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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 15th, 2009

Posted in IRC Logs at 2:32 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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MinceR gn Apr 15 00:30
schestowitz Chalmers Johnson speaking freely < http://www.youtube.com/watch?… > Apr 15 01:08
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schestowitz Great article: http://www.itwire.com/content/v… Apr 15 01:37
balzac great headline Apr 15 03:00
balzac Now it would be nice if some organization with deeper pockets would bow to the principles of Free Software – with a huge cash donation. Apr 15 03:05
balzac some company which begins with a G… Apr 15 03:05
balzac and ends with an “oogle” Apr 15 03:05
balzac so the Hurd project could fund hardware compatibility development Apr 15 03:06
balzac just basic hardware compatibility so the project comes back out of hibernation Apr 15 03:06
balzac nothing fancy… Apr 15 03:06
balzac The fact is, hardware compatibility is a moving target Apr 15 03:11
balzac if the hardware manufacturers don’t choose to cooperate, it’s a losing battle to try to interoperate with them Apr 15 03:12
balzac one of the very annoying canard is the idea that the hurd project lost developers’ interest for lack of technical merit Apr 15 03:13
balzac it was lack of corporate support, which the Linux kernel received Apr 15 03:13
balzac and the hurd kernel did not receive, because the design was so advanced and the project initiator so consumed with freedom and innovation Apr 15 03:14
balzac it’s a shame and it needs to be corrected – with money to fund compatibility work Apr 15 03:14
balzac and deals with low-end cpu makers Apr 15 03:15
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twitter Anyone awake tonight, comrades? Apr 15 03:31
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oiaohm Yep Apr 15 03:48
twitter there’s always one! Apr 15 03:49
twitter Anything new? Apr 15 03:49
oiaohm Other than ksm is on time table to go into 2.6.31 linux kernel. Apr 15 03:50
oiaohm Not much. Apr 15 03:50
oiaohm ksm is basicaly how to reduce ram usage without really altering anything. Apr 15 03:51
balzac -_^ Apr 15 04:20
oiaohm ksm exploits the page table feature of cpus Apr 15 04:24
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tessier An Australian inventor is set to reap the lion’s share of a $US388 million ($537 million) damages award from Microsoft after a US jury found the software giant stole his technology. Apr 15 06:16
tessier Bwahaha Apr 15 06:16
tessier Four of the six largest patent verdicts have been against Microsoft, but the Uniloc damages fee only amounts to about eight days of profit for the company. Apr 15 06:16
tessier Nice respect for others’ “IP” you got there Microsoft Apr 15 06:17
oiaohm Note that is damages. Apr 15 06:18
oiaohm Not on going payments to keep on using the patented stuff. Apr 15 06:18
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tessier http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2009/… Apr 15 06:22
oiaohm The patent holder now has the right to block sales if MS does not come up with a good deal. Apr 15 06:23
oiaohm Each loss equals a higher price Windows has to be sold with to beat break even. Apr 15 06:27
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MinceR “ksm” makes me think of the kde session manager, but something tells me that’s not what you’re talking about :> Apr 15 06:45
DaemonFC Linux 2.6.30-rc2 is out Apr 15 06:48
DaemonFC only 5-6 more rc’s to go most likely Apr 15 06:48
oiaohm Not what I ws talking about MinceR Apr 15 07:01
oiaohm http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/4/4/77  << MinceR Apr 15 07:03
MinceR ic Apr 15 07:05
oiaohm Basically a form of memory compression. Apr 15 07:06
MinceR http://news.slashdot.org/artic… Apr 15 07:14
MinceR another slashvertisement >> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl… Apr 15 07:22
DaemonFC http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2009/04/13 Apr 15 07:27
DaemonFC EFF Challenges Illegal Computer Seizure and Ongoing Data Searches by Campus Police Apr 15 07:27
DaemonFC Some of the supposedly suspicious activities listed in support of the search warrant application include….[using] two different operating systems, including one that is not the “regular B.C. operating system” but instead has “a black screen with white font which he uses prompt commands on.” Apr 15 07:28
DaemonFC I’m assuming they mean he dual boots Windows and Linux and someone saw him typing into a terminal? Apr 15 07:28
DaemonFC Is that probable cause? Apr 15 07:28
DaemonFC I guess I’m a terrorist now :P Apr 15 07:28
MinceR i’m proud to be a terrorist. Apr 15 07:29
MinceR also, what if he runs cmd.exe fullscreen? is that sufficient for being considered a terrorist now? Apr 15 07:30
DaemonFC MinceR: I made a video about this jsut now Apr 15 07:34
MinceR :) Apr 15 07:36
DaemonFC MinceR: I’m using my Ted Baxter voice to read off the criminal complaint Apr 15 07:42
DaemonFC lol Apr 15 07:42
schestowitz Stupid sSLashdot! Apr 15 07:52
schestowitz They don’t even attribute the lies to Microsoft Apr 15 07:52
schestowitz Just push the headlie[sic] like Microsoft wants Apr 15 07:52
schestowitz Vista is provably insecure junks Apr 15 07:52
schestowitz MinceR: the EFF might be exaggerating? Apr 15 07:53
schestowitz Maybe there is a different cause… Apr 15 07:54
DaemonFC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvGvE… Apr 15 08:00
DaemonFC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsRS… Apr 15 08:01
schestowitz Nemesis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v… Apr 15 08:04
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DaemonFC http://religionandpolitics.ytmnd.com/ Apr 15 08:15
kentma1 mornin’ Apr 15 08:25
schestowitz Hey Apr 15 08:26
kentma1 Hilsborough day today Apr 15 08:30
