05.01.09
IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 30th, 2009 – Part 1
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| schestowitz | He’s OK | Apr 30 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | Anyway, enough videos for tonight  http://www.youtube.com/watc… |
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| schestowitz | I’ll post BN linkls | Apr 30 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | Geez. She’s annoying | Apr 30 00:12 |
| schestowitz | I can’t listen to her anymore. | Apr 30 00:13 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi All! | Apr 30 00:20 |
| Balrog | Hi _Hicham_ | Apr 30 00:21 |
| _Hicham_ | how r u doing Balrog? | Apr 30 00:22 |
| schestowitz | See you in the morning. gn. | Apr 30 00:22 |
| Balrog | doing ok … | Apr 30 00:23 |
| _Hicham_ | any word processing horrors again? | Apr 30 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Apr 30 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | Pat Buchanen called Sarah Palin “The Queen of NASCAR” | Apr 30 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | heh’ | Apr 30 00:27 |
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| Goblin | good evening all | Apr 30 00:33 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : any new reviews ? | Apr 30 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Apr 30 00:38 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/04/20/… | Apr 30 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | “So you’re defending the decision of a corrupt public official applying laws that he effectively invented on the spot because it wasn’t really against the law, and you’re defending a show trial that they had precisely ZERO chance of ever winning. | Apr 30 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose you also support the guilty til innocent show trials in the Peoples Republic of China?” | Apr 30 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 30 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/04/20/on-… | Apr 30 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | No, that’s why [copyright] originally existed, now I could effectively just engage in patent and copyright trolling and once I have an idea, it’s effectively locked away in my vault forever, and I can even buy politicians to make sure nobody can use it in long respected fair use manners, such as parody or to quote things I said to rebut me. | Apr 30 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | Oh by the way, I suppose I just violated your copyright. Sue me. | Apr 30 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 30 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | that Adam Williamson is an idiot | Apr 30 00:52 |
| Balrog | heh | Apr 30 00:58 |
| _Hicham_ | fuck software patents | Apr 30 00:58 |
| tessier_ | Only if they are warm and pink | Apr 30 01:07 |
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| DaemonFC | this is interesting | Apr 30 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | since Vista has a 32-bit and 64-bit media player and my logitech software uses the 32-bit codecs which get messed up by the K Lite Codec Pack | Apr 30 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | I can use the 64-bit codecs and avoid that problem | Apr 30 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | their software apparently doesn’t like ffdshow | Apr 30 01:45 |
| Balrog | DaemonFC: Win7 uses ‘MediaKit’ | Apr 30 01:45 |
| Balrog | it seems that those codecs are signed | Apr 30 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has apparently stated that they will not block any 3rd party codecs with Win7 | Apr 30 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | I guess we’ll find out | Apr 30 01:46 |
| Balrog | yes, I hope so | Apr 30 01:46 |
| Balrog | they may not block directshow codecs, but that doesn’t mean they won’t block mediakit codecs | Apr 30 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | the MediaKit codecs are probably why WMP 12 can play DivX and such | Apr 30 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | but if that’s the case, will Vista get “Media Kit” when they backport WMP 12? | Apr 30 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | I didn’t play with WMP 12 much mostly because it’s not much good to me if it can’t play FLAC/Vorbis | Apr 30 01:48 |
| Balrog | I see. | Apr 30 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | I don’t know why Microsoft won’t let FLAC/Vorbis codecs work | Apr 30 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | it’s not difficult to install another media player that does support them | Apr 30 02:03 |
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| DaemonFC | Zogby sent me another push poll from the Republicans | Apr 30 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | this time educating me about the fact that we need to start a war with Iran | Apr 30 02:29 |
| DaemonFC | errr, asking if I agree with them (after 3 paragraphs of weasel wording) | Apr 30 02:29 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I think I know what they’re gonna do with Windows 7 regarding Home Basic | Apr 30 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | it just occurred to me | Apr 30 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft can partner with cheap low end PC makers like eMachines to have Windows 7 Home Basic pre-installed | Apr 30 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | with a link that lets you do an “anytime upgrade” to Home Premium | Apr 30 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | that way they can sell Home Basic real cheap by the millions and it’s too cramped for anyone to want to deal with | Apr 30 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | that way they get the price of the PC down and make even more off you later | Apr 30 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pr… | Apr 30 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Stop me if I’m wrong, but anyone can donate $50 flat out to the World AIDS Fund, right? | Apr 30 02:52 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://buylesscrap.com/ | Apr 30 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | That’s more like it | Apr 30 02:57 |
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| GL has a nice time line of ancient Unix. It shows people using the term Open way back in 1984. | Apr 30 04:34 | |
| http://www.groklaw.net/article.php… | Apr 30 04:34 | |
| DaemonFC | “There is a new guy in the Windows 7 vs Apple commercials. The Vista guy committed suicide.” | Apr 30 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | Myth. He tried to hang but then went on to just not shutting down. | Apr 30 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 30 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | I replied to a bunch of joke Windows 7 facts | Apr 30 04:35 |
| DaemonFC |  |
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| there is no Windows 7, so how can there be anything but “joke” facts? | Apr 30 04:36 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.lockergnome.com/blade/2009/04/13/mi… | Apr 30 05:27 |
