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03.24.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 23rd, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:44 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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twitter for instance, this annoying link http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/p… Mar 23 18:41
twitter goes to M$ search crap. Mar 23 18:41
schestowitz twitter: yes, I messed up with 1984. Spanish version, I think Mar 23 18:41
amd-linux well they might slow down Linux adoption again a bit, but in the end, you can not stop a trend Mar 23 18:41
schestowitz Cat out of the bag…. Mar 23 18:41
schestowitz They tried copyrights and failed Mar 23 18:41
schestowitz Now going to softer stuff. Mar 23 18:41
amd-linux they got teared apart here in Germany with their FAT “patent” Mar 23 18:42
twitter Oh well, thanks anyway.  the recent 1984 is brilliant and fun to watch regardless. Mar 23 18:42
amd-linux the court just ripped them, cut them, scliced them Mar 23 18:42
amd-linux sliced Mar 23 18:42
twitter I might have to go rent it Mar 23 18:42
amd-linux still a joy to read the verdict Mar 23 18:42
twitter scliced sounds about right Mar 23 18:42
amd-linux is it an english word? Mar 23 18:43
amd-linux didnt now :-) Mar 23 18:43
amd-linux know Mar 23 18:43
twitter no, just a good alliteration, schhhhh-lice! Mar 23 18:43
amd-linux ;-) Mar 23 18:43
twitter lots of “shhhh” as the knife goes through piles of paper and corporate lawyer. Mar 23 18:44
amd-linux by intimidating Tom Tom, BTW, they drove them into the arms of the community, me thinks Mar 23 18:44
amd-linux reminds me to this guitar producer Mar 23 18:44
amd-linux who got searched by the BSA Mar 23 18:44
twitter Ball? Mar 23 18:44
twitter Yes, that’s a good story. Mar 23 18:44
amd-linux Right, that was his name one of the first Linux adopter Mar 23 18:45
amd-linux enterprise wide i mean Mar 23 18:45
schestowitz I’ve spread the press release, starting here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/… Mar 23 18:49
schestowitz It’ll be worth writing about later. Microsoft is now facing OIN Mar 23 18:49
schestowitz Patent pool Mar 23 18:49
twitter Google, Chrysler, Red Hat, Lowes, there are lots of big and early adopters. Mar 23 18:49
schestowitz Microsoft had the Myhrvoltroll patent pool.\ Mar 23 18:49
schestowitz twitter: the song is good: Mar 23 18:49
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watc… Mar 23 18:50
twitter Sheesh, even janitors were not spared firing by M$?  http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/s… Mar 23 18:50
twitter that’s truly sad Mar 23 18:50
schestowitz Ernie Ball Mar 23 18:50
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schestowitz Hi, tyche_ Mar 23 18:50
tyche_ Morning Mar 23 18:51
tyche_ By one minute.  Hee hee Mar 23 18:51
amd-linux High Noon…. Shoot out at O.K. Corral Mar 23 18:51
amd-linux that is what will happen now Mar 23 18:51
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tyche_ Oh, the shootout started long ago.  I noticed on the TomTom-Linux petition that there are now 267 signatures.  I was number 8 Mar 23 18:53
amd-linux in NATO language, this is Art. 5 NATO treaty Mar 23 18:54
amd-linux http://www.nato.int/docu/bas… Mar 23 18:54
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amd-linux the 9/11 for FOSS, so to say Mar 23 18:54
tyche_ Ever read http://tycheent.wordpress.com/200… ? Mar 23 18:55
amd-linux yes, I know. But their attitude might change Mar 23 18:56
amd-linux that is what I meant with driven in the arms of the community Mar 23 18:56
amd-linux the enemy of your enemy is your friend…. Mar 23 18:56
trmanco schestowitz, http://code.google.com/p/qwit/ Mar 23 18:57
schestowitz tyche_: let me look Mar 23 18:58
schestowitz tyche_: yes, I linked to it several times. Mar 23 18:58
tyche_ Thanks.  “All contributions are greatfully received”  Hee hee Mar 23 18:59
trmanco http://blogs.computerworld.com/tomtom… Mar 23 19:00
tyche_ trmanco: Yep.  SJVN is a strong voice for free software and free standards. Mar 23 19:01
schestowitz “…here we SCO again!” Mar 23 19:01
trmanco yeah Mar 23 19:01
schestowitz tyche_: not Free software Mar 23 19:01
schestowitz He’s ‘pragmatist’ Mar 23 19:01
tyche_ Yea, that term suits him. Mar 23 19:01
*trmanco hates philosophy Mar 23 19:01
tyche_ Oh, I don’t know about that.  He defended me against a troll when OO.o was setting up a technical committee. Mar 23 19:02
