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04.20.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 19th, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 1:59 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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tacone online choice exist Apr 19 17:28
tacone it’s only about formats Apr 19 17:28
schestowitz http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/cont… (Spanish Man Behind P2P Site Jailed) Apr 19 17:30
schestowitz Censorship attempts fail: Judge refuses to bar anonymous online comments about murder trial  < http://www.interesting-people.org/archive… > Apr 19 17:30
schestowitz Sun Said to Be Willing to Talk If IBM Eases on Terms  < http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news… > Apr 19 17:31
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schestowitz “I won’t bother recommending you dump Microsoft software and migrate to Linux or OS/2, because you’ve never listened to me before, and you’ve already convinced yourself that you can’t. I won’t bother recommending that you keep your antivirus software up-to-date, either, because with today’s fast moving worms like Klez.H, you already have it before a fix is available.” Apr 19 17:41
schestowitz “I do recommend prayer. Don’t bother praying that the worms won’t come, because they will anyway – get down on your knees and pray that your competitors stay with Windows so their costs will be as high as yours.” http://www.aaxnet.com/editor… Apr 19 17:41
trmanco pulseaudio just improved my system sound Apr 19 17:41
trmanco :D Apr 19 17:41
Balrog_ schestowitz: :P Apr 19 17:41
schestowitz “[PJ: What I hope they think about is this: if they push P2P into the hands of criminals only, then what happens? There is a market for P2P and by refusing to satisfy that market, they are driving it underground, where no accommodation will be possible for them. Unless, of course, that's the actual goal.]“ Apr 19 17:42
trmanco I kinda disabled it when I had 8.04, I just re-enabled it Apr 19 17:42
schestowitz trmanco: why mess about w/ it? Apr 19 17:42
trmanco uh Apr 19 17:43
trmanco ? Apr 19 17:43
trmanco I didn’t get it… Apr 19 17:43
schestowitz If it’s not broken, don’t break it. Apr 19 17:51
trmanco I didn’t break anything Apr 19 17:52
MinceR it seems to interfere with apps that want to use /dev/dsp Apr 19 17:52
MinceR unreal engine games, for example Apr 19 17:52
trmanco pulseaudio is great Apr 19 17:52
trmanco schestowitz, you’re using too, right? Apr 19 17:56
trmanco it* Apr 19 17:56
MinceR i find it pointless for local audio Apr 19 18:00
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trmanco Sarien: Multiplayer Game Engine goes Open Source: http://ajaxian.com/archives/sarie… Apr 19 18:25
schestowitz trmanco: yes, I use it too Apr 19 18:25
trmanco schestowitz, btw, what version of PA are you using? Apr 19 18:26
trmanco $pulseaudio –version Apr 19 18:26
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schestowitz LOL http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sn… “In corporate affairs, when things *really* suck e.g. your stuff poisons babies, you take a harmless girl as a communicator. See also the pictures which set her in scene.” Apr 19 18:49
schestowitz Foxconn did this last year. JESSICA MINTZ  – yuck, I hate AP and her… but what Microsoft is up to is pathetic… Vista and Vista7 are fiascos and next week’s results will be fugly Apr 19 18:49
schestowitz └─(18:49 $)─> pulseaudio –version Apr 19 18:50
schestowitz pulseaudio 0.9.9 Apr 19 18:50
_boo_ funny is that vista won’t even be popular by the time they release vista7 Apr 19 18:50
_boo_ so people gonna understand that they are just dumped Apr 19 18:50
trmanco thats old Apr 19 18:51
_boo_ if they didn’t yet managed to realise that Apr 19 18:51
tacone _boo_: i guess they missed the peak again. http://xkcd.com/323/ Apr 19 18:51
trmanco pulseaudio 0.9.14 Apr 19 18:52
_boo_ lol Apr 19 18:52
schestowitz what would be the benefit of upgrading? Apr 19 19:01
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amarsh04 I was really hysterical the first time I saw http://xkcd.com/327/ Apr 19 19:07
trmanco you would benefit a lot, check the changelogs Apr 19 19:11
trmanco like this one “the best new feature, although not directly visible from the outside and often enough not enabled due to artificial limitations on the hardware buffer size of ALSA is time-scheduled playback (aka ‘glitch-free’). See http://0pointer.de/blog/pro… Apr 19 19:11
