04.28.09
IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 27th, 2009 – Part 3
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| schestowitz | Not the first time, either | Apr 27 19:28 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah i know | Apr 27 19:28 |
| PetoKraus |  |
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| tessier_ | Higher means using less fuel and producing less pollution. | Apr 27 19:28 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: did you see his post about me? | Apr 27 19:28 |
| PetoKraus | yeah, there was something | Apr 27 19:28 |
| PetoKraus | i didn’t quite get it | Apr 27 19:28 |
| tessier_ | Less oxygen in the air means less fuel you can burn per hour. At least in the non turbine planes I usually fly. | Apr 27 19:29 |
| PetoKraus | ah | Apr 27 19:29 |
| PetoKraus | yeah | Apr 27 19:29 |
| PetoKraus | mono | Apr 27 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | ye | Apr 27 19:29 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes, we burn up fossils |
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| schestowitz | How about a solar airplane? I kid…. | Apr 27 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Works well for satellites though. One you use up rockets to get them intstalled up there in orbit | Apr 27 19:30 |
| PetoKraus | well they don’t burn that much energy | Apr 27 19:31 |
| PetoKraus | almost nothing on propulsion…. | Apr 27 19:32 |
| tessier_ | Satellites use hydrazine for propulsion usually. VERY nasty stuff. The solar panels are only to power computers, transmitters, etc. | Apr 27 19:33 |
| tessier_ | Solar powered airplane is being worked on but will never work for high performance/airliner type applications. Even if the solar panels were 100% efficient on a bright sunny day they wouldn’t make a dent in the energy needs of the airplane. | Apr 27 19:33 |
| tessier_ | Solar powered plane is good for glider-like drones and reconnaissance planes and perhaps most importantly communication relays. | Apr 27 19:34 |
| schestowitz | This one smells like Microsoft publicity stunt: http://www.fmtech.co.za/?p=11222 | Apr 27 19:35 |
| schestowitz | They used such stunts in the UK | Apr 27 19:36 |
| schestowitz | tessier: they can maybe get just part of the power from the sun, but just negligible amounts incertain weather | Apr 27 19:37 |
| schestowitz | They say it takes more energy yo produce panels than they’ll ever produce in their operative lifetime | Apr 27 19:37 |
| trmanco | wow | Apr 27 19:39 |
| trmanco | OOo presentation really had some good improvements | Apr 27 19:39 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: Not sure about the energy thing. The cost of the energy used has to be figured into the purchase price of the solar panels otherwise the company making them is losing money. | Apr 27 19:39 |
| trmanco | Impress* | Apr 27 19:40 |
| tessier_ | So if the solar panel can produce enough energy to pay for itself and then some you are ahead and it was good for the environment as far as energy/carbon goes. | Apr 27 19:40 |
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| schestowitz | This one’s pretty nice: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/04/22/play-cla… | Apr 27 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | Sierra used to make good games | Apr 27 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | they’ve kind of backed away from that | Apr 27 19:44 |
| schestowitz | tessier: same for Ethanol energy, says Stallman | Apr 27 19:44 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, major lift | Apr 27 19:44 |
| schestowitz | in 3.1 (out any moment) | Apr 27 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | I’ve noticed the proprietary software industry all has one thing in common | Apr 27 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | revising what they already sold you by 5-10% and selling it to you again for full price | Apr 27 19:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: back from that? | Apr 27 19:45 |
| schestowitz | They’re dead | Apr 27 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Sierra-> Sierra Online> RIP | Apr 27 19:45 |
| schestowitz | I grew up on their games | Apr 27 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | they had ohhhhh….what was that? | Apr 27 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | the one where you were some paranormal SWAT agent killing possessed marines in some kind of CIA psyops thing | Apr 27 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | uhhhhh | Apr 27 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | help me out here? | Apr 27 19:46 |
| schestowitz | There’s info ont eh Web | Apr 27 19:46 |
| schestowitz | They gave the sound away | Apr 27 19:46 |
| schestowitz | I have LOADS of Sierra soundtracks on my HDDs | Apr 27 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | I beat that game, there’s a sequel | Apr 27 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | but that’s their only really good franchise this decade  |
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| schestowitz | Iceman? | Apr 27 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | no | Apr 27 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Which year? | Apr 27 19:47 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: Is RMS a fan of ethanol energy or no? | Apr 27 19:47 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 27 19:47 |
| schestowitz | He says it’s better to feed people | Apr 27 19:47 |
| tessier_ | I see. Me neither. | Apr 27 19:47 |
| tessier_ | I agree. | Apr 27 19:47 |
| schestowitz | The US could feed the whole world | Apr 27 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Gates invests in ethanol. | Apr 27 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | the name is escaping me | Apr 27 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | but that was a good game | Apr 27 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Gates also invests in companies that capitalise on death and disease | Apr 27 19:47 |