amd-linux Well, I also like him being pragmatic. And he is writing quite entertaining so that people without FOSS background can read his articles Mar 23 19:04
schestowitz If I turn “<” to “&lt;” in JavaScript, will it work? Mar 23 19:05
amd-linux on the other side, he is usually “only” summarizing recent news and issues but usually not really investigating Mar 23 19:05
schestowitz The validator is complaining Mar 23 19:05
amd-linux ROFL Mar 23 19:06
tyche_ amd-linux: True, he summarizes what others have reported.  But he does it from a lawyer’s point of view. Mar 23 19:06
amd-linux just saw the pic with ballmer Mar 23 19:06
amd-linux Loooool! Mar 23 19:06
amd-linux puppet player Mar 23 19:06
amd-linux great! Mar 23 19:06
amd-linux He is a lawyer? Didn’t know that. Mar 23 19:08
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schestowitz Ah! Mar 23 19:09
schestowitz I fixed the plugin’s xhtml validity Mar 23 19:09
tyche_ I believe so.  If not, he definitely has legal knowledge/experience, even if it isn’t through formal training.  I’ve seen him in action in that OO.o mailing list.  Ruthless. Mar 23 19:10
*schestowitz goes to submit a patch Mar 23 19:10
Balrog schestowitz: don’t makd that error too much :P Mar 23 19:17
Balrog make * Mar 23 19:17
schestowitz It won;t work.. http://bytes.com/groups/javas… Mar 23 19:17
amd-linux aargh… regex…. you can grill a brain with them Mar 23 19:18
amd-linux at least mine ;-) Mar 23 19:18
Balrog :{ Mar 23 19:18
schestowitz Maybe if I could move the JS outside the file… Mar 23 19:20
trmanco crap Mar 23 19:23
trmanco anybody know the link of an article that stated that playboy was using silvilight? Mar 23 19:24
trmanco I posted it here yesterday, but I forgot about the link Mar 23 19:24
twitter playboy a whore for M$?  say it ain’t so! Mar 23 19:24
Balrog silverlight 3 beta came out recently :( Mar 23 19:25
amd-linux not me but a good reason to visit playboy site :-) Mar 23 19:25
twitter don’t see any link to “playboy” here. Mar 23 19:25
twitter oh wait, here you are http://www.extremetech.com… Mar 23 19:26
amd-linux http://playboy.covertocover.com/ Mar 23 19:26
amd-linux from the source :-) Mar 23 19:26
trmanco twitter, yeah that’s it, thanks Mar 23 19:26
twitter I live less than a mile from LSU and don’t need spank mags, but thanks. Mar 23 19:27
amd-linux MS is”investing” heavily in Silverlight adoption Mar 23 19:27
schestowitz It seems like a validator error: http://www.webdeveloper.com/forum/s… Mar 23 19:27
schestowitz The CDATA stuff is already done Mar 23 19:27
twitter So many investments with so little return. Mar 23 19:27
twitter Rejoice, all the bankers are saved (again) http://online.wsj.com/articl… Mar 23 19:28
twitter They get trillions in taxpayer money and get to keep everyone’s house too.  It’s a wonderful life! Mar 23 19:29
amd-linux if there is one good aspect with regard to silverlight it is the competition – in the end, Adobe finally might open source Flash Mar 23 19:29
amd-linux so far, they at least open up the specs Mar 23 19:30
twitter I’d rather see people just use embedded video. Mar 23 19:30
amd-linux well but for games and animation this is not enough Mar 23 19:30
twitter Gnash is more significant competition. Mar 23 19:30
amd-linux browser games are very popular here in germany Mar 23 19:30
amd-linux can not be done without Flash Mar 23 19:30
amd-linux at the moment Mar 23 19:30
twitter I see people use them.  Games or freedom, what a choice. Mar 23 19:30
trmanco <video></video> tag is the future Mar 23 19:31
trmanco for videos… Mar 23 19:31
twitter that will be nice Mar 23 19:31
twitter Google should get on it first. Mar 23 19:31
amd-linux I am also looking forward for FF 3.5 Mar 23 19:32
schestowitz amd-linux: W3c still complains about <video> Mar 23 19:32
schestowitz I can’t validate with it Mar 23 19:32
schestowitz And now this stupid JS pain. Mar 23 19:32
schestowitz I give up Mar 23 19:32
amd-linux lol Mar 23 19:32
schestowitz Validation or not, no broser can fail badly on that. Mar 23 19:32
amd-linux Roy, you becoming pragmatic? ;-) Mar 23 19:33
schestowitz It’s like I have to feel embarrassed about putting Oggs in the pages Mar 23 19:33
twitter thumbnail + link to movie should be good for everyone. Mar 23 19:33
schestowitz Flash has always been a mess Mar 23 19:33
schestowitz For XHTML that is Mar 23 19:33
twitter konqueror does in new tab movies very nicely Mar 23 19:33
_Hicham_2 svg is the future Mar 23 19:33
