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05.03.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: May 2nd, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 8:13 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz Few of them actually TRIED it May 02 18:06
twitter I’m also very selective in quoting so as not to clog up people’s mail boxes with duplicate crap. May 02 18:06
_Hicham_ twitter : fuck Outlook, vive Thunderbird May 02 18:06
schestowitz They follow the herd of bribes people May 02 18:06
twitter I like kmail. May 02 18:06
schestowitz and MVPs and all May 02 18:06
schestowitz And W-E is watcing this May 02 18:06
schestowitz Probably taking dissent to the side like they all did with Surface May 02 18:06
twitter Reputable reporters won’t bother writing anything about vaporware. May 02 18:06
schestowitz That’s just how they work May 02 18:06
schestowitz Divide and Conquer, PR PR PR May 02 18:07
_Hicham_ schestowitz : if i had money, i would bribe reporters to make them say good things about Linux May 02 18:07
_Hicham_ this IE7 is crappy May 02 18:07
twitter Sure, WE will also punish people with short leads.  Remember all that stuff about breaking embargos a while back? May 02 18:07
twitter IE is crappy. May 02 18:08
schestowitz twitter: check how people respond to formal reviews May 02 18:08
_Hicham_ i get a corruption everytime i zoom the page May 02 18:08
twitter You don’t need to bribe people to tell the truth. May 02 18:08
schestowitz You give contextT May 02 18:08
schestowitz Then address points in turn May 02 18:08
schestowitz It’s easy May 02 18:08
_Hicham_ well, the truth must have supporters May 02 18:08
_Hicham_ commercial supporters May 02 18:09
twitter I usually give context in my own words. May 02 18:09
_Hicham_ liek RedHat May 02 18:09
schestowitz I’m at least watching it May 02 18:09
schestowitz We must explain how it works May 02 18:09
twitter It’s more to the point. May 02 18:09
_Hicham_ and Canonical  at some point May 02 18:09
schestowitz Then make cohesive work in the Wiki May 02 18:09
schestowitz Let’s flash out the ‘meat’ of this first May 02 18:09
schestowitz later organise and use this examples May 02 18:09
schestowitz That’s how CMD (SourceWatch) does this May 02 18:09
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schestowitz _Hicham_: fair point re: Red Hat May 02 18:10
schestowitz Oh, he’s gone May 02 18:10
schestowitz Or maybe IE7 crashecd :-D May 02 18:10
twitter likely May 02 18:10
schestowitz Maybe forced reboot May 02 18:10
schestowitz ─(18:10 $)─> uptime May 02 18:10
schestowitz 18:10:37 up 59 days,  3:29,  2 users,  load average: 0.84, 0.78, 0.82 May 02 18:10
twitter WE network filter May 02 18:10
schestowitz I once sent some IPs to check if WE eavesdrop on us May 02 18:11
schestowitz A friend wanted to see and check May 02 18:11
schestowitz But I disposed of logs May 02 18:11
schestowitz It’s WE’s job to spy on coverage May 02 18:11
schestowitz Even TWITS May 02 18:11
twitter You know that BN is Bill Gate’s favorite news service May 02 18:11
schestowitz And they use analysers to pinpoint troublemakers May 02 18:11
schestowitz Then Microsoft gets instructions on who to call, fly over for a visit, etc May 02 18:12
twitter then troll, harass and “guide” May 02 18:12
schestowitz twitter: a friend at the gym has just joked with me about assassination attempts or something May 02 18:12
twitter not funny May 02 18:12
schestowitz I know May 02 18:12
schestowitz But he’s a funny guy May 02 18:12
schestowitz Always happy. I gave him the site’s address 2 hours ago May 02 18:13
twitter no, he’s just part of our violent culture. May 02 18:13
schestowitz It’s interesting to test the rewaction of people who are TOTALLY new to this May 02 18:13
schestowitz People who don’t know what Linux is. May 02 18:13
trmanco omg May 02 18:13
schestowitz “Windows 7 Gets Its Own Web Site” May 02 18:13
schestowitz So they all write about somehting they NEVER used May 02 18:14
schestowitz Exclusives and fake ‘leaks’ May 02 18:14
trmanco just checking some old emails, how I wrote back then and how I write right now… omg… May 02 18:14
schestowitz Free laptops flying May 02 18:14
schestowitz And they just go about yapping while MS PR is managing this circus May 02 18:14
