| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : do u agree on asking such questions? | May 11 00:00 |
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| bgrt4 | _Hicham_, do you know the answer? | May 11 00:00 |
| bgrt4 | if yep, don't tell | May 11 00:00 |
| bgrt4 | only yes or no | May 11 00:00 |
| _Hicham_ | no, I don't | May 11 00:00 |
| oiaohm | http://www.tradekey.com/product_view/id/631563.htm << Yep where to order a square manhole cover. | May 11 00:00 |
| bgrt4 | why is manhole round... | May 11 00:00 |
| _Hicham_ | but there is plenty of articles about it | May 11 00:01 |
| bgrt4 | what's manhole? | May 11 00:01 |
| bgrt4 | may be i don't get it right | May 11 00:01 |
| oiaohm | You use a round manhole to cover a round hole. | May 11 00:01 |
| _Hicham_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhole_cover | May 11 00:01 |
| oiaohm | You use a square manhole to cover a square hole. | May 11 00:01 |
| _Hicham_ | there u go bgrt4 | May 11 00:01 |
| bgrt4 | i went | May 11 00:02 |
| _Hicham_ | u understand now what is a manhole cover? | May 11 00:02 |
| bgrt4 | lol, i know what's manhole | May 11 00:02 |
| bgrt4 | it's all ova our cars' roads | May 11 00:02 |
| _Hicham_ | bgrt4 : where are u from? | May 11 00:03 |
| bgrt4 | russia | May 11 00:03 |
| bgrt4 | there're no roads here | May 11 00:03 |
| bgrt4 | only directions | May 11 00:03 |
| bgrt4 | and plenty of asphalt | May 11 00:03 |
| bgrt4 | that doesn't help at all | May 11 00:03 |
| schestowitz | That was a good episidehttp://www.stanthecaddy.com/thestore/p/B000006A78 | May 11 00:04 |
| schestowitz | George drops his keyring in the manhole | May 11 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Then he drills it and the toilet explores | May 11 00:05 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : give us an answer since u r a mathematician | May 11 00:05 |
| schestowitz | I'm not | May 11 00:05 |
| bgrt4 | _Hicham_, the funny thing is that those manholes are above the road, not on it's level | May 11 00:05 |
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| _Hicham_ | really? | May 11 00:06 |
| bgrt4 | i'm matematician and software developer | May 11 00:06 |
| bgrt4 | ask me | May 11 00:06 |
| _Hicham_ | have u heard about Fermat's Last Theorem? | May 11 00:06 |
| bgrt4 | yup | May 11 00:06 |
| bgrt4 | so what? | May 11 00:07 |
| _Hicham_ | did u understand its demonstration? | May 11 00:08 |
| oiaohm | You know the fun bit around square manhole covers. They don't need to be welded in to stop race cars lifting them out road. | May 11 00:08 |
| bgrt4 | what do you mean by demonstration? | May 11 00:08 |
| oiaohm | So round manholes could be taken as mandoray speed limit. | May 11 00:08 |
| bgrt4 | omg... | May 11 00:08 |
| _Hicham_ | the proof | May 11 00:09 |
| bgrt4 | oiaohm, look at waht it looks like in russia | May 11 00:09 |
| bgrt4 | those manholes | May 11 00:09 |
| bgrt4 | they are above the road | May 11 00:09 |
| bgrt4 | so once you go on them you can break the car | May 11 00:09 |
| _Hicham_ | do u know Fermat's Last Theorem? | May 11 00:09 |
| bgrt4 | yup | May 11 00:09 |
| _Hicham_ | what is it? | May 11 00:10 |
| bgrt4 | a^n+n^n=c^n has no solutions for abc if n>2 | May 11 00:10 |
| bgrt4 | abc integers | May 11 00:10 |
| bgrt4 | n too | May 11 00:10 |
| _Hicham_ | exactly | May 11 00:11 |
| bgrt4 | yup | May 11 00:11 |
| bgrt4 | so waht | May 11 00:11 |
| _Hicham_ | now have u seen the proof? | May 11 00:11 |
| bgrt4 | there were proofs, not accepted though | May 11 00:11 |
| bgrt4 | one was rather tricky | May 11 00:11 |
| bgrt4 | but not funny or smth | May 11 00:11 |
| bgrt4 | and it didn't prove actually | May 11 00:11 |
| _Hicham_ | there was one from a PhD student in Princeton | May 11 00:11 |
| bgrt4 | but none of commission replied no | May 11 00:12 |
| _Hicham_ | I seen it on BBC Horizon | May 11 00:12 |
| bgrt4 | _Hicham_ | May 11 00:12 |
| bgrt4 | it's proven like the way like that: | May 11 00:12 |
| bgrt4 | someone produces the proof | May 11 00:12 |
| bgrt4 | commission looks at it for a year or so | May 11 00:12 |
| bgrt4 | and says no if it's wrong | May 11 00:12 |
| _Hicham_ | well, it was correct at the end | May 11 00:13 |
| bgrt4 | i'm pretty sure they're tired to look at that | May 11 00:13 |
| bgrt4 | _Hicham_, almost everyone of them look correct to us | May 11 00:13 |
| oiaohm | Nastist for car main hole I know of is a missing square one bgrt4 | May 11 00:13 |
| bgrt4 | don't tell me about main manholes | May 11 00:14 |
| bgrt4 | missing manhole is quite allright in russia | May 11 00:14 |
| bgrt4 | as well as disguised as allright missing manhole | May 11 00:14 |
| oiaohm | So you have a picture what the russia ones look like? | May 11 00:15 |
| bgrt4 | picture | May 11 00:16 |
| bgrt4 | i driven my car in russia | May 11 00:16 |
| bgrt4 | and i don't wanna do it again | May 11 00:16 |
| bgrt4 | i better sell it | May 11 00:17 |
| bgrt4 | and never ever ride again | May 11 00:17 |
| bgrt4 | it just sucks on the roads of russia | May 11 00:17 |
| bgrt4 | it's just like being both rules-wise and road-wise to drive a car | May 11 00:17 |
| oiaohm | http://bravosolutions.com/manhole_covers.php | May 11 00:17 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : did u try fedora 11? | May 11 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Nop _Hicham_ | May 11 00:18 |
| _Hicham_ | it seems very promising | May 11 00:18 |
| bgrt4 | oiaohm, it's light problem | May 11 00:18 |
| _Hicham_ | the boot time have been largely improved | May 11 00:18 |
| _Hicham_ | KMS is now better | May 11 00:18 |
| oiaohm | Boot time can still be cut more. | May 11 00:18 |
| _Hicham_ | but can generate problems also | May 11 00:18 |
| bgrt4 | yup, but intel cuts time to 2secs for netbooks | May 11 00:19 |
| bgrt4 | no? | May 11 00:19 |
| oiaohm | There is still a lot of locks and things slowing it down. | May 11 00:19 |
| bgrt4 | and even that they count as a failure | May 11 00:19 |
| oiaohm | Also gcc crap build executables are not helping. | May 11 00:19 |
| oiaohm | Under 2 secs for items like netbooks is possiable. | May 11 00:20 |
| bgrt4 | yup | May 11 00:20 |
| oiaohm | General all round OS needing cups and the like it can cause problems. | May 11 00:20 |
| oiaohm | About 8 secs should be possiable with everything cleaned up and no service reduction. | May 11 00:21 |
| oiaohm | At that point reading from the drive fast enough becomes a problem. | May 11 00:21 |
| bgrt4 | mkay | May 11 00:21 |
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| bgrt4 | _Hicham_, so what's about fermats' theorem | May 11 00:22 |
| oiaohm | Note 2 seconds intel is using flash media. | May 11 00:22 |
| the_mad_hatter | Roy, this is a good one | May 11 00:22 |
| the_mad_hatter | http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/05/thin-line-between-victim-and-idiot.html | May 11 00:22 |
| bgrt4 | is it really proved already or just in a waiting period of rejection | May 11 00:23 |
| bgrt4 | of proof | May 11 00:23 |
| bgrt4 | 'cause the one that proved it get pretty good amoung of money | May 11 00:23 |
| bgrt4 | amount* | May 11 00:24 |
| _Hicham_ | it is proved | May 11 00:24 |
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| bgrt4 | and as good as i know... noone proved it | May 11 00:24 |
| _Hicham_ | go to google video, and type "Fermat's Last Theorem" | May 11 00:24 |
| _Hicham_ | u will have a BBC Horizon video about it | May 11 00:25 |
| bgrt4 | it doesn't mean that it's proved | May 11 00:25 |
| bgrt4 | which year? | May 11 00:26 |
| bgrt4 | first one is 1996 | May 11 00:26 |
| bgrt4 | and it wasn't proved for at least 4 years more | May 11 00:26 |
| schestowitz | hi,. the_mad_hatter | May 11 00:28 |
| _Hicham_ | u r right | May 11 00:29 |
| _Hicham_ | I confused it with sthg else | May 11 00:29 |
| bgrt4 | come on | May 11 00:29 |
| bgrt4 | bbc horizon doesn't even search for Fermat's Last Theorem | May 11 00:30 |
| bgrt4 | even though there's some stuped feedback about math | May 11 00:31 |
| bgrt4 | concerning "Fermat's Last Theorem" | May 11 00:31 |
| bgrt4 | omg... i typed n instead of b in a^n+b^n=c^n | May 11 00:32 |
| bgrt4 | the funny thing about "Fermat's Last Theorem" is that there won't be proofs | May 11 00:35 |
| _Hicham_ | why? | May 11 00:35 |
| bgrt4 | idk | May 11 00:35 |
| bgrt4 | plenty of people tried, plenty of people trained to prove dat | May 11 00:35 |
| bgrt4 | no result | May 11 00:35 |
| bgrt4 | positive one | May 11 00:36 |
| bgrt4 | and math didn't go anywhere further to change anything | May 11 00:37 |
| bgrt4 | for DECADES | May 11 00:38 |
| _Hicham_ | well math has stalled | May 11 00:38 |
| _Hicham_ | there is no active research in mathematics | May 11 00:38 |
| _Hicham_ | only applied math | May 11 00:38 |
| bgrt4 | yup | May 11 00:38 |
| bgrt4 | it's kind of level it should fill | May 11 00:38 |
| schestowitz | the_mad_hatter: yes, good article | May 11 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Ken and I think in the same way | May 11 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Some with PJ and Moody | May 11 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Same themes | May 11 00:39 |
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| bgrt4 | _Hicham_, it's just not capable of yet | May 11 00:40 |
| bgrt4 | and some theorems can't be proved | May 11 00:41 |
| bgrt4 | like you can't prove that pi is not rational | May 11 00:42 |
| _Hicham_ | can u prove that pi is a constant? | May 11 00:42 |
| bgrt4 | it's constant | May 11 00:43 |
| bgrt4 | but it's irrational | May 11 00:43 |
| bgrt4 | for what all the world agree | May 11 00:43 |
| bgrt4 | not some state in usa | May 11 00:43 |
| bgrt4 | which thinks that pi=4 | May 11 00:44 |
| _Hicham_ | how can u prove it? | May 11 00:44 |
| bgrt4 | omg | May 11 00:44 |
| bgrt4 | that's the point | May 11 00:44 |
| bgrt4 | you can't prove it | May 11 00:44 |
| bgrt4 | people try to find it's rationality | May 11 00:45 |
| bgrt4 | but they fail | May 11 00:45 |
| bgrt4 | obviously | May 11 00:45 |
| bgrt4 | 'cause there's always smth irrational | May 11 00:45 |
| _Hicham_ | it is sthg like Euclid Postulate | May 11 00:45 |
| bgrt4 | you better name it | May 11 00:46 |
| bgrt4 | what it means | May 11 00:46 |
| bgrt4 | and i will understand what you mean | May 11 00:46 |
| bgrt4 | _Hicham_ which of euclid postulate did you mean? | May 11 00:49 |
| _Hicham_ | the first | May 11 00:49 |
| _Hicham_ | for two points of the plane, there is only one line that crosses them | May 11 00:50 |
| _Hicham_ | both | May 11 00:50 |
| bgrt4 | so the straight line segment can be drawn attaching any to points? | May 11 00:50 |
| bgrt4 | yeah, same | May 11 00:51 |
| bgrt4 | and waht about it | May 11 00:51 |
| _Hicham_ | it can't be proven | May 11 00:52 |
| bgrt4 | what? | May 11 00:52 |
| bgrt4 | postulates? | May 11 00:52 |
| bgrt4 | dude, don't make me laugh | May 11 00:52 |
| bgrt4 | they shouldn't be proven | May 11 00:52 |
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| bgrt4 | you're either with one set of postulates or another | May 11 00:53 |
