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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 21st, 2009 – Part 5

Posted in IRC Logs at 2:10 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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schestowitz Mono unrest in http://automorphic.blogspot.com/2… Apr 21 18:06
schestowitz Google, Twitter, WordPress Reps Go To Iraq < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews… >. Yeah, yeah… that’ll save them. How about just leaving the country alone? Apr 21 18:06
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trmanco http://www.redhat.com/about/where-… Apr 21 18:31
balzac I’ve been spending too much time doing social advocacy lately Apr 21 18:38
balzac during business hours, that is Apr 21 18:38
Balrog heh Apr 21 18:38
balzac I have to drop out of here doing business hours Apr 21 18:39
balzac it’s too interesting and engaging for me to be productive Apr 21 18:39
balzac I’ll drop in after hours and on weekends, but I have to quit idling in here during business hours Apr 21 18:40
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trmanco http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/mic… Apr 21 18:46
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trmanco http://ma.tt/2009/04/blogs-… Apr 21 18:54
_boo_ from prev link it’s enough to read jonathan swift’s citation Apr 21 18:55
trmanco MSN website hacked: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/connect/news/ar… Apr 21 19:03
trmanco pff Apr 21 19:03
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schestowitz I could use help with .htaccess Apr 21 19:07
schestowitz But it’s too site-sepcific.. Apr 21 19:08
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schestowitz I’ve just burned an hour without success. Apr 21 19:15
schestowitz WordPress in root dir was a bad idea (Shane’s idea) Apr 21 19:15
schestowitz It hijacked all requests to root Apr 21 19:16
trmanco I also have wordpress at that level, and yes it is a bad idea Apr 21 19:17
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schestowitz trmanco: I never install CMSs at top level Apr 21 19:24
schestowitz I had to escape with redirects using a plugin for WordPress because Apache won’t do Apr 21 19:25
trmanco Microsoft Said to Step Up Talks With Yahoo on Ad Partnership : http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pi… Apr 21 19:26
trmanco I haven’t had any major problem with it yet, but I do not recommend it to anyone… I did that when I was a newb Apr 21 19:26
schestowitz Secretive U.S. Prison Units Used to House Muslim, Animal Rights and Environmental Activists < http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/com… > Apr 21 19:27
trmanco I can always change  it anyway, but I’m to lazy to do it :-P Apr 21 19:27
schestowitz trmanco: will antitrust stop the deal ;-) Apr 21 19:27
schestowitz “Good cuddly Microsoft, big bad Google…” (said the Microsoft crony in USDOJ) Apr 21 19:28
trmanco I hope so, That’s what they deserve Apr 21 19:28
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schestowitz Watch the picture: Obama shields CIA interrogators from charges < http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/n162… > Apr 21 19:28
schestowitz The British police covered up after its attack on an innocent bystander in G20 protest: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com… Apr 21 19:30
schestowitz There was a stand handing out leaflets about Ian Tomlinson near where I live Apr 21 19:30
trmanco The offensive Microsoft anti-Linux netbook offensive: http://www.itwire.com/conte… you might of read this already… Apr 21 19:31
schestowitz California’s new power source a solar farm < http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ar… > Another Ethanol-like scam where more energy is taken than produced. Apr 21 19:32
schestowitz Rocket Launches Damage Ozone Layer, Study Says < http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/… > Apr 21 19:33
schestowitz trmanco: Microsoft conned some OEMs, telling them Vista7 will run on these cheaply if they drop Linux. They said nothing about CripplEdition, I reckon. Apr 21 19:34
trmanco lol Apr 21 19:35
trmanco the 3 app edition Apr 21 19:35
_boo_ schestowitz, i believe they said quite different things Apr 21 19:35
_boo_ what they said was smth like: either you reject linux, or you won’t get cheap oem versions ever Apr 21 19:36
schestowitz Lenovo Analyst: [A Circa-1998 Version of] Linux on Netbooks Is Doomed < http://ostatic.com/blog/lenovo-… > Apr 21 19:39
schestowitz _boo_: yes, likely. It’s illegal Apr 21 19:39
schestowitz Intel played these games too Apr 21 19:39
schestowitz Intel too is a criminal organisation Apr 21 19:39
schestowitz Violating market rules Apr 21 19:39
_boo_ lol… when m$ was legal… Apr 21 19:39
schestowitz But there is no regulation Apr 21 19:40
_boo_ intel plays these games all the time Apr 21 19:40
_boo_ because those pathetic sellers are weak Apr 21 19:40
schestowitz “A woman left covered in bruises after apparently being slapped in the face by a [UK[ police sergeant” http://www.guardian.co.uk/politic… Apr 21 19:41
Balrog http://blogs.computerworld.com/fi… Apr 21 19:42
Balrog $100, 128MB ram, 533MHz ARM11 Apr 21 19:42
_boo_ hm… Apr 21 19:43
_boo_ wonder if they cost anywhere near 200-300$ in russia Apr 21 19:44
trmanco Windows 7 Starter Edition Only Runs 3 Applications At Once: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/… Apr 21 19:44
_boo_ lol Apr 21 19:44
Balrog heh yeah. Apr 21 19:44
Balrog So did XP starter :) Apr 21 19:44
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Balrog but they didn’t push xp starter for netbooks Apr 21 19:44
schestowitz US army soldier convicted of killing Iraqi detainees http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/a… Apr 21 19:45
