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04.03.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 2nd, 2009 – Part 4

Posted in IRC Logs at 3:48 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz http://www.just-international.org/ar… “As the shock of the global credit crunch subsides, the next phase inevitably kicks-in: steeply rising unemployment and growing domestic political pressure for a return to protectionism. As the global economic hangover hits home, the world’s nations, like a bunch of recalcitrant teenagers, sink into their morose, self-centred protectionist sulks. “ Apr 02 17:35
schestowitz ToreadorVampire: that’s the power of vendor lockin Apr 02 17:35
ToreadorVampire In fact – it wasn’t until I switched job roles/employers that I started getting involved in free software – mainly because I could use free software as a drop-in replacement without impacting others around me Apr 02 17:36
ToreadorVampire schestowitz> Well – I can’t feel like Microsoft had a hand in that – we as a school chose what was best for us – we did that without any word from Microsoft – and that was having solved all of the “vendor problems” – we had solutions for opening/working with MS Word docs and such (that the students would have created at home and brought into the school) … Apr 02 17:37
ToreadorVampire … but a large-scale change like that was just not possible, and we found it very hard to form a strong argument for creating an experimental suite of Linux machines for a gradual change Apr 02 17:38
ToreadorVampire Since we were only a high school, and the level of IT we were teaching did not require the need for knowledge of non-MS systems – so it was impossible to convince the upper management that they should sign on the dotted line for that Apr 02 17:39
ToreadorVampire But yeah … maybe that will be revisited someday … especially with WinVista/Win7 around Apr 02 17:41
ToreadorVampire And maybe that school will eventually switch Apr 02 17:41
ToreadorVampire It’s not just the teachers that need retraining – the IT support staff too Apr 02 17:41
ToreadorVampire At the college where I used to work after that (where I first started playing with free software) the IT techs knew nothing about *nix Apr 02 17:41
ToreadorVampire The dba was the only guy that knew anything about it Apr 02 17:42
schestowitz yes, the UK is well behind in that regard Apr 02 17:44
schestowitz Compared to Brazil or Germany Apr 02 17:44
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schestowitz Got distracted by: BBC Trust Says Licence Fee For Online TV Is Unclear http://www.paidcontent.co.uk/entry/419-… Apr 02 17:44
schestowitz Funny how TV licensing keeps bother people without a TV set. Guilty until cleared… Apr 02 17:45
schestowitz There’s no next life ;-)  < http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/…  > Second chance at Life Apr 02 17:47
ToreadorVampire Yeah – that would be very difficult to police – especially since no special equipment required to watch video on PC Apr 02 17:47
schestowitz This one is strange.. Harvard P2P lawyer: file-swapping is fair use—no, really! <  http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/ne… > Apr 02 17:48
schestowitz ToreadorVampire: online TV is not taxable Apr 02 17:48
schestowitz A lot of it is peer-produced Apr 02 17:49
ToreadorVampire Oh yes, but I refer to things like BBC iPlayer etc Apr 02 17:49
schestowitz The idea of taxing CDs for MAFIAA, taxing TV for the Beeb  and others makes you wonder if the public will also start funding newspapers and brainwash Apr 02 17:49
schestowitz iPlayer was a saga of corruption involving Microsoft, so I won’t touch it Apr 02 17:50
schestowitz I hope YouTube and such services defeat it Apr 02 17:50
schestowitz iPlayer is not read-write, not peer-produced content Apr 02 17:50
schestowitz It’s content that’s imposed from above, i.e. back to read-onlu Apr 02 17:50
ToreadorVampire Well, erm, yeah … but we won’t see that going away for a LONG time I don’t think – perhaps not even in our lifetimes Apr 02 17:51
ToreadorVampire If media companies couldn’t monetise the creation of big-budget productions then they would stop making them Apr 02 17:52
ToreadorVampire And they monetise them by selling them to big broadcasters like TV networks and record companies and such … Apr 02 17:53
