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04.24.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 23rd, 2009 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 2:23 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz wispygalaxy: haha. I forgot that song Apr 23 00:03
schestowitz How old is it anyway. Apr 23 00:03
schestowitz ? Apr 23 00:03
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?… Apr 23 00:04
schestowitz Diana Ross re-renditions. Apr 23 00:04
schestowitz In the UK you can access videos that are copyright if they are remakes Apr 23 00:04
schestowitz Which beats the purpose of copies/coppyrights Apr 23 00:04
schestowitz Think along the lines of being forbidden the listening to Britney cr* Apr 23 00:04
wispygalaxy roy, it came out in 2001 i think Apr 23 00:04
wispygalaxy afroman, i mean Apr 23 00:05
schestowitz Then you can listen to someone else singing her songs Apr 23 00:05
schestowitz That’s why it’s so stupid Apr 23 00:05
schestowitz And the MAFIAA tried to gag little girls who sing Apr 23 00:05
schestowitz :-) Apr 23 00:05
wispygalaxy cover bands are allowed, too? Apr 23 00:05
schestowitz Sort Apr 23 00:05
schestowitz *sorta Apr 23 00:05
wispygalaxy mafiaa is so mean! Apr 23 00:05
schestowitz That’s why it’s called mafia Apr 23 00:05
schestowitz They are like pirate Apr 23 00:05
schestowitz With ships and cannonballs Apr 23 00:05
wispygalaxy pirates vs ninjas Apr 23 00:05
wispygalaxy :P Apr 23 00:05
schestowitz But they call YOU that Apr 23 00:05
wispygalaxy i don’t listen to mainstream stuff anyway, it’s all boring stuff Apr 23 00:06
wispygalaxy i stopped listening to FM radio, too Apr 23 00:06
wispygalaxy my little sister only has an ipod and about 5 CDs, that’s it Apr 23 00:07
wispygalaxy she has this little radio where you attach your ipod to it Apr 23 00:07
MinceR gn Apr 23 00:07
wispygalaxy see ya mincer Apr 23 00:07
wispygalaxy there’s no space to play a CD on that radio Apr 23 00:07
wispygalaxy i still have CDs, but i mainly use them for backup now Apr 23 00:08
wispygalaxy i do a lot of listening to music on the computer Apr 23 00:09
wispygalaxy hey, where’s logger_bot? Apr 23 00:10
wispygalaxy he’s not here anymore Apr 23 00:10
wispygalaxy i want to say “hi” to him Apr 23 00:10
schestowitz FM radio is centralised, so it will live Apr 23 00:15
schestowitz There’s an attack on all p2p comms Apr 23 00:15
schestowitz Uncluding usenet Apr 23 00:15
schestowitz E-mail is already moinitored Apr 23 00:15
schestowitz All p2p-esquie traffic can be daemonised because it’s [terrorism|copyright violation|child pr0n|hateful|etc] Apr 23 00:16
wispygalaxy p2p is a powerful way to distribute files, why attack it Apr 23 00:16
wispygalaxy if you can’t beat em, join em Apr 23 00:17
schestowitz IOW, we can communiate… so long as the ‘responsible adults’ are watching Apr 23 00:17
wispygalaxy we are adults, lol Apr 23 00:17
schestowitz Not to them we’re not Apr 23 00:17
schestowitz They call us ‘bewildered herd’ Apr 23 00:17
schestowitz You should hear what US politicians say about ‘the masses’ Apr 23 00:17
wispygalaxy unwashed masses Apr 23 00:17
schestowitz It’s unsealed by now Apr 23 00:17
schestowitz The old stuff Apr 23 00:17
wispygalaxy sheeple Apr 23 00:18
schestowitz The US is liberal when it comes to revealing old documents Apr 23 00:18
schestowitz Bush sorta changed that Apr 23 00:18
schestowitz They also eliminate evidenbce Apr 23 00:18
schestowitz Not just prevent futurte disclosure Apr 23 00:18
schestowitz Making it very hard for historian to investigate when it’s no longer secureity-sensitive Apr 23 00:18
schestowitz But in countries other than the US there may be no diclosure at all Apr 23 00:18
schestowitz The Cuban missle crisis was made public quite recently Apr 23 00:18
wispygalaxy yes, there will be no artifacts left for the historians of the future Apr 23 00:19
schestowitz There was almosta nuclear stike Apr 23 00:19
wispygalaxy therefore, we should build time capsules now haha Apr 23 00:19
schestowitz There could be a massive nuclear holocaust in the nrthern hemisphere Apr 23 00:19
wispygalaxy so something will be left for the future generations Apr 23 00:19
schestowitz It was very, very close Apr 23 00:19
schestowitz The guy was gonna press the button Apr 23 00:19
schestowitz He was mental Apr 23 00:19
wispygalaxy that’s why you don’t push shiny stuff, no matter how cool it looks Apr 23 00:19