mib_asf8dx stupid directhex is promoting banshee of hell on ubuntu…… Apr 21 19:45
schestowitz mib_asf8dx: sure Apr 21 19:46
schestowitz also debian Apr 21 19:46
mib_asf8dx We need to port banshee to python! Apr 21 19:46
schestowitz seller??\ Apr 21 19:47
trmanco I don’t use that crap Apr 21 19:47
mib_asf8dx yes, It’s me  ,I using mibbit Apr 21 19:47
trmanco audacious serves me well Apr 21 19:47
schestowitz ok Apr 21 19:47
Balrog can’t you set a nick? Apr 21 19:47
schestowitz did you see the wiki? Apr 21 19:47
mib_asf8dx Balrog: ok Apr 21 19:47
mib_asf8dx schestowitz: yes Apr 21 19:47
mib_asf8dx schestowitz: but I think it’s better to remove all new and set the home page only for introduction and links Apr 21 19:48
mib_asf8dx new pollutes home page  , or Apr 21 19:48
mib_asf8dx put only news of day Apr 21 19:48
mib_asf8dx wait a moment, I will chane my name Apr 21 19:49
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schestowitz seller: let’s work on this together Apr 21 19:50
schestowitz Make sure you have a Wiki account Apr 21 19:50
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schestowitz If you have writings about ethics, add them. Let’s edit some more related topics as it’s viewed the most times/day Apr 21 19:51
schestowitz http://techdirt.com/articles/… (Custom Toy Blogger Accused Of Infringing On Wolverine) Apr 21 19:51
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schestowitz “keydon @schestowitz: Oracle buys SUN to kill MySQL. Open Source business = buy to kill” Apr 21 19:52
schestowitz Consider their past anti-mysql acquisitions. It’s a possibility. Apr 21 19:53
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schestowitz De Icaza conveniently ignored gnote when referring to a post which covers it: http://tirania.org/blog/archiv… Apr 21 19:59
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mib_bns55e soory ,I was trying to change, but mibbit records ip now Apr 21 20:00
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mib_bns55e We need to make a list of microsoft perversions and unethical works (and even crimes) Apr 21 20:04
mib_bns55e and then put on wiki Apr 21 20:04
schestowitz Satirical open letter to Microsoft (from FOSS guy): http://maratux.blogspot.com/2009/0… Apr 21 20:05
schestowitz “rlancefield @schestowitz Great isn’t it? The police “haven’t yet received a formal complaint”. They didn’t get one from Ian Tomlinson, either…” Apr 21 20:05
dan__ Whao!… sounding a bit Scientology there… yeah MS need ethics Apr 21 20:05
schestowitz The police here is starting to treat people in a third world country Apr 21 20:05
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schestowitz Seller: it’s being done already Apr 21 20:06
schestowitz We have over 6000 posts, some containing evidence Apr 21 20:06
schestowitz Someone is stringing indexes together Apr 21 20:06
schestowitz [for the Wiki] Apr 21 20:06
schestowitz And you too can help Apr 21 20:06
mib_bns55e ok Apr 21 20:07
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schestowitz To index this stuff is not easy, but search is valuable if you look for particular incidents. Apr 21 20:07
schestowitz Seller: there are levels here Apr 21 20:08
schestowitz Reporters who collect evidence Apr 21 20:08
schestowitz Newspapers and publ’s that put forth the facts Apr 21 20:08
zer0c00l What the Oracle Acquisition of Sun Means for Linux: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news… Apr 21 20:08
schestowitz BN collects many such reports Apr 21 20:08
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schestowitz The blogging style is such that it’s rich with reports being cited Apr 21 20:08
schestowitz So now, as a last level, we need indexing Apr 21 20:08
dan__ Just thinking about how MS said XP was over when Vista came in ….. then when business did not want Vista they brought XP back…. now its back on netbooks too. Apr 21 20:08
schestowitz Google already facilitates search Apr 21 20:09
schestowitz dan__: yes, Vista7 is a disaster Apr 21 20:09
schestowitz Wait until Thursday night Apr 21 20:09
schestowitz See their results Apr 21 20:09
mib_bns55e schestowitz: I’m planning to create a ebook publishing crimes of microsoft and how to do more ethics in this unethical world Apr 21 20:09
schestowitz People still love XP more than Vista and Microsoft sells it for under $15 because of GNU/Linux Apr 21 20:09
schestowitz And their financial results SHOW. Apr 21 20:09
dan__ Notice as well how low key Win7 is its like stealth launch no hype at all Apr 21 20:09
schestowitz mib_bns55e: use site search for BN if you look for examples on particular topic/area int he world/government/company, then follow external refs Apr 21 20:10
schestowitz dan__: marketing is priicey Apr 21 20:10
schestowitz Microsoft is cutting expenses now Apr 21 20:11
mib_bns55e schestowitz: We need urgent ways to promote ethics Apr 21 20:11
mib_bns55e schestowitz: charity will NEVER save the world Apr 21 20:12
schestowitz Oracle ‘blocked’ the Linux/FOSS news Apr 21 20:12
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schestowitz It was the same when Sun bought mysql Apr 21 20:12
mib_bns55e schestowitz: instead some riches uses false charity Apr 21 20:12
dan__ True marketing is pricey Apr 21 20:12
schestowitz They distract reporters Apr 21 20:12
mib_bns55e schestowitz: This is a bad thing Apr 21 20:12
schestowitz dan__: they spend billions on imposed Vista illusions Apr 21 20:12
mib_bns55e schestowitz: more layoffs, more homogenous IT Apr 21 20:12
schestowitz It’s cheaper now to bribe bloggers Apr 21 20:12
dan__ for example? Apr 21 20:13
schestowitz Which is what they did in both cases, also in Vista7 Apr 21 20:13
schestowitz mib_bns55e: charity is like offering healthcare to people who die in a bombing Apr 21 20:13
schestowitz You stop the crime and harm by ending the bombing Apr 21 20:13
schestowitz Not by sending in doctors Apr 21 20:13