ToreadorVampire Unless someone can come up with a business model where big-budget productions can be broadcast without need for television networks (and still justify their cost to produce) then that kind of stuff won’t go away Apr 02 17:55
ToreadorVampire We’re up against change again of course – change of technology hitting business models Apr 02 17:55
ToreadorVampire Today, the act of ripping a DVD video to hard disk and sharing it over the Internet is pretty much cost-free Apr 02 17:56
ToreadorVampire So the price tags on legitimate channels of purchasing media are an artificial way of justifying the cost of making those productions .. Apr 02 17:57
ToreadorVampire … but nobody has come up with a non-artificial way of doing it yet Apr 02 17:57
ToreadorVampire Some day we are going to hit a point where “information is free”, all information – including music/video/everything – because the technology demands it – and things like DRM just plain don’t work Apr 02 17:58
ToreadorVampire But oh well … Apr 02 17:58
ToreadorVampire I’m interested to see where it goes – but I can’t really campaign for/against things, because I can’t suggest a viable alternative/solution to the problem Apr 02 17:59
schestowitz It’s conceivable that big media will go Apr 02 17:59
schestowitz In our lifetime Apr 02 17:59
schestowitz Digital media and the net killed many things Apr 02 17:59
schestowitz For the better Apr 02 17:59
ToreadorVampire schestowitz> Mmm, I doubt it – the trends are in the opposite direction at the moment Apr 02 17:59
schestowitz Like some paper publications Apr 02 17:59
ToreadorVampire Movies are going bigger-budget Apr 02 17:59
ToreadorVampire Paper publications, yeah – they were doomed Apr 02 18:00
ToreadorVampire But for all of the Ryan vs Dorkman videos that appear, people are going to crave better Apr 02 18:00
schestowitz ToreadorVampire: what is this trend? Apr 02 18:00
schestowitz Oh, I see. Apr 02 18:00
schestowitz Well, bigger budget? Apr 02 18:00
schestowitz Are you sure? Apr 02 18:00
schestowitz Some people still go to cinemas to escape reality Apr 02 18:01
schestowitz But the media companies get poorer Apr 02 18:01
ToreadorVampire schestowitz> Oh, it feels like it – I mean, I don’t have numbers to back that up – but it feels that way Apr 02 18:01
schestowitz People turn to other video too. Apr 02 18:01
schestowitz The numbers for 2009 won’t back you, I think Apr 02 18:01
schestowitz In fact, MAFIAA fired many employees Apr 02 18:01
schestowitz 20% I think Apr 02 18:01
schestowitz Both branches: MPAA and RIAA Apr 02 18:01
ToreadorVampire Heh, the numbers for ANY company in 2009 won’t back anyone :) Apr 02 18:02
schestowitz Digital media dies too BTW Apr 02 18:02
schestowitz Like online papers Apr 02 18:02
schestowitz Some new ones emerge Apr 02 18:02
schestowitz ToreadorVampire: yes, all is down, but people are stil left with time in their hands Apr 02 18:02
ToreadorVampire And – people like actors do have skills that they should be paid to share, and better actors should be paid more … so – mmm – I do think that “big media” will survive – just not in its current form Apr 02 18:02
ToreadorVampire I think that what will change is that “things that are free in real terms” will eventually have to become free in their price Apr 02 18:04
ToreadorVampire Because as long as media companies charge money for things that could have been produced/replicated freely, the system will fail to work … Apr 02 18:04
ToreadorVampire And as much as they try to use DRM or lock-in or litigation to prevent that, “the population” will take the path of least resistance Apr 02 18:05
ToreadorVampire It’s what people have always done Apr 02 18:05
schestowitz Peer Producing Human Rights < http://irevolution.wordpress.com/20… > Apr 02 18:05
schestowitz Second Life Lives Behind a Firewall < https://blogs.secondlife.com/community… > Apr 02 18:07
schestowitz The OSI blog links to us quite extensively. That’s flattering. Apr 02 18:12
schestowitz I’ve only just noticed Apr 02 18:12
ToreadorVampire Right Apr 02 18:18
ToreadorVampire Enough of this Apr 02 18:18
ToreadorVampire Best get some work done :) Apr 02 18:18
schestowitz Look how funding (in general) took a dive: http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/… Apr 02 18:19
schestowitz Bad time for small companies. Apr 02 18:20
schestowitz bbl Apr 02 18:25