kentma1 Just looking at ubuntu booting in 17.5 secs Apr 15 08:31
kentma1 I’m wondering how fast it could be with LinuxBios? Apr 15 08:32
DaemonFC heh, which is not a lot better than a hard disk Apr 15 08:32
DaemonFC and the guy measured it with an iphone :P Apr 15 08:32
kentma1 hehe :-) Apr 15 08:32
schestowitz Survey: Majority Of CEOs In Valley Expect More Job Cuts < http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-majori… > Apr 15 08:32
DaemonFC he should have compared hard disk and ssd with bootchart Apr 15 08:32
kentma1 DaemonFC: indeed he should Apr 15 08:33
DaemonFC http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki… Apr 15 08:33
schestowitz Industry Moves: Former Philanthropy Chief Brilliant Leaves Google < http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-b… > . Weird last name: “Brilliant” Apr 15 08:34
kentma1 My aa1 boots quickly.  I’d have to time it, but I’m pretty sure it’s << 1 min. Apr 15 08:34
kentma1 The RN had a Frigate or Destroyer called “Brilliant” afairc Apr 15 08:34
DaemonFC extents before:123934 after:1 DONE ino=1075216994 Apr 15 08:36
DaemonFC holy shit Apr 15 08:36
schestowitz No #ODF support in iWork. Shame on Apple Apr 15 08:40
schestowitz Yahoo Plans More Layoffs; HotJobs On The Block < http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419… >                   Apr 15 08:40
DaemonFC ironic Apr 15 08:40
schestowitz http://dnc.digitalunite.com/2009/0… “March 31st, 2009 alancocks” Apr 15 08:46
schestowitz Is someone taking the piss out of Alan Cox? Apr 15 08:46
schestowitz is there really a surname “Cocks”? Apr 15 08:46
DaemonFC possible Apr 15 08:47
schestowitz It looks as thought it might be fake. The picture always looked suspicious, but the article less so Apr 15 08:47
DaemonFC http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Fil… Apr 15 08:52
DaemonFC A “computer bought the farm” message is an error message displayed on GNU Hurd when one of the servers that provide kernel-like functions reaches a “hopeless” situation (after which it is usually terminated). This is a rough equivalent of a kernel panic in monolithic Unix-like kernels. Its corresponding error code is the Hurd-specific EIEIO. Apr 15 09:01
DaemonFC ugggggh Apr 15 09:01
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MinceR schestowitz: i don’t know Apr 15 09:20
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MinceR r4wr Apr 15 09:28
schestowitz http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009… Apr 15 09:31
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schestowitz New signs that patents are weakening: http://boycottnovell.com/20… Apr 15 09:43
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schestowitz Great Timing: USPTO Gives Amazon Patent For ‘Reliable Ratings’: http://techdirt.com/articles/20090… Where does it end? Apr 15 09:57
schestowitz Cringely does not like the word “blogging” either: http://www.cringely.com/200… Apr 15 10:04
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schestowitz Student sentenced for F-ucked up grade hack < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04… > Apr 15 10:13
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0… “Cisco Systems has dismissed predictions of a 10 per cent reduction in headcount from a JPMorgan analyst.” Apr 15 10:14
schestowitz “London police lied to Tomlinson’s family, while citing that family as an excuse to prevent press investigation into Tomlinson’s death.” http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-jan… Apr 15 10:16
schestowitz This is amazing: protest=crime. Police arrest 114 people in pre-emptive strike against environmental protesters < http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/… > Apr 15 10:18
schestowitz Thailand just murders protesters http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/… Apr 15 10:20
oiaohm MS will have to turn on software patents. Apr 15 10:20
oiaohm At this stage MS is paying out more than what they are getting from patents. Apr 15 10:20
schestowitz So how to defeat FOSS and Linux? Apr 15 10:25
oiaohm There is only one way. Apr 15 10:25
schestowitz It’s a bit like someone buying a gun to defend oneself… only to realise others buy guns too Apr 15 10:25
oiaohm Be truly better. Apr 15 10:25
oiaohm In every way. Apr 15 10:25
schestowitz oiaohm: and be worth the cost [of Windows]? Apr 15 10:25
schestowitz As MS put it, without the API, there are dead ducks Apr 15 10:25
oiaohm That is how orcale stays where they are. Apr 15 10:25
MinceR that’s like saying others won’t buy guns unless you do Apr 15 10:26
oiaohm MS really need a major case of get house in order. Apr 15 10:26
schestowitz With Oracle, I think it’s lock-in too Apr 15 10:26
oiaohm Not really. Apr 15 10:26
oiaohm postgresql can run basically any Oracle designed database. Apr 15 10:26
schestowitz EnterpriseDB is non-lossy escape route? Apr 15 10:27
oiaohm Just Oracle does it better. Apr 15 10:27
oiaohm EnterpriseDB has no problems with Oracle. Apr 15 10:27
schestowitz Posgres claimed 90% of the performance of Oracle 2 years ago Apr 15 10:27
oiaohm The last 10 percent is really hard to get. Apr 15 10:27
oiaohm And Oracle is maintaining it. Apr 15 10:28
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oiaohm Oracle has better management tools that postgres as well. Apr 15 10:28
schestowitz I can imagine.. Apr 15 10:28
oiaohm Basically be better in every way. Apr 15 10:28
schestowitz Well, for now at least, they run and to an extent defend Linux Apr 15 10:28
schestowitz As long as they don’t injure Red Hat, there’s not much to fear Apr 15 10:28
schestowitz Small DBs, esp. Web-based use sqlite or mysql Apr 15 10:29
MinceR well, you must have seen a different oracle from the one i’ve used Apr 15 10:29
MinceR because the one i know has a horrible suite of management tools Apr 15 10:29
schestowitz I only uses Oracle from the CLI Apr 15 10:29
