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| schestowitz | Say it many times | Apr 11 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | To dilute the word | Apr 11 20:39 |
| MinceR | War is Freedom | Apr 11 20:39 |
| MinceR | oops | Apr 11 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Here in IRC we can replace all words like "bad" with "terror" | Apr 11 20:39 |
| MinceR | i've mixed up the quote | Apr 11 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Then terror stops meaning much | Apr 11 20:39 |
| MinceR | we could use "terror" as a greeting | Apr 11 20:39 |
| schestowitz | It's just a 'junk food' word like apparently | Apr 11 20:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Or innocent women and children locked up in their homes, starving to death... and being killed and massacred with no mercy... | Apr 11 20:39 |
| MinceR | "Good terror to all!" | Apr 11 20:40 |
| schestowitz | "terra Brotha!" | Apr 11 20:40 |
| schestowitz | High five | Apr 11 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Like people who before the 2008 election added a middle name | Apr 11 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Hussein | Apr 11 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Netscape's founder is among them | Apr 11 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Because of Obama. sticking it to Republican FUD | Apr 11 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Watch this headline: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... Gavin Clarke, the MS shill, is spreading terror | Apr 11 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Linux and "core dump" in the same headline. It's terrible terroristic. it scares the reader who wanted to try Linux... | Apr 11 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Terribly said, no? | Apr 11 20:42 |
| MinceR | It's terror. | Apr 11 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Amazon should really join Open Cloud. What they do at the moment is immobilise and proprietarise Free software. | Apr 11 20:49 |
| schestowitz | This headline is just utter terror: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxp... | Apr 11 20:53 |
| schestowitz | They changed it from the original and as usual (For Linux Planet) they trolled in it. | Apr 11 20:53 |
| schestowitz | The way they present may also make it seem like they call Mark Shuttlworth "ugly duckling" | Apr 11 20:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/04/09... "Spec for spec, the XP version is also $35 cheaper than the Mi version." HP is selling Linux for MORE than Windows XP. | Apr 11 20:58 |
| MinceR | more value for more money? | Apr 11 20:58 |
| MinceR | the solution is obvious, though | Apr 11 20:58 |
| MinceR | don't buy hp | Apr 11 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Of course, but | Apr 11 20:59 |
| schestowitz | They'll interpret this as no demand for Linux | Apr 11 20:59 |
| schestowitz | "So while I have indeed contributed to the official Microsoft share of the U.S. netbook market, I am on record here as saying all of my netbooks, including the two Windows XP ones I got for a total of $500, now run Linux. Thus, Linux has 100% market share here, even if the official statistics don’t have it right." | Apr 11 21:00 |
| schestowitz | From http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009... | Apr 11 21:00 |
| MinceR | i wonder how much did ballmer pay hp for that | Apr 11 21:00 |
| MinceR | or perhaps they merely threatened them with increasing the price of windows licenses | Apr 11 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Either way, it reeks of corruption of one kind or another | Apr 11 21:03 |
| MinceR | where there's windows, there's corruption. | Apr 11 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Smashed windows. | Apr 11 21:08 |
| schestowitz | "Watch ya knees, darling" | Apr 11 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | Here's a though I've just had. Why can't file watermarking be subveryted by simple I/O? Like open file, put in another more cleanly/cleanly/slightly scrambled? | Apr 11 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Basically, it's like DRM. Trivial to strip. | Apr 11 21:11 |
| MinceR | you need to know where the watermark is hidden in order to strip it | Apr 11 21:14 |
| schestowitz | But can't you rencode with some noise? | Apr 11 21:16 |
| schestowitz | *re-encode | Apr 11 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Multimedia is based on the assumption that noise is tolerable. it's not an executable | Apr 11 21:17 |
| MinceR | you could but you'd have to add more noise to be sure it's gone | Apr 11 21:20 |
| MinceR | say you're pretty confident they will only change the lowermost 4 bits of the audio -> you have to replace all of them with random bits | Apr 11 21:21 |
| MinceR | and even if the lowest 1 bit is used to hold the watermark, the watermark might not necessarily replace it entirely with noise | Apr 11 21:22 |
| MinceR | there might be some algorithm to make the watermark less noisy | Apr 11 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Novell has just pushed this into the Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?... | Apr 11 21:22 |
| tacone | omf | Apr 11 21:25 |
| tacone | mono | Apr 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Banshee | Apr 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | They promote this garbage in the lyrics | Apr 11 21:26 |
| tacone | the mono logo ! | Apr 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Where? | Apr 11 21:26 |
| tacone | 3:00 circa | Apr 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | I see now | Apr 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | yeah.. | Apr 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Smack the Monkey | Apr 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Novell uploaded this video twice... like on Friday I think..... | Apr 11 21:27 |
| tacone | the video is very nice. | Apr 11 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Good video to remind us that novell is "Linux" for lamers | Apr 11 21:27 |
| tacone | it's just an aspiring viral video | Apr 11 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know. Spiraling too | Apr 11 21:28 |
| schestowitz | MinceR's taste of music :-p | Apr 11 21:28 |
| tacone | poor MinceR. | Apr 11 21:29 |