wispygalaxy at my dad’s power plant, one contractor pushed a button for no reason.  he was curious, and that caused about $2 million in damage.  his company got sued Apr 23 00:20
schestowitz Human error Apr 23 00:21
schestowitz Can’t easily account for that Apr 23 00:21
schestowitz Humans run these things Apr 23 00:21
schestowitz Developed monkeys :-) Apr 23 00:21
wispygalaxy haha Apr 23 00:22
wispygalaxy some coders are monkeys at typewritters Apr 23 00:22
wispygalaxy curiosity killed the power plant, i’d say Apr 23 00:22
schestowitz Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch… Apr 23 00:23
schestowitz Tell me what you think Apr 23 00:23
schestowitz I was thinking of Homer Simpson actually :_) Apr 23 00:23
wispygalaxy thanks for the link, roy Apr 23 00:24
schestowitz Let me know your thoughts Apr 23 00:25
schestowitz I like this guy’s thesis Apr 23 00:26
amarsh04 I have been in the international network operations centre for our inbumbent telco and I did *not* want to be responsible for any problems Apr 23 00:26
wispygalaxy yes, it sucks when you take the blame for incompetent fools.  you aren’t supposed to be babysitting haha Apr 23 00:27
wispygalaxy i have done babysitting, and it’s the most annoying to watch 5-9 year olds.  they are too hyper and keep asking you for stuff Apr 23 00:28
_spc_ so you was dealing stuff to 5-9 yo? Apr 23 00:28
wispygalaxy yes, when i was a teen i babysat Apr 23 00:29
wispygalaxy neighborhood kids Apr 23 00:29
_spc_ i wanted to make a joke… stuff = weed? Apr 23 00:29
wispygalaxy oh no, hahah Apr 23 00:29
wispygalaxy i never did that :) Apr 23 00:29
wispygalaxy i have watched infants before, and it’s not too bad.  at least the babies i have watched don’t cry a lot or get too messy lol Apr 23 00:30
_spc_ yeah, nothing comes to their mind Apr 23 00:30
wispygalaxy babies do have thoughts, actually.  and they can see in color. Apr 23 00:31
_spc_ wow Apr 23 00:31
_spc_ i saw when i was born Apr 23 00:31
wispygalaxy i don’t remember myself being born lol Apr 23 00:32
wispygalaxy they say once you understand enough language, then you start to have memories Apr 23 00:32
_spc_ actually not Apr 23 00:32
_spc_ you always understand Apr 23 00:32
_spc_ babies understand even untold things Apr 23 00:33
_spc_ they just don’t focus on them Apr 23 00:33
wispygalaxy but once you understand language, then you can start to form memories Apr 23 00:33
amarsh04 grand-daughter has always had access to photos of herself from birth onwards, so she has kept an understanding of what she looked like Apr 23 00:33
_spc_ wispygalaxy, some people remember everything Apr 23 00:34
wispygalaxy that’s nice, my little sister takes a lot of photos.  she fills up her USB drive haha Apr 23 00:34
_spc_ even what was before they were born Apr 23 00:34
wispygalaxy yes, i heard about a reporter who could remember everything and did not need to take notes Apr 23 00:34
wispygalaxy before they were born? Apr 23 00:34
_spc_ yeah Apr 23 00:35
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wispygalaxy through photos? Apr 23 00:35
_spc_ no? Apr 23 00:35
amarsh04 grand-daughter took a photo of an echidna in the wild when she was 4 Apr 23 00:35
wispygalaxy how can you remember yourself as a fetus? Apr 23 00:35
_spc_ you don’t need physical body to remember Apr 23 00:35
wispygalaxy that’s cool, amarsh Apr 23 00:35
wispygalaxy did you frame it for her? Apr 23 00:35
wispygalaxy hmm, that’s interesting, _spc_ Apr 23 00:36
amarsh04 no, but I’ve kept all the digital photos and know which ones she took Apr 23 00:36
wispygalaxy my dad burns the photos onto a CD-R Apr 23 00:37
amarsh04 yes, I’ve done that also… should burn another dvd-r too Apr 23 00:37
wispygalaxy i was telling roy how my family’s desktop was fried, but we thankfully saved the photos onto CD-Rs Apr 23 00:37
wispygalaxy technically, we can get the info from the desktop back.  we never got around to it.  i don’t even need the files on it (high school assignments) Apr 23 00:38
amarsh04 I need to send off the registration for grand-daughter’s camera (Canon IXUS 85IS Christmas last year) – paperwork was mislaid Apr 23 00:39
amarsh04 yes, it’s funny to think of what computer files one really wants to keep Apr 23 00:40
wispygalaxy it’s good to register, there are benefits to it Apr 23 00:40