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| DaemonFC | Vista is more secure than Linux or OS X | Apr 30 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | or anything else | Apr 30 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | cause Microsoft said so | Apr 30 05:28 |
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| mostes securest, evar | Apr 30 05:33 | |
| gotta love a batman avatar | Apr 30 05:34 | |
| Nice blame the user argument he makes. What a moron. | Apr 30 05:36 | |
| DaemonFC | no, he says the user is responsible for protecting the OS | Apr 30 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | and that’s pretty much the size of it | Apr 30 05:37 |
| ” Isn’t it the user that actually protects the OS from infection by safe computing practices” pure bullshit | Apr 30 05:37 | |
| DaemonFC | Vista alone is not going to be much safer than XP | Apr 30 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | it is actually | Apr 30 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | a stupid user can cause more damage than a virus | Apr 30 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | rm -rf / brings up an easter egg | Apr 30 05:38 |
| DaemonFC |  |
Apr 30 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | that kind of Ubuntu n00b crap | Apr 30 05:38 |
| if users are somehow responsible for system security, explain why OSX, which caters to novice users, is not a hell hole like Windows. | Apr 30 05:38 | |
| DaemonFC | 1. Less users | Apr 30 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | 2. It’s getting there | Apr 30 05:38 |
| when blame the user fails, call the popularity contest eh? | Apr 30 05:39 | |
| DaemonFC | the amount of malware spiked when it started attracting more users | Apr 30 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | one exploit involved a specially crafted torrent file | Apr 30 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | that exploited a buffer overflow | Apr 30 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | sounds like a problem to me | Apr 30 05:39 |
| there may be “less users” but there are still millions of users, a juicy target for anyone interested. | Apr 30 05:39 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, and there are viruses on the Mac | Apr 30 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | and there is anti virus software for the Mac | Apr 30 05:40 |
| people have been saying for years that Mac is the next target and that it will be just as bad as Windows “real soon” but it never happens. | Apr 30 05:40 | |
| DaemonFC | which detects Mac viruses | Apr 30 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | it already has | Apr 30 05:40 |
| what has already happened? | Apr 30 05:40 | |
| DaemonFC | Apple is a lying liar | Apr 30 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | when they irresponsibly say there are no viruses | Apr 30 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | and not to take precautions | Apr 30 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | because there are viruses | Apr 30 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | and Mac users run them cause Apple said they are immune | Apr 30 05:41 |
| the precautions have been taken by Apple, it’s not something the user can do much about | Apr 30 05:41 | |
| DaemonFC | no, Apple lied and said the Mac doesn’t have them | Apr 30 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | so the users run the viruses cause they don’t think that OS X can be infected | Apr 30 05:41 |
| I know Mac users. They never have problems | Apr 30 05:41 | |
| DaemonFC | well, a few people is not a representative sample | Apr 30 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | I’ve never had a virus on Windows | Apr 30 05:42 |
| The only OS that ever regularly has problems is Windows. | Apr 30 05:42 | |
| DaemonFC | there must not be any | Apr 30 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | no, there are no Windows viruses | Apr 30 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | you’re just saying that | Apr 30 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | I’ve never had one | Apr 30 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | so there can’t be any | Apr 30 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Apr 30 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | see what a silly argument that is? | Apr 30 05:42 |
| Users don’t know when they are part of a bot until things get ugly between a few bot owners. | Apr 30 05:43 | |
| DaemonFC | See how stupid your argument is? | Apr 30 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | I’ve never seen one, so they don’t exist | Apr 30 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | I’ve never personally seen a Kangaroo | Apr 30 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | I think they just made those up | Apr 30 05:43 |
| No, because I’ve worked retail and seen plenty of Windoze problems from hundreds of customers. | Apr 30 05:43 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, and what does the place sell | Apr 30 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | Windows machines? | Apr 30 05:43 |
| Mostly service. | Apr 30 05:44 | |
| parts | Apr 30 05:44 | |
| DaemonFC | to Windows PCs | Apr 30 05:44 |
| Yep. | Apr 30 05:44 | |
| DaemonFC | Well, I’m sure a Chevrolet dealer sees a lot of Chevrolet problems | Apr 30 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | must mean Fords never break down | Apr 30 05:44 |
| There are businesses that run on Mac and GNU/Linux. They don’t have the regular problems Windows owners have. | Apr 30 05:44 | |
| DaemonFC | the Windows virus problem is considerably overblown by critics | Apr 30 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | it is usually a stupid users trying to get porn and keygens on Limewire | Apr 30 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | not something that “Just happens” | Apr 30 05:45 |
| Why don’t you just point to some nice little articles, outside of the Wintel press, about Apple disasters. | Apr 30 05:45 | |
| ? | Apr 30 05:45 | |
| DaemonFC | macfixitforums | Apr 30 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.macfixitforums.com/ | Apr 30 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | -Login window stuck! | Apr 30 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | -lower caSe “S” key not working!! | Apr 30 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | -Menu bar keeps flashing | Apr 30 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | -I can’t drag and drop! | Apr 30 05:46 |
| It will have to be pretty good to overcome all of the happy Mac owners I know. | Apr 30 05:46 | |
| DaemonFC | Waaaah, boo hoo! I can’t drag and drop! Dumbass. Looks like your Macs aren’t perfect after all, which leads me to my second point: | Apr 30 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.n… | Apr 30 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | hehehe | Apr 30 05:47 |