schestowitz Annoying. May 02 18:14
schestowitz trmanco: yes, it’s interesting May 02 18:14
schestowitz Writing style change over time May 02 18:14
schestowitz Vocabularies too May 02 18:14
twitter People who have not used free software for a few months lack perspective.  They project their crappy experience onto everything.  Free software sounds too good to be true. May 02 18:15
twitter M$ capitalizes on this ignorance with lots of “you get what you pay for” bullshit. May 02 18:15
twitter and smear May 02 18:15
twitter I got it here the other day from deamonFC who imagines that hard work and diligence on his part will overcome Window’s unique security problems. May 02 18:17
twitter He thought that Apple was little better than Windoze and that the main problem was the user. May 02 18:18
twitter and the old popularity argument kept coming up. May 02 18:18
schestowitz PR is the issue May 02 18:19
schestowitz Had Linux had PR it would show snazzy desktops May 02 18:19
schestowitz Gusarding the image of Linux May 02 18:20
twitter Telling people that I’ve made my family happy running nothing but free software for the better part of a decade seems to make an impact in person. May 02 18:20
schestowitz Many people think of Linux as Brown May 02 18:20
twitter GNU/Linux does have snappy desktops now. May 02 18:20
schestowitz Microsoft also characterrising the users/devs as people in basements. May 02 18:20
schestowitz This is not accidental May 02 18:20
twitter more smear May 02 18:20
schestowitz They use PR theory in reverse May 02 18:20
twitter it’s not working. May 02 18:20
schestowitz IT does May 02 18:20
schestowitz SOme people think FOSS is bad May 02 18:20
twitter I see cracks. May 02 18:21
schestowitz Even those who use Firefox May 02 18:21
schestowitz They don’t know it’s FOSS May 02 18:21
schestowitz We live in a world of imposed illusion May 02 18:21
schestowitz The first important step is admitting May 02 18:21
twitter Vista’s failure is widening the cracks May 02 18:21
schestowitz *this May 02 18:21
schestowitz Why do you think many people voted Obama and not Hillary? May 02 18:21
twitter Oh, I understand their poisoned perspective. May 02 18:21
schestowitz It’s all PR campaigns May 02 18:21
schestowitz The policies are pretty much the same over the years May 02 18:22
schestowitz Just slight deviations May 02 18:22
twitter there is little difference between O and H May 02 18:22
schestowitz Obama vs Clinton is like Mac vs PC May 02 18:22
twitter RMS backed a democrat with a better record. May 02 18:22
schestowitz One is young May 02 18:22
schestowitz The other perceived as corrupt and boring May 02 18:22
schestowitz RMS backs Nader May 02 18:22
schestowitz But after Bush he preferred Dems May 02 18:22
twitter Nader would have been better, but RMS spoke well of Kucinich (sp) May 02 18:23
schestowitz Yes May 02 18:23
schestowitz I like that chap too May 02 18:23
schestowitz He hates corruption May 02 18:23
schestowitz And he’s not shy talking about it May 02 18:23
twitter both would have been god May 02 18:23
schestowitz They need more of that May 02 18:23
twitter good May 02 18:23
twitter oh yes. May 02 18:23
schestowitz But such guys get smeared out of chance to be nominated May 02 18:23
schestowitz The stupid population too is turned off May 02 18:23
twitter the power of smear is going away thanks to the internet May 02 18:24
schestowitz Have Paul mention the great depression and people will vote for WHAT THEY WANT To beliueve May 02 18:24
schestowitz As if it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy May 02 18:24
schestowitz Want good economy? May 02 18:24
twitter they can’t “reach” people without broadcast. May 02 18:24
schestowitz Vote for the guy who was trained to repeat words like “hope” and “propsperity” and “children” May 02 18:24
twitter a good economy follows good ethics. May 02 18:24
schestowitz Want a “strong” leader.. strong like a truck? May 02 18:24
twitter no thanks May 02 18:25
schestowitz Then vote for Palin and McBush May 02 18:25
twitter that party sold itself out trading with China. May 02 18:25
schestowitz Broadcast=busienss May 02 18:25
schestowitz Corruption=busienss May 02 18:25