mib_bns55e schestowitz: Yes, because this , people must learn ethics Apr 21 20:14
mib_bns55e schestowitz: people only thinks in personal decisions Apr 21 20:14
schestowitz Do you have any writings lying around Apr 21 20:14
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schestowitz mib_bns55e: try to change nick Apr 21 20:14
schestowitz Reenter IRC Apr 21 20:14
mib_bns55e schestowitz: for example ,There are a lot of microsoft devs , but no one try to spend 10% time in learn free software Apr 21 20:14
schestowitz People think of self because education divides them Apr 21 20:15
mib_bns55e schestowitz: And we need to change this Apr 21 20:15
schestowitz Division is powerful means for centralised control Apr 21 20:15
schestowitz Say I run a prison Apr 21 20:15
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schestowitz If I keep inmates in separate cells, they can’t unite Apr 21 20:15
schestowitz They can’t organise and make demands Apr 21 20:15
dan__ How is this related to MS and Free Software? Apr 21 20:16
schestowitz The same goes for governments, which if you study this carefully you’ll find use the very same tactics against citizens that it used against foreign forces Apr 21 20:16
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schestowitz It treats them similarly as a threat and responds similarly. Political science teaches this. Apr 21 20:16
schestowitz dan__: it’s not Apr 21 20:16
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schestowitz But this person raises the issue of ethics quite routinely Apr 21 20:16
schestowitz For people to appreciate Free software they need to start with a basis of philosophy too Apr 21 20:17
schestowitz See GNU site for example. Apr 21 20:17
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dan__ Totally agree the writings of Stallman are a good starting point. Apr 21 20:18
schestowitz Say you try to promote reduction of emissions. You need to start by having people care about the issue. Apr 21 20:18
schestowitz To propose solutions is not enough Apr 21 20:18
seller_liar ok, my name is seller_liar now Apr 21 20:18
schestowitz Like advance Linux Apr 21 20:18
seller_liar but I’m focus only in microsoft Apr 21 20:18
schestowitz Because of people don’t know WHY they should move to Linux, they won’t Apr 21 20:18
seller_liar and free software Apr 21 20:18
schestowitz If people are not told why they should buy free-range chicken, they’ll buy the cheap option Apr 21 20:18
seller_liar but ,we need to show how is important to use free software , because of ethics Apr 21 20:19
dan__ Not sure I agree, people will move to Linux is they see advantages in doing so Apr 21 20:19
schestowitz Ethical and technical Apr 21 20:19
schestowitz On the technical side there are many also Apr 21 20:19
seller_liar we must convince people : ethics is the only way to change the world Apr 21 20:19
seller_liar all is evil is consequence of lack of ethics Apr 21 20:19
seller_liar About technical traits ,I don t know Apr 21 20:20
seller_liar We can focus on technical merits like opensource does , we need to focus in ethics , like free software Apr 21 20:21
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schestowitz But does BN have room for this? Apr 21 20:22
schestowitz It would lose focus and not contain the message we want to deliver about technical issues like patents Apr 21 20:22
schestowitz Patents are ethical issues too of course, not just to engineers and economists Apr 21 20:22
schestowitz [and lawyers *cough cough*] Apr 21 20:22
seller_liar Yes, I know , but we promote free software because of ethics, not because it is more powerful and secure Apr 21 20:23
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schestowitz XP is almost gratis now. Free as in free razor (no blades): http://www.thetechlounge.com… Apr 21 20:24
schestowitz seller_liar: agreed Apr 21 20:24
schestowitz But are we prepared to align with a message that goes into questions like that, except for IRC? Apr 21 20:25
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schestowitz In IRC we do raise political issues too and discuss them. But that’s mostly focal. Apr 21 20:25
seller_liar not yet, I will do a rationale and motivation and put on wiki .But I will focus only on free software and microsoft Apr 21 20:25
schestowitz Thank you. Apr 21 20:26
schestowitz Links would help too Apr 21 20:26
schestowitz Like adding some external to GNU at the bottom. Lessig also.. Apr 21 20:26
schestowitz Lessig doesn’t care about ethics though Apr 21 20:26
schestowitz He cares about the influence of corruptions (corporations in this case) on legal issues like copyrights Apr 21 20:27
seller_liar this is ethics too Apr 21 20:29
seller_liar but lessig focus only in big boys Apr 21 20:29
seller_liar we need to focus in common people too Apr 21 20:29
seller_liar corporations (big boys) are rich because common people permits Apr 21 20:30
seller_liar people insits in using microsoft windows , a software from a corrupt and destrutive company Apr 21 20:31
seller_liar people insist to use nike , a company which uses enslavered work Apr 21 20:32
schestowitz AdaCore writes “GNU/Linux” in its press release, which is rare but commendable: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/go… Apr 21 20:32
seller_liar people insist in but diamonds from campanies which destroy african arms Apr 21 20:32
schestowitz seller_liar: which shoemakers don’t enslave? Apr 21 20:33
seller_liar ada core ? from gcc-ada? Apr 21 20:33
schestowitz I get the impression Nike does what many of its wannabes do Apr 21 20:33
schestowitz I mean, is it not being picked on because of its size mostly? Apr 21 20:33
seller_liar schestowitz:Then we need to buy from companies whiche enslave less…. Apr 21 20:33
schestowitz And what shoes should one encourage buying instead? To use a hypothetical example… Apr 21 20:33