| CNET, bullshit site. | Apr 30 05:47 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, right | Apr 30 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | still real people | Apr 30 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | real Macs | Apr 30 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | real problems | Apr 30 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | thousands of them | Apr 30 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | on jsut this one site | Apr 30 05:47 |
| like all the “real people” on Slashdot, thousands of them. | Apr 30 05:47 | |
| lol | Apr 30 05:48 | |
| DaemonFC | so of course the Mac hardware and software has problems | Apr 30 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | the troublefree sales propaganda is bullshit | Apr 30 05:48 |
| especially since they moved to Intel. | Apr 30 05:48 | |
| DaemonFC | no, I’ve had issues on PowerPC Macs | Apr 30 05:48 |
| still, my 7 year old intel is basically trouble free thanks to free sotware | Apr 30 05:48 | |
| DaemonFC | if anything, the Mac was even more horrible before OS X | Apr 30 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | I actually would prefer Windows 98 to OS 9 | Apr 30 05:49 |
| OSX started on Power PC, it was a better platform. | Apr 30 05:49 | |
| DaemonFC | that’s really how bad it was | Apr 30 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | PowerPC was good for frying eggs on I suppose | Apr 30 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | and for eating electricity | Apr 30 05:49 |
| I don’t really care. You have not convinced me that Apple is as bad as M$ when it comes to security. | Apr 30 05:49 | |
| I know it’s not. | Apr 30 05:50 | |
| DaemonFC | smaller target and I never said the OS X wasn’t reasonably secure | Apr 30 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | but that’s not the problem | Apr 30 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | the problem is social engineering | Apr 30 05:50 |
| I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about network p0nership. | Apr 30 05:50 | |
| DaemonFC | if you can trick me into running something as an administrator, I have just killed the system | Apr 30 05:51 |
| you claimed that security was user responsiblity, I said that’s a M$ excuse | Apr 30 05:51 | |
| DaemonFC | social engineering is much easier and much more guaranteed than finding and successfully exploiting a hole | Apr 30 05:51 |
| Windows has autoroots every day. | Apr 30 05:51 | |
| DaemonFC | and there’s no patch for an idiot user | Apr 30 05:51 |
| reasonable software protects users | Apr 30 05:52 | |
| DaemonFC | there’s no such thing as an auto-rootkit | Apr 30 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | it requires a botched configuration and for you to be months behind on your security patches | Apr 30 05:52 |
| there’s no such thing as a W32 virus that auto propagates? | Apr 30 05:52 | |
| DaemonFC | not if you have a sane setup and are current on updates | Apr 30 05:53 |
| blaming the user? | Apr 30 05:53 | |
| DaemonFC | usually, yes | Apr 30 05:53 |
| how can you say that when M$ leaves problems unrepaired for years and the stream of new holes is unending? | Apr 30 05:53 | |
| DaemonFC | and a rootkit is only undetectable after it compromises the system | Apr 30 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | so you also turned off your antivirus | Apr 30 05:53 |
| what rootkit does not do all of that? | Apr 30 05:54 | |
| sheesh. | Apr 30 05:54 | |
| DaemonFC | so it just made it through three layers of user fuckups | Apr 30 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | to pwn that system | Apr 30 05:54 |
| I give up Daemon. | Apr 30 05:55 | |
| you assert without proof and deny the obvious. | Apr 30 05:55 | |
| DaemonFC | without proof? | Apr 30 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | why are there security patches for Linux? | Apr 30 05:55 |
| you never proved to me Apple had security problems. | Apr 30 05:55 | |
| DaemonFC | has no Linux server EVER been compromised? | Apr 30 05:56 |
| you just pointed to some CNet troll board | Apr 30 05:56 | |
| DaemonFC | why are there security patches for OS X? | Apr 30 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | if it’s perfect | Apr 30 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | no, you ignroed the proof | Apr 30 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | and that’s your fault | Apr 30 05:56 |
| A system does not have to be perfect to be better. | Apr 30 05:56 | |
| DaemonFC | so when OS X is insecure it’s OK | Apr 30 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | but when Windows is, then it’s the end of the world | Apr 30 05:56 |
| A windows system can be rooted no matter how well it’s kept, because the system is deeply flawed. | Apr 30 05:56 | |
| DaemonFC | prove it | Apr 30 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | here you go, infect my system with something | Apr 30 05:57 |
| *DaemonFC waits | Apr 30 05:57 | |
| I don’t want your system Daemon. | Apr 30 05:57 | |
| that’s not what I do | Apr 30 05:57 | |
| *DaemonFC looks at his watch and yawns | Apr 30 05:57 | |
| DaemonFC | No, I’m just not a huge fan of Apple, period | Apr 30 05:58 |
| What checks do you have to know you are not already part of a botnet? | Apr 30 05:58 | |
| DaemonFC | because I haven’t ran anything that has installed one | Apr 30 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | that’s the only way it could happen | Apr 30 05:58 |
| The only way to really know is to monitor your traffic with another box, preferably another box running something besides Windows. | Apr 30 05:59 | |
| DaemonFC | that’s just ridiculous | Apr 30 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | I don’t have any other way it could get in or run | Apr 30 06:00 |
| The people at Honeynet do that kind of thing. They see all sorts of autoroots. Windows has an average time to ownership of about 4 minutes on any given public network. | Apr 30 06:00 | |
| DaemonFC | that’s XP RTM they did that with | Apr 30 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | with no firewall | Apr 30 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | or antivirus | Apr 30 06:00 |
| Windows listens in various insecure ways. | Apr 30 06:00 | |
| DaemonFC | I believe that XP RTM would be taken down that easily | Apr 30 06:01 |
| a “firewall”? What’s that, another system running something besides Windows? | Apr 30 06:01 | |
| DaemonFC | not necessarily | Apr 30 06:01 |
| Honeynet uses default installs. Newer versions of XP and Vista are no better than older ones | Apr 30 06:01 | |
| it’s all the same old code. | Apr 30 06:02 | |
| DaemonFC | Why has that all died down with Vista? | Apr 30 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | or on XP SP2? | Apr 30 06:03 |
| there has been no die down, things are worse than ever | Apr 30 06:03 | |