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| _Hicham_ | maybe this Fermat's Theorem was just a joke from Fermat | May 11 00:54 |
| bgrt4 | those jokes are what sometimes helps people prove the minor fermats theorem | May 11 00:54 |
| bgrt4 | lol | May 11 00:54 |
| bgrt4 | no | May 11 00:54 |
| bgrt4 | it was right | May 11 00:54 |
| bgrt4 | and i can explain you in private why it was right | May 11 00:55 |
| bgrt4 | but that's not math | May 11 00:55 |
| bgrt4 | and you won't prove with dat | May 11 00:55 |
| _Hicham_ | it is what then? | May 11 00:55 |
| bgrt4 | pm | May 11 00:55 |
| _Hicham_ | why pm? | May 11 00:56 |
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| bgrt4 | _Hicham_, did you ignore me? | May 11 00:58 |
| _Hicham_ | no | May 11 00:58 |
| bgrt4 | strange | May 11 00:58 |
| _Hicham_ | I replied to u | May 11 00:58 |
| bgrt4 | wait | May 11 00:58 |
| bgrt4 | i reply | May 11 00:58 |
| schestowitz | The USD is no longer backed by gold !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cziN3gt-hic&feature=related | May 11 01:04 |
| benJIman | Heh hasn't been for ages. | May 11 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Yeah... like decades | May 11 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Haha. White house spokesman tells journalists she under clear instructions not to talk about the dollar and she'd get fired if she does. She says that. So pathetic. | May 11 01:11 |
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| _Hicham_ | wb oiaohm | May 11 01:15 |
| oiaohm | News is slow. | May 11 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: which news? | May 11 01:24 |
| schestowitz | I post some soon. | May 11 01:24 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro6OIgeGBC4&NR=1 | May 11 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Most of the news sites I watch. There is not much new stuff today. schestowitz | May 11 01:27 |
| bgrt4 | wow, i was to reply on smth | May 11 01:30 |
| bgrt4 | omg, it was private, i did | May 11 01:31 |
| bgrt4 | schestowitz, when did you find out that $ is no longer backed by gold? | May 11 01:31 |
| bgrt4 | for what i know... it was kinda 10-15 years | May 11 01:32 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: mommy's day | May 11 01:32 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they write for their moms and not the papers ;-p | May 11 01:32 |
| schestowitz | bgrt4: just a moment ago. I just didn't know. I didn't think it was (not wan't) | May 11 01:32 |
| schestowitz | *wasn't | May 11 01:33 |
| schestowitz | bgrt4: since the 70s I heard | May 11 01:33 |
| schestowitz | 71 | May 11 01:33 |
| bgrt4 | wow | May 11 01:33 |
| schestowitz | After another collapse | May 11 01:33 |
| bgrt4 | that's even more that i knew of | May 11 01:33 |
| schestowitz | So they may have floated it with the secretice federal reserve | May 11 01:33 |
| schestowitz | Let me find a bit of video for | May 11 01:33 |
| schestowitz | *you | May 11 01:33 |
| schestowitz | I find it funny | May 11 01:33 |
| bgrt4 | lol, usa is funny all the way | May 11 01:34 |
| bgrt4 | it's just a misaprehension, but it's worth reading lol (all ova it) | May 11 01:36 |
| bgrt4 | 's history | May 11 01:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=en-GB&v=T4rXx-xXeG8&NR=1&gl=GB#t=180 | May 11 01:36 |
| schestowitz | I added "#t=180" | May 11 01:36 |
| schestowitz | To seek into the right spot | May 11 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Some of the video is BS | May 11 01:36 |
| schestowitz | But watch what she says | May 11 01:36 |
| bgrt4 | the guy is talking straight, but she's talking as addicted to words | May 11 01:39 |
| bgrt4 | that's may be why she's not that spread | May 11 01:41 |
| schestowitz | It's funny who they have talking | May 11 01:42 |
| schestowitz | You present a beautiful lady only when there is a major fiasco. It's well known in PR | May 11 01:42 |
| schestowitz | They can't confront her | May 11 01:42 |
| bgrt4 | they are just funny | May 11 01:42 |
| bgrt4 | yeah, you can't confront a diahreea talking lady | May 11 01:43 |
| bgrt4 | you will have almost nothing to understand what she says | May 11 01:43 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm is silent | May 11 01:56 |
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| schestowitz | gn | May 11 02:00 |
| oiaohm | So far no good topics _Hicham_ | May 11 02:01 |
| _Hicham_ | good night schestowitz | May 11 02:01 |
| _Hicham_ | no news? | May 11 02:01 |
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| Balrog | new slashdot article | May 11 02:21 |
| Balrog | <http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/10/2147256&art_pos=2> | May 11 02:21 |
| Balrog | Lenovo on the future of the netbook | May 11 02:21 |
| Balrog | "The other challenge has been, in order to keep the price points down, a lot of people thought that Linux would be the savior of all of these netbooks. You know, there were a lot of netbooks loaded with Linux, which saves $50 or $100 or whatever it happens to be, based on Microsoft's pricing and, again, from an industry standpoint, there were a lot of returns because people didn't know what to do with it. Linux, even if | May 11 02:21 |
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| oiaohm | The guy is in really setting self up for a bashing. | May 11 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Linux will have multitouch as well. | May 11 02:31 |
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| Guest42156 | hi | May 11 02:51 |
| Guest42156 | I am confused about FAT | May 11 02:51 |
| Guest42156 | anyone there? | May 11 02:52 |
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| oiaohm | Confused in what way. | May 11 02:52 |
| oiaohm | Guest42156: ? | May 11 02:53 |
| Guest42156 | Years ago, The US patent office rejected MS patent on FAT. http://www.pubpat.org/Microsoft_517_Rejected.htm | May 11 02:53 |
| oiaohm | MS took out multiable patents on FAT covering different features of it. | May 11 02:54 |
| Guest42156 | Was that the basis of the lawsuite? | May 11 02:55 |
| oiaohm | That patent was the basic structs of FAT. | May 11 02:55 |
| oiaohm | That we can use. | May 11 02:55 |
| oiaohm | The problem Patent is on the long filename extention to FAT. | May 11 02:55 |
| Guest42156 | I guess the lawsuite was very technical.. | May 11 02:56 |
| oiaohm | Currently OIN is working on getting the last few FAT patents taken out. | May 11 02:56 |
| Guest42156 | Did not VFAT come out in 1980? Should that patent expire? | May 11 02:57 |
| oiaohm | Long filename support was only added in 1995. | May 11 02:57 |
| oiaohm | Before that FAT was limited to 8.3 filenames. | May 11 02:57 |
| Guest42156 | I thought WFW had it. | May 11 02:58 |
| Guest42156 | WFWG.. | May 11 02:58 |
| oiaohm | Windows 95 was the first with long filename support | May 11 02:58 |
| oiaohm | It was back hacked to WFWG. | May 11 02:58 |
| Guest42156 | Do other OS use the same LFN? | May 11 03:00 |
| oiaohm | Fat LFN design is fairly unique to the Fat filesystem. | May 11 03:00 |
| oiaohm | Most other OS's just used filesystems that truly supporte LFN. | May 11 03:01 |
| oiaohm | Not hacked it in. | May 11 03:01 |
| Guest42156 | I am surprised to find Tom Tom did not fight or seemed unprepared. | May 11 03:03 |
| oiaohm | Tomtom is a very small company. | May 11 03:04 |
| oiaohm | MS was surprised by the level of TomTom resistance. | May 11 03:04 |
| Guest42156 | too bad | May 11 03:04 |
| oiaohm | Joining OIN was not a move MS expected. | May 11 03:04 |
| oiaohm | Most of the Patents TomTom is not paying for. | May 11 03:04 |
| oiaohm | MS basically settled out. | May 11 03:05 |
| Guest42156 | what is OIN? | May 11 03:05 |
| oiaohm | http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/about.php | May 11 03:05 |
| oiaohm | A shared patent group Guest42156 | May 11 03:06 |
| oiaohm | Not something MS wantted to go head to head with. | May 11 03:06 |
| Guest42156 | thnx | May 11 03:06 |
| oiaohm | IBM Orcale and many others breathing down you neck at once would not be good for MS. | May 11 03:06 |
| Guest42156 | yes | May 11 03:07 |
| oiaohm | OIN is currently working on finding prior art to destroy the FAT patents. | May 11 03:08 |
| Guest42156 | good | May 11 03:08 |
| oiaohm | Any member of OIN can use OIN patents at no charge in exchange for an agreement not to attack Linux and its releated applications. | May 11 03:09 |
| oiaohm | OIN is basicallly Linux war chest of patents. | May 11 03:09 |
| oiaohm | Software companies have not though this threw yet. Releasing application on Linux give you quite large patent protection. | May 11 03:12 |
| Guest42156 | All FAT patents should be challenged in Patent Office court. | May 11 03:12 |
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| oiaohm | That is what OIN is lining up to do Guest42156 | May 11 03:12 |
| Guest42156 | good | May 11 03:12 |
| oiaohm | OIN decided not to use the War chest this time. | May 11 03:13 |
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| Guest42156 | ok good bye | May 11 03:14 |
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| schestowitz | Morning... I'll do some quick posts | May 11 08:13 |
| oiaohm_ | http://www.ipjur.com/blog2/index.php?/archives/71-PCT-II-A-Step-Towards-A-World-Patent.html To those who had the idea that the patent system could not get worse. | May 11 08:21 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm_: there's also ACTA | May 11 08:37 |
| schestowitz | Where did you find the URL? | May 11 08:37 |
| oiaohm_ | groklaw | May 11 08:38 |
| oiaohm_ | I fear that what ever system comes up world wide might be come patent pass around with no way to find who has to be contacted to nuke a patent. | May 11 08:39 |
| MinceR | j0 | May 11 09:12 |
| schestowitz | Is Microsoft Blocking the United Kingdom’s Free Software Policy by Dumping? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/11/microsoft-dumps-on-uk-public/ | May 11 09:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Nagy is cited | May 11 09:13 |
| MinceR | where? | May 11 09:13 |
| schestowitz | Bottom | May 11 09:21 |
| schestowitz | Egg treatment | May 11 09:21 |
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| schestowitz | Will Microsoft Sign an MOU with Indonesia? < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/11/microsoft-mou-with-indonesia/ > | May 11 09:29 |
| MinceR | oh. | May 11 09:30 |
| MinceR | the egg treatment didn't and won't stop the dealings | May 11 09:30 |
| MinceR | more drastic measures are necessary | May 11 09:30 |
| ushimitsudoki | Heh. Miguel answered my 3 questions on Ars. I have to work on a response. | May 11 09:36 |
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| schestowitz | Reader’s Article: The Microsoft Patent Threat to ODF http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/11/ms-patent-threat-to-odf/ | May 11 09:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what do you propose? | May 11 09:55 |
| MinceR | that depends on what's at our disposal | May 11 09:55 |
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| schestowitz | mib_kvfmhn: disposal bin | May 11 10:32 |
