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04.11.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 10th, 2009 – Part 3

Posted in IRC Logs at 7:00 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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Omar87 schestowitz: What is the material? Apr 10 17:21
schestowitz Omar87: Here’s one way to see it (a guy from FFII taught me this): why get angry over Microsoft’s crimes? The more it does, the more trouble it may get into. It also serves as a bigger lesson about corruption out there… so there is educational value. Apr 10 17:22
schestowitz Omar87: by “give” I meant did bad things that people can write about Apr 10 17:22
schestowitz Speaking of GNote, there’s this in the news: “Now, there are many free applications out there already, like Gmote. Gmote is a cool app that turns your phone into a remote control for your computer. Is this useful? You tell me. But it sure is nifty.” http://www.itworld.com/mobile-a… Apr 10 17:23
trmanco gmote? Apr 10 17:23
trmanco ah that Apr 10 17:24
schestowitz Didn’t even heard about it Apr 10 17:25
schestowitz I wrote about GNode though Apr 10 17:25
schestowitz Sounds like a GTK port of KNode.. Apr 10 17:25
trmanco that would be interesting Apr 10 17:27
schestowitz BN not in front page of Linux Today Apr 10 17:27
schestowitz Epic(tm) Fail. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php… (The Future Of UT3 On Linux Appears Uncertain) Apr 10 17:39
schestowitz ping.fm is misbehaving today Apr 10 17:39
schestowitz http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5… (Canonical disputes Microsoft netbook claims) Funny how Microsoft employees magically find NPD’s numbers. Who paid NPD to count units? Apr 10 17:42
trmanco schestowitz, gwibber:read/8 Apr 10 17:51
trmanco oh crap Apr 10 17:51
trmanco http://identi.ca/notice/3353412 Apr 10 17:51
trmanco slap them :-P Apr 10 17:52
schestowitz “pingfm Apr 10 17:55
schestowitz Doing various updates today. If you notice any weirdness, just slap us.” Apr 10 17:55
schestowitz Thanks, that explains it. I wish it said so in their Web sites. I spent time thinking I had something improperly set at my end. Apr 10 17:55
trmanco :-p Apr 10 17:55
schestowitz http://www.techflash.com/Google_CEO_tells_… “[PJ: The Newspaper Association of America has chosen to make audio of his comments available only to those who use Microsoft software, I see.]“ Apr 10 17:59
trmanco Apr 10 17:59
schestowitz That’s the US… got to force people to use WIndows or boot into it. Butetrs. Apr 10 17:59
schestowitz Groklaw hardly covers Linux now Apr 10 18:00
trmanco the stream works Apr 10 18:00
schestowitz Just copyright, law stuff, and some about Microsoft… Apr 10 18:00
schestowitz trmanco: I didn’t try Apr 10 18:00
trmanco but it’s an asx Apr 10 18:00
schestowitz Maybe it requires patents Apr 10 18:00
schestowitz trmanco: see http://www.google.com/search?q=sit… Apr 10 18:05
schestowitz The site that just copies all posts from BN is not being indexed, which is good. It keeps showing up in people’s trackbacks, which may make it look bad. Apr 10 18:05
trmanco schestowitz, it will be indexed -> <meta name=”robots” content=”follow, all” /> Apr 10 18:07
trmanco it’s just a matter of time, the spammy site is recent Apr 10 18:07
schestowitz Researchers say Conficker is all about the money < http://news.cnet.com/8301-100… > Apr 10 18:09
schestowitz trmanco: not if no-one links to this Apr 10 18:10
schestowitz Let me give an example. Apr 10 18:10
trmanco people might link to it in trackbacks Apr 10 18:10
schestowitz http://www.consortiuminfo.org/stand… If you scroll down to trackback you’ll see a BN reference, but also two mirrors that don’t exactly belong there. Apr 10 18:10
schestowitz One of them if a botblog that echoes posts of mine from USENET and another is a site ‘stealing’ all posts from BN. Apr 10 18:11
schestowitz I don’t mind the person using my posts from USENET (credit/attribution would be nice), but the latter may make it seem like I have something to do with those site, but I don’t. I just do BN Apr 10 18:11
schestowitz This is just one example, but this Russian scraper that takes all posts from BN is throwing pings at blogs I link to. Apr 10 18:12
schestowitz Groklaw credits BN today :-) Apr 10 18:14
schestowitz trmanco: Portugal is the 15th country for BN readership, which is interesting because of the size of the population. Apr 10 18:17
schestowitz The site did almost 5GB in the past 12 hours, despite Easter :-o Apr 10 18:18
trmanco that’s great Apr 10 18:18
schestowitz I don’t use supercache yet Apr 10 18:18
schestowitz I don’t know what it does better. Just putting “super” in it doesn’t mean much Apr 10 18:18
schestowitz It’s a marketing term like “ultimate” Apr 10 18:18
schestowitz “Retailers will come around in time. The faster ones will be the ones that will publish the good/better numbers for Linux. These will be the ones sitting pretty tomorrow.” < http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story… > Apr 10 18:24