schestowitz I’m not saying busienss=Corruption May 02 18:25
schestowitz Although it can May 02 18:25
schestowitz But corruption comes from busienss May 02 18:26
schestowitz So they’ll give air time to those who support them May 02 18:26
schestowitz Support looting (aka bailout) May 02 18:26
twitter corruption ruins business May 02 18:26
schestowitz Support dergulation May 02 18:26
schestowitz Support STUPID Friedmanites (free market my arse) May 02 18:26
schestowitz “Curtis is also a fan of the open-source encyclopedia Wikipedia and writes: “Wikipedia and the Linux kernel are two of the best examples that free software and the free exchange of ideas can create superior things without any licensing fees. The mere existence of these gigantic products, without a gigantic company behind them, is proof that proprietary software is doomed.”” May 02 18:27
schestowitz http://www.wwj.com/B-ham-Nativ… B’ham Native, Ex-Microsoft Exec, Argues For Open Source May 02 18:27
schestowitz Worth pushing in Slashdot May 02 18:27
schestowitz “Curtis’ ideas about software are heresy for a former Microsoft Corp. executive. He says the days of proprietary software are numbered and companies like Microsoft are likely doomed — and that free open-source-code software will eventually run the world.” May 02 18:28
schestowitz We mailed each other a few times. He contacted me. May 02 18:28
schestowitz How is this praise/newsworthy? http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news… http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blo… May 02 18:34
schestowitz In other news, Yoggie the bear has halted farting May 02 18:34
schestowitz Apple 1 Microsoft 0 in the profit stakes  < http://www.tone.co.nz/news/4900/ap… > May 02 18:38
schestowitz The Apple vs Windows/MS articles are useless May 02 18:38
schestowitz Are people supposed to be excited by one bad company replacing a worse and far more criminal one? May 02 18:38
schestowitz What ever happend to ethics? May 02 18:39
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schestowitz Mcirosoft to Buy Some Blog Posts Praising Microsoft and/or Windows http://uk.sys-con.com/node/9… May 02 18:42
schestowitz Mad Hatter mentioned The Examiner earlier. I’ve always felt like it was a Microsoft fan site based on what they publish. Just out: http://www.examiner.com/x-1676-SF… May 02 18:43
schestowitz XCONOMY http://www.seattlepi.com/xconom… May 02 18:50
schestowitz So XCONOMY is plating ball for Microsoft. I can’t recall if they are related to the publication Mad Hatter mentioned May 02 18:51
schestowitz Global Dispatches: Sony Ericsson cuts 2000 more jobs < http://www.computerworld.com/action/articl… > May 02 18:57
schestowitz http://www.businessweek.com/magazin… “The search giant hopes to counter charges of monopoly abuse with a charm offensive ”  Does Google ABUSE its monopoly? May 02 18:59
schestowitz Another boot licker:  iLink To Co- sponsor And Present at the Upcoming Microsoft Developer Conference at NewYork http://www.powerhomebiz.com/… May 02 19:05
schestowitz amarsh04: the O’Gara shill writes: “Microsoft Cuts $3b Cloud Deal with EDS” If Maureen says something about Microsoft, I guess she knows. :-) May 02 19:14
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schestowitz EMC kisses with Ballmer again (Joe Tucci): Microsoft Exchange 2007 and EMC SourceOne: Unifying Platforms for Compliance, Storage Management and User Productivity < http://entmag.com/techlibrary/resour… > May 02 19:17
schestowitz The type is already totally GONE from this nonsense: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Messaging-and… “Microsoft has launched a new social Web application that one observer is calling the equivalent of Twitter plus Facebook on steroids.” May 02 19:26
schestowitz Microsoft Posts First Quarterly Profit Decline < http://www.financierworldwide.com/ar… > May 02 19:28
schestowitz Funny that they say nothing about Microsoft losing $18 billion in 1998 May 02 19:28
schestowitz IDG loves to troll. That’s why it warped SJVN’s headline and reposted: Microsoft, R.I.P.  < http://www.pcworld.com/business… > May 02 19:31
twitter I’m almost as sick of the phrase “on steroids” as I am of the phrase “going forward” May 02 19:34
schestowitz Yeah, I hate people who take em too May 02 19:35
