| neighborlee | hello ;0 | May 13 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | May 13 00:07 |
| schestowitz | I've no patience to reply to Miguel | May 13 00:08 |
| schestowitz | MS apologism again. | May 13 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Just read it a moment ago and it's too long to respond to | May 13 00:08 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz, mono attack dogs sure have been busy..while the cat's away mice will play...<yes, ubuntu forums> | May 13 00:11 |
| neighborlee | I just finished replying to clear violations of the original posters concerns | May 13 00:12 |
| neighborlee | its a shame the games people play in the name of profit. | May 13 00:12 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz, no surprise. | May 13 00:12 |
| neighborlee | your website was attacked once again..unfairly of course, thats how they do things...ad hominem with nothing meaty to back it up. | May 13 00:13 |
| neighborlee | Nope, it's not. BoycottNovell is fiction, not fact. <: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1141986&page=3 | May 13 00:14 |
| neighborlee | by of course, none other than: directhex | May 13 00:14 |
| neighborlee | ahh another app is trying to be replace by another mono app..: rhythmbox to possibly go in favor of banshee | May 13 00:20 |
| neighborlee | innnnteresting | May 13 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | May 13 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Catching up | May 13 00:27 |
| neighborlee | k | May 13 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Well, Miguel is responding in USENET | May 13 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | Putting a lot of time into it, maybe hours | May 13 00:27 |
| schestowitz | This means something is very wrong | May 13 00:28 |
| neighborlee | no idea whats up there | May 13 00:28 |
| neighborlee | hm | May 13 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Miguel sex | May 13 00:28 |
| schestowitz | *Sez | May 13 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Hehe, bad type | May 13 00:28 |
| neighborlee | I was going to say WTH | May 13 00:28 |
| neighborlee | ;0 | May 13 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Sez that BN is 90% speculation | May 13 00:28 |
| schestowitz | They spout this nonsense | May 13 00:28 |
| schestowitz | That only 10% is fact | May 13 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Sure, they did a scientific assessment | May 13 00:29 |
| schestowitz | 10% are facts | May 13 00:29 |
| neighborlee | LOL,,yes ..a-typical ad hominem ,,facts ,,yup sure oh yeah ;)) | May 13 00:29 |
| schestowitz | There's more | May 13 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Hold on | May 13 00:29 |
| neighborlee | tell you what though..they make that bed, they then have to lay in it.. | May 13 00:29 |
| schestowitz | They just become miserable | May 13 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Attacking the messenger | May 13 00:30 |
| neighborlee | yes | May 13 00:30 |
| schestowitz | As though it's some Nazi site | May 13 00:30 |
| neighborlee | yup | May 13 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Says the guy whose avatar is a CHICKEN :-) | May 13 00:30 |
| neighborlee | people just tend to give up when that happens..not me. | May 13 00:30 |
| neighborlee | LOL indeed ;))) | May 13 00:30 |
| schestowitz | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/b370d7a0d3a9288d | May 13 00:30 |
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| neighborlee | its all the same | May 13 00:31 |
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| neighborlee | remove this and that if your so worried about patents..but they fail to mention M$ never signed patent deals with novel over any other componets LOL | May 13 00:32 |
| neighborlee | its all so pathetically transparent | May 13 00:32 |
| schestowitz | ommissions | May 13 00:32 |
| neighborlee | yup | May 13 00:32 |
| neighborlee | I will take understanding and empathy any day over ignorance and fear. < ROFL,,who is he kidding | May 13 00:35 |
| neighborlee | they must think, people have veeeery short memories. | May 13 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | May 13 00:45 |
| schestowitz | New York Times — Just Like National Baseball — Dumps Microsoft Silverlight http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/12/nyt-dumps-microsoft-silverlight/ | May 13 00:46 |
| neighborlee | good, someone is coming to their senses at least ;0- | May 13 00:47 |
| neighborlee | ONly those for whom M$'s ball is in their court <ahem>, go on trusting things from said company...vista alone is pure proof of a company out of control | May 13 00:48 |
| neighborlee | what a nightmare of a OS. | May 13 00:50 |
| neighborlee | bbl show is on..thx for chat been awhile ;0- | May 13 00:50 |
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| schestowitz | Vista 7 comes this year | May 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Prematurely | May 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | =bugs | May 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Vista+new gui+bugs=Vista7 | May 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Why Microsoft ODF (MSODF) is Broken by Design and Why Microsoft is Daemonising Rob Weir Now http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/12/microsoft-odf-broken-by-design/ | May 13 01:30 |
| schestowitz | At Microsoft, ODF ain't done till things won't run | May 13 01:33 |
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| neighborlee | well if W7 is anything like vista was..M$ is in real trouble.. | May 13 01:47 |
| neighborlee | I can atest to that..vista was a verifiable mess | May 13 01:48 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, oh and of course btw..as anything deemed too 'risky', the mono conversation url I posted, is of course going on, in 'recurring discussions'. | May 13 01:52 |
| schestowitz | In more than one place | May 13 01:52 |
| neighborlee | hm | May 13 01:52 |
| schestowitz | Microsofters like Mono | May 13 01:52 |
| neighborlee | as ever | May 13 01:53 |
| schestowitz | This must mean it's good for Linux (MS' #1 rival), eh? | May 13 01:53 |
| neighborlee | lol there is that. | May 13 01:53 |
| schestowitz | It's like the "troll test" | May 13 01:56 |
| schestowitz | In USENET, if the trolls dislike some post/s or an argument/s, then it's good | May 13 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Consider opinion of BadGuy(C), then reverse it. | May 13 01:57 |
| neighborlee | btw..very good news about new york times...crossplatform ta boot..take that M$ :)) | May 13 01:58 |
| neighborlee | heh yes | May 13 01:58 |
| neighborlee | that has been their ammo yes..and its so sadly transparent its not funny | May 13 01:58 |
| schestowitz | There's mroe coming | May 13 02:01 |
| schestowitz | I do one last post for today | May 13 02:01 |
| neighborlee | :) | May 13 02:01 |
| cool | May 13 02:04 | |
| I'm going to send you a nice ODF with Gray Trollton in the O | May 13 02:04 | |
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| schestowitz | Vista 7 is About Digital Rights. Not Yours, Microsoft’s. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/12/vista-7-digital-rights/ | May 13 02:13 |
| schestowitz | gn | May 13 02:14 |
| schestowitz | twitter: please do | May 13 02:14 |
| done, now to mail it. | May 13 02:16 | |
| he seemed to want to see his picture on Boycott Novell and I'd say he earned it with that blog post of his. | May 13 02:17 | |
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| on the way dood. | May 13 02:24 | |
| dude. | May 13 02:24 | |
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| I just had a nice experience with Tom Tom. | May 13 05:56 | |
| The site had a very rude face. Coffin black and other M$ stuff piled on top. | May 13 05:57 | |
| It was some kind of photography site and demanded all sorts of personal details, including an email address. Not the best way to share, for sure. | May 13 05:58 | |
| Next it showed pictures from "events" with nasty javascript, watermarks and right clicks disabled. | May 13 05:58 | |
| Really irritating and also stupid. | May 13 05:59 | |
| It turns out that if you listened to what it was saying, you could ask it for much better. | May 13 05:59 | |
| Each image was displayed with a fixed sized watermark but a variable image size. | May 13 06:00 | |
| If you copy the div with the image to a file and look at the file with a reasonable browser like konq, the server will give you the picture you want. | May 13 06:01 | |
| if you change the image size, the server will happily deliver the image up to and beyond native resolution. | May 13 06:01 | |
| It seems as if they don't store fixed sized thumbnails. | May 13 06:02 | |
| The native resolution was something huge, so I was able to get nice pictures from them by simply asking. | May 13 06:02 | |
| The server was polite after all. | May 13 06:02 | |
| Konqueror has a nice "archive this web page" in it's tool menu that makes a ".war" file, which is really just a gziped tar file with the image you want. | May 13 06:03 | |
| rename file.war to file.tar.gz and open it in a new tab and you see the picture file listed. This is a jpeg that can be viewed in a tab or dragged and dropped out. Konq has image conversion as part of it's "save as" that will convert to png if you simply chose that extension. | May 13 06:06 | |
| The server's owners wanted to be rude but their software base was not. | May 13 06:07 | |
| Pictage, "Trusted by the World's Best Photographers" | May 13 06:09 | |
| They misspelled rude. | May 13 06:09 | |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Fong#Co_Founder_of_Pictage.2C_Inc. | May 13 06:11 | |
| Not that Gary Fong is rude. He sold out three years ago. | May 13 06:17 | |
| Seems to have made a lot of money with his hobby. Good for him. | May 13 06:18 | |
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| ha, what a nice gadget he made http://garyfong1.xanga.com/?nextdate=4%2f29%2f2009+14%3a5%3a31.720&direction=n | May 13 06:31 | |
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| MinceR | http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/missouri_university_makes_apple_iphone_course_requirement | May 13 06:50 |
| MinceR | http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/missouris-journalism-students-must-buy-iphone-or-ipod-touch-for-fall-2009-semester-20090511/ | May 13 06:50 |
| MinceR | little microsoft is waking up | May 13 06:50 |
| MinceR | or cultists have taken over missouri university. | May 13 06:51 |
| neighborlee | lol | May 13 07:00 |
| neighborlee | yeah apple is taking over lOL | May 13 07:00 |
| neighborlee | niece has itouch..its like attached to her o_0 | May 13 07:00 |
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| schestowitz | :-) A journalist will be writing a critique of Mono and he wrote to me: "Do you have an online source for this [Muglia] quote? I've searched and can't seem to find anything." | May 13 08:17 |
| schestowitz | here it what he was referring to: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Microsofts-Muglia-Talks-Longhorn-Novell-and-Java/1/ Worth adding is the fact that the interviewer is a man who attacked FOSS with his article. And guess what? Microsoft hired him. He's in Port 25 now. | May 13 08:17 |
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| schestowitz | Oh noes. Alex is back to ITWire doing MSm PR | May 13 09:14 |
| schestowitz | Ask CEO Steps Downs After One and a Half Years < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/05/12/ask-ceo-steps-downs-after-one-and-a-half-years > | May 13 09:18 |