amd-linux Flash is a resource eater Mar 23 19:33
schestowitz MS hates SVG Mar 23 19:33
schestowitz It refuses to support it Mar 23 19:33
_Hicham_2 fuck flash Mar 23 19:33
twitter fuck M$ Mar 23 19:33
schestowitz It makes proprietary subs Mar 23 19:34
amd-linux f-word? try this: http://playboy.covertocover.com/ Mar 23 19:34
_Hicham_2 viva svg Mar 23 19:34
amd-linux ;-) Mar 23 19:34
amd-linux SCNR Mar 23 19:34
_Hicham_2 viva open source Mar 23 19:34
trmanco lol Mar 23 19:34
twitter freedom Mar 23 19:34
_Hicham_2 there is nothing like freedom Mar 23 19:34
amd-linux worst with Flash are the Flash cookies…. a privacy nightmare Mar 23 19:35
_Hicham_2 and on Windows, it is a System Service Mar 23 19:35
twitter nice Mar 23 19:35
twitter what a service Mar 23 19:35
trmanco any web scripting language has it’s privacy risks Mar 23 19:35
_Hicham_2 and u know what it means a system service Mar 23 19:35
amd-linux only solution is to link ~/.macromedia to /dev/nul Mar 23 19:35
trmanco l Mar 23 19:36
_Hicham_2 twitter : a service that is started by the special user SYSTEM Mar 23 19:36
_Hicham_2 and it is hidden Mar 23 19:36
schestowitz Google knows what people watch Mar 23 19:37
schestowitz Adsense/analytics Mar 23 19:37
twitter interesting.  I actually have an old system with a .macromedia directory.  Must have had flash on it once through Mepis. Mar 23 19:37
twitter rm .macromedia/ -r Mar 23 19:38
twitter that was easy Mar 23 19:38
amd-linux look through it – you might find all the old pr0n from yrs ago Mar 23 19:38
amd-linux ;-) Mar 23 19:38
twitter what makes you think I lost my porn? Mar 23 19:38
amd-linux ahm…. nothing, sir.. Mar 23 19:39
amd-linux ;-) Mar 23 19:39
twitter can’t ever recall seeing a flash porn site, double ick. Mar 23 19:39
twitter don’t think you can lose .macromedia so easily on Winblows Mar 23 19:40
schestowitz .macromedia/ is not the problem Mar 23 19:40
_Hicham_2 Windows locks the used files Mar 23 19:40
schestowitz It’s your HDD Mar 23 19:40
twitter imagines a multigigabye registry file Mar 23 19:40
schestowitz It’s what’s not on your HDD that’s an issue Mar 23 19:40
amd-linux no offense intended, just a matte rof fact that porn is one of the most popular contents on the web Mar 23 19:40
schestowitz Unless they  can probe too Mar 23 19:40
schestowitz E.g. is Flash can send back the list to others Mar 23 19:40
twitter so can my ISP Mar 23 19:41
amd-linux http://www.imasuper.com/66/technolog… Mar 23 19:41
twitter it is a shame we can not trust people who provide technical services Mar 23 19:41
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twitter GWB made things much worse Mar 23 19:42
schestowitz DNA’s shapes could give clues to function  < http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2012… > Mar 23 19:44
_Hicham_2 twitter : free services are not really free Mar 23 19:45
_Hicham_2 twitter : u r paying in either way Mar 23 19:45
schestowitz Speaking of privacy: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tec… Mar 23 19:45
schestowitz They should grill the government over its approval of this thing: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h… Mar 23 19:45
_Hicham_2 twitter : if u don’t pay with money, you will pay with sthg else Mar 23 19:45
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twitter not always.  Gnash comes without strings. Mar 23 19:46
schestowitz “Nicholas Hughes hangs himself at his home in Alaska 46 years after his mother gassed herself” < http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/mar/… > Mar 23 19:46
schestowitz I wonder if the second Great Depression will raise the suicide levels considerably. This is not good. Mar 23 19:47
twitter suicide/murder Mar 23 19:47
schestowitz Might be Mar 23 19:49
schestowitz http://techdirt.com/articles/20… (Filmmaker Releases Film Via All Torrent Sites, Says Pay If You Like It) Mar 23 19:49
schestowitz And they try to just kill torrent, don’t they…? Mar 23 19:49
amd-linux there is a restaurant in London (?) that offers the same – pay if you like it. and you dont believe it they make more money than before, they said on TV Mar 23 19:50
amd-linux because people give more than the actual price would have been on the menu Mar 23 19:51
amd-linux however that would not work here :_) Mar 23 19:51
amd-linux :-) Mar 23 19:51
schestowitz Why not in Germany? Mar 23 19:58
schestowitz London — OK. Old London was wealthy in some parts of it Mar 23 19:58
schestowitz East London won’t bring the same RoI Mar 23 19:58