| MinceR | what | Apr 11 21:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: re watermarks, sure, if the algo is good | Apr 11 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Kind of like 'unhackable' Blueray :-) | Apr 11 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Bluray BD.. | Apr 11 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Or any DRM for that matter. | Apr 11 21:30 |
| MinceR | well, my point is that if you don't know the watermarking algorithm, you might lose a lot more quality than you really have to | Apr 11 21:30 |
| schestowitz | I never had any experience with DRM (or watermarks) | Apr 11 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Poor me... :-) I guess we're all 'bahind' | Apr 11 21:30 |
| MinceR | neither have i -- except for "watermarked" pdf-s | Apr 11 21:30 |
| MinceR | (but that was really obvious) | Apr 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | I hear that Vista thing has this latest "technology" | Apr 11 21:31 |
| tacone | watermark are for tracing people. | Apr 11 21:34 |
| MinceR | we know :> | Apr 11 21:34 |
| tacone | oh >:( | Apr 11 21:34 |
| MinceR | (offtopic) (flash) (video) (music) http://vimeo.com/3514904?pg... | Apr 11 21:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitot... | Apr 11 21:40 |
| MinceR | translation? | Apr 11 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Politically Timed "Terror" Arrests - the Real Bob Quick Scandal < http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/20... > | Apr 11 21:40 |
| tacone | Error 404, deputies un-findable | Apr 11 21:41 |
| tacone | impossible to find the law(?) Hadopi | Apr 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechn... "A Google Street View cameraman told a photographer "don't you take pictures of me" when he tried to reverse roles on him and take his photograph. " | Apr 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Priceless | Apr 11 21:41 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 11 21:42 |
| schestowitz | tacone: This week showed a quite surprising turn of events at the French Assemblée Nationale. The French Parliament actually rejected the infamous HADOPI law (the three-strikes law). http://standardsandfreedom.net/index... | Apr 11 21:43 |
| tacone | Jean-F. Copè did not found the deputies necessary to access the vote. | Apr 11 21:43 |
| tacone | - has the socialist party proceeded to a derisory manouver ? | Apr 11 21:43 |
| tacone | - is your minister of culture enough clever ? Please verify | Apr 11 21:43 |
| tacone | - is your (law) project acceptable for your own party deputies ? please keep your majority. | Apr 11 21:43 |
| schestowitz | How the government uses dirty data to legislate morality < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... > | Apr 11 21:44 |
| schestowitz | "When it comes to sex and censorship, Government's insistence that laws are "evidence-based" is little more than hot air." | Apr 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it's French Revolution in reverse. | Apr 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Return to feudalism | Apr 11 21:45 |
| tacone | schestowitz: yes, but it was just for lack of legal number | Apr 11 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Add caption (found in glymoody): http://www.flickr.com/photos/kioko/2... | Apr 11 21:47 |
| tacone | which is a fairly common failure for right wing party | Apr 11 21:47 |
| tacone | the law will be voted again in 10-15 days. | Apr 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, what MAFIAA wants MAFIAA will get. | Apr 11 21:47 |
| tacone | usually is not that easy to force french peopl to swallow something they don't like | Apr 11 21:48 |
| MinceR | tacone: thx | Apr 11 21:48 |
| tacone | but since they voted right, after decades of left. maybe even that is going to change. | Apr 11 21:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.avaaz.org/en/fix_british... "Peaceful protest is an essential part of our democracy. But at the G20 demonstrations last week it was threatened by flawed policing -- targeting the peaceful majority instead of isolating the handful of troublemakers. Watch one of the many videos which have shocked the nation, and let's stop this from ever happening again. " | Apr 11 21:48 |
| schestowitz | YouTube Rejects Real Name System for Korean Users < http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/... > | Apr 11 21:50 |
| schestowitz | http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/g... " | Apr 11 21:51 |
| schestowitz | NOTE: Both Taleb and I conclude that the best way to deal with this risk is to simplify our global economic system. Taleb recommends that we turn back the clock to a simpler time. In contrast, I recommend that we organically evolve into a more efficient decentralized system that concentrates on community resilience. " | Apr 11 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | Good comments here: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_stor... | Apr 11 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Free to a Good Home: Junk < http://www.linuxjournal.com/co... > | Apr 11 22:01 |
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| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : anything new? | Apr 11 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | Not much | Apr 11 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | I angered a few Microsoft fanboys and ended up deleting some comments on Youtube | Apr 11 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 11 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | not cause I am trying to censor, because they were unintelligible and mostly foul language | Apr 11 22:04 |
| _Hicham_ | which Youtube content did u comment on? | Apr 11 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | I was a video where I talked about Windows 7 | Apr 11 22:05 |
| _Hicham_ | the video still exist? | Apr 11 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watc... | Apr 11 22:06 |
| amarsh04 | I'm not entirely sure why Debian closes bugs on KDE 3.5.X when KDE 4.2.X isn't fully ready - I'd still like to get a relatively small number of problems fixed in KDE 3.5.X rather than battle the new bugs in KDE 4.2.X | Apr 11 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Should 32-bit Be Retired? < http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=271 > OH, come on.,.. | Apr 11 22:08 |