wispygalaxy i actually saved a lot of my files before it burned out, i knew that hard drives can fail Apr 23 00:41
wispygalaxy *ping* schestowitz Apr 23 00:41
wispygalaxy ok everyone, i’m going for now.  see ya soon! Apr 23 00:49
wispygalaxy take care for now, roy!  xx Apr 23 00:50
schestowitz hey Apr 23 00:50
schestowitz Oh Apr 23 00:50
schestowitz Got distractd Apr 23 00:50
schestowitz Hold on Apr 23 00:51
wispygalaxy thats ok haha Apr 23 00:51
schestowitz Oh, I see. Apr 23 00:51
schestowitz Did you watch the videos? Apr 23 00:51
wispygalaxy thanks again for the videos Apr 23 00:52
wispygalaxy it’s something to think about Apr 23 00:52
wispygalaxy i’ll be around if you want to talk, ok? Apr 23 00:52
wispygalaxy :D Apr 23 00:52
wispygalaxy bye bye Apr 23 00:53
schestowitz I’m still watching some stuff Apr 23 00:53
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/wat… Apr 23 00:53
schestowitz Mostly history lessons TBH Apr 23 00:53
wispygalaxy yes, it’s a lot of good stuff. Apr 23 00:53
wispygalaxy ok, i’ll chat with you later, roy.  ;) Apr 23 00:53
amarsh04 schestowitz, what did you think of rms’ speaking style for the interpreter and the interpreter’s handling, given you know both languages used? Apr 23 00:54
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schestowitz I owe YouTube so much Apr 23 00:56
schestowitz They give all that educational stuff, mostly talks Apr 23 00:56
schestowitz You can do one thing while listening or staring at videos Apr 23 00:56
schestowitz And Google is said to be losing 450 million dollar a year in YouTUbe Apr 23 00:56
amarsh04 Australian internet users have traditionally had low usage quotas and high usage charges, to the extent that for several years it was not possible to host much content locally Apr 23 00:59
amarsh04 I think that .gb had it worse due to timed local telephone calls Apr 23 01:01
amarsh04 from the mid-90′s onwards I was able to have untimed dial-up internet access for a flat rate Apr 23 01:03
amarsh04 the isp Bigpond run by the incumbent telco Telstra charges for uploads as well as downloads Apr 23 01:06
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV… Apr 23 01:25
schestowitz Interestingf controversy Apr 23 01:25
schestowitz Never heard of it before… Apr 23 01:25
amarsh04 weren’t you covering ACTA already schestowitz… I think that groklaw.net has been covering ACTA Apr 23 01:31
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schestowitz amarsh04: I do all the time Apr 23 01:35
schestowitz I did over 20 posts about it Apr 23 01:35
schestowitz PJ just mailed me moments ago a few times Apr 23 01:35
schestowitz I remember when Groklaw was doing 5 articles/day sometimes Apr 23 01:35
schestowitz I’ve just posted daily links. That’s it for today Apr 23 01:37
amarsh04 I was reading so much I wasn’t sure what sites I was getting it from Apr 23 01:39
schestowitz use browser history…? Apr 23 01:41
schestowitz anyway, gn Apr 23 01:41
amarsh04 goodnight, don’t burn yourself out Apr 23 01:41
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twitter I finally got 2.6.26 to work with my thinkpad and accelerated video.  ACPI sucks but the newer kernel is a lot faster than 2.6.24 Apr 23 02:56
twitter cleaning up my xorg.conf fixed things.  It might work out of the box for Lenny by now. Apr 23 02:57
twitter it’s sad to hear about Lenovo FUD for gnu/linux Apr 23 02:58
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twitter wow, oh wow, the whole damn Gates deposition.  http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/i… Apr 23 04:13
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twitter spam protection is not working tonight.  1+9 = 10 where I come from Apr 23 04:54
twitter M$ is happy enough to “support” an eight year old piece of software that runs poorly – Windows XP.  Eight years, six of which were wasted on the Vista failure.  I would hope that most Mac based businesses have upgraded to Open Office.  Because Open Office is free software, it runs well on most modern processors, including the “ancient” Power PC, ARM,  MIPS and other more power efficient hardware.  Because Open Office is free softwar Apr 23 04:54
twitter belongs here http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/… Apr 23 04:54
_air i’m learning trolling Apr 23 04:57
twitter who’s teaching you? Apr 23 05:04
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_air oh, it’s me mostly Apr 23 05:08