schestowitz http://www.fsdaily.com/Legal/Amazon_s_Lin… Mar 23 19:59
amd-linux well not saying whole of Germany, but my region where I am from is a part of Germany where we say that the Scottish where banned from our region Mar 23 19:59
amd-linux because of luxury Mar 23 19:59
amd-linux so essentially it is unlikely that many people would pay at all Mar 23 20:00
schestowitz amd-linux: I want to find a video to show you. Mar 23 20:00
schestowitz But I might not find it Mar 23 20:00
schestowitz Hold on. Mar 23 20:00
amd-linux the reataurant? Mar 23 20:01
schestowitz It’s about how black people see white people Mar 23 20:01
schestowitz Very comical… uses Bavaria as a reference, IIRC Mar 23 20:01
schestowitz A friend E-mailed it to me Mar 23 20:01
amd-linux :-) Mar 23 20:02
amd-linux we have a lot of tourists here, during oktoberfest many english people Mar 23 20:03
amd-linux man, are some of them drunk Mar 23 20:03
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amd-linux behind the tents of oktoberfest, there is unique smell…. Mar 23 20:03
amd-linux I dont want to go into details :-) Mar 23 20:03
schestowitz I’ll check my mail archive Mar 23 20:04
schestowitz I can’t find it Mar 23 20:04
amd-linux but if you find the link pls post it here, I will check the archive tomorrow Mar 23 20:04
amd-linux gotta go now good evening  everybody Mar 23 20:04
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schestowitz re: TomTomaginot Line (OIN): “It would seem that the M$ reign of terror is coming to an end. And, it cannot happen to soon enough for me ! ” http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_s… Mar 23 20:09
schestowitz Microsoft is like the US convoys that try to destroy socialism in South America because it’s ‘infectious’…… trying to ruin one deployment at a time but failing badly. http://apcmag.com/french-police-sw… Mar 23 20:10
MinceR is TomTom winning or something? Mar 23 20:12
schestowitz Giving Microsoft a big PR pain Mar 23 20:12
schestowitz MS vs OIN Mar 23 20:12
MinceR OIN? Mar 23 20:13
schestowitz Not long from now PearlyG will need to pull Myhrvoltroll out of his sack Mar 23 20:13
schestowitz When men were men they fought with swords Mar 23 20:13
schestowitz Then they fought with code Mar 23 20:13
schestowitz Enigma Mar 23 20:14
schestowitz Now they fight with pieces of paper Mar 23 20:14
schestowitz Patent applications in a pile Mar 23 20:14
MinceR m$ doesn’t even know what a man is Mar 23 20:14
schestowitz They have two Mar 23 20:15
MinceR who? Mar 23 20:15
schestowitz With squeaky voices Mar 23 20:15
schestowitz One bobs back and fourth like a pigeon and another barks like a CHIWAWA Mar 23 20:16
schestowitz “Microsoft is suffering during the financial crisis.” http://lodahl.blogspot.com/… Mar 23 20:18
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schestowitz Be sure to check this one out: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009… Mar 23 20:18
schestowitz Fraud at Barclays, brought to you by wikileaks Mar 23 20:18
balzac Looks like M$ lawsuit against Tom Tom has gone to the birds Mar 23 20:23
schestowitz You heard the Enderle shill Mar 23 20:26
schestowitz They wanted a quick settlement Mar 23 20:26
schestowitz He tried to do a favour for his buddies by intimidating TomTom Mar 23 20:26
schestowitz “Linux doesn’t care about you… you are going out of business, blah blah..” Mar 23 20:27
balzac I just read your top story on BN Mar 23 20:27
schestowitz And Matt Asay foolishly enough picked the bait from Microsoft and smeared it on the walls Mar 23 20:27
schestowitz *LOL* Mar 23 20:27
schestowitz It’s like with kids whom you tell not to play with Pooh… or Endere Mar 23 20:27
balzac They’ve licensed with OIN so M$ can’t shake them down. Isn’t that a correct reading of it? Mar 23 20:27
schestowitz We’ll see later. IANAL. Mar 23 20:28
balzac And they’re counter-suing MS, right? Mar 23 20:28
schestowitz http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s… Mar 23 20:28
balzac IANAL = I am not a lawyer Mar 23 20:29
twitter I’m starting a predatory lending blog.  Links to interesting analysis will be appreciated http://slashdot.org/~twitter/jou… Mar 23 20:29
balzac If the blogger formerly known as “Wonkette” says “IANAL” she might be talking about something else. Mar 23 20:30
schestowitz She adds nothing significant, IMHO Mar 23 20:30
schestowitz twitter: aren’t they *all* predatory? Mar 23 20:31
