21:43
schestowitz At least Mar 18 21:43
_Hicham_ i think that Google plans on taking over Microsoft Mar 18 21:43
schestowitz Also defending Flash Mar 18 21:43
schestowitz Crawling Flash, using it in YouTube, Google Finance, etc Mar 18 21:43
schestowitz _Hicham_: Google’s market cap is almost higher than MSFT’s now Mar 18 21:44
schestowitz About 75% of it Mar 18 21:44
trmanco schestowitz, no a funny typo, can’t check, FF doesn’t support activex Mar 18 21:44
schestowitz Microsoft is old, clumsy and very violant Mar 18 21:44
trmanco schestowitz, youtube was already using flash before they bought it Mar 18 21:45
schestowitz And like a child molester, no-one trust it anymore… “we’re open source…” “we like privacy…” “Vista 7 will knock your socks off” Mar 18 21:45
schestowitz trmanco: yes, but it’s not just YT Mar 18 21:45
schestowitz http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/03/17/google-… Mar 18 21:45
schestowitz Why are Linux users waiting for this rubbish anyway? Mar 18 21:46
schestowitz Who would you trust more? Google or Mozilla? Mar 18 21:46
schestowitz Google needs to harvest data, Mozilla hardly knows what to do with such data Mar 18 21:46
_Hicham_ Mozilla Mar 18 21:46
trmanco they are not waiting for it Mar 18 21:46
trmanco mozilla of course Mar 18 21:46
schestowitz http://blusrcu.ba/nookie/?p=17 Mar 18 21:46
_Hicham_ the anti-phishing filter in Firefox belongs to google Mar 18 21:46
schestowitz Linux killer appz: http://codepad.classhelper.org/fun-le… Mar 18 21:47
trmanco … and it goes mad from time to time too Mar 18 21:47
schestowitz _Hicham_: MS has it build in Mar 18 21:47
schestowitz IE7+ is spyware of the worst type Mar 18 21:47
schestowitz Microsoft browses the Web ‘with’ you Mar 18 21:48
schestowitz “Hmmmmmmmmmm… nice page you got there… mind if I tell Billie and GWB?” Mar 18 21:48
schestowitz ‘Security’ (i.e. Windows is not seucre) as excuse to compromise privacy… now that’s a classic, not just in Web browsing Mar 18 21:49
schestowitz Phishing is a real issue, but stuff like OpenID could help Mar 18 21:49
schestowitz Here we go again (flamewar): Ubuntu is Linux: Really?   < http://dgoodmaniii.wordpress.com/2009/… > Mar 18 21:50
_Hicham_ by the way, Firefox used to support ActiveX Mar 18 21:50
_Hicham_ Roy : Now I am on Debian Mar 18 21:51
schestowitz Nostalgia resurrected: http://freegamer.blogspot.com/2009/… Mar 18 21:51
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schestowitz _Hicham_: I didn’t know that. They shouldn’t Mar 18 21:52
trmanco _Hicham_, in what? FF 1.0 and 1.5? Mar 18 21:52
schestowitz Following deviation from standards is bad Mar 18 21:52
schestowitz Microsoft should just get kicked from HTML/W3C Mar 18 21:52
schestowitz Chris Wilson and others from the company that deliberately brokw Web standards Mar 18 21:52
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/u… Mar 18 21:52
MinceR so should crApple and nokia Mar 18 21:53
_Hicham_ trmanco : yes Mar 18 21:53
schestowitz Bill Gates: “In one piece of mail people were suggesting that Office had to work equally well with all browsers and that we shouldn’t force Office users to use our browser. This Is wrong and I wanted to correct this.” Mar 18 21:53
schestowitz “Another suggestion In this mail was that we can’t make our own unilateral extensions to HTML I was going to say this was wrong and correct this also.” Mar 18 21:53
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