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Balrog schestowitz: you around? Apr 02 20:28
Balrog IMPORTANT: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.p… Apr 02 20:28
Balrog “Microsoft Open Sources ASP.NET MVC” under the MS-PL Apr 02 20:29
Balrog anyone? Apr 02 20:30
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schestowitz Balrog: just PR Apr 02 20:37
schestowitz GPL enemy… ms-pl is a Trojan horse. Apr 02 20:37
Balrog ms-pl is gpl-incompatible, but not the worst license I’ve seen Apr 02 20:39
schestowitz It’s not about the icense Apr 02 20:39
schestowitz it’s about them trying to confuse people Apr 02 20:40
Balrog true. Apr 02 20:40
schestowitz Cue Miguel to shout “go go Microsoft” in Tirania after ignoring the TomTom thing altogether Apr 02 20:40
Balrog you can’t use it with GPL, and the redistribution provisions mess it up Apr 02 20:40
schestowitz Yes Apr 02 20:40
schestowitz To screw GNU/Linux pools Apr 02 20:40
schestowitz I wrote about it 2 weeks ago Apr 02 20:40
schestowitz brb Apr 02 20:40
Balrog yes. GNU/Linux can’t use it. Apr 02 20:41
Balrog (well it can, but not with GPL or BSD licensed code) Apr 02 20:41
Balrog which defeats the purpose Apr 02 20:41
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schestowitz That’s the idea. Apr 02 20:56
schestowitz IDG gets its knickers twisted: “Continuing, recently I was irked by the following article: Multicore chips pose next big challenge for industry. My response to the IDG News Service writer, Do ya think? May I suggest a better headline Multicore chips pose the biggest most monumental and grandest challenge ever to the entire industry.” http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7278/ Apr 02 21:00
schestowitz Balrog: I’ll do a post tomorrow about Microsoft pseudopen-souuce. I actually have 3 separate new exhibits, yours being one Apr 02 21:02
schestowitz I spoke too soon. MS de Icaza has already done MS PR: http://tirania.org/blog/archiv… Apr 02 21:05
Balrog I see. Apr 02 21:12
schestowitz see coments in http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php… Apr 02 21:17
schestowitz Good comments Apr 02 21:17
Balrog so what’s your final rating on that RMS talk? Apr 02 21:19
schestowitz It was underwhelming Apr 02 21:22
schestowitz I’ve seen better ones, also in real life Apr 02 21:22
schestowitz And he was crabby that day Apr 02 21:22
Balrog I see. Apr 02 21:24
Balrog it’s going up anyway. Apr 02 21:25
schestowitz Good, so I can link to it ultimately Apr 02 21:25
Balrog yes. Apr 02 21:26
Balrog don’t link right now; I need to find a fast server :) Apr 02 21:26
Balrog and get the filtered / higher-quality version up Apr 02 21:27
schestowitz The shills of Microsoft are pressing on the European Commission. Did they bribe them with that “innovation day”? … to buy new laws? http://blog.actonline.org/2009/03/le… Apr 02 21:27
Balrog (filtered meaning with video filters to improve deinterlacing quality) Apr 02 21:27
schestowitz What a sickening think lobbying is. Apr 02 21:27
schestowitz Balrog: use CDN Apr 02 21:27
schestowitz Submit to /. Apr 02 21:27
Balrog the school wants to host it. Apr 02 21:27
schestowitz 1.5gbx10k Apr 02 21:27
Balrog I just have to find a fast server here Apr 02 21:27
Balrog what CDN? Apr 02 21:27
schestowitz like Akamai Apr 02 21:28
schestowitz or CORAL Apr 02 21:28
schestowitz Think of mirrors Apr 02 21:28
Balrog we don’t have $$$ Apr 02 21:28
Balrog I know Apr 02 21:28
schestowitz Sure you do Apr 02 21:28
Balrog lack of funds doesn’t provide many options Apr 02 21:28
Balrog no, the other departments get it Apr 02 21:28
schestowitz CMU is Ivy League Apr 02 21:28
Balrog there are TWO computer departments here Apr 02 21:28
schestowitz AFAIK, for science Apr 02 21:28
Balrog I’m not CMU Apr 02 21:28
schestowitz I met some people from there in Viginia Apr 02 21:29
schestowitz OK Apr 02 21:29
Balrog host <my-ip> to find out Apr 02 21:29
Balrog I’m not hiding it Apr 02 21:29
schestowitz Yes, I know Apr 02 21:29
schestowitz Futile are the attempts to stay hidden these days. Apr 02 21:30
Balrog CMU gives away the software based on silverlight for video streaming Apr 02 21:30
Balrog yes. Apr 02 21:30
Balrog I don’t try Apr 02 21:30
Balrog I could use TOR if I wanted to Apr 02 21:30
schestowitz I’m trying to find the ogg-hosting site Apr 02 21:31
schestowitz I can’t recall its name Apr 02 21:32
Balrog if you link it, there probably will be a lot of traffic Apr 02 21:32