| tessier_ | I don’t know about the whole world but a large part of it. Unfortunately there are economic and logistical issues in the way. | Apr 27 19:47 |
| schestowitz | And governments too | Apr 27 19:47 |
| schestowitz | If you bring more food to the hungry they might just deliver more babies | Apr 27 19:48 |
| schestowitz | That’s what the scientists say | Apr 27 19:48 |
| tessier_ | They have little incentive not to. | Apr 27 19:48 |
| tessier_ | Need to get the whole world educated and give people careers. | Apr 27 19:49 |
| tessier_ | In most parts of the world your children are your retirement plan. | Apr 27 19:49 |
| tessier_ | And you need for or five of them at least to support you. It’s like a giant ever growing ponzi scheme. | Apr 27 19:49 |
| tessier_ | I have a friend in Mexico with 16 brothers and sisters. | Apr 27 19:49 |
| tessier_ | It’s a mess. | Apr 27 19:49 |
| schestowitz | The US could contain a population of 2 billion, I reckon | Apr 27 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | FEAR | Apr 27 19:49 |
| tessier_ | I hope it never does. | Apr 27 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | that’s it! | Apr 27 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.E.A.R. | Apr 27 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | I really hope that doesn’t happen | Apr 27 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | the planning and infrastructure here isn’t good enough | Apr 27 19:50 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I didn’t play it | Apr 27 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | you have some cities with populations more than some states | Apr 27 19:50 |
| tessier_ | DaemonFC: Sadly, the planning and infrastructure here are better than most places in the world. | Apr 27 19:51 |
| tessier_ | My wife (moved here from Vietnam two years ago) still marvels. | Apr 27 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | the city of Los Angeles, California has about 8 million people, and about 16 million if you count the suburb areas | Apr 27 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | the state of Indiana has about 6.5 million | Apr 27 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | the whole state! | Apr 27 19:51 |
| tessier_ | Indiana is a lot of corn fields. | Apr 27 19:51 |
| tessier_ | Los Angeles is none. | Apr 27 19:51 |
| tessier_ | There’s your difference. | Apr 27 19:51 |
| tessier_ | My whole family lives in Indiana and I will visit there again this June or July. | Apr 27 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | Wisconsin has about 680,000 people | Apr 27 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | less than 1 /12th the population of the largest city in the US | Apr 27 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Novell could make Linux more like Windows to make patent liabilities (Novell has ‘IP’) | Apr 27 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | maybe their own Linux distribution | Apr 27 19:52 |
| tessier_ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/nqt_bi… | Apr 27 19:53 |
| tessier_ | My wife in Indiana | Apr 27 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | but that would only make them liable for their own infringements | Apr 27 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | unless someone else is stupid enough to distribute that | Apr 27 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | I have my doubts about whether Microsoft could sue and win anything over Mono | Apr 27 19:53 |
| schestowitz | tessier: tall corn |
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| DaemonFC | and I think they do too | Apr 27 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | or they would have sued | Apr 27 19:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no need to sue | Apr 27 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Extort | Apr 27 19:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no, they let it be absorbed fist | Apr 27 19:54 |
| schestowitz | One dependency after another | Apr 27 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | Tomboy, f-spot, banshee in Ubuntu | Apr 27 19:54 |
| zoobabpraha | hello from Praha | Apr 27 19:55 |
| zoobabpraha | EPO conference tomorrow | Apr 27 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Apr 27 19:55 |
| zoobabpraha | exFFII predident speaking there | Apr 27 19:55 |
| zoobabpraha | there was a conference on Patents and SMEs today | Apr 27 19:55 |
| schestowitz | zoobabpraha: who’s there? | Apr 27 19:55 |
| schestowitz | For the IPorgy? | Apr 27 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I found that if Vista is swallowing your free disk space, it’s almost always cause of System Restore | Apr 27 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | and you have to use the command line to restrict the space it uses | Apr 27 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | else it takes 15% of the disk | Apr 27 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | so by default it would reserve 75 gigs of my 500 gig drive | Apr 27 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | even though 2 gigs is enough to make 4-6 restore points | Apr 27 19:57 |
| schestowitz | In Mandriva it’s disabled by default | Apr 27 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Auto-backups | Apr 27 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | by default, Vista takes enough to make between 200-500 restore points | Apr 27 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | which is just ridiculous | Apr 27 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | 75 gigs is a lot of disk space, but to Vista it’s spare change |
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| DaemonFC | if you get a TB disk, it would reserve 150 gigs | Apr 27 19:59 |