seller_liar schestowitz: We need to reward companies which uses less slavery Apr 21 20:34
schestowitz That’s the same issue with channeling people away from Microsoft, weaning them off Windows to……….. Apple+Mac Apr 21 20:34
schestowitz If they don’t realise the issues, they’ll think Apple is “good” and “cool” Apr 21 20:34
seller_liar schestowitz: But in IT world there a good solution , GNU/Linux Apr 21 20:34
schestowitz seller_liar: like Greenpeace ladders? Apr 21 20:34
seller_liar schestowitz: maybe …. Apr 21 20:34
schestowitz seller_liar: depends who from.. Apr 21 20:34
schestowitz Oracle Unbreakable? Apr 21 20:35
schestowitz Ballnux? Apr 21 20:35
seller_liar seller_liar: but greenpeace focus only in big boys too Apr 21 20:35
schestowitz Heh. Apr 21 20:35
schestowitz Yes, I know Apr 21 20:35
schestowitz But it’s brand people recognise Apr 21 20:35
Balrog greenpeace was said to be soliciting ‘donations’ for good reports Apr 21 20:35
schestowitz Can states be lobbied to teach more on ethics? Apr 21 20:35
schestowitz That’s an abstract route of course Apr 21 20:35
seller_liar This is very hard Apr 21 20:36
seller_liar schestowitz: the solution io people teaches more ethics to more people Apr 21 20:36
schestowitz And curriculum at schools are driven by companies who employ the kids when they grow up Apr 21 20:36
schestowitz Same with military Apr 21 20:36
seller_liar schestowitz: For example Apr 21 20:36
schestowitz Kids are taught to march, chant hymns, love militarisiation, and love corporations (maximalisation) Apr 21 20:36
seller_liar schestowitz: Friends have more impact (people) than school(state) Apr 21 20:36
schestowitz But that’s the way society functions Apr 21 20:37
schestowitz In some countries, religion drives education also Apr 21 20:37
schestowitz seller_liar: not sure Apr 21 20:37
seller_liar seller_liar: But people have more influence in people Apr 21 20:37
schestowitz People spend a lot of time at schools Apr 21 20:37
schestowitz And it’s transfered by peer Apr 21 20:37
seller_liar schestowitz: But schools does not convince more than a friend Apr 21 20:37
schestowitz People to people if people are brainwashed is no good Apr 21 20:37
schestowitz Also, people not ‘learn’ from Fox News and XBox Apr 21 20:38
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seller_liar schestowitz: We from BN are not brainwashed Apr 21 20:38
schestowitz About shooting Iraquis and shooting people, respectively Apr 21 20:38
schestowitz This dumping down is GOOD… for the stakeholders Apr 21 20:38
schestowitz Those owning the networks and companies (same people) Apr 21 20:38
seller_liar schestowitz: We can convince people about ethics because , we are not brainwashed Apr 21 20:38
schestowitz Like GE Apr 21 20:38
schestowitz GE owns part of NBC Apr 21 20:38
schestowitz So GE’s nuclear/tech agenda impacts the news people are told Apr 21 20:39
schestowitz Freedom of the press then become Freedom of the private tyranny (GE, which is structured exactly like that) Apr 21 20:39
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seller_liar schestowitz: But the media is not a good source of belief Apr 21 20:39
dan__ Formerly MSNBC, looks like they pimp themselves around a lot :) Apr 21 20:40
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seller_liar schestowitz:People believes more in personal friends than media and other things Apr 21 20:40
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schestowitz dan__: Cramer Apr 21 20:41
schestowitz Did you see him busted? Apr 21 20:41
schestowitz In Comedy Central Apr 21 20:41
schestowitz And Maria Bartiromo and the rest of the gang? :-) Apr 21 20:41
seller_liar no Apr 21 20:41
dan__ Whats Cramer? Apr 21 20:41
schestowitz seller_liar: that’s the issue. People used to meet friends more Apr 21 20:41
schestowitz Now they have Fox and xBox Apr 21 20:42
schestowitz So they talk less Apr 21 20:42
schestowitz They become consumers, no co-producers of messages Apr 21 20:42
seller_liar schestowitz: No Apr 21 20:42
schestowitz There are good talks about the subject Apr 21 20:42
schestowitz dan__: MAD Money Apr 21 20:42
schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/arch… Apr 21 20:43
dan__ Oh yeah the crazy guy on You Tube Apr 21 20:43
seller_liar schestowitz: The only way to promote ethics is convince people personally Apr 21 20:43
schestowitz Iconic example of the poor state of information on television Apr 21 20:43
*schestowitz got rid of his TV Apr 21 20:43
schestowitz dan__: no YouTUbe, prime time television Apr 21 20:44
seller_liar schestowitz: Like jeovah withnesses Apr 21 20:44
schestowitz seller_liar: later on they sod off and get reprogrammed Apr 21 20:44
dan__ Yeah I know but the clip was on You Tube afterwards….. Apr 21 20:44
schestowitz Like some 8 y-o girls saying “i’m a PC” Apr 21 20:44
schestowitz Or some iphone ‘pr0n’ in TV Apr 21 20:45
schestowitz People’s ability to be deceived is well studied Apr 21 20:45
schestowitz So they are made emotionally attached not to what they should Apr 21 20:45
dan__ Amazing everyone thinks iPhone is great but its really a missive rip-off Apr 21 20:45
Balrog dan__: explain. Apr 21 20:45
schestowitz They call it Jususphone in The Register Apr 21 20:45
schestowitz *Jesus Apr 21 20:46
Balrog heh, the pundits call things by many names Apr 21 20:46
dan__ With iPhone everything is proprietary, content, OS and apps are controlled by a monopoly Apr 21 20:47
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schestowitz The police here has gone the wrong way. Who would police them now? They arrest protesters without charges and now slap a woman.  She should complain to the police ;-) (about the police) Apr 21 20:49
Balrog dan__: heard of jailbreaking devices? Apr 21 20:50
Balrog and yes, if you have the $100 dev certificate, you can install any app you want; doesn’t require approval Apr 21 20:51