| MinceR | perhaps 4.2 is ready enough for them :> | Apr 11 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | well, 32-bit x86 is hard to kill | Apr 11 22:09 |
| _Hicham_ | amarsh04 : KDE 3.5.X will just have security patches | Apr 11 22:09 |
| amarsh04 | hehe... | Apr 11 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | mostly because people are cheap, ignorant or stupid | Apr 11 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, Ryan | Apr 11 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | there's really few reasons to actually support it | Apr 11 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Can I make ogg and link from BN? | Apr 11 22:09 |
| amarsh04 | and 32 bit ARM will be around longer | Apr 11 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | sure | Apr 11 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Cool, thanks. | Apr 11 22:09 |
| tacone | lol, the arch april fool | Apr 11 22:10 |
| amarsh04 | yes, agreed about the security patches... I prefer that konqueror 3.5.10 doesn't crash and won't upgrade that because that means upgrading to KDE 4.2.2 | Apr 11 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | should have kept my original | Apr 11 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | it was an ogg | Apr 11 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 11 22:11 |
| amarsh04 | lots of 32 bit ppc around as automotive computer cpus and the like | Apr 11 22:12 |
| schestowitz | That's ok. I ffmpeg is promptly. | Apr 11 22:12 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : host it on ur website, instead of having to use flash format | Apr 11 22:13 |
| _Hicham_ | and use the video tag | Apr 11 22:13 |
| _Hicham_ | I prefer the video tag to using flash | Apr 11 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but then IE7, IE8, Firefox 3 and lower, and Opera can't use it | Apr 11 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Linux Magazine is picking up Linux.com writer (second person I see this week): Combining Debian and FreeBSD; Pushing the Envelope of FOSS < http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7295 > | Apr 11 22:14 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I'll do it <video> | Apr 11 22:14 |
| MinceR | i prefer a link to the video file | Apr 11 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | you need to use a non-IE development version of your browser to use that | Apr 11 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Apr 11 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Just catching it still. | Apr 11 22:15 |
| MinceR | that way it won't be in the browser window | Apr 11 22:15 |
| schestowitz | To ensure DaemonFC doesn't start shouting at some crowds :-) | Apr 11 22:15 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : better push browsers to adopt it | Apr 11 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Like in IRC... | Apr 11 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | does the Mac rip to AIFF if you want to just create uncompressed PCM audio? | Apr 11 22:20 |
| *DaemonFC is trying to figure out what the hell made those AIFF files he just converted to FLAC | Apr 11 22:21 | |
| schestowitz | This is you? http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2... | Apr 11 22:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's posted now. Microsoft should have mailed you a $2000 gift to ensure you say nice things. Earlier today I caught IDG and other Microsoft mouthpieces talking about what bribed bloggers said without actually TRYING it THEMSELVES. | Apr 11 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Apr 11 22:32 |
| schestowitz | When Vista was near release in 2006 (before and after RTM) Microsoft dispatched dissent against people who crtiticised it. They also recited slogans like "Vista will kill Linux" or "last nail of the coffin of Linux". So far it's mostly the same. They invest hundreds of millions on the image of Vista7. They made a budget of $500m | Apr 11 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Some sources say $300m | Apr 11 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 11 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Did you get that story about Microsoft losing the patent lawsuit? | Apr 11 22:40 |
| _Hicham_ | when I was using MSVC to port a project to Windows, I thought about searching the MSDN for the term "Linux", and guess what I did find? This is one of the results I found : "How to remove Linux from your system" !!!!!!!! | Apr 11 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | The one where they infringed patents to create Product Activation? | Apr 11 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | they were ordered to pay the company that held the patents $388 Million | Apr 11 22:41 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: http://opensource.org/node/421 | Apr 11 22:43 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they appeal | Apr 11 22:43 |
| schestowitz | It was the same against Alcatel-Lucent | Apr 11 22:43 |
| schestowitz | But this time they can't countersue and settle | Apr 11 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/... | Apr 11 22:44 |
| schestowitz | because Alcatel-Lucent has real products; it's not a patent troll or little so-called 'inventor' | Apr 11 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 11 22:44 |
| schestowitz | They are closing down more now | Apr 11 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Running out of money | Apr 11 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | "We're broke," as Slated put it | Apr 11 22:44 |
| Slated, broke? | Apr 11 22:45 | |
| DaemonFC | Lucent? | Apr 11 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 11 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Today(ish): Microsoft cancels campus pub < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Mic... > | Apr 11 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Drinking At Work Just Got Harder At Microsoft < http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/41... > | Apr 11 22:45 |
| No free beer for you! | Apr 11 22:45 | |
| ha ha | Apr 11 22:45 | |