schestowitz Many years ago Apr 15 10:29
schestowitz *used Apr 15 10:29
schestowitz So my impression of mysql is better than that of Oracle Apr 15 10:30
schestowitz At this current pace, fragile software will likely break the Internet apart: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/04/14/… Apr 15 10:33
schestowitz There’s still hope for a Mono-free GNOME: http://www.itwire.com/content/… Apr 15 10:34
ushimitsudoki1 Good article. Would really like to hear the meaning behind ” I’m known to not be a fan of Mono, but for the same reason I’m not a fan of Python or Java” Apr 15 11:02
ushimitsudoki1 Python and Java are very different languages, so it seems odd (to me) to use both of them as a sort of grouped comparison against mono Apr 15 11:02
oiaohm Oracle is one of those things you either like the tools or hate them. Apr 15 11:13
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schestowitz I have just extracted the text from a Microsoft memos that shows its strategy against Linux CDNs. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/1… Apr 15 11:39
schestowitz *memo Apr 15 11:40
oiaohm MS game plan is failing them. Apr 15 11:46
schestowitz I’ll do lots more memos like this later this year :-) Apr 15 11:46
oiaohm Tomtom attack kinda worried MS. Apr 15 11:46
oiaohm Linux vendors even small ones are not sure walk overs. Apr 15 11:47
schestowitz Wow. Asay has really gone mental: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_… Apr 15 11:50
schestowitz Yeah… like Sun would by a rival of Java and Solaris Apr 15 11:50
schestowitz CNET fools Apr 15 11:50
MinceR well, unless m$ buys sun, sun buying novell could stop some of m$’s dealings Apr 15 11:51
MinceR but it would have to be a hostile takeover Apr 15 11:51
MinceR but more likely it would encourage m$ to buy sun Apr 15 11:51
MinceR but for the purpose Asay mentions it would be (s)useless Apr 15 11:52
MinceR suse sucks, building on it makes no sense Apr 15 11:52
schestowitz ushimitsudoki1: I sent this to the author last week suggesting that he covers it. He hates Mono too. Apr 15 11:56
ushimitsudoki1 schestowitz: would love to see a return to a mono-free GNOME. mono is one of the main reasons I’m not using GNOME now. Apr 15 11:57
MinceR how much does gnome rely on mono now? Apr 15 11:59
ushimitsudoki1 MinceR: basically just 2 applications: tomboy and fspot unless something has recently changed Apr 15 11:59
MinceR ic Apr 15 12:00
oiaohm Sun not going to buy Novell. Apr 15 12:06
oiaohm What really would be the point of that. Apr 15 12:07
oiaohm Get tied up in MS licencing. Apr 15 12:07
oiaohm Sun would have to be basically nuts to want that. Apr 15 12:08
DaemonFC schestowitz: I ended up installing Mono into wine long enough to carve up an XP Pro image with nLite Apr 15 12:10
DaemonFC :P Apr 15 12:10
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schestowitz ushimitsudoki1: I heard that fspot too gets a replacement Apr 15 12:14
schestowitz fspot rewritten without the MS DNA Apr 15 12:15
ushimitsudoki1 schestowitz: I hope so. I would like to think that if one of the two apps is being “cleaned”, then someone will pick up the other. Sure would be nice to bring GNOME “back in the fold”, as it were. If you find a reference about the fspot re-write, I’d be interested in seeing it Apr 15 12:16
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schestowitz Matt Asay has lost it: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0… Apr 15 12:21
schestowitz ushimitsudoki1: someone from Debian told me Apr 15 12:21
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tacone http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009… Apr 15 12:25
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oiaohm Apparmor is techically crap. Apr 15 12:26
oiaohm It has not been updated to work. Apr 15 12:26
DaemonFC I don’t bother with anything like that Apr 15 12:28
oiaohm DaemonFC you will at least use capiblities to de power suid bit applciations. Apr 15 12:30
kentma The gnote article is interesting, and I do hope we can end the mono nonsense.  Even the name, “mono”, is suspiciously reminiscent of “one true way”. Apr 15 12:30
schestowitz Or monkey business Apr 15 12:32
schestowitz “Running out of things to talk about, Matt? What Sun needs to do is innovate on top of Linux, not let the innovation of Linux run on top of Solaris. Why should Sun buy Linux when the only money to be made on it is in services?” Apr 15 12:33
schestowitz “The author is totally wrong. Solaris (OpenSolaris) is Sun’s differentiator. It has technologies like ZFS and DTrace (and its own kernel, which is many ways is superior to Linux’s) that Linux can’t use to its GPL license being incompatible with the OpenSolaris license” Apr 15 12:33
schestowitz Apr 15 12:33
schestowitz     I think that the “Sun-setting” headlines are overstated. Look at Sun’s recent quarters; 4 profitable quarters in a row prior to the start of the recession (the recession hit Sun in their qtr ending March 2008.) The only accurate criticism of Sun has been and continues to be that they haven’t balanced their cost structure with their revenues in the post-dotcom world.” Apr 15 12:33
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kentma Sun will most likely survive;  one of the main reasons is that unlike Novell and SCO, they haven’t been basing their business models on squeezing their customers for licences to use computers generally.  They also have Java, and even Solaris, although I suspect that releasing Solaris into the wild might be a good move, for Sun to do it effectively, it would need to have built up an alternative revenue model, or it would just go bust quickly. Apr 15 12:36
schestowitz ken gets it right (he says “Free software” now): “My name is Ken Starks and I am one of the most active Free Software advocate” http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/… Apr 15 12:37