_air but i learn from the people that try to troll me Apr 23 05:09
_air top trolling is when you can get most of the channel banned and you’re still there without having to ban evade XD Apr 23 05:10
twitter please find something better to do Apr 23 05:18
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schestowitz Damn. the math plugins is not working again? Apr 23 07:22
schestowitz It’s giving a hard time to some others Apr 23 07:22
schestowitz Maybe some bug :–( Apr 23 07:22
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schestowitz Apple report sliding Mac sales Apr 23 07:28
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schestowitz Intel to be fined for its many known crimes (or just a few of them), finally. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2… Apr 23 07:53
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schestowitz Freddie Mac CFO David Kellerman Found Dead in Apparent Suicide < http://www.huliq.com/3257/80021/freddie-mac-c… > Apr 23 09:05
schestowitz Freddie Mac suicise: Just wait until they find out WHY he killed himself and what he had to hide. Apr 23 09:06
schestowitz http://www.topix.net/us/2009/04/freddie… “glad to hear it. :) now lets hope george bush does the same thing. “ Apr 23 09:07
schestowitz Don’t let Microsoft lock Linux out of the Internet (using TPM): http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/23/bill… Apr 23 09:08
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MinceR j0 Apr 23 09:12
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schestowitz MinceR: they are falling like flies Apr 23 09:15
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schestowitz “Adolf Merckle, one of the world’s richest men, committed suicide yesterday by throwing himself under a train, Bloomberg reports.” http://radian.org/notebook/porsche Apr 23 09:17
schestowitz World of crooks is hopefully passing by… by their OWN choice Apr 23 09:17
schestowitz “Using Dead People  [...]  That is how Christine Gregoire was elected as Governor of Washington State. It only makes sense that Microsoft in Redmond would follow suit.” Really…? http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story… Apr 23 09:19
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schestowitz Newspapers can’t quite compete in the Web: http://www.paidcontent.org/entry… (Online-Only Seattle P-I No Longer On Top 30 Newspaper Sites; Hearst Disputes Nielsen Numbers) Apr 23 09:29
schestowitz Stocholm: [Fwd: Looking at http://bit.ly/b3h6J . Is it really true that patent statements for ODF only covers full impl. but also partial impl. for OOXML?] http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Plan… The MS shills are busy Apr 23 09:35
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schestowitz “A guy running for office in British Columbia, Canada, has dropped out of the election after images of him groping a woman’s breast (that first appeared on his Facebook page) came to light.” http://techdirt.com/articles/… Apr 23 09:39
schestowitz Tom Bray is pessimistic about Oracle buying his employer (his wife got sacked from Sun) http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/Wh… Apr 23 09:46
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schestowitz Monty Widenius, MySQL Founder, Forecasts the MySQL Future http://ostatic.com/blog/monty-w… http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/04… Apr 23 10:07
schestowitz “Sun’s acquisition of MySQL did not go smoothly; most of the MySQL leaders (both commercial and project) have left Sun and the people who are left are sitting with their CV and ready to press send. Oracle, not having the best possible reputation in the open source space, will have a hard time keeping the remaining MySQL people in the company or even working on the MySQL project.” Apr 23 10:09
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schestowitz It’s beginning to seem likely that Microsoft will announce more layoffs today Apr 23 10:22
schestowitz I’ll do a post with evidence Apr 23 10:22
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benJIman Why don’t you just wait and see? Apr 23 10:23
schestowitz benJIman: that’ll be common knowledge if/when that happens Apr 23 10:24
benJIman And what is served by idle speculation in the meantime? Apr 23 10:28
PetoKraus journo Apr 23 10:29
schestowitz Microsoft does not deny that more layoffs will be announced today: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/23/mic… Apr 23 10:39