| schestowitz | It's safe to rely on Microsoft's death for Linux Renaissance on the desktop. Windows already competes at the SAME PRICE. | Apr 11 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | they got greedy back in the 90s and started making cheap controllerless "WinModems" that leeched CPU time to avoid putting a hardware DSP on the card. | Apr 11 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Windows/Vista7 will be a freebie too | Apr 11 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Free for sub-notebooks | Apr 11 22:46 |
| schestowitz | But a cripples version | Apr 11 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Intel's CEO said it would backfire | Apr 11 22:46 |
| schestowitz | And he's a buddy of Ballmer|gates | Apr 11 22:46 |
| tacone | uhm | Apr 11 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | well, you can't just give something away and expect to stay in business | Apr 11 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Intel has Moblin | Apr 11 22:46 |
| tacone | dell's adamo doesn't ship Intel and Windows stickers | Apr 11 22:46 |
| got the Intel quote? | Apr 11 22:46 | |
| schestowitz | Because it has ARM to compete vs | Apr 11 22:46 |
| schestowitz | And ARM is WIndows-free zone | Apr 11 22:47 |
| tacone | a great advance of technology :) | Apr 11 22:47 |
| schestowitz | CE is a dead duck | Apr 11 22:47 |
| I've seen him saying that M$ needs a "plan" | Apr 11 22:47 | |
| DaemonFC | even Canonical has a reason for dumping Ubuntu discs on everyone | Apr 11 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's marketing | Apr 11 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Windows Mobile isgoign nowhere. | Apr 11 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | they want you to be familiar with Ubuntu, edeploy it at work, and buy support | Apr 11 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Found this afternoon: http://www.businessinsider.com/google-andr... (Google Tablet Leaves Windows Mobile Eating Dust (GOOG, MSFT)) | Apr 11 22:47 |
| schestowitz | twitter: Microsoft does have a plan | Apr 11 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Shot-term | Apr 11 22:47 |
| schestowitz | To dump Windows... at customers | Apr 11 22:47 |
| schestowitz | But Linux is not a company | Apr 11 22:48 |
| schestowitz | That's how they crashed Borland | Apr 11 22:48 |
| yeah, but Intel CEO does not think it will work | Apr 11 22:48 | |
| schestowitz | It won't work against a coalition (Linux Foundation) | Apr 11 22:48 |
| It's how they crashed everyone. | Apr 11 22:48 | |
| It's not working anyomore | Apr 11 22:48 | |
| schestowitz | Essentially, they pissed off too many people like Ellison, Hurd and Palmisano so they turn the OS to a commodity | Apr 11 22:48 |
| schestowitz | twitter: will look for the Intel quote | Apr 11 22:49 |
| schestowitz | brb | Apr 11 22:49 |
| schestowitz | twitter: not Slated being broke.... | Apr 11 22:49 |
| schestowitz | He showed another MS division eating dust some days ago | Apr 11 22:50 |
| ah | Apr 11 22:50 | |
| schestowitz | He quoted Microsoft | Apr 11 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Then translared their words that say they run out of money | Apr 11 22:50 |
| schestowitz | [still looking] http://www.pcretailmag.com/news/29939/... (Otellini: 'MID revolution will be centred round Linux') | Apr 11 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer: GNU/Linux Will Win on Netbooks < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/... > | Apr 11 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Still looking for Otellini quote | Apr 11 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Got it. | Apr 11 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Otellini: Windows 7 Upgrade for Netbooks Will Be Tough' < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160967/w... > | Apr 11 22:52 |
| OMG, they really burnt the bar subcontractor. | Apr 11 22:52 | |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft has a challenge: Sell a Windows upgrade as a way to save money." | Apr 11 22:52 |
| schestowitz | "The company's fourth quarter Windows revenue declined 8 percent, as PC buyers opted for lower-priced netbooks that run either Windows XP or Linux, rather than the higher-priced Windows Vista operating system, which does not run on netbook hardware." | Apr 11 22:52 |
| Yeah, I think that's the one I saw. | Apr 11 22:52 | |
| schestowitz | I think Q1 report is 2 weeks away | Apr 11 22:52 |
| schestowitz | It'll be ugly if many netbooks were sold | Apr 11 22:53 |
| schestowitz | But they will cook the books as usual. | Apr 11 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Like their employee/whistleblower said they do | Apr 11 22:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dailytech.com/Reports+Microsoft+C... (Reports: Microsoft Cripples Windows 7 Starter Edition in Hopes of Netbook Upgrades) | Apr 11 22:53 |
| From what I've seen, they are dumping M$ loaded netbooks on schools. | Apr 11 22:53 | |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 seems to be almost exactly like Vista, only easier to ruin | Apr 11 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Dana Bass IIRC: Microsoft’s Windows 7 May Not Cure Netbook Headache < http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pi... > | Apr 11 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | I can't believe I corrupted it so bad it couldn't boot jsut trying to put software for my webcam on it (not even the driver, the software) | Apr 11 22:54 |
| schestowitz | One Third of Dell Inspiron Mini 9s Sold Run Linux < http://blog.laptopmag.com/one-third-of... > | Apr 11 22:54 |
| _Hicham_ | fuck Windows, fuck Microsoft | Apr 11 22:54 |
| schestowitz | math: Windows 7 + netbook = failure - GNU/Linux as remaining winner! < http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,10000... > | Apr 11 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft losing control of netbooks < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer... > | Apr 11 22:54 |
| schestowitz | I'd say, maybe not "in netbooks" | Apr 11 22:55 |
| schestowitz | They lose control | Apr 11 22:55 |
| schestowitz | By giving WIndows for free | Apr 11 22:55 |
| schestowitz | They began this in May 2008 | Apr 11 22:55 |
| schestowitz | The memo leaked to IDG News Servcie | Apr 11 22:55 |
| schestowitz | before that, the majority of netbooks ran WIndows | Apr 11 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Is there a Bonnie++ for Windows? | Apr 11 22:55 |
