04.10.09
IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 9th, 2009 – Part 1
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| __boo | and some other channels | Apr 09 00:00 |
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| __boo | and even asked freenode support whether they should behave like that | Apr 09 00:00 |
| __boo | they said: yeah… it’s freenode… so we unban you… but dude, wtf? they’re our ops | Apr 09 00:01 |
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| MinceR | i’ve seen privilege by an oper on this network already | Apr 09 00:02 |
| __boo | lol | Apr 09 00:02 |
| MinceR | but i’ve got to go now, it’s late. | Apr 09 00:02 |
| __boo | it’s like in every other network | Apr 09 00:02 |
| MinceR | s/privilege/privilege abuse/ | Apr 09 00:02 |
| __boo | lol | Apr 09 00:03 |
| MinceR | see, i need sleep | Apr 09 00:03 |
| __boo | IN EVERY network it’s like that | Apr 09 00:03 |
| MinceR | it would seem so  |
Apr 09 00:03 |
| __boo | and i’m just trying to show people that these abuses are too much here | Apr 09 00:03 |
| __boo | but they don’t learn | Apr 09 00:03 |
| __boo | even though i can get connected every time i want | Apr 09 00:03 |
| __boo | even though i’m banned or klined or smth | Apr 09 00:04 |
| Balrog_ | hello again | Apr 09 00:04 |
| __boo | those western people are just like slaves… | Apr 09 00:06 |
| __boo | one got killed | Apr 09 00:06 |
| __boo | the others just lick the ass | Apr 09 00:06 |
| __boo | some even try to maintain the rules | Apr 09 00:06 |
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| __boo | right^ | Apr 09 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | This channel attracts a lot of vocal hates :-S | Apr 09 00:29 |
| schestowitz | *Haters I mean | Apr 09 00:29 |
| tessier_ | Don’t be hatin’ | Apr 09 00:31 |
| schestowitz | gn | Apr 09 00:37 |
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| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009… Now that is a goal and a half. | Apr 09 00:51 |
| oiaohm | http://www.osnews.com/story/21279/Acer_Pre… World is changing. | Apr 09 01:04 |
| oiaohm | http://www.osnews.com/story/21280/Sun_Boar… On again and off again deal is back on. | Apr 09 01:05 |
| oiaohm | http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/cor… MS just got more expensive. | Apr 09 01:09 |
| opiewrng | wtf, they rejected the deal (ibm and sun) | Apr 09 01:11 |
| opiewrng | and now again? | Apr 09 01:11 |
| opiewrng | (__boo) i personally don’t want them to merge | Apr 09 01:12 |
| opiewrng | sun just gotta get away from solaris | Apr 09 01:12 |
| opiewrng | lol… all that cries about patents make me feel like m$ writhes in agony | Apr 09 01:15 |
| oiaohm | IBM backed out of the deal. | Apr 09 01:15 |
| oiaohm | Normal thing for IBM to do. | Apr 09 01:15 |
| opiewrng | nice | Apr 09 01:15 |
| oiaohm | Straight up 25 percent share price drop. | Apr 09 01:16 |
| oiaohm | on sun. | Apr 09 01:16 |
| oiaohm | No alteration on IBM share price. | Apr 09 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Basically told IBM they were paying too much. | Apr 09 01:16 |
| opiewrng | did sun want to sell itself to ibm? | Apr 09 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Its back on at a lower price. | Apr 09 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Yes Sun want to be aquired by someone in the Linux Foundation. | Apr 09 01:17 |
| opiewrng | ah.. so they just played on it | Apr 09 01:17 |
| opiewrng | ibm in the linux foundation”? | Apr 09 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Yes. | Apr 09 01:17 |
| opiewrng | sure/ | Apr 09 01:17 |
| opiewrng | ? | Apr 09 01:17 |
| oiaohm | To be correct member of the Linux foundation. | Apr 09 01:17 |
| opiewrng | i don’t trust them | Apr 09 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Intel and AMD are also members of the foundation. | Apr 09 01:18 |
| opiewrng | oh come on… | Apr 09 01:18 |
| opiewrng | it doesn’t mean a thing then | Apr 09 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Sun first tried selling it self to intel and cisco. | Apr 09 01:18 |
| oiaohm | The did had not quite got desprate yet and trying to sell self to hp. | Apr 09 01:19 |
| opiewrng | hp is kinda weak choice | Apr 09 01:19 |
| oiaohm | Sun is still making profit. | Apr 09 01:20 |
| oiaohm | IBM Sun merge puts 66 percent of the super computer market in 1 company. | Apr 09 01:21 |
| oiaohm | Something Sun tried to avoid with merges with Intel and Cisco. | Apr 09 01:21 |
| opiewrng | yeah, sun got fired 7k people | Apr 09 01:22 |
| oiaohm | Marketing department. | Apr 09 01:22 |
| opiewrng | and it had about 50k | Apr 09 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Something that would be unquired staff with who ever they merge with. | Apr 09 01:23 |
| opiewrng | wait… was it 35k | Apr 09 01:23 |
| opiewrng | in either case… they were only firing people last years | Apr 09 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Staff that would not be required after a merge with someone. | Apr 09 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Sun has setup themselves up to merge. | Apr 09 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Its going to be sad to see sun go. All the funny reports about Sun dieing are going to be no more. | Apr 09 01:25 |