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tacone amarsh04: me too :) Apr 19 19:16
schestowitz trmanco: not appealing to me Apr 19 19:17
schestowitz If my audio was not reliable or laggy, it would Apr 19 19:17
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trmanco well, if it’s not broke, don’t fix it :-P Apr 19 19:18
schestowitz Maybe on a less powerful computer (like the one I have at work) it would have substantial and beneficial difference. Apr 19 19:18
tacone schestowitz: do you plan to open up a forum as requested in the comments of the 6001th post ? Apr 19 19:18
schestowitz trmanco: some people reported issues with PA, maybe due to implementation on their distro/h/w. I can think of Rami as one example. Apr 19 19:18
trmanco yeah, I remember that conversation Apr 19 19:19
schestowitz trmanco: don’t get me started on Vista’s audio stack. I read about it, but never used it. Apr 19 19:19
schestowitz tacone: I can. Will you be therE? Apr 19 19:19
tacone i don’t think so. Apr 19 19:19
schestowitz :-) Apr 19 19:19
tacone it’s just curiousity. Apr 19 19:19
tacone i’m really not a forum type of guy. Apr 19 19:19
schestowitz One option would be to have people comment only in forums Apr 19 19:19
schestowitz Then redirect them there. Apr 19 19:19
tacone na Apr 19 19:19
tacone why ? Apr 19 19:20
trmanco maling list Apr 19 19:20
trmanco we can have both Apr 19 19:20
schestowitz There’s already comments and IRC right there on page as Web based. Apr 19 19:20
tacone right. Apr 19 19:20
schestowitz mailing list sounds slow Apr 19 19:20
schestowitz IRC is a lot more interactive Apr 19 19:20
tacone mailing lists are not nicely browsable. Apr 19 19:20
schestowitz And we don’t formalise stuff like code, for which ML can be valuable. Apr 19 19:20
schestowitz tacone: depends on the archiveer Apr 19 19:21
tacone right. Apr 19 19:21
schestowitz Most are very unleasant. Indexes and isolated msgs Apr 19 19:21
trmanco letters and sentences can be the code :-P Apr 19 19:21
schestowitz Threaded msgs are hard to go through wholly Apr 19 19:21
schestowitz trmanco: think along the lines of announcements Apr 19 19:21
schestowitz Or changelogs Apr 19 19:21
schestowitz These would not work in IRC Apr 19 19:22
schestowitz IRC started as a suggestion from someone in the comments Apr 19 19:22
schestowitz Here we are almost 1 year later Apr 19 19:22
schestowitz In fact, many suggestions came from commetns Apr 19 19:22
trmanco IRC is a great tool Apr 19 19:22
tacone also, i think Apr 19 19:22
schestowitz Someone mailed me like 5 times yesterday with design suggestions, so I tweaked a bit Apr 19 19:22
tacone that, while a redesign is unnecessary compared with the burden it is. Apr 19 19:23
schestowitz I think of IRC as ‘the old media’ because it predates IM which took me away from it Apr 19 19:23
schestowitz tacone: exactly Apr 19 19:23
schestowitz I don’t know if we shall move the mass to the Wiki Apr 19 19:23
tacone you really should only display summaries in the homepage. Apr 19 19:23
schestowitz Not negecting the blog Apr 19 19:23
schestowitz Here is the vision to bear in mind Apr 19 19:23
schestowitz Just like SourceWatch, we could make the front page welcoming to first-time visitors Apr 19 19:24
schestowitz The blog then becomes just a section Apr 19 19:24
schestowitz And the Wiki is partly an index to the blog items, court exhibits, etc. Apr 19 19:24
tacone the wiki is dangerous. Apr 19 19:24
schestowitz Let me see if I can sort it out now Apr 19 19:24
tacone requires moderation Apr 19 19:24
schestowitz tacone: why is it dangerous? Apr 19 19:24
schestowitz It needs registration Apr 19 19:25
schestowitz And I can track changes well Apr 19 19:25
tacone not just vandalism Apr 19 19:25
schestowitz Anyway, Wiki is not really public yet Apr 19 19:25
tacone concepts have to have sources. Apr 19 19:25
tacone otherwise you’re more liable. Apr 19 19:25
schestowitz Yes, biblio’ Apr 19 19:25
tacone you know that, but many people don’t. Apr 19 19:25
schestowitz tacone: that’s why I don’t put the Wiki out there Apr 19 19:25
schestowitz It’s too semi-cooked Apr 19 19:25
schestowitz It makes the site look bad Apr 19 19:25
*tacone likes sourcewatch Apr 19 19:25
schestowitz SourceWatch gets 2m visits/month Apr 19 19:26
schestowitz Maybe I should radically change BN front page Apr 19 19:26
schestowitz To move blog aside. Apr 19 19:26
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tacone well, if the home gets redesigned Apr 19 19:27
schestowitz Then link to indexes and stuff and present information to newcomers…? Apr 19 19:27
tacone yes, maybe Apr 19 19:27
