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Re: "purity" package

Hmm. Another one who has to demonize his opponent to kill fruitful debate
of the real issue?

> 	Morever, we have not dumped the cryptographic stuff. It is
>  still a part of the distribution, uncensored and all. 

I did not propose to dump purity.

> Christoph> Your metaphysical commitments will show somewhere
> Christoph> even if you are in denial that you make such commitments at
> Christoph> all.
> 
> 	Oh, so you don't think athiesm is possible at all? 

I think you mean agnosticism? Atheims is usually coming as a metaphysical
commitment. I think agnosticism is impossible. Without a shared
commitment to some basic metaphysical not provable assumptions you cannot
communicate at all.

> Christoph> Metaphysical (and therefore I would say religious)
> Christoph> commitments are necessary in order to be able to reason at
> Christoph> all.
> 
> 	I do not agree. (Unless you say that dismissing metaphysical
>  commitments as sheer bunk is a metaphysical commitment in itself, in
>  which case the information content of that statement drops to nil)

Disagree all you want. This is an established in literature about
reasoning and understanding (epistemology). Read Wittgenstein, Austin or
modern neuroscientists. Maybe you at least know Thomas Kuhn's "Scientific
Revolutions"?

> Christoph> Nietsche already knew that in the 19th century ....
> 
> 	Oh, *such* a valid source. Do you embrace nihilism too? 

What kind of reasoning is that? Nietsche is a recognized thinker who saw
issues clearly that only became clear to many of us in this century.

But assuming that when I say that Nietsche was right on one issue I accept
everything he said is rather naive.

This kind of primitive black and white thinking that I have seen
repeatedly is very destructive for real discussions on the debian mailing
lists. Something really frustrating about the Project lately.



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