| schestowitz | Whoa. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/12/hitachi_nec_fy2008_numbers/ "Hitachi, which is an extremely diversified manufacturer with a dabble here and there in IT, posted sales of 10 trillion yen ($102bn), down 11 per cent, and had a net loss of 787.3 billion yen ($8.03bn)." | May 13 09:21 |
| schestowitz | Eavesdropping and false negatives to affect ALL French citizens: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/12/france_three_strikes/ | May 13 09:22 |
| schestowitz | *False positives | May 13 09:22 |
| MinceR | r4wr | May 13 09:31 |
| schestowitz | Greece puts brakes on Street View < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/technology/8045517.stm > | May 13 09:31 |
| schestowitz | This I can sort of agree with, despite Microsoft's obvious attempts to daemonise Google. Pictures from satellites? Well, fine, sorta. This is just a little too far | May 13 09:31 |
| schestowitz | They also create people profiles in Google now. Public ones. | May 13 09:32 |
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| schestowitz | Intel's punishment for crime due today http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137303/intel-eu-antitrust-ruling-tomorrow | May 13 09:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft, which is now taking debt is still desperate to become a hardware company http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137304/ms-confirms-izune-june | May 13 09:52 |
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| schestowitz | Seems like Microsoft is indeed planning to sell more hardware for cash it needs. http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2752 | May 13 09:55 |
| schestowitz | Alienating many partners :-| | May 13 09:55 |
| schestowitz | Cost-cutting all around: HP moves OpenVMS dev to India? < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/12/openvms_to_india/ > | May 13 10:02 |
| oiaohm | Notice its a phone running arm. | May 13 10:05 |
| oiaohm | Somehow I don't think we need to worry. | May 13 10:05 |
| schestowitz | Gigaom, which was caught AstroTurfing for Microsoft, now works with an MS publication: http://www.salon.com/tech/giga_om/gadget_gurus/2009/05/11/palm_pre_review/ | May 13 10:05 |
| schestowitz | Salon.com | May 13 10:05 |
| schestowitz | Notorious for MS fanboyism | May 13 10:05 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: worry -- no. It's interesting to see attempts to create revenue sources | May 13 10:06 |
| schestowitz | How much per WM licence? | May 13 10:06 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: did you see this benchmark? http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=13822 | May 13 10:09 |
| schestowitz | It claims OS X beats Ubuntu in some areas. Any explanations? | May 13 10:09 |
| schestowitz | "So OS X (running on hardware designed by Apple specifically for their operating system) was only able to outpace Ubuntu (an operating system that can work on just about any hardware) on 17 of the 29 tests? That's damned impressive for Canonical, and outright embarassing for Apple." | May 13 10:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-05-12-015-35-RV-HW-SW-0000 | May 13 10:10 |
| schestowitz | "I disagree. Most of Ubuntu's wins were at stuff that was CPU bound and most of their poor results were GPU bound, and as they point out in the article, Intel's Linux drivers suck. Yes, there were outliers such as the SQLite result, but that is not the end of the world." | May 13 10:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-05-12-015-35-RV-HW-SW-0004 | May 13 10:11 |
| schestowitz | "As I mentioned before, considering the HUGE amount of resources that Apple throws at OS X, and the fact that the hardware being used was specifically designed to run OS X, the Ubuntu results are actually quite decent. And I haven't even taken into account the fact that there are not even any error bars on any of the graphs, meaning we don't even know if these results are statistically significant." | May 13 10:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-05-12-015-35-RV-HW-SW-0005 "I'd be more than happy to compared OSx86 vs Ubuntu on my generic x86 hardware, and you're free to do the same. " | May 13 10:12 |
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| kentma | I don't think Apple want anyone to be making such comparisons. | May 13 10:16 |
| schestowitz | "The Unix phenomenon is scary. It doesn't go away." -- Steve Ballmer | May 13 10:22 |
| schestowitz | kentma: why not? | May 13 10:22 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft can also forbid these. | May 13 10:22 |
| schestowitz | Phoronix/PTS can only do UNIX benhmarks for technical reasons | May 13 10:22 |
| oiaohm | Phoronix is expanding its benchmarks to include every OS with a Posix base. | May 13 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Apple has a BSD style base under it. | May 13 10:25 |
| oiaohm | Reallly it would be funny if Phoronix started benchmarking Windows is SFU. | May 13 10:25 |
| oiaohm | is/in | May 13 10:26 |
| schestowitz | It already does BSDs | May 13 10:27 |
| schestowitz | Never seen Michael doing an AIX HPUX benchmark though | May 13 10:28 |
| oiaohm | Getting hands on them is a little expensive. | May 13 10:29 |
| oiaohm | The standard Linux one that works in solarias should work in the AIX and HPUX. | May 13 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Android some day will outdistance the iPhone < http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2009/051209-android-some-day-will-outdistance.html?fsrc=rss-linux-news > | May 13 10:29 |
| oiaohm | Since due to a posix agreement in 2000 or 2001 linux emulation is supported. | May 13 10:29 |
| oiaohm | Reason why MS updating SFU to current day posix will hurt. | May 13 10:30 |
| oiaohm | Since part of the requirement is running Linux binaries. | May 13 10:30 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: he can have them donate HP-UX if the benchmarks have HP believe it will put them in positive light | May 13 10:30 |
| oiaohm | HP | May 13 10:31 |
| oiaohm | And benchmarks do you think that will happen. | May 13 10:31 |
| oiaohm | HP likes having control over benchmarking on there OS. | May 13 10:31 |
| schestowitz | of course | May 13 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Same with Microsoft | May 13 10:31 |
| schestowitz | This does not make it fair/legal | May 13 10:32 |
| oiaohm | If you buy the OS HP provides no restrictions on the benchmarks and the publication. | May 13 10:33 |
| oiaohm | MS even trys to put restrictions on people who buy the OS. | May 13 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Pressure on SCO to die: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090512112723856 http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090512121616643 | May 13 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it's documented. They have rules for benchmarks | May 13 10:34 |
| oiaohm | Toms hardware runs benchmarks on HP stuff from time to time. | May 13 10:38 |
| oiaohm | He is a little seeky about it run in testing. | May 13 10:39 |
| schestowitz | New linux.com is launched http://www.linux.com/ | May 13 10:43 |
| oiaohm | The ICON needs work. | May 13 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Nice menu, no Flash | May 13 10:45 |
| oiaohm | Brown icon on tab. | May 13 10:45 |
| oiaohm | I like the Linux foundation default icon better. | May 13 10:45 |
| schestowitz | <meta name="generator" content="Joomla! 1.5 - Open Source Content Management" /> | May 13 10:46 |
| schestowitz | :-D | May 13 10:46 |
| oiaohm | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/the_new_xorg_features Nice explain about all the X11 mess under way. | May 13 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Netbook runs on AA batteries < http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6621038369.html?kc=rss > Runs GNU/Linux | May 13 10:55 |
| oiaohm | Great idea really. | May 13 10:56 |
| oiaohm | Most common reason for a laptop to end up in bin is price of replacement batteries. | May 13 10:57 |
| schestowitz | Assuming you use no mains | May 13 10:57 |
| oiaohm | Most insane I have seen is 300 dollars to replace batteries in a 8 year old laptop. | May 13 10:57 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | May 13 11:01 |
| schestowitz | The older it gets, the more scarce the components | May 13 11:02 |
| schestowitz | Try buying a walkman now... | May 13 11:02 |
| schestowitz | Today you can take a standard PMP and connect it to an amplifier to get the same functionality as a stereo | May 13 11:03 |
| oiaohm | I have a older tandy wp. | May 13 11:07 |
| oiaohm | It runs on 4 aa batteries. | May 13 11:07 |
| oiaohm | Had it since 1993. | May 13 11:08 |
| oiaohm | I personally expect that AA battery netbook to be like the old tandy around for ages. | May 13 11:13 |
| kentma | oiaohm: is it a badged version of the sinclair z100, at all? | May 13 11:21 |
| kentma | ancient thing, for AA batts | May 13 11:21 |
| kentma | very light, non-clicky keyboard, lcd display (four lines) simple spreadsheet, work proc, calendar, | May 13 11:21 |
| kentma | serial terminal, vt100 emulator | May 13 11:21 |
| kentma | black plastic removable lid? | May 13 11:22 |
| kentma | If so, I've got one :-) | May 13 11:22 |
| kentma | about the size of an A4 sheet of paper? | May 13 11:23 |
| oiaohm | http://www.8bit-micro.com/images/wp2.gif << That. | May 13 11:24 |
| kentma | sorry, z88 | May 13 11:25 |
| kentma | just found it | May 13 11:25 |
| kentma | ah, I'll look | May 13 11:25 |
| kentma | that's it, it's a sinclair Z88 re-badged | May 13 11:25 |
| kentma | I mean, *is it* a z88 rebadged? | May 13 11:25 |
| kentma | http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/sinclair/computers/z88/z88.htm | May 13 11:26 |
| oiaohm | Difference is tandy wp-3 has the expanded ram fitted as per default. | May 13 11:26 |
| kentma | ah, I did the mod on mine a looong time ago :-) | May 13 11:27 |
| oiaohm | http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.old-computers.com/museum/icones/1256.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.old-computers.com/museum/year.asp%3Fst%3D1%26y%3D1989&usg=__NTFl3_HPmG0WTiYZertUPvQNSy4=&h=50&w=50&sz=2&hl=en&start=11&um=1&tbnid=tQ6Pvv-LzXgJQM:&tbnh=50&tbnw=50&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtandy%2Bwp-3%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Diceweasel-a%26rls%3Dorg.debian:en-US:unofficial%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1 | May 13 11:27 |
| kentma | it was a really good machine | May 13 11:27 |
| oiaohm | Its no a sincliar. | May 13 11:27 |
| oiaohm | Citizen portable wordprocessor called the CBM-10WP. Mines blood line. | May 13 11:28 |
| kentma | ah, yes, not a Z88. | May 13 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | LOL http://www.video-game-forums.com/general-gaming-cross-platform/70793-its-teh-economy.html We got cited here: http://wii.kombo.com/images/content/news/blurb_12-it-still-prints-money_20090129.gif (IMG) | May 13 11:30 |
| oiaohm | Both very old both built to last. | May 13 11:30 |
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| Eruaran | New from Microsoft | May 13 11:37 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft Ubuntu ! | May 13 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Intel hit with largest ever EU fine < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/13/intel_europe_fine/ > Microsoft commits the same crimes. | May 13 11:37 |