| schestowitz | I ahrdly use my disk space | Apr 27 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | cause there is no cap | Apr 27 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | Just culmulateive backups on externals | Apr 27 19:59 |
| schestowitz | *cumulative | Apr 27 19:59 |
| trmanco | http://weblog.savanne.be/153-perf… | Apr 27 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | System Restore on Vista is like a seat belt in a Ford Pinto | Apr 27 19:59 |
| zoobabpraha | Alberto is going to speak tomorrow | Apr 27 19:59 |
| trmanco | did you vacuum you’re firefox? | Apr 27 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | turning it off removes what little protections Vista gives you | Apr 27 19:59 |
| zoobabpraha | google for Patinnova | Apr 27 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I know why Microsoft did it | Apr 27 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | pretty sure it was to punish people that prefer sector by sector imaging of the volume | Apr 27 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | and to spur sales of larger hard disks than people need | Apr 27 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | you can still use something like NTI Backupnow if you turn off System Restore before using it | Apr 27 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | and let it purge the restore points | Apr 27 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | otherwise you’ll need about 20 extra DVDs for all the volume shadow crap | Apr 27 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 27 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I figure at some point Microsoft will simply refuse to reactivate older copies of Windows that are out of mainline support | Apr 27 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | so doing sector backups are probably the only way to guard against that | Apr 27 20:06 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: is AlbertoB president? | Apr 27 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | Windows will be trivial to pirate as long as they leave back doors for mass activation for big OEMs | Apr 27 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | so I wish they’d jsut knock this crap off already |
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| schestowitz | They make it easy | Apr 27 20:07 |
| schestowitz | On purpose | Apr 27 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Provided it reached only those who would not pay anyway | Apr 27 20:07 |
| schestowitz | They admit this | Apr 27 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | all you have to do is hex edit your BIOS with like 2 lines added to the ACPI section | Apr 27 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Windows licence is like an airline ticket | Apr 27 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | I mean how much easier could this state of the art crap be to get past? |
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| schestowitz | It’s better to fly people cheap than to have empty seats | Apr 27 20:08 |
| schestowitz | So Microsoft tries to set the prices such that people pay as much as they are WILLING to pay | Apr 27 20:08 |
| schestowitz | If they won’t pay, Microsoft ensures the street corner has some dodgy guy with 50 cent CDs | Apr 27 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | right, which is why they look away when end users buy “OEM copies” | Apr 27 20:09 |
| schestowitz | The Vista CD, not the rapper |
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| schestowitz | I’d take the music CD | Apr 27 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Vista is a waste of data, but it has a nice design to it (the CD/plastic, not the OS) | Apr 27 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | Well, if you look at XP to Vista, they actually made Vista easier to mass pirate | Apr 27 20:09 |
| schestowitz | “Pirate”? | Apr 27 20:10 |
| schestowitz | copy | Apr 27 20:10 |
| schestowitz | That’s what they want remember | Apr 27 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | because XP made them use a small set of volume license keys and eventually MS could figure out something fishy was happening and ban all of them | Apr 27 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Spread the ’standard’ | Apr 27 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | but with Vista’s OA 2.0 activation, you can use the same key millions of times | Apr 27 20:10 |
| schestowitz | The goal is to spread it, not to accuse people of attacking ships | Apr 27 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | by flashing the BIOS first | Apr 27 20:10 |
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| DaemonFC | and MS can’t tell and if they shut you out, they’d kill off millions of valkid copies | Apr 27 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Hold ob. | Apr 27 20:11 |
| schestowitz | I have something new to show you | Apr 27 20:11 |
| schestowitz | From SJVN | Apr 27 20:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/action/article… | Apr 27 20:11 |
| schestowitz | “It’s funny that some people actually think that anyone is “pirating” Windows 7 betas. It’s clear that Microsoft is deliberately leaking them to build up buzz around the new operating system. Don’t believe me?” | Apr 27 20:11 |
| schestowitz | “Then why does Microsoft give away free authentication keys that will let any copy of Windows 7 work? If the company didn’t want those copies of Windows 7 out there, it wouldn’t do that. This tactic is fairly subtle: By making people work — but not too hard — to get copies of Windows 7, Microsoft is leading them to believe that they’re onto something special.” | Apr 27 20:11 |