schestowitz I just found out about another one this afternoon May 02 19:35
schestowitz A friend of mine who played national rugby May 02 19:35
schestowitz Turns out he doped too May 02 19:35
schestowitz I once argued online against steroids in some forums and got death wishes by E-mail for it May 02 19:36
twitter roid rage, lol May 02 19:37
schestowitz Yes, I know! :-) May 02 19:37
twitter ask Arnold and his quad bypass May 02 19:37
schestowitz The two friends I had who were taking that shit are no longer on it May 02 19:37
schestowitz Which is good May 02 19:37
schestowitz Actually, the rugby-playing friend also quit this sh*t. he’s training to be a pilot now May 02 19:38
schestowitz Mister McBain can afford bypassing. May 02 19:38
twitter it is good that people quit doping May 02 19:38
schestowitz Other just pass away when they are half his age May 02 19:38
schestowitz twitter: some get their first shock and quit May 02 19:38
schestowitz Like a friend of mine who passed out May 02 19:38
schestowitz Better small than dead May 02 19:39
twitter that’s quite a shock May 02 19:39
schestowitz I equate this to silicon boobs sometimes May 02 19:39
schestowitz Women create fauz standards May 02 19:39
schestowitz Like, look at bodybuilding contests May 02 19:39
schestowitz The whole thing is a contest for who can enchew the most hormones May 02 19:39
twitter don’t blame women for it May 02 19:40
schestowitz [or who can survuvice before going on stage] May 02 19:40
schestowitz Some people collapse on stage May 02 19:40
schestowitz twitter: I don’t blame women May 02 19:40
schestowitz Blame showbiz to an extent May 02 19:40
schestowitz The TV for example created artificial urges May 02 19:40
schestowitz Like consumerism, fashion, sex, money, alcohol. May 02 19:40
twitter hmmmm, “(11:51:37 AM) schestowitz: Women create fauz standards” May 02 19:40
schestowitz It’s hard for people to escape that control that’s mental. Very hrd May 02 19:41
schestowitz Esp. hard for people who crash ont he couch after a hard day’s work May 02 19:41
twitter yes May 02 19:41
schestowitz *faux May 02 19:41
schestowitz typo May 02 19:41
twitter I parse May 02 19:41
schestowitz Another thing is braces May 02 19:41
schestowitz We all have braces don’t we? May 02 19:41
schestowitz Like 50% of the kids in the ‘west’ May 02 19:42
schestowitz Those who don’t are then made ‘sub-standard’, where standard is something artificial May 02 19:42
twitter straight teeth have more than cosmetic benefits May 02 19:42
schestowitz The flawed-by-birth basline May 02 19:42
schestowitz *baseline May 02 19:42
twitter teeth that line up correctly last longer May 02 19:42
schestowitz OK May 02 19:42
twitter that’s good for people May 02 19:43
schestowitz It’s still a modification May 02 19:43
schestowitz Unlike a corrective one, e.g. hernia May 02 19:43
twitter so is having rotten teeth pulled May 02 19:43
schestowitz Eeeeeeew.. May 02 19:43
twitter braces can help prevent the damage before it happens May 02 19:43
schestowitz Well, my teeth are still in perfect shape [knock on wood] May 02 19:44
twitter I look forward to having my teeth in good working order for most of my life, my nice long life. May 02 19:44
schestowitz Microsoft is still denying MS phone May 02 19:44
schestowitz Humans could probably do without teeth May 02 19:45
schestowitz In a modern age May 02 19:45
schestowitz Monumental: Microsoft Windows, Office profits slip again < http://www.itvoir.com/portal/boxx/… > May 02 19:45
schestowitz Microsoft somehow hid the decline of XBox May 02 19:46
schestowitz Its lackeys came out with praises for XBox results May 02 19:46
schestowitz Finally I look closer and find out they wound up in a LOSS!!!!!! May 02 19:46
schestowitz After so many quarters of huge LOSSES May 02 19:46
schestowitz “Mixed results for Microsoft.” says one headline. No, these are _bad_ results May 02 19:47
schestowitz “Mixed” is what reporters say when they fear saying something negative May 02 19:48
schestowitz Very typical May 02 19:48
schestowitz It’s bad, but…….. we managed to find something decent, so overall we shall call it “mixed” May 02 19:48
twitter they believe that M$ is making rather than losing billions each quarter. May 02 19:48