Balrog oh, it’s OK to redistribute non-commercially without modifications once I have the final up Apr 02 21:33
schestowitz http://www.oggfrog.com/music… Apr 02 21:33
Balrog the one you have right now is a preview that’s not properly encoded. Apr 02 21:33
schestowitz How about torrents? Apr 02 21:33
Balrog stream first Apr 02 21:33
Balrog as I said, it’s ok to redist once the final is out Apr 02 21:33
Balrog actually not non-commercial Apr 02 21:34
Balrog just CC Attribution No Derivatives Apr 02 21:34
schestowitz zoobab01: missing links @ http://www.digitalmajority.org/foru… Apr 02 21:37
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schestowitz http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/2009/0… “During the workshop it was Charles Schulz of Ars Aperta who articulated this frustration among SMEs as RAND referring to “RANDom licensing at the sight of competitors.” In his presentation, Schulz also pointed out that (F)RAND terms are discriminating against free software. Even RAND terms linked to zer Apr 02 21:41
schestowitz o royalties, the so-called RF-on-RAND (”Royalty Free on RAND”), RAND-RF (”RAND Royalty Free”) or RAND-Z (”RAND with Zero royalties”) can exhibit the same problems if they do not permit sublicensing, for instance. Apr 02 21:41
schestowitz Free software (aka Open Source, FOSS or FLOSS) is a software model defined by a high level of user control over the software in combination with far-reaching freedoms to inspect the source code, to study and innovate upon the software. In particular, it is based on the principle that every living person and every legal entity can be a user, developer, distributor, or any combination of the above. Only conditions which permit this t Apr 02 21:41
schestowitz o take place are acceptable to free software…” Apr 02 21:41
schestowitz http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbc… “The application “was filed in error and will be withdrawn,” said IBM spokesman Steve Malkiewicz.” Sounds like they are lying. Applications don’t just file themselves. They got caught Apr 02 21:50
schestowitz “Leaders of the world’s largest economies struck a closed-door deal late Tuesday to create an international court for intellectual property litigation in a move sources said they deemed a best effort to turn back global economic demise.” http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/2009/04/… Globalisation of anti-Free software laws Apr 02 21:51
schestowitz Oh, wait. It is a joke. Apr 02 21:53
schestowitz “The court is seen by WIPO as an extension of its work with the treaties, and the agreement comes at a critical time for WIPO, which has not completed negotiations on a new treaty in years. “This fits with a growth strategy during the downturn,” said WIPO’s Charle Latan. “Litigation.”” Apr 02 21:53
schestowitz zoobab01: did you see this? Apr 02 21:53
schestowitz Yes, it’s a joke, “Prof. Dr. Dr. jur. Wilhelm Neu is also among the contenders, as is the Eastern jurist Dun Kan Buc Nel.” Apr 02 21:54
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schestowitz http://www.garyreback.com/book.html  “Free the Market! provides a riveting, inside look at the ways big companies have gradually recovered their market-dominating powers – damaging consumer welfare, entrenching industry incumbents, and making life miserable for entrepreneurs in the process.” Apr 02 22:00
schestowitz Slashdot is fiddling with injurious speculation: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slash… They also feed anti-Linux IDG junk :-| Apr 02 22:08
benJIman You’d never find injurious speculation on boycott novell. Apr 02 22:09
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schestowitz More April Foolishness <  http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/35533 > Apr 02 22:23
schestowitz TomTom Buys Microsoft < http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2009/04/0… > Apr 02 22:23
oiaohm http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/N…  EVO is almost into the console market Apr 02 22:26
oiaohm This is the problem MS has there soon will not be a market that they are in that Linux does not have at least some market share. Apr 02 22:26
oiaohm http://linux-foundation.org/weblogs/…  Interesting. Apr 02 22:30
schestowitz Yes, a little weird Apr 02 22:30