| schestowitz | “And since it has been a long, long time since anyone thought there was something special about Windows, this is savvy marketing on Microsoft’s part. “ | Apr 27 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | Well, essentially Vista locks up the front door like Fort Knox | Apr 27 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | but leaves the service entrance wide open | Apr 27 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | Not just for key of activiation | Apr 27 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Also for remote accesss | Apr 27 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Google “CIPAV” for details | Apr 27 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | they have so many services running that ANHYONE could go in and turn off 10-15 they don’t need | Apr 27 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | easily | Apr 27 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | they even still have NetBIOS and modem speakerphone turned on by default | Apr 27 20:13 |
| PetoKraus | http://news.slashdot.org/artic… | Apr 27 20:13 |
| PetoKraus | oh god, he’s nuts | Apr 27 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | I can’t think of a more useless service to have running | Apr 27 20:13 |
| schestowitz | “BillyG noted an RMS” | Apr 27 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Points to Google.com | Apr 27 20:13 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: RMS is right | Apr 27 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I still wonder what nasty things they’ll be doing to make Windows 7 unnecessarily incompatible with Vista | Apr 27 20:14 |
| schestowitz | I didn’t see the article | Apr 27 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | but at the same time making it backwards compatible | Apr 27 20:14 |
| PetoKraus | schestowitz: well i’m reading TFA | Apr 27 20:14 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: he’s totally right | Apr 27 20:14 |
| schestowitz | He concern is freedom | Apr 27 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Snooping is EEEEEEEEEEEASY with SAAS | Apr 27 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Just to to datacentre and access people’s account | Apr 27 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Like mailbox, documents, history, etc. | Apr 27 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Perfect surveillance | Apr 27 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | Well, you had XP running software clear back to Windows 3.0 | Apr 27 20:15 |
| PetoKraus | well that’s true | Apr 27 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | but all of a sudden XP software has problems in Vista and such major problems that 7 is getting its own virtual copy of XP | Apr 27 20:15 |
| schestowitz | It’s a wet dream also to media companies that check what you do, what you listen to, how much you CAN be charged per month, etc. | Apr 27 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Privacy has its reasons | Apr 27 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Constitution likewise | Apr 27 20:16 |
| schestowitz | People learned from mistakes and dangers, then put it in text | Apr 27 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Some are intended to prevent police of corporations taking over the country | Apr 27 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Most of the “security work” in Vista was stuff that had been obviously messed up since at least Windows 98 | Apr 27 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Like when the Reichstag was burned down and the population stopped caring about snoops because it was like a 9/11 experience/ordeal | Apr 27 20:17 |
| schestowitz | They became apathetic to SA/Stasi. Some of those snoops that increase suggest it’s heading the wrong way now | Apr 27 20:17 |
| PetoKraus | hmm | Apr 27 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | the whole way ActiveX was designed to work was to run program code in IE with little more than a signature that anyone could buy for $200 | Apr 27 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Check what just happened in the UK | Apr 27 20:17 |
| PetoKraus | it seems i don’t really know what’s this SAAS thing | Apr 27 20:17 |
| schestowitz | From today’s news… | Apr 27 20:17 |
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| DaemonFC | so now they have to sandbox IE and give the user like 4-5 warning screens to run a plugin | Apr 27 20:17 |
| schestowitz | UK.gov to spend £2bn on ISP tracking < http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… > | Apr 27 20:18 |
| schestowitz | ASLO VOIP!!!!! | Apr 27 20:18 |
| PetoKraus | His point is not to use Google Docs to edit your private documents, and not to use Gmail to send your private mails, or to be more specific – not to let them become a replacement for your office suite and mail client/server. | Apr 27 20:18 |
| schestowitz | So I assume Skype already has back doors/keys for the British police | Apr 27 20:18 |
| schestowitz | The Italian police had no access | Apr 27 20:18 |
| schestowitz | The Austrian/German police is rumoured to have keys | Apr 27 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | I tried Skype recently | Apr 27 20:18 |
| schestowitz | In China they read Skype chat (confirmed by Skype) | Apr 27 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | it’s pretty bad | Apr 27 20:18 |
| schestowitz | In the UK all phonecalls go into hard-drives in a private UK company | Apr 27 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | by bad I mean that it’s jsut another instant messenger that can make calls to phones too | Apr 27 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | just like Yahoo or Windows Live | Apr 27 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Yotrkshite has a base (maybe USian) that copies UK E-mails | Apr 27 20:19 |
| schestowitz | *Yorkshire | Apr 27 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | Echelon/Carnivore | Apr 27 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Apr 27 20:19 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: yes,exactly. That’s what Skype is. | Apr 27 20:19 |