schestowitz Nice Linux site/comic……… http://www.emoticomics.com/comic79.html Apr 10 18:26
schestowitz http://blogs.computerworld.com/mlb_co… (MLB.com looks great on desktop Linux) <—”Good riddance to bad rubbish!” saysKeith Elster Apr 10 18:28
schestowitz KDE4 is just so gorgeous (and now a lot more mature): http://polishlinux.org/kde/kd… Apr 10 18:35
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Eruaran I love polishlinux’s early reviews Apr 10 18:37
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schestowitz Eruaran: he just hosts it there Apr 10 18:37
schestowitz It’s not very responsive now Apr 10 18:37
schestowitz Maybe Digg effect or something Apr 10 18:37
Eruaran One of 4.3′s new desktop activity settings is “black board”… sounds interesting Apr 10 18:42
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schestowitz Eruaran: you should see comments on Migi’s activity Apr 10 18:43
schestowitz comments in LinuxToday: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_sto… Apr 10 18:44
schestowitz He’s becoming a pR disaster to Novell and GNOME IMHO Apr 10 18:44
schestowitz Oops. Identi.ca just fell over Apr 10 18:44
Eruaran yeah I read Miguel’s ‘Embrace and Extending.NET’ crap Apr 10 18:45
schestowitz Who embraces who? Apr 10 18:47
schestowitz Yeah, little Migi will f*kill MS Apr 10 18:47
schestowitz He’s embrace and extend them Apr 10 18:47
schestowitz Never mind if they invite him to conferences Apr 10 18:47
schestowitz Here’s the thing Apr 10 18:47
schestowitz Linux might need samba for comms Apr 10 18:47
Eruaran those guys are more on the nose than those smelly flowers on a David Attenborough doco Apr 10 18:47
schestowitz But when it comes to PLs and framworks, Linux is independent Apr 10 18:47
schestowitz Java, PHP, Apahce…. Apr 10 18:48
schestowitz Miguel is trying to push people away from all that …. into Microsoft Apr 10 18:48
schestowitz Who benefits? Apr 10 18:48
schestowitz Microsoft Apr 10 18:48
schestowitz And the guy who went for a job interview there in 2998 Apr 10 18:48
schestowitz *1998 Apr 10 18:48
Eruaran “Kopete can now communicate with Skype users” – this is a nice little development Apr 10 18:49
schestowitz PearlyG (Gates) is busy getting patents for his patent trolling firm: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Bi… Apr 10 18:50
schestowitz I thought Pearlyu hated atents Apr 10 18:54
schestowitz He said so Apr 10 18:54
schestowitz The industry would be at a standstill Apr 10 18:54
Eruaran PearlyG is an opportunist without principles Apr 10 18:55
Eruaran Thats how he made so much money Apr 10 18:55
amd-linux Gates is just greedy – he always was and with age it got worse Apr 10 18:55
Eruaran “its no trick to make a lot of money” – Citizen Kane Apr 10 18:55
amd-linux other people get mild and benevolent when aging Apr 10 18:55
amd-linux not gates Apr 10 18:56
schestowitz amd-linux: “and with age it got worse” Yes, because health goes away Apr 10 18:59
Eruaran Why the hell are they even talking about porting from Python to Mono ? Apr 10 19:00
schestowitz Eruaran: mindshare Apr 10 19:00
schestowitz Making the Mono camp stronger Apr 10 19:00
schestowitz They have Microsoft employees helping, you know? Apr 10 19:00
Eruaran my god these scumbags suck Apr 10 19:00
schestowitz Former ones Apr 10 19:00
schestowitz Who program ‘open’ source with Mono Apr 10 19:00
schestowitz One guy used to lurk in this channel — ‘CJ’ Apr 10 19:01
schestowitz Collier something Apr 10 19:01
schestowitz He works for Microsoft Apr 10 19:01
schestowitz He helps Mono Apr 10 19:01
schestowitz He’s attributed in the Mono homepage Apr 10 19:01
Eruaran My prediction is that GNOME 3.0 will end up being a complete pile of shit Apr 10 19:01
schestowitz Eruaran: I’d rather save GNOME and defend it Apr 10 19:01
Eruaran And it will be the Mono crowd responsible Apr 10 19:01
schestowitz I’d rather see Vista7 for the POS it is Apr 10 19:01
Eruaran same Apr 10 19:02
schestowitz When some women with 3 kids and a Celeron puts it on Apr 10 19:02
Eruaran But these guys just seem to keep weasling in there Apr 10 19:02
schestowitz Wasting $200 on buggy bloated rubbish Apr 10 19:02
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schestowitz *woman (or man) Apr 10 19:02
Eruaran this week I talked a woman out of buying a Lenovo mini desktop thing Apr 10 19:02
schestowitz Just some scenario I have in mind because mothers are rarely hardcore gamers with GPUs and multi-core boards Apr 10 19:03
schestowitz Yuck. Lenovo Apr 10 19:03
Eruaran It was a Pentium D (yikes !) and the shop they were buying from were gonna put Vista on it Apr 10 19:03
schestowitz IBM gave them Thinkpd. Apr 10 19:03
schestowitz Recently they hired Microsoft executives Apr 10 19:03
schestowitz They turn into a MS drone Apr 10 19:03
schestowitz They don’t sell Red Hat in some models Apr 10 19:03
schestowitz Just Ballnux Apr 10 19:03
schestowitz Novell=good; Red Hat=what’s daat?? Apr 10 19:03