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schestowitz Microsoft Web site Crack3d and def4ced: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/connect/ne… Apr 21 20:51
dan__ I’m sure there are hacks and cracks but vast majority of users will use vanilla iPhone and pay Apple a lot Apr 21 20:53
schestowitz Hmmmmmmmmm….. Apr 21 20:56
schestowitz “Boycottnovell not showing up on my iGoogle feed, when i press on link its going to http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index… Apr 21 20:56
schestowitz I guess that’s the downside of people using different services in different ways Apr 21 20:56
Balrog schestowitz: make a www.boycottnovell.com/news that redirects to the wordpress site Apr 21 20:58
Balrog then get people to use that Apr 21 20:58
Balrog dan__: we’ve heard that at least a million devices have been jailbroken Apr 21 20:59
schestowitz Balrog: how would that resolve anything? Maybe I’m not following… Apr 21 21:00
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MinceR it must be fun to pay $100 for something that should be free Apr 21 21:01
Balrog it does remove the restrictions of everything being proprietary (third party apps available) and controlled (you can jailbreak) Apr 21 21:01
Balrog MinceR: the $100 also gives you the ability to sell apps in the store Apr 21 21:01
MinceR what if i don’t want to sell apps? Apr 21 21:02
Balrog then jailbreak Apr 21 21:02
MinceR ok, my fault for expecting reason from apple fanboys Apr 21 21:02
MinceR they’d pay $100 for a piece of turd if it had an apple logo on it Apr 21 21:02
Balrog it’s easy enough … and I don’t see how they can cry DMCA when unlocking is legal under DMCA and you must jailbreak to unlock Apr 21 21:02
Balrog schestowitz: do you have a list of software under AGPL? Apr 21 21:03
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MinceR even if they do so in violation of the law, abusing their own customers is still abusing their own customers Apr 21 21:04
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Omar87 Guys? Apr 21 21:04
Omar87 So, what do you think of today’s biggest surprise? Apr 21 21:05
Balrog are customers complaining about being abused…? No, the percentage of Windows users that do so is higher, and Windows isn’t that controlled Apr 21 21:05
Balrog Omar87: which surprise? Apr 21 21:05
Balrog schestowitz: you know of such a list? Apr 21 21:05
Omar87 Balrog: Oracle’s acquisition of Sun. Apr 21 21:05
Balrog that was yesterday’s news. Apr 21 21:06
schestowitz BN is doing 2GB traffic/hour today :-p Apr 21 21:06
schestowitz Oops. I mean 500MB Apr 21 21:06
schestowitz Wrong division Apr 21 21:06
seller_liar the only way to stop crApple is convince people to not buy iphone Apr 21 21:07
schestowitz Balrog: I suggest you look at Palamida’s DB for that list Apr 21 21:07
schestowitz AGPLv3 projects Apr 21 21:07
MinceR not only jesusPhone, other crApple crAp too Apr 21 21:08
Omar87 Oh, yeah, yesterday I meant. Apr 21 21:08
schestowitz Oracle is teh suxx Apr 21 21:08
Omar87 schestowitz: Huh? Apr 21 21:08
Omar87 schestowitz: Oracle suxx? Apr 21 21:08
schestowitz Sun messed itself up, but Oracle will hopefully do well Apr 21 21:09
schestowitz Which they almost never do Apr 21 21:09
Balrog heh … hopefully the release more under GPL Apr 21 21:09
schestowitz Maybe if their management got replaced… Apr 21 21:09
schestowitz Balrog: they already have Apr 21 21:09
Balrog I’d like to see ZFS and OpenSolaris being dual licensed Apr 21 21:09
schestowitz Some GPLv2 s/w Apr 21 21:09
Balrog especially ZFS Apr 21 21:09
schestowitz Very little though Apr 21 21:09
schestowitz zoobab01: pong Apr 21 21:09
schestowitz Did you see the ACT latest attack on the EU? Apr 21 21:10
schestowitz Microsoft is miserable Apr 21 21:10
schestowitz Sending hired guns to the press Apr 21 21:10
Balrog url? Apr 21 21:10
schestowitz And I feel like insulting those stupid journalists who don’t say it’s a hired gun of MS Apr 21 21:10
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0… http://www.computerworld.com/action/art… Apr 21 21:10
schestowitz Zuck and his sh*tes Apr 21 21:10
schestowitz Hired by Microsoft Apr 21 21:11
schestowitz To attack MS critics, sabotage FOSS reports, etc,. Apr 21 21:11
schestowitz Search Google for “jonathan zuck” Apr 21 21:11
mib_0aaheu mib_59y5ie mib_cf3kln mib_ey0o48 mib_fdi38t mib_grtb5s mib_iruc5g mib_kjg6ts mib_kqsq6a mib_nhm138 mib_p77t4n mib_tggylu mib_v0aaa7 mib_vfvtjy mib_vtuzfa MinceR Apr 21 21:12
schestowitz MinceR: these are the type of people you’d need to jail maybe before Jobs Apr 21 21:12
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MinceR i don’t really care about the exact order Apr 21 21:13
schestowitz Digg ends a year early its exclusive ad deal with Microsoft < http://blogs.zdnet.com/mic… > Apr 21 21:13
schestowitz MinceR: there is a chain of dependency Apr 21 21:13
MinceR i think we should jail this kind of criminal as soon as we can get hold of them Apr 21 21:13
schestowitz If you starve the criminals from Microsoft (mostly the management), then Zuck and his cronies have no funds. Apr 21 21:14
schestowitz But they will still need to be chained for crimes they already committed Apr 21 21:14
mib_0aaheu mib_59y5ie mib_cf3kln mib_ey0o48 mib_fdi38t mib_grtb5s mib_iruc5g mib_kjg6ts mib_kqsq6a mib_nhm138 mib_p77t4n mib_tggylu mib_v0aaa7 mib_vfvtjy mib_vtuzfa MinceR Apr 21 21:14
MinceR take their money and put them into penal servitude to offset the damages they’ve caused Apr 21 21:14
schestowitz MinceR: he roams the wild in Brussels Apr 21 21:14
schestowitz Catching him should not be hard Apr 21 21:14
MinceR why let them run free while we find the bigger fish? Apr 21 21:17
seller_liar the first thing we must do is destroy the source of all trolls and shills Apr 21 21:18