| DaemonFC | I mean it went from dead simple to remote attack | Apr 30 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | to now | Apr 30 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | where it’s users trying to get porn and keygens on Limewire | Apr 30 06:03 |
| what makes you think anything has changed? | Apr 30 06:03 | |
| DaemonFC | I just don’t think it’s all that easy to remotely exploit Windows in a reasonable configuration | Apr 30 06:04 |
| why should users be afraid of the network, unless their OS is a subject to auto root? | Apr 30 06:04 | |
| DaemonFC | people trying to get porn and keygens are doing most of this | Apr 30 06:05 |
| there is not “reasonable” windows configuration, besides unplugged or deleted. | Apr 30 06:05 | |
| DaemonFC | to themselves | Apr 30 06:05 |
| I browse porn, no problems, thanks. | Apr 30 06:05 | |
| DaemonFC | that Virtumonde virus wasn’t even really exploiting Windows | Apr 30 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | it was exploiting one of the many holes in JAVA | Apr 30 06:05 |
| M$ java is not java. Here, go read up http://www.honeynet.org/ | Apr 30 06:06 | |
| DaemonFC | I don’t even have JAVA | Apr 30 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | no, Sun JAVA | Apr 30 06:06 |
| why not, it’s GPL now. | Apr 30 06:06 | |
| DaemonFC | Sun JAVA is just a pile of security bugs waiting for a problem to happen | Apr 30 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | not even worth having | Apr 30 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | JAVA and ActiveX controls are both pretty much just as bad | Apr 30 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | I’m not a huge fan of either one | Apr 30 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | JAVA was never wildly popular, but things you did actually need it for are dying off | Apr 30 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | Flash and AJAX have replaced the JAVA applet on just about every website | Apr 30 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | of course Sun GPL’d Java, it’s worthless | Apr 30 06:10 |
| here’s an early write up about how Vista is just as easy to own, perhaps easier, than any previous version http://slashdot.org/~twi… | Apr 30 06:11 | |
| Here’s an article about what a mess Vista’s IP6 networking is http://slashdot.org/~twitter/j… | Apr 30 06:12 | |
| DaemonFC | Sun’s fate was the same as SGI | Apr 30 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | but I’m more sad to see SGI go | Apr 30 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | they had better stuff | Apr 30 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | I turn IPv6 off on any OS I use | Apr 30 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | it’s caused more problems in Ubuntu for me than in Vista | Apr 30 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | and they build it into the kernel to take your choice to blacklist it away now | Apr 30 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | even though it still causes problems | Apr 30 06:14 |
| here’s a relatively recent article about how Windows can get rooted in under 5 minutes, faster than you can download the “patches” like a good little serf, http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?… | Apr 30 06:14 | |
| DaemonFC | they did manage to fix ONE bonhead stupid bug I pointed out | Apr 30 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | at least | Apr 30 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | for Jaunty | Apr 30 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | *bonehead | Apr 30 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | what version of Windows? | Apr 30 06:15 |
| the bugs never end. Windows is not like free software where things get fixed. | Apr 30 06:15 | |
| DaemonFC | Have they heard about service pack slipstreaming? | Apr 30 06:15 |
| read it for yourself, it was from 2008 | Apr 30 06:16 | |
| DaemonFC | Windows releases are longer lived than Linux releases | Apr 30 06:16 |
| Vista is just as bad, even worse. | Apr 30 06:17 | |
| DaemonFC | I slipstreamed Vista SP1 | Apr 30 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | I’ll make a new image with SP2 when that’s out | Apr 30 06:17 |
| If Vista has holes, your slipstream does too. | Apr 30 06:17 | |
| DaemonFC | most “botnets” are crude and infantile | Apr 30 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | usually just some scripted Mirc client | Apr 30 06:18 |
| M$ just does not have the resources or inclination to fix things. They just claim they fix things and say everyone else sucks and that users are “idiots” and so on and so forth. | Apr 30 06:18 | |
| DaemonFC | that’s hiding out from the user | Apr 30 06:18 |
| if botnets are so crude, M$ is even cruder | Apr 30 06:19 | |
| it’s bad policy to say the enemy that’s killing you is incompetent. | Apr 30 06:19 | |
| DaemonFC | no, the user installs them | Apr 30 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | without realizing it | Apr 30 06:20 |
| back to blame the user? | Apr 30 06:20 | |
| DaemonFC | seriously, a lot of these “viruses” are too simple to spread without the user doing the legwork | Apr 30 06:20 |
| It’s like you did not read http://it.slashdot.org/artic… at all | Apr 30 06:20 | |
| there’s nothing a user can do. | Apr 30 06:21 | |
| DaemonFC | they can’t do anything til the user deploys them | Apr 30 06:21 |
| twitter really gives up, good night | Apr 30 06:21 | |
| *DaemonFC wonders if twitter is aware that Vista lasted longer in PWN to OWN | Apr 30 06:24 | |
| DaemonFC | the Macbook got cracked in under 2 minutes | Apr 30 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | Vista lasted nearly 3 days | Apr 30 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | I found that pretty amusing | Apr 30 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | all this talk of security and Apple is the first to go down | Apr 30 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | and it wasn’t even really a flaw in Vista that was exploited | Apr 30 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | someone had installed Adobe Flash | Apr 30 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | the vulnerability in the Mac was in the Safari browser itself | Apr 30 06:27 |
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| schestowitz | Kucinich raises questions about attack in Syria < http://www.youtube.com/watch?… > | Apr 30 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | that was last year | Apr 30 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | and Bush ordered it | Apr 30 06:58 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm…. http://www.youtube.com/watch… Funny how in the US those who want to really change things get marginalised or can’t get to pay for a campiagn. It’s the business community that comes together and decideds who will be advertised for “president” post. | Apr 30 06:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, watch the anchor pretending Dennis is a nut for suggesting it could be time strategically. | Apr 30 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The Communist News Network or the Fixed Noise Channel | Apr 30 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | which do you prefer? |