| schestowitz | As the memo article said, "Microsoft decided to put an end to it" | Apr 11 22:56 |
| you mean linux | Apr 11 22:56 | |
| schestowitz | The cost: Windows margins | Apr 11 22:56 |
| schestowitz | OOPS | Apr 11 22:56 |
| schestowitz | I meant, "before that, the majority of netbooks ran Linux' | Apr 11 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Almost all of them ran Linux. Windows was sometimes just an option | Apr 11 22:56 |
| they also crippled netbook specs and punished OEMs that don't play nice, like ASUS which suffered it's first ever loss on inventory. | Apr 11 22:56 | |
| schestowitz | Amazon's top sellers were Apple computers and Linux netbooks | Apr 11 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Like 70% of them or something | Apr 11 22:56 |
| schestowitz | twitter: that too | Apr 11 22:57 |
| schestowitz | They later changed the limits | Apr 11 22:57 |
| schestowitz | But they still crippled them | Apr 11 22:57 |
| I think the Windows sales are fake, it's hype to drive sales. | Apr 11 22:57 | |
| schestowitz | Else Netbooks become Notebooks with free (gratis) Windows | Apr 11 22:57 |
| schestowitz | In which case, Windows is zeroing its margins | Apr 11 22:57 |
| schestowitz | And people use Google Apps/OOo, esp. on weak h/w | Apr 11 22:57 |
| Anyone with any technical knowledge knows that a Windows netbook won't run well and will burn up in six months. | Apr 11 22:57 | |
| schestowitz | They can't use Office 2007 on netbooks | Apr 11 22:58 |
| schestowitz | it's too fat and unresponsive | Apr 11 22:58 |
| It's hard to use Office 2007 on anything. | Apr 11 22:58 | |
| schestowitz | No WIndows profit + no Office = ?? | Apr 11 22:58 |
| no beer. | Apr 11 22:58 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: well, dual-core would do | Apr 11 22:58 |
| schestowitz | OK for engineers | Apr 11 22:58 |
| schestowitz | People whose computer is their occupation | Apr 11 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Not good for Average Jane | Apr 11 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Esp. not in this economy | Apr 11 22:59 |
| I'm not sure about that, they changed the interface. Even if your computer can run Office 2007, the user is left frustrated. | Apr 11 22:59 | |
| The usual morons are pushing Office 2007 though. School systems are starting to demand docx and hand out "educational" material using it. | Apr 11 23:00 | |
| a real push is on and University dumping is now viral. | Apr 11 23:00 | |
| schestowitz | People forget Microsoft's workforce trouble | Apr 11 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Only Microsoft develops Windows | Apr 11 23:00 |
| schestowitz | And it must maintain many versions, inc. XP | Apr 11 23:01 |
| I met someone who supplied most of her small town with M$ Office 2007 through LSU's student software rape program. | Apr 11 23:01 | |
| schestowitz | Because upgrades are neither smooth no free | Apr 11 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | It's not like Fedora! | Apr 11 23:01 |
| They dump on everyone through the university. | Apr 11 23:01 | |
| schestowitz | So as oiaohm points out, they can't maintain when they lose programmers | Apr 11 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Is there freeware screengrab software for Windows? | Apr 11 23:01 |
| vista | Apr 11 23:01 | |
| schestowitz | Windows can't rely on:1) others writing patches and testing them; 2) people upgrading to the latest (it's not free) | Apr 11 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | I want to video some particular problems I'm talking about | Apr 11 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Bloat in Vista did not help, either | Apr 11 23:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: well, printscreen | Apr 11 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Not much of an app though, is it...? | Apr 11 23:02 |
| not video | Apr 11 23:02 | |
| schestowitz | I used import for 8 years | Apr 11 23:02 |
| better to use a static image anyway. | Apr 11 23:03 | |
| schestowitz | Now I use the GIMP's UI for screenshots. KDE has one built in too | Apr 11 23:03 |
| schestowitz | http://tips.webdesign10.com/how-to-take-a... | Apr 11 23:03 |
| schestowitz | I know the guy who wrote this | Apr 11 23:03 |
| tacone | also shutter | Apr 11 23:03 |
| tacone | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/if-you-blo... | Apr 11 23:04 |
| schestowitz | The 'problem' with Linux is that you can achieve the same thing in different ways | Apr 11 23:04 |
| schestowitz | It's not really a problem | Apr 11 23:04 |
| schestowitz | For someone watching what you do it might seem odd | Apr 11 23:04 |
| schestowitz | But you get things done anyway | Apr 11 23:04 |
| tacone | to video recordmydesktop. | Apr 11 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Like resolving from the CLI problems you can resolve from the GUI | Apr 11 23:04 |
| schestowitz | If gets the same job done either way | Apr 11 23:04 |
| tacone | depends | Apr 11 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Two routes, same outcome | Apr 11 23:05 |
| tacone | on macosx there are two routes to burn a cd | Apr 11 23:05 |
| schestowitz | tacone: KDE/GNOME is another issue | Apr 11 23:05 |
| tacone | confusing at most. and one way work, the other don't :) | Apr 11 23:05 |
| schestowitz | That's where there are different solutions that do not work universally | Apr 11 23:05 |
| schestowitz | So for documentation it can be a pain | Apr 11 23:05 |
| schestowitz | The CLI though is universal. GNU utils and Linux stuff. | Apr 11 23:05 |
| You've been away from Windows too long, Roy. | Apr 11 23:06 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: it has a GIU too | Apr 11 23:06 |
| There's far less documentation on that OS. | Apr 11 23:06 | |
| schestowitz | For ipconfig for example | Apr 11 23:06 |
| schestowitz | twitter: Windows has 'documentation' | Apr 11 23:06 |
| schestowitz | You can some number | Apr 11 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Like an ISP/shop | Apr 11 23:06 |
| There's also a multitude of nasty, non free ways of doing things and none of them ever really work. | Apr 11 23:06 | |
| _Hicham_ | Windows has MSDN | Apr 11 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes reach someone half way across the globe | Apr 11 23:06 |