| Eruaran | Yes, you heard it here first folks | May 13 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: fork it | May 13 11:37 |
| Eruaran | And Dell is offering Microsoft Ubuntu on their netbooks | May 13 11:37 |
| Eruaran | http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop-inspiron-10?c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&l=en&s=dhs | May 13 11:37 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft Operating System | May 13 11:37 |
| Eruaran | Ubuntu 8.04 | May 13 11:37 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft Operating System | May 13 11:37 |
| Eruaran | Ubuntu 8.04 | May 13 11:37 |
| Eruaran | ;) | May 13 11:37 |
| Eruaran | That's probably supposed to be 9.04 as well... | May 13 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Kanye complaint about Twitter imposter: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/13/kanye_west_twitter/ | May 13 11:39 |
| schestowitz | maybe LTS | May 13 11:39 |
| kentma | oiaohm: indeed so - my z88 is still going to this day! Amazing, really... | May 13 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Hahaha. | May 13 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Only think with mine is to remember to remove the lithim battery along with the other battries before long term storage. | May 13 11:44 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: where did you find out about it? | May 13 11:44 |
| oiaohm | Other than that they are basically not kill able kentma | May 13 11:44 |
| oiaohm | Dell has not updated there provided Ubuntu from 8.04 | May 13 11:45 |
| oiaohm | To be correct is Ubuntu 8.04+ | May 13 11:45 |
| oiaohm | It has Dell added drivers. | May 13 11:45 |
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| kentma | oiaohm: agreed. My psion 5 has the same issues, you have to remove the li batt. | May 13 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Netbooks have forgot the importance of a full size keyboard. | May 13 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Dell sells Microsoft Ubuntu http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/13/dell-windows-mindset/ | May 13 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Intel is doing PR to distract attention from its crimes (bribery): http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/13/intel_germany_research/ | May 13 11:56 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: I read an article about Dell's new Ubuntu netbook and I clicked the link to their site | May 13 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: so no-one has covered this yet? | May 13 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's worth submissing to LinuxToday. | May 13 11:57 |
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| schestowitz | But it may seen trollish, so I'd rather not :-) | May 13 11:57 |
| Eruaran | first time I saw it tonight | May 13 11:57 |
| Eruaran | I found it amusing | May 13 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Imagine... | May 13 11:58 |
| schestowitz | What if it said "Intel chip:" | May 13 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Or "Samsung RAM:" | May 13 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Or "Ford car type:" | May 13 11:58 |
| Eruaran | Yes the "Microsoft Operating System" think is a little wierd | May 13 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Or "Coca Cola drink: Pepsi:" | May 13 11:58 |
| MinceR | it shows that dell has really bought into the sw patent FUD :> | May 13 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Or "Oranges drink: Apple" | May 13 11:59 |
| MinceR | m$ told them they own Linux and they believed it | May 13 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | HP too | May 13 11:59 |
| Eruaran | heh | May 13 11:59 |
| schestowitz | They cross licensed | May 13 11:59 |
| schestowitz | And kept quiet/shy about it | May 13 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | Dell signed it just ONE WEEK before MS attacked FOSS | May 13 12:00 |
| schestowitz | Interesting timing | May 13 12:00 |
| schestowitz | HP did it just before the SCO saga | May 13 12:00 |
| schestowitz | Here. Read this: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/21/novell-a-deja-vu/ | May 13 12:01 |
| schestowitz | We ought to challenge Dell to come out with an OFFICIAL statement that it does not pay MS for Linux | May 13 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Also on the server | May 13 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Dell could get an open letter requesting it | May 13 12:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/949_signs.jpg In coleslaw. | May 13 12:06 |
| schestowitz | Brits to test life without Windows < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25004/1148/ > | May 13 12:16 |
| schestowitz | Electronic Police States defined, ranked < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/12/electronic-police-st.html > | May 13 12:17 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the AstroTurfers in the comments here: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/1137283/you-rights-windows Did Microsoft employ the via W-E? | May 13 12:19 |
| schestowitz | Court says police can use GPS to track anyone < http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10237353-71.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 > Phones too are surveillance devices. | May 13 12:20 |
| oiaohm | GPS trackers in phones can be used for fun. | May 13 12:26 |
| oiaohm | Phones are so simple to pass between people. | May 13 12:26 |
| schestowitz | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Dell_sells_Microsoft_Ubuntu | May 13 12:27 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, but that's probability | May 13 12:28 |
| schestowitz | Also, they track and record call | May 13 12:28 |
| schestowitz | So they have a log of who you spoke to, what you said, and where you walked | May 13 12:28 |
| schestowitz | Great overall spying for post mortems or criminalizing a person | May 13 12:28 |
| schestowitz | It's in the interest of the governmant to glamorise mobile phones and thus ensure everyone has one | May 13 12:29 |
| schestowitz | *ment | May 13 12:29 |
| oiaohm | Usa place the requirement of embed GPS. | May 13 12:29 |
| oiaohm | Remember they have GPS guided bombs. | May 13 12:29 |
| oiaohm | Not only are you carring a possible item for police to track you. You are also carring a possiable homing beakon for something nasty. | May 13 12:30 |
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| oiaohm | It realy bad when you think worse possablity. | May 13 12:33 |
| oiaohm | Phones were trackable before they had GPS units fitted. | May 13 12:33 |
| oiaohm | http://linux.com/news/hardware/servers/7555-ibm-pays-customers-to-ditch-sun-servers << Now that needs anti-trust invest. | May 13 12:47 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I saw that | May 13 12:50 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.osnews.com/story/21476/A_Note_About_Ads Now this is getting wrong. | May 13 13:12 |
| oiaohm | Basicallly begging for adblock to be disabled. | May 13 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Haha. | May 13 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | Interesting post on how Twitter 'kills' blogging: http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/05/07/blogging-is-dead/ | May 13 13:39 |
| oiaohm | http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.3-beta1.php Kde 4.x is starting to move into new features. | May 13 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. People like it. | May 13 13:41 |
| oiaohm | I am still expecting it will be 4.5 before kde is really super great. | May 13 13:41 |
| schestowitz | 3.1 was good for me | May 13 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Few bugs | May 13 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Things like win decor | May 13 13:42 |
| oiaohm | found the bugs in kde 3.x until 3.5 annoying. | May 13 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Maybe a few rough edges (rare), but nothing which stood in the way | May 13 13:42 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: don't agree | May 13 13:42 |
| oiaohm | I was use to enlightment at the time with custom themes. | May 13 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Obama to Get Tough on Antitrust Violators http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/obama-to-get-tough-on-antitrust-violators/?cs=32503 | May 13 13:43 |
| schestowitz | This blog went in a tangent away from FOSS to regulation and some such.. | May 13 13:43 |
| oiaohm | So I was a little more touchy to theming issues. | May 13 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Themes are important | May 13 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Note I said annoying. Not that I would not use it. | May 13 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Once you get them right you're happy | May 13 13:45 |
| schestowitz | but wallpapers are important too | May 13 13:45 |
| schestowitz | They define your environment | May 13 13:45 |
| schestowitz | All the other clutter I mostly keep out of sight | May 13 13:45 |
| oiaohm | I am hoping I can bring back what I had in enlightment. | May 13 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Apple BeOS and Windows look choosen at random on login. | May 13 13:45 |
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| oiaohm | That is what makes me a little different I don't exactly settle into a fixed desktop look. | May 13 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Did you see this? http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9988000996.html | May 13 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Yay! Microsoft Ubunu. Dell Introduces Colorful Inspiron Netbook, Laptop and Desktops < http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/Dell-Introduces-Colorful-Inspiron-Netbook-Laptop-and-Desktops-570485/ > | May 13 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Today I have little to write in BN, which is a good thing. It means fewer dirty tricks go on. Lots of good news for Linux on the other hand. | May 13 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I'll do links in a couple of hours | May 13 13:50 |
| oiaohm | I saw that wall mount. | May 13 13:51 |
| schestowitz | I'm splitting Linux links to "desktop" and "server" now | May 13 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Makes it more readable... better structured | May 13 13:53 |
| oiaohm | Will be looking at price when it comes out as a possiable kitchen recipe and entertainment usage. | May 13 13:53 |
| oiaohm | Would free up one complete sections of books out kitchen. | May 13 13:53 |
| oiaohm | Now of course it would have to allow me to run a pure linux. | May 13 13:56 |
| schestowitz | 1985: AT&T's computer operating system is threatening to take over IBM's MS-DOS dominance. http://www.archive.org/details/UNIX1985 | May 13 14:01 |
| schestowitz | http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/vistasuckswordpresscom-to-review-windows-7-rc/ "Now. for the record… I’m going into this with an open mind. I despise Windows Vista, loathe XP, and have become an Apple Fanboy since Vista’s release." | May 13 14:02 |
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| schestowitz | Weird. Do they actually call THEMSELVES "Apple Fanboys"? | May 13 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | And why do they become tool of advancement of a company whose market cap is $115bn? Deluded? | May 13 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Yes | May 13 14:04 |
