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Re: slowing down point releases

On 31 Jul 1997, Rob Browning wrote:

> Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net> writes:
> 
> > It does if they can't get the product in their local book store. Because
> > the store will return all books that have an out-of-date CD in them, there
> > needs to be some shelf time for the product so that distributors have a
> > chance to make a profit. With a 4 week order cycle at the book store, by
> > the time the distributor can get the book on the shelves it is out of date
> > and gets returned.
> 
> I'm not saying you're wrong, and there are obviously commercial issues
> involved that I have (and want) little knowledge of, but when you buy
> the CD, you want the latest CD available.  If everyone's order cycle
> is 4-weeks, then that's the latest version you'll find at any store.
> If other stores have a shorter order cycle, they migh have a
> competitive advantage.
> 
> Are people really going to get bent out of shape if the CD in the
> store is 1.3.1.1 and 1.3.1.2's on the ftp site?  Generally you get a
> CD because you want to save the time/expense of downloading with the
> tradeoff being that you get a slightly older version.  If people can't
> handle that, what we really need is some smarter consumers.
> 
> Freely admitting that I may be missing the point.

No, you clearly got the point, but like the rest of us (myself included)
you point out that you don't want to reduce your lack of knowledge on the
subject. Our jobs here are to develop the software and that takes a
different mind set that should not be "bothered" by these considerations.

In the corporate world this is handled by the marketing department. I have
never worked in a company that the developers didn't purely hate the
sales/marketing department. This hatred is primarily based in the seeming
arbitrary demands that marketing tends to place on development teams. The
facts of the matter are that these two groups are working on fundamentally
different problems.

If we really want Debian to gain "Corporate" acceptance, but are unwilling
to understand, or cater to, the demands of that environment, then we will
continue to whine and bemoan the fact that this acceptance is not
forthcoming. We can't have it both ways. 

Not being a large corporation myself, my interests in these discussions is
not very financial. I have, however, been educated recently to the
non-technical difficulties that Debian has created for itself in these
potential marketplaces. They don't seem to be very hard to fix and we
don't have to compromise quality to do so.

Knowledge IS power, so don't avoid understanding unless you absolutely
have to.

Luck,

Dwarf
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