twitter M$ is probably lying about real losses. May 02 19:49
schestowitz A cup of crap is not bad.. it’s “mixed”… cause it may contain nutrients. May 02 19:49
schestowitz For all I know they play a massive game May 02 19:49
schestowitz Part of the pyramic scheme and maybe a debt game May 02 19:49
schestowitz Smithers says they lost 18 billion in 2998 May 02 19:50
schestowitz How well could they do in 1999 May 02 19:50
schestowitz c’mon May 02 19:50
schestowitz *1998 May 02 19:50
twitter They had a cash pile back then, we think. May 02 19:50
schestowitz The mass closure of units should provide a clue.. There’s spinning out of equilibrium May 02 19:50
twitter They have admitted to depleting that cash pile now. May 02 19:50
schestowitz Microsoft is like the guy with the Ferraro and the boat May 02 19:50
schestowitz You envy thy neighbour with the boat and luxury car May 02 19:51
schestowitz Then one day some people pay a visit and take out the TV, the bed, everything! May 02 19:51
twitter until they have to sell it all, ha ha. May 02 19:51
schestowitz Turns out that Mr. Successful just had many credit cards from fraud-happy bankers May 02 19:51
twitter we shall see.  the decline in M$ propaganda is a good sign. May 02 19:51
schestowitz *Ferrari (typo) May 02 19:51
twitter Either they don’t have their message straight, or they are really out of money. May 02 19:52
schestowitz Windows Vista 7 is free now May 02 19:52
schestowitz How well can they do? May 02 19:52
schestowitz Intel says they have a steep challenge charging for Windows fanchise May 02 19:52
schestowitz Google Apps scared the bejesus out of them. May 02 19:53
twitter I wonder how many “software assurance” plans are not being renewed. May 02 19:53
schestowitz *franchise May 02 19:53
schestowitz twitter: it was bad enough in 2007 May 02 19:53
schestowitz Joe Wilcox covered it May 02 19:53
schestowitz He called it the coming storm May 02 19:53
twitter Wilcox is a spinner. May 02 19:53
twitter Reality is always worse than M$ tells you. May 02 19:53
twitter Worse for M$, that is. May 02 19:54
schestowitz “Netcraft: Microsoft Hosts Most Active Sites — The report comes on the heels of Netcraft’s most recent web server survey for April, which saw Apache as the most popular web server with a total of more than 106 million sites, followed by Microsoft-IIS’s 67 million and QQ’s nearly 29 million. …” May 02 19:54
schestowitz Article removed May 02 19:54
schestowitz It’s in my feeds reader May 02 19:54
neonfloss nice new look schestowitz May 02 19:54
schestowitz This may relate to my post about Netcraft selling out to Microsoft May 02 19:54
schestowitz neonfloss: front page? May 02 19:54
twitter not netcraft! May 02 19:54
twitter ahhhh! May 02 19:54
schestowitz I stopped citing them May 02 19:55
schestowitz The reality is FAR worse for MS May 02 19:55
neonfloss yea schestowitz May 02 19:55
schestowitz Something like FOSS: 80%, MS: 15% May 02 19:55
neonfloss the wikinspiration is nice :D May 02 19:55
schestowitz neonfloss: cool. Some people hated it. Well, one person at least May 02 19:55
schestowitz neonfloss: It’ll grow over time May 02 19:55
schestowitz I have plans for the wiki May 02 19:55
schestowitz It’s at least more informative to people who get sent there for wel……. boycott Novell May 02 19:56
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schestowitz Better than being greetied with a page with a post about OpenSUSE, Microsoft layoffs and arbitrary FOSS links by the tonnes. May 02 19:56
neonfloss it would be nice to have stories on front though May 02 19:57
neonfloss and a new article only rss feed owuld be good :p May 02 19:58
schestowitz I found alt’ link for the netcraft stuff: http://www.thewhir.com/web-hosting… May 02 19:59
schestowitz See what you think May 02 19:59
schestowitz The NHS locks itself in, being a slave of Microsoft, as always: NHS email moves to Microsoft Exchange < http://www.vnunet.com/computing/news… > May 02 20:00
schestowitz Microsoft is escaping tax through Ireland: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finan… May 02 20:03
schestowitz @mohanpram Microsoft is selling many things at a loss, e.g. XP (netbooks carry kickbacks), XBox 360… May 02 20:04