| schestowitz | * MinceR | May 11 10:32 |
| schestowitz | You know who loves dumpster diving (For code)? | May 11 10:33 |
| schestowitz | IBM’s Missed Opportunity to Help Free Software < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/11/ibm-and-software-patents/ > | May 11 10:33 |
| MinceR | in that case, the only thing we can do is stuff that disposal bin with people :> | May 11 10:36 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, Roy, | May 11 11:02 |
| schestowitz | This valuable link is dead, again. | May 11 11:02 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/threatchaos/?p=311 | May 11 11:02 |
| schestowitz | You've been in contact with Richard Stiennon, wasn't that updated a | May 11 11:02 |
| schestowitz | while ago?" | May 11 11:02 |
| schestowitz | Dead trail again | May 11 11:02 |
| schestowitz | Valuable truths about Microsoft just vanish | May 11 11:02 |
| schestowitz | Just the Big Lies remain (Linux ic CLI, under 1%, etc.) | May 11 11:02 |
| schestowitz | On Microsoft’s Software Patents and ODF Fragmentation < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/11/microsoft-odf-fragmentation/ > | May 11 11:09 |
| schestowitz | I think it might be helpful to set up an index about Micro/Vell's actions in different countries across the world, maybe an imagemap | May 11 11:33 |
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| _Hicham_ | hi oiaohm | May 11 11:52 |
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| PetoKraus | hello lads | May 11 12:05 |
| PetoKraus | i would like to ask you what do you think about this: | May 11 12:05 |
| PetoKraus | http://pk.gjhak.sk/old/.storage/infiniti.pdf | May 11 12:05 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | May 11 12:06 |
| schestowitz | Gandalf | May 11 12:07 |
| PetoKraus | aye | May 11 12:07 |
| PetoKraus | sounds professional | May 11 12:07 |
| PetoKraus | :D | May 11 12:07 |
| schestowitz | Scary morelike | May 11 12:07 |
| PetoKraus | well, that was 6 years ago | May 11 12:08 |
| PetoKraus | ok, 5 | May 11 12:08 |
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| Eruaran | FUD from the Sydney Morning Herald: | May 11 12:22 |
| Eruaran | http://digihub.smh.com.au/node/560 | May 11 12:23 |
| schestowitz | I think I saw it before | May 11 12:25 |
| schestowitz | He published it in another AU place | May 11 12:25 |
| schestowitz | Turner | May 11 12:25 |
| schestowitz | Some Drpual blog | May 11 12:26 |
| schestowitz | Was it Adam Turner? | May 11 12:26 |
| Eruaran | yes | May 11 12:26 |
| Eruaran | no one who commented was impressed | May 11 12:27 |
| schestowitz | Will Windows 7 kill Linux on the netbook? < http://www.pcauthority.com.au/BlogEntry/144382,will-windows-7-kill-linux-on-the-netbook.aspx > | May 11 12:27 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, that's him | May 11 12:27 |
| schestowitz | Rhyming along with Microsoft | May 11 12:27 |
| Eruaran | ah yes | May 11 12:27 |
| schestowitz | keyword: linux, kill, netbook | May 11 12:27 |
| Eruaran | a paid FUDster | May 11 12:27 |
| schestowitz | Mix and match, change order od words, etc. | May 11 12:28 |
| schestowitz | I think he used to be in itwire | May 11 12:28 |
| schestowitz | That's astupid thing to say | May 11 12:28 |
| schestowitz | Vista failed to even be installed on these things | May 11 12:28 |
| schestowitz | Benchmarks show that it can't run properly | May 11 12:29 |
| schestowitz | So people will run back to XP again | May 11 12:29 |
| schestowitz | No profit for MS | May 11 12:29 |
| Eruaran | we got one on saturday | May 11 12:29 |
| schestowitz | Just kickbacks (=losses) | May 11 12:29 |
| schestowitz | Or a SLOW OS running just 3 processes | May 11 12:29 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft has dug its claws into our corrupt education system again | May 11 12:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=adam+turner+itwire&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | May 11 12:29 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, that's him. | May 11 12:29 |
| schestowitz | Good riddance to him | May 11 12:29 |
| Eruaran | Victorian schools are using Lenovo netbooks with Vista on them | May 11 12:29 |
| schestowitz | But he landed in other places | May 11 12:29 |
| schestowitz | Alex also left itwire | May 11 12:29 |
| schestowitz | It would seem so anyway | May 11 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Another anti-lInux Microsoft advertiser | May 11 12:30 |
| Eruaran | Ive seen them | May 11 12:30 |
| schestowitz | All coverages about MS. Like Ina Shiels | May 11 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Or Friedshill | May 11 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Lenovo is a friend of Microsoft | May 11 12:30 |
| Eruaran | yes | May 11 12:31 |
| schestowitz | They have MS employees in Lenovo | May 11 12:31 |
| schestowitz | WHich is ironic because of the IBM genesis | May 11 12:31 |
| Eruaran | This is Lenovo: http://localtechwire.com/business/local_tech_wire/news/story/5121988/ | May 11 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Adam Turner - Freelance Technology Journalist: http://www.adamturner.com.au/ | May 11 12:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+lenovo&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en | May 11 12:32 |
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| Eruaran | On his blog he calls for the consumer watchdog to take Optus to task | May 11 12:36 |
| Eruaran | He's hardly in a position to speak for consumers | May 11 12:36 |
| Eruaran | He's a paid Microsoft whore | May 11 12:36 |
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| NZheretic | Re: On Microsoft’s Software Patents and ODF Fragmentation | May 11 12:38 |
| NZheretic | Prior Art, first on XML mailing lists ... | May 11 12:38 |
| NZheretic | Compound Documents as directories stored in zip files | May 11 12:38 |
| NZheretic | http://mailman.ic.ac.uk/pipermail/xml-dev/1999-February/009122.html | May 11 12:39 |
| NZheretic | AFAIK it predates all Microsoft XML related patents. | May 11 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Hi, NZheretic | May 11 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: whose blog? Adam's?? | May 11 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Does he pimp the anti-Google camp? | May 11 12:44 |
| Eruaran | his site | May 11 12:44 |
| schestowitz | He bashed Linux in ITWire | May 11 12:45 |
| Eruaran | If he's a Microsoft shill (of course he is) then if he hasn't already, then I expect he will. | May 11 12:45 |
| schestowitz | I can't recall him ever being critical of Microsoft | May 11 12:45 |
| schestowitz | You could check his posing history | May 11 12:45 |
| schestowitz | You can see posts by author lined up | May 11 12:46 |
| Eruaran | yes | May 11 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | It says somethiing about convictions | May 11 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Not shilling, but basically his party line | May 11 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Like you could pick mine in Datamation and see too.I don't hide it. | May 11 12:46 |
| schestowitz | NZheretic: "Wed Feb 3 12:43:18 GMT 1999" | May 11 12:47 |
| schestowitz | What data did Microsoft file for a patent on it? | May 11 12:47 |
| schestowitz | What is the significance of this discussion from XML developers (Imperial College)? Could a Microsoft patent be invalidated? That would be symbolically important. | May 11 12:49 |
| NZheretic | http://www.xml.org/xml-dev | May 11 12:52 |
| NZheretic | http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/199902/msg00101.html | May 11 12:52 |
| NZheretic | ^^^ Same email | May 11 12:52 |
| NZheretic | XML Devel was the primary development mailing list for XML in the 1990s. | May 11 12:53 |
| NZheretic | "XML-DEV was created in January 1997 by Prof. Peter Murray-Rust of the University of Nottingham (UK) and Dr. Henry Rzepa of Imperial College (UK) and was managed and operated by them with the help of resources generously donated by Imperial College until February 2000, when operation of the list was transferred to OASIS. The efforts of Prof. Murray-Rust and Dr. Rzepa played a critical role in the evolution of structured information standards. | May 11 12:54 |
| NZheretic | XML-DEV was the key resource for coordinating software development while the XML specification itself was in draft. Over the years, many important resources have resulted from XML-DEV. One of the most significant contributions was the development of the SAX API for XML parsers, constructed by more than 100 members on the list and coordinated by David Megginson. SAX is now universally accepted as a de facto standard. " | May 11 12:54 |
| schestowitz | SUSE had sax2 :-) | May 11 12:56 |
| NZheretic | See also July October 2000 for the dumped xml-packaging mailing list | May 11 13:00 |
| NZheretic | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-packaging/ | May 11 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | When did Microsoft patent the related 'invention'? | May 11 13:12 |
| NZheretic | schestowitz: Not sure. Their Embedding binary object in HTML ( Note not XML ) predates my email, but does not mention using zip/archive at all ... | May 11 13:16 |
| NZheretic | http://www.google.com/patents?id=k2gNAAAAEBAJ | May 11 13:16 |
| NZheretic | See "what kind of file ..." | May 11 13:19 |
| NZheretic | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-packaging/2000Jul/0009.html | May 11 13:19 |
| NZheretic | "So what format for that single file?" | May 11 13:20 |
| schestowitz | I see........ | May 11 13:24 |
| NZheretic | Also encoding binary objects in text formats ( as per the Microsoft HTML patent ) ignores a decade of prior art in the form of the USENET binary groups ;-). | May 11 13:27 |
| NZheretic | I have to log out shortly, any questions before I go? | May 11 13:31 |
| oiaohm_ | HTML is cut down XML. | May 11 13:34 |
| MinceR | what | May 11 13:35 |
| NZheretic | HTML is not valid XML , same origins from SGML but HTML format predates XML. | May 11 13:35 |
| NZheretic | XHTML is valid XML, HTML is not. | May 11 13:36 |
| oiaohm_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGML | May 11 13:37 |
| oiaohm_ | Read SGML | May 11 13:37 |
| oiaohm_ | XML is a direct subset of it. | May 11 13:37 |
| oiaohm_ | HTML is a subset cut back even more than XML. | May 11 13:38 |
| MinceR | from "B is a subset of A", "C is a subset of A" and "C is smaller than B", doesn't follow that "C is a subset of B". | May 11 13:38 |
| NZheretic | "HTML uses this SGML default syntax." but "XML is a subset of SGML" , HTML is not valid XML and HTML is an application format, XML is just a format. | May 11 13:39 |
| schestowitz | NZheretic: I ca write about this | May 11 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Though I'm not sure what contribution this will have towards invalidating claims | May 11 13:40 |
| NZheretic | schestowitz : Sure , go ahead. | May 11 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. | May 11 13:41 |
| NZheretic | oiaohm_ : Remember that I was around when XML was being battled out on the mailing lists in the 1990s, I know the difference. | May 11 13:42 |