MinceR schestowitz: those squeaky things don’t sound like men :> Mar 23 20:31
balzac except for some salacious and funny comments Mar 23 20:31
schestowitz It’s like “funny clown” Mar 23 20:31
schestowitz Or “smelly pig” Mar 23 20:31
balzac Venezuela’s Chavez calls Obama “ignoramus” Mar 23 20:32
balzac http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/i… Mar 23 20:32
balzac heheh Mar 23 20:32
schestowitz MinceR: bull. He’s a grown bull… at least physically. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbCmnRztK1Y Thinks like a 5 year ols though Mar 23 20:32
schestowitz balzac: bravo to him Mar 23 20:32
balzac Chavez is probably the only guy who can talk trash about Obama and suffer no loss of stature as a result. Mar 23 20:33
schestowitz I posted this here in the afternoon Mar 23 20:33
schestowitz Yes Mar 23 20:33
schestowitz I like Chavez Mar 23 20:33
schestowitz Did you know he recommends Chomsky’s writings? To the UK assembly even. Mar 23 20:33
balzac Yeah, I said on my DailyKos blog that Chavez was my president back in 2006. Mar 23 20:33
balzac not under a pseudonym Mar 23 20:33
balzac yep Mar 23 20:33
schestowitz It’s not Obama’s fault Mar 23 20:34
schestowitz It’s not his fault that he’s ignorasmus. They make him that way. gnorasms make ‘good’ leaders, more like front men. No knowledge, no consciousness. Mar 23 20:34
schestowitz Like in 1984, “ignorance is strength” Mar 23 20:35
balzac Well, I’m pretty happy about Obama, except that I am definitely not ok with the predator drones in Pakistan. Mar 23 20:35
schestowitz When Owell worked at the BBC he spoke about how they deliberately told lies — “propaganda”, not information Mar 23 20:35
balzac Thankfully, he’s talking about exit-plan from Afghanistan Mar 23 20:35
schestowitz He actually said that, when working for them, maybe afterwards. Mar 23 20:35
schestowitz Talk is cheap Mar 23 20:36
balzac indeed Mar 23 20:36
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balzac Obama should have made Kucinich head of the DOJ Mar 23 20:36
schestowitz Heh. Mar 23 20:36
schestowitz Yeah… Mar 23 20:36
schestowitz Or Jackson Mar 23 20:37
schestowitz He said the truth and got canned Mar 23 20:37
schestowitz he said Microsoft needed to face criminal charges Mar 23 20:37
balzac Jackson from the MS case. Mar 23 20:37
schestowitz He also called them “criminals” Mar 23 20:37
schestowitz Said the truth b asically Mar 23 20:37
schestowitz Like Chavez Mar 23 20:37
schestowitz Saying the truth gets one in trouble Mar 23 20:37
schestowitz We’re meant to recite consensus Mar 23 20:37
schestowitz balzac: Penfield yeah.. Mar 23 20:37
balzac well, I’d say deputy AG for Judge Jackson. Prosecuting Bush is a just little bit more of a high priority than prosecuting MS. Mar 23 20:38
schestowitz Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable < http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2009/03/ne… > Old journalism is dying. Mar 23 20:38
balzac Prosecuting Microsoft is way down the list. There’s about 100+ members of congress who should go to jail first. Mar 23 20:39
balzac But I’m glad Jackson put criminal charges on the table for that case. Mar 23 20:39
schestowitz Splitting Microsoft Mar 23 20:39
schestowitz You know what happened then, right? Mar 23 20:40
schestowitz GWB came into the house (haus!) Mar 23 20:40
balzac The “Supreme” court over-ruled the election results and Bush over-ruled Penfield. Mar 23 20:40
schestowitz So it’s all connected. Microsoft contributes a lot to candidates in more than one way. Mar 23 20:40
schestowitz Theft of the election is another thing Mar 23 20:41
schestowitz Sad for the United States Mar 23 20:41
schestowitz Which is apt at slamming the elections at other countries. Mar 23 20:41
_Hicham_1 the United States is a bad example for the world Mar 23 20:42
balzac Beer Hall Butsch took over der Vite Haus Mar 23 20:42
schestowitz KY Election Officials Arrested, Charged With ‘Changing Votes at E-Voting Machines’< http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7001 > Mar 23 20:42
schestowitz _Hicham_1: which is a good example in your eyes? Mar 23 20:43
_Hicham_1 balzac : I will vote for u to be the president of the US :D Mar 23 20:43
schestowitz I think Finland has the least corruption? Mar 23 20:43
_Hicham_1 Roy : Scandinavian countries Mar 23 20:43
_Hicham_1 Roy : exactly Mar 23 20:43
_Hicham_1 u got it Mar 23 20:43
balzac _Hicham_1: thanks, but I’d prefer to remain in the private sector. Mar 23 20:43