| oiaohm | I have even had them call them selves that at Linux confs. | May 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Open Source SaaS Not Immune to Recession < http://seekingalpha.com/article/137129-open-source-saas-not-immune-to-recession > SasS as 'open source' is an interesting beast. It's not much to do with Free software | May 13 14:06 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I call them "volunteer Apple employees.. PR interns" | May 13 14:07 |
| oiaohm | SaaS is only minorally getting it. | May 13 14:07 |
| oiaohm | There are such thing as volunteer Apple employees doing work experience. | May 13 14:07 |
| oiaohm | That is kinda a insult to them. Most of them end up working for other companies. | May 13 14:08 |
| schestowitz | ORLY is bust redefining the whole 'open' thing. http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/11/software-oreilly-media-technology-breakthroughs-software.html | May 13 14:08 |
| schestowitz | I don't like what he does. He's confusing people when it comes to FOSS and taking it to BS | May 13 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Asay FUDs EU http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10238475-16.html "On this point, Glyn Moody quotes security guru Bruce Schneier, who suggests that open source could get a free pass because open-source software is distributed without contracts. Open source, in other words, might be the ultimate get-out-of-EC-regulation-free card." | May 13 14:12 |
| oiaohm | That has to be one of the most confusing articals I have read by ORLY. You have seen my bad english at times so it well and truly up there schestowitz. | May 13 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Then his 'yes men' come nodding: http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source/software-liability-will-hurt-open-source-vendors-152 | May 13 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Problem is I agree there should be a liability. | May 13 14:14 |
| oiaohm | If project leads are proven not to be doing what they should they should suffer. | May 13 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Bad project leads in open source have destroyed a lot of projects. | May 13 14:15 |
| schestowitz | "He can also be found as @timoreilly on Twitter and is the co-author ofThe Twitter Book." | May 13 14:15 |
| schestowitz | haha. | May 13 14:15 |
| schestowitz | Twitter book | May 13 14:15 |
| schestowitz | Is it 140 chars long? (the book) | May 13 14:15 |
| MinceR | obviously. | May 13 14:15 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: some programs are designed to be insecure | May 13 14:16 |
| schestowitz | That's what I have a problem with and think that's where vendors should be penalised | May 13 14:16 |
| oiaohm | I have go away with a book 12 chars long "Get Lost Now" as title Nothing in the book. | May 13 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Some open source project leads have put adding features above secuirty flaws too schestowitz. | May 13 14:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2009/05/pogoplug_ready_to_go_open_source_but_only_if_it_dies.html (Pogoplug Ready To Go Open Source, But Only If It Dies) | May 13 14:17 |
| schestowitz | So why not open it to begin with? | May 13 14:18 |
| oiaohm | pogoplug could find itself in legal hot water. | May 13 14:18 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: what I have aproblem with is this: | May 13 14:18 |
| schestowitz | ORLY pretends to be some self-appointned Twitter guru | May 13 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Understand that my resentment has to do with his freeriding | May 13 14:18 |
| schestowitz | He took a more political movement and stole it to market his love for Apple, Microsoft and other nonsense that he makes conferences and books from | May 13 14:19 |
| schestowitz | He blurs the gap and hides the origins of 'open source' | May 13 14:19 |
| schestowitz | That's why Moglen attacked him 2 years ago | May 13 14:19 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: FOSS is not sold | May 13 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Notice something here. Name the other class that would try to hide the origins of open source. | May 13 14:20 |
| schestowitz | There's a difference | May 13 14:20 |
| schestowitz | You can't easily get a 'refund' or compensation for something which is free | May 13 14:20 |
| schestowitz | but if you buy Windows and it failed to perform as advertised, then.. | May 13 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Think cars | May 13 14:20 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: many companies | May 13 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Not just ORLY | May 13 14:21 |
| oiaohm | FOSS is not above people being derilect in there job. Its the same as a person down the street offering save someones life when they don't know how. Threat of fine is kinda need to make people remember how important secuirty is. | May 13 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Its also falls into the same class as fitting locks on doors when you don't know how for free. | May 13 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Doing stuff for free does not magically remove you libabity. | May 13 14:23 |
| oiaohm | If you were doing the job to the best of your ablity and knowledge then you should get off. | May 13 14:23 |
| oiaohm | We exist in a world were more and more people don't take responablity for what they do. | May 13 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Microsofters spin the SE thing as "open source", which it ain't: http://www.liveside.net/main/archive/2009/05/12/just-what-is-kumo-anyway-and-is-it-open-source.aspx | May 13 14:27 |
| schestowitz | More confusions and lies from Microsoft | May 13 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Cannot destroy something make it have no meaning. | May 13 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Very old tattic. | May 13 14:30 |
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| schestowitz | Open Office ~= Office open (XML) | May 13 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Its basically ooxml forumals shoved in odf from sp2 odf. | May 13 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | Well, that's another thing | May 13 14:38 |
| schestowitz | You're talking about MSODF | May 13 14:38 |
| schestowitz | MSODF may work sort of OK within Office | May 13 14:39 |
| schestowitz | The illusion of interoperability | May 13 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Just for Office users | May 13 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Calssic EEE | May 13 14:40 |
| schestowitz | Like IE with IE-only tags | May 13 14:40 |
| oiaohm | Sooner the standard places the offical stamp on forumlars the better. | May 13 14:41 |
| schestowitz | It's all about the apps | May 13 14:41 |
| oiaohm | That is what a lot forget. | May 13 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Its about applications and secuirty. | May 13 14:41 |
| oiaohm | For a lot of people freedom means nothing. | May 13 14:42 |
| schestowitz | It's not about a lot of people, oiaohm | May 13 14:43 |
| schestowitz | I thought about it | May 13 14:43 |
| schestowitz | Like others who include Slated | May 13 14:43 |
| schestowitz | And I posted an article about this the other day also | May 13 14:44 |
| schestowitz | What is winning? | May 13 14:44 |
| schestowitz | Market share? | May 13 14:44 |
| schestowitz | See this from last night: http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/05/linux-and-foss.html | May 13 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Firefox wins for more and more users because it provides the features they want. | May 13 14:44 |
| schestowitz | "What is winning? It's not "world domination". Winning is changing the rules of the game so that a dirty convicted monopolist does not control the industry, and Linux/FOSS can thrive without constantly having to fight just for the right to exist. " | May 13 14:44 |
| schestowitz | Big #1: more users? | May 13 14:44 |
| schestowitz | *bug | May 13 14:44 |
| schestowitz | Some would say "no" | May 13 14:44 |
| schestowitz | It's to bring back freedom | May 13 14:44 |
| schestowitz | Obviously it would be nice to bring more people to realisation of the need for freedom | May 13 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Now that rights in the US and other countries erode | May 13 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Freedom without the means to do you job is worthless. | May 13 14:45 |
| schestowitz | So the question is, why do you, oiaohm , not use OS X? | May 13 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Why do you not advertise Apple? | May 13 14:45 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: true | May 13 14:46 |
| schestowitz | What do you need for the job? | May 13 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Drivers, sometimes Flash maybe | May 13 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla Firefox is not Free software | May 13 14:46 |
| schestowitz | But that's compromise | May 13 14:46 |
| schestowitz | A little different from neglect of freedom | May 13 14:46 |
| oiaohm | System admin central management is always useful. | May 13 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Adobe might set Flash free. Some say it'll happen | May 13 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Apple I don't attack either. Mostly cost is why I don't touch apple. | May 13 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Cost also effects means to do job. If it costs too much you cannot recover the investment. | May 13 14:48 |
| oiaohm | People wanting to get people away from MS and Apple has to forget about freedom as the winning move. Providing all the features they need is the winning move. | May 13 14:49 |
| oiaohm | Somethings even have stupid legal requirements like real-time virus scanning. | May 13 14:49 |
| oiaohm | You want to do business with them. You have to agree that all OS in you business will be running it. | May 13 14:50 |
| oiaohm | I wish freedom was the only rule with different installs I have to obey. | May 13 14:51 |
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| neighborlee | moinin | May 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Hey | May 13 15:27 |
| neighborlee | :) | May 13 15:28 |
| neighborlee | more FUD from favoriete FMM at ubunt forums LOL | May 13 15:28 |
| neighborlee | FMM-fear mongering machine | May 13 15:28 |
| neighborlee | like fm radio , but add 'mud' to the end and thats what you get ;)) | May 13 15:28 |
| neighborlee | now they attack ffmepg as reasojn fedora refuses to 'listen to reason' and include moonlight,though she says ( I think its a she) they will force it in eventually through rpmfusion | May 13 15:30 |
| "oiaohm: Apple I don't attack either. Mostly cost is why I don't touch apple." LOL. Contradiction in the same line. | May 13 15:33 | |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: it's Joseph | May 13 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Not she | May 13 15:34 |
| tacone | url of the ubuntu forum thread ? | May 13 15:35 |
| neighborlee | hmmm,,I was going by picturel.it sorta kinda looks like a she | May 13 15:35 |
| neighborlee | short hair..blue shirt | May 13 15:35 |
| neighborlee | but I digress was only curious | May 13 15:35 |
| neighborlee | well ..in this case I meant comment about ffmpeg and redhat/fedora | May 13 15:35 |