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schestowitz Carla’s video card went bust: Everything Broke Today. So, How Was Your Day? < http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/… > Apr 15 12:40
DaemonFC I only need XP for one thing, that’s Ustream Apr 15 12:43
DaemonFC the Linux version of Flash is not capable of using my microphone Apr 15 12:43
DaemonFC It’s been in Adobe’s bug tracking system forever but they aren’t fixing it Apr 15 12:44
schestowitz More stupid ideas. Five Reasons Why Microsoft Shouldn’t Buy Sun < http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/co… > Apr 15 12:46
schestowitz DaemonFC: the microphone thing came up before. It’s just you/your hardware,not Flash Apr 15 12:47
DaemonFC no, it’s a Flash issue Apr 15 12:47
schestowitz I only ever use Flash for videos that could equally well be using Ogg Apr 15 12:47
schestowitz There’s nothing inherent in Flash that I need. It just wraps some video stream Apr 15 12:47
DaemonFC General webcam and microphone functionality is not enabled. (239246) Apr 15 12:47
DaemonFC from their release notes Apr 15 12:47
DaemonFC I’m not the only one that’s ran into it Apr 15 12:48
schestowitz Who uses Flash for chats? Some few sites might Apr 15 12:48
DaemonFC Ustream uses it Apr 15 12:49
schestowitz But anyway, I did not know that Apr 15 12:49
DaemonFC so if you’re on a 64-bit Linux distro you can’t use your microphone with flash Apr 15 12:49
DaemonFC even if it’s 32-bit flash in a 32-bit browser Apr 15 12:49
DaemonFC though that will still pick up your video stream Apr 15 12:50
DaemonFC Adobe has gone the Nvidia route…..”Customers shouldn’t have to debug their own software so why should we provide source code?” followed by “Our users tell us feature X doesn’t work, this is a known issue and will be fixed by us alone whenever the hell we feel like fixing it” Apr 15 12:51
DaemonFC :P Apr 15 12:51
schestowitz Oh wait. Apr 15 12:51
schestowitz So it works on 32-bit? Apr 15 12:52
DaemonFC as far as I know Apr 15 12:52
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iwmw wasn’t adobe always like that, DaemonFC ? Apr 15 12:53
DaemonFC so I either have to dual boot Linux with Linux or I have to just use 32-bit Linux with a PAE kernel, or I can leave XP on a partition since I already have a license for that and when some other problem crops up where I need Windows, I have XP Apr 15 12:53
DaemonFC :P Apr 15 12:53
iwmw ask rms Apr 15 12:54
DaemonFC well, no, Adobe wasn’t always like that Apr 15 12:54
schestowitz I’ve just heard back about the Sun thing from the author…. All in good fun re:Sun/Novell. Savio’s was more terrifying. What bizarre speculation has not been heard yet? Exxon buying Microsoft? Apr 15 12:54
iwmw when it made such decision then? Apr 15 12:54
DaemonFC They used to say “We don’t have any Linux products, we aren’t GOING to, have a nice day” Apr 15 12:54
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DaemonFC now they’re supporting Linux because Silverlight supports Linux Apr 15 12:55
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schestowitz My CPU is 64-capable but I dual-boot 32- and 64-bit Apr 15 12:55
schestowitz You should too Apr 15 12:55
schestowitz You won’t need to dual-boot with Winders Apr 15 12:55
schestowitz Just boot into a 32-bit session Apr 15 12:55
iwmw mcdonalds buying apple Apr 15 12:55
schestowitz Even a very stale one Apr 15 12:55
schestowitz Like elive Apr 15 12:56
schestowitz Can it even do Flash, being a livecd? Apr 15 12:56
DaemonFC That’s crazy, X86-64 was meant to supercede x86-32, and thanks to various bits of proprietary software that won’t support it 5 years later Apr 15 12:56
DaemonFC you have to install a full operating system over a 1 megabyte plugin Apr 15 12:56
schestowitz iwmw: no, that would be too realistic… or Disney. All revolve around delusions Apr 15 12:56
DaemonFC :P Apr 15 12:56
iwmw wow… mcd buying apple is realistic… Apr 15 12:57
schestowitz You pay the Apple Tux Apr 15 12:57
DaemonFC I think it’s funny that Microsoft is accusing anyone else of overcharging and bullying their customers Apr 15 13:00
DaemonFC At least the Mac OS isn’t pure shit Apr 15 13:00
DaemonFC :P Apr 15 13:00
iwmw how do you know Apr 15 13:00
iwmw did you ever (very horror word) “USE” it? Apr 15 13:01
DaemonFC well, because it doesn’t lock up constantly or harass you with “Apple Genuine Advantage” Apr 15 13:02
DaemonFC mostly Apr 15 13:02
DaemonFC and it can generally do things like use all the RAM you paid for and install Apr 15 13:02
schestowitz hehe2 is moving: http://hehe2.net/off-topic/big… Apr 15 13:02
DaemonFC That WGA shit is intrusive even if you haven’t “pirated” Windows Apr 15 13:02
DaemonFC always popping up and wanting to frisk the user Apr 15 13:03
schestowitz Some people are locked out Apr 15 13:03
schestowitz Innocent people Apr 15 13:03
schestowitz Friends of mine even Apr 15 13:03
schestowitz Microsoft is pissing off its innocent paying customers Apr 15 13:03
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schestowitz So many bright people fail to realise that their government lies to them re: unemployment by changing the definition of this term.. http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Washin… Apr 15 13:04
schestowitz Impi Linux is no more  < http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=4668 > Seems like BOSS — duplication of effort. Apr 15 13:07
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schestowitz Google is probably doing the best it can by disabling comments here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-… Apr 15 13:08
MinceR oiaohm: ksm only applies to readonly pages, right? Apr 15 13:09