| schestowitz | SIP is the key | Apr 27 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft denies putting backdoors in Vista for the police, but I know they do | Apr 27 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | for a fact | Apr 27 20:20 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: NOPE | Apr 27 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft admitted this | Apr 27 20:20 |
| schestowitz | With Gartner | Apr 27 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | because a police detective showed me a decryption device Microsoft sells to the police | Apr 27 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Show me where LiarsofRemind(R) deny thios | Apr 27 20:20 |
| schestowitz | They call it COFEE | Apr 27 20:20 |
| schestowitz | IIRC | Apr 27 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | that will make your encrypted volume sing like Tweety Bird | Apr 27 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Stands for something | Apr 27 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Police gets USB keys to bypass all protections | Apr 27 20:20 |
| schestowitz | BitKeeper too | Apr 27 20:20 |
| schestowitz | And Scoble the idiot attacked me for saying this | Apr 27 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Although later it turned out to be TRUE | Apr 27 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I have an iron key | Apr 27 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | if they try to tamper with it, it will destroy itself | Apr 27 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Scoble lives in Tellytubby land of Redmond | Apr 27 20:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: the issue is this: | Apr 27 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | brute force attack probably won’t work if the key destroys itself after 3 wrong guesses in a row | Apr 27 20:22 |
| schestowitz | As Schneier pointed out at the time, crackers will get hold of these keys | Apr 27 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Some cop will lose one | Apr 27 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Or might even sell one and pretend to have lost it | Apr 27 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | unless they happen to guess my password with 3 tries | Apr 27 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt that | Apr 27 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Then they can make copies of those keys | Apr 27 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Which is just why Microsoft is mentally incompetent | Apr 27 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Sending around key to exploit the back doors it itself created | Apr 27 20:22 |
| schestowitz | They can also intrude remotelyt | Apr 27 20:23 |
| schestowitz | No need for key | Apr 27 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft tells the police to take all your USB keys too | Apr 27 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | if they seize your system | Apr 27 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Needless to say, they won’t like Linux distro all that much | Apr 27 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | and SD cards and such | Apr 27 20:23 |
| schestowitz | In Boston, you’re a suyspected criminal for having a CLI on the screen | Apr 27 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed | Apr 27 20:23 |
| schestowitz | RMS wrote about it | Apr 27 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | and what’s funny is that this could have been the command line in Windows | Apr 27 20:24 |
| PetoKraus | schestowitz: it depends what uni | Apr 27 20:24 |
| PetoKraus |  |
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| schestowitz | Something like, “I suspect he was using GNU/Linux” | Apr 27 20:24 |
| schestowitz | When the Boycott Novell protest hit India RMS was impressed | Apr 27 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | the EFF wrote about that | Apr 27 20:24 |
| schestowitz | He said it was the first time a Free software protest that’s friendly BTW was met with forceful resistance from the police | Apr 27 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | of course it was | Apr 27 20:25 |
| PetoKraus | “When one article called me the “father of open source”, I responded that if I am, it was conceived via artificial insemination using purloined sperm. “ | Apr 27 20:25 |
| PetoKraus | +++++ | Apr 27 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | the last thing India wants to lose is all the jobs MS is sending from developed nations to them | Apr 27 20:25 |
| schestowitz | And recently we had Greenpeace activists here attacked by the police proactively for daring to protest against a multinational | Apr 27 20:25 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Vista7 is made in Bangalore | Apr 27 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Palm outsourced to Bangalore too | Apr 27 20:26 |
| schestowitz | PalmOne whetever.. | Apr 27 20:26 |
| schestowitz | I post interviews about it these days in BN links (daily) | Apr 27 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Those DirectShow Xiph codecs work on Vista | Apr 27 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | I’m playing some FLAC in Windows Media Player |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: that RMS interview (Stallman discusses Free Software and GPLv3 < http://broadcast.oreilly.com/20… > ) is old. I saw it before. | Apr 27 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds like some “BillyG” from /. is trying to flame people against RMS | Apr 27 20:31 |
| PetoKraus | yeah, it’s 2 weeks | Apr 27 20:31 |
| *schestowitz never used FLAC | Apr 27 20:31 | |
| PetoKraus | the summary was quite poorly written | Apr 27 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Don’t give me flack | Apr 27 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://img525.imageshack.us/img… | Apr 27 20:31 |