tacone well. the links are already there Apr 19 19:27
schestowitz Yes, but I have something else in mind Apr 19 19:27
tacone maybe they could have a little more impact. Apr 19 19:27
schestowitz Here’s the issue Apr 19 19:27
schestowitz brb phone Apr 19 19:28
tacone sourcewatch home page is pretty cool. Apr 19 19:28
tacone ok Apr 19 19:28
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trmanco it’s a wiki style frontpage Apr 19 19:42
schestowitz I’ll ask readers Apr 19 19:48
schestowitz FWIW Apr 19 19:48
tacone there’s no such thing as a wiki style frontpage Apr 19 19:50
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/19/… Apr 19 19:53
schestowitz See if you can spot problems with the question, please :-) Apr 19 19:53
_boo_ tacone, isn’t it patented yet? Apr 19 19:53
schestowitz I could use this as a chance to also resolve poor use of screen space Apr 19 19:53
schestowitz _boo_: JPEG on a page is :-p Apr 19 19:53
tacone _boo_: no. but I patented the ‘is patented or not’ type of question. so you’d better not ask next time. Apr 19 19:53
_boo_ what a flaw by m$… they should’ve patented wiki style Apr 19 19:54
schestowitz Yikes. Apr 19 19:54
schestowitz I have lots of MSFT patent news to post, maybe tomorrow Apr 19 19:54
tacone _boo_: that would require them to learn how to do a proper website. Apr 19 19:54
_boo_ yeah… too much for m$ Apr 19 19:54
tacone schestowitz: i didn’t found anything about the mail from Linus, even in the irc logs. Apr 19 19:55
_boo_ they should also find a way to screw it to be only viewable by ie Apr 19 19:55
tacone hope you find the time to post something Apr 19 19:55
_boo_ schestowitz, did you post somewhere about mail conversation with Linus? Apr 19 19:55
schestowitz tacone: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/1… Apr 19 19:56
schestowitz tacone: I can’t just post the stuff without permission Apr 19 19:56
tacone ok Apr 19 19:56
schestowitz So I mentioned some bits in IRC, which is informal Apr 19 19:56
schestowitz Anyway, Linus seems to know very well what we’re up to Apr 19 19:57
schestowitz He has colleagues in Novell though and they fund him Apr 19 19:57
tacone does bsd prevent exclusion ? Apr 19 19:57
tacone so it’s what i thought. it’s just Tivoization that prevent GPL 3 adoption. Apr 19 19:59
tacone italian taxpayers funded tv, sigh. http://www.rai.tv/dl/RaiTV/progra… Apr 19 20:01
schestowitz Pay to be told what to think :-) Apr 19 20:04
tacone motherfuckers Apr 19 20:04
schestowitz Like in the US they fund advertising, aka PR, aja propaganda Apr 19 20:04
tacone moonlight. they can stick it to where the sun doesn’t shine. Apr 19 20:05
tacone it’s kind of ironic to be preaching people to use flash, given it’s yet another jail. Apr 19 20:06
schestowitz tacone: I’m looking at the PHP files in WordPress Apr 19 20:10
schestowitz It would be a total nightmare to massage index.php to have more than one template Apr 19 20:10
schestowitz Suffice to say, to split this into section is a lot of complexity Apr 19 20:10
schestowitz So if I were to change FP, I’d move to MediaWiki Apr 19 20:11
schestowitz And then offer doors to other stuff, of course. Apr 19 20:11
Balrog_ schestowitz: I like the FP like it is. Only a little cleaner would be good Apr 19 20:14
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tacone schestowitz: and how would you export the data ? Apr 19 20:20
tacone *that* would be a complete nightmare Apr 19 20:21
tacone schestowitz: which version of wordpress are you using ? Apr 19 20:21
tacone oh, offering doors. Apr 19 20:23
tacone mh. Apr 19 20:23
tacone i don’t think that’s a good idea. Apr 19 20:24
tacone if you have subdomains superpowers you could just set up a test site where you can try out new themes. Apr 19 20:27
schestowitz tacone: no export Apr 19 20:32
schestowitz The only page can stay Apr 19 20:32
schestowitz But.. Apr 19 20:32
schestowitz To be used as front page we can havs something else Apr 19 20:32
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/i… Apr 19 20:42
schestowitz here are all the pages: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index… Apr 19 21:00
trmanco http://blogs.computerworld.com/how_… Apr 19 21:05
schestowitz Wow Apr 19 21:08
Balrog_ anyone here knows how to dump audio/video streams? Apr 19 21:08
schestowitz WordPress has a nice feature I never noticed Apr 19 21:08
schestowitz If you put the wrong URL Apr 19 21:08
schestowitz Like if it’s shortened, then it searches for best match and take you there Apr 19 21:08
schestowitz Balrog: try mplayer/mencoder Apr 19 21:08