Eruaran Microsoft = industry wide cancer Apr 10 19:04
schestowitz BTW I saw your comment in IDG sites Apr 10 19:04
schestowitz PCWorld IIRC Apr 10 19:04
schestowitz slamming the .NET boosters Apr 10 19:04
Eruaran Which one ? :P Apr 10 19:04
schestowitz Can’t eemember Apr 10 19:04
balzac -_^ Apr 10 19:05
Eruaran I just spit those out and forget about what I posted Apr 10 19:05
schestowitz My Boss, with a little help, starts the conversion to Linux < http://www.sourceguru.net/archives/203 > Apr 10 19:05
schestowitz “DING DING DING Linux is gonna be installed.” http://linuxfreedom-technoshaun.blogsp… Apr 10 19:06
schestowitz Eruaran: I ‘spat’ a lot at Digg Apr 10 19:07
schestowitz Many quick comments, about 14,000 Apr 10 19:07
Eruaran heh Apr 10 19:07
schestowitz But I hardly visit Digg anymore. Others quit it too. Apr 10 19:07
Eruaran Sometimes I read something and I just have to comment then and there Apr 10 19:07
Eruaran Digg is worse than /. Apr 10 19:08
schestowitz My 3000 ‘fans’ down the drain Apr 10 19:08
schestowitz The thing is, people boast about follower in twitter, Digg, etc. Apr 10 19:08
schestowitz But these are not portable Apr 10 19:08
schestowitz So once you leave the site you can’t take your audience with you. Behold the CLOUD! Gah! Apr 10 19:09
Eruaran hmm ClamAV nabs Conficker Apr 10 19:10
Eruaran I didn’t know that… not that I’d actually looked into it Apr 10 19:10
schestowitz Another Reason Why FAT32 / VFAT Needs to Die < http://blog.ibeentoubuntu.com/2009/04/anot… > Apr 10 19:12
Eruaran cant believe some of the comments on gnome-zeitgeist Apr 10 19:15
Eruaran “please port to mono” Apr 10 19:15
Eruaran they sound like gay men getting all excited at a mardi gras Apr 10 19:15
Eruaran And those who object are ignored Apr 10 19:15
Eruaran This is why Gnome is screwed unless its forked I think Apr 10 19:16
Eruaran I really do think unless there is a concerted effort to rescue GNOME it is destined to become roadkill on highway Microsoft Apr 10 19:17
schestowitz Oh cr*, I forgot to post the stats to WordPress mailing lists Apr 10 19:17
schestowitz Eruaran: not really Apr 10 19:18
schestowitz If there was a weak GNOME they would gang up on KDE Apr 10 19:18
schestowitz A lecturer I know reckons that Microsoft has enough lackeys in its pouch Apr 10 19:18
MinceR Gnome is screwed as long as they insist on copying osx. Apr 10 19:18
schestowitz When companies can’t compete but have resources then they invest in derailing rivals Apr 10 19:19
Eruaran I think once Microsoft feel they’ve achived their goals with GNOME they’ll work much harder on KDE Apr 10 19:19
schestowitz There are many ways to do this Apr 10 19:19
schestowitz Paying for flight tickets (Mass. to Remind) for Senor de Icaza is slush funds Apr 10 19:19
schestowitz Microsoft may have alrwady lost $1 billion due to linux sub-notebooks Apr 10 19:19
schestowitz That’s the estimate Apr 10 19:19
schestowitz Was Half a billion several months ago Apr 10 19:19
schestowitz It cannibalizes Windows that actually costs something Apr 10 19:20
Eruaran Lets hope they keep bleeding cash Apr 10 19:20
schestowitz Now they recruit NPD to demoralise the ‘enemy’ Apr 10 19:20
schestowitz ttp://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/ 2008/08/comes-3096.pdf “Just keep rubbing it in, via the press, analysts, newsgroups, whatever. Make the complete failure of the competition’s technology part of the mythology of the computer industry.” –MS Apr 10 19:20
Eruaran I’d rather see GNU/Linux have several cutting edge competitive DE’s… I’m against homogenization Apr 10 19:21
Eruaran Even though I’m personally a self confessed KDE fanboy Apr 10 19:21
Eruaran ;) Apr 10 19:21
schestowitz I’ll add a comment: “[better later than never. Happy Easter/spring, everybody. Happy hacking.]“ Apr 10 19:23
Eruaran Some people are pleading not to port to Mono Apr 10 19:25
Eruaran Python or Vala but no to Mono Apr 10 19:26
Eruaran These guys just keep spouting Mono and ignoring them Apr 10 19:26
Eruaran this guy disgusts me Apr 10 19:27
Eruaran the only response I’ve seen him give is that nobody has given him “good reasons” not to use Mono Apr 10 19:27
Eruaran There’s like 10 people jumping up and down giving him good reasons ! Apr 10 19:28
Eruaran idiot Apr 10 19:28
Eruaran this guy has his fingers shoved as deeply in his own ears with SweatyB tickling his privates just as much as senior de Icaza Apr 10 19:28
Eruaran ok Apr 10 19:32
Eruaran because of all the concerns and protests Apr 10 19:32
Eruaran they’ve said they’re staying with Python Apr 10 19:32
schestowitz Yeah… Apr 10 19:32
schestowitz Well, I just lagged.. Apr 10 19:32
Eruaran but… Apr 10 19:32
schestowitz Cause I sent a reponse Apr 10 19:32
Eruaran he’s still mentioning mono in every post Apr 10 19:33
schestowitz Relating to some things you told me about Express gate Apr 10 19:33
Eruaran yes / Apr 10 19:33
Eruaran ? Apr 10 19:33
schestowitz Eruaran: maybe you can help with this: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/08/microso… Apr 10 19:33