schestowitz [Just replied to this one person about XBox losses] May 02 20:04
schestowitz “His class turned in a 15-page dossier that included not only Scalia’s home address, home phone number and home value, but his food and movie preferences, his wife’s personal e-mail address and photos of his grandchildren, reports Above the Law.” http://www.schneier.com/blog/ar… May 02 20:05
schestowitz They did the same to Google’s CEO, Eric Schmidt May 02 20:06
schestowitz The Internet ends a lot of privacy. If your Web browser has a PR toolbar, then Google has a copy of your history file (plus a lot more) May 02 20:06
schestowitz And you can’t ever delete this data, either. They don’t offer this option May 02 20:06
schestowitz U.S. Steps Up Effort on Digital Defenses  < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/2… > The USian army prepared to hijack people’s PCs May 02 20:07
schestowitz twitter: how about this for a headline? This is Your Windows on Drugs < http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/0… > They said “drugs”, not “steroids” May 02 20:26
schestowitz “And while Maritz last week talked about the danger of “lock-in” with proprietary systems from other vendors” (ODG) May 02 20:31
schestowitz Look who’s talking. Maritz was caught for his lockin crimes at Microsoft May 02 20:31
schestowitz These people belong in jail but society does not lock up white-collar criminals, just shoplifters May 02 20:31
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schestowitz Google hires goat army for lawn maintenance < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/… > May 02 20:38
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schestowitz Microsoft has just dumped in Thailand May 02 20:42
schestowitz Again May 02 20:42
schestowitz http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/04/2… May 02 20:42
twitter Windows on drugs.  It kind of goes with the Conficker red tape story. May 02 20:43
twitter bad medicine May 02 20:43
twitter In that story, they say something like “these machines should never be connected to the internet,” instead of the more reasonable, “these machines should never run a home desktop OS.” May 02 20:44
twitter or “these machines should never run a second rate consumer OS like Windows.” May 02 20:44
mib_r7pngx schestowitz: can’t find the Microsoft/TomTom article. The link you gave on twitter is: http://ping.fm/fhq00 May 02 20:44
mib_r7pngx Btw. I am Marti (the ML2MST) ;-) May 02 20:45
*bgtr4 is trying to imagine how many schools for thailand is 2k May 02 20:46
schestowitz mib_r7pngx: which article? May 02 20:47
schestowitz Oh wait May 02 20:47
schestowitz BTW there are no filters May 02 20:47
schestowitz I was away when you cam earlier May 02 20:48
schestowitz twitter: like zombies on drugs May 02 20:48
schestowitz with their heads blowing up and all May 02 20:48
schestowitz and attacking DNS May 02 20:48
schestowitz marti, this is the post: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/02… May 02 20:49
twitter Windows, your computer on bad drugs.  The laughing toilet babies pretty much sums up the Windows 7 Story. May 02 20:50
mib_r7pngx schestowitz: the article about the M$/TomTom case. You wrote I as a Dutch man can do something against it. May 02 20:50
schestowitz We need to find out Dutch law May 02 20:50
schestowitz About TomTom and tax May 02 20:50
schestowitz Microsoft is lying May 02 20:50
schestowitz And you need to spread the message that TomTom paid very little May 02 20:50
mib_r7pngx schestowitz: will do everything I can to help Free Software. May 02 20:50
schestowitz Microsoft wants this information hidden May 02 20:51
schestowitz The more you spread it, the more common on factoid it become. It’s good for Linux. May 02 20:51
mib_r7pngx schestowitz: Microsoft is _ALLWAYS_ lying :-p May 02 20:51
schestowitz That the BizNiz(C) May 02 20:51
schestowitz Where’e Slated when I writer this? May 02 20:51
schestowitz *that’s * write; May 02 20:52
bgtr4 everybody is lying, but for m$ constant lying is a way of existance May 02 20:52
schestowitz Clinton: “I did not have sex with that woman” May 02 20:52
twitter not everyone is a liar. May 02 20:52
schestowitz Gates: “If you can’t make it good, make it look good” May 02 20:53