oiaohm Its the Linux foundation branching out. Apr 02 22:30
oiaohm Have you been watching the list of features not included in the Linux kernel I guess not. Apr 02 22:31
oiaohm They are rapidly heading to zero. Apr 02 22:31
oiaohm So all that is left outside the main line are features with secuirty problems. Apr 02 22:32
oiaohm Basically what does the Linux foundation do with itself when the kernel is basically complete. Apr 02 22:32
schestowitz They have linux.com with proposals Apr 02 22:33
schestowitz There’s always something worth rewriting Apr 02 22:33
oiaohm Linux.com was one of there first major branch outs. Apr 02 22:33
oiaohm sourceforge is also doing the same with the take over of freshmeat.net Apr 02 22:34
oiaohm I think the time of the great Linux merge is on us. Apr 02 22:34
MinceR resistance is futile? Apr 02 22:34
MinceR who’s going to merge with whom? Apr 02 22:34
oiaohm MinceR: remember the Linux Foundation has full power to control who uses the Linux trademark. Apr 02 22:35
MinceR i didn’t know that Apr 02 22:35
MinceR has Linus sold it to them or something? Apr 02 22:35
schestowitz It’s true Apr 02 22:35
schestowitz All the “Linux” sites use trademarks Apr 02 22:35
oiaohm Linus is part of the Linux foundation. Apr 02 22:36
oiaohm He is full time employeed by them. Apr 02 22:36
MinceR what if they fire him? Apr 02 22:36
schestowitz Troll headline: Is Linux Bad for the Economy? < http://itmanagement.earthweb.com… > Apr 02 22:36
schestowitz Like Mandriva fires Gael Apr 02 22:37
oiaohm The Linux foundation was created to pay Linus MinceR Apr 02 22:37
MinceR but once it owns the trademark, it can be hijacked Apr 02 22:38
MinceR can’t it? Apr 02 22:38
oiaohm Linux.com was not in a place to prevent Linux foundation take over. Apr 02 22:38
oiaohm Under current day domain internet domain laws if you hold the trademark you can push people off the domian if they don’t hold the trademark. Apr 02 22:39
schestowitz Bill Beebe, like Beranger, lied. Apr 02 22:41
schestowitz Neither left GNU/Linux. http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2… Apr 02 22:41
oiaohm They did. Apr 02 22:41
oiaohm They did not find Windows a happy home for some reason. Apr 02 22:42
schestowitz Well, duh. Apr 02 22:42
schestowitz Neighbour’s lawn often seems greener from afar Apr 02 22:42
oiaohm Exacly the same old human error. Apr 02 22:42
oiaohm Just like the reverse of thinking you lawn is the best without correctly comparing. Apr 02 22:43
schestowitz Something breaks, so you assume the solution is to move Apr 02 22:43
schestowitz Like… your Red Hat server is down for 10 minutes, so the only solution you can think of is moving to Windows hosting Apr 02 22:43
schestowitz Then you play ping-pong and realise that nothing is flawless. Apr 02 22:44
oiaohm http://moblin.org/projects/fast-boot  << One of moblin key projects. Apr 02 22:44
oiaohm 5 second boot times. Apr 02 22:44
schestowitz Fedora 11 beta bares chest to all-comers < http://www.theregister.co.uk… >. F11 is tempting Apr 02 22:45
schestowitz oiaohm: not good enough Apr 02 22:45
schestowitz ARM is more energy efficient Apr 02 22:45
schestowitz Can run all day AND cheaper Apr 02 22:45
schestowitz No x86 Apr 02 22:45
schestowitz Linux-only.. Apr 02 22:45
oiaohm 5 second boot time is for all cpu types. Apr 02 22:45
schestowitz Google Rumored To Be Breaking Up With Firefox < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2… > Apr 02 22:45
schestowitz oiaohm: ah, Okay Apr 02 22:46
oiaohm So no more devices taking 10 days to start up. Apr 02 22:46
oiaohm Ok that is kinda over scaled. Apr 02 22:46
MinceR well, duh, they’re pushing chrome now Apr 02 22:46
oiaohm http://www.youtube.com/wa…  << Now remove bios from question. Apr 02 22:47
MinceR gn Apr 02 22:48
schestowitz MinceR: of course, that was pretty predictable. Apr 02 22:48
PeterKraus schestowitz: date of publish – 1st of april Apr 02 22:49
oiaohm http://moblin.org/projects/appl…  Other key thing they are working on closing down the advantage BSD has with jails. Apr 02 22:51
oiaohm Taking over moblin to prevent neglect has lots of valid reasons for the long term of Linux. Apr 02 22:52
schestowitz PeterFA: probably bound to happen though Apr 02 22:52
MinceR bsd lost that advantage ages ago. Apr 02 22:54
schestowitz Heh. Raptor mode for Lancelot < http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/… > Apr 02 22:56