| oiaohm | http://www.linuxfoundation.or… << list of Linux foundation member. | Apr 09 01:27 |
| oiaohm | Companies in the foundation are quite spreed. | Apr 09 01:29 |
| oiaohm | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/… is also a interesting read opiewrng | Apr 09 01:33 |
| opiewrng | reading it, but i prefer not to read but get the feeling of it | Apr 09 01:41 |
| opiewrng | like you look at the picture and feel what’s wrong or right with it | Apr 09 01:41 |
| oiaohm | Basically all the major heads of hardware design in 1 room. | Apr 09 01:42 |
| oiaohm | That is a fairly scary thing to a company like Microsoft. | Apr 09 01:42 |
| opiewrng | it should’ve been not scary but defeating | Apr 09 01:45 |
| oiaohm | Its more like when are the going to decide to drop the hammer on MS. | Apr 09 01:46 |
| opiewrng | they should either do it always | Apr 09 01:47 |
| opiewrng | or wait for a very good moment | Apr 09 01:47 |
| opiewrng | when it’s neither a drop nor a hammer, but kills | Apr 09 01:47 |
| opiewrng | even if slowly | Apr 09 01:47 |
| oiaohm | Linux foundation is working on unifying Linux. | Apr 09 01:48 |
| *opiewrng finds himself very addicted to cigarettes | Apr 09 01:48 | |
| oiaohm | So yes they are waiting for a good momennt. | Apr 09 01:48 |
| opiewrng | and all i’m thinking about now | Apr 09 01:48 |
| opiewrng | is when it will be a very good time to smoke weed | Apr 09 01:49 |
| opiewrng | and wtf… i gotta sleep already | Apr 09 01:50 |
| opiewrng | if i wanna be like 5 hours late, not 7 | Apr 09 01:51 |
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| balzac | opiewrng: don’t carry a pack | Apr 09 03:46 |
| balzac | that’s how I keep it under control. I have my colleague keep my cigs, I pay him $10 a week, and I ask for them. | Apr 09 03:46 |
| balzac | one at a time… | Apr 09 03:47 |
| balzac | and I tip bartenders $1 per cig | Apr 09 03:47 |
| balzac | I never carry a pack, ever. | Apr 09 03:47 |
| oiaohm | I take the simpler method don’t smoke. | Apr 09 03:49 |
| bumming is a good way to quit, if you care what others think of you. | Apr 09 03:56 | |
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| here’s a nice organization that’s exposing Iraq horrors. http://www.nomorevictims.org/ | Apr 09 04:10 | |
| tessier | schestowitz: I don’t know anything about what happened between Michael Robertson and Kevin Carmony other than what is on their blogs. I exchanged a couple emails with Michael a couple weeks ago but only idle chit chat. | Apr 09 04:20 |
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| Ziggyfish | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3… interesting? | Apr 09 04:43 |
| ha ha | Apr 09 04:51 | |
| they should have done it in Texas, where the verdicts are fatter. | Apr 09 04:51 | |
| Who needs millions, when you could have billions? | Apr 09 04:52 | |
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| opiewrng | the most funny thing in that news article is ina fred | Apr 09 06:41 |
| opiewrng | fried* | Apr 09 06:41 |
| schestowitz | Ina Fried is a Microsoft shill | Apr 09 06:55 |
| *DaemonFC thinks schestowitz is 27 gnomes who hate Microsoft and possibly a bot as well | Apr 09 07:00 | |
| *MinceR suspects DaemonFC is Ina Fried | Apr 09 07:01 | |
| *DaemonFC suspects MinceR suffers from rectal-cranial inversion | Apr 09 07:01 | |
| *MinceR thinks that DaemonFC should be kickbanned | Apr 09 07:02 | |
| *DaemonFC thinks MinceR should be ritualistically sacrificed to Steve Ballmer | Apr 09 07:03 | |
| *MinceR rests his case | Apr 09 07:03 | |
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| schestowitz | GNOME+GNote=no Mono. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/… | Apr 09 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You can remove mono easily | Apr 09 07:23 |
| DaemonFC | nothing important in GNOME even needs it | Apr 09 07:23 |
| DaemonFC | why would you need that? | Apr 09 07:23 |
| schestowitz | I know | Apr 09 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Many people accept apps passively though | Apr 09 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Gnate wil be a drop-in replacement | Apr 09 07:23 |
| schestowitz | As in, say Microsoft pulls a muscle over .NET | Apr 09 07:24 |
| schestowitz | People just hop over to the same app which uses ’something else’ in the background | Apr 09 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I have yet to see any Mono app that does not have an equivalent in C or something else | Apr 09 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME doesn’t even prefer mono | Apr 09 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | or else they’d be shipping things like Banshee isntead of Rhythmbox | Apr 09 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | Seems like really the only Mono software included with GNOME is stuff Novell wrote with Mono and included in OpenSuse GNOME | Apr 09 07:26 |