oiaohm Any signs of MS profits yet. Apr 23 10:39
oiaohm Most likely I will have to wait to friday to see the numbers. Apr 23 10:40
oiaohm Looks the the auto join system is under control schestowitz. Apr 23 10:43
schestowitz Yes Apr 23 10:43
oiaohm I check back on that one .net blog tommore.  I think he should have run out of wiggle room.  Pulling up the 70 useful with 30 percent waste code was a nice joke thinking that pgroup and msvc has added systems to avoid that. Apr 23 10:44
schestowitz The BBC is up to propaganda again: “The BBC gave massive coverage to these innocent mens’ arrest and Gordon Brown’s and Jacqui Smith’s lying statements about them. The real story is the concoction of huge terror scares by politicians for propaganda purposes. But you won’t see it on the BBC.” http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi… Apr 23 10:47
schestowitz When Eric Balir worked for them he complained that they did propaganda Apr 23 10:47
_air lol Apr 23 10:48
_air schestowitz, isn’t it kinda obvious? Apr 23 10:48
_air radio and tv ARE propaganda Apr 23 10:48
oiaohm Depends on what tv and radio you watch _air Apr 23 10:48
_air not of free and open source Apr 23 10:48
_air oiaohm, point me to sane radio and tv? Apr 23 10:49
_air i don’t listen to radio and don’t watch tv for a LONG TIME already Apr 23 10:49
oiaohm We have a warped channel here that just displays sat feed of weather and plays classical music. Apr 23 10:50
_air lol Apr 23 10:50
_air it sounds sane XD Apr 23 10:50
schestowitz Obama is working for Uncle Tom, not Sam, as Nader put it: Biden promises ‘right person’ as new U.S. copyright czar < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-1022468… > Apr 23 10:51
PetoKraus depends who does the forecast Apr 23 10:51
oiaohm No forecast. Apr 23 10:51
oiaohm Just the raw sat picture. Apr 23 10:51
_air PetoKraus, isn’t it always like that? Apr 23 10:51
_air i just prefer smth sane Apr 23 10:51
schestowitz _air: agreed. I know about public broadcast Apr 23 10:51
schestowitz RMS said wisely some years ago that people should just tune in to blogs their trust Apr 23 10:52
oiaohm No people need to learn to use there brains. Apr 23 10:52
_air lol… you can’t trust anything nowadays Apr 23 10:52
oiaohm Most PR breaks logic. Apr 23 10:52
oiaohm At some point. Apr 23 10:52
ushimitsudoki1 Jesus, Nader is a right racist bastard. I don’t agree with Obama and Biden on this or all the RIAA appointments and other things, but leave the “Uncle Tom” out of it. That’s straight up racism and degrades the conversation. Apr 23 10:52
_air don’t touch jesus Apr 23 10:52
_air he will return to judge people Apr 23 10:53
schestowitz EPO are ‘pigs’: http://www.commondreams.org/head… Apr 23 10:53
_air until that time why do you mention him at all without reason? Apr 23 10:53
PetoKraus ushimitsudoki1: where? Apr 23 10:53
schestowitz ushimitsudoki1: who is Tom? Apr 23 10:53
schestowitz I never got the reference. Apr 23 10:53
ushimitsudoki1 nader called obama an Uncle Tom before and it comes up again here. That’s really poor taste, I think. Apr 23 10:54
schestowitz ushimitsudoki1: who is Tom? Apr 23 10:54
schestowitz What does that mean? Apr 23 10:54
ushimitsudoki1 Uncle Tom is a literary character, a “house slave”. It indicates a black man that has sold out his own race, and is clear racism to Americans. Apr 23 10:54
schestowitz The FOX crapola daemonised nader by taking it out of context as I understand it Apr 23 10:54
schestowitz ushimitsudoki1: OH! Apr 23 10:55
schestowitz Not good.. Apr 23 10:55
ushimitsudoki1 Uncle Tom’s Cabin is the novel. It was in *very* poor taste for Nader to use it a reference. If not straight racism, it was incredibly insensitive on Nader’s part. Apr 23 10:55
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schestowitz ushimitsudoki1: understood now Apr 23 10:55
schestowitz I though Tom was a reference to corporations Apr 23 10:55
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ushimitsudoki1 Obama/Biden need strong criticism on a lot of these appointments – it’s very disappointing (if not surprising), but the “uncle tom” thing won’t help Apr 23 10:56
_air lol Apr 23 10:57
ushimitsudoki1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom … first sentence in wiki pretty much covers the literary allusion Apr 23 10:57