| PetoKraus | OOOH BURNS MY EYES | Apr 27 20:31 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it’s VistaXP | Apr 27 20:32 |
| schestowitz | XP start menu made a circle | Apr 27 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | |
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| schestowitz | New icons on desktop | Apr 27 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Dark theme for that useless long thing (panel) Winders has | Apr 27 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Scrollbars still VERY ugly | Apr 27 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Same as XP’s | Apr 27 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Almost | Apr 27 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Panel looks like KDE4 | Apr 27 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Panel looks like KDE4’s | Apr 27 20:33 |
| schestowitz | But KDE4 beat them to it | Apr 27 20:33 |
| schestowitz | 2007 | Apr 27 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://img525.imageshack.us/img… | Apr 27 20:34 |
| *schestowitz saw XP totally crashing today. Spontaneous combustion. | Apr 27 20:34 | |
| DaemonFC | overclocked | Apr 27 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | |
Apr 27 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Oh, so it’s Vista | Apr 27 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm | Apr 27 20:34 |
| schestowitz | “Windoiws is activated” LOL | Apr 27 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | it is too | Apr 27 20:35 |
| schestowitz | What does that even mean? | Apr 27 20:35 |
| schestowitz | “Shields on, Captain” | Apr 27 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | it’s activated |
Apr 27 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Voyage begins into “ask for Genuine” | Apr 27 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | it will stay that way too | Apr 27 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | I just love Vista. It makes Windows look sooo retarded | Apr 27 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | CD Burner XP to compensate for the still-minimal disc burning Windows has | Apr 27 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | |
Apr 27 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | meh, XP was much uglier | Apr 27 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | at least Vista doesn’t have the Bozo The Clown theme | Apr 27 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | you’d think that for $400 it could burn an ISO | Apr 27 20:38 |
| schestowitz | XP can be rethemed | Apr 27 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | but it still needs third party software |
Apr 27 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Same with GNU/Linux | Apr 27 20:38 |
| schestowitz | My desktop is dark Qt | Apr 27 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Well, Pirillo et al squeal like bats at the mere sight of Vista. It has them ditch Windows. | Apr 27 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Apple’s defaults themes are nice | Apr 27 20:38 |
| schestowitz | But looks are skin deep | Apr 27 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Third Party = not Microsoft, not invented here | Apr 27 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu has no “third parties” | Apr 27 20:39 |
| schestowitz | It has “software” | Apr 27 20:39 |
| Balrog | isn’t there an unsupported ‘third party’ repo? | Apr 27 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Apr 27 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | there is | Apr 27 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | New: XP SP3 Doesn’t Play Nice with Heavy I/O Operations on NTFS Volumes < http://news.softpedia.com/news/XP-SP3-D… > | Apr 27 20:40 |
| Balrog | interesting … the X11 for mac team reported ‘changes in X11 in 10.5.7′ … when 10.5.7 is not yet released … | Apr 27 20:41 |
| Balrog | =P | Apr 27 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Is ext4 the new kde4? | Apr 27 20:42 |
| Balrog | it’s not | Apr 27 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | ext4 will either dazzle you or eat all your data | Apr 27 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Someone’s complaining | Apr 27 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | perhaps even in that order | Apr 27 20:43 |
| Balrog | ext4 isn’t being forced on people like KDE4 was (well at least there’s still the option to use ext3 form most people) | Apr 27 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://img134.imageshack.us/img… | Apr 27 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | there’s still an option to use ext2 | Apr 27 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | your choice |
Apr 27 20:43 |
| schestowitz | “davidgerard@schestowitz ext4 not playing nice with kde/gnome and the devs blaming the apps these foolish humans want to run really put people off it.” about 1 hour ago from web in reply to schestowitz | Apr 27 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | Reply: If I wanted my data to be in SQLite, I wouldn’t care about the f-ing file system | Apr 27 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 27 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Opera bug? | Apr 27 20:44 |
| Balrog | doesn’t it have to do with fsync() ? | Apr 27 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Windows Media Player is a lamer-player | Apr 27 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Now with extra DRM | Apr 27 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Yay | Apr 27 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Amarok puts it to shame | Apr 27 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | someone from Microsoft told me that the restriction on third party codecs was only for the beta | Apr 27 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Koaffeine with so many codecs also is powerful. | Apr 27 20:45 |