_Hicham_1 there is no better democracy than in Scandinavian countries Mar 23 20:44
balzac Maybe you can help me as an entrepreneur instead. Mar 23 20:44
_Hicham_1 is ur business going well? Mar 23 20:44
balzac www.disruptech.com Mar 23 20:44
balzac Like Steve Ballmer screamed “Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!” Mar 23 20:45
balzac That’s what I need to get my business moving. Mar 23 20:45
_Hicham_1 it is said that MS is developer centric Mar 23 20:46
schestowitz Yes, they rely on developers Mar 23 20:46
_Hicham_1 is that true Roy? Mar 23 20:46
schestowitz Centric means what here? Mar 23 20:47
schestowitz They they rely on free labour Mar 23 20:47
schestowitz And if you succeed like Netscape, then they steal your business Mar 23 20:47
schestowitz “cut the air supply” Mar 23 20:47
schestowitz Developers know to well to stay away from Microsoft.. It’s a predator. Mar 23 20:47
schestowitz They are happy as long as your software increases Microsoft sales, e.g. Windows Mar 23 20:48
_Hicham_1 that means here that it is the developers who take decisions Mar 23 20:48
_Hicham_1 not pure managers Mar 23 20:48
schestowitz Kind of like Bush…. Iraq is cool, as long as it bring home the oil (or bacon) Mar 23 20:48
schestowitz It’s a natural tendency for corporations and nations Mar 23 20:48
schestowitz Nations ARE corporations Mar 23 20:48
_Hicham_1 Iraq is fucked while the world was watching Mar 23 20:49
schestowitz In most modern nations the companies run the nation Mar 23 20:49
schestowitz Adverttise the candidates Mar 23 20:49
schestowitz Linux is Switzerland status Mar 23 20:49
schestowitz Safe for developers Mar 23 20:49
schestowitz Windodw sis not Mar 23 20:49
schestowitz Which is why FOSS devs should be warned about becoming vassals to Windows Mar 23 20:49
_Hicham_1 Roy : Windows is safer for developers Mar 23 20:50
_Hicham_1 it brings a lot of money Mar 23 20:50
schestowitz To whom? Mar 23 20:50
_Hicham_1 to developers Mar 23 20:50
schestowitz There are a lot of competition there. Mar 23 20:50
_Hicham_1 Windows is taking over 95% of the desktop Mar 23 20:50
schestowitz It’s not as though making AutoCAD cross platform would mean less money Mar 23 20:50
schestowitz Not 95% Mar 23 20:50
schestowitz Less than 90% Mar 23 20:50
_Hicham_1 how much? Mar 23 20:51
schestowitz Desktop onlu Mar 23 20:51
_Hicham_1 are u sure? Mar 23 20:51
schestowitz *ly Mar 23 20:51
schestowitz Yes, pretty much so Mar 23 20:51
_Hicham_1 yes, desktop Mar 23 20:51
_Hicham_1 very much Mar 23 20:51
_Hicham_1 so commercial apps will still go Windows Mar 23 20:51
schestowitz GNU/Linux is big in countries other than the US, UK, AU… Mar 23 20:51
schestowitz There’s Wine Mar 23 20:51
_Hicham_1 especially Games Mar 23 20:51
schestowitz Some test it for wine compatibility Mar 23 20:51
schestowitz Consoles Mar 23 20:51
_Hicham_1 not the same performance Mar 23 20:51
schestowitz For games Mar 23 20:51
MinceR consoles suck Mar 23 20:52
schestowitz Yes Mar 23 20:52
schestowitz Like people who spend 100 hrs/wee gaming Mar 23 20:52
_Hicham_1 that is not how game developers are gonna be attracted Mar 23 20:52
balzac _Hicham_1: I’m quite interested in game-development Mar 23 20:53
_Hicham_1 Roy : games and porn are the main uses of computers Mar 23 20:53
_Hicham_1 and u know that Mar 23 20:53
balzac There will be big changes with all the proprietary software and high-end hardware drivers Mar 23 20:53
balzac Games are going to be liberated and it’s going to be a body-blow to Microsoft when that industry reaches the tipping-point towards being based on FOSS. Mar 23 20:54
_Hicham_1 gamers are not very patient Mar 23 20:54
_Hicham_1 not with what is it like today Mar 23 20:54
balzac gamers – I don’t concern myself with the gamers who don’t care about software freedom. Mar 23 20:54
balzac they are the market-share to be harvested from proprietary game companies, but I won’t waste time trying to make them care. I just want to make great games which captivate them. Mar 23 20:55
_Hicham_1 balzac : if we want to combat microsoft , we should concern ourselves about gamers, and movie watchers Mar 23 20:55
_Hicham_1 to captivate people, u must make things easy Mar 23 20:55
balzac but I have lots of ambition and not much else. Mar 23 20:55
_Hicham_1 kinda Ubuntu like Mar 23 20:55
schestowitz French police switch from Windows to Linux < http://apcmag.com/french-police-s… > Mar 23 20:55
_Hicham_1 i know balzac Mar 23 20:56
_Hicham_1 i like ur website by the way Mar 23 20:56