| DaemonFC | I’m not even entirely sure why Ubuntu or Fedora even waste CD space on it when nothing in the default install even needs the runtime | Apr 09 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME already has a notes applet that is not based on Mono | Apr 09 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | and they already have gthumb | Apr 09 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | why is this guy wasting time and effort reimplementing things that already exist? | Apr 09 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | I really don’t have a problem with Mono except that it adds ridiculous overhead for no more than they do with it | Apr 09 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | 80 megs of runtime to support Tomboy? | Apr 09 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | then when you ask Ubuntu why they don’t have something important, it all comes down to CD space | Apr 09 07:31 |
| schestowitz | Yes, exactly. | Apr 09 07:33 |
| schestowitz | But many people want tomboy | Apr 09 07:33 |
| schestowitz | I never used it | Apr 09 07:33 |
| opiewrng | only girls want tomboy | Apr 09 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Fedora even loads it by default | Apr 09 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | so it can take 40 megs of RAM idle | Apr 09 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | and hit the disk every now and then | Apr 09 07:35 |
| DaemonFC |  |
Apr 09 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Very interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs… | Apr 09 07:36 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Fedora removed it from the Live CD | Apr 09 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | makes sense | Apr 09 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | I won’t use Fedora, too buggy | Apr 09 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | and the Nvidia drivers from RPM Fusion have been tampered with | Apr 09 07:39 |
| DaemonFC | they remove several files that it needs to function properly | Apr 09 07:39 |
| DaemonFC | and it will segfault when you go to run a lot f games | Apr 09 07:39 |
| DaemonFC | DeltaRPM gives is an advantage over Ubuntu though I guess | Apr 09 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | but if Ubuntu didn’t update packages everytime they had a trivial diff, that wouldn’t matter as much | Apr 09 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | oh speaking of which | Apr 09 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | they jsut updated xserver-xorg-core for the 4th time today | Apr 09 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Why mess with these? | Apr 09 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Just let your distributor do its thing | Apr 09 07:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: That IS what Ubuntu is doing | Apr 09 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | pisses me off cause I have to rebuild Nvidia every time they update those packages | Apr 09 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | would probably be less effort to install Gentoo than to try to maintain my own kernel in Ubuntu |
Apr 09 07:57 |
| schestowitz | BS | Apr 09 07:59 |
| schestowitz | You don’t need to do that | Apr 09 07:59 |
| schestowitz | You’re overcomplicating tyhing | Apr 09 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu’s kernel is seriously wicked | Apr 09 07:59 |
| schestowitz | They you vilify developers for not coping with your sescapades | Apr 09 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | and they have no interest in fixing it | Apr 09 08:00 |
| schestowitz | There is no Ubunut kenrel | Apr 09 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | They backported half of 2.6.29 into their 2.6.28 kernel | Apr 09 08:00 |
| schestowitz | They hardly have their own patches for it | Apr 09 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | why can’t they backport one file which fixes the Intel HDA issues with their Pulseaudio config? | Apr 09 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | they maintain all the out of tree patches Debian has, plus their own | Apr 09 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | plus half of the next mainline kernel | Apr 09 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | The reason they went with 2.6.27 in Intrepid was because they fucked around and broke Xen on their 2.6.26 kernel | Apr 09 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | and didn’t understand how they broke it or how to back out whatever did it | Apr 09 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | I don’t understand why they should need to do what they do, one or two backports is fine, but past a certain point they should just use the next mainline version | Apr 09 08:05 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is offshoring. Indian IT services provider HCL Technologies appears to have signed a five-year, $170 million contract with Microsoft that would employ 600 people, according to a report in the Economic Times. http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/… | Apr 09 08:11 |
| schestowitz | The network here is all wrong today | Apr 09 08:11 |