schestowitz PJ: “PHP, the authentic PHP is not free software, and Zend is in some dealings with Microsoft lately. The Quercus-GAE license is here. An article on Java support, and some controversy about it. Finally, the Zend/Microsoft partnership, Microsoft pointing to Zend as an example of its openness (to run Open Source on Windows), and Zend’s plans regarding Microsoft’s Azure. It’s getting interesting over at Google App Engine.” Apr 15 13:10
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schestowitz Boies Schiller Partner Named as Head of FTC’s Competition Bureau < http://www.law.com/jsp/article… >. It remains to be seen if he’s as crooked as predecessors like Deborah Majoras Apr 15 13:14
DaemonFC schestowitz: The funny thing was when the licensing server for Windows went down Apr 15 13:14
DaemonFC and those articles said don’t install any updates til they fix it Apr 15 13:15
DaemonFC but Vista pings MS even if you don’t get any updates Apr 15 13:15
DaemonFC so some copies suicided just because of Vista’s scheduled checkin Apr 15 13:15
MinceR phoning home is an old m$ tradition Apr 15 13:15
MinceR they even did it in win95 Apr 15 13:15
schestowitz Fresh complaints about Microsoft’s crimes in browser bundling (1990s): http://www.ecis.eu/news/documents/ECI… Apr 15 13:16
schestowitz Win95? Apr 15 13:17
schestowitz I thought Real Player started it Apr 15 13:17
MinceR i’ve read a report of win95 trying to dial home with a modem on install if it found one; it would set the modem silent so that it would be more difficult to notice Apr 15 13:19
oiaohm That was pirated win95 Apr 15 13:26
oiaohm Virus infected. Apr 15 13:26
oiaohm I had every legal version of 95 at one point. Apr 15 13:27
MinceR ic Apr 15 13:27
oiaohm Only ones I found that did that was the illegal ones. Apr 15 13:27
oiaohm virus infected illegal stuff is nothing new. Apr 15 13:27
oiaohm phone number owned to a porn company of all things. Apr 15 13:28
oiaohm that the modem would dial. Apr 15 13:28
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DaemonFC meh, people grab things that are obviously infected Apr 15 13:37
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iwmw i especially like the line there in statement:  Other browsers that are rated superior to IE cannot compete on their merits. Apr 15 13:50
iwmw MinceR: will it be able to dial home if firewall is installed? Apr 15 13:54
iwmw 3rd party one Apr 15 13:54
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schestowitz Shill O’Shill (Shane O’Neill) is still boosting Windows at Linux’s expense Apr 15 13:57
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Omar87 Hi all. Apr 15 14:02
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schestowitz Yo Apr 15 14:06
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schestowitz http://blogs.eweek.com/applewatch/content/m… “I see Ubuntu gains as being more significant. Mac is down from 28 percent in 2008, while Ubuntu is up from 21 percent last year and 17 percent in 2007.” Apr 15 14:08
schestowitz UK lags in open source in the enterprise < http://www.heise.de/english/newsti… > Probably the same in other Bush-dominated countries… even Portugal and Hungary (because of MS cronies) Apr 15 14:11
schestowitz Weird. The European Commission finally responded to me constructively about their FOSS ‘think’ tank Apr 15 14:14
schestowitz We can probably obtain all the documents then, so it paid off. Apr 15 14:14
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schestowitz http://www.linuxdevices.com/news… (Linux-ready MIPS64 SoCs jump to 32 cores) Apr 15 14:15
trmanco http://www.stefanoforenza.com/com… Apr 15 14:15
trmanco time for me to change? can’t live without compiz Apr 15 14:15
Omar87 So, guys, is OpenSuse as bad as SLES? Apr 15 14:27
trmanco open suse is sles sister Apr 15 14:30
trmanco http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/b… Apr 15 14:31
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schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… Apr 15 14:39
schestowitz “Here’re a few hints: Apr 15 14:39
schestowitz - GNOME was originally developed by Miguel de Icaza Apr 15 14:39
schestowitz - Miguel de Icaza then turned into a Microsoft fanboi Apr 15 14:39
schestowitz - Miguel de Icaza started and spearheaded the MONO project Apr 15 14:39
schestowitz - The MONO project is sponsored in large part by Novell Apr 15 14:39
schestowitz And as a bonus: Apr 15 14:39
schestowitz - Miguel de Icaza worked (at least for a while) at Microsoft. Apr 15 14:39
schestowitz You put it together. The circle is complete.” Apr 15 14:39
schestowitz But he didn’t work for Microsoft, did he? he tried to. Apr 15 14:39
schestowitz His colleague Nat Friedman worked for Microsoft for quite some time Apr 15 14:40
trmanco he uses windows now Apr 15 14:41
trmanco so bad for him Apr 15 14:41
trmanco just because he started gnome, that doesn’t mean he is “the boss of gnome” does it? Apr 15 14:42
schestowitz trmanco: “Maybe it’s finally time we put some serious consideration into a Compiz Desktop Environment. With GNOME pretty much throwing us aside on support and with KWin replicating our features left and right, it’s hard to stay on board.” Apr 15 14:42
schestowitz That’s interesting Apr 15 14:42
schestowitz I did wonder how KWin so quickly got all the eye candy of Compiz Apr 15 14:42
schestowitz I reckons they just rip and replaces code. Apr 15 14:42
schestowitz trmanco: who uses Windows? Apr 15 14:42
schestowitz Other than de Icaza with his WIndows-only script he raved about a while ago? Apr 15 14:42
trmanco Icaza I guess Apr 15 14:43
schestowitz Any proof? Apr 15 14:43
schestowitz GNOME was created by a lot of people Apr 15 14:43
trmanco I saw a video a while back, he was using windows Apr 15 14:43
schestowitz Can you find it , please? Apr 15 14:43
trmanco I’ll try to find proof Apr 15 14:43
trmanco gotta go to WC now, brb Apr 15 14:43
trmanco I saw the video on his blog Apr 15 14:45
trmanco 90% of what he shares in his google reader thing are related to microsoft technologies Apr 15 14:46
trmanco he also shares stuff from linux haters Apr 15 14:47