schestowitz We need more leaks/proof Apr 10 19:33
Eruaran Express Disgrace Apr 10 19:33
schestowitz That Microsoft manipulated OEMs,w hcih it obviously does Apr 10 19:33
schestowitz But I need strong proof here. Apr 10 19:33
schestowitz Something to go under the banner of Microsoft muscles OEMs to drop Windows competitoon Apr 10 19:34
Eruaran I could have a chat with the Asus rep Apr 10 19:34
schestowitz Words from Microsoft would be idea Apr 10 19:34
schestowitz Words from Microsoft would be ideal Apr 10 19:34
schestowitz But I only have ASUS’ words Apr 10 19:34
schestowitz They wrapped up Acer’s CEO too Apr 10 19:34
schestowitz After he slammed VIsta on behalf of the industry Apr 10 19:34
schestowitz They bribes IDC et al to praise Vista7 Apr 10 19:35
schestowitz And now they give free XP with promises of Vista7 heaven Apr 10 19:35
schestowitz And they also use IDG and NPD to deliiver lies: 96% thing… Apr 10 19:35
schestowitz “The market ‘chose’ Windows’ Apr 10 19:35
schestowitz [because we gave buyers no choice... SHEESH] Apr 10 19:35
Eruaran yes Apr 10 19:36
schestowitz Well, you can’t fight cartels gently Apr 10 19:37
Eruaran The only direct correspondance I ever have with Microsoft usually has obscene words in it Apr 10 19:37
schestowitz Some people may call BN ‘abrasive’ Apr 10 19:37
schestowitz But what would they expect when companies that are convicted as CRIMINALS in Germany right now are involved? Apr 10 19:37
Eruaran I could share stuff Apr 10 19:37
schestowitz Ooh Ooh :-) :-) Let’s be gentle on Microsoft Apr 10 19:37
Eruaran But it means exposing what is sent in emails Apr 10 19:37
schestowitz After all, it’s just suing Linux Apr 10 19:37
schestowitz While smailing Apr 10 19:37
schestowitz *smiiling Apr 10 19:38
schestowitz It tried to kill ODF Apr 10 19:38
schestowitz While smiling Apr 10 19:38
Eruaran I don’t think the information itself is a problem, I have to get permission from the recipient first Apr 10 19:38
schestowitz it says Linux has 4% share in sub-notebooks… Apr 10 19:38
schestowitz While smiiling Apr 10 19:38
schestowitz “We need to smile at Novell while we pull the trigger.” –Jim Allchin, Microsoft’s Platform Group Vice President Apr 10 19:38
schestowitz Remember they have taskforces Apr 10 19:39
schestowitz If a shop sells Linux, Microsoft pays it a visit Apr 10 19:39
Eruaran I think my best chance of getting interesting info is from Asus Apr 10 19:39
schestowitz This comes from its own (leaked) communication Apr 10 19:39
Eruaran They are usually very helpful ;) Apr 10 19:39
schestowitz They can probably even send the BSA to terrify the company Apr 10 19:39
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schestowitz Or cause it trouble Apr 10 19:40
Eruaran indeed Apr 10 19:40
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schestowitz Or send some patent troll to ISVs who compete Apr 10 19:40
Eruaran We are a small group Apr 10 19:40
Eruaran There is a palpable sense that if we say too much there will be retribution Apr 10 19:40
schestowitz “How dare they not sell Windows?” Apr 10 19:40
schestowitz “Those bastards” (hypothetical) Apr 10 19:40
schestowitz “How dare they not support the  Windows platform?” Apr 10 19:41
schestowitz Sue them Apr 10 19:41
schestowitz True story BTW Apr 10 19:41
Eruaran yes Apr 10 19:41
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/… Apr 10 19:41
schestowitz ““look what znix is doing! cut those fuckers off.” Within three weeks, Microsoft demanded an audit of Z-Nix’s entire business and then commenced a copyright and trademark infringement action. Z-Nix was forced to file for bankruptcy in or around 1995″” Apr 10 19:41
schestowitz Microsoft is such a nice bunch :-D Apr 10 19:42
schestowitz Cuddly Apr 10 19:42
Eruaran indeed Apr 10 19:42
schestowitz I can see what Miguel loves them Apr 10 19:42
schestowitz Awwwwwwwwwwwww :-) Apr 10 19:42
schestowitz KDE developments: http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Softw… http://zwabel.wordpress.com/2009/0… Apr 10 19:43
Eruaran We promote, sell, and service systems with GNU/Linux without advertising precisely because we know what will happen if we expose ourselves Apr 10 19:43
schestowitz I’m still trying to find a blog enry where Mark Shuttleworth writes “cut those fuckers off” (or something like that…) Apr 10 19:44
Eruaran So you have a situation where we have some Vista poster on the wall for the Microsoft guy and a demo with Linux on it for the real people Apr 10 19:44
schestowitz Microsoft #1 bug/motto:  “cut those fuckers off” Apr 10 19:44
schestowitz IOW: destroy competition so that no matter how crappy our OS is, people will have to use it. Apr 10 19:44
Eruaran The general public has no understanding of what is really going on Apr 10 19:45
Eruaran I like to educate people Apr 10 19:45
schestowitz Like Omar87 wrote, “people just don’t understand” Apr 10 19:46
schestowitz Microsoft paid a lot of money to keep its crime in a dark box Apr 10 19:46