| tacone | by the way i tried macosx. it isn't any better than gnome. i was surprised. | Apr 11 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Get told to reinstall. | Apr 11 23:06 |
| *DaemonFC has quit ("Windows is like playing Russian Roulette with six loaded chambers.") | Apr 11 23:07 | |
| LMAO, Hicham. | Apr 11 23:07 | |
| schestowitz | 'Solves' the problem. | Apr 11 23:07 |
| tacone | it isn't even pretty. | Apr 11 23:07 |
| schestowitz | tacone: matter of taste | Apr 11 23:07 |
| do you think end users want to go to a Developer Network to figure out something like how to take a screenshot? | Apr 11 23:07 | |
| schestowitz | How versatile is theming in OS X? | Apr 11 23:07 |
| _Hicham_ | MSDN is very well organized | Apr 11 23:07 |
| schestowitz | I rarely see much customisation in OS X. | Apr 11 23:07 |
| tacone | schestowitz: it doesn't exist. | Apr 11 23:07 |
| schestowitz | It's kind of like XP Fisher Price | Apr 11 23:07 |
| tacone | 10.4 had some third party apps | Apr 11 23:08 |
| schestowitz | I'd hate to use a Mac that has ALWAYS the same hardware AND theme | Apr 11 23:08 |
| schestowitz | It's kind of commie | Apr 11 23:08 |
| MSDN can be as well organized as Google can make it, but it still sucks | Apr 11 23:08 | |
| tacone | 10.5 has seen the light of a theme-app very recently. | Apr 11 23:08 |
| schestowitz | No indovoduality allowed | Apr 11 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Apple instructs... on what's 'cool' | Apr 11 23:08 |
| tacone | i was looking after that the other day. i wanted to build an utility to convert mac icon themes to X11 | Apr 11 23:08 |
| I'm having to use Windoze every day. It sucks life. | Apr 11 23:08 | |
| tacone | but no standard nor official way exists. you download the icons and set them 1 per 1 basis. | Apr 11 23:09 |
| The single screen interface with zero flexibility. | Apr 11 23:09 | |
| Documentation from 15 vendors in 15 spots, none of it useful. | Apr 11 23:09 | |
| It makes me pull my hair. | Apr 11 23:09 | |
| tacone | i was surprised at how much macosx sucks. guess windows is better in many ways. | Apr 11 23:09 |
| schestowitz | I like the theme in OS X | Apr 11 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Fonts seem nice 'by default | Apr 11 23:10 |
| _Hicham_ | Linux>Windows>MacOS | Apr 11 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Can achieve the same in Linux of course.. | Apr 11 23:10 |
| silentivm | the only thing I like on OS X by default are fonts | Apr 11 23:10 |
| silentivm | otherwise? nope | Apr 11 23:10 |
| tacone | macosx theme is nice. but well.. it doesn't look that good a 1280. and by the way, you can't change it. | Apr 11 23:10 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : Fedora looks better | Apr 11 23:10 |
| No, if you believe in non free, you want Apple. | Apr 11 23:10 | |
| silentivm | the dock is a complete turn-off | Apr 11 23:10 |
| tacone | the default font seems normal to me, but i have no taste for fonts. | Apr 11 23:10 |
| schestowitz | First thing I do in KDE is use my fancy fonts | Apr 11 23:10 |
| MinceR | osx theme is nice... for me to poop on! | Apr 11 23:10 |
| the whole point of non free is that someone else takes care of the "hard parts" | Apr 11 23:10 | |
| Apple does this and provides things that work. | Apr 11 23:10 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR:yo, comic insult dog | Apr 11 23:10 |
| Windows does not work. | Apr 11 23:11 | |
| silentivm | OS X is too whitey for me... I prefer darker themes | Apr 11 23:11 |
| I prefer things that work. | Apr 11 23:11 | |
| silentivm | yep | Apr 11 23:11 |
| silentivm | so do I | Apr 11 23:11 |
| MinceR | i prefer things that work | Apr 11 23:11 |
| MinceR | that's why i use gnu/linux | Apr 11 23:11 |
| tacone | osx theme is nice. but it's the only one. and when you see it for a day or two, it doesn't look nice anymore. | Apr 11 23:11 |
| schestowitz | ââââââ¬(23:11 $)âââ¬> uptime | Apr 11 23:11 |
| schestowitz | 23:11:32 up 38 days, 8:29, 2 users, load average: 0.66, 0.96, 1.08 | Apr 11 23:11 |
| silentivm | I once configured GNOME+Compiz+awn to look like OS X | Apr 11 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Does OS X reboot upon updates? | Apr 11 23:11 |
| tacone | which updates ? | Apr 11 23:12 |
| OSX looks like a fancy E16 to me. | Apr 11 23:12 | |
| tacone | :) | Apr 11 23:12 |
| tacone | yes, sometimes at least. | Apr 11 23:12 |
| _Hicham_ | fuck OSX | Apr 11 23:12 |
| so will gnu/linux if you update a crucial part of the kernel. | Apr 11 23:12 | |
| I've still been having power management issues. | Apr 11 23:13 | |
| schestowitz | roy@baine (at work):~$ uptime 22:53:09 up 75 days, 11:54, 2 users, load average: 0.13, 0.26, 0.23 | Apr 11 23:13 |
| tacone | i never really gave osx a chance but... it seems a pig covered with gems to me. | Apr 11 23:13 |
| _Hicham_ | fuck Apple too | Apr 11 23:13 |
| These are new bugs that I did not have in Etch. | Apr 11 23:13 | |
| tacone | i like microsoft better than apple. | Apr 11 23:13 |
| schestowitz | tacone: BSD is a pig? | Apr 11 23:13 |
| _Hicham_ | twitter : what bugs? | Apr 11 23:13 |
| schestowitz | It's a devil | Apr 11 23:13 |
| tacone | the kernel may be good. the user interface seems crappy + some nice animation | Apr 11 23:14 |
| i810 something about setting audio sample rate takes forever on wake up | Apr 11 23:14 | |
| _Hicham_ | twitter : do u run Lenny on a laptop? | Apr 11 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Underneath the shiny Apple there's a devil | Apr 11 23:14 |
| I run Lenny everywhere | Apr 11 23:14 | |
| schestowitz | Actually there might be too. They also have DRM underneath the sea (Aqua) | Apr 11 23:14 |
| schestowitz | *two | Apr 11 23:15 |
| If I had a mac, I'd run Lenny. | Apr 11 23:15 | |
| _Hicham_ | I didn't test suspend on Lenny yet | Apr 11 23:15 |
| silentivm | if I had a Mac, I'd run... Arch Linux, of course | Apr 11 23:15 |
| tacone | pft. they put drm everywhere. even on the steak if no salt is available. | Apr 11 23:15 |
| silentivm | :) | Apr 11 23:15 |
| MinceR | bsd isn't a pig, it's a dinosaur | Apr 11 23:15 |
| It's hardware dependent, ACPI sucks. | Apr 11 23:15 | |
| tacone | mac sucks at running linux. | Apr 11 23:15 |
| silentivm | :( | Apr 11 23:15 |
| tacone | i actually have a mac. | Apr 11 23:15 |