schestowitz Well, he KNOWS the person Apr 15 14:49
schestowitz Whether he’s a friend of his or not, he knows the person and therefore probably feels similarly Apr 15 14:49
schestowitz Linux is not yet “linux WIndows” ->> Hate; bad Apr 15 14:49
trmanco http://tirania.org/blog/arch… Apr 15 14:52
trmanco it’s now the proof, it’s something else Apr 15 14:52
trmanco now* Apr 15 14:52
trmanco not* Apr 15 14:52
trmanco can’t find the video for now, so my claim was false… for now Apr 15 14:56
trmanco I’ll look into it in a while, I just remember that a saw a screencast on his blog, I think, he/a guy was showing some similarities between visual studio with .net and mono Apr 15 14:57
schestowitz I think he dual-boots Apr 15 15:09
schestowitz He has WIndows-only sw Apr 15 15:10
trmanco no, it wasn’t him Apr 15 15:17
trmanco it was some other guy Apr 15 15:18
trmanco I found a post, but no video Apr 15 15:18
trmanco http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4IfYnHLEd… Apr 15 15:19
trmanco http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2008/Sep-04.html Apr 15 15:19
oiaohm Making the Mono VM use LLVM as a code generation backend.   << anyone spot the problem here. Apr 15 15:20
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oiaohm Opens the door complete to code in mono and just release native code. Apr 15 15:21
oiaohm So removing need of .net installation. Apr 15 15:21
*trmanco look up LLvm Apr 15 15:22
DaemonFC I think as far as Windows goes I probably just will stay on XP until they absolutely will not support it anymore Apr 15 15:22
trmanco ah low level Apr 15 15:22
schestowitz trmanco: ah OK Apr 15 15:23
DaemonFC they’ve already bumped the EOL date to August of 2014 Apr 15 15:23
schestowitz I was gonna write: “Miguel de Icaza uses Windows, according to one of our readers (maybe dual-boot).” Apr 15 15:23
schestowitz I’ll rephrase this Apr 15 15:23
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trmanco schestowitz, but I still have the damn sensation it was his video… I just can’t find it :| Apr 15 15:23
schestowitz DaemonFC: how optimistic of them Apr 15 15:23
schestowitz Will they even exist in their current form then? Apr 15 15:23
DaemonFC schestowitz: Yeah, it was going to be cut off in 2011 Apr 15 15:23
DaemonFC but customers complained Apr 15 15:23
DaemonFC so they gave it another 3 years Apr 15 15:24
schestowitz That’s like SCO saying it’ll give patches until 2010 Apr 15 15:24
DaemonFC :P Apr 15 15:24
schestowitz Turning to a legal firm and selling all its software in 2008 Apr 15 15:24
DaemonFC well, Microsoft still technically supports Windows 2000 Apr 15 15:24
DaemonFC til August next year Apr 15 15:24
schestowitz It runs old machines Apr 15 15:24
schestowitz They don’t have cut-down OSes Apr 15 15:24
schestowitz Maybe the XO changed that Apr 15 15:24
schestowitz But there’s nothing like Puppy, DSL, Xfce Apr 15 15:25
DaemonFC meh, XP will be harder to shake Apr 15 15:25
DaemonFC they have corporate AND home users on it Apr 15 15:25
DaemonFC and those users hate Vista and 7 Apr 15 15:25
schestowitz A lot of people in developing countries can’t move to XP Apr 15 15:25
schestowitz They need new PCs Apr 15 15:25
DaemonFC and they’re putting XP on new hardware even yet Apr 15 15:25
DaemonFC with netbooks Apr 15 15:25
DaemonFC they’re gonna have to support it to some degree for a long time Apr 15 15:25
DaemonFC XP was massively popular, but I don’t see people running out to empty the shelves of Windows 7 Apr 15 15:26
DaemonFC I just don’t see it happening Apr 15 15:26
DaemonFC I think that it will probably just be old PCs that die that get anyone to “upgrade” Apr 15 15:28
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DaemonFC and they don’t even have any upgrade path from any version of XP to Windows 7 Apr 15 15:29
DaemonFC you HAVE to format Apr 15 15:29
DaemonFC which means hours of backing up all your files if you do decide to install 7 Apr 15 15:29
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schestowitz Mono and patents — revisited: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/15/… Apr 15 15:42
schestowitz DaemonFC: not correct, XP was not popular Apr 15 15:43
schestowitz It was scarcely accepted Apr 15 15:43
schestowitz You can find old articles Apr 15 15:43
schestowitz It was accepted well COMPRED to Vista Apr 15 15:43
schestowitz So it’s a relative thing Apr 15 15:43
schestowitz it’s like saying bread is well accepted in a restaurant where rice is filled with cockroaches, so BreadIsgreat(TM) Apr 15 15:44
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schestowitz Vast majority won’t go for Windows 7  < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/n… > Apr 15 15:50
schestowitz Windows botnets/zombies spewing spam harm the environment: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquire… Apr 15 15:51
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schestowitz XBox 360 is broken again: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquir… http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0… Apr 15 15:54
schestowitz British ISPs to let foreign company spy of 4 million people’s E-mails: http://www.theregister.co.uk/20… Apr 15 15:59
schestowitz Android is indeed not just for phones anymore: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/… Apr 15 16:01
trmanco can wget download raw*.php files? Apr 15 16:02
ushimitsudoki1 trmanco: php is executed server-side. Apr 15 16:04
trmanco yeah I know that, but there has to be a way to download the non-compiled php file Apr 15 16:05
ushimitsudoki1 trmanco: not unless the server allows it. it’s not compilation by the way Apr 15 16:06
ushimitsudoki1 trmanco: the “raw” .php is never sent to the client. Apr 15 16:06
trmanco :| Apr 15 16:06
ushimitsudoki1 that’s what “server-side” means Apr 15 16:06
ushimitsudoki1 :) Apr 15 16:06