seller_liar Microsoft Apr 21 21:18
schestowitz seller_liar: MS is runing itself Apr 21 21:19
schestowitz More layoffs said to be coming soon Apr 21 21:19
schestowitz [at MS] Apr 21 21:19
schestowitz Maybe also in Oracle … inc. Sun staff Apr 21 21:19
seller_liar seller_liar: But this is not enough Apr 21 21:19
schestowitz I know. Apr 21 21:20
seller_liar schestowitz: We need to convince all people about ethics all stop to using ms software Apr 21 21:20
schestowitz They’ll burn the world as long as it brings money Apr 21 21:20
seller_liar schestowitz: While people buy ms software ,ms will never die Apr 21 21:20
schestowitz I’m not too optimistic at this point because they call $13,000bn in debt “recession” Apr 21 21:20
schestowitz seller_liar: Brazil too is a slave of Microsoft, still Apr 21 21:20
schestowitz Many shops depend on the drugs from Microsoft Apr 21 21:21
schestowitz s/w Microsoft will want to change from one day (if there was no Linux to escape to as a haven) Apr 21 21:21
seller_liar schestowitz: Yes, even some prefectures Apr 21 21:21
schestowitz Even selling all the beans in Brazil can’t pay for the licence to use copies of garbage software Apr 21 21:21
schestowitz I wonder how Gilberto Gill feels about the American corporations or other multinational (not just American) Apr 21 21:22
seller_liar schestowitz: But I think this helps free software because people do not waste all money Apr 21 21:22
schestowitz I know what he thinks about MS Apr 21 21:22
schestowitz Gil likes RMS and hates MS Apr 21 21:22
seller_liar schestowitz: Gil have weak power change… Apr 21 21:23
seller_liar schestowitz: But Dont worry , I will put my ideas in wiki soon…. Apr 21 21:23
schestowitz Oracle buys MySQL shocker < http://www.tuxmachines…. > list if links Apr 21 21:24
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schestowitz seller_liar: thanks Apr 21 21:28
schestowitz What’s up with Debian Apr 21 21:31
schestowitz Some flamebait about Debian “dying” out there in some blogs…. Apr 21 21:32
schestowitz They resposted it with a provocative headline: Some flamebait about Debian “dying” out there in some blogs…. Apr 21 21:32
schestowitz *reposted Apr 21 21:33
schestowitz Stupid ‘press’… the Linux hostile type Apr 21 21:33
schestowitz Mono boys are getting a fight in Mono zone. Apr 21 21:36
schestowitz oiaohm takes on the de Icaza BS Apr 21 21:36
_boo_ it’s kinda funny to hear that debian is anywhere near moving towards dying Apr 21 21:36
schestowitz “Motorola has denied putting Google’s Android onto a set-top box, pointing out that their “au” box is still running their own proprietary OS, despite reports to the contrary.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/… Apr 21 21:43
schestowitz Also in http://news.cnet.com/8301-1… Apr 21 21:43
schestowitz _boo_: Debian is very big in devices and server Apr 21 21:43
schestowitz Pictures of games on the Palm Pre (with Linux): http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/19/new-pre-cl… Apr 21 21:47
Balrog that’s not a Pre app Apr 21 21:48
Balrog it’s a PalmOS app running in emulation Apr 21 21:48
Balrog compare to ‘Classic’ [OS 9] within OS X Apr 21 21:48
Balrog or maybe it isn’t but it’s hard to say. more info has to be released. Apr 21 21:49
Balrog yeah, that’s emulation Apr 21 21:49
schestowitz Ubuntu: Dell and Zealots < http://doctormo.wordpress.com/200… > Apr 21 21:51
schestowitz Balrog: Oops. I wasn’t reading carefully Apr 21 21:51
schestowitz gartner bulls* http://news.cnet.com/8301-135… Apr 21 21:52
schestowitz It’s here and it’s ARM. First Google Android Netbooks spotted < http://blogs.computerworld.com/fir… > Apr 21 21:54
Balrog schestowitz: what do you think about inspiron mini 9 w/ ubuntu? Apr 21 21:54
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schestowitz I never tried it Apr 21 22:10
MinceR the mafiaa wants war >> http://news.slashdot.org/arti… Apr 21 22:40
MinceR time for boycottmafiaa? Apr 21 22:40
schestowitz I have no time to run it Apr 21 22:43
MinceR neither do i :/ Apr 21 22:43
schestowitz Heise Explains What’s in the Next Linux Release http://www.h-online.com/open/Kernel-L… Apr 21 22:46
schestowitz I put it in daily links (under copyrights mostly) Apr 21 22:46
schestowitz So those who cover it get more view Apr 21 22:46
trmanco I don’t get it, is it just android or google android? Apr 21 22:50
MinceR it’s crap :> Apr 21 22:51
MinceR gn Apr 21 22:53
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_boo_ trmanco, isn’t android = google android? Apr 21 22:56
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trmanco yes, but it’s confusing Apr 21 22:56
trmanco some people just right android, and others write google android Apr 21 22:56
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_boo_ in either case… you can’t afford yourself buy anything google don’t you? Apr 21 22:59
Omar87 Guys, how do you think will this affect MySQL and OO.o? Apr 21 23:00
trmanco nobody “buys” android Apr 21 23:01
_boo_ i hope so Apr 21 23:02
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wispygalaxy hi everyone!  :) Apr 21 23:06
wispygalaxy anyone awake here? Apr 21 23:07
_boo_ no Apr 21 23:08
wispygalaxy hi boo Apr 21 23:08
_boo_ hi Apr 21 23:08
wispygalaxy remember me? Apr 21 23:08
_boo_ a bit, only nick Apr 21 23:08
wispygalaxy cool Apr 21 23:08
wispygalaxy so what’s up Apr 21 23:08
trmanco hello wispygalaxy Apr 21 23:08
wispygalaxy i have no class today (at college) Apr 21 23:09
wispygalaxy hey tony!  :D Apr 21 23:09
_boo_ we ain’t got enough players at ##jswolfbot Apr 21 23:09
wispygalaxy that’s another channel you visit, right? Apr 21 23:09
_boo_ :)) most time also in #debian, #defocus, #socialites and stuff like that Apr 21 23:10
_boo_ but i’m too lazy to type /join all that channels again Apr 21 23:10
wispygalaxy neat, i hang around here mostly Apr 21 23:10