balzac thanks Mar 23 20:56
_Hicham_1 did u design it by urself? Mar 23 20:56
balzac It’s the acquia Marina theme, but I wrote the content and made the slide show you see. Mar 23 20:57
schestowitz _Hicham_1: mint handles media OK. PCLOS likewise Mar 23 20:57
schestowitz So media is not a big issue Mar 23 20:57
schestowitz Myth rather Mar 23 20:57
balzac _Hicham_1: what is your area of expertise? Mar 23 20:57
balzac please msg me about it Mar 23 20:57
_Hicham_1 balzac : i dont have an area exactly Mar 23 20:59
balzac well, let’s discuss briefly anyway Mar 23 20:59
_Hicham_1 balzac : do u use the xmlsitemap module? Mar 23 20:59
balzac not yet Mar 23 20:59
balzac check pm Mar 23 20:59
schestowitz Is Ballmer conceding victory to Linux Netbooks? < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505… > Dumping software = losing Mar 23 21:03
schestowitz There are many rebuttals to a troll article. This is foolish. I personally thinks it’s better not to feed the trolls from IDG. They’ll carry on provoking Firefox users for traffic if you feed them. Mar 23 21:12
schestowitz Another pusher for assimilating all Linux users….. making them more like Windows, so what would be achieved? Centralizing Linux < http://www.workswithu.com/2009/0… > Mar 23 21:22
twitter talk of nationalization, -> “It would possibly be cheaper to nationalize the banks, get new management and sell the assets off, rather than heavily subsidize or bribe asset managers into taking part in this program,” said Windheim, whose firm manages $1.7 billion in assets. “It’s the same managers who got us into the financial mess who are now going to benefit.” Mar 23 21:28
twitter http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pi… Mar 23 21:28
twitter going to look at Ballmer’s defeat Mar 23 21:29
trmanco takes it’s time to load the page :| Mar 23 21:30
trmanco ah, finally Mar 23 21:30
twitter ha ha, Ballmer is wrong on two counts.  First, the supposed $500 for the Apple logo is worth it because the computer works – that’s not something that can be said for Vista. Mar 23 21:31
twitter second, the $500 difference is not visible on M$ laptops anyway.  for that, you have to get a GNU/Linux laptop which also happens to work. Mar 23 21:31
MinceR let’s not get carried away with the superlatives now Mar 23 21:32
MinceR next time you’re going to say that a usable apple product exists Mar 23 21:32
twitter Compare Dell’s luxury laptop to Mac’s Air.  The Dell cost more, but both are $2000 computers Mar 23 21:32
schestowitz KDE4/QT4 client for Identi.ca and twitter: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/s… Mar 23 21:32
twitter Apple makes things that are usable, but not things that are free. Mar 23 21:33
trmanco I have to agree with twitter Mar 23 21:33
schestowitz “It would possibly be cheaper to nationalize the banks, get new management and sell the assets off” http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p… Mar 23 21:34
MinceR comparing a dell to a mac is like trying to decide which piece of turd is better Mar 23 21:35
schestowitz In a way Mar 23 21:35
schestowitz Mac vs PC = cock fight Mar 23 21:35
trmanco lol Mar 23 21:35
schestowitz Addresses nothing about real changes Mar 23 21:35
MinceR i’d specify it more as “windows pc” Mar 23 21:35
schestowitz Like choosing which death Mar 23 21:35
schestowitz Both cocks (roosters) peck at each other Mar 23 21:35
schestowitz And harm users Mar 23 21:36
schestowitz Mocking one another too Mar 23 21:36
schestowitz Bribing politicians Mar 23 21:36
schestowitz Spending billions on imposed stupidity Mar 23 21:36
schestowitz (advertising) Mar 23 21:36
schestowitz Linux doesn’t do this spiel Mar 23 21:36
trmanco and blinding each other Mar 23 21:36
schestowitz And it works really, really well. Mar 23 21:36
twitter sure but the M$ side is completely idiotic because their crap ends up costing more and never works. Mar 23 21:36
twitter Every M$ argument against software freedom is provided better by Apple. Mar 23 21:37
schestowitz roy@baine:~$ uptime Mar 23 21:37
schestowitz 21:17:00 up 56 days, 11:18,  2 users,  load average: 0.28, 0.20, 0.17 Mar 23 21:37
twitter you have reliable power, Roy. Mar 23 21:37
schestowitz Yes, admittedly Mar 23 21:37
trmanco yeah… Mar 23 21:37
schestowitz No need to UPS Mar 23 21:37
twitter my laptops look like that. Mar 23 21:37
trmanco I need to get myself a UPS Mar 23 21:37
schestowitz In certain areas the supply is more erratic for gegraphical reasons Mar 23 21:38