schestowitz Ballmer/Gates: Vista is a massive success May 02 20:53
schestowitz “We sold XX copies” May 02 20:53
twitter ha ha May 02 20:53
twitter back later dudes. May 02 20:53
schestowitz Do they keep track May 02 20:53
schestowitz Or only for the month when they stuff channels? May 02 20:53
schestowitz Same done with NPD (!! shills for hire !!) for xbox and zune May 02 20:54
schestowitz Channel stuffing 101 May 02 20:54
schestowitz They always use the same sequence of lies, for each product separately. May 02 20:54
schestowitz It’s like a cookbooks May 02 20:54
schestowitz Like those JamesP lecture May 02 20:54
neonfloss read last comment: http://download.cnet.com/8301-20… May 02 20:54
schestowitz BTW he put a mug in his MSN SPace May 02 20:54
schestowitz That’s Microsoft’s “theoretician” on astroturfing May 02 20:54
schestowitz “I’ve heard from 2 different friends that Ubuntu has given them deadly virus’ and I still am not convinced to download this ‘OS’.” May 02 20:55
schestowitz FUD May 02 20:55
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conte… May 02 20:56
schestowitz MS: “Ideally, use of the competing technology becomes associated with mental deficiency” May 02 20:56
schestowitz http://www.cnet.com/profile/X_Jason_X/ “My latest comments (showing 1 of 1)” May 02 20:56
schestowitz Well, welll… May 02 20:57
schestowitz New account, one comment…. May 02 20:57
schestowitz Comment says: “”I’ve heard from 2 different friends that Ubuntu has given them deadly virus’ and I still am not convinced to download this ‘OS’.” May 02 20:57
schestowitz call me a paranoid, but this could be a flamer, an MS partner, or an astrofluffer May 02 20:57
mib_r7pngx bgrt4: not all people are liars. Free Software Activist in general are the opposite of liars. May 02 20:57
mib_r7pngx bgrt4: that’s why we get personally attacked all the time by Microsoft Astroturfers. May 02 20:58
schestowitz Last magnet lowered into Large Hadron Collider < http://www.itwire.com/conte… > May 02 20:59
schestowitz mib_r7pngx: what are you, MAD? May 02 20:59
schestowitz [Tardon quark] May 02 20:59
schestowitz Microsoft: “Ideally, use of the competing technology becomes associated with mental deficiency” May 02 20:59
schestowitz Key point/takeaway message: make it seem like Linux users are pimple-faced kids with down syndrome May 02 21:00
schestowitz I wonder if this person is from TomTom (he’s Dutch): http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/02/g… May 02 21:01
schestowitz “Silicon Valley’s place as a centre of innovation and a major force in the global economy is waning.” < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-… > Centre of technology will stay some areas in far-east Asia May 02 21:02
schestowitz No venture capital in Silicon Valley. It’s drying up May 02 21:02
mib_r7pngx schestowitz: why am I “MAD”? or where you just quoting Tardon Q00k? May 02 21:09
mib_r7pngx LOL very creative “Tardon” :-) May 02 21:11
schestowitz yeah, more like Alton Towers May 02 21:13
schestowitz Offense or illness. May 02 21:13
schestowitz The goal is to tarnish the forums May 02 21:13
schestowitz BN is doing quite all right, even though there was no censorship. Sometimes there are spurts of trolling, but they come and go May 02 21:14
schestowitz PJ told me they are getting many trolls now “the best ones…” May 02 21:14
schestowitz Solaris ain’t dead, yet. http://www.internetnews.com/softw… Updates Solaris 10 Performance, Security May 02 21:16
schestowitz http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7319 May 02 21:20
schestowitz GNOME thinks of redoing the desktop like KDE did with KDE4: http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/63… May 02 21:27
schestowitz The Register has been pimping MSDN for a while. What have they done to a once-good publication? May 02 21:31
schestowitz Merck is evil. “Merck has paid $4.85 billion to U.S. Vioxx patients, but never admitted liability.” http://www.prwatch.org/node/8358 May 02 21:39
schestowitz Microsoft is using Silver Lie to suppress GNU/Linux adoption on the desktop: http://www.ozelwebtasarim.com/index.ph… May 02 21:50
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twitter The trolls at GL now have the same names at Slashdot Trolls.  They must think they have destroyed Slashdot and have moved on to more effective communities. May 02 21:50