_air obama… he’s just yet another doll Apr 23 10:57
_air he just exclaims smth that someone else wants Apr 23 10:58
_air go for that someone else? Apr 23 10:58
_air why are you always at the surface Apr 23 10:59
schestowitz Ewwwwwwww.. tasteless… European government with ALL FLASH SITE! http://www.echr.coe.int/50/en/#home Apr 23 10:59
oiaohm Could be worse. Apr 23 10:59
oiaohm Could require IE. Apr 23 10:59
*schestowitz looks at the Wiki Apr 23 11:01
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schestowitz U.K. Man Sues Bank Over ‘Phantom’ Withdrawals from Chip-and-PIN Account < http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2… > Apr 23 11:01
schestowitz Mac Users Prefer Linux Over Windows: http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry4272.html Apr 23 11:02
oiaohm That is kinda to be expected. Apr 23 11:06
oiaohm Thinking some linux confernece the most common laptop at a mac. Apr 23 11:06
ushimitsudoki1 Yeah, there are a few mac laptops at my LUG Apr 23 11:10
schestowitz What on Earth is the Open Source World Map For? < http://www.computerworlduk.com/communi… > See Microsoft’s Linux Heat Map http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/… Apr 23 11:10
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schestowitz PetoKraus: Phorm Says ISP Trialists Not Looking To Defect < http://www.paidcontent.co.uk/entr… >  Virgin is on record as being on the fence. Despite being one of three ISPs to sign its initial interest, CEO Neil Berkett told a November investors’ conference in New York… Apr 23 11:18
oiaohm http://ostatic.com/blog/steve-ballmer-s…  Let the database war begin. Apr 23 11:23
PetoKraus schestowitz: nice Apr 23 11:28
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oiaohm Hmm Just having looking at ms dec fiances. Apr 23 11:31
oiaohm Goodwill12,490,000  as a asset. Apr 23 11:31
oiaohm Not a good thing. Apr 23 11:31
zer0c00l Microsofts history of anti-competitive behaviour: http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversi… Apr 23 11:32
zer0c00l http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s… Apr 23 11:32
zer0c00l schestowitz, seems like there are lot of evidence in that document Apr 23 11:33
zer0c00l What we are trying to do is use our server control to do new protocols and lock Apr 23 11:35
zer0c00l out Sun and Oracle specifically” Apr 23 11:35
zer0c00l        — Bill Gates, Microsoft Apr 23 11:35
oiaohm Yep Apr 23 11:35
oiaohm Sun and Oracle have kinda blood vengance for MS. Apr 23 11:36
schestowitz zer0c00l: yes, Microsoft is a gangster operation Apr 23 11:36
schestowitz And the ring leader gates is as guilty not as a puppy Apr 23 11:36
zer0c00l Today i came to know that ms has threatened my educational head on licensing issue Apr 23 11:37
zer0c00l my head of the department told me personally Apr 23 11:37
schestowitz oiaohm: watch picture: http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2009… Apr 23 11:38
zer0c00l they threatened of lock down the whole educational institution Apr 23 11:38
zer0c00l so they agreed and signed a MOU with ms Apr 23 11:38
schestowitz Wow. Apr 23 11:38
schestowitz Which educational head Apr 23 11:38
schestowitz Regional? Apr 23 11:38
zer0c00l my college Apr 23 11:38
schestowitz Ha Apr 23 11:38
schestowitz Do you have written proof? Apr 23 11:39
schestowitz It can be anonymised Apr 23 11:39
schestowitz And be pass to the European Commission Apr 23 11:39
schestowitz They have fined to serve the criminals from Intel shortly. Apr 23 11:39
zer0c00l schestowitz, i dont have any written proof Apr 23 11:39
zer0c00l will try to get one Apr 23 11:39
zer0c00l but he said in our valedictory  function Apr 23 11:40
schestowitz Try getting proof Apr 23 11:40
zer0c00l “if you won’t buy 200 license we will engage anti-piracy operations on your institution “ Apr 23 11:40
zer0c00l ok Apr 23 11:40
zer0c00l sure i will Apr 23 11:41
schestowitz Word of mouth is good, but it’s better to show something. Apr 23 11:41
schestowitz zer0c00l: that is extortion Apr 23 11:41
schestowitz It’s illegal Apr 23 11:41
schestowitz And it’s very typical Apr 23 11:41
schestowitz I heard it before. Apr 23 11:41
zer0c00l hmm Apr 23 11:41
zer0c00l bad ms Apr 23 11:41
schestowitz Anything else you were told? Apr 23 11:42
zer0c00l no Apr 23 11:42
zer0c00l i will try to collect for sure Apr 23 11:42
zer0c00l i raised a question regarding the software usage, Apr 23 11:42