| schestowitz | DNS here is crawling again | Apr 09 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | heh, 5,000 Americans fired | Apr 09 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | so they can replace is with offshoring | Apr 09 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | or H1-B work visas | Apr 09 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | that they lobby the politicians for more of | Apr 09 08:20 |
| schestowitz | Visas are not as cheap | Apr 09 08:20 |
| schestowitz | And ti don’t think these are replacements | Apr 09 08:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft sacked developers | Apr 09 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | you get what you pay for | Apr 09 08:21 |
| schestowitz | Here it adds support people, probably at the expense of US contractors | Apr 09 08:21 |
| schestowitz | 5,000 is not the real number | Apr 09 08:21 |
| schestowitz | There is a hidden factor there because MSFT hires from the outside | Apr 09 08:21 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, well, it doesn’t exactly take a lot more than knowing some English and reading off a flow sheet to provide typical “support” | Apr 09 08:21 |
| DaemonFC | the only way you get decent support is if you’re a business that has bought an expensive contract | Apr 09 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: That’s why I always laugh when people mention that you don’t get support with OEM Windows | Apr 09 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | I always reply “Kind of like regular Windows?” | Apr 09 08:23 |
| schestowitz | Retry, Restart, Reinstall | Apr 09 08:27 |
| schestowitz | Why all the Mono hate? < http://benanzo.blogspot.com/2009… > | Apr 09 08:37 |
| schestowitz | He misses the most important points: the patenter | Apr 09 08:38 |
| schestowitz | As if NVidia is going to sue Linux… even Adobe.. Ha. | Apr 09 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | Why would Nvidia sue Linux? | Apr 09 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | They make drivers for it because of customer demand | Apr 09 08:39 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 09 08:48 |
| schestowitz | I’m referring to that post about Mono. | Apr 09 08:48 |
| schestowitz | People insinuate that Mono is “OK” because free drivers are made for NVidia cards | Apr 09 08:48 |
| schestowitz | NVidia sells hardware | Apr 09 08:48 |
| schestowitz | I very much doubt it has problems with other drivers that make buyers happy(ier) | Apr 09 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Nvidia wrote the NV driver | Apr 09 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | and maintain it | Apr 09 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | I don’t know how they feel about Nouveau, but I doubt they care | Apr 09 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | they probably would hand over their driver specs if not for other companies that would turn around and sue Nvidia | Apr 09 08:52 |
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| schestowitz | The server is having problems now | Apr 09 09:07 |
| schestowitz | Has the Internet been a _lot_ less reliable recently? | Apr 09 09:08 |
| schestowitz | There are reports about major ISP issues throughout the world, esp. after Apri 1 | Apr 09 09:08 |
| schestowitz | The server was finally stablised (BN) and I think my dns comes back too, so no need for opendns, for now. | Apr 09 09:14 |
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| DaemonFC | OpenDNS is just an overglorified search page hijacker | Apr 09 09:22 |
| schestowitz | So that’s their business model, eh? I wondered… | Apr 09 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | there’s no reason to use them vs your ISP’s DNS servers | Apr 09 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | unless you just want TWO entities compiling information about you | Apr 09 09:28 |
| schestowitz | I know that too, but spying alone won’t help cover opendns’ bills | Apr 09 09:33 |
| schestowitz | Here in the UK ISPs sell customers’ private info to companies | Apr 09 09:34 |
| schestowitz | I don’t know if you heard about Phorm/WebSense. | Apr 09 09:34 |
| schestowitz | People are a victim of it by default (must opt OUT, not IN) | Apr 09 09:34 |
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| schestowitz | My latest update on the software patents situation: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/… | Apr 09 09:44 |
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| MinceR | r4wr | Apr 09 10:10 |
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| tacone | “The initiator of GNode is already working on an f-spot replacement too” | Apr 09 10:25 |
| tacone | what’s the source ? | Apr 09 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | maybe something like gthumb? | Apr 09 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | pointless to write ANOTHER app | Apr 09 10:28 |
| tacone | oh | Apr 09 10:28 |
| tacone | another app, not a port, maybe | Apr 09 10:28 |
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| schestowitz | When Microsoft attacks viscously, it means it’s very weak: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/09/micros… | Apr 09 10:36 |
| schestowitz | tacone: the source is closer to the source | Apr 09 10:37 |
| tacone | ? | Apr 09 10:37 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: someone familiar w/ the matter | Apr 09 10:43 |