twitter Silverlie is a double pincer for them.  It targets GNU/Linux and Google. May 02 21:51
schestowitz Any examples from Groklaw? May 02 21:52
twitter Nah, this is just a general observation from the last couple of days.  I can go look if you like. May 02 21:52
twitter going to look May 02 21:52
schestowitz PJ on Slashfot (you must read it): Quote of the Day: Why Not Slashdot < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/… > May 02 21:53
twitter SpaceLifeForm rings a bell …. http://www.groklaw.net/users.php?… May 02 21:58
twitter going to read PJ May 02 21:58
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twitter Yeah, that’s how they operate. May 02 22:01
twitter PJ seems to have paid attention.  It is interesting to see that once an astroturfer is recognized by the site owner, they drop the nym. May 02 22:02
twitter The people at Slashdot stuck to their experiment in community moderation and will continue to do so. May 02 22:03
twitter My view has long been that it is satisfying to see M$ wasting resources.  I’d rather they were an honest company but they are not. May 02 22:04
twitter If they are going to play astroturf games, it is best to bleed them white with them. May 02 22:04
twitter At the end of the day, M$ trolls can stand triumphant on the dung heap they have made of the target website.  They can keep it, because the community will have moved on and will come back when they are gone. May 02 22:05
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twitter This is not a game they can win. May 02 22:06
twitter The harder they try, the faster they lose. May 02 22:06
twitter I wonder how much it really costs them to make “Windows” a bigger search term than “God” or “Porn” May 02 22:07
twitter I once estimated from their quarterly reports that they put about a billion dollars a month into advertising and marketing. May 02 22:07
schestowitz We have some nynshifting shills May 02 22:09
twitter Ten new resources emerge for each they manage to destroy and the “news” services they purchase are losing money hand over fist. May 02 22:09
schestowitz LinuxToday gets the same one that recently hit us May 02 22:09
schestowitz He numshifts in LinuxToday too May 02 22:09
schestowitz Microsoft should be sued for it May 02 22:09
schestowitz Not just exposed May 02 22:09
schestowitz I have more posts coming about W-E May 02 22:10
schestowitz I have like 10 more posts lined up May 02 22:10
schestowitz Very ugly for the VOle May 02 22:10
twitter There are a lot of things M$ should be sued for.  They destroy business, put people out of work and steal their life’s savings and creations. May 02 22:10
twitter keep up the good work. May 02 22:10
twitter I’m off to do some things. May 02 22:11
twitter AFK May 02 22:11
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schestowitz *LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?… May 02 22:53
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the_mad_hatter I remember hearing that the Green Party of the United States switched to Free Software because of power saving issues, it might be worth checking out. May 02 23:11
the_mad_hatter also May 02 23:11
the_mad_hatter http://www.osor.eu/news/es-open-sour… May 02 23:12
the_mad_hatter ES: Open source community protests national plan for school PCs May 02 23:12
the_mad_hatter The Spanish free software association Hispalinux is protesting plans by the Spanish government to massively introduce Microsoft’s operating systems and applications on school computers. May 02 23:12
the_mad_hatter The battle begins <G> May 02 23:12
the_mad_hatter Microsoft offers secure windows to Government May 02 23:12
the_mad_hatter http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/… May 02 23:12
the_mad_hatter Bet is still gets hacked in no time. May 02 23:13
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schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/… < Is Netcraft Promoting Microsoft Just Like Net Applications?) May 02 23:29
schestowitz I mailed the Spanish lobby with information about MS in ES May 02 23:30
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