| schestowitz | I think I saw joseph somewhere | May 13 15:35 |
| free software advocates are always smeared as "unreasonable" | May 13 15:35 | |
| neighborlee | not joseph in this case | May 13 15:35 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, you did..e'ws made a few comments to me, but only in form of ad hominem... | May 13 15:36 |
| The funny thing is that those who smear also run Windows, which is about the dumbest thing you can do to a computer. | May 13 15:36 | |
| neighborlee | schestowitz, her commmennts were actually substantive,even if algined to M$ point of view. | May 13 15:36 |
| neighborlee | twitter, quite true | May 13 15:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/74/ "[...] Joseph Shields recommends replacing Rhythmbox with Banshee [...]" | May 13 15:36 |
| neighborlee | yup I heard about that yesterday on forums | May 13 15:36 |
| gotta go. check you all later. | May 13 15:37 | |
| neighborlee | I mentioned that in here yesterday I guess you weren' t here at the time | May 13 15:37 |
| neighborlee | cu twitter | May 13 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2009/04/29/s02e03-partners-in-crime/ | May 13 15:37 |
| schestowitz | -partners-in-crime - apt title | May 13 15:37 |
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| neighborlee | but yeah..they are trying their best, to get every app they can into ubuntu to make mono look more credible, than just having a 'few' apps to justify mono's inclusion..pathetically transparent | May 13 15:39 |
| zer0c00l | Microsoft releases patches: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/13/1324250 | May 13 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Eye patches? For their latest "piracy" lies (BSA+IDC)? | May 13 15:42 |
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| zer0c00l | :) | May 13 15:44 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: thanks for pressing on it. As you say, to them it's ammo | May 13 15:47 |
| neighborlee | anytime, rain or shine. | May 13 15:48 |
| schestowitz | If they can pollute Ubuntu with staff and packages, then they can say, "look, even the most widely use distro says aye to Mono." | May 13 15:48 |
| schestowitz | It's like a fortress from which to cause damage, like ISO and the OSI | May 13 15:48 |
| neighborlee | yup | May 13 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Or same with 'planting' papaer | May 13 15:52 |
| schestowitz | it's about putting a post | May 13 15:52 |
| schestowitz | These days I work with colleagues on an article for an IEEE journal | May 13 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Assuming the results can satisfy edtiros | May 13 15:53 |
| neighborlee | :) | May 13 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Once it's absorbed you can cite it | May 13 15:53 |
| schestowitz | So any rubbish that is put there (mine ain't rubbish) then gains credibility | May 13 15:53 |
| schestowitz | I suppose you heard about Elsevier and fake journals | May 13 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Like Microsoft and its commissioned anti-Linux 'studies' | May 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Once published MS shows it to customers | May 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Likewise, Mono needs case studies | May 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Having Ubuntu up there gives it momentum | May 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz | If only it can seduce or intoxicate the guards | May 13 15:54 |
| neighborlee | Louis Bates < is trying to make valid points, but all they do is refer to him as a troll..way to go to have intelligent discource ;) | May 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz | I.e. put mono lovers in positions of power in Canonical | May 13 15:54 |
| neighborlee | oh wait.they dont want any..they just want mono ;)lol | May 13 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Yup | May 13 15:55 |
| neighborlee | hmm nope not familiar with elsever and fake journals | May 13 15:56 |
| neighborlee | nothing surprises me anymore with M$ | May 13 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Let me show you | May 13 16:00 |
| schestowitz | MS is close to Elsevier bur that's another story | May 13 16:00 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/06/the-pharmaceutical-cartel/ | May 13 16:00 |
| schestowitz | It's #2 in google for "pharmacetical cartel" | May 13 16:01 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz, earlier I was referring actaully to gnomeuser | May 13 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Who's that? | May 13 16:01 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz, regarding bringing up redora/fedora and ffmpeg as releatws to not including moonlight | May 13 16:01 |
| neighborlee | some mono supporter-- | May 13 16:01 |
| neighborlee | been around for long time on ubuntu forums.. | May 13 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Real name? | May 13 16:01 |
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| neighborlee | http://davidnielsen.wordpress.com/ < her homepage | May 13 16:02 |
| tacone | may I have the url of the thread ? | May 13 16:03 |
| neighborlee | sure np | May 13 16:04 |
| neighborlee | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1141986&page=6 | May 13 16:04 |
| neighborlee | the person creating the thread made a very fair, non FUD post without using attack style gramar, but he was attacked right away..of course..really unfair to someone trying to be nice and asking reasonable questions.. | May 13 16:05 |
| tacone | what a nice idea | May 13 16:08 |
| tacone | http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ideatorrent/idea/110 | May 13 16:08 |
| neighborlee | yes that one has been out there for sometime.. | May 13 16:10 |
| neighborlee | and of course so have attack dogs supporting mono. ;) | May 13 16:10 |
| tacone | bookmarked. it may be nice to have in the blog's sidebar | May 13 16:10 |
| schestowitz | "Windows 7 mini review ... More on Windows 7" | May 13 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Wrong address? :-D | May 13 16:13 |
| schestowitz | I've seen enuf! http://davidnielsen.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/shit-piss-fuck-cunt-cocksucker-motherfucker-tits/#comment-322 | May 13 16:14 |
| Balrog_ | I've seen an increase in BSA ads | May 13 16:16 |
| neighborlee | tacone, kewl | May 13 16:18 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz, rofl | May 13 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: yes, you mean press? | May 13 16:34 |
| schestowitz | "Poor Microsoft... everyone is 'stealing' from them.." | May 13 16:35 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, ewww | May 13 16:38 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi All! | May 13 16:39 |
| neighborlee | and this is the spokesperson for rationality ? lol | May 13 16:39 |
| neighborlee | hi there | May 13 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Maybe for Mono | May 13 16:39 |
| _Hicham_ | no Mono | May 13 16:39 |
| neighborlee | exactly LOL | May 13 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Headline is synonyms for Mono | May 13 16:39 |
| _Hicham_ | no no no | May 13 16:39 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz, lol | May 13 16:39 |
| _Hicham_ | Mono, go out | May 13 16:40 |
| _Hicham_ | Mono is targeting Windows now | May 13 16:40 |
| _Hicham_ | as a cheap .NET alternative | May 13 16:40 |
| _Hicham_ | since it wasn't welcomed into Linux | May 13 16:40 |
| _Hicham_ | but the problem is | May 13 16:40 |
| _Hicham_ | there is already SharpDevelop | May 13 16:40 |
| _Hicham_ | so | May 13 16:41 |
| neighborlee | oh ,,its very welcome in at least ONE distro ;) | May 13 16:41 |
| _Hicham_ | who will use Mono on Windows? | May 13 16:41 |
| _Hicham_ | which distro? | May 13 16:41 |
| neighborlee | o_0 | May 13 16:41 |
| _Hicham_ | what? | May 13 16:41 |
| neighborlee | ubuntu..and in some cases fedora..def. mandriva. | May 13 16:41 |
| neighborlee | and im sure several others | May 13 16:41 |
| neighborlee | err opensuse LOL | May 13 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Fight Mono with gONO | May 13 16:41 |
| _Hicham_ | it is only welcomed in Ubuntu | May 13 16:42 |
| _Hicham_ | the others distros provides packages for it | May 13 16:42 |
| _Hicham_ | not welcome it | May 13 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Mononucleosis vs gonorrhea | May 13 16:42 |
| neighborlee | it found its start in opensuse of course..novel and M$ are lovers you know ;) | May 13 16:42 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz, ha | May 13 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Battle of the fittest | May 13 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Which sucks more | May 13 16:42 |
| _Hicham_ | OpenSuSe of course | May 13 16:42 |
| _Hicham_ | Novell didn't stop tainting OpenSuSe | May 13 16:43 |
| _Hicham_ | since they bought it | May 13 16:43 |
| _Hicham_ | too bad that such a great distro is affected by such a plague | May 13 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 13 16:43 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: no, ads | May 13 16:43 |
| schestowitz | It spreads too | May 13 16:43 |
| Balrog_ | like radio ads and internet banner ads | May 13 16:43 |
| neighborlee | well..not enough people..or buy into the FUD | May 13 16:43 |
| schestowitz | It's like Ubuntu sleeps with many usrrs | May 13 16:43 |
| schestowitz | So the Monocotyledonous passes | May 13 16:44 |
| schestowitz | LTD | May 13 16:44 |
| neighborlee | and when the subject comes up at uubntu forums for example.they just slap it into recurring discussions to shut things down. | May 13 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Linux-transmitted disease | May 13 16:44 |
| schestowitz | The WHO did a study | May 13 16:44 |
| schestowitz | They found that the source was a village called Novell | May 13 16:44 |
| _Hicham_ | Shuttleworth Loves Mono | May 13 16:44 |
| schestowitz | The first carrier of this disease was in Mexico | May 13 16:44 |
| schestowitz | It wasn't Swine Flu though | May 13 16:44 |
| _Hicham_ | that is why mono is shipped by default | May 13 16:44 |
| schestowitz | It was Mono | May 13 16:45 |
| _Hicham_ | strange | May 13 16:45 |
| _Hicham_ | is Mono Swine Flu related? | May 13 16:45 |
| schestowitz | But Shuttleworth doesn't know | May 13 16:45 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't want toi | May 13 16:45 |
| schestowitz | PJ(Groklaw) criticised him too | May 13 16:45 |
| _Hicham_ | Shuttleworth KNOWS | May 13 16:45 |
| _Hicham_ | he knows | May 13 16:46 |
| schestowitz | ..[how to make $$] | May 13 16:46 |
| _Hicham_ | that is the problem | May 13 16:46 |
| _Hicham_ | he just want money | May 13 16:46 |
| schestowitz | He's a good guy | May 13 16:46 |
| _Hicham_ | can't he just follow RedHat's road? | May 13 16:46 |
| neighborlee | funny how that ideology is something M$ understands very well ey ? | May 13 16:46 |
| schestowitz | But when it comes to Mono he needs to be informed | May 13 16:46 |
| _Hicham_ | I don't think so | May 13 16:46 |
| _Hicham_ | he is informed | May 13 16:46 |
| _Hicham_ | Fedora 11 just Rocks | May 13 16:47 |
| neighborlee | well I dont know if it rocks | May 13 16:47 |
| neighborlee | or how st able it is | May 13 16:47 |
| neighborlee | but I do know,,it wont allow in moonlight | May 13 16:47 |
| neighborlee | BUT it does allow mono | May 13 16:47 |
| _Hicham_ | It is the best Linux Experience that I have till now | May 13 16:47 |