| schestowitz | PM | Apr 09 10:44 |
| schestowitz | OK? | Apr 09 10:44 |
| tacone | k | Apr 09 10:45 |
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| schestowitz | The Gavin Clarke shills still attacks linux | Apr 09 10:46 |
| schestowitz | this time IBM | Apr 09 10:46 |
| schestowitz | He ruins <the Register | Apr 09 10:46 |
| oiaohm | The battle is going quite will for Linux at this stage. | Apr 09 10:47 |
| oiaohm | MS having to pay for more patents make there bar of no profit higher. | Apr 09 10:47 |
| oiaohm | It really funny MS really should be out being anti-software patent or being killed in the market because of USA ruling on USA companies using patented parts. | Apr 09 10:48 |
| schestowitz | Dmages per copy | Apr 09 10:49 |
| schestowitz | That’s why Windows gets hit so badly | Apr 09 10:49 |
| schestowitz | Like the mp3 patents (Alcatel) | Apr 09 10:49 |
| schestowitz | $1 per copy is almost a billion AND…! | Apr 09 10:49 |
| oiaohm | Yep and on going payments. | Apr 09 10:49 |
| oiaohm | This is why windows has a bottom price. | Apr 09 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Since one billion may comprise counterfeited copies no-one pays for (maybe 70% of the lot), then Microsoft loses PER copy. | Apr 09 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Technically MS is not ilabel for counterfeited copies. | Apr 09 10:50 |
| oiaohm | If MS had to pay for them they would be dead. | Apr 09 10:51 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: earlier today I had it confirmed that London and the banking system there drags down the country along with the US | Apr 09 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Australia will be relatively isolated, AFAIK | Apr 09 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Same with continential Europe. | Apr 09 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Just in: Demand for IT jobs stinks in UK < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04… > | Apr 09 10:52 |
| schestowitz | According to predictions, the US may never recover (not even in 20 years) | Apr 09 10:53 |
| schestowitz | As one man put it, neither Obama nor Superman can do anything to reverse thiss | Apr 09 10:53 |
| schestowitz | The impact on Europe is often a residue of bad loans elsewhere. Even China gave bad loans to countries, but they’ll recuperate because the loss/debt is not theirs. | Apr 09 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Australia is having job fall out. | Apr 09 10:56 |
| oiaohm | Money system still working fine. | Apr 09 10:56 |
| oiaohm | Just less exports. | Apr 09 10:56 |
| oiaohm | Banks here are being kind nice for the now job less. No interest on house loan for at least 12 months same with payments. | Apr 09 10:57 |
| oiaohm | Should at least stop the crunch of forced selling. | Apr 09 10:58 |
| oiaohm | We still had quite heavy regulations of how much money banks had to have to cover themselves. | Apr 09 10:59 |
| schestowitz | Intel puts five Xeons on death row < http://www.theregister.co.uk… > | Apr 09 11:03 |
| schestowitz | The word repossession is unnerving | Apr 09 11:04 |
| schestowitz | It’s one of those euphemisms | Apr 09 11:04 |
| schestowitz | Meaning unpossession | Apr 09 11:04 |
| schestowitz | Like credit vs debt | Apr 09 11:04 |
| oiaohm | sysctl to block module loading currently being talked about for Linux now. | Apr 09 11:04 |
| schestowitz | Or harmonistion vs combined damages | Apr 09 11:04 |
| oiaohm | It could be a pain in but. | Apr 09 11:04 |
| oiaohm | One you set it only way to unset it is reboot. | Apr 09 11:05 |
| schestowitz | Which Linux? 2.6.30? | Apr 09 11:05 |
| oiaohm | After 2.6.30 Linux security mailing list talking about. | Apr 09 11:05 |
| tacone | schestowitz: do you know about the mono plugin-loader in deskbar-applet ? | Apr 09 11:05 |
| oiaohm | I really think best solution to .net would be some form of translator engine. | Apr 09 11:06 |
| oiaohm | Ie takes C# source code and spits out C++ source code instead. | Apr 09 11:06 |
| oiaohm | So making it insanely simple to jump ship. | Apr 09 11:07 |
| schestowitz | Simpler said than done | Apr 09 11:07 |
| schestowitz | Same for Java | Apr 09 11:07 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: you also need to convince developers to carry on with the new code. Novell tries to addict them to the Microsoft One Way | Apr 09 11:08 |
| schestowitz | Apple hit by patent suit: http://www.itwire.com/content/vi… Not soft as far as I can tell. zoobab01 , thoughts? | Apr 09 11:09 |
| oiaohm | You don’t need to convince them MS will do the job for you. | Apr 09 11:10 |
| schestowitz | They’ll move to Windows/VS | Apr 09 11:11 |
| oiaohm | Java is a different problem to C#. C# code style is close to C++ | Apr 09 11:11 |
| schestowitz | That’ s the plan | Apr 09 11:11 |
| schestowitz | Make Linux the same but crappier and not free | Apr 09 11:11 |
| schestowitz | Our DNS is working smoothly again. There was a similar but worse issue earlier this year. | Apr 09 11:11 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: when I helped a friend with C# it seemed more like cheap Java | Apr 09 11:11 |
| schestowitz | Not C++ | Apr 09 11:12 |