oiaohm trusted platform module support is going into 2.6.30 Apr 02 22:58
oiaohm Now that is going to be nasty users could get locked out of altering some linux systems by it. Apr 02 22:58
schestowitz Oh oh.. Apr 02 23:01
schestowitz IBM’s idea, right? Apr 02 23:01
schestowitz TPM.. Apr 02 23:01
oiaohm Yep Apr 02 23:01
schestowitz F* IBM Apr 02 23:01
schestowitz They try to turn Linux into an OS/2 they wanted… Apr 02 23:01
schestowitz oiaohm: got link about this? Apr 02 23:01
oiaohm But it means out of major secuirty stuff to merge there is only 2 bits left. Apr 02 23:01
schestowitz I never heard about it merged into Linux, but seen something around 2007 in Linux Electrons about intent Apr 02 23:02
oiaohm http://beta.linuxfoundation.o…  << Linux Weather forcast. Apr 02 23:02
oiaohm The two items that are missing from 2.6.30 is Apparmor(No real loss there)  and Real time virus scanning support Apr 02 23:03
oiaohm After that Linux security framework will be basically complete. Apr 02 23:03
oiaohm Low-level support for object storage devices  << I guess you don’t understand what this means as well. Apr 02 23:04
schestowitz This guy complains endlessly about Linux… I don’t get it…. also a BN critic… http://blog.ibeentoubuntu.com/2009/0… Apr 02 23:05
schestowitz oiaohm: thanks. Apr 02 23:05
schestowitz Any artticle covering the TPM bit? Apr 02 23:05
schestowitz Are they doing a ‘submarine’ development? Apr 02 23:05
oiaohm There is a link off that page to the one and only artical talking about it, Apr 02 23:06
schestowitz As in, develop secretly and add it before people have a chance to protest the dev/merge? Apr 02 23:06
oiaohm Other than that you have to dig through mailing lists. Apr 02 23:06
oiaohm Yes very much submarine development. Apr 02 23:06
oiaohm As with most IBM patches to the Linux kernel. Apr 02 23:06
schestowitz This? -> “Support for integrity management in the kernel has been merged.  This code makes use of the trusted platform module (TPM) built into many systems to ensure that the system’s files (including its executable software) have not been corrupted, maliciously or otherwise.” Apr 02 23:06
oiaohm Yep that is TPM. Apr 02 23:07
oiaohm Not the otherwise Apr 02 23:07
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schestowitz Integrity management in the kernel < http://lwn.net/Articles/227937/ > Apr 02 23:07
oiaohm Note the otherwise Apr 02 23:07
schestowitz Sounds like confusion Apr 02 23:07
schestowitz Let me see… Apr 02 23:07
oiaohm Yep.  Only artical on it. Apr 02 23:07
_Hicham_ Hi folks Apr 02 23:07
schestowitz Hi, _Hicham_ Apr 02 23:07
_Hicham_ schestowitz : are u still upset? Apr 02 23:07
schestowitz “Kernel lockdown.. … and so, in spite of the protestations of kernel developers, GPLv3 becomes more and more attractive … “ Apr 02 23:08
schestowitz _Hicham_: I was never upset Apr 02 23:08
_Hicham_ how r u doing oiaohm? Apr 02 23:09
schestowitz Just couldn’t respond quickly because I was processing links (news) at the time Apr 02 23:09
oiaohm Find _Hicham_ Apr 02 23:09
_Hicham_ u didn’t come yesterday Apr 02 23:09
_Hicham_ were u busy? Apr 02 23:09
oiaohm Most people don’t get the other thing on the linux weather forcast and its long term effects  Low-level support for object storage devices Apr 02 23:10
oiaohm I was busy _Hicham_ Apr 02 23:10
oiaohm I was on yesterday just at night my time. Apr 02 23:10
oiaohm Low-level support for object storage devices allows storage devices to have inbuild access controls.  Since each object is basically a file. Apr 02 23:11
_Hicham_ so it is oiwhm = ok i wasn’t over here man Apr 02 23:11
Balrog_ hello again Apr 02 23:11
_Hicham_ hello Balrog_ Apr 02 23:11
oiaohm Adds new meaning to password protected/drm protected files. Apr 02 23:12
oiaohm Basically Linux is slowly become the most secure OS kernel on earth.  Problem that level of secuirty can be used for good or evil. Apr 02 23:13
Balrog_ does anyone know of a good VPS with at least 1TB of storage that is reasonably priced? Apr 02 23:13
oiaohm 1TB is a lot. Apr 02 23:16
Balrog_ yes … maybe 100GB would do Apr 02 23:16
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schestowitz Could Linus have known something about DRM when rejecting GPLv3? Apr 02 23:20
Balrog_ explain…. Apr 02 23:20
oiaohm Yes he did schestowitz Apr 02 23:20
schestowitz I mean, look how he said that he “*likes* vivoization” (and I quote) Apr 02 23:20