Apr 30 07:01 |
| schestowitz | None, but not much else exist | Apr 30 07:02 |
| schestowitz | Some try to make indpendent ones | Apr 30 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | meh | Apr 30 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | it’s always “Get the facts first, we can distort them later” reporting | Apr 30 07:03 |
| schestowitz | But unless you are funded y (to sell out to) some company like GE, you’re f*ed | Apr 30 07:03 |
| schestowitz | News is SOLD | Apr 30 07:03 |
| schestowitz | Not deliv ered | Apr 30 07:03 |
| schestowitz | News to them is a business. | Apr 30 07:03 |
| schestowitz | Like so-called anal-ysts | Apr 30 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | of course it is | Apr 30 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | I called into CNN right after Obama won and they were asking for opinions | Apr 30 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | I said I thought the Republicans would dig in and vote no on everything just to try to thwart Obama | Apr 30 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | and the reporter kind of chuckled at me | Apr 30 07:05 |
| DaemonFC | and now we know that’s what happened | Apr 30 07:05 |
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| schestowitz | Hold on | Apr 30 07:05 |
| schestowitz | Speaking of which… | Apr 30 07:05 |
| DaemonFC | just about every bill is passing just because there’s more Democrats | Apr 30 07:05 |
| DaemonFC | but it’s all pretty much party line votes | Apr 30 07:06 |
| schestowitz | Here he claimed the repugnicants smeared him: http://www.youtube.com/watch… | Apr 30 07:07 |
| schestowitz | IIRC he said they paid Democrats to smear him too | Apr 30 07:07 |
| DaemonFC | the Republicans are panicked and this is a knee jerk reaction that isn’t making anyone like them more | Apr 30 07:07 |
| DaemonFC | they’re becoming a smaller and more radical right wing party | Apr 30 07:07 |
| DaemonFC | with long term supporters abandoning them | Apr 30 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | I figure in 2010, it’ll be another blood bath for them | Apr 30 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | I figure they’ll lose another 10-20 seats in the House, and probably at least 4-6 more in the Senate | Apr 30 07:09 |
| DaemonFC | the very best they can hope for I think is a break even with where they are now | Apr 30 07:09 |
| schestowitz | Well, peoople will become more radical too | Apr 30 07:11 |
| schestowitz | So they might have a bunch of raving people calling for wars, who knows? | Apr 30 07:11 |
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| schestowitz | brb | Apr 30 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://img159.imageshack.us/img… | Apr 30 07:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft’s plan for control of Linux? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/3… | Apr 30 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Microsoft paid to get IE on the front page of browser listings | Apr 30 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | on Download.com | Apr 30 08:08 |
| schestowitz | Vista7 | Apr 30 08:08 |
| schestowitz | Like VIsta, new wallpaper |
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| DaemonFC | and Firefox is still getting 3 downloads to every 1 for IE | Apr 30 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Apr 30 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | and got on the first page by popularity | Apr 30 08:08 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, CNET is a MS-oriented site | Apr 30 08:09 |
| schestowitz | I hate CNET | Apr 30 08:09 |
| schestowitz | I used to read it painfully | Apr 30 08:09 |
| DaemonFC | I just think that’s so funny | Apr 30 08:09 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft can’t even BUY Firefox’s popularity | Apr 30 08:09 |
| DaemonFC | nah, they have Mac stuff too | Apr 30 08:10 |
| DaemonFC | they used to have Linux stuff but killed it off for lack of interest | Apr 30 08:10 |
| DaemonFC | well, probably more like like of advertising revenue | Apr 30 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.thenixedreport.com/ar… | Apr 30 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | Former Microsoft Insider Speaks Out | Apr 30 08:11 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I got a Windows Fundamentals disc | Apr 30 08:22 |
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| DaemonFC | “Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs” | Apr 30 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | an extremely stripped down XP meant to upgrade older NT4/98 systems that couldn’t handle XP very well | Apr 30 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windo… | Apr 30 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | quite interesting system | Apr 30 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | (fast too!) | Apr 30 08:23 |
| schestowitz | The Inquirer seems unreliable to me (well, more than before): http://boycottnovell.com/2009/… | Apr 30 08:31 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, CNET is bought by Apple too | Apr 30 08:32 |
| schestowitz | That’s what others say | Apr 30 08:32 |
| schestowitz | Same about Digg | Apr 30 08:32 |
| schestowitz | But CNET is actually paid for itslayou | Apr 30 08:32 |
| schestowitz | *layout | Apr 30 08:32 |
| schestowitz | And Apple pays too | Apr 30 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | The Register is amusing | Apr 30 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | it’s usually what I read | Apr 30 08:32 |
| schestowitz | I don’t get the reference.. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0… | Apr 30 08:34 |
| schestowitz | Is this a name of a song or something? | Apr 30 08:34 |
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| ushimitsudoki | Yes | Apr 30 08:39 |
| ushimitsudoki | Lyrics from “The End” a Doors song | Apr 30 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | Sebastien Bacher | Apr 30 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | there’s your problem | Apr 30 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu has been kind of a disease like this for a while | Apr 30 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | there’s a few people that run things and a bunch of people that back them up and a bunch of fanboys that back them up | Apr 30 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | so no matter how wrong those guys on the top of this pyramid are, they’re always right | Apr 30 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | and that’s how some of these harebrained blueprints come to fruition | Apr 30 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | most distributions are like that to some extent | Apr 30 08:45 |