| schestowitz | She studied at a place where they taught MS curriculum. That was in 2002. | Apr 09 11:12 |
| schestowitz | On Newspapers and Google: What’s the Real Problem Here? What Do Readers Want? < http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?sto… > “First, as the FCC suddenly woke up and realized, a lot of Americans don’t have broadband. Duh. Who in the world wants to read an online newspaper on dialup? Most of the newspapers online are slow and hard to navigate, and with dialup, that’s a nonstop frustration.” | Apr 09 11:13 |
| oiaohm | There have been translators for java in the past that convert to C++. Java structs are not 1 to 1 in as many places as C# is. | Apr 09 11:15 |
| schestowitz | Of of the people who organised/orchestrated the OOXML fiasco says “watching Open XML / ODF tweets is a full time job.” | Apr 09 11:16 |
| schestowitz | Yes, watching people’s voting habits on OOXML too is a full time job | Apr 09 11:16 |
| schestowitz | They bullied critics | Apr 09 11:16 |
| schestowitz | Bunch of gangsters | Apr 09 11:16 |
| schestowitz | Germany has just fined them for crime (collusion) | Apr 09 11:16 |
| schestowitz | Gray Knowlton is the person from the criminal organisation who said this | Apr 09 11:17 |
| schestowitz | And they colluded to increase price of OOXML trap (Office 2007) | Apr 09 11:17 |
| schestowitz | Experts: MySQL could enable IBM to take over database market < http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2009/0407… >. Thoughts? | Apr 09 11:20 |
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| oiaohm | They missed it. | Apr 09 11:21 |
| oiaohm | Sun IBM merge makes a supercomputer super power. | Apr 09 11:22 |
| oiaohm | Its not that Sun is proftless. | Apr 09 11:22 |
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| trmanco | http://www.businessweek.com/ap/fi… | Apr 09 11:28 |
| schestowitz | SJVN is really giving it to Microsoft and their puppets at NPD: http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntu_… | Apr 09 11:30 |
| trmanco | I posted this link here yesterday I think | Apr 09 11:30 |
| schestowitz | NPD do this in other areas too | Apr 09 11:30 |
| schestowitz | XBox, Vista, and Zune. They also praise MS and I bet their funding might come from their, in part. | Apr 09 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Let me search a bit | Apr 09 11:31 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: I wrote about the MS patent case some hours ago | Apr 09 11:31 |
| trmanco | ok | Apr 09 11:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:ww… | Apr 09 11:33 |
| schestowitz | Can you find MS listed as their client? | Apr 09 11:34 |
| schestowitz | I have some part articles that show a connection | Apr 09 11:34 |
| schestowitz | And also explain it | Apr 09 11:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.npd.com/lps/tir/dow… | Apr 09 11:36 |
| schestowitz | I can’t find any page with a FULL list of their clients | Apr 09 11:36 |
| trmanco | I don’t know if it’s a client, but there sure is a bunch of intext keyword related to microsoft on that search | Apr 09 11:36 |
| schestowitz | It lacks disclosure | Apr 09 11:36 |
| schestowitz | They can track it any way that suits the clients | Apr 09 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Like in IDC’s case | Apr 09 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Just check Dell, HP, IBM and other giants | Apr 09 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Then, count in terms of MONEY, not sales | Apr 09 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Ignore installed base | Apr 09 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Ignroe sales outside the US | Apr 09 11:37 |
| schestowitz | IOW, biased in Windows’ favour | Apr 09 11:37 |
| schestowitz | And I have the E0mails that show how they arrrange this meter with Microsoft | Apr 09 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Same with gartner and TCO by the way | Apr 09 11:37 |
| schestowitz | IDC also deliberately asked a Microsoft-oriented population about Linux | Apr 09 11:37 |
| schestowitz | These people lie to the public in exchange for money from those who benefit from the lies. It’s a bit like the Iraq invasion. Lies pay. | Apr 09 11:38 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: what to do about this botblog? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/… | Apr 09 11:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.allaboutms.net/2009/04/… | Apr 09 11:41 |
| schestowitz | They just duplicate every post of BN. No contact details on the site. | Apr 09 11:41 |
| trmanco | ew | Apr 09 11:41 |
| tacone | i had to deal with a jerk like that | Apr 09 11:42 |
| tacone | luckily he was on wordpress.com. so i just reported abuse. | Apr 09 11:42 |
| trmanco | they post it through rss | Apr 09 11:42 |
| trmanco | people also steal my stuff like that, the same way as you | Apr 09 11:42 |
| schestowitz | cross-refs link to BN, but I don’t think it’ll be good. Frowned upon people, SEs, and so on.. | Apr 09 11:42 |
| tacone | usually the best thing is to add a notice in the rss feed linking the original post. | Apr 09 11:42 |