schestowitz See Caldera case Apr 10 19:46
schestowitz Microsoft paid them to destory criminal evidence Apr 10 19:46
schestowitz Some of it might still be out there. Apr 10 19:46
schestowitz Eruaran: it’s hard to educare Apr 10 19:46
schestowitz *educate Apr 10 19:46
schestowitz Not just in computers Apr 10 19:47
schestowitz Politics too Apr 10 19:47
Eruaran Its not that hard really when people trust you for advice Apr 10 19:47
schestowitz People spend too much passively watching TV (getting indoctrinated) Apr 10 19:47
Eruaran And people like intrigue Apr 10 19:47
schestowitz So even if you change your mind, they get reprorgrammed later (‘rtebrainwashed’) Apr 10 19:47
Eruaran People are generally very interested to find out just how Microsoft maintains its monopoly when they didn’t know before Apr 10 19:48
Eruaran And to hear that there is no free and fair competition Apr 10 19:48
Eruaran A few conversations like that and people get it Apr 10 19:49
Eruaran One guy said to me one day, “So Microsoft is the Standard Oil of computers then ?” Apr 10 19:49
schestowitz “I’ll talk more about distributions, GNU and some of the other things I’ve referred to in future. For now just try to remember that the word Linux technically means the kernel at the core of the system. However a lot of people use it to refer to their operating system. There’s nothing wrong with that in my eyes but it’s really just a blanket term.” http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/0… Apr 10 19:50
schestowitz At least some people attribute GNU Apr 10 19:50
schestowitz It’s important Apr 10 19:50
Eruaran His reference to Standard Oil showed that he gets it Apr 10 19:50
schestowitz Linux Foundation represents business Apr 10 19:50
schestowitz Linux is like a P/L-only geek Apr 10 19:50
schestowitz ESR does some politics but he’s gun nutter and still only business oriented Apr 10 19:50
schestowitz So it’s important to correlate GNU and the system people sue Apr 10 19:51
schestowitz *use Apr 10 19:51
schestowitz Eruaran: why insult Standard Oil? Apr 10 19:51
Eruaran heh Apr 10 19:52
schestowitz Gates invests in BP Apr 10 19:52
schestowitz He helps the killing of Nigerian kids: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/02/th… Apr 10 19:52
schestowitz Then, he tells government that he puts money in to buy from the pharmaceuticals he owns shares in Apr 10 19:52
Eruaran The Standard Oil monopoly that was broken up in the 1920′s (or 30′s I cant remember) Apr 10 19:52
schestowitz The same old scam, one century later Apr 10 19:53
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/09/wa… Apr 10 19:53
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/3… Apr 10 19:53
schestowitz You are allowed to tell peoplwe what the Gates Foundation is about too Apr 10 19:53
schestowitz Microsoft owns a lot of the press, so it seeds PR, which the smaller (local) pres then echoes Apr 10 19:53
schestowitz It’s a revolting thing Apr 10 19:53
schestowitz Same with NYT for example Apr 10 19:53
schestowitz The known trend to press experts is that big papers set the tone Apr 10 19:54
schestowitz Those with relationships int he Pentagon and White House Apr 10 19:54
schestowitz So your editors will only agree to accept consensus, where it’s defined by Fox, CNN, and NYT Apr 10 19:54
Eruaran mmm KDE 4.3 is going to be nice Apr 10 19:55
schestowitz They are asssumed to know better. But anyway, that’s another story… I digress now Apr 10 19:55
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schestowitz Eruaran: evolutionary Apr 10 19:55
schestowitz Hey, Detective GoblinRFD Apr 10 19:55
GoblinRFD Hello all! Apr 10 19:55
GoblinRFD lol Apr 10 19:55
Eruaran hi Apr 10 19:55
GoblinRFD :) Apr 10 19:55
schestowitz You should do more like that Apr 10 19:55
schestowitz It helps the communal investigation Apr 10 19:56
GoblinRFD Ive got a few on the books….. Apr 10 19:56
schestowitz There are too many examples to cover Apr 10 19:56
schestowitz Microsoft would be afraid of many eyeballs on its corrupt activities Apr 10 19:56
schestowitz Like Comes vs MS Apr 10 19:56
schestowitz And OEM strnglehold Apr 10 19:56
schestowitz The Internet is empowering Apr 10 19:56
schestowitz It used to be just DOJ with posession of information and computer magazines Microsoft controlled to disseminate information Apr 10 19:57
schestowitz Which the advertisers might now like. Hehe. Apr 10 19:57
GoblinRFD Ive got a further SUSE/MS reporter connection Im working on at the moment….been quite enlightening Apr 10 19:59
GoblinRFD look out for the article “Only fools and SUSEs” Apr 10 19:59
schestowitz Check out the Calc Easter egg: http://jonathancarter.co.za/2009/04… Apr 10 20:03
schestowitz Hehe. it works on my computer Apr 10 20:04
schestowitz They hide the fifth guy Apr 10 20:04
schestowitz Paul W. Frields  (of Fedora) commented on it Apr 10 20:05
GoblinRFD LOL Apr 10 20:05
GoblinRFD On an unrelated note, I hope everyone is looking forward to the new series of Red Dwarf on tonight at 9pm Apr 10 20:06