trmanco I’m playing some crack site game… just asking, I’m stuck at level 7 :| Apr 15 16:07
trmanco ushimitsudoki1, wanna try :-P Apr 15 16:07
ushimitsudoki1 sure i will take a look Apr 15 16:07
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trmanco ushimitsudoki, http://www.hackerskills.co… Apr 15 16:08
trmanco :-P Apr 15 16:08
trmanco one of my friends gave me the link Apr 15 16:08
trmanco I started at 1 Apr 15 16:08
ushimitsudoki trmanco: got it Apr 15 16:15
trmanco I’m stuck, I’ll try again later Apr 15 16:15
trmanco wow Apr 15 16:15
trmanco ushimitsudoki, so what is the trick? Apr 15 16:16
ushimitsudoki trmanco: you want the answer or just a hint? Apr 15 16:16
trmanco ushimitsudoki, I hint for now will do :-P Apr 15 16:16
schestowitz Linux PCs to be distributed in India? Acer’s Festive Offers on Notebooks, PCs in Kerala < http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Acers… > Apr 15 16:16
ushimitsudoki trmanco: view the source. pay close attention to everything that is included. Apr 15 16:16
trmanco ok, I’ll look more closely Apr 15 16:17
trmanco ushimitsudoki, I can’t find anything :| except for class=login various times for no reason Apr 15 16:21
schestowitz Picture of an upcoming Linux-based set-top box: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/… ( Android army marches into living rooms ) Apr 15 16:21
ushimitsudoki trmanco: look at the bg image. Apr 15 16:21
trmanco ushimitsudoki, what image? Apr 15 16:22
ushimitsudoki <body bg=”images/included.gif”> <- look at this image Apr 15 16:23
trmanco omg :O Apr 15 16:24
trmanco that :O Apr 15 16:24
trmanco what a dork I am, ushimitsudoki thank you very much :D just learned something today :D Apr 15 16:24
ushimitsudoki \(0_0)/ Apr 15 16:25
trmanco I completely missed it Apr 15 16:25
schestowitz Why can’t ISPs hold E_mail privately where it belongs? http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2… How long before all E-mail — except self-hosted — is on some ‘cloud’/ Apr 15 16:25
schestowitz PIC: http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/ima… Apr 15 16:26
trmanco grrr, it still won’t work Apr 15 16:28
trmanco brb Apr 15 16:28
schestowitz PIN Crackers Nab Holy Grail of Bank Card Security  <  http://blog.wired.com/27bstr… > Apr 15 16:30
schestowitz This is serious: Homeland Security profiles conservatives, libertarians as “right-wing extremists” < http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2009/04/14/… > Apr 15 16:33
schestowitz http://www.boingboing.net/2009/04/14… (CW-11 news claims clip of them airing YouTube prank infringes copyright) Apr 15 16:34
trmanco ushimitsudoki, did you check to see if the credentials were correct? Apr 15 16:38
ushimitsudoki trmanco: not until you said it didn’t work. it doesn’t seem to work though. maybe there is something more to do to them? Apr 15 16:39
trmanco I have no idea :| I’m completely lost now Apr 15 16:40
MinceR where can i get _reliable_ data on os market share on netbooks sold? Apr 15 16:45
schestowitz Has anyone heard of concrete5 < http://www.cmswire.com/cms/web-cms/d… >? Apr 15 16:50
schestowitz I never came across it (and I look closely). Seems like another “Cuil=”-like “Google killer” Apr 15 16:50
schestowitz MinceR: global? Apr 15 16:51
schestowitz In Germany about 40+% was Linux some months ago Apr 15 16:51
schestowitz ASUS said 40% Apr 15 16:51
schestowitz NPD does not tell US share, either Apr 15 16:51
schestowitz That’s another big lie Apr 15 16:51
schestowitz To say that the problem is that NPD does US-only. It does not do this, either.; Apr 15 16:52
MinceR global Apr 15 16:52
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schestowitz http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-venezue… “Venezuela’s Social Development Ministry had reportedly already migrated 93% of its PCs and all of its servers to open source” Apr 15 17:48
schestowitz “Which is why SLED, SLES, and OpenSuSE don’t have a place in my company. Why not OpenSuSE? Because it indirectly benefits Novell by growing the SuSE “ecosystem” and potentially attracting ISV interest.” http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3… Why not to use SUSE/OpenSUSE/SLES/SLED Apr 15 18:05
schestowitz Exclusive: Second Life Starts To Grow Again < http://gigaom.com/2009/04/15/exclusive-int… > Apr 15 18:08
schestowitz c Apr 15 18:15
schestowitz “The Ultimate PC” is built with GNU/Linux: http://www.pcplus.co.uk/node/3023 Apr 15 18:15
balzac Hugo Chavez has good taste in software Apr 15 18:18
schestowitz Another reason for Windows 2k and XP users to upgrade to GNU/Linux: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009… (Mozilla considers dumping Firefox support for Win2k, early XP) Apr 15 18:19
schestowitz balzac: yes, he does, not just in SW Apr 15 18:19
schestowitz I guess sympathising with his view on Bush make me, too, a terrorist/”dictator” defender Apr 15 18:19
schestowitz The US has already tried to toss him with a coop. Promoting democracy or demoting democracy if people ‘vote the wrong way’ (the way that helps the US)? Apr 15 18:20
balzac indeed Apr 15 18:22
balzac Evo Morales is smart too Apr 15 18:22
balzac He chewed a coca leaf at a recent drug conference in Vienna Apr 15 18:22
schestowitz To Bush, “giving the US sovereignty” is good leadership Apr 15 18:22
schestowitz It started in 1953 in the earliest Apr 15 18:23
schestowitz They tossed the Iranian leader who was elected Apr 15 18:23
schestowitz Reason? They called his a “communist” Apr 15 18:23
schestowitz He was no more “communist” then the pope Apr 15 18:23
schestowitz It was libel Apr 15 18:23
schestowitz They got rid of him because he wanted independence Apr 15 18:23
schestowitz The British petroleum business did not like this. Apr 15 18:23
schestowitz So he needed to go Apr 15 18:23
schestowitz They (UK and US) also supported Sddam Apr 15 18:24
schestowitz They gave him weapons Apr 15 18:24