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| trmanco | all I did is put a permalink and some links in the rss feed footer, that way you will receive credit | Apr 09 11:43 |
| tacone | and, if you have time to loose, set up an .htaccess rule to prevent image to display when the referer is that domain. | Apr 09 11:43 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: that happens in x-refs | Apr 09 11:43 |
| trmanco | and eventually they will stop using you’re feed to spam | Apr 09 11:43 |
| schestowitz | Which is why it’s not urgent | Apr 09 11:43 |
| schestowitz | But they ping sites with my posts | Apr 09 11:43 |
| tacone | right. | Apr 09 11:44 |
| schestowitz | Hitwise Stats Put Google On Top Yet Again < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/04/08/h… > | Apr 09 11:44 |
| tacone | you can block via .htaccess access to your feeds from their ip. | Apr 09 11:44 |
| schestowitz | The dependence of many sites on Google is VERY unhealthy | Apr 09 11:44 |
| tacone | usually they are lazy enough to not workaround that. | Apr 09 11:45 |
| schestowitz | Sites that are not listed well in Google (including newspapers that complain) will perish | Apr 09 11:45 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I think this scraper is from Russia | Apr 09 11:45 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, you have a typo | Apr 09 11:45 |
| trmanco | last paragraph -> “The initiator of GNode is already working “ | Apr 09 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. | Apr 09 11:46 |
| trmanco | thinking of knode |
Apr 09 11:46 |
| schestowitz | YES | Apr 09 11:47 |
| schestowitz | You beat me to it | Apr 09 11:47 |
| schestowitz | I was about to say exactly that. | Apr 09 11:47 |
| trmanco | :-p | Apr 09 11:47 |
| trmanco | twitter has been offline for a while now | Apr 09 11:48 |
| trmanco | can’t post/receive anything in Gwibber | Apr 09 11:48 |
| schestowitz | General Manager quits Microsoft (failing to weaken Google): http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Data… | Apr 09 11:49 |
| trmanco | HTTP Error 400 …. | Apr 09 11:49 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: network is a mess | Apr 09 11:49 |
| schestowitz | Here too, even BN | Apr 09 11:49 |
| schestowitz | In BN, the server is up, but sometimes I can’t reach BN | Apr 09 11:49 |
| schestowitz | Meaning network issue | Apr 09 11:49 |
| trmanco | … | Apr 09 11:49 |
| schestowitz | DNS was hardly working for me this morning (on my own network, not the host) | Apr 09 11:50 |
| trmanco | DOS attacks | Apr 09 11:50 |
| schestowitz | This is not ‘conspiracy theory’ about MS | Apr 09 11:50 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes | Apr 09 11:50 |
| schestowitz | It’s widely reported | Apr 09 11:50 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, if you’re having DNS problems move to OpenDNS | Apr 09 11:50 |
| schestowitz | I put reports in BN about ISP issues worldwise | Apr 09 11:50 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm confirms this | Apr 09 11:50 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I was going to | Apr 09 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Instead I just spent the morning writing posts | Apr 09 11:51 |
| schestowitz | OpenDNS might require a reboot | Apr 09 11:51 |
| trmanco | http://www.opendns.com/ | Apr 09 11:51 |
| schestowitz | I’m too lazy for that  |
Apr 09 11:51 |
| tacone | na | Apr 09 11:51 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, it depends where you put the IP’s | Apr 09 11:51 |
| tacone | a network restart | Apr 09 11:51 |
| trmanco | I put them in the router | Apr 09 11:51 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I know. I saved a copy of the opendns guide on my desktop in case DNS goes totally willy-nilly | Apr 09 11:51 |
| trmanco | ah ok |
Apr 09 11:51 |
| schestowitz | So slowness is not as bad as no DNS lookups | Apr 09 11:52 |
| tacone | i like this scraper site. | Apr 09 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Report: Microsoft signs up Indian outsourcing firm for 600 workers < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/… >. Yes, Microsoft is going there because “Americans are stupid,” as PearlyG wants the Senate to believe | Apr 09 11:53 |
| oiaohm | Not too stupid. | Apr 09 11:55 |
| oiaohm | Indian developers don’t have to put up with USA patent laws. | Apr 09 11:55 |
| schestowitz | BN got like 40k pages yesterday | Apr 09 11:56 |
| schestowitz | But the changes made in the CMS make it less comparable | Apr 09 11:57 |
| schestowitz | it turns out that nested comments lead to a 2page/load situation | Apr 09 11:57 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Indians are smart | Apr 09 11:57 |
| tacone | consider using google analytics | Apr 09 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Esp. those which USians company will empoy | Apr 09 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | But Americans are clever too | Apr 09 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Esp. many of those CS engineers looking for a job | Apr 09 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Mcirosoft ignored them using excuses and lies | Apr 09 11:58 |
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| trmanco | lol | Apr 09 12:08 |