| I've played with OpenSolaris a little lately. | Apr 11 23:15 | |
| tacone | and i run ubuntu instead of macosx. | Apr 11 23:15 |
| _Hicham_ | fuck Mac | Apr 11 23:16 |
| they are using a lot of GNU tools. | Apr 11 23:16 | |
| tacone | we're talking about a machine that can't even boot an usb drive. | Apr 11 23:16 |
| silentivm | I don't really hate Apple, I just fail to see what's so cool about their products. | Apr 11 23:16 |
| _Hicham_ | Apple + MS = gangs of thiefs | Apr 11 23:16 |
| tacone | silentivm: think again. they're as evil as microsoft. | Apr 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | OpenOffice.org 3.1 delayed to the end of April < http://www.h-online.com/open/OpenOffice... > | Apr 11 23:16 |
| silentivm | tacone, hmm | Apr 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even know it was due | Apr 11 23:16 |
| tacone | microsoft is like mafia, apple is more like a criminal gang. | Apr 11 23:16 |
| MinceR | 002535 < tacone> i actually have a mac. | Apr 11 23:16 |
| MinceR | tacone: well, at least you can keep the wind from slamming the door with something. | Apr 11 23:16 |
| _Hicham_ | what is new about open office 3.1? | Apr 11 23:16 |
| tacone | MinceR: ? | Apr 11 23:17 |
| MinceR | tacone: a doorstop from apple. | Apr 11 23:17 |
| Anyone know how to video conference with free software? | Apr 11 23:17 | |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: grammar checker and stuff... I can't recall. | Apr 11 23:17 |
| schestowitz | It's supposed to be faster too | Apr 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | twitter: depends on the SW used | Apr 11 23:18 |
| _Hicham_ | it is already in experimental | Apr 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Some s/w supports Linux | Apr 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Some uses Flash | Apr 11 23:18 |
| no flash, please | Apr 11 23:18 | |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: RC | Apr 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | twitter: I know. | Apr 11 23:18 |
| I've got working video all day long | Apr 11 23:18 | |
| schestowitz | Wait until Ogg comes | Apr 11 23:19 |
| schestowitz | But does it stream well? | Apr 11 23:19 |
| schestowitz | And what about mics? | Apr 11 23:19 |
| _Hicham_ | fuck Flash | Apr 11 23:19 |
| audio is easy | Apr 11 23:19 | |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : streaming is not format related | Apr 11 23:19 |
| Ekigia is supposed to work but I'm clueless | Apr 11 23:19 | |
| _Hicham_ | twitter : Ekiga for streaming? | Apr 11 23:19 |
| It used to be gnome-meetin | Apr 11 23:20 | |
| g | Apr 11 23:20 | |
| tacone | ogg success depends on how good the browsers implement their player. | Apr 11 23:20 |
| _Hicham_ | twitter : I think it will be superseeded by Empathy... | Apr 11 23:20 |
| _Hicham_ | Firefox' one is working great | Apr 11 23:20 |
| _Hicham_ | I tested it in OLPC | Apr 11 23:21 |
| _Hicham_ | Firefox3.1 is days away | Apr 11 23:21 |
| tacone | 3.5 ? | Apr 11 23:21 |
| _Hicham_ | aka 3.5 | Apr 11 23:22 |
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| _Hicham_ | it is now in its beta 3 | Apr 11 23:22 |
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| tacone | i heard about june. | Apr 11 23:24 |
| tacone | not days. | Apr 11 23:24 |
| tacone | i may be wrong, though. | Apr 11 23:24 |
| tacone | but beta 3 sounds like far. | Apr 11 23:24 |
| tacone | means several weeks away | Apr 11 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I was thinking about controls | Apr 11 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Ogg won't do interaction alone, BUT.. | Apr 11 23:27 |
| schestowitz | You could use some more Javascript for that | Apr 11 23:27 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I think maybe June...? | Apr 11 23:28 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure about this | Apr 11 23:28 |
| schestowitz | I read about the dates being shifted the other day | Apr 11 23:28 |
| tacone | that what i heard as well. | Apr 11 23:28 |
| tacone | let's hope they get performance right once for all. | Apr 11 23:29 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : Firefox will handle interaction | Apr 11 23:29 |
| tacone | chromium linux is amazing. | Apr 11 23:29 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone : is it available for download? | Apr 11 23:29 |
| tacone | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/... | Apr 11 23:30 |
| tacone | if you're on ubuntu, yes. | Apr 11 23:30 |
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| tacone | otherwise you may have to compile yourself, which means downloading gigabytes (i guess) | Apr 11 23:30 |
| tacone | _Hicham_: that's a mostly non-working alpha. take it as a proof of concept. | Apr 11 23:30 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes, I know. "controls" | Apr 11 23:31 |
| schestowitz | But it ought to be universal | Apr 11 23:31 |
| schestowitz | I don't know where Opera stands on this | Apr 11 23:31 |
| schestowitz | They have good market share in phones | Apr 11 23:31 |
| tacone | not for long. | Apr 11 23:32 |
| schestowitz | So they could give Adobe the high finger and put Ogg on their devices that they support | Apr 11 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Like Nokia phones... though Nokia hates Ogg | Apr 11 23:32 |
| _Hicham_ | fuck Opera | Apr 11 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Apr 11 23:33 |
| tacone | the more powerful phones get, the less important opera becomes. | Apr 11 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Bnary, I know. | Apr 11 23:33 |
| schestowitz | But they'll give up | Apr 11 23:33 |
| schestowitz | They use Linux in house... | Apr 11 23:33 |
| _Hicham_ | never | Apr 11 23:33 |
| _Hicham_ | Opera will remain binary forever | Apr 11 23:33 |
| tacone | they were even ad-ware in the past. | Apr 11 23:34 |
| _Hicham_ | fuck them till death | Apr 11 23:34 |
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| _Hicham_ | I don't like proprietary software | Apr 11 23:34 |
| tacone | google released GoogleUpdate as open source. | Apr 11 23:35 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone : really? | Apr 11 23:35 |
| tacone | people were concerned about having that daemon running | Apr 11 23:35 |
| tacone | yeah | Apr 11 23:35 |
| tacone | really | Apr 11 23:35 |