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUpBUMuasjI Apr 10 20:09
GoblinRFD Not as good as: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4TLto-nKfU Apr 10 20:18
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C7YzqTtFXU Apr 10 20:18
schestowitz Why Legalised Bribery (Which Microsoft Tops) Should be Banned < http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/… > Apr 10 20:24
GoblinRFD Right, im off for a Red Dwarf viewing..toodle pip! Apr 10 20:39
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Balrog_ interesting. MS is heavily attacking Apple even though there’s not too much basis in their attacks … http://news.cnet.com/8301-1… Apr 10 21:13
Balrog_ (mostly based on price) Apr 10 21:13
schestowitz Anything in the news? Apr 10 21:13
schestowitz CNET hardly counts :-) Apr 10 21:13
Balrog_ that’s a ‘critical review’ Apr 10 21:13
schestowitz This is from MS PR department Apr 10 21:14
schestowitz Ina Shiels Apr 10 21:14
Balrog_ http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/10/micro… Apr 10 21:14
Balrog_ there’s a PDF from MS Apr 10 21:14
Balrog_ this is clearly coming out of MS Apr 10 21:14
Balrog_ http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09… Apr 10 21:14
Balrog_ this should be on ars Apr 10 21:15
Balrog_ hmm, not yet :/ Apr 10 21:15
Balrog_ in any case, take a look at the PDF from MS Apr 10 21:15
schestowitz Who did MS pay? Apr 10 21:16
Balrog_ they’re doing some weird things, like including Apple’s MobileMe service for the Mac while not providing an equivalent for PC Apr 10 21:16
Balrog_ one sec. Apr 10 21:16
schestowitz Cause they sought to bribe Apple bloggers Apr 10 21:16
schestowitz They always pretend not to attacj with FUD Apr 10 21:16
Balrog_ Endpoint Technologies and Roger Kay Apr 10 21:16
schestowitz They hire a shill Apr 10 21:16
schestowitz Do a Google to see if there is MS background Apr 10 21:16
Balrog_ the mac people see the is fud Apr 10 21:16
schestowitz Either way, they pay for this Apr 10 21:16
schestowitz I care less about the message Apr 10 21:17
schestowitz See if there is a bribe to generate this Apr 10 21:17
Balrog_ well, they make money from Apple, indirectly Apr 10 21:17
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/22… Apr 10 21:17
Balrog_ this is the same guy that said ‘Microsoft and Intel are winning a market using an old OS and its smallest chip’ Apr 10 21:17
Balrog_ the 96% netbook windows mkt share report last week Apr 10 21:18
Balrog_ http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/032609… Apr 10 21:18
schestowitz Really? Apr 10 21:18
schestowitz Same IDC|IDG puppets? Apr 10 21:19
schestowitz Maybe it’s time to flag him Apr 10 21:19
Balrog_ well, they do seem related Apr 10 21:19
Balrog_ maybe. Apr 10 21:19
Balrog_ read the articles first Apr 10 21:19
Balrog_ “Unusually, Kay and Microsoft also choose to sidestep Apple’s higher-end iMacs altogether and try to equate a Mac Pro with a HP Pavilion desktop; according to the paper, a modern Xeon workstation is feature-equivalent to a mid-range home system with a previous-generation Core 2 Quad processor and slower graphics.” Apr 10 21:19
schestowitz Oh wait Apr 10 21:20
Balrog_ come on, that’s just so stupid and clearly is fud Apr 10 21:20
schestowitz You’re showing me Ballmer’s buddy article Apr 10 21:20
schestowitz Shill ONeill Apr 10 21:20
Balrog_ heh Apr 10 21:20
schestowitz That’s not the same guy Apr 10 21:20
schestowitz This one is revolting Apr 10 21:20
schestowitz Should be sacked immediately Apr 10 21:20
schestowitz But it won’t happen Apr 10 21:20
schestowitz IDG fired the FOSS writers Apr 10 21:20
Balrog_ it mentions Roger Kay, from Endpoint Technologies, who’s the guy behind this ‘Apple Tax’ report Apr 10 21:20
schestowitz That’s the type of thugs they are Apr 10 21:20
Balrog_ I see. That ‘windows is not designed for security’ is still missing Apr 10 21:21
schestowitz Maybe we linked to it too much ;-) Apr 10 21:21
schestowitz j/k Apr 10 21:21
schestowitz That’s what I was once told Apr 10 21:21
Balrog_ this may be a good starting point for a blog post. “MS is desparate, attacking Apple” Apr 10 21:21
schestowitz That if it gets attention again, then it can be buried Apr 10 21:21
schestowitz Sounds ludicrous to me, but well… Apr 10 21:21
Balrog_ yeah :/ Apr 10 21:22
schestowitz Balrog: I don’t want to spend time defending APple Apr 10 21:22
schestowitz They already spend $300,000,000/annum on imposed illusions Apr 10 21:22
Balrog_ I know, but it’s showing how desperate they are becoming Apr 10 21:22
schestowitz Balrog: leave it to Daniel Eran et al Apr 10 21:22
Balrog_ OK. Apr 10 21:22
Balrog_ maybe slip it into a larger article, or for that matter put it into those long external link news snippets you have Apr 10 21:23
schestowitz I don’t know enough about it though Apr 10 21:24
schestowitz It’s obvious that Apple is atttacked by Mirosoft Apr 10 21:24
schestowitz But the same goes the other wa Apr 10 21:24