| oiaohm_ | So was I. | May 11 13:42 |
| oiaohm_ | I normally don't quote SGML because most knew people don't know it. | May 11 13:42 |
| oiaohm_ | XML they more identify. | May 11 13:42 |
| oiaohm_ | I would suspect some of the transfer formats will have embed binary transfer predating MS claims. | May 11 13:43 |
| NZheretic | oiaohm_ : Then you should know that HTML is not XML! | May 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | BN is all XHTML | May 11 13:44 |
| NZheretic | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fboycottnovell.com%2F&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0&verbose=1 | May 11 13:47 |
| NZheretic | "Errors found while checking this document as XHTML 1.0 Transitional!" | May 11 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Ogg | May 11 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | The Wiki is another issue | May 11 13:53 |
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| trmanco | Researchers Release Bootkit Code Targeting Windows 7: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Researchers-Release-Bootkit-Code-Targeting-Windows-7-646515/ | May 11 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Yes, got it last week | May 11 14:22 |
| schestowitz | It's "open-source" | May 11 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Those dem commies | May 11 14:23 |
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| oiaohm_ | I wish tpmkit had not been pulled. | May 11 14:41 |
| oiaohm_ | It broke 2007 tpm system. | May 11 14:42 |
| schestowitz | tpm?? | May 11 14:48 |
| oiaohm_ | Trusted computer module. | May 11 14:48 |
| oiaohm_ | There were some alterations in latter version to make the attack harder. | May 11 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, it Linux... TPM... :-( | May 11 14:52 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz, long time ago i saw a video on TPM from againsttcpa.org, where can i get it? | May 11 15:01 |
| zer0c00l | i guess you posted it in BN | May 11 15:02 |
| zer0c00l | can i get that file link? | May 11 15:04 |
| schestowitz | ogg? | May 11 15:05 |
| zer0c00l | yaaa | May 11 15:06 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, yes | May 11 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Linked from here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/03/linux-tivoization/ | May 11 15:06 |
| zer0c00l | ok | May 11 15:06 |
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| trmanco | hehe | May 11 16:09 |
| trmanco | high system load here on my system today :) | May 11 16:09 |
| trmanco | just copying some big files | May 11 16:09 |
| trmanco | 3 at a time | May 11 16:09 |
| tacone | trmanco: botnets doing their duty finally | May 11 16:09 |
| trmanco | 6 load | May 11 16:09 |
| trmanco | tacone, my computer isn't under a botnet | May 11 16:10 |
| tacone | who knows. | May 11 16:10 |
| trmanco | I know | May 11 16:10 |
| trmanco | :-p | May 11 16:10 |
| tacone | O:-) | May 11 16:10 |
| trmanco | I finally finished thunderbird integration with the gnome system | May 11 16:12 |
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| bgtr4 | so now it's thundergnome | May 11 16:38 |
| trmanco | yeah, sort of :-P | May 11 16:38 |
| trmanco | I have those new Ubuntu notifications integrated with thunderbird and I also have clock/calender applet one way sync with evolution server | May 11 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | I found out why the CNET article vanished | May 11 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Balrog might wish to know | May 11 16:51 |
| schestowitz | CNET told me: | May 11 16:51 |
| Balrog | ...why? | May 11 16:51 |
| schestowitz | "This was a wire story that we had permission to post but not to keep in our archive (I can't remember if it was Reuters, AP, or Bloomberg--it was a long time ago and I can't remember which wire service we were using at the time, but they all have similar restrictions). So it wasn't anything to do with mischief or amnesia or linkrot, just time-expired publication rights." | May 11 16:51 |
| schestowitz | "Thanks for actually asking us rather than presuming it was something nefarious. I'll let the editors know we could use a more informative note on our pages about such expired articles, though." | May 11 16:51 |
| Balrog | ahh. then tay that! | May 11 16:51 |
| schestowitz | I am going to write about something similar though | May 11 16:51 |
| Balrog | yes, that's what I meant | May 11 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Another vanishing aritcle | May 11 16:51 |
| Balrog | also they should put a citation to the original | May 11 16:52 |
| Balrog | so that those who reference it in their scholarly works can get back to it | May 11 16:52 |
| Balrog | (even if it costs a bit) | May 11 16:52 |
| libervisco | I just wrote something if anyone's interested.. | May 11 16:52 |
| Balrog | This article *was* referenced in several scholarly works and theses | May 11 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | libervisco: go ahead | May 11 16:54 |
| libervisco | it's something I've been talking about in another channel.. http://www.nuxified.org/article/linux_not_os | May 11 16:54 |
| libervisco | it's really hard to take "Linux" as a singular thing.. when it so clearly isn't.. so yea comments welcome :) | May 11 16:55 |
| schestowitz | As RMS puts it, it's a program | May 11 16:55 |
| schestowitz | A very large and unique program | May 11 16:55 |
| libervisco | yeah, but that's not what I mean :) | May 11 16:55 |
| libervisco | it's not a matter of recognizing Linux is the name of a kernel.. it's more speaking of it the way most people mean it.. when they say "Linux" they mean an entire OS, and it can't even be that.. not even "GNU/Linux" can | May 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | This whole Adobe cr*p is pissing me off | May 11 16:56 |
| Balrog | ...Adobe? | May 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | And I can't be bother mailing stuff my snail mail | May 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yeah.. | May 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | For EPO | May 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | > Dear Sir, | May 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | > > | May 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | > > in case you would like your statement being published, you should file a | May 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | > > signed document, perhaps by e-mail | May 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Hi, | May 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | I've spent a lot of time trying to get this done in Reader < | May 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | http://help.adobe.com/en_US/Reader/8.0/help.html?content=WS58a04a822e3e50102bd615109794195ff-7d48.html#WS58a04a822e3e50102bd615109794195ff-7d46 | May 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | > >, but it's really beyond me. The intructions did not help me. | May 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Waste of time | May 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01 pushed me to it | May 11 16:56 |
| Balrog | EPO? | May 11 16:57 |
| Balrog | <http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/11/ms-patent-threat-to-odf/> | May 11 17:00 |
| Balrog | please re-read the 42 patents vs. 45 patents | May 11 17:01 |
| Balrog | I see only 45 as correct | May 11 17:01 |
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| jocaferro | Have you seen this - http://247wallst.com/2009/05/11/why-is-microsoft-selling-5-10-and-30-year-debt-msft/ | May 11 17:10 |
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| Omar87 | Hi | May 11 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | "When you have somewhere around $30 billion of cash and liquidity listed on the books, you have to wonder what this is for. Maybe Microsoft has found a new large business it can buy without running into regulatory issues. Maybe." | May 11 17:22 |
| schestowitz | What do you make of it? | May 11 17:22 |
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| trmanco | plonk means in a short form to killfile someone right? | May 11 17:26 |
| schestowitz | plonk is the sound | May 11 17:27 |
| schestowitz | When you toss em in the bucket | May 11 17:27 |
| trmanco | but it could also mean -> put lamer on killfile or Please Leave Our Newsgroup: Killfile! right? | May 11 17:30 |
| trmanco | I'm reading wikipedia's page about it | May 11 17:31 |
| trmanco | *plonk* | May 11 17:31 |
| trmanco | :-) | May 11 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Did Tesco upgrade to Vista today? | May 11 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Someone tells me that "Tesco tills go titsup" | May 11 17:36 |
| schestowitz | "Tesco's nationwide till system failed this morning, leaving the | May 11 17:36 |
| schestowitz | country's biggest retailer able to sell only via self-service | May 11 17:36 |
| schestowitz | checkouts. | May 11 17:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/11/tesco_tills/ | May 11 17:36 |
| schestowitz | No need to guess what crapware it runs on. :) " | May 11 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | "According to PA, about 100 stores are affected, and the problems are being rectified by rebooting the checkouts." Hehe... yes, Windows, I suppose | May 11 17:38 |
| Balrog | apple was using Windows Mobile for checkouts in their stores until recently | May 11 17:44 |
| schestowitz | "Until recently..." what do they use now? | May 11 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Maggie Shiels from the MSBBC seems to have become Microsoft's new PR person in the Beeb | May 11 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Wolfram Alpha Launch Draws Near < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/05/11/wolfram-alpha-launch-draws-near > Probably overhyped | May 11 17:56 |
| Omar87 | Hi all | May 11 18:00 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Overhyped? | May 11 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Put the whole of Wikipedia on your iPhone, or iPod Touch < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/24959/1055/ > Why should HTML be device-specific? | May 11 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, just another site with info | May 11 18:00 |
| schestowitz | it's not s search engine per se | May 11 18:00 |
| Omar87 | Yeah, I agree with that. | May 11 18:00 |
| schestowitz | That would be like calling Wikipedia a search engine | May 11 18:00 |
| schestowitz | 'New' | May 11 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Wolfram Alpha is not exactly new, either. They have had material for many years | May 11 18:01 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Some people think it might even take Google out. :_ | May 11 18:01 |
| Omar87 | :) | May 11 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Liek Cuil | May 11 18:02 |