| tacone | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/20... | Apr 11 23:35 |
| _Hicham_ | I like to compile google by myself | Apr 11 23:36 |
| _Hicham_ | to be sure | Apr 11 23:36 |
| tacone | pft. i compiled yahoo some year ago | Apr 11 23:36 |
| tacone | on a 486. | Apr 11 23:36 |
| _Hicham_ | yahoo? | Apr 11 23:36 |
| tacone | _Hicham_: ... that was a joke. | Apr 11 23:37 |
| tacone | surprisingly, google update is not made in c# | Apr 11 23:38 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone : did u test chromium on ubuntu? | Apr 11 23:38 |
| tacone | yes. | Apr 11 23:38 |
| ekiga sets up easily but there might be router problems | Apr 11 23:38 | |
| tacone | i have it installed and it updates every 2 days | Apr 11 23:39 |
| I can't tell because I don't have anyone to play with | Apr 11 23:39 | |
| _Hicham_ | tacone : does it work well? | Apr 11 23:39 |
| tacone | _Hicham_: is mostly non implemented. i mean... you have to use hotkeys to close tabs. and preference windows is yet to implement. | Apr 11 23:39 |
| tacone | but basic surfing works. | Apr 11 23:40 |
| tacone | and works very nicely. | Apr 11 23:40 |
| tacone | very fast. | Apr 11 23:40 |
| tacone | rendering is ok, and it starts up the same moment I click the launcher. | Apr 11 23:40 |
| _Hicham_ | wow | Apr 11 23:41 |
| tacone | it's slower to close than to start. | Apr 11 23:41 |
| _Hicham_ | does it have a GTK interface? | Apr 11 23:41 |
| tacone | well not sure. maybe it starts before i click :-) | Apr 11 23:41 |
| tacone | yes, they went for gtk. | Apr 11 23:41 |
| tacone | there's a mailing list thread where they discussed the issue. | Apr 11 23:41 |
| tacone | also, it's unknown if they will put tabs on top on linux. maybe they will do as a 20%time project. | Apr 11 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Can you post a video for me? | Apr 11 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | it's too large for Youtube | Apr 11 23:42 |
| tacone | btw, it doesn't look native to me. so maybe they changed they're mind. | Apr 11 23:42 |
| tacone | wow. now tabs work. updates.. :-) | Apr 11 23:43 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone : check the memory maps to see if it uses qt or wxwidgets | Apr 11 23:43 |
| tacone | _Hicham_: i woudln't know how to do such thing. i am no tech enough. | Apr 11 23:44 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: sure | Apr 11 23:44 |
| tacone | it uses gnome's icons though in the menus | Apr 11 23:44 |
| tacone | so i guess they use gtk, but much of the interface is custom (it doesn't use theme colors) | Apr 11 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I called Logitech support to complain about the cam not working in Windows 7 | Apr 11 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | it's kind of funny | Apr 11 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | and their software destroying Windows | Apr 11 23:46 |
| tacone | _Hicham_: that's an old screenshot (now it's a little better) http://www.stefanoforenza.com/blog/wp... | Apr 11 23:46 |
| tacone | as you see, the tabs and the toolbar are totally custom. | Apr 11 23:46 |
| MinceR | i'd prefer it to use system colors. | Apr 11 23:47 |
| tacone | _Hicham_: which distro are you on ? | Apr 11 23:47 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone : I am on Debian Lenny | Apr 11 23:48 |
| tacone | _Hicham_: so there's the big chance the ppa will work. | Apr 11 23:48 |
| _Hicham_ | I will try | Apr 11 23:48 |
| tacone | ok | Apr 11 23:48 |
| tacone | if we don't see you anymore for 4 days, we know why. | Apr 11 23:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: did you record it? | Apr 11 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Apr 11 23:50 |
| schestowitz | audio? | Apr 11 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Apr 11 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | mail it over to roy at schestowitz com | Apr 11 23:51 |
| schestowitz | That is, if it's what you needed on YouTube | Apr 11 23:51 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm downconverting it | Apr 11 23:52 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone : why? | Apr 11 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | apparently Youtube has a 100 meg limit | Apr 11 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | but they jsut say keep it under 10 minutes | Apr 11 23:52 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone : does it break the system? | Apr 11 23:53 |
| tacone | _Hicham_: that was the joke. i don't think anything will happen | Apr 11 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | the Logitech dude admitting it corrupts Windows 7 | Apr 11 23:53 |
| tacone | you can check the ppa contents though, if you're unsure. | Apr 11 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | and telling me to REINSTALL Window | Apr 11 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | *Windows | Apr 11 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Apr 11 23:53 |
| schestowitz | WTF? | Apr 11 23:55 |
| schestowitz | How can a driver do this? | Apr 11 23:55 |
| tacone | they call it flexibility :) | Apr 11 23:56 |
| _Hicham_ | Windows 7 is great DaemonFC, it will wipe Windows users away for ever | Apr 11 23:56 |
| _Hicham_ | I like how Microsoft is doing a "rm -rf" | Apr 11 23:56 |
| tacone | ask microsoft service: "hey, i'm joe from new jersey. can you make a version of windows that wipe himself from any computer" | Apr 11 23:57 |
| tacone | ms assistance (steve): sure. wait a moment. | Apr 11 23:57 |
| schestowitz | WHose fault would it be? | Apr 11 23:58 |
| schestowitz | How can a driver screw kernel space? | Apr 11 23:58 |
| tacone | maybe they just replace files. | Apr 11 23:58 |
| schestowitz | And can Logitech gain permissions/privilege to do this? | Apr 11 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's signed | Apr 11 23:59 |
| trmanco | what happened? | Apr 11 23:59 |
| tacone | schestowitz: can adobe get permissions to bypass windows firewall? :) | Apr 11 23:59 |
| schestowitz | What for? 'Security'? | Apr 11 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | no, the 64-bit Windows kernel can't load unsigned drivers | Apr 11 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | so you HAVE to get them signed by MS | Apr 11 23:59 |
| tacone | that's the old good partner logic | Apr 11 23:59 |