zer0c00l so he replied back with these answers Apr 23 11:43
zer0c00l he said we were forced Apr 23 11:43
oiaohm IBM and Oracle are going to get into a little bit of a fight soon. Apr 23 11:43
schestowitz Was there illegal use/copies? Apr 23 11:43
zer0c00l no Apr 23 11:43
schestowitz I mean, typically there is. Apr 23 11:43
schestowitz In certain nations it’s common Apr 23 11:43
oiaohm MS is kinda going to find themselves in the middle. Apr 23 11:43
zer0c00l they are now using some volume licensing Apr 23 11:43
schestowitz And Microsoft has publicly endorses counterfeiting, so long as people move to another OS Apr 23 11:43
schestowitz oiaohm: IBM has already manage a new migration route to DB2 Apr 23 11:44
schestowitz So they don’t stand idly. Apr 23 11:44
oiaohm postgresql vs Mysql Apr 23 11:44
zer0c00l they paying ms some 1 million yearly Apr 23 11:44
oiaohm db2 vs orcale. Apr 23 11:44
oiaohm Let the war being. Last one standing. Apr 23 11:44
oiaohm Both now make there own servers. Apr 23 11:45
oiaohm We have not see a hardware maker face off in a long time. Apr 23 11:45
schestowitz zer0c00l: for how many licences/people? Apr 23 11:47
oiaohm The fun part by the end of it.  Either IBM will aquire Orcale or Orcale will aquire IBM or a draw. Apr 23 11:47
zer0c00l atleast there will be  some 800  computers in the college Apr 23 11:48
schestowitz oiaohm: their market cap isn’t far apart Apr 23 11:48
zer0c00l they have only 200 licenses Apr 23 11:48
schestowitz 1 million for 1000 PCs? Apr 23 11:48
zer0c00l office, visual studio Apr 23 11:48
zer0c00l it includes Apr 23 11:48
schestowitz Extra addictives :-) Apr 23 11:49
schestowitz Get kids to program /for/ Microsoft Apr 23 11:49
zer0c00l schestowitz, yes thats the plan Apr 23 11:49
schestowitz And lock their data inside the OOXML capsule that only Microsoft Office can open when they grow up Apr 23 11:49
oiaohm I have found ms will get quite cheep when you say in a school envorment MS has 2 options 1 software for nothing 2 Linux gets installed everywhere. Apr 23 11:49
schestowitz zer0c00l: nice company… Apr 23 11:49
zer0c00l :( Apr 23 11:49
zer0c00l schestowitz, but the professor has now poised to change the system Apr 23 11:50
oiaohm Most times MS chooses the cheap licences. Apr 23 11:50
oiaohm Be away of MS other licencing system.  Per student zer0c00l Apr 23 11:50
zer0c00l he asked me to install GNU/linux in each and every systems Apr 23 11:50
oiaohm aware Apr 23 11:50
zer0c00l i have installed 200 systems so far Apr 23 11:50
zer0c00l just dual booting it Apr 23 11:50
oiaohm Yep that normal MS threat. Apr 23 11:50
oiaohm See we have linux here. Apr 23 11:51
schestowitz oiaohm: yes Apr 23 11:51
zer0c00l :) Apr 23 11:51
schestowitz oiaohm: let me find ref Apr 23 11:51
schestowitz That I found this morning. Apr 23 11:51
schestowitz “Linux club helps firms hide from Microsoft” Apr 23 11:51
schestowitz “Local authorities and companies who are interested in ditching their proprietary software in favour of open source are being encouraged to join a confidential scheme that aims to protect them from the attentions of firms such as Microsoft.” Apr 23 11:51
schestowitz “The initiative, called The Incubator Club, is said to be a response to the tactics employed by some major software vendors against firms and organisations who consider using Linux.” Apr 23 11:52
schestowitz “According to Eddie Bleasdale of Netproject, an IT consultancy firm that runs The Incubator Club, Microsoft has repeatedly tried to stop potential Linux migrations — sometimes with notable success.” Apr 23 11:52
schestowitz ““Whenever we’ve gone public about a client moving to Linux, Microsoft has come in and offered remarkable incentives for them to stay as they are,” Bleasdale told the Open Source in Local Government conference in London on Tuesday. “ Apr 23 11:52
oiaohm Per student licencing gets very stupid. Apr 23 11:52
schestowitz Source: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,… Apr 23 11:52
schestowitz But in this latest case it’s extortion Apr 23 11:52
schestowitz “Pay us for all machines or we sue you” Apr 23 11:52
schestowitz Microsoft uses patents too now Apr 23 11:52
zer0c00l schestowitz, yes Apr 23 11:52
schestowitz The vague patent threats Apr 23 11:52
oiaohm School with Per student has to pay like 25 dollars per student and you can install as many copies of the software you like. Apr 23 11:52