| DaemonFC | but Ubuntu and OpenSuse have got to be the most unapproachable | Apr 30 08:45 |
| DaemonFC | I mean I’ve put stuff in Fedora’s Bugzilla and it was fixed or at least confirmed within days | Apr 30 08:45 |
| DaemonFC | I put stuff in Ubuntu and some asshole comes in and closes it or starts an argument with me | Apr 30 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | Bacher is one of those types that would rather argue and force his point of view than listen or even pretend to have listened | Apr 30 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu’s development is done in an echo chamber, not with any kind of input from the people that use it day in and out | Apr 30 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | I’m currently dual booting Vista and Fedora 11 Beta | Apr 30 08:50 |
| DaemonFC | I’m not quite sure I really want to go back to Ubuntu after the latest set of spats I’ve had with Bacher and the rest | Apr 30 08:50 |
| DaemonFC | http://dvlabs.tippingpoint.com/blog/… | Apr 30 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | cool | Apr 30 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 30 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | I’d like to see them throw Opera in there and see how long it lasts | Apr 30 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | something tells me it would last longer than those | Apr 30 08:54 |
| schestowitz | Yes, for sure | Apr 30 08:54 |
| schestowitz | Opera gets an easy ride from many Linux users | Apr 30 08:54 |
| schestowitz | Esp. the new ones | Apr 30 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Safari on Mac was pwned in less than two minutes | Apr 30 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 30 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | the Mac was the first to lose for the SECOND year in a row | Apr 30 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | twitter’s claims about the Mac being secure are just silly | Apr 30 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | any system that big and that complicated will have flaws | Apr 30 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | lots of them | Apr 30 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | no operating system under active development will ever have close to all of its flaws found and patched | Apr 30 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | that’s why it’s better to stay current, cause it’s all you really can do | Apr 30 08:59 |
| schestowitz | Mac are less secure than Linux | Apr 30 09:03 |
| schestowitz | Not to mention their apps | Apr 30 09:03 |
| schestowitz | Experts are saying so | Apr 30 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Apple is just setting its users who believe that OS X is immune up to be knocked down | Apr 30 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | by saying it’s immune, they are encouraging carelessness | Apr 30 09:05 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I noticed some bizarre behavior from CDBurnerXP (a .Net-based CD burning app) | Apr 30 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | it overran all my 4 gigs of RAM and started hitting the SWAP file | Apr 30 09:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft slammed for using software patents against interoperability ( ODF ), the OIN responds too late http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/… | Apr 30 09:21 |
| schestowitz | 4gb not enud[sic] | Apr 30 09:21 |
| schestowitz | Meg. | Apr 30 09:21 |
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| schestowitz | Most-Searched Term on Microsoft’s Live Search Is … ‘Google’ http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419… | Apr 30 09:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… Hacker behind P2P botnet gets no jail time | Apr 30 09:44 |
| schestowitz | MS fan Tim Anderson (in The Register): “Windows 7 – It’s like Vista, only less annoying” | Apr 30 09:50 |
| schestowitz | No link. | Apr 30 09:50 |
| MinceR | hay | Apr 30 09:56 |
| MinceR | (offtopic) (flash) (video) (speech) http://www.youtube.com/wa… | Apr 30 09:56 |
| schestowitz | Another Adobe Reader vulnerability surfaces http://www.itwire.com/content… here we go again | Apr 30 10:04 |
| schestowitz | The European Commission still give me no access to documents: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0… | Apr 30 10:20 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Windows 7 is only revolutionary in one sense | Apr 30 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | It’s the only “upgrade” for Windows I’ve ever seen that didn’t need twice the RAM and three times the processor | Apr 30 10:26 |
| schestowitz | Pricing scheme? | Apr 30 10:26 |
| schestowitz | Ah, OK | Apr 30 10:27 |
| schestowitz | Well, Vista7 is not much of a departure from Vista. | Apr 30 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | nah, it actually runs acceptably well on a system I bought 4 years ago | Apr 30 10:27 |
| schestowitz | IOW, it’s SP | Apr 30 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | that’s kind of surprising | Apr 30 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | it’s not exactly a speed demon, but we’re talking XP-era hardware and not even top of the line back then | Apr 30 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | no wait, 5 years | Apr 30 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | so yeah | Apr 30 10:28 |
| oiaohm | Windows 7 has better cpu support than vista when it comes to time allocation. | Apr 30 10:28 |
| oiaohm | When it comes to ram usage good performance point has been haved from 4 g to 2g. | Apr 30 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | it seems more responsive, but it doesn’t do much better on synthetic benchmarks | Apr 30 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | which makes me think they’ve improved perceived performance, but not actual performance | Apr 30 10:29 |
| oiaohm | Still way too much ram for netbooks. | Apr 30 10:29 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the benchmark DaemonFC | Apr 30 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | meh, I really should put it on my laptop for shits and giggles | Apr 30 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | 1.7 Ghz Sempron and 1 GB RAM | Apr 30 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | 1.8 Ghz that is | Apr 30 10:29 |
| oiaohm | Multi thread benchmark. | Apr 30 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | multithreading wouldn’t help it much on an Athlon64 | Apr 30 10:30 |
| oiaohm | Also Vista still has a lot of crap clogging things up. | Apr 30 10:30 |