schestowitz Until he stopped taking orders that Apr 15 18:24
schestowitz That was /after/ he gassed Jurds Apr 15 18:24
schestowitz *Kurds Apr 15 18:24
schestowitz Also, they know he had /means/ of WoMD because _they held the receipt_ so to speak Apr 15 18:24
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schestowitz And a lot of the weapon that is used against US troops there did not come from Russians. It was given by the US at the time (Stinger missiles for instance) Apr 15 18:25
schestowitz Ads Have Senators Laboring Under False Assumptions < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8338 > Apr 15 18:27
schestowitz http://www.prwatch.org/node/8336 “A Wall Street Journal report on her appointment stated that she would work on “climate change and health care” and that “she may also develop business among newer defense and technology firms.”” Authorities that are run by PR… when you know things are amiss Apr 15 18:28
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schestowitz The good and the bad in Linux development out for all to see: That massive filesystem thread < http://lwn.net/Articles/326471/ > Apr 15 18:34
schestowitz Arch Linux running the latest kernel < http://www.go2linux.org/arch-lin… > Apr 15 18:42
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trmanco http://is.gd/sBpQ Apr 15 19:02
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schestowitz Is good… is nice :-) Apr 15 19:06
schestowitz Microsoft does this too BTW Apr 15 19:06
schestowitz People found that Microsoft curses IE6 in its page source in its sites. Its Web developers needed IE hacks to make things work Apr 15 19:07
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schestowitz GNOME PackageKit updates < http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsi… > Apr 15 19:08
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balzac http://digg.com/d1oiuE :: Germany Bans Cultivation of Monsanto Corn Apr 15 19:32
balzac Monsanto is the Microsoft of agribusiness Apr 15 19:32
balzac they’re far worse than Microsoft, because they cause the BSOD to happen in your DNA code, not merely your computer Apr 15 19:33
balzac But I’m sure they share many of the same “IP” lobbyists with Microsoft Apr 15 19:33
balzac and the drug companies Apr 15 19:34
balzac I had a conspiracy theory the other day about the mass die-off of exotic amphibians Apr 15 19:34
balzac These jungle toads are very special and valuable Apr 15 19:35
balzac for their DNA Apr 15 19:35
balzac suppose some biotech company made the strain of fungus which kills them, so only the labs still have living specimins of these multi-billion dollar exotic toad species Apr 15 19:36
*schestowitz looks at URL Apr 15 19:36
balzac I’m pretty paranoid about these companies, I’ll admit freely. I think almost nothing is beneath them to do. Apr 15 19:37
schestowitz I’m not up to dare re: GM Apr 15 19:37
schestowitz I know all the basics Apr 15 19:37
schestowitz But you’re well ahead of me Apr 15 19:37
balzac They’re just carrying on like the villains from a science fiction novel Apr 15 19:37
balzac nothing unexpected Apr 15 19:37
schestowitz If they want to ban dangerous things, they could ban skiing Apr 15 19:37
schestowitz If they want to ban dangerous stuff, they could ban lobbing Apr 15 19:38
schestowitz But they are too busy PromotingDemocracy() and FightingTerror() and FightingDrugs(); Apr 15 19:38
balzac I’m in favor of stem cell research, but I’m against monsanto ruining the gene pool with their sinister experiments Apr 15 19:38
balzac they’re mixing DNA from all kinds of species and then doing Microsoft-style “dumping” of their seeds to eliminate the diverse, traditional seed lines Apr 15 19:39
schestowitz balzac: check this: gNewSense 2.2 released – “This release features the return of 3D acceleration — as free software.” http://www.fsf.org/blogs/communit… Apr 15 19:43
schestowitz No hybrid.. just Free software ;-) Apr 15 19:43
balzac that’s good news Apr 15 19:44
schestowitz yes, it’s a beautiful day today too Apr 15 19:46
schestowitz Just opened a window.. Apr 15 19:46
schestowitz New site: http://trygnulinux.com/ Apr 15 19:50
balzac sweet Apr 15 19:51
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Balrog hello everyone Apr 15 20:38
schestowitz Wb Apr 15 20:41
Balrog schestowitz: anything new of importance? Apr 15 20:43
schestowitz Yes, quite a few things Apr 15 20:45
schestowitz I was just preparing a batch of daily links. It’s massive Apr 15 20:45
schestowitz The GNU system now does 3D too Apr 15 20:45
schestowitz gNewSense Apr 15 20:45
Balrog cool. what drivers? Apr 15 20:49
Balrog (for the GPU) Apr 15 20:51
schestowitz I can’t recall. Apr 15 20:56
schestowitz But it’s a milestone Apr 15 20:57
schestowitz OGL too is Free now. Same with OCL Apr 15 20:57
schestowitz They should rename it FreeGL ;-) Heh. Apr 15 20:57
Balrog wasn’t OpenGL and OpenCL always so? They are all published standards, free to use Apr 15 21:03
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schestowitz Balrog: yes, but the word Free is better than open Apr 15 21:27
schestowitz Open refers to visibility or trust, Freedom refers to social condition Apr 15 21:27
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schestowitz Excellent show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v… Apr 15 22:06
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Omar87 Hi Apr 15 22:25
schestowitz Grumpy Nader: http://www.youtube.com/watch… Apr 15 22:27
schestowitz Hollywood lackeys attack Nader: http://www.youtube.com/watch… Apr 15 22:31
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tacone schestowitz: there ? Apr 15 23:03
schestowitz Aye. What’s up? Apr 15 23:03
tacone just fyi MonoNo made it to linux outlaws podcast Apr 15 23:04
tacone guess they read BN Apr 15 23:05
tacone and Gnote news also. Apr 15 23:06
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