Balrog_ yes, but this is an odd one Apr 19 21:09
Balrog_ http://www.wpitam.com/ Apr 19 21:09
Balrog_ uses some kind of obfuscated ASF stream (M$ WMP) Apr 19 21:09
schestowitz WordPress question: is there a URL other than root that would take me to main index? Apr 19 21:10
tacone schestowitz: you should put togheter a draft of the home page you want to achieve before starting to work to do that. Apr 19 21:14
tacone schestowitz:  /index.php Apr 19 21:14
schestowitz tacone: I have an idea already Apr 19 21:14
schestowitz tacone: yes, I know Apr 19 21:14
Balrog_ no one knows? Apr 19 21:15
tacone (10:21:44 PM) schestowitz: WordPress question: is there a URL other than root that would take me to main index? Apr 19 21:15
schestowitz tacone: but wordpress rewqrites it Apr 19 21:15
tacone what are you trying to achieve ? Apr 19 21:15
schestowitz If it rewrites it, then I can’t redirect from root Apr 19 21:15
schestowitz tacone: I’m thinking about presenting a front page in the form of a Wiki Apr 19 21:15
schestowitz The Wiki then leads to certain indexes and the blog section Apr 19 21:16
tacone schestowitz: ok, but is there any other use for wikimedia other than the frontpage ? Apr 19 21:16
schestowitz tacone: yes Apr 19 21:16
schestowitz Definitely Apr 19 21:16
tacone like ? Apr 19 21:16
schestowitz And a group of 3 women will help us create indexes Apr 19 21:16
schestowitz tacone: indexes to articles Apr 19 21:16
tacone why create indexes ? Apr 19 21:16
schestowitz Heirarchical Apr 19 21:17
schestowitz Hierarchical Apr 19 21:17
tacone aren’t those supposed to be pulled dynamically ? Apr 19 21:17
schestowitz tacone: it would be easy then to use the sites as resouce Apr 19 21:17
schestowitz Less as a daily news thing Apr 19 21:17
schestowitz tacone: yes, we sort of have these Apr 19 21:17
schestowitz But.. Apr 19 21:17
schestowitz I want to have introductions to topic Apr 19 21:17
schestowitz *topics Apr 19 21:17
tacone wouldn’t that be achieved just with the wordpress categories or tags ? Apr 19 21:17
tacone that’s already possible. Apr 19 21:18
schestowitz tacone: It could, but not flexible enough Apr 19 21:18
tacone oh, ok. Apr 19 21:18
schestowitz because you also want to cross-link different sections Apr 19 21:18
schestowitz Blog will stay as is Apr 19 21:18
tacone ok Apr 19 21:18
schestowitz Just “/” should  take newcomers to something useful Apr 19 21:18
schestowitz Assuming they come to learn about Novell Apr 19 21:18
schestowitz Not be presented with MS rants Apr 19 21:19
schestowitz There’s room for that too Apr 19 21:19
schestowitz I’m just trying to see if I can get the same contents FP presents now, but using a different URLd Apr 19 21:19
tacone let’s see what you put together. Apr 19 21:19
schestowitz I tried “//”. Doesn’t work Apr 19 21:19
schestowitz WordPress rewrites and merges pages Apr 19 21:20
tacone ? Apr 19 21:20
tacone i mean “?” Apr 19 21:20
tacone are you doing htaccess tricks ? Apr 19 21:20
schestowitz I’ll ask in #WordPress …? Apr 19 21:22
schestowitz tacone: yes, .htaccess Apr 19 21:22
schestowitz But I can’t link recursively Apr 19 21:22
schestowitz Like, if I link from Wiki to main page of “boycottnovell.com”, then it links back to the Wiki Apr 19 21:23
schestowitz I need to list to something that will display all posts Apr 19 21:23
schestowitz “The site doe need some changes.  The homepage should be an introduction to the issues to the people ignorant of what our issues are (99.95% of the human race, at least).  The people who are truly interested will find the discussion where ever it is hidden, though we shouldn’t hide it.” Apr 19 21:25
tacone you can use some mediawiki plugin to list all post from rss i guess. Apr 19 21:26
schestowitz tacone: I think so Apr 19 21:27
schestowitz What I’ll need is at least a pointer to the blog Apr 19 21:27
schestowitz But regular blog reader will find it anyway Apr 19 21:27
schestowitz CMD (SourceWatch) seems to work similarly) Apr 19 21:28
schestowitz Many pointers now go to the blog Apr 19 21:28
tacone you can use something like ?blog Apr 19 21:28
schestowitz They used to have many encyclopedia entries Apr 19 21:28
tacone http://www.boycottnovell/?blog Apr 19 21:28
schestowitz Let me try Apr 19 21:28
tacone and discriminate the ?blog in the .htaccess trick. Apr 19 21:28
schestowitz COOL! Apr 19 21:28
tacone ? Apr 19 21:28
schestowitz But let me chck quickly Apr 19 21:28
schestowitz Does this search the site? Apr 19 21:29
tacone ? Apr 19 21:29
schestowitz Because that would be CPU intensive Apr 19 21:29