| Omar87 | Personally, I don't think it can even take Wikipedia out. | May 11 18:02 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Execuse me? | May 11 18:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cuil.com/ | May 11 18:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cuil.com/search?q=omar87 | May 11 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Wow. | May 11 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Google killa! | May 11 18:03 |
| Omar87 | lol | May 11 18:03 |
| tacone | http://www.cuil.com/search?q=novell | May 11 18:06 |
| schestowitz | According to this about OOo 3.1 < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/11/openoffice_3_dot_1_review/ > "So should you upgrade? That depends. Windows users looking forward to the performance gain, and some nice collaboration improvements will be happy with the update. For Linux users, though, it's probably not worth the effort to upgrade ahead of your distro." | May 11 18:11 |
| schestowitz | There are many good new features though. He misses them. | May 11 18:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/11/brown_makeup_taxi/ "Prime Minister Gordon Brown acquired another light dusting of woe when his make-up bag was left in the back of a taxi last week." | May 11 18:14 |
| tacone | i guess he referred to the every 6 month released linux | May 11 18:14 |
| schestowitz | What's this image that Cuil picked for BN? | May 11 18:14 |
| schestowitz | I think it's Fedora without Mono | May 11 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Cambridge | May 11 18:15 |
| tacone | who knows | May 11 18:15 |
| schestowitz | I heard about Brown and makeup | May 11 18:15 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine saw his when he stayed near the gym where I go | May 11 18:16 |
| *tacone renews the request of removing the blue table of contents from the main page | May 11 18:16 | |
| schestowitz | He has people just combing his hair all day | May 11 18:16 |
| schestowitz | He's like a queen | May 11 18:16 |
| schestowitz | tacone: oh, the Wiki? | May 11 18:16 |
| tacone | yes, remove the blue boxes | May 11 18:17 |
| tacone | they link to anchors on the same page. | May 11 18:17 |
| tacone | that should be easily doable by editing the main page wiki-source | May 11 18:17 |
| schestowitz | I thought you mean in daily links | May 11 18:17 |
| schestowitz | I see now | May 11 18:17 |
| tacone | wait, i don't see the blue boxes anymore | May 11 18:18 |
| tacone | guess you already did. | May 11 18:18 |
| tacone | *blushes* yes it's fine now. | May 11 18:18 |
| schestowitz | done | May 11 18:18 |
| tacone | ok. even nicer. | May 11 18:19 |
| tacone | as a side request, even the left column (navigation etc) could be better positioned (something in the header, something in the footer). but that's for later or maybe never, as it requires to hack the wiki theme. | May 11 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft attacks Google: Microsoft to EU: Cut me down, and Google will rule the world! < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/11/ms_slings_rocks_at_google/ > | May 11 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Google only annoyed me for two reasons I can think of: 1) it lobbies a lot; 2) it got caught astroturfing on the Web for coverage | May 11 18:21 |
| tacone | better to be ruled by google than by microsoft, btw. | May 11 18:21 |
| schestowitz | YEah. | May 11 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Barclays to lay off more tech staff < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/11/barclays_job_cuts_again/ > | May 11 18:22 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: might like this: Apple: No Jesus on the Jesus Phone < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/11/iphone_nonsense/ > | May 11 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | Windows-only support for the bully that attacks FOSS (Reuters): New EndNote Version Compatible with OpenOffice; Zotero Contributors Served Subpoenas < http://ostatic.com/blog/new-endnote-version-compatible-with-openoffice-zotero-contributors-served-subpoenas > | May 11 18:30 |
| MinceR | http://legendgrafix.buzz.hu/archives/2009/05/11/Windows_Seten/ | May 11 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Debian can be delicious... http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/chocodebian | May 11 18:35 |
| schestowitz | AMD Radeon HD 4770 On Linux < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_hd4770&num=1 > | May 11 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Apple won't like this: Analyst forecasts 900% Android phone sales growth < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/05/11/strategy_analyitcs_android/ > | May 11 18:38 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i think they missed a template with a picture of jobs | May 11 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Troll headline: Which Distros Would You Use If Ubuntu Vanished? http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/features/article.php/3819641/Which-Distros-Would-You-Use-If-Ubuntu-Vanished.htm | May 11 18:42 |
| MinceR | debian | May 11 18:44 |
| MinceR | :> | May 11 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Mono cartel: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/08/ubuntu-mono-motu/comment-page-1/#comment-63355 | May 11 18:44 |
| tacone | no, he's not | May 11 18:45 |
| tacone | I know him. | May 11 18:45 |
| schestowitz | "The first beta of MonoDevelop has just been released! I'm really excited on seeing a beta release of MD after so much time working on it, because it means that:" http://foodformonkeys.blogspot.com/2007/10/monodevelop-beta-1.html | May 11 18:45 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, I wanted to point it out to you | May 11 18:45 |
| schestowitz | I was going to reply to him | May 11 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Mono Develop.. | May 11 18:45 |
| schestowitz | tagline is GNOME development environment | May 11 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Funny,.. doesn't it run on Windows? | May 11 18:46 |
| schestowitz | This week it Ballnux development week | May 11 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Can benJIman contain the excitement? ;-) | May 11 18:46 |
| *benJIman wonders if schestowitz knows what the word "cartel" means. | May 11 18:47 | |
| Omar87 | http://blogs.sun.com/MySQL/entry/mysql_user_groups_migrating_event | May 11 18:47 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: https://twitter.com/qense/status/1375975171 | May 11 18:48 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: fixing the price of Ballnux | May 11 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "Just removed all my #Mono stuff from the computer. Maybe it is non-sense, but it gives me a creepy feeling. I don't want that." | May 11 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Mono has done that to people since its inception | May 11 18:51 |
| tacone | but obviously, having gone on the ubuntu planet the story has been perceived as a personal attack and so that's why the reply. | May 11 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Which is amusing because people try to blame just one person for it | May 11 18:51 |
| schestowitz | This way this can describe opposers as outliers | May 11 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Like BN | May 11 18:52 |
| schestowitz | tacone: the problem is Mono, not Jo | May 11 18:52 |
| schestowitz | But Mono is made out of developers and people | May 11 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Like companies are people | May 11 18:52 |
| tacone | the problem is the Microsoft deal not Mono :) | May 11 18:53 |
| schestowitz | So it's hard to just ignore the fact that a Mono person is promoted | May 11 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Without at least pointing to the name | May 11 18:53 |
| schestowitz | tacone: Mono too | May 11 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Even before the patent unrest there were issues | May 11 18:53 |
| tacone | I wish Ubuntu took the stance of red hat | May 11 18:53 |
| schestowitz | It serves MS as a standard | May 11 18:53 |
| tacone | and asked for clarification on the obscure points of the deal. | May 11 18:53 |
| Omar87 | Guys what do you think of Amazon's EC2 cloud computing service? | May 11 18:54 |
| tacone | and for GPL 3 O:-) | May 11 18:54 |
| schestowitz | That's not too good: LLVM/Clang Replacing GCC In FreeBSD Base < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzI1Ng > | May 11 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: proprietary | May 11 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Just uses Linux | May 11 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Lockin, proprietary, DRM, lovers.. BAD | May 11 18:56 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Hmm.. | May 11 18:56 |
| schestowitz | They even snubbed open cloud manifesto | May 11 18:56 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Is there any non-proprietary Cloud Computing service at all yet? | May 11 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Is class action against Elsevier on its way? http://techdirt.com/articles/20090510/2157144822.shtml (Elsevier Had A Whole Division Publishing Fake Medical Journals) | May 11 18:57 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: is there any? | May 11 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Simon Phipps vs IDG trolls: Trademarks: "The Hidden Menace Correct title; largely wrong-headed article." http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2009_05_11 | May 11 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: you mean, any that don't fake? | May 11 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Dilbert on capitalism: http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2009-05-10/ | May 11 19:16 |
| trmanco | A Zeus botnet self-destructs: http://www.h-online.com/security/A-Zeus-botnet-self-destructs--/news/113258 | May 11 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like suicide bombing | May 11 19:17 |
| schestowitz | They should say "put to rest" or something. | May 11 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | Blech. http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2009_05_11 Linking to Microsoft-sponsored 'numbers' (Net Applications) is not "encouraging", it's FUD. | May 11 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Linux people should stop feeding Big Lies | May 11 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Another weird one: comparing the linux foundation to the National Rifle Association < http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry4332.html > | May 11 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Linux business pioneer dies in home accident < http://www.techworld.com.au/article/302688/linux_business_pioneer_dies_home_accident > | May 11 19:27 |
| schestowitz | "Rumble is survived by his eight-year-old daughter Abigail." | May 11 19:27 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft Preston Gralla shill is again attacking | May 11 19:33 |
| schestowitz | They seed attacks on Linux and then the MS talking point repeat them. Disgusting. | May 11 19:34 |