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wispygalaxy i get confused if im in too many channels haha Apr 21 23:11
wispygalaxy with AIM, i couldnt talk to more than 3 people at a time Apr 21 23:11
wispygalaxy on youtube, i visit my friend’s stream and chat there too Apr 21 23:12
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wispygalaxy *ping* roy Apr 21 23:12
_boo_ i don’t chat on youtube Apr 21 23:12
_boo_ only when drunk :) Apr 21 23:13
wispygalaxy it’s fun.  you can play videos as you chat Apr 21 23:13
wispygalaxy haha boo Apr 21 23:13
wispygalaxy some guys in the stream i go to are drunk lol Apr 21 23:13
schestowitz hey Apr 21 23:13
_boo_ my nick there is smth like bo0o0o0o0o0o0o Apr 21 23:13
wispygalaxy they type in all caps and try to annoy everyone Apr 21 23:13
wispygalaxy roy!  how are you?  :) Apr 21 23:14
schestowitz You entered so quietly. Apr 21 23:14
wispygalaxy really?  i though i wake everyone up Apr 21 23:14
wispygalaxy hehe Apr 21 23:14
wispygalaxy i cant remember that name, boo, sry  ;) Apr 21 23:14
_boo_ it’s only 2:25 here Apr 21 23:14
wispygalaxy where are you Apr 21 23:14
_boo_ russia Apr 21 23:15
wispygalaxy ah yes, i remember now Apr 21 23:15
wispygalaxy and im the jersey girl Apr 21 23:15
wispygalaxy it’s 6:26 here Apr 21 23:15
schestowitz wispygalaxy: things change for Linux and Microsoft. Microsoft is feeeeeble. Apr 21 23:15
wispygalaxy linux is gaining, woot Apr 21 23:15
schestowitz Digg dumped Microsoft too Apr 21 23:16
schestowitz So I might get back there. Apr 21 23:16
wispygalaxy im so thrilled with my debian setup Apr 21 23:16
wispygalaxy digg uses debian  ;) Apr 21 23:16
schestowitz Yes Apr 21 23:16
schestowitz Some Microsoft sites use Debian too Apr 21 23:16
wispygalaxy ms doesn’t advertise on digg anymore? Apr 21 23:16
wispygalaxy hypocrites! Apr 21 23:16
schestowitz Like newsvine Apr 21 23:16
wispygalaxy admit it, linux is better :) Apr 21 23:16
wispygalaxy i want a cute little netbook with linux, but i already have a laptop Apr 21 23:18
wispygalaxy i’ll get one when i graduate Apr 21 23:18
_boo_ i want some notebook with linux too, but i completely have no need for it Apr 21 23:21
wispygalaxy why not?  it can do everything i need, and i bet you will love it too! Apr 21 23:21
schestowitz I don’t need one either Apr 21 23:22
wispygalaxy besides, hardware costs are going down Apr 21 23:22
_boo_ i’m always at computer Apr 21 23:22
schestowitz On the go, Palm OS serves my mere needs Apr 21 23:22
wispygalaxy cool roy, if that make you happy Apr 21 23:22
schestowitz :-( Apr 21 23:22
_boo_ at home it’s pretty good desktop and at work it’s satisfiable desktop too Apr 21 23:22
wispygalaxy boo, you have a laptop, too? Apr 21 23:22
_boo_ no, i just don’t need it at all Apr 21 23:23
schestowitz Think about people with 4 cars Apr 21 23:23
wispygalaxy as a student, i need a laptop.  i bring it to the library, home, my dorm Apr 21 23:23
wispygalaxy my family has 4 cars :P Apr 21 23:23
schestowitz Or houses with more bathrooms than tenants Apr 21 23:23
wispygalaxy my dad is thinking of getting a BMW Apr 21 23:23
_boo_ as a student i couldn’t afford myself a laptop Apr 21 23:23
_boo_ even though it could be useful sometimes Apr 21 23:24
wispygalaxy awwww boo Apr 21 23:24
_boo_ after i graduated i just didn’t need it Apr 21 23:24
wispygalaxy we paid off our mortgage last year Apr 21 23:24
wispygalaxy you dont like taking the computer to the coffee shop, boo? Apr 21 23:25
_boo_ i don’t go to coffee shops Apr 21 23:25
wispygalaxy for me, portability in a computer is important Apr 21 23:25
_boo_ in fact i’m not even sure that i know what’s a coffee shop :) Apr 21 23:25
_boo_ is it some kind of cafe? Apr 21 23:25
wispygalaxy my sisters love starbucks, so we go there often haha Apr 21 23:26
_boo_ there’s none in novgorod Apr 21 23:26
wispygalaxy coffee shops not only sell coffee, they have tea (yummy), cakes, cookie, etx Apr 21 23:26
wispygalaxy etc* Apr 21 23:26
_boo_ here there are plenty of beer shops XD Apr 21 23:26
wispygalaxy lol theres a lot of beer at my college too Apr 21 23:26
_boo_ and a bit of restaurants Apr 21 23:27
wispygalaxy some kid died of alcohol poisoning at a nearby school, though, last year Apr 21 23:27
_boo_ wifi is not popular here too Apr 21 23:28
wispygalaxy the wifi at my house sucks, the signal is too weak Apr 21 23:28
_boo_ wired internet is all over novgorod Apr 21 23:28
wispygalaxy japan has better wifi, i read about that Apr 21 23:29
wispygalaxy i cant go back to dialup Apr 21 23:29
_boo_ yeah… i used it when i was a student Apr 21 23:29
wispygalaxy i had it too, man did that noise while connecting annoy me Apr 21 23:30
wispygalaxy XD Apr 21 23:30
_boo_ you could switch it off Apr 21 23:30
wispygalaxy too late now haha, we dont have dialup anymore Apr 21 23:30
_boo_ yeah, dialup is kinda history Apr 21 23:31
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wispygalaxy i hope it’s history in 10 years Apr 21 23:31
schestowitz Dialup is useful for some devices still Apr 21 23:34
schestowitz oiaohm gave it to Novuel de Icaca Apr 21 23:35
wispygalaxy haha Apr 21 23:35
wispygalaxy dialup is good for remembering the past, whenever i hear that noise it reminds me of elementary school Apr 21 23:36
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schestowitz They tend to be silent now Apr 21 23:44
schestowitz The new BN homepage is more dialup friendly Apr 21 23:44
wispygalaxy awww that’s nice of you haha Apr 21 23:44
wispygalaxy the college connection here is poor compared to my home’s connection Apr 21 23:45
wispygalaxy at least 5 times slower Apr 21 23:45
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    Politicians make it crystal clear that the EPO, despite its unique status, cannot just raise its nose at the rulings of courts of law, definitely not in Dutch territory where the EPO operates