tacone ?blog is just a word Apr 19 21:29
tacone could be ?shit Apr 19 21:29
schestowitz I mean, when this query is called via this URL, what happens? Apr 19 21:29
tacone nothing Apr 19 21:29
tacone but you can catch the ?blog presence Apr 19 21:29
schestowitz Oh wai Apr 19 21:29
tacone and know if you have to redirect to the blog or the wiki Apr 19 21:29
schestowitz Stilly me Apr 19 21:29
schestowitz Of course Apr 19 21:29
schestowitz ? is interpreted by SEs differently Apr 19 21:29
schestowitz Like an arg Apr 19 21:29
schestowitz But WordPress rewrites “?” Apr 19 21:30
tacone try yourself. Apr 19 21:30
schestowitz Cool. Apr 19 21:30
tacone http://boycottnovell.com/?blog Apr 19 21:30
schestowitz http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lis… Apr 19 21:31
schestowitz Oldie but goodie… http://magpierss.sourceforge.net/ Apr 19 21:32
schestowitz http://www.researchintelligentdesig… Apr 19 21:33
tacone In a way, I feel simple wp hacking would have been cleaner and maybe even simpleer. Apr 19 21:34
tacone but i’m curious to see what are you coming out with. Apr 19 21:34
tacone http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/… Apr 19 21:35
schestowitz http://meta.wikimedia.org/wi… Apr 19 21:35
tacone also i guess you’ll have to change the blog theme sooner or later. Apr 19 21:36
tacone another thing: you should never fear the change of theme to disappoint existing users. bn is great because of the content (and lot of it !), the theme is not conditioning users readership. Apr 19 21:37
schestowitz Cool, it works. http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/i… Apr 19 21:41
schestowitz tacone: thanks. Apr 19 21:41
tacone for what ? :) Apr 19 21:42
tacone i’m a webdeveloper Apr 19 21:42
schestowitz Good. Apr 19 21:42
tacone if you have any issue feel free to ask me. Apr 19 21:42
schestowitz Cache works too Apr 19 21:42
schestowitz I can see it being accomodated Apr 19 21:42
schestowitz tacone: thanks a million! Apr 19 21:42
tacone that’s not the homepage you want, though. Apr 19 21:43
tacone oh, mattcuts commented on my blog. now that he knows my existance i will use him to force google to release its search as opensource and only make money with technical support (joking) Apr 19 21:45
trmanco lol Apr 19 21:46
tacone schestowitz: do you have a test site ? Apr 19 21:47
tacone schestowitz: which kind of control do you have on your server Apr 19 21:47
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schestowitz tacone: I have “For each article in a feed, show  Full text” Apr 19 22:02
schestowitz But it doesn’t seem to deliver it, does it? Apr 19 22:02
tacone so ? Apr 19 22:02
tacone i told you, depends on which rss you subscribe Apr 19 22:02
tacone the rss2 works iirc Apr 19 22:02
tacone schestowitz: which wp version are you on ? Apr 19 22:03
schestowitz tacone: 2.7 Apr 19 22:03
tacone i think it’s weird for default feed to truncated Apr 19 22:03
tacone but I assure you, i read the full feed now. Apr 19 22:03
tacone http://www.boycottnovell.com/feed Apr 19 22:04
tacone i think the default is wrong because of the theme, maybe. Apr 19 22:04
trmanco schestowitz, it does Apr 19 22:04
trmanco it does show full text in feeds Apr 19 22:04
tacone schestowitz: now answer me, which kind of control do you have on domain ? Apr 19 22:04
tacone trmanco: if you subscribe from firefox, usually you get the truncated feed. Apr 19 22:05
tacone i discovered the full feeds while trying liferea. Apr 19 22:05
trmanco tacone, yeah, that a firefox limitation, firefox isn’t a feed reader Apr 19 22:05
tacone trmanco: no, you didn’t understand. Apr 19 22:05
tacone of s/firefox/googlereader Apr 19 22:05
tacone i don’t know why, but have been stuck with a partial feed for many months. Apr 19 22:06
trmanco I’m using google reader and it show full feed Apr 19 22:06
trmanco shows* Apr 19 22:06
trmanco at least 2 hours ago it did Apr 19 22:06
tacone uhm, the atom feed is full either. Apr 19 22:06
trmanco I’ll check again Apr 19 22:07
tacone check http://boycottnovell.com/rss Apr 19 22:07
tacone that’s the bad one Apr 19 22:07
tacone check http://boycottnovell.com/feed and http://www.boycottnovell.com/… are fine. Apr 19 22:07
trmanco yeah /feed Apr 19 22:08
schestowitz tacone: WordPress is clipping full text: http://boycottnovell.com/categor… Apr 19 22:08
tacone schestowitz: just strip http://boycottnovell.com/rss from header.php Apr 19 22:08
schestowitz See source Apr 19 22:08
tacone schestowitz:  try http://boycottnovell.com/categor… Apr 19 22:09
trmanco Posts per week:58.6 Apr 19 22:09