| trmanco | microsoft is now pulling google into europe's browser case -> http://tek.sapo.pt/noticias/negocios/microsoft_usa_google_na_resposta_a_comissao_e_993898.html | May 11 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | MacOSX-like Dock Menu for KDE: Fancy Tasks [Linux] < http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/05/macosx-like-dock-menu-for-kde-fancy.html > | May 11 19:50 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, I know | May 11 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Saturday's news | May 11 19:50 |
| trmanco | ah ok | May 11 19:51 |
| trmanco | desperate | May 11 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Notifications in Ubuntu 9.04: they’re not that bad … < http://scottnesbitt.net/ubuntublog/?p=433 > | May 11 19:53 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: desperate to kill Google | May 11 19:53 |
| trmanco | I thing I don't like in them is the blurred images | May 11 19:53 |
| trmanco | A thing that* | May 11 19:53 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft trolls attack Google almost as much as Linux | May 11 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Linux is still a greater competitor to them, enabling many companies | May 11 19:53 |
| trmanco | bunch of drunk ducks | May 11 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Not much news from gentoo recently.. So I'm running Gentoo. < http://michael-mol.blogspot.com/2009/05/so-i-running-gentoo.html > | May 11 19:55 |
| schestowitz | I remember the old days (Win3.11) when I'd defrag the HDD every day. Some Hard Disk Chores Made Easy with Linux < http://zwuser.wordpress.com/2009/05/10/some-hard-disk-chores-made-easy-with-linux/ > | May 11 19:58 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.opennms.org/?p=877 "Slashdot pointed me to a post on open source software and trademarks on a PC World blog that concludes “Trademarking is almost totally incompatible with the essential freedom offered by open source.”" | May 11 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Let's see... | May 11 20:00 |
| schestowitz | So IDG hires a troll to troll Linux users | May 11 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Then Slashdot links to it and gets the mob going | May 11 20:00 |
| schestowitz | ... | May 11 20:00 |
| schestowitz | 4) MS profits!! | May 11 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Trademark FUD is reaching new heights: http://www.sonic.net/~rknop/blog/?p=78 | May 11 20:02 |
| schestowitz | See what happened to Linux.com. They redirect to nonsense now. http://www.linux.com/welcome/ | May 11 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Steam on Linux < http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2009/05/10/steam-on-linux/ > Better than vapour on Windows/Microsoft | May 11 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Does anyone here have a dock like awn? | May 11 20:11 |
| schestowitz | I have tried docks for a while and found them distracting. | May 11 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Apple's are worse.. animated and all. | May 11 20:11 |
| trmanco | Microsoft to Raise $3.75 Billion in Inaugural Bond Offering : http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aYKM9rznWw.A&refer=home | May 11 20:13 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I meant, are there any really non-proprietary (FOSS-friendly) Cloud Computing services there? | May 11 20:14 |
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| trmanco | Sun admits bribery: http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13606&Itemid=38 | May 11 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: there's cloudera | May 11 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Startup | May 11 20:19 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: no, not admitting | May 11 20:20 |
| schestowitz | SEC filing | May 11 20:20 |
| schestowitz | They list it under "Risks" | May 11 20:20 |
| trmanco | Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono): https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-May/028239.html | May 11 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Everybody's a Critic—and a 'Cyberbully,' Apparently http://reason.com/blog/show/133270.html | May 11 20:25 |
| schestowitz | China ready for post-Kyoto deal on climate change < http://www.climateark.org/shared/reader/welcome.aspx?linkid=126729 > | May 11 20:27 |
| tacone | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/ubuntuone-in-beta-wait-wtf/ | May 11 20:28 |
| tacone | (rodrigo is the ex-novell laid off, btw) | May 11 20:28 |
| schestowitz | G20 police 'used undercover men to incite crowds' < http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/10/g20-policing-agent-provacateurs > Stay classy. | May 11 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Interesting. I just caught up, tacone | May 11 20:34 |
| tacone | guess the beta already exist | May 11 20:34 |
| schestowitz | RMS: " Elsevier publishes at least six fake scientific journals as advertising for drug companies." | May 11 20:34 |
| schestowitz | At least 6 | May 11 20:34 |
| tacone | they dug the main site | May 11 20:34 |
| schestowitz | 6, eh? | May 11 20:35 |
| schestowitz | I'm finding some nice lInux news today | May 11 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Some Linux sites are lame and they can't find the news anymore. Reporting too it dying, but what not? | May 11 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Profitability of software is changing, business models in particular. To extract outfit where there's no scarcity gets hard owing to the Internet in particular (Windows is affected too, so Microsoft's profit sank 32% last month). | May 11 20:42 |
| schestowitz | I dare to predict that IBM too will realise that it doesn't need software patents because it can sell hardware for profit. The software can be duplicated without the ludicrous artificial barrier which is monopoly on maths (not copyrights). | May 11 20:42 |
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| tacone | still the ubuntu cloud service may be exclusionary | May 11 21:09 |
| tacone | (although i don't think it will force anything) | May 11 21:09 |
| schestowitz | yeah, MarkS has a hardon for the whole "cloud" thing | May 11 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Just watch his recent interviews | May 11 21:13 |
| schestowitz | He has lunchpad too, which I think he hasn't released to FOSS yet | May 11 21:13 |
| schestowitz | He wants to cash in either by selling to services like EC2 or create something of his own | May 11 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Think .Mac | May 11 21:13 |
| tacone | he's one of the people thinking os will become less important | May 11 21:15 |
| tacone | seems like launchpad will be released in separate pieces | May 11 21:15 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Is it true that Amazon EC2 uses Eucalyptus bundled with Ubuntu | May 11 21:16 |
| tacone | and some stuff (perhaps the glue between them) *may* be kept to keep competitive advantage | May 11 21:16 |
| Omar87 | ? | May 11 21:16 |
| tacone | (his words) | May 11 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: amazon with Eucalyptus? | May 11 21:16 |
| schestowitz | That would be news to me | May 11 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait. | May 11 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Caldera is the one to set apart | May 11 21:16 |
| Omar87 | Huh? | May 11 21:17 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, it's hard to make money from sofwtare now | May 11 21:17 |
| schestowitz | >> <schestowitz> Profitability of software is changing, business models in particular. To extract outfit where there's no scarcity gets hard owing to the Internet in particular (Windows is affected too, so Microsoft's profit sank 32% last month). | May 11 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Try to compete with non-Free vs MS | May 11 21:17 |
| Omar87 | You mean you might have mixed between Amazon EC2 and Caldera? | May 11 21:17 |
| tacone | i'm still positive. but it raises of course a number of question. | May 11 21:17 |
| schestowitz | You can't | May 11 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Why do you think Apple closes down h/w? | May 11 21:17 |
| schestowitz | If it tried to sell just an OS it would be f'ed | May 11 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Who would buy expensive Macs? | May 11 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Not many | May 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | What margins for OS X? | May 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | $50? | May 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | $10? | May 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 is a giveaway trap | May 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Subscription and all | May 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft KNOWS it needs to sell HW | May 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | It more or less says so | May 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Else it needs to kill Linux | May 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Which is can'ty | May 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | IBM, HP, Intel. etc. don't need Windows | May 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Cisco too | May 11 21:18 |
| tacone | microsoft only knows it needs to seel IPs | May 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | They need people who need "computer" or "server" | May 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes | May 11 21:19 |
| tacone | also selling Ballmer would bring some benefit | May 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Cause they failed with HW | May 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Badly | May 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Zune, XBox.. | May 11 21:19 |
| tacone | or giving him away for free | May 11 21:19 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: My friend says he's using Amazon EC2 at work, which uses Eucalyptus bundled with Ubuntu, I'm not sure.. | May 11 21:19 |
| tacone | or paying someone to baby sit him. | May 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | WinMobile... no WIndows phone, but why bother | May 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | It would be like Zune | May 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | And alienate WM partnes | May 11 21:20 |
| schestowitz | They flock to Android now | May 11 21:20 |
| schestowitz | iPhone is just one phone | May 11 21:20 |
| schestowitz | s/w-h/w monopoly | May 11 21:20 |
| schestowitz | So it's Windows Fossil or Android | May 11 21:20 |
| schestowitz | In the news today: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/05/11/strategy_analyitcs_android/ Analyst forecasts 900% Android phone sales growth | May 11 21:21 |
| schestowitz | They got lots of news contracts now | May 11 21:21 |
| schestowitz | And MS press attacks Android | May 11 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Which means it does well | May 11 21:21 |