| iwmw | tacone usually quits when there’s a discussion, so everybody thinks that it’s crap-talking overflow | Apr 09 12:12 |
| schestowitz | “Today both Joseph and myself are doing a presentation on Mono, Moonlight at the Boston .NET Users Group meeting in Waltham.” http://tirania.org/blog/archiv… I know it’s not Shields, but which Jo was that again? I once checked but can’t remember… | Apr 09 12:12 |
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| MinceR | or he forgot to change his partreason since last time | Apr 09 12:16 |
| MinceR | when there definitely was a crap-talking overflow |
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| trmanco | hehe | Apr 09 12:21 |
| trmanco | I hope that quote is gpl’ed | Apr 09 12:21 |
| trmanco | I’m using it too | Apr 09 12:21 |
| iwmw | it’s patented | Apr 09 12:22 |
| iwmw | so you can’t even use any similar to this one | Apr 09 12:22 |
| trmanco | no it isn’t |
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| iwmw | you are not sure, are you? | Apr 09 12:23 |
| MinceR | i’ve patented the letter ‘e’ | Apr 09 12:23 |
| MinceR | |
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| trmanco | iwmw, he wouldn’t use it if it was patented | Apr 09 12:24 |
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| iwmw | h3y, trmanco, you’r3 using t3h r3strict3d l3tt3r | Apr 09 12:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft explains that Windows zombies make spam: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/09/… | Apr 09 12:25 |
| trmanco | lol | Apr 09 12:25 |
| MinceR | iwmw: that’s closed enough, cease and desist |
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| MinceR | s/sed/se/ | Apr 09 12:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft 3xplains that Windows zombi3s mak3 spam. | Apr 09 12:26 |
| iwmw | th3r3’s no s3d anymor3 | Apr 09 12:26 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 09 12:26 |
| schestowitz | grep /s/e/3/ irclogfile | Apr 09 12:26 |
| schestowitz | sed | Apr 09 12:26 |
| MinceR | grep can do that? | Apr 09 12:26 |
| MinceR | oh. | Apr 09 12:26 |
| schestowitz | Oops | Apr 09 12:26 |
| schestowitz | I just typed without thinking | Apr 09 12:27 |
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| schestowitz | tacone logged out  |
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| schestowitz | Italy-Earthquake Toll : 235 dead < Microsoft explains that Windows zombies make spam: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/0… > | Apr 09 12:28 |
| schestowitz | Oops. | Apr 09 12:29 |
| MinceR |  |
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| schestowitz | http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-n… | Apr 09 12:29 |
| schestowitz | Not so funny, MinceR (the slip was) | Apr 09 12:29 |
| MinceR | i laughed at the slip | Apr 09 12:29 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know. “Strong aftershocks on Tuesday sent a fresh wave of fear across earthquake-shattered central Italy, and rescue crews pulled a young woman alive from a collapsed building about 42 hours after the main quake struck the mountainous region.” | Apr 09 12:29 |
| iwmw | you s33? m$ r3sp3cts pat3nts it dosn’t us3 t3h l3tt3r 3 in “microsoft” | Apr 09 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Some people will call it “the act of God” | Apr 09 12:30 |
| schestowitz | And feel regrets for sins they may have committed to deserve this. | Apr 09 12:30 |
| MinceR | their loss. | Apr 09 12:31 |
| *MinceR patents the idea of communication | Apr 09 12:32 | |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Apr 09 12:42 |
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| trmanco | Twitter changed it’s api, that’s why I can’t post through Gwibber Fix has already been committed… waiting for ppa update |
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| schestowitz | OK, i”m back | Apr 09 15:21 |
| schestowitz | It’s no longer sunny outside: -( | Apr 09 15:22 |
| trmanco | here neither | Apr 09 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | I think I’ll just escape to the gym or something. Cya l8r | Apr 09 15:26 |
| PetoKraus | yeah | Apr 09 15:44 |
| PetoKraus | it’s quite dark here as well | Apr 09 15:44 |
| oiaohm | http://blenderartists.org/foru… << Ok this is getting strange. | Apr 09 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Company interested in building commerical game is looking at using blender. | Apr 09 15:45 |
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| trmanco | http://www.computerworld.com/action/artic… | Apr 09 16:21 |
| balzac | i’m not at all surprised by blender getting more commercial support | Apr 09 16:33 |
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| Balrog | hello everyone | Apr 09 17:27 |
| trmanco | hello Balrog | Apr 09 17:35 |
| Balrog | trmanco: anything new that’s important? | Apr 09 17:41 |
| trmanco | Balrog, no, not that I know of | Apr 09 17:41 |
| Balrog | ok. | Apr 09 17:41 |
| Balrog | btw, conficker is waking up | Apr 09 17:43 |
| Eruaran | I have decided to refer to Windows fanboys as hopeless luddites from now on. | Apr 09 17:44 |
| Eruaran | hello Balrog | Apr 09 17:44 |
| trmanco | yeah, conficker is getting smarter | Apr 09 17:44 |