| neighborlee | by default IN dvd installer.. livecd ,last I checked nope..but it does in dvd which I dont like at all | May 13 16:48 |
| _Hicham_ | KMS works without a problem | May 13 16:48 |
| _Hicham_ | Everything is up-to-date and Stable | May 13 16:48 |
| neighborlee | well ,,honestly feodra does stupid things | May 13 16:48 |
| _Hicham_ | like? | May 13 16:49 |
| neighborlee | you use to be able to do yum whatprovides blah, and get back where a given header file is..can't do that anymore ,,last I checked anyway | May 13 16:49 |
| neighborlee | as a developer, I hate such things.. | May 13 16:49 |
| _Hicham_ | what are you talking about? | May 13 16:49 |
| _Hicham_ | I am a developer too | May 13 16:49 |
| neighborlee | im talking about developemtn issues | May 13 16:49 |
| neighborlee | then you should know. | May 13 16:49 |
| _Hicham_ | what libs are you talking about? | May 13 16:50 |
| neighborlee | yum provides ? | May 13 16:50 |
| neighborlee | header files | May 13 16:50 |
| neighborlee | blah.h | May 13 16:50 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: f12 features are announced | May 13 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Prospectively | May 13 16:50 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | May 13 16:50 |
| _Hicham_ | what were the libs you had problems with? | May 13 16:50 |
| neighborlee | but I do admire fedora for its stance on free software..I just wish the would NOT ship mono in dvd installer | May 13 16:50 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: blender? | May 13 16:51 |
| neighborlee | I had no trouble with any libs | May 13 16:51 |
| neighborlee | blender ? ;)) | May 13 16:51 |
| neighborlee | o_0 | May 13 16:51 |
| neighborlee | hmm yup I use blender 3d | May 13 16:51 |
| neighborlee | oss rocks ;) | May 13 16:51 |
| _Hicham_ | excuse me, but that is now a positive attitude | May 13 16:51 |
| _Hicham_ | if u find a bug, you must report it | May 13 16:52 |
| neighborlee | now/not ? | May 13 16:52 |
| neighborlee | I always do | May 13 16:52 |
| _Hicham_ | now->not | May 13 16:52 |
| neighborlee | yup | May 13 16:52 |
| neighborlee | I did report it | May 13 16:52 |
| _Hicham_ | even on packaging | May 13 16:52 |
| neighborlee | sometime ago | May 13 16:52 |
| neighborlee | yup | May 13 16:52 |
| _Hicham_ | did they fix it? | May 13 16:52 |
| neighborlee | feature request << | May 13 16:52 |
| neighborlee | dunno ,,ive not treid fedora since 9 | May 13 16:52 |
| neighborlee | I mean..I dont like how they ship incomplete code and call it a release | May 13 16:53 |
| _Hicham_ | hahahaha | May 13 16:53 |
| neighborlee | pulse was horible in version 9 you must admit | May 13 16:53 |
| neighborlee | but it shipped anyway.. | May 13 16:53 |
| _Hicham_ | that is why u r saying that | May 13 16:53 |
| neighborlee | sorry im just VERY picky about reliablility | May 13 16:53 |
| neighborlee | saying what :)) | May 13 16:53 |
| _Hicham_ | PulseAudio rocks in Fedora 10 | May 13 16:53 |
| _Hicham_ | it was a technology preview in Fedora 9 | May 13 16:54 |
| _Hicham_ | like KMS in Fedora 10 | May 13 16:54 |
| neighborlee | I read somewhere that its better in 10 yes | May 13 16:54 |
| _Hicham_ | well, I am talking from experience | May 13 16:54 |
| neighborlee | I needed something fo rnow though..so I decided to grab fedora 11 preview kde iso..and hope for best | May 13 16:54 |
| neighborlee | fine.. | May 13 16:55 |
| neighborlee | we'll see how it goes | May 13 16:55 |
| neighborlee | as I say..I dont support ubuntu anymore. | May 13 16:55 |
| _Hicham_ | if no distro ships new technologies, how can we test? | May 13 16:55 |
| _Hicham_ | answer me please | May 13 16:55 |
| _Hicham_ | Linux is COMMUNITY | May 13 16:55 |
| neighborlee | I used to love and support it..no longer with mono..and fedora is RIGHT behind them using mono in dvd | May 13 16:55 |
| neighborlee | oh come on ,,thats ridiciulus | May 13 16:56 |
| neighborlee | haha good try though, I give you E for effort | May 13 16:56 |
| _Hicham_ | haha | May 13 16:56 |
| neighborlee | Ive used linux since redhat 5 dude | May 13 16:56 |
| neighborlee | I know linux and I adore it. | May 13 16:56 |
| neighborlee | that does not mean I squat down and beg formore if its not working, I say so. | May 13 16:56 |
| _Hicham_ | and u don't like to test new technologies? | May 13 16:56 |
| neighborlee | I do..sometimes.. | May 13 16:57 |
| neighborlee | I just dont like trends in linux.. | May 13 16:57 |
| neighborlee | say its stable.but its crashes.. | May 13 16:57 |
| _Hicham_ | then use Debian | May 13 16:57 |
| neighborlee | never | May 13 16:57 |
| _Hicham_ | it doesn't crash at all | May 13 16:57 |
| neighborlee | as I say we'll see | May 13 16:57 |
| neighborlee | I downloaded fedora 11 preview kde iso | May 13 16:57 |
| _Hicham_ | if u want absolute stability, the best choice is Debian | May 13 16:58 |
| neighborlee | its 10000 steps ahead of ubuntu that ships mono anyway | May 13 16:58 |
| neighborlee | well | May 13 16:58 |
| neighborlee | I do not like the steps debian forces upon me , to get a 'acceptable' working desktop | May 13 16:58 |
| neighborlee | been there..DONE that..no thanks charlie. | May 13 16:58 |
| neighborlee | im picky when it comes to my desktop, sorry ;) | May 13 16:58 |
| _Hicham_ | what distro do u use then? | May 13 16:58 |
| neighborlee | and hoinestly,I like aLOT of what fedora does. | May 13 16:59 |
| neighborlee | atm none | May 13 16:59 |
| _Hicham_ | Windows? | May 13 16:59 |
| neighborlee | soon to be fedora. | May 13 16:59 |
| neighborlee | yes | May 13 16:59 |
| neighborlee | no choice.. | May 13 16:59 |
| _Hicham_ | Vista? | May 13 16:59 |
| _Hicham_ | or XP? | May 13 16:59 |
| neighborlee | yes | May 13 16:59 |
| neighborlee | xp | May 13 16:59 |
| neighborlee | but....I think im almost ready to skp even that, and use linux fulltime | May 13 16:59 |
| neighborlee | it took time as I depend on a few windows apps for business | May 13 17:00 |
| neighborlee | but I think wine will be ok for them. | May 13 17:00 |
| neighborlee | or so im hoping. | May 13 17:00 |
| _Hicham_ | I just erased Windows from my machine | May 13 17:00 |
| _Hicham_ | for good | May 13 17:00 |
| neighborlee | sweet dude ;)) | May 13 17:00 |
| _Hicham_ | finished my dependency on it | May 13 17:00 |
| neighborlee | Im right behind you. | May 13 17:00 |
| _Hicham_ | no more Windows apps | May 13 17:00 |
| neighborlee | breath of fresh air | May 13 17:00 |
| neighborlee | so help me urge fedora to stop shipping mono | May 13 17:00 |
| neighborlee | is that doable ? ;) | May 13 17:01 |
| neighborlee | me/us | May 13 17:01 |
| _Hicham_ | now I have Fedora 10 and Fedora 11 in Dual-Boot | May 13 17:01 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, I am with you | May 13 17:01 |
| neighborlee | :) | May 13 17:01 |
| _Hicham_ | but, we must elaborate sthg that is against Fedora Packaging Policy | May 13 17:01 |
| neighborlee | having said that I was very happy to hear about them using the new update system..the one suse uses | May 13 17:01 |
| _Hicham_ | to prove that Mono is not packageable | May 13 17:02 |
| neighborlee | it will help make downloads alot smaller | May 13 17:02 |
| neighborlee | and its more efficient | May 13 17:02 |
| _Hicham_ | the delta rpms? | May 13 17:02 |
| neighborlee | exactly | May 13 17:02 |
| neighborlee | was very happy to hear that | May 13 17:02 |
| neighborlee | smart . | May 13 17:02 |
| _Hicham_ | there not a lot of delta rpms for the moment | May 13 17:02 |
| neighborlee | yup makes sense | May 13 17:02 |
| neighborlee | testing phase | May 13 17:02 |
| _Hicham_ | just five official delta rpms | May 13 17:02 |
| neighborlee | yeah | May 13 17:03 |
| neighborlee | are you fedora dev or just very interested party | May 13 17:03 |
| neighborlee | mabye both ;) | May 13 17:03 |
| _Hicham_ | very interested | May 13 17:03 |
| neighborlee | kk | May 13 17:03 |
| _Hicham_ | not fedora dev yet | May 13 17:03 |
| neighborlee | :)) | May 13 17:03 |
| _Hicham_ | I like the fact that they are pushing the limits | May 13 17:03 |
| neighborlee | at least they have taken moonlight OFF the table..thats half the battle won anyway | May 13 17:04 |
| _Hicham_ | see? | May 13 17:04 |
| neighborlee | well | May 13 17:04 |
| neighborlee | thats part of what worried me abourt fedora initially | May 13 17:04 |
| _Hicham_ | if we can come up with something reasonable, mono will disappear also | May 13 17:04 |
| neighborlee | I mean come on, you must admit they break poor nvidia sometimes..and its a NIGHTmare sometimes to get working | May 13 17:04 |
| _Hicham_ | we must PROVE IT | May 13 17:04 |
| _Hicham_ | Nouveau should be OK | May 13 17:04 |
| _Hicham_ | I don't have an Nvidia card | May 13 17:05 |
| neighborlee | oh .and I had a heck of a time once getting skype working..not fun..pitfalls of OSS sometimes I guess <whine over> | May 13 17:05 |
| _Hicham_ | I have an ATI card | May 13 17:05 |
| neighborlee | bah | May 13 17:05 |
| neighborlee | honestly I dont care about using proprietary nvidia | May 13 17:05 |
| _Hicham_ | well, a lot of people do | May 13 17:05 |
| neighborlee | they never attacked linux..only tried to help us make it better..I use it. | May 13 17:05 |
| neighborlee | yup | May 13 17:05 |
| _Hicham_ | and I care | May 13 17:05 |
| neighborlee | we all do and should ;) | May 13 17:05 |
| neighborlee | NV is fine, IF it works for you..for accerlated work..NOt so much,,atm.. | May 13 17:05 |
| _Hicham_ | ATI is Open Sourcing its drivers | May 13 17:06 |
| neighborlee | all ? | May 13 17:06 |
| _Hicham_ | Nvidia should follow | May 13 17:06 |
| neighborlee | atm its only some of them | May 13 17:06 |
| _Hicham_ | not all | May 13 17:06 |
| neighborlee | nvidia's hands are therefore not forced atm ;)) | May 13 17:06 |
| _Hicham_ | because there is some code that it is not their own | May 13 17:06 |
| _Hicham_ | just like Java | May 13 17:06 |
| neighborlee | but sure..we would al love that..is it reality,probably not atm | May 13 17:06 |
| _Hicham_ | 99% of Java is Open Source | May 13 17:06 |
| neighborlee | right yes | May 13 17:07 |
| neighborlee | hmm what again is remaining 1% | May 13 17:07 |
| _Hicham_ | there is only 1% to be replaced by OpenSource products | May 13 17:07 |
| _Hicham_ | sthg about fonts | May 13 17:07 |
| _Hicham_ | and fonts handling | May 13 17:07 |
| _Hicham_ | RedHat is working on that | May 13 17:07 |
| neighborlee | ahhh | May 13 17:07 |
| neighborlee | sweet | May 13 17:07 |
| _Hicham_ | OpenJDK is operational | May 13 17:08 |
| *neighborlee burns fedora 11 preview kde iso | May 13 17:08 | |
| _Hicham_ | I am using Fedora Gnome | May 13 17:08 |
| _Hicham_ | I didn't test KDE | May 13 17:09 |
| neighborlee | well | May 13 17:09 |
| neighborlee | I have been a gnome boy..for agesa | May 13 17:09 |
| neighborlee | ages | May 13 17:09 |
| neighborlee | but then..when qt went lgpl..I decided to ..convert.. | May 13 17:09 |
| neighborlee | testing , testing..:)) | May 13 17:09 |
| _Hicham_ | I like GNOME and GTK because they are GNU Projects | May 13 17:09 |
| neighborlee | not sure im real happy about kde menu though.. | May 13 17:09 |
| neighborlee | yeah well | May 13 17:09 |
| neighborlee | gtk semi pushes C#.. | May 13 17:10 |
| _Hicham_ | I didn't like coding in Qt | May 13 17:10 |
| _Hicham_ | it frustrated me | May 13 17:10 |
| neighborlee | hm | May 13 17:10 |
| _Hicham_ | GTK is great | May 13 17:10 |
| _Hicham_ | GTKmm is even less code than Qt | May 13 17:10 |
| neighborlee | its open source..which is great yes. | May 13 17:10 |
| _Hicham_ | I love Open Source | May 13 17:11 |