| schestowitz | *Kaffeine | Apr 27 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | but will be removed in the release of 7 | Apr 27 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | I asked why DivX and other commercial codecs worked | Apr 27 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | they did not reply | Apr 27 20:45 |
| schestowitz | They has major MP3 issues | Apr 27 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Files deletes in prebeta | Apr 27 20:46 |
| schestowitz | *ted | Apr 27 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it’s a MAFIAA antifeature | Apr 27 20:46 |
| schestowitz | If {user.Contains(MP3)} then echo(“Pirate!”) | Apr 27 20:46 |
| schestowitz | They cirrently try to characterise RealNetworks like it’s a “hacker” company | Apr 27 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | why would anyone use MP3? | Apr 27 20:47 |
| schestowitz | For allowing peolple to just back up their DVDs that they paid for | Apr 27 20:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I still have some old MP3s | Apr 27 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | remember the Microsoft PLUS Pack for XP? | Apr 27 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | they threw in a utility to “save disk space” by converting all your MP3s into 64k WMA | Apr 27 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | cause it sounds just as good don’t you know? | Apr 27 20:48 |
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| DaemonFC | maybe if you have the hearing of Helen Keller | Apr 27 20:49 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Well, it makes sense to have DirectShow codecs for free formats | Apr 27 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | like say I want to make a video game for Windows which uses directshow but I want my audio to be Vorbis | Apr 27 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | and it’s probably easier to ask someone to install a codec than switch players | Apr 27 20:55 |
| schestowitz | PLUS? | Apr 27 20:56 |
| schestowitz | They still have that? | Apr 27 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | I remember it from win95, which I used | Apr 27 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Windows Movie Maker is there for a reason | Apr 27 20:57 |
| schestowitz | It’s not to help creating movies | Apr 27 20:57 |
| schestowitz | It’s to spread a disease of patents and lockin known as WMV | Apr 27 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Another large deployment of GNU/Linux: http://www.business-standard.com/india… | Apr 27 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W… | Apr 27 20:59 |
| trmanco | that has been removed from 7 right? | Apr 27 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Want a high wage? Study Linux (now’s the time): http://www.fiercecio.com/techwatch/story/… | Apr 27 21:00 |
| trmanco | “Generally, noncertified skills in Linux, Apache, and Sybase saw an increase of between 25 to 28 percent, while professionals with uncertified skills in the areas of PHP, SAP and Unix saw their pay increase by more than 14 percent.”  |
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| trmanco | good news | Apr 27 21:01 |
| trmanco | WMP 12 is still catching up | Apr 27 21:06 |
| trmanco | it will never get as good as VLC for example | Apr 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 27 21:07 |
| trmanco | even thought they are different kind of apps | Apr 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | For all sorts of reasons | Apr 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Not just techniucal | Apr 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is being its own enemy | Apr 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Plasmafied K3b 2.0 is coming: http://tuxarena.blogspot.com/2009/0… | Apr 27 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva is powering computing grids (no PR about it): http://www.linux-wizard.net/blog-tho… | Apr 27 21:09 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, you’re replying to a troll? | Apr 27 21:14 |
| trmanco | something fishy is going on | Apr 27 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Where? | Apr 27 21:18 |
| trmanco | “IBM to Build SuperComputer To Play Jeopardy.” | Apr 27 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Not a troll. | Apr 27 21:19 |
| trmanco | it’s gary | Apr 27 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Oh, is it using another proxy now? | Apr 27 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Let me check headers | Apr 27 21:19 |
| trmanco | the email, I have it killed for a while | Apr 27 21:19 |
| schestowitz | “Organisation: Jupiter” | Apr 27 21:20 |
| schestowitz | I kill not by mozarella | Apr 27 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Some advocates post from there. | Apr 27 21:20 |
| schestowitz | HPT too, IIRC | Apr 27 21:20 |
| trmanco | i do to | Apr 27 21:20 |
| schestowitz | It’s easy to killfile nymshifers using other headers | Apr 27 21:21 |
| trmanco | I can always catch him because he is always repeating this crap -> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os… | Apr 27 21:22 |
| schestowitz | There’s another one that’s hard to kf | Apr 27 21:22 |
| schestowitz | The nutter from Iowa | Apr 27 21:23 |
| schestowitz | inspector HPT and stuff | Apr 27 21:23 |
| schestowitz | I just see it as chnaging target | Apr 27 21:23 |
| schestowitz | I use arbitrary heading | Apr 27 21:23 |
| trmanco | yeah, I had to kill file that nym a couple of times, always changing the damn email | Apr 27 21:24 |
| schestowitz | DFS -> ” Organization: BellSouth Internet Group” | Apr 27 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Linux boots in 1 second or less at the Embedded Masterclass -> http://www.cambridgewireless.co.uk/news… | Apr 27 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | SP2 RC is 90 megs | Apr 27 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | if you’re up to date with SP1+hotfixes |