| Omar87 | http://ostatic.com/blog/eucalyptus-an-unsung-open-source-infrastructure-for-cloud-computing | May 11 21:21 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Check it out. | May 11 21:22 |
| tacone | android from a business point of view is more credible than linux itself. | May 11 21:22 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: What do you think? | May 11 21:23 |
| schestowitz | I saw it the other day | May 11 21:24 |
| schestowitz | 'Cloud'puts many FOSS people off | May 11 21:24 |
| schestowitz | It's a threat | May 11 21:24 |
| Omar87 | Cloud computing is a threat? | May 11 21:25 |
| Omar87 | http://www.eucalyptus.com/enterprise/info/faq | May 11 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: yeah. | May 11 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Google "stallman cloud" | May 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | It undermines Microsoft | May 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | But it undermines many other things | May 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | It may be built on Free software | May 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | But it does not defend your freedom | May 11 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | It makes you just as free as your service provider | May 11 21:31 |
| MinceR | 222506 <@schestowitz> yeah, MarkS has a hardon for the whole "cloud" thing | May 11 21:31 |
| MinceR | Hardy Hardon? :> | May 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Not just as free as the hardware maker and all that | May 11 21:32 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, that's development codename | May 11 21:32 |
| schestowitz | 8.10 | May 11 21:32 |
| schestowitz | 8.04 | May 11 21:32 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: But come on. I mean, I believe that this paranoia will not go us any good, it won't take us nowhere, and it might just exactly what Microsoft is trying to achieve! | May 11 21:39 |
| tacone | MinceR: lol ! | May 11 21:40 |
| Omar87 | will not *do* us any good. | May 11 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Neither would | May 11 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is not the only problem | May 11 21:41 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I know. | May 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | To me, advocating it is about making IBM or Red Hat (or Apple) rich | May 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | It's about us | May 11 21:41 |
| tacone | old one http://nocturn.vsbnet.be/node/146 | May 11 21:47 |
| tacone | (may 6th) | May 11 21:47 |
| tacone | schestowitz: could we private message a moment ? | May 11 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Yeah.. I linked to it last week | May 11 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I think trmanco fdound it | May 11 21:51 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/06/gnote-released-mono-relief/ | May 11 21:51 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, wrong auto completed nick? | May 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | No. | May 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/06/irc-log-06052009-3/ | May 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Yes, trmanco : http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/06/irc-log-06052009-3/#tMay%2006%2017:13:40 | May 11 21:53 |
| trmanco | what about it? | May 11 21:54 |
| schestowitz | See log | May 11 21:57 |
| trmanco | dang | May 11 22:05 |
| trmanco | I'm sleepy | May 11 22:05 |
| trmanco | yeah, I found on planet ubuntu's feed | May 11 22:05 |
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| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/11/my-thoughts-on-virtual-xp-mode-nonsense-and-the-future-for-xp-users/ | May 11 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | based that on the experience of hacking on an EXE to get it to run on XP X64 | May 11 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | thanks | May 11 22:14 |
| schestowitz | adding it now | May 11 22:14 |
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| _Goblin | hi all | May 11 22:15 |
| trmanco | oops -"In fact, the voice wreckagnition" | May 11 22:16 |
| trmanco | funny | May 11 22:16 |
| MinceR | wreckognition: knowing a train wreck when you see one. | May 11 22:16 |
| schestowitz | That'd be Vista | May 11 22:19 |
| _Goblin | Ive must have said something interesting today, my blog has nearly had double its usual daily hits. | May 11 22:20 |
| MinceR | there are many train wrecks around | May 11 22:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y_Jp6PxsSQ | May 11 22:20 |
| schestowitz | "Delete that" | May 11 22:20 |
| schestowitz | "Delete that!" | May 11 22:20 |
| schestowitz | *crowd laughs* | May 11 22:20 |
| tacone | they should just have joined the Dragon-naturally-speaking monopoly | May 11 22:21 |
| tacone | as google did with Android. | May 11 22:22 |
| schestowitz | It did? | May 11 22:22 |
| tacone | you don't read my posts. even those i link here in the channel ;-) | May 11 22:22 |
| MinceR | if it's really a Dragon, then it should be SupernaturallySpeaking. | May 11 22:22 |
| tacone | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/early-android-sdk-brings-voice-recognition/ | May 11 22:22 |
| tacone | a reader was kind enough to clear my doubts | May 11 22:23 |
| tacone | Nuance. Binary blob shipped on the mobiles. | May 11 22:23 |
| tacone | "No, the speech recognition engine is not open source, but proprietary software. It’s just a third-party activity implementing the technology of Nuance, pre-installed on the phones in binary form." | May 11 22:24 |
| schestowitz | tacone: they made a deal? | May 11 22:25 |
| schestowitz | I've read the site for just several weeks consistently. I have sporadic reading habits | May 11 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I went through and did the voice training | May 11 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | for like an hour | May 11 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | to give it the benefit of the doubt | May 11 22:26 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I know about Android, just didn't realise voice came through partnerships | May 11 22:26 |
| tacone | sure they made a deal, can you see google pirating. or nuance giving away an enterprise class technology for free ? | May 11 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | and then I tried to dictate an email using Windows Mail | May 11 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | and it couldn't even do that | May 11 22:26 |
| tacone | nunance technology is even used in trials, to transcribe the speech. | May 11 22:26 |
| tacone | that speaks for its accuracy. | May 11 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | not to mention it can't work with normal apps | May 11 22:27 |
| tacone | and it was windows only, until now at least. | May 11 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | like I could tell it "open Xchat" but I can't tell it what to type into this entry box | May 11 22:27 |
| *schestowitz watches junk like | May 11 22:27 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUViCXWPw4U&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div | May 11 22:27 |
| tacone | searching the net i found out google use it even for its hotline service (the 411-google telephone number) | May 11 22:28 |
| tacone | (not sure i remember the number right) | May 11 22:28 |
| tacone | speech recognition also is the one field linux almost completely lacks | May 11 22:28 |
| tacone | macosx has it (and uses it even in their chess program) | May 11 22:29 |
| tacone | vista has its own (faulty) speech recognition. | May 11 22:29 |
| tacone | linux = ? | May 11 22:29 |
| trmanco | good news | May 11 22:34 |
| trmanco | (11:45:39 AM) sabdfl: launchpad.net is a front end, all of that code is being released | May 11 22:34 |
| trmanco | (11:45:46 AM) sabdfl: there are a variety of other services and things that talk to it | May 11 22:34 |
| trmanco | (11:45:51 AM) sabdfl: and we’ll release some of those | May 11 22:34 |
| trmanco | (11:46:21 AM) sabdfl: in some cases, licensing of components may preclude release | May 11 22:34 |
| trmanco | (11:46:35 AM) sabdfl: in others, i may want to create competitive advantage for canonical | May 11 22:34 |
| trmanco | (11:47:02 AM) sabdfl: but everything that an upstream uses through the web will be released | May 11 22:34 |
| tacone | someone pasting from my blog ? :P | May 11 22:35 |
| trmanco | you're blog? | May 11 22:35 |
| trmanco | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/ubuntuone-in-beta-wait-wtf/comment-page-1/#comment-33500 | May 11 22:36 |
| tacone | yep | May 11 22:36 |
| trmanco | wow | May 11 22:36 |
| tacone | it's me. | May 11 22:36 |
| trmanco | the world is so small | May 11 22:36 |
| tacone | right. | May 11 22:36 |
| tacone | we're even friends on digg ;-) | May 11 22:37 |
| trmanco | yeah | May 11 22:37 |
| tacone | by the way, digg me if you can. that's a pretty hot topic </end-self-adv> | May 11 22:38 |
| trmanco | I didn't know that you were the author of that blog, even knowing that the name had Italian roots | May 11 22:39 |
| trmanco | yeah, I did digg you | May 11 22:39 |
| tacone | schestowitz knew | May 11 22:40 |
| tacone | so I incorrectly assumed everyone knew O:-) | May 11 22:40 |
| trmanco | hehe | May 11 22:41 |
| tacone | guess i'm late to ask what you think about that blog | May 11 22:41 |
| trmanco | let me have a deeper look | May 11 22:41 |
| trmanco | I've already read some of "your" posts some days ago | May 11 22:42 |
| *tacone is a faker claiming to own stefanoforenza.com ;-) | May 11 22:42 | |
| schestowitz | This guy from the government says real US debt is 56 trillion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msPb565gLso&feature=related Any source to verify this? | May 11 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | That would be an average of half a million dollars per household. | May 11 22:43 |
| _Hicham_ | give me that half a million | May 11 22:43 |
| tacone | debt owned to whom ? | May 11 22:43 |
| tacone | that's the question. | May 11 22:43 |
| trmanco | wow, nice template | May 11 22:44 |
| _Hicham_ | owed to schestowitz of course | May 11 22:44 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, that's the question | May 11 22:44 |
| tacone | oh yeah, of course :) | May 11 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Watch the video | May 11 22:44 |
| trmanco | it added posts automatically when we reach the end of the scroll | May 11 22:44 |
| schestowitz | The source is highly reliable | May 11 22:44 |
| _Hicham_ | what are u talking about? | May 11 22:45 |
| trmanco | I like it tacone | May 11 22:46 |
| tacone | trmanco: nice | May 11 22:46 |
| trmanco | I'll sub it tomorrow when I read me feeds | May 11 22:46 |
| *trmanco pastes feed link into a Gnote note | May 11 22:47 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/apple-rejects-bittorrent-iphone-app/ | May 11 22:47 |