| neighborlee | hmm I wonder if fedora is bringing in code from foresight to make updating quicker and more efficient... | May 13 17:11 |
| neighborlee | or if its more like opensuse | May 13 17:11 |
| neighborlee | dont know much about it atm | May 13 17:11 |
| _Hicham_ | and I really really hate closed source | May 13 17:11 |
| neighborlee | well | May 13 17:12 |
| _Hicham_ | I didn't use OpenSuSe | May 13 17:12 |
| neighborlee | as I say..at least nvidia isn't attacking linux..can't say the same for M$ | May 13 17:12 |
| neighborlee | we must pick our battles ;)) | May 13 17:12 |
| _Hicham_ | I wasn't a Novell lover, and I won't be | May 13 17:12 |
| neighborlee | me either.. | May 13 17:12 |
| _Hicham_ | I don't have anything against Nvidia | May 13 17:12 |
| neighborlee | def. not as of late thats for sure ;)) | May 13 17:12 |
| _Hicham_ | it is a great company | May 13 17:12 |
| _Hicham_ | they make great drivers for Linux | May 13 17:13 |
| neighborlee | well..open suse is a great OS in some respects..minus mono dependency ;)) | May 13 17:13 |
| neighborlee | yes agreed | May 13 17:13 |
| _Hicham_ | yes it is great | May 13 17:16 |
| _Hicham_ | it has YaST | May 13 17:16 |
| _Hicham_ | It is very user friendly | May 13 17:16 |
| _Hicham_ | but it is Novell | May 13 17:16 |
| _Hicham_ | Anjuta 2.26 seems very promising | May 13 17:18 |
| neighborlee | woah nellie | May 13 17:18 |
| neighborlee | ROFL | May 13 17:18 |
| _Hicham_ | what? | May 13 17:18 |
| neighborlee | I was just called the product of cmel rape | May 13 17:19 |
| neighborlee | camel | May 13 17:19 |
| _Hicham_ | haha | May 13 17:19 |
| neighborlee | LLLLLLLLLLLLOL | May 13 17:19 |
| _Hicham_ | what is that? | May 13 17:19 |
| neighborlee | OMG, they have sunk to attacking me directly now | May 13 17:19 |
| neighborlee | im SO on cloud nine ;) | May 13 17:19 |
| _Hicham_ | who is attacking u? | May 13 17:19 |
| neighborlee | http://davidnielsen.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/shit-piss-fuck-cunt-cocksucker-motherfucker-tits/#comment-322 < that person | May 13 17:21 |
| neighborlee | gnomeuser | May 13 17:21 |
| neighborlee | LOL..haha amazing stuff.just amaziing. | May 13 17:21 |
| neighborlee | yeah..im bi product of camel rape ROFL | May 13 17:21 |
| neighborlee | oh hey my mother in heaven just said to say: | May 13 17:21 |
| neighborlee | im rolling over in my grave..thanks dudes what a deal | May 13 17:22 |
| neighborlee | :) | May 13 17:22 |
| neighborlee | I wont say what my father said..you do NOT want to know ;)) | May 13 17:22 |
| neighborlee | That is NOT an ad hominem, an ad hominem would be attacking the person rather than the argument e.g. You are wrong because you are the biproduct of regular camel raping < and that is what she said on ubuntu forum about me LOL | May 13 17:23 |
| neighborlee | no matter..its all fuel for FUD..honestly its kinda funny after you get past the sick part of it ;))) | May 13 17:23 |
| neighborlee | grr..it filters out cuss words..I cant get url to post..LOL | May 13 17:25 |
| neighborlee | I suppose its just as well..it is rather..ahem..filthy. | May 13 17:25 |
| neighborlee | so fine..Ill post it on my own website..and reference it. | May 13 17:25 |
| _Hicham_ | don't think about those | May 13 17:25 |
| neighborlee | im not trying to | May 13 17:26 |
| neighborlee | only trying to make a valdi point. | May 13 17:26 |
| neighborlee | valid ^^ | May 13 17:26 |
| neighborlee | but yeah | May 13 17:27 |
| neighborlee | so how long have you used fedora | May 13 17:29 |
| neighborlee | _Hicham_, honestly, I've never seen such cussing in a ubuntu thread before..that new takes the cake. | May 13 17:33 |
| neighborlee | and its getting repoted immediately. | May 13 17:33 |
| neighborlee | ................reported | May 13 17:33 |
| _Hicham_ | give me the thread url | May 13 17:34 |
| neighborlee | kk | May 13 17:35 |
| neighborlee | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7271279#post7271279 | May 13 17:35 |
| neighborlee | her word was used to make a point I get that..I think though far less caustic wording could have been used. | May 13 17:35 |
| neighborlee | ..words | May 13 17:35 |
| schestowitz | LOL | May 13 17:37 |
| schestowitz | "woah Neelie [Kroes]" | May 13 17:37 |
| neighborlee | ha | May 13 17:37 |
| schestowitz | gnomeuser - Århus, Denmark | May 13 17:38 |
| neighborlee | yes | May 13 17:39 |
| schestowitz | So it's just the same guy from "/shit-piss-fuck-cunt-cocksucker-motherfucker-tits..." | May 13 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Just ignore and void him | May 13 17:39 |
| neighborlee | yes | May 13 17:39 |
| neighborlee | would seem so | May 13 17:39 |
| neighborlee | yes np at all | May 13 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Nothing good would come from spending time with them | May 13 17:39 |
| neighborlee | agreed. | May 13 17:39 |
| schestowitz | They look bad just uttering this nonsense and try to bring you down to the same level of kids | May 13 17:39 |
| neighborlee | It just surprised me is all..the venem used... | May 13 17:39 |
| neighborlee | exactly.. | May 13 17:40 |
| schestowitz | We have those in USENET | May 13 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Waste of time and disgusting | May 13 17:40 |
| schestowitz | trmanco ignores them also | May 13 17:40 |
| neighborlee | ahhhh | May 13 17:41 |
| neighborlee | yeah its everywhere... | May 13 17:41 |
| neighborlee | only reason it was attempted at all on ubuntu forum is its on recurring ;))heh | May 13 17:41 |
| neighborlee | but anyway..ignored. | May 13 17:41 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/13/dell-windows-mindset/ LOL | May 13 17:47 |
| zer0c00l | :D | May 13 17:47 |
| zer0c00l | Dell is really sick of microsoft and windows | May 13 17:47 |
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| _Hicham_ | everyone is sick of microsoft and windows | May 13 17:50 |
| neighborlee | indeed | May 13 17:50 |
| _Hicham_ | neighborlee : what are the apps that u still use on windows? | May 13 17:50 |
| neighborlee | windows 7 IS lighter,,but its also M$..donig everything in my power to go fulltime linux and wine is going to be the only way I can do it. | May 13 17:50 |
| neighborlee | msaccess,,print artist.. | May 13 17:50 |
| neighborlee | few games | May 13 17:50 |
| neighborlee | I think I'll be ok overall with wine for all of it | May 13 17:51 |
| _Hicham_ | msaccess is accessible in Linux | May 13 17:51 |
| _Hicham_ | via OpenOffice DB | May 13 17:51 |
| neighborlee | yeah but | May 13 17:51 |
| neighborlee | only the data | May 13 17:51 |
| neighborlee | not the forms | May 13 17:52 |
| neighborlee | I gotta have form access..no pun intended ;))haha | May 13 17:52 |
| neighborlee | unless things have really changed from last time I use dit | May 13 17:52 |
| neighborlee | used ;) | May 13 17:52 |
| _Hicham_ | did u check OOo 3? | May 13 17:52 |
| neighborlee | possibly not | May 13 17:53 |
| neighborlee | I did several months ago, so it might well be working now shrug.. | May 13 17:53 |
| _Hicham_ | when was the last time u used OOo? | May 13 17:53 |
| neighborlee | would be amazing, and fix most of my business issues yes | May 13 17:53 |
| _Hicham_ | go and tries OOo 3.1 | May 13 17:53 |
| neighborlee | its been a year'ish afa trying to import mdb | May 13 17:53 |
| _Hicham_ | it is availabe in Fedora 11 | May 13 17:54 |
| neighborlee | yes as I say its either that, or wine | May 13 17:54 |
| neighborlee | yup | May 13 17:54 |
| _Hicham_ | you won't need wine | May 13 17:54 |
| neighborlee | well I Hope your right..that would certainly be wonderful. | May 13 17:54 |
| _Hicham_ | Even for, there are some interesting ones in Linux | May 13 17:54 |
| _Hicham_ | for games | May 13 17:54 |
| _Hicham_ | did u play postal2? | May 13 17:55 |
| neighborlee | THEN..I could switch maybe to some other business app and only use the other for reference..if I so chose I mean.. | May 13 17:55 |
| neighborlee | not my kind of game | May 13 17:55 |
| _Hicham_ | coldwar? | May 13 17:55 |
| neighborlee | diablo 2 | May 13 17:55 |
| _Hicham_ | is it available in Linux? | May 13 17:55 |
| neighborlee | a dear friend of mine adores that game..so we play it sometimes | May 13 17:55 |
| neighborlee | no | May 13 17:55 |
| _Hicham_ | wow | May 13 17:55 |
| _Hicham_ | that is not good | May 13 17:55 |
| neighborlee | blizzard isn't really linux friendly | May 13 17:55 |
| neighborlee | correct | May 13 17:55 |
| _Hicham_ | I am talking about native Linux games | May 13 17:55 |
| neighborlee | yup I know | May 13 17:55 |
| neighborlee | im working on finding a native linux something or other to replace diablo | May 13 17:56 |
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| neighborlee | Ill find something. | May 13 17:56 |
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| neighborlee | ok well.this better be good LOL..windows 7 is history <holds own hand for comfort> , here comes fedora 11 preview kde X86_64 | May 13 18:04 |
| neighborlee | bbs | May 13 18:05 |
| neighborlee | o_0 | May 13 18:05 |
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| schestowitz | Just finished watching "Money As Debt " < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVkFb26u9g8&feature=related >. A must-watch to all. | May 13 18:22 |
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| Carl_Rover2k12 | ello governor | May 13 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | Hey there. | May 13 19:04 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | hi | May 13 19:04 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | que pasa | May 13 19:04 |
| schestowitz | It seems true that Microsoft boosters were having their bait taken... | May 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | I just got this one. | May 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | === | May 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Roy, | May 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Check out the bullshit criteria, | May 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25004/1090/ | May 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | the title should take into account that they are not Brits, but really | May 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | MS boosters. | May 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | It's meant to bury more serious comparisons: | May 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/opinions/life-without-windows.html | May 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=business06_june27_2006 | May 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | There've been a lot more successful comparisons, but they sure are hard | May 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | to retrieve. | May 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | == | May 13 19:08 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: EU fined Intel for $1.44 Billion USD | May 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | But could Sam Varghese fall for it? | May 13 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: yes, I know | May 13 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Not good | May 13 19:09 |
| schestowitz | They should be embargoed | May 13 19:09 |
| Balrog_ | yes. I hear that EU law forbids a fine larger than 10% of last year's profits | May 13 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | May 13 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Puts it in perspective | May 13 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Do the crime | May 13 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Do ot | May 13 19:09 |
