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Re: CVS

On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Ian Jackson wrote:

> I'm finding this whole discussion rather odd.  The burden of proof has
> been shifted - those of us who think that CVS isn't a good idea are
> coming up with objections, as if the absence of objections would mean
> that we ought to use it.
> 
> I think this neglects a very important question: what benefits does
> CVS give us, that can't be done with our existing system (perhaps with
> a small amount of extra work) ?
> 
> I'm getting a distinct impression of `CVS is a cool tool so we should
> use it'.  CVS is indeed a good and useful thing, but I think it's not
> the answer to any of our problems.  We shouldn't try to make use of
> every piece of software that we happen to like.
> 
> Ian.
> 

I agreed with Ian on this thought I didn't discourage other people to 
work on a way to implement new features on debian. If USERS can have 
choice between upgrading by binaries or by source, this can only make 
debian more attractive and useful. But for myself, I was a while with 
only a 500Mb HD and lot of extra stuff. Just compiling a kernel meant for 
me to backup some stuff on disks (ugly!) to have enough place. Hopefully, 
I didn't have to do it for other stuff like emacs or (worse!) gcc and 
that's why I took a package system in place of ~simply~ mirroring 
sunsite.

Another thing against a FreeBSD-like system : With the current 
installation scheme, it's easy to port debian to other unixes OS or 
distribution. I remember someone who says it working on a debian like 
tool for the cygnus GNU tools port on Win32. And I also looking forward 
for a ~Secure-special~ distribution based on Debian. The mainly simple 
and mostly independant format of the packages (both source and binaries) 
are essential for that.

Currently, I'm working on a way to do the samething with binaries 
packages. Some tries just prove me to keep it simple:
it just extracted/collected files from the one currently install, 
move/remove/rename/copy them and rebuild/install the new deb files.
I want to make it entirely configurable and may be using it

For the moment, I don't have time to put mush work on it, and I don't 
think I could have for the 1.3.0 release. We then might maintain a patch 
directory against the X.Y.0 release, helping CD maintainers to catch up, 
as for users to upgrade. I don't want to see it as a mandatory cause some 
package doesn't profit that's much of the tools, but some yes, especially 
multi-binaries large package such as XFree.

Sorry for the long mail and thanks to listen


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