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| MinceR | i think i've decoded 'bdfl' from 'sabdfl', but what does 'sa' stand for? | May 11 22:49 |
| MinceR | oh, never mind | May 11 22:49 |
| Aondo | That android speech recognition sends each request to google and then you get your answer back. so i guess that brings the speech recognition as a cloud feature aswell. for a second there i thought it was bundled with the android | May 11 22:49 |
| MinceR | at least the Big Brother gets to hear everything you say. | May 11 22:51 |
| tacone | MinceR: self appointed benevolent dictator for life | May 11 22:51 |
| MinceR | i realized, but thanks. :) | May 11 22:52 |
| tacone | Aondo: sources on your claim ? | May 11 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/05/01/microsoft_ups_cash_limit_takes_aim_at_macbook_pros_in_new_ad.html | May 11 22:52 |
| Aondo | http://www.androidandme.com/2009/05/news/cupcake-voice-recognition-now-available-for-testing/ | May 11 22:52 |
| *tacone has more tabs on firefox than hair on the head | May 11 22:52 | |
| trmanco | that means you're bald? | May 11 22:52 |
| *MinceR suggests tacone to visit a professional about that, perhaps they can fix his hair | May 11 22:52 | |
| trmanco | almost | May 11 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOy5HNIKVFs&feature=related Watch the man sodding off at the end | May 11 22:53 |
| tacone | Aondo: interesting. that contrasts with my own sources | May 11 22:53 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: just before you came here (context): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msPb565gLso&feature=related Any source to verify this? | May 11 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | The commercial, which can be seen below, ends before Sheila can begin her search for a viable video editing application to cut her video. | May 11 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | bahahaha' | May 11 22:53 |
| Aondo | tacone i think it makes sence thought, the api it self is free software, but it only connects to the cloud which is not free. | May 11 22:54 |
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| DaemonFC | personally I'd rather have the 4 gigs of DDR2 than the 2 gigs of DDR3 | May 11 22:54 |
| *tacone wonders about being able to use the api from linux then | May 11 22:54 | |
| DaemonFC | cause once you hit the swap file it's all over anyway | May 11 22:54 |
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| DaemonFC | all desktop operating systems need insane amounts of RAM for what they do anyway | May 11 22:56 |
| trmanco | DaemonFC, what do you men by all over? | May 11 22:56 |
| trmanco | mean* | May 11 22:56 |
| trmanco | it really depends on how hard you hit the swap | May 11 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | once you hit the swap file, you'll fall asleep on your keyboard or hammer buttons trying to see if the system is dead | May 11 22:56 |
| MinceR | gn | May 11 22:57 |
| trmanco | gn | May 11 22:57 |
| tacone | gn | May 11 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | CDBurnerXP is a garbage application | May 11 22:57 |
| *trmanco sees his computer is getting old, only has 1GB | May 11 22:57 | |
| DaemonFC | it remains the ONLY time I've ever ran out of memory on XP | May 11 22:57 |
| *libervisco is now known as lemonade | May 11 22:58 | |
| trmanco | wow | May 11 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | I had 4 gigs of RAM and not much else loaded | May 11 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | went to burn a DVD and suddenly it drains ALL of my RAM | May 11 22:58 |
| *lemonade is now known as libervisco | May 11 22:58 | |
| DaemonFC | I'm pretty much convinced that ImgBurn is the best burning application for Windows | May 11 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | it can do audio CDs based on any kind of format you have directshow filters for | May 11 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | it makes sense to not have to depend on another media library when the OS has one sitting right there already | May 11 23:00 |
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| DaemonFC | and CDBurnerXP is written in C# | May 11 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | and needs .Net | May 11 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | ImgBurn is written in C | May 11 23:01 |
| trmanco | and I assume it's slow | May 11 23:01 |
| tacone | 400 more visits in 3 hours. god | May 11 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | well, once you give it a DVD ISO to munch on | May 11 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it'll die | May 11 23:02 |
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| DaemonFC | quite frankly CDBurnerXP is crap | May 11 23:02 |
| trmanco | lol | May 11 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | it's freeware cause they couldn't try selling it to anyone | May 11 23:02 |
| trmanco | you said that already | May 11 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | ImgBurn is only a 1.5 MB download and it can handle almost any image type | May 11 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | and any media type you have DShow filters for | May 11 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | I was pretty impressed | May 11 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | .Net itself is pretty huge and bloated in the first place | May 11 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | you find out that 3 meg download was jsut a stub installer | May 11 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | and the real think is 262 megs | May 11 23:04 |
| trmanco | how do you know it's written in C#? | May 11 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | and that's just for THAT VERSION of .Net | May 11 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | nevermind 3.0, 2.0, and 1.1 | May 11 23:04 |
| trmanco | don't forget the hude updates | May 11 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | CDBUrnerXP? | May 11 23:04 |
| _Hicham_ | .NET solved the dll hell in Windows | May 11 23:04 |
| trmanco | yeah | May 11 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | they said it was | May 11 23:04 |
| trmanco | a h ok | May 11 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | and then they said it won't run in Mono | May 11 23:05 |
| trmanco | huge* | May 11 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | and it never will\ | May 11 23:05 |
| trmanco | I'm sure mono will run that :-P | May 11 23:05 |
| trmanco | not the other way around | May 11 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | I asked one of the developers why not, he said because Mono is slower than .Net, and cause there's important stuff they use that's missing | May 11 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | and they have no idea if or when it will support it | May 11 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | pretty much affirms that Mono is the white trash cousin of .Net | May 11 23:06 |
| trmanco | mono is pretty fast on linux compared to .net on windows | May 11 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but it's also not compatible | May 11 23:07 |
| trmanco | scary stuff | May 11 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft released a bunch of proprietary Mono stuff as source code | May 11 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | under a Shared Source Developer License | May 11 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | the reason of course | May 11 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | is cause now if anyone makes a compatible version, MS can suggest that they saw the MS source | May 11 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | and that violates their intellectual property | May 11 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 11 23:08 |
| trmanco | ... | May 11 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | it would be like if a car company "leaked out" their engine blueprints | May 11 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | then they could say that anything similar that came along must have been based on their design | May 11 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | did it? at that point, who knows? | May 11 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 11 23:10 |
| tacone | microsoft even distributes linux codecs from microsoft.com | May 11 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | but it's probably enough to leave the scare tactic door open | May 11 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | you can compile Moonlight to use FFMPEG instead | May 11 23:10 |
| tacone | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/has-torvalds-finally-won/ | May 11 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | the one from Novell will ONLY use Microsoft's codecs | May 11 23:10 |
| tacone | http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=133186 | May 11 23:11 |
| trmanco | time for me to go, cya | May 11 23:12 |
| tacone | bye ! | May 11 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | the Microsoft codecs are only licensed for use in a web browser | May 11 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 11 23:13 |
| tacone | yes, mono people already worked around that. | May 11 23:15 |
| tacone | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/windows-media-player-on-linux-really/ | May 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | tacone: haha, good post | May 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Linus will win when he gets that job at Microsoft | May 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait, that would be Miguel | May 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 11 23:16 |
| tacone | isn't miguel already employed at ms ? | May 11 23:16 |
| tacone | :) | May 11 23:17 |
| tacone | he commented on my post, btw. | May 11 23:17 |
| _Hicham_ | he didn't reply to the manhole question | May 11 23:17 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_de_icaza "In summer of 1997, he was interviewed by Microsoft for a job... De Icaza started the GNOME project with Federico Mena in August 1997 to create a completely free desktop environment and component model for Linux and other Unix-like operating systems." | May 11 23:17 |
| tacone | probably he didn't even read it | May 11 23:17 |
| schestowitz | What do you know | May 11 23:17 |
| schestowitz | One month you work for MS | May 11 23:17 |
| schestowitz | The next month you E-mai RMS | May 11 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Then you start EEEing Linux | May 11 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | if Adobe really wants to fend off Silverlight, they'll make a passable version of Flash for Linux | May 11 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/pc/how-linux-lost-the-battle-for-your-desktop-469115 | May 11 23:21 |
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| Aondo | didnt microsoft offer to help the blender team with some codecs earlier? | May 11 23:30 |
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