| oiaohm | Opps windows 7 not vista there. | Apr 30 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | Vista “feels” a bit heavier but they both have the same benchmark scores | Apr 30 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | explain that to me? | Apr 30 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | I think they rigged the shell to respond faster | Apr 30 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | Vista SP2 suspends and resumes faster and my wifi is immediately available | Apr 30 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Windows 7 is using video card more to smooth interface. | Apr 30 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | that’s a big improvement | Apr 30 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Put a poor video card on Windows 7 | Apr 30 10:32 |
| oiaohm | And it slips very quickly back to Vista. | Apr 30 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | DWM should do the same thing in Vista | Apr 30 10:32 |
| oiaohm | They altered DWM minorally. | Apr 30 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Yes small tweek big difference in feel. | Apr 30 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | that won’t help you when you launch a game | Apr 30 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | Vista kills compositing when you launch a fullscreen application | Apr 30 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | so that it won’t affect performance | Apr 30 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | one of my big gripes about XP after seeing OS X and Compiz Fusion in Linux was that it still used framebuffering/GDI+ | Apr 30 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | XP felt noticeably clunkier | Apr 30 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | so Aero Glass is a big improvement in that respect | Apr 30 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | window tearing is not cool | Apr 30 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Even worse once Linux gets accross to DRI2 | Apr 30 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Current compizfusion really is running crippled. | Apr 30 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | Compiz is not ideal | Apr 30 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | ideal would be built into GNOME | Apr 30 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | like Kwin does in KDE | Apr 30 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | not tacked on after the fact | Apr 30 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | and including plugins to work around bugs in Metacity | Apr 30 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | but Compiz is good enough for some geewhizbang stuff if you’re showing it off to an XP user | Apr 30 10:37 |
| oiaohm | DRI2 + gem is what is required so those effects work without bring house down. | Apr 30 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | as far as I know there is no way to get compositing in XP | Apr 30 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | I could be wrong | Apr 30 10:38 |
| oiaohm | There is a way but its completely evil. | Apr 30 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | 3rd party shareware? | Apr 30 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | thats evil | Apr 30 10:38 |
| oiaohm | And put the system at risk of being screwed in case of update. | Apr 30 10:39 |
| oiaohm | One of the reactos developers much around mods. | Apr 30 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | if I already bought a $400 OS (Vista Ultimate), why should I need to go hunt down freeware codecs and freeware CD burning and freeware antivirus? | Apr 30 10:39 |
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| DaemonFC | then you need to go hunt down an office suite | Apr 30 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | and Paint.Net or The Gimp | Apr 30 10:40 |
| oiaohm | Yep OS cost more than hardware soon. | Apr 30 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | I’ve never really liked Gimp | Apr 30 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | personally | Apr 30 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | it just feels wrong | Apr 30 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | There’s a “Gimpshop” program that changes the layout to act like Photoshop though | Apr 30 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | that’s a bit more tolerable | Apr 30 10:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_stor… “It is inappropriate for LinuxToday to accept money from mIcorsoff to advertise for them by posting pathetic articles like this one. People with a conscience don’t make their living by lying. “ | Apr 30 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | ??? | Apr 30 10:42 |
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| DaemonFC | Miguel De Icaza was porting Paint.Net as Paint-Mono | Apr 30 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Blech | Apr 30 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | I feel guilty about secretly desiring that | Apr 30 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | you can run Paint.Net in Wine if you install Mono for Windows inside Wine | Apr 30 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | the good thing about using .Net on Windows is that the app doesn’t need to be recompiled to give you a 64-bit version | Apr 30 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | I say that’s a plus because most people that write Windows software need kicked in the nuts due to that | Apr 30 10:45 |
| schestowitz | Open Storage Shines as Sun Sets < http://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/i… > Will Oracle keep it? | Apr 30 10:48 |
| oiaohm | Storage side Oracle wants. | Apr 30 10:49 |
| MinceR | most people that write Windows software need kicked in the nuts << the gist  |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/434/ | Apr 30 10:49 |
| oiaohm | mono does basically kick any Linux user in nuts just they don’t see it. | Apr 30 10:50 |
| oiaohm | MS uses AOT in there .net | Apr 30 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Mono uses JIT. | Apr 30 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.prankdialer.com/mp3/… | Apr 30 10:54 |
| *DaemonFC facepalms | Apr 30 10:54 | |
| schestowitz | Mandriva Linux 2009 Spring is finally released \0/ http://blog.mandriva.com/2009/04/29/… | Apr 30 10:54 |
| *DaemonFC sends schestowitz to port25 | Apr 30 10:56 | |
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| schestowitz | Is it time to leave insecure Adobe behind? < http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/e… > | Apr 30 11:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft’s Fort 25[sic]? | Apr 30 11:02 |
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| DaemonFC | I might look into Fallout 3 now that Nvidia has optimized their driver for it | Apr 30 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.nzone.com/object/n… | Apr 30 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | preorder, heh | Apr 30 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | sure, that way they can delay it all they want and you already paid | Apr 30 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | Another plane crash, founder of shopping.com dies. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/20… | Apr 30 11:23 |