schestowitz Like storms Mar 23 21:38
twitter I have UPS but it only works for an hour or so before I have to put my systems down. Mar 23 21:38
twitter The fault here is ratty utility lines Mar 23 21:38
schestowitz Storms don’t help, do they? Mar 23 21:38
schestowitz It’s hard to keep it in check and rebuild I imagine…. Mar 23 21:39
trmanco yeah, but it’s better than cutting you computer/system power, directly Mar 23 21:39
twitter Out of state contractors were shocked at the poor quality of work they were told to re create after the last hurricane. Mar 23 21:39
trmanco a 15 minute ups system would be great for me Mar 23 21:39
_Hicham_1 trmanco : it is cheap then Mar 23 21:39
twitter It’s really a pain in the ass to have to shell into my boxes and shut them down. Mar 23 21:39
schestowitz Flameheadline: Is Linux only for the poor? <  http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2285 > Mar 23 21:39
_Hicham_1 a 15 min UPS is less than a $100 Mar 23 21:40
trmanco yeah I know Mar 23 21:40
twitter the real benefit is isolating the systems from wild swings as the lines go up and down. Mar 23 21:40
schestowitz I can recall outages in 2006 Mar 23 21:41
schestowitz Usually it uninterrupted for years. Mar 23 21:42
trmanco power in my area sucks, with heavy rain are a little of thunder, the power lines will get unstable Mar 23 21:42
trmanco or* Mar 23 21:42
schestowitz The European Commission replied again today only to confirm that it’s willing to shoot itself in the foot Mar 23 21:46
twitter Chris Dawson …. Windows user writing about GNU/Linux.  Why do magazines do that? Mar 23 21:46
twitter “we still largely use Windows and OS X, despite my fondness for Linux.  We’ve been granted the funding to do so in the last couple of years and my primary goal has been instructional integration of computing, rather than worrying about training for a Linux roll out” Mar 23 21:46
twitter WTF?  Better to do that “training” now than be forced to do it with Vista. Mar 23 21:46
schestowitz They don’t respect their own instructions or directives. Mar 23 21:47
schestowitz twitter: Dawson is OK Mar 23 21:47
schestowitz I used to slam him blindly for a short whole only because I confused him with Marc Wagner Mar 23 21:47
schestowitz They shared the “education” blog Mar 23 21:47
schestowitz There’s a colleague of his who’s a sucker for Microsoft and Linux hater Mar 23 21:48
schestowitz Dawson is kind of fanboyish Mar 23 21:48
twitter I’m not slamming him, only commenting on the fact that the magazine needs to have a GNU/Linux desktop user writing about GNU/Linux Mar 23 21:48
schestowitz Nothing breaking… just jingling Linux banal stuff. Mar 23 21:48
twitter He’s also swallowed the “training” lie. Mar 23 21:48
schestowitz Which? Mar 23 21:48
schestowitz ZDNET? Mar 23 21:49
schestowitz Inherently corrupt Mar 23 21:49
twitter See above quote for training lie, which he’s used for his own planning. Mar 23 21:49
schestowitz The only Linux user they have there AFAIK is Zonker and he’s with MS/Novell Mar 23 21:49
twitter Eeeek! Mar 23 21:49
schestowitz WTF is this site? Mar 23 21:50
schestowitz Ubuntu haters? Mar 23 21:50
schestowitz http://ubuntard.com/2009/03/bl… Mar 23 21:50
schestowitz Ubuntard? Mar 23 21:50
schestowitz It’s a new site Mar 23 21:50
twitter nice Mar 23 21:51
schestowitz http://ubuntard.com/about/ Mar 23 21:51
schestowitz Trolls. Mar 23 21:51
schestowitz Well, I don’t know why Susan fed ‘em Mar 23 21:51
trmanco just rm -fr that Mar 23 21:53
twitter there was a site offering awful Debian Administration advice.  had debian in the url too Mar 23 21:53
schestowitz http://www.christian-loose.de/2009/… “Both features will be available with KDE 4.3. Have fun!” Mar 23 21:53
twitter cool Mar 23 21:54
trmanco http://blog.softwarelivre.sapo.pt/20… Mar 23 22:47
schestowitz OOXML Assim Não! Mar 23 22:50
trmanco :) Mar 23 22:50
trmanco makes perfect sense Mar 23 22:50
trmanco (your phrase) Mar 23 22:51
MinceR gn Mar 23 22:54
trmanco ? Mar 23 22:55
MinceR good night Mar 23 23:02
trmanco ah ok, gn to you too Mar 23 23:04
schestowitz gn=gnome. He’s logging off kde and coming back in a minute Mar 23 23:06
trmanco lol Mar 23 23:11
MinceR :/ Mar 23 23:13
_Hicham_1 OOXML pisses me off Mar 23 23:37
schestowitz Corruption *is* annoying, esp. when others turn a cold shoulder to it Mar 23 23:38
balzac _Hicham_1: why no email? Mar 23 23:48
_Hicham_1 my email? Mar 23 23:54
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