schestowitz *way Apr 10 21:24
Balrog_ ok. I feel it helps show how desperate ms is becoming Apr 10 21:24
schestowitz At a corporate level Apr 10 21:24
schestowitz Not grassroots level Apr 10 21:24
schestowitz OK, I’ll mention it Apr 10 21:25
schestowitz But.. Apr 10 21:25
schestowitz Try to find out the writers history Apr 10 21:25
Balrog_ true. But fud-filled advertising is going pretty far (they’re using this stuff in ads too) Apr 10 21:25
schestowitz Not the same paper/attack Apr 10 21:25
schestowitz See if he met gates or something Apr 10 21:25
schestowitz You’d be surprised… some of them have lunch and are part of the family Apr 10 21:25
Balrog_ you mean the guy behind the report? Apr 10 21:25
schestowitz The Internet is vast enough to find out such stuff Apr 10 21:25
schestowitz And they end up with an egg in the the fact Apr 10 21:26
schestowitz Google “Jonathan Zuck” Apr 10 21:26
schestowitz Balrog: yes Apr 10 21:26
Balrog_ put ‘”roger kay” microsoft’ into google and a lot comes out Apr 10 21:30
Balrog_ he labeled microsoft’s XPS as ‘a PDF killer’ Apr 10 21:30
Balrog_ back in 05 Apr 10 21:30
Balrog_ PDL, not XPS Apr 10 21:31
Balrog_ http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/op… Apr 10 21:31
Balrog_ that’s a mary jo foley article, btw Apr 10 21:31
Balrog_ “Officially unveiled as part of Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates’ kick-off keynote, the new Microsoft document workflow format, code-named “Metro,” sounds from initial explanations like a page-description language meant to compete with Adobe’s PostScript and PDF technologies.” Apr 10 21:31
Balrog_ Apr 10 21:31
Balrog_ “But now it appears that Microsoft is equating Metro with its Longhorn document-management technology. Apr 10 21:32
Balrog_ “It sure sounds like it’s meant as a PDF killer to me,” said Roger Kay, an analyst with International Data Corp., who was at this week’s WinHEC conference.” Apr 10 21:32
Balrog_ << quote Apr 10 21:32
Balrog_ http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/20… Apr 10 21:33
Balrog_ Kay, for his part, is hardly a disinterested observer. He’s been consulting for Microsoft since 2006, offering among other services, according to his webpage, “message tuning, spin management, press release support [and] high quality writing.” Apr 10 21:33
Balrog_ schestowitz: getting interesting. Apr 10 21:34
schestowitz Wait, wait……. Apr 10 21:35
schestowitz IDC?????/ Apr 10 21:35
schestowitz International Data Corp.? Apr 10 21:35
schestowitz Where is he now? Apr 10 21:35
Balrog_ he has his own company now Apr 10 21:35
schestowitz I see.. Apr 10 21:36
Balrog_ he’s president of Endpoint Technology Associates Apr 10 21:36
schestowitz I know another one who worked in IDC Apr 10 21:36
schestowitz Now his own Apr 10 21:36
schestowitz Attacks Linux Apr 10 21:36
schestowitz Dennis Byron Apr 10 21:36
schestowitz Also attacked ODF Apr 10 21:36
schestowitz Things he doesn’t understand Apr 10 21:36
Balrog_ he was writing nonsense about mac and iphone viruses / ‘security’ before Apr 10 21:36
Balrog_ “Apple’s Icarus Effect” Apr 10 21:37
Balrog_ http://www.businessweek.com/technology/… Apr 10 21:37
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schestowitz Balrog: I see….. Apr 10 21:58
Balrog_ yeah. So it seems they’re getting more and more desperate Apr 10 22:00
schestowitz Yes Apr 10 22:05
schestowitz I’ll merge this with another IDC post Apr 10 22:05
schestowitz manana Apr 10 22:05
Balrog_ k. Apr 10 22:05
tacone pft Apr 10 22:06
tacone idc does transcription services for microsoft Apr 10 22:06
tacone when microsoft gives a conference the idc guys get paied to write down what they say for microsoft’s own reference. Apr 10 22:07
Balrog_ I see. Apr 10 22:07
tacone i’ve got a friend who works for idc italy. Apr 10 22:08
Balrog_ interesting Apr 10 22:08
tacone sadly he’s not really IT/tech savy Apr 10 22:09
Balrog_ ah. Apr 10 22:09
tacone but some pearl come out anyway Apr 10 22:09
tacone lol Apr 10 22:09
schestowitz So much money spent on useless weapons…..*sigh* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgIM0sWQ8SI Apr 10 22:14
schestowitz 5 trillion spent in recent years on nukes?!? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v… Apr 10 22:21
Balrog_ wow. Apr 10 22:23
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schestowitz Obama is afraid of showing the world (outwardly) an approach towards bankruptcy. It would leave them fragile and unable to get more loans, I think. Apr 10 22:28
_Hicham_ schestowitz is planning to kill obama Apr 10 22:33
_Hicham_ schestowitz is a confirmed racist Apr 10 22:33
schestowitz No, I like Obama Apr 10 22:33
schestowitz Stop saying crap, _Hicham_ Apr 10 22:33
schestowitz It’s more silly than funny Apr 10 22:34
schestowitz Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7LEg… Apr 10 22:34
_Hicham_ Hi Roy! Apr 10 22:34
schestowitz Very interesting. Apr 10 22:34
_Hicham_ r u in a bad mood or what schestowitz? Apr 10 22:34
Balrog_ schestowitz: I don’t like either party. Apr 10 22:34