tacone trmanco: lol. writeative. Apr 19 22:09
trmanco hehe Apr 19 22:09
schestowitz tacone: on the domain I have little control Apr 19 22:09
schestowitz Just cpanel Apr 19 22:09
tacone schestowitz: can you create subdomains with dedicate ftp access ? Apr 19 22:09
trmanco http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1856 Apr 19 22:10
tacone subdomains with a separated web space. Apr 19 22:10
schestowitz Oh, I seee… Apr 19 22:11
schestowitz Firefox shortens these Apr 19 22:11
tacone yes, firefox shorten these. but you have 1 on 3 feed truncated by the way Apr 19 22:12
tacone if you subscribe the wrong one, you get the truncated one. Apr 19 22:12
trmanco if you don’t wan’t/have time to do everything yourself you can always set let the community help you out Apr 19 22:12
trmanco hmm, extra word Apr 19 22:13
schestowitz Remove <link rel=”alternate” type=”text/xml” title=”RSS .92″ href=”<?php bloginfo(‘rss_url’); ?>” /> ? Apr 19 22:13
schestowitz Is this the one? Apr 19 22:13
schestowitz The second? Apr 19 22:14
tacone i guess yes. Apr 19 22:14
tacone i guess it is. Apr 19 22:14
schestowitz I leave just RSS 2.0 and Atom 0.3 Apr 19 22:14
tacone y Apr 19 22:14
schestowitz Which feed to recommend? Apr 19 22:15
schestowitz URL? Apr 19 22:15
schestowitz For full text Apr 19 22:15
tacone /feed should be the right choice Apr 19 22:15
trmanco yes Apr 19 22:16
schestowitz OK Apr 19 22:19
schestowitz All points in the right place now Apr 19 22:19
schestowitz I had hanging references to parital feed (by accident) Apr 19 22:19
schestowitz Now I want to try to add daily news to Wiki, just one latest item Apr 19 22:19
tacone I’m going out now. Apr 19 22:20
tacone I’ll be back in maybe 1.5 hour. if I don’t see you here afterwards, I’ll be away for 1-2 weeks Apr 19 22:20
tacone see you after :-) Apr 19 22:20
trmanco cya Apr 19 22:20
tacone paris awaits me, If I manage to get on the train ;-) Apr 19 22:21
trmanco have a nice trip Apr 19 22:21
tacone thx. bye ! Apr 19 22:21
MinceR gn Apr 19 22:24
schestowitz Have a good trip Apr 19 22:27
_boo_ http://xkcd.com/329/ Apr 19 22:30
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_boo_ http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut… Apr 19 22:52
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_boo_ funny quotes Apr 19 22:52
popey hi ikonia Apr 19 22:52
schestowitz Any thoughts on this early attempt?  http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/in… Apr 19 22:52
schestowitz Hi, popey Apr 19 22:53
*tacone looking Apr 19 22:54
tacone schestowitz: couldn’t you make it like sourcewatch ? Apr 19 22:55
schestowitz Style-wise? Apr 19 22:55
tacone uhm, they use html Apr 19 22:55
schestowitz It’s still early :-) Apr 19 22:55
tacone box-wise Apr 19 22:55
tacone btw Apr 19 22:55
tacone http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php… Apr 19 22:55
schestowitz I’m not following.. Apr 19 22:55
schestowitz Oh, I know Apr 19 22:56
schestowitz I viewed it Apr 19 22:56
schestowitz I created an account there earlier Apr 19 22:56
tacone i’d say you can keep they’re layout Apr 19 22:57
tacone the news to the left Apr 19 22:57
tacone to the right an editor pick (if exists) and the portals Apr 19 22:57
tacone the portals shuold have a summary each and possibly a picture/photo. Apr 19 22:57
schestowitz Yup Apr 19 22:57
schestowitz Photos are not simple in MediaWiki Apr 19 22:58
tacone of course i understand this is early. Apr 19 22:58
schestowitz I need to enable external linking Apr 19 22:58
schestowitz Or upload it Apr 19 22:58
schestowitz tacone: yes, very early Apr 19 22:58
schestowitz Content is a mess, still.. Apr 19 22:58
tacone it’d even get rid of the left column (navigation, search, etc) Apr 19 22:59
schestowitz The RSS aggregator is no good for full text Apr 19 22:59
tacone that can be put somewhere else. Apr 19 22:59
schestowitz It either refuses the input or makes it ugly Apr 19 22:59
schestowitz So automated import of HTML is  a no-no Apr 19 22:59
tacone you’ll need to tweak the theme and manually add the wordpress rrs Apr 19 22:59
tacone I told you wikimedia wouldn’t have be that easy :P Apr 19 23:00
tacone or tried to tell ya Apr 19 23:00
schestowitz No, it’s fine Apr 19 23:06
schestowitz The goal was different Apr 19 23:06
schestowitz I want to merge these two Apr 19 23:06
schestowitz tacone: thanks a lot for the help Apr 19 23:15
tacone you’re welcome. Apr 19 23:15
tacone i did nothing. Apr 19 23:15
schestowitz I’ll need to hack a lot on the Wiki before a switchover Apr 19 23:15