Apr 27 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | I remember beta testing XP SP2 | Apr 27 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | that was a disaster | Apr 27 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Wow. A quarter of a million hits in BN in the past 16 hours |
Apr 27 21:31 |
| trmanco | add a couple a reboots on top of that | Apr 27 21:31 |
| schestowitz | I think it’s the Mono fans with their knickers twisted | Apr 27 21:31 |
| schestowitz | “Microsoft Moonlight…” | Apr 27 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | SP2 improves Windows Media Center (WMC) in the area of content protection for TV. | Apr 27 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Google brings in like 2000 visitors/day also | Apr 27 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | Why don’t I like how that sounds? | Apr 27 21:33 |
| schestowitz | protection | Apr 27 21:33 |
| schestowitz | to whom? | Apr 27 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Users? | Apr 27 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Broadcast flags. | Apr 27 21:33 |
| schestowitz | The blue flag of death | Apr 27 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | meh, Avermedia Center doesn’t obey those | Apr 27 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Well, I don’t obey broadcast | Apr 27 21:34 |
| schestowitz | I use YouTube mostly | Apr 27 21:34 |
| schestowitz | More choice, less imposed ‘infopaganda’ | Apr 27 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Media Center is too bloated and slow anyway | Apr 27 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | and constantly churns your hared disk to make a “pause buffer” that can’t be turned off | Apr 27 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | *hard | Apr 27 21:35 |
| trmanco | FF 3.0.10 is out -> http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-… | Apr 27 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | more and more security problems | Apr 27 21:48 |
| trmanco | well, at least they get fixed | Apr 27 21:49 |
| trmanco | and hey get fixed fast | Apr 27 21:50 |
| trmanco | they* | Apr 27 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | the $20,000 toilet seats that cause the problems stay in there | Apr 27 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | they’re a bit like Microsoft in that way | Apr 27 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | installing the SP2 release candidate | Apr 27 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | |
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| *DaemonFC wonders if the second SP will turn Vista around | Apr 27 21:53 | |
| *DaemonFC doubts it | Apr 27 21:53 | |
| DaemonFC | XP’s had 3 and it still has some of the same bugs that annoyed me 8 years ago | Apr 27 21:54 |
| trmanco | what do you mean by that? | Apr 27 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | it’s better than it was though | Apr 27 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | meh, you always hear people say hold off for a service pack | Apr 27 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | which I think it ridiculous that they release it now and let everyone suffer for the first year or so |
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| schestowitz | Mandriva is still at 3.0.8 | Apr 27 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it’s Windows-only problems |
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| trmanco | nto really | Apr 27 22:07 |
| trmanco | not* | Apr 27 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | Nemesis < http://www.youtube.com/watc… > | Apr 27 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | Interesting notes from this chap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2a… | Apr 27 22:49 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 27 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Hard start for the week at Microsoft.. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/2… | Apr 27 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Windows needs a medic. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0… | Apr 27 23:36 |
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| MinceR | no, windows needs euthanasia | Apr 27 23:38 |
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| PetoKraus | yup, archlinux has ffx 3.0.9, already marked as out of date… | Apr 27 23:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no, it needs waterboarding | Apr 27 23:46 |
| tessier_ | heh | Apr 27 23:47 |
| tessier_ | These people who say “But we got some good life saving information from them by waterboarding!” are frightening me | Apr 27 23:47 |
| tessier_ | Whether we got useful info out of them or not isn’t the point. | Apr 27 23:47 |
| tessier_ | Although I do wonder where we really should draw the line. | Apr 27 23:48 |
| tessier_ | Is making them sit in uncomfortable positions ok? Sensory deprivation? Room without a TV? | Apr 27 23:48 |
| tessier_ | Are we allowed to talk to them sternly? | Apr 27 23:48 |
| tessier_ | Is being imprisoned at all not a form of torture? | Apr 27 23:49 |
| schestowitz | There are intl’ conventions | Apr 27 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Without standards, there’s chaos | Apr 27 23:53 |
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| schestowitz | Bush passed a law that aquits him of crimes he was about the commit | Apr 27 23:54 |
| schestowitz | A Pentagon guy blew the whistle on that one | Apr 27 23:54 |
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| mib_svgvso | I see Yahoo Geocities is gone. Thats almost $3.6billion down the drain…. | Apr 27 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | Last post for today < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/27… > . Time for me.sleep(99);… | Apr 27 23:58 |
| mib_svgvso | Goodnight | Apr 27 23:58 |
| Goblin | Night | Apr 27 23:59 |