schestowitz _Hicham_: no, no bad news Apr 10 22:38
schestowitz But don’t post stuff like “schestowitz is planning to kill obama” Apr 10 22:39
schestowitz It’s silly Apr 10 22:39
schestowitz he’s the guy’s talk about his book: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWQ-1X… Apr 10 22:39
schestowitz I didn’t know that US military bases in the UK were secret Apr 10 22:39
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schestowitz It’s an excellent talk. Recommended Apr 10 22:42
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tacone zomg http://tirania.org/blog/ar… Apr 10 22:50
tacone he can’t disclose the full name yet. the first name is miguel :D Apr 10 22:50
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schestowitz Microsoft is not hiring Apr 10 22:52
schestowitz It’s firing Apr 10 22:52
schestowitz Bad luck, eh? Apr 10 22:52
schestowitz Novell too is firing Apr 10 22:52
tacone well that’s a novell laid of i guess. Apr 10 22:52
schestowitz That’s the two companies that play (fling around) monokey business Apr 10 22:52
tacone when novell goes down Apr 10 22:53
schestowitz tacone: so you think Novell sacked some more people? Apr 10 22:53
tacone “A good friend of mine that has extensive experience with C# and has written significant portions of the Banshee media player, has contributed to our C# 3.0 and C# 4.0 support and to our runtime is looking for a programming job.” Apr 10 22:53
schestowitz Well, I know layoffs are coming, but not just yet Apr 10 22:53
schestowitz tacone: you could get his name by looking at the project Apr 10 22:54
schestowitz Mono people live in secrec Apr 10 22:54
schestowitz *secrecy Apr 10 22:54
tacone when novell goes down, who will take the burden to develop mono ? Apr 10 22:54
schestowitz It’s a prerequisite of a turncoat Apr 10 22:54
tacone given the exclusionary deal for novell ? Apr 10 22:54
schestowitz tacone: /dev/null/ might Apr 10 22:54
tacone when gnome gets finally poisoned enough Apr 10 22:54
tacone and then novell goes down Apr 10 22:55
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tacone what then ? Apr 10 22:55
tacone google is busy speeding up python, they won’t care about mono. Apr 10 22:55
tacone they’re probably speeding up python to avoid mono to take over. Apr 10 22:55
tacone when python get’s 5x faster then what will mono be useful for ? Apr 10 22:56
schestowitz What about Java? Apr 10 22:59
tacone what ? Apr 10 22:59
tacone java is for big business apps. Apr 10 23:00
tacone now it’s gpl ok Apr 10 23:00
tacone but it’s enourmous. Apr 10 23:00
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schestowitz memem: .. Apr 10 23:04
Balrog_ novell owns unix Apr 10 23:04
Balrog_ do you think that could cause issues? Apr 10 23:04
mememe mememe is imamilkydrunk Apr 10 23:04
schestowitz I see… :-) Apr 10 23:04
mememe you see.. you can’t see dat Apr 10 23:04
mememe every info is change Apr 10 23:05
schestowitz Balrog: yes, but ond news Apr 10 23:05
mememe d Apr 10 23:05
schestowitz 2007 Apr 10 23:05
schestowitz We wrote lots about it Apr 10 23:05
schestowitz There’s no legal promise from Novell Apr 10 23:05
schestowitz Just verbal promise, no contract Apr 10 23:05
schestowitz From Bruce Powry Apr 10 23:05
schestowitz He quite Novell later Apr 10 23:05
mememe what kind of promice? Apr 10 23:05
schestowitz *Loery Apr 10 23:05
schestowitz *owry Apr 10 23:05
schestowitz I can’t type cause I eat Apr 10 23:05
mememe and i’m smoking and drinking Apr 10 23:06
Balrog_ schestowitz: also http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windowsexperi… about that thing Apr 10 23:06
mememe like bender in futurama Apr 10 23:06
schestowitz Drinking to sober up Apr 10 23:06
schestowitz Not good education Apr 10 23:06
schestowitz The show glorifies drinking Apr 10 23:07
mememe you better told about promise that novell should’ve given Apr 10 23:07
schestowitz RMS has just published: http://www.stallman.org/articles/zeitgeist.html (The Zeitgeist Movement) Apr 10 23:11
schestowitz “copyright (c) 2009 Richard Stallman “ Apr 10 23:12
schestowitz Hehe. Copyright Apr 10 23:12
mememe wow.. there’s stallman.org Apr 10 23:12
mememe i should search his site for the references of comics Apr 10 23:14
MinceR the unix novell owns is dead Apr 10 23:21
MinceR unix is dead, long live the gnu ;) Apr 10 23:22
mememe unix is dead by linux Apr 10 23:23
mememe sun realised it only this year Apr 10 23:23
MinceR indeed Apr 10 23:25
MinceR they didn’t act on this realization other than trying to sell themselves, though Apr 10 23:25
mememe noo, they are switching to some linux Apr 10 23:28
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schestowitz Balrog: I summarise our discussiob Apr 10 23:55
schestowitz mememe: it’s mostly a political site Apr 10 23:55
schestowitz RMS is a politics buff Apr 10 23:55
tacone this was fun: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/u… Apr 10 23:58
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