schestowitz oiaohm: how do you know? Apr 02 23:20
oiaohm It was one of the main reasons for the rejection in the Linux kernel mailing list. Apr 02 23:21
schestowitz Linux is getting Tivo-like functionality built in, AFAICT Apr 02 23:21
schestowitz Change binary, won’t run Apr 02 23:21
oiaohm Add in object based storage devices. Apr 02 23:21
schestowitz That’s simply a case of Linux mainline taking away the freedom using the loophole devicsed by TiVo Apr 02 23:21
oiaohm Removing storage device still might give you narda. Apr 02 23:21
schestowitz *devised Apr 02 23:21
oiaohm Problem is there are devices where TiVo style secuirty is needed. Apr 02 23:22
oiaohm Like you don’t want people tampering with electronic voting systems. Apr 02 23:23
oiaohm As I said there is good and bad to it. Apr 02 23:23
oiaohm Good for very particular uses.  You really do want to be able to inspect the source code of a electronic voting machine to make sure it is not stuffed up. Apr 02 23:24
oiaohm You also don’t want people tampering with it. Apr 02 23:24
oiaohm If you look around you can find other valid uses of the tech. Apr 02 23:24
schestowitz http://www.prwatch.org/node/8316 Apr 02 23:25
schestowitz As the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) turns 60 and some ask why the Cold War alliance still exists, NATO is launching new media and public relations efforts. The NewsMarket, an online source of b-roll and video news release footage, is providing NATO-produced videos to journalists.” Apr 02 23:25
oiaohm Problem is I would bet almost all the money I have that it will be abused to harm users. Apr 02 23:25
schestowitz It can restrict copying Apr 02 23:26
schestowitz Like proper DRM Apr 02 23:26
schestowitz Put in the wrong hands Apr 02 23:26
schestowitz http://www.prwatch.org/node/8315 “The proposed legislation to have the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulate tobacco is “window-dressing masquerading as legislation,” according to Alan Blum, M.D., director of the University of Alabama Center for the Study of Tobacco and Society.” Apr 02 23:26
oiaohm Its very much like a gun. Apr 02 23:26
schestowitz On the shelf. Apr 02 23:26
oiaohm A gun can save people from harm but most times it does the exact other direction. Apr 02 23:27
schestowitz Big deal for Red Hat.. http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/… Apr 02 23:28
oiaohm Both techs could make the likes of android uncrackable. Apr 02 23:28
schestowitz Hackable? Apr 02 23:28
oiaohm Think about it object based storage. Apr 02 23:28
oiaohm It can require a codes to access every single file on the disk to alter them. Apr 02 23:29
oiaohm Not only locked out from running but locked out from the storage media as well. Apr 02 23:29
oiaohm TPM basically could be holding the key to the storage media. Apr 02 23:30
oiaohm uncrackable in my sence of data recovery schestowitz Apr 02 23:30
oiaohm I don’t care about running the item.  Just getting the data out of it. Apr 02 23:31
schestowitz I see…… Apr 02 23:31
oiaohm Really well built DRM. Apr 02 23:32
_Hicham_ that would ease ur job or make it worse? Apr 02 23:32
oiaohm Make it worse Apr 02 23:32
oiaohm I would most likely have to move to reversing chips. Apr 02 23:32
oiaohm And other means of breaking devices open. Apr 02 23:33
_Hicham_ wow Apr 02 23:33
_Hicham_ u would be a real cracker then Apr 02 23:33
oiaohm Also make data recovery way more expensive. Apr 02 23:33
_Hicham_ and that might be illegal Apr 02 23:33
oiaohm What I do is legal here. Apr 02 23:33
oiaohm If you own the data I am allowed to go after it. Apr 02 23:33
_Hicham_ they could be put in jail for recovering protected data Apr 02 23:33
oiaohm Not here.  Law is very clear on it. Apr 02 23:34
_Hicham_ that would be oiaijm = ok i am in jail man Apr 02 23:34
oiaohm Cracking encryption and systems is permited here as long as you have formal approval. Apr 02 23:34
oiaohm From the owner of the device you are attacking. Apr 02 23:35
_Hicham_ yes Apr 02 23:35
_Hicham_ that is what i mean Apr 02 23:35
_Hicham_ maybe it is google who will attack u Apr 02 23:35
_Hicham_ what will u do with google then? Apr 02 23:35
oiaohm Now if I recovery items that along the way that own to other parties by the law it bad luck. Apr 02 23:35
oiaohm As long is it was not my goal to get at that data. Apr 02 23:36