  14. Even the Legal Community is Upset at Benoît Battistelli for the Damage He Did to the EPO

    A recent article from lawyers' media (in German) speaks of the great damage (or mess) left by its current president, who has become somewhat of a laughing stock and growingly synonymous with farcical trials even in the circles of stakeholders, not just his own staff

  15. EPO Union (SUEPO) Getting Busted: “More and More People are Joining the Union, but Fewer and Fewer People Dare to Take on Leading Positions There.”

    The union-busting actions taken by EPO management in collaboration with Control Risks (for weak accusations against staff representatives) and FTI Consulting (for 'damage control') as described in a recent article, in the words of SUEPO lawyer Liesbeth Zegveld

  16. Microsoft's Copyrights- and Patents-Based Attacks on GNU/Linux Carry on

    The SCO case is still going on and Microsoft has just signed a patent deal with GoPro over its FOSS-based software, relating to “certain file storage and other system technologies”

  17. The EPO's Benoît Battistelli is the Dictator Who Can No Longer Dictate Like He Used to

    The European Patent Office's mechanism of oversight is starting to work just a little because, based on a new report from Juve, Battistelli is now reluctant to make proposals that would prove unpopular among delegates

  18. La Más Detallada Explicación (hasta ahora) de ¿Qué esta mal con la OEP?

    La insistencia de la OEP que permanece arriba de la ley no sólo est bajo fuego en los medios pero también esta siendo desafiada basado en personas familiares con la aplicabilidad de la ley a organizaciones internacionales.

  19. Links 8/2/2016: Vista 10 Nags Help GNU/Linux, Nautilus Updated

    Links for the day

  20. The European Patent Office “is Acting as Though the Law Does Not Apply to It.”

    An article from Nieuwsuur which provides the words of Liesbeth Zegveld (for SUEPO) and Guillaume Minnoye (for the European Patent Office), reaffirming the EPO's bizarre notion that it is above the law, even in the face of human rights violations and a court ruling against the EPO

  21. Microsoft-Connected FRAND Lobbying (Software Patents Against Free/Open Source Software) in Brussels

    Anti-Free/Open Source software (FOSS) talking points and FRAND (anti-FOSS) lobbying groups in Brussels as seen by proponents of FRAND, who also worked for Microsoft

  22. Latest Propaganda From the EPO's Management an Effort to Make the EPO the Tool of Megacorporations

    A quick roundup of some of the latest spin and paid-for (bought) coverage that helps introduce a distorted patent system whose beneficiaries are not European (or even people)

  23. 'Aversion to Change' Propaganda From the EPO Echoes or Parrots Lenin and Stalin

    The out-of-control EPO management is trying to fool the media by blaming staff representatives for getting fired, simply because they stood up to a highly abusive and megalomaniacal dictator

  24. The Gates Foundation Subjected to Criticism, But Over a Decade Too Late

    Reckoning and accepting the fact that even some in the media now openly speak about Bill Gates' corrupting influence in everything, including politics

  25. Links 8/2/2016: Zenwalk 8.0 Beta 2, Q4OS 1.4.7

    Links for the day

  26. SIPO (China's Patent Office) Taken Over by Patent Maximalists

    A look at China's race to the bottom (decline in quality) when it comes to patents, assuming quite wrongly that quantity is more important than quality and severe penalties for perceived infringement will spur innovation

  27. The Alice Case Continues to Smash Software Patents (This Time OpenTV's); Will the EPO Ever Pay Attention?

    The potency or the grip of software patents in the United States is quickly eroding, but the EPO continues to act as though software patents are legitimate

  28. EPO Staff Responds to Team Battistelli's Expansion to Include French Economic Propagandist on the Payroll

    With strings attached (like string puppets of Battistelli in various units including the Investigative Unit), can the new Chief Economist, who is French and paid by Battistelli, ever be trusted?

  29. UPC: To Understand Who Would Benefit From It Just Look at Who's Promoting It (Like TPP)

    The UPC, which is designed to aid patent trolls and aggressors (and their lawyers), is still being advanced by the EPO and some misinformed (but loyal to these former groups) politicians

  30. Trolls Molestos: Rovi (del famoso Angry Birds) Ayuda al Más Largo Troll de Patentes de Microsoft Intellectual Ventures (Corregido)

    Alguna vez conocido como hacedor de juegos y más tarde como vigilancia en masa en jugadores, Rovi ahora se ESTA ALIANDO CON EL MÁS GRANDE TROLL DE PATENTES


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