oiaohm So much for anti pirate. Apr 23 11:53
schestowitz So even if you don’t have any licensing issues (with Windows) they’ll raise Linux-patents issues Apr 23 11:53
schestowitz Seen before Apr 23 11:53
schestowitz They use it against large companies Apr 23 11:53
schestowitz Horacio spoke about it in 2007 Apr 23 11:53
schestowitz The companies don’t want to identify themselves Apr 23 11:53
schestowitz Those that sell out, that is. Apr 23 11:53
oiaohm Lot of large companies threaten back. Apr 23 11:53
oiaohm Its the smaller companies it works on. Apr 23 11:54
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schestowitz oiaohm: maybe some companies won’t bother fighting back Apr 23 11:54
schestowitz The idea is to make Linux “Scary” Apr 23 11:54
oiaohm Most large companies have large patents. Apr 23 11:54
schestowitz So they won’t want the trouble and just be swayed into Linux Apr 23 11:54
schestowitz That’s Allison’s thesis (or was it gpl-violations’) about TomTom Apr 23 11:54
oiaohm Reason why they hit back they take the point of view MS might anyhow. Apr 23 11:54
oiaohm For invalid software installs. Apr 23 11:55
oiaohm So they extract extra moment. Apr 23 11:55
schestowitz Try to scare device makers who use Linux and don’t want to encouter difficulties Apr 23 11:55
oiaohm MS only try to scare weak looking device makers. Apr 23 11:56
oiaohm Once that look to have good cash reserves they don’t touch. Apr 23 11:56
schestowitz Layoffs mentioned in mini-msft now: http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/04/… Apr 23 11:56
schestowitz oiaohm: yes, TomTom reported bad financial results days before MS sued over FAT Apr 23 11:56
schestowitz No coincidence IMHO Apr 23 11:56
schestowitz They use a vulnerable and demoralised company at times when investors put pressure Apr 23 11:57
schestowitz And OIN has not struck back like it promise Apr 23 11:57
schestowitz So Microsoft is now going around secretly collecting protection money, saying that TomTom paid, therefore there is no mdeniability Apr 23 11:57
schestowitz *deniability Apr 23 11:57
oiaohm There has been a lot of other things going on. Apr 23 11:58
oiaohm OIN has been sitting back and watching.   Lot of .net supporting companies having been jumping ship. Apr 23 11:59
schestowitz oiaohm: how is this related? Apr 23 11:59
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oiaohm The patent attack on TomTom proved MS patent promise is not worth spit. Apr 23 12:00
oiaohm So particular .net companies are looking for other solutions like blender. Apr 23 12:00
oiaohm OIN winning against MS might slow that down. Apr 23 12:00
oiaohm Yes sometimes it pays to sit back and do nothing and let nature happen. Apr 23 12:01
oiaohm I really would hate to be in the OIN chair right now trying to pick the best move. Apr 23 12:02
MinceR it happens too slowly Apr 23 12:02
MinceR m$ should be killed quickly. Apr 23 12:02
oiaohm Patent attacking MS now would not be sure to kill them quickly either. Apr 23 12:02
oiaohm They have enough money still to draw it out. Apr 23 12:02
oiaohm Yet there money reports say they are in a down wards spirle. Apr 23 12:03
oiaohm Rule of business if a tactic has worked well copy it. Apr 23 12:03
schestowitz brb Apr 23 12:04
oiaohm MinceR: the hard thing is picking the right point to hit MS at its weakest. Apr 23 12:05
oiaohm Great MS is delaying it must not be good.  After the close of trade they will release the 3Q. Apr 23 12:08
oiaohm If its good you normally release it at the start of trade to make stock trade high. Apr 23 12:08
schestowitz oiaohm:  I don’t agree Apr 23 12:09
schestowitz Also, Ubuntu 9.04 has just been officially release Apr 23 12:09
schestowitz Microsoft will do more damage unless it’s clipped now Apr 23 12:09
schestowitz European Commission need to intervene too Apr 23 12:10
schestowitz For all I can gather, Microsoft is now more aggressive then ever Apr 23 12:10
schestowitz See how it poisoned the EU panel with its shull Suck Apr 23 12:10
oiaohm Why are they more aggressive. Apr 23 12:10
MinceR oiaohm: while we wait for that, why not keep hitting them? Apr 23 12:10
schestowitz *Shill Zuck, not Shull Suck Apr 23 12:10
schestowitz I hit the wrong keys Apr 23 12:10
MinceR Shall Suck? Apr 23 12:10
schestowitz probably :-) Apr 23 12:11
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