| schestowitz | Is there anywhere one can fetch stats on plane crashes over the years? | Apr 30 11:23 |
| schestowitz | tessier might know…? | Apr 30 11:24 |
| schestowitz | I can’t remember which famous singer it was whose plane also crashed a couple of years back. | Apr 30 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Apr 30 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | musikcube is abandoned? | Apr 30 11:28 |
| schestowitz | Female | Apr 30 11:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: another dead site? | Apr 30 11:29 |
| schestowitz | All those flashy “Web 2.0″ things are falling fast | Apr 30 11:29 |
| DaemonFC | Aaliyah | Apr 30 11:29 |
| schestowitz | They thrived in bubbled | Apr 30 11:29 |
| DaemonFC | musikcube wasn’t bad | Apr 30 11:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: probably, if she died | Apr 30 11:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.mtv.com/news/article… | Apr 30 11:30 |
| schestowitz | 2001!?! | Apr 30 11:30 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Apr 30 11:31 |
| schestowitz | So no. | Apr 30 11:31 |
| schestowitz | It’s someone else who died later | Apr 30 11:31 |
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| schestowitz | Movie Critic To Movie Industry: Wake Up, Start Giving Consumers What They Want < http://techdirt.com/articles/2009… > | Apr 30 11:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/markker… | Apr 30 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Think for a moment what Google does | Apr 30 11:36 |
| schestowitz | it produces nothing, just gives snippets of RELEVANT text to people and it’s therefore used the most | Apr 30 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Why does the copyright cartel refuse to evolve? | Apr 30 11:37 |
| oiaohm | Some of it is end users are still following the cartel. | Apr 30 11:37 |
| oiaohm | If users would move away from the fancy advertising of the cartels and go creative commons and the like they would break quicky. | Apr 30 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Argh. More silliness with Google Trends: http://www.junauza.com/2009/04/ubuntu… Yeah… “sponge” too might be more popular than <whatever>. | Apr 30 11:39 |
| oiaohm | Illegal got copies they will just hunt them down. Boot legging is not new to the cartels. | Apr 30 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | heh, Walmart wanted $49 for this | Apr 30 11:39 |
| oiaohm | Remember the tape boot legs of you parents. | Apr 30 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.newegg.com/Product/… | Apr 30 11:39 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: the Internet enables change | Apr 30 11:39 |
| schestowitz | But P2P is general is now being treated as “criminal” | Apr 30 11:40 |
| schestowitz | If artists want to disseminate millions of copies, they must rely on p2p | Apr 30 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | well, searches obviously don’t equal users | Apr 30 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | because XP still has 62 users for every one Linux user | Apr 30 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | and that’s rounding Linux UP to 1% | Apr 30 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | and not counting Windows Vista users, or Windows 2000 users (there’s a few) | Apr 30 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, Windows 2000 users still outnumber Linux users more than 2-1 | Apr 30 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | I don’t know why people point to google searches when tryign to prove a point | Apr 30 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | desperation? | Apr 30 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | or here’s a fun one | Apr 30 11:43 |
| DaemonFC | Mac OS X users outnumber Linux users 9-1 | Apr 30 11:43 |
| DaemonFC | XP is still the most widely used operating system by far, even outnumbering Vista users 2-1 | Apr 30 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is having its hands full trying to kill off XP | Apr 30 11:44 |
| schestowitz | Linux is not what you claim it to be, in terms o0f market share | Apr 30 11:45 |
| schestowitz | It’s several percept market share | Apr 30 11:45 |
| schestowitz | Mostly in developing nations | Apr 30 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | Linux is 1% by the very most generous estimates | Apr 30 11:45 |
| schestowitz | Whose? | Apr 30 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | hold please | Apr 30 11:45 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft-funded Net Applications? | Apr 30 11:45 |
| schestowitz | Or one of their other cronies? | Apr 30 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wik… | Apr 30 11:46 |
| schestowitz | W3schools puts it at around 3-% | Apr 30 11:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: my article on this in cited in Wikipedia | Apr 30 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, who goes there? | Apr 30 11:46 |
| schestowitz | It’s not known | Apr 30 11:46 |
| schestowitz | But it can be estimated | Apr 30 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | they also overestimate Firefox and Opera | Apr 30 11:46 |
| schestowitz | There’s also the definition of form factors | Apr 30 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | because more technical users go there | Apr 30 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | W3Schools is not a representative sample | Apr 30 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Rockefeller Looking to Grant Open Source < http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/r… > | Apr 30 11:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: siagreed | Apr 30 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | that would be like saying you had a rally for Conservatives and 95 out of the 100 people that showed up were Republicans | Apr 30 11:47 |
| schestowitz | The sample you think of are all biased | Apr 30 11:47 |
| schestowitz | But they neglect privacy-aware sites | Apr 30 11:47 |
| schestowitz | BN for example | Apr 30 11:48 |
| schestowitz | About 40$ of our visits are from Linux | Apr 30 11:48 |
| schestowitz | Windows has lots of zombie traffic | Apr 30 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | well yeah, the subject matter is something no offense, that most people don’t care about | Apr 30 11:48 |
| schestowitz | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/os… | Apr 30 11:48 |
| schestowitz | I summarised some points there | Apr 30 11:48 |
| schestowitz | Made /,’s FP | Apr 30 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | people that walk into Walmart and throw a comptuer in the cart don’t know what Windows is | Apr 30 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | or Microsoft | Apr 30 11:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: people don’t need to care about it | Apr 30 11:49 |
| schestowitz | But ISVs do | Apr 30 11:49 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft deceived many | Apr 30 11:49 |