schestowitz It will be done some time later this year Apr 19 23:15
tacone ok Apr 19 23:18
tacone we’ll see :-) Apr 19 23:18
schestowitz http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/h… “In early 2008, I reviewed the ASUS Eee PC 4G, one of the original netbooks. It cost $400, had a 7-inch screen, 4GB of storage space, 512MB of RAM and ran the Linux operating system. A whole lot has changed in a year. Nearly every computer maker has released a netbook, which can range from a few hundred dollars to $900, and most typically features Apr 19 23:20
schestowitz Microsoft’s Windows XP operating system.” Apr 19 23:20
schestowitz Microsoft is just trying to ruin this market Apr 19 23:20
schestowitz ARM will come shortly (July I think) Apr 19 23:20
tacone ms has only windows ce for arm Apr 19 23:21
tacone arm is going to be a real change Apr 19 23:21
schestowitz Garmin nuvifone G60 bringing the Linux-love in June? < http://www.intomobile.com/2009/04/17/ga… > Apr 19 23:21
tacone mainly because ms can change architecture Apr 19 23:21
balzac lart Apr 19 23:21
tacone but ISV are not ready to ship for a different architecture Apr 19 23:22
schestowitz Yo Apr 19 23:22
schestowitz Balrog: what’s up, balzac ? Apr 19 23:22
tacone they got used to the Intel monopoly. mentality doesn’t change that fast. Apr 19 23:22
schestowitz tacone: which ISVs? Apr 19 23:22
schestowitz This has Firefox and other apps Apr 19 23:22
tacone every ISV. Apr 19 23:22
schestowitz Skype might be an isue Apr 19 23:22
schestowitz But they compiled it for JesisPhone Apr 19 23:22
schestowitz *Jesusphone (iPhone) Apr 19 23:22
tacone pick a any software for windows xp Apr 19 23:23
Balrog_ heh, Skype for Mac is around …. Apr 19 23:23
tacone and see if there’s a version for ARM. Apr 19 23:23
Balrog_ (and it works on PPC) Apr 19 23:23
balzac hey roy Apr 19 23:23
balzac just workin on a sunday evening again Apr 19 23:23
tacone MS would need to port windows xp/7 for arm and ship another version of visual studio Apr 19 23:23
balzac bbiab, got to grab a bite Apr 19 23:23
tacone and encourage people to adopt it. Apr 19 23:23
tacone impossible. Apr 19 23:23
tacone they have no choice than to FUD and try to resist change. Apr 19 23:24
schestowitz tacone: can choose between heavy $900 windows XP netnotebooks or a light $200 Linux one that lasts all day (battery) Apr 19 23:24
tacone i’m saying the whole win ecosystem is totally unprepared for arm. Apr 19 23:24
schestowitz tacone: where would the profit be to MS? Apr 19 23:25
schestowitz It’ll report abysmal results shortly Apr 19 23:25
schestowitz Linux is killing them Apr 19 23:25
tacone i’m said MS is in trouble. Apr 19 23:25
tacone saying. Apr 19 23:25
schestowitz They are desperate to starve based on price Apr 19 23:25
schestowitz They just try to put an end to low-end computers Apr 19 23:25
tacone even if they can port windows they can make ISV to port. Apr 19 23:25
schestowitz tacone: Debian has loads of stuff on the repos for ARM Apr 19 23:26
tacone skype btw is pretty responsive. just give them 2-3 years :) Apr 19 23:26
schestowitz Windows — not so much Apr 19 23:26
tacone ms has only windows ce for arm afaik Apr 19 23:26
*tacone just switched to exaile from banshee Apr 19 23:27
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schestowitz yes Apr 19 23:36
schestowitz “Patents suppress innovation” and “We don’t need patents because other IP protection forms are absolutely sufficient” are two of the arguments most frequently heard when discussing the problem of “software patents” in Europe.  http://www.epo.org/about-us/events/… Apr 19 23:39
schestowitz EPO makes me sick Apr 19 23:39
schestowitz They just extend the scope to make more money. Private business giving government-protected monopolies for cash. And the stupid law allows people to block competition and customers be scared to use some code because it might “not be licenced” (to merely perform some method like “recommended review”) Apr 19 23:40
schestowitz Juniper for MS, by MS: http://www.webwire.com/View… Apr 19 23:42
tacone patents should be suppressed though. Apr 19 23:43
schestowitz KDE 4.2 success story in Mandriva 2009.1: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/35957 Apr 19 23:44
schestowitz There are webdev patents too Apr 19 23:44
schestowitz Lots of them Apr 19 23:44
schestowitz You might be violating some, tacone Apr 19 23:44
tacone sure I am Apr 19 23:45
tacone jpeg on website for example. Apr 19 23:45