_Hicham_ u should be careful Apr 02 23:36
_Hicham_ so that u stay oiaohm Apr 02 23:36
_Hicham_ and not oiaijm Apr 02 23:36
oiaohm I have done almost everything a IT office could do legally at different times. Apr 02 23:37
oiaohm That includes lots of things people think are 100 percent illegal. Apr 02 23:37
_Hicham_ like breaking into schestowitz computer? Apr 02 23:38
oiaohm I would need schestowitz approval for that. Apr 02 23:38
schestowitz “I would love to hear a little more Linux and Open Source News on the Show.” http://www.cnet.com/8301-1145… wishful thinking at CNET Apr 02 23:38
oiaohm If I had it doing a secuirty test on his computer would be above board. Apr 02 23:38
oiaohm Ie secuirty test=If I can break my way into it. Apr 02 23:39
oiaohm There is very little you cannot do legally in it with the right paper work _Hicham_ Apr 02 23:39
oiaohm Most annoying one is you cannot legally kill some one ever. Apr 02 23:40
oiaohm Ok you can but you have to join the army. Apr 02 23:40
oiaohm Or police force or some other approve group. Apr 02 23:41
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_Hicham_ but I can kill schestowitz if I want Apr 02 23:41
_Hicham_ I have a friend working as Hitman in the UK Apr 02 23:41
_Hicham_ but schestowitz is an old friend Apr 02 23:41
_Hicham_ that is why I can’t kill him Apr 02 23:42
_Hicham_ I rather send an army to protect him Apr 02 23:42
oiaohm Using hitmen is not legal. Apr 02 23:43
_Hicham_ I can’t kill u too oiaohm Apr 02 23:43
_Hicham_ why? Apr 02 23:43
_Hicham_ who will no? Apr 02 23:43
oiaohm To intelegance groups. Apr 02 23:43
oiaohm Yes the evils of diplomatic protection. Apr 02 23:44
oiaohm There is basically very little you cannot do in this world if you have the right appovals. Apr 02 23:45
oiaohm getting the approvals to kill me or schestowitz would be extreamlly hard. Apr 02 23:45
oiaohm Basically we are not important enough to be worth it. Apr 02 23:46
_Hicham_ I can prove it Apr 02 23:48
_Hicham_ both of u are very dangerous Apr 02 23:48
_Hicham_ very dangerous Apr 02 23:48
_Hicham_ :D Apr 02 23:48
oiaohm It more ways than you know _Hicham_ Apr 02 23:48
oiaohm It/in Apr 02 23:48
Balrog_ the thing is that it’s very obvious. Apr 02 23:48
oiaohm There is advantage to doing data recovery. Apr 02 23:49
oiaohm You know lots of important people. Apr 02 23:49
_Hicham_ that is why u r dangerous Apr 02 23:49
_Hicham_ u know a lot Apr 02 23:49
oiaohm Could be more dangerous dead than a live. Apr 02 23:50
oiaohm More likely for the information to leak from my backups if I am dead. Apr 02 23:50
_Hicham_ that is true Apr 02 23:51
_Hicham_ I would take those backups and sell them Apr 02 23:51
_Hicham_ that way, I will get a lot of money Apr 02 23:51
oiaohm And end up dead. Apr 02 23:52
_Hicham_ why? Apr 02 23:52
_Hicham_ I will run away Apr 02 23:52
oiaohm Because want reason would they not have to kill you for revenge. Apr 02 23:52
_Hicham_ I won’t sell it there Apr 02 23:52
oiaohm Very unlikely that anyone would get approval to kill me the risks out way rewards. Apr 02 23:53
_Hicham_ I will sell it for the russians for example Apr 02 23:53
_Hicham_ or for China Apr 02 23:53
oiaohm I have done data recovery for all kinds of people and countries _Hicham_ Apr 02 23:53
oiaohm Wrong place still dead. Apr 02 23:54
_Hicham_ I will sell it for aliens then Apr 02 23:55
oiaohm schestowitz is protected the other way he would be missed.  Massively missed and bring a lot of questions. Apr 02 23:55
Balrog_ schestowitz: I’ve already seen some DNS trouble today Apr 02 23:56
_Hicham_ Balrog_ : is that related to Conficker? Apr 02 23:56
oiaohm DNS trouble is to be predicted. Apr 02 23:57
Balrog_ I wouldn’t be surprised if it is. Apr 02 23:57
Balrog_ I have no proof thouh Apr 02 23:57
Balrog_ though Apr 02 23:57
oiaohm Running heavly level network scanning is not without it costs. Apr 02 23:57
Balrog_ just  that many web sites don’t work anymore from certain DNS Apr 02 23:57
Balrog_ is OpenDNS blocking Conficker’s scans? Apr 02 23:57
oiaohm Lot of networks are still on red alert. Apr 02 23:57
oiaohm Yes opendns are blocking Conficker attempted points. Apr 02 23:58
oiaohm Basically the complete internet is still on red alert. Apr 02 23:58
oiaohm Hopefully fairly soon it will be able to return to status normal. Apr 02 23:59
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