schestowitz “So, am I happy? In a word, yes. With the Desktop “Folder Containment view”, things behave much like the old KDE, so I can get around fairly well, and do what I need to do. And, as Mandriva is building toward their final Spring release, they are releasing daily scads of bugfixes and updates–resulting in my system now becoming very stable, which is essential for a production machine” Apr 19 23:45
schestowitz tacone: yes, that one Apr 19 23:45
schestowitz Patents criminalise programmers Apr 19 23:45
schestowitz And Web developers and many other occupations Apr 19 23:46
schestowitz Even Microsoft customers become criminals Apr 19 23:46
tacone nations criminalize citizens Apr 19 23:46
schestowitz And Mcirosoft is sued for “pirating” every other week Apr 19 23:46
tacone criminalization = control Apr 19 23:46
schestowitz tacone: no, nations care :-) Apr 19 23:46
schestowitz They are like parents Apr 19 23:46
tacone you shall be collaborative if you don’t want to be sued. Apr 19 23:46
schestowitz Caning you to tell you what’s wrong Apr 19 23:46
schestowitz Though shall support our troops Apr 19 23:47
tacone in patents, corporations are criminalizating. Apr 19 23:47
schestowitz I think we could tame money to SupportTheTroops(C) Apr 19 23:47
tacone but nations do that too, as a tool for control Apr 19 23:47
tacone italy does. Apr 19 23:47
schestowitz In the US , some peoplw who opposed war got flagged as terror suspects Apr 19 23:47
tacone criminalizes bloggers Apr 19 23:47
schestowitz Some people were smart about it Apr 19 23:47
tacone if you say something wrong, they do a quick check Apr 19 23:47
schestowitz “Suppor the troops — bring em back home” Apr 19 23:48
tacone find you’re infringing (like everyone else btw) and shut you down. Apr 19 23:48
silentivm Brazil also can do that, in theory Apr 19 23:48
schestowitz Or scanning sites for one violation of copyright Apr 19 23:48
schestowitz Like some image Apr 19 23:48
schestowitz Classic one Apr 19 23:48
schestowitz They tried it against PJ Apr 19 23:48
silentivm we have theoretical “freedom of speech”, but try criticizing the government or a large corporation Apr 19 23:48
balzac Someone should make a list of software patent advocate groups and individuals Apr 19 23:48
silentivm you WILL get sued Apr 19 23:48
schestowitz Also, TrollTracker got threatened for having JPEG in a Web page Apr 19 23:49
schestowitz So he dropped JPEG Apr 19 23:49
tacone in italy Apr 19 23:49
balzac the list can be held up for public shaming – the thought police and freedom-hater’s conspiritors list Apr 19 23:49
tacone you can’t have a (traditional) journal which is not registered to the state Apr 19 23:49
tacone that obviously extends to websites Apr 19 23:49
tacone no one obviously registers his site (difficult, and probably not possible at all for a private guy) Apr 19 23:50
silentivm in Brazil there’s no need to register Apr 19 23:50
tacone so, some people got sued for having a clandestine (is that word right?) journal over the internet. Apr 19 23:50
tacone and, guess what ? he was talking about mafia. Apr 19 23:51
tacone what a coincidence. Apr 19 23:51
silentivm yep Apr 19 23:52
Balrog_ threatened for a JPEG?!?!? Apr 19 23:52
silentivm but hey, Brazil is the country where singing along a song is considered copyright infringement Apr 19 23:52
silentivm (yes, this is true) Apr 19 23:52
tacone he has been sued for defamation as well. Apr 19 23:53
tacone yes, balrog. that’s a typical software patent. Apr 19 23:54
tacone Balrog: http://www.stefanoforenza.com… Apr 19 23:54
tacone ms has tried to patent double click Apr 19 23:55
tacone and also ‘xml based document for interoperability purpouses’ Apr 19 23:55
tacone well, the xml patent has been accepted, in australia.. Apr 19 23:55
tacone lol ! Apr 19 23:56
schestowitz Novell’s shill blog: http://opsamericas.com/?p=1220 Apr 19 23:57
schestowitz Now, *that’s* LOL Apr 19 23:57
tacone i think that’s aggregated on planet suse Apr 19 23:58
schestowitz Well, it’s a Novell advocacy thing Apr 19 23:59
schestowitz Run by partners, AFAIK Apr 19 23:59
tacone no Apr 19 23:59
tacone it’s by novel… Apr 19 23:59
schestowitz I wrote about it some years ago Apr 19 23:59
tacone oh or partners Apr 19 23:59
schestowitz tacone: directly? Apr 19 23:59
Balrog_ schestowitz: ok to PM? Apr 19 23:59
Balrog_ I want you to look over something Apr 19 23:59
schestowitz Balrog: better public Apr 19 23:59
tacone you can say it’s from novell or partners by the title Apr 19 23:59
schestowitz tacone: let me fetch links Apr 19 23:59
tacone no one advocates Suse Linux ENTERPRISE Apr 19 23:59
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