| schestowitz | "It will cost less to pay the fine" | May 13 19:09 |
| Balrog_ | well they'd better stop doing the crime | May 13 19:09 |
| schestowitz | It should be easy to embargo Intel | May 13 19:09 |
| Balrog_ | if they don't, more fines will be coming | May 13 19:10 |
| schestowitz | x86 replacements are compatible | May 13 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Not enough | May 13 19:10 |
| Balrog_ | well, first off, don't buy intel chipsets | May 13 19:10 |
| schestowitz | You need to punish then | May 13 19:10 |
| schestowitz | They were never punished...AND | May 13 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Who will fight them now? | May 13 19:10 |
| schestowitz | They injure competition | May 13 19:10 |
| Balrog_ | Europe will, if they keep doing evil | May 13 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: I don't buy Intel and I tell others likewise | May 13 19:10 |
| schestowitz | but most people don't know | May 13 19:10 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: problem is with all the cross licensing crap going on with x86-64 it will cause a ton of legal trouble | May 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | And Intel gets away with many crime | May 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | *mes | May 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Intel also shredded evidence, attacked OLPC, bribed, strongarmed partners, abused control of 'standards' like USB, colluded with Microsoft to sell 'junk PCs', abused its patents, retaliated, threatened competitors whose prices are lower, change US laws to harm Americans (Abramoff visas), and went pretty far to fix the price while moving its workforce to cheaper workforce pools. | May 13 19:11 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: right, the only good solution is to have OSs and apps more platform agnostic | May 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: this also means stop buying from Apple, esp. Macs | May 13 19:12 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: we need ARM and others to become more dominating hardwares | May 13 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Intel is neither good to Europe nor to America. Intel is an abusive, unaccountable private tyranny. The market thrives in choice, not monarchy that disregards the law which it co-creates. | May 13 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: some of this so-called chip "IP" is IBM and maybe Sun | May 13 19:12 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: Apple no longer uses intel chipsets | May 13 19:13 |
| schestowitz | China is already giving us a lesson anyway | May 13 19:13 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: well its one which was done ages ago by the likes of Sun and SGI | May 13 19:13 |
| schestowitz | I've just watched the documentary "Monet as Debt". If's very enlightening wrt this situation | May 13 19:13 |
| schestowitz | It also does put into perspective not just Microsoft's frail state but that of other peer corporations whose assets are debts | May 13 19:14 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: create your own hardware platform and a API or file system which can work as a virtual machine | May 13 19:14 |
| Balrog_ | now about intel processors ... you just can't get the same performance from AMD, unfortunately (yet) | May 13 19:14 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: you can get the same from most AMDs | May 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | There are new AMDs | May 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | 8 cores IIRC? | May 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Can't recall the details | May 13 19:14 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: its only the excruciatingly expensive i7s which truly run ahead | May 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Ether way, still expensive | May 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | China will catch up and go beyond them | May 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | For a fraction of the cost | May 13 19:15 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: not really | May 13 19:15 |
| Balrog_ | well, all the SSE stuff is hard to duplicate | May 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Why not? | May 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Intel makes its chips there | May 13 19:15 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: their fab sizes don't seem up to par yet | May 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | But it elevates the price for nothing | May 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: not yet | May 13 19:15 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: maybe if they steal some Taiwanese tech they can | May 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | But they could learn from Intel's | May 13 19:15 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: but learning from Intel means paying them | May 13 19:15 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: Intel has a patent and general IP for every single freaking thing they do | May 13 19:16 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: want to use anything that remotely resembles 32bit x86 assembler, you need to license it from them to sell it legally to most of the world | May 13 19:17 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: only a few companies like Transmeta managed to get around it through code morphing | May 13 19:17 |
| Balrog_ | Carl_Rover2k12: doesn't intel have most of Transmeta now? | May 13 19:17 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: I thought it was Nvidia | May 13 19:17 |
| schestowitz | My amicus brief is up there now: http://www.epo.org/patents/appeals/eba-decisions/referrals/pending/briefs.html | May 13 19:18 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: which is why Intel is strong arming Nvidia so much now and pushing them out of the motherboard business with their CPUs | May 13 19:18 |
| _Hicham_ | I didn't have to modify xorg.conf in Fedora 11, finally | May 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: not really | May 13 19:18 |
| _Hicham_ | I think Linux got over xorg.conf | May 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | the MS troll Mhyrvold bought Tranmeta patents | May 13 19:18 |
| Balrog_ | because nvidia makes chipsets that work well | May 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: they don't ask Intel | May 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | It's China | May 13 19:18 |
| Balrog_ | Apple switched to them | May 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | They just take it :--) | May 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: haha | May 13 19:19 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: I thought Nvidia though bought some of their patents for code morphing though | May 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | NVicdia and well in the same sentence? | May 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Apple has just sued NVIdia | May 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | I saw it yesterday | May 13 19:19 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: either way its interesting news that Windows 7 maybe ported over to ARM | May 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | NVidia has high defect rate | May 13 19:19 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: it seems that the Intel M$ love affair maybe ending | May 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | They dropped the ball; badly | May 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | They go through profit hell right now | May 13 19:19 |
| Balrog_ | ah, you mean Apple laptop *owners* | May 13 19:19 |
| Balrog_ | and dell and hp laptop owners | May 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: it is?? | May 13 19:20 |
| Balrog_ | over defective 8600M chips | May 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Vista7 for ARM? | May 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | I got the impressision that No | May 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | 1) too heavy | May 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | ARM is not fast enough for the VIsta series | May 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | 2) no third-party apps | May 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | There's no appeal to it | May 13 19:20 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: you sure? Windows NT4 was working for PPC, PA-RISC, MIP and Alpha RISC platforms | May 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Wait until the MS FUD campaign against ARM starts | May 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Like OLPC/Geode | May 13 19:21 |
| Balrog_ | but yeah, apple has not sued nvidia | May 13 19:21 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: Windows 7 is basically Windows NT stretched to its limits | May 13 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: I can't recall the details | May 13 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Posted here yesterday in IRC | May 13 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Inquirer | May 13 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Check this week's headline | May 13 19:21 |
| schestowitz | *s | May 13 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: it's Vista with attempts to slim it down | May 13 19:21 |
| Balrog_ | <http://www.geek.com/articles/news/nvidia-sued-over-faulty-laptops-clas-action-status-requested-20090513/> | May 13 19:22 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: exactly, and menu tweeks | May 13 19:22 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: Nvidia's reliability has been really faltering recently, which is why I am still exclusively looking into AMD and VIA hardware | May 13 19:23 |
| Balrog_ | nvidia has superior performance though | May 13 19:24 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: but that performance stems from their "most transistors" per a cm policy and constantly cramming more general purpose computing into their GPUs, which is really coming back to bite them | May 13 19:24 |
| Balrog_ | no, nvidia's problems are rooted more with laziness | May 13 19:25 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: AMD is now releasing air cooled 1Ghz clocked dual core graphics cards | May 13 19:25 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: Nvidia is not lazy, they constantly release revisions to their product line | May 13 19:26 |
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| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: for one thing they do it because they are not the ones producing the chipsets | May 13 19:26 |
| Balrog_ | no, they don't like to 'waste' defective materials | May 13 19:26 |
| Balrog_ | which they should not use | May 13 19:26 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: thats more of the OEM's fault | May 13 19:27 |
| Balrog_ | Carl_Rover2k12: how? | May 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | shoddy testing | May 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | [at nv] | May 13 19:27 |
| Balrog_ | all 8600M chips were made with bad substrate up until late this year | May 13 19:27 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: remember Nvidia doesn't own their own facilities, they lease the designs for their chipsets to OEMs | May 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Greed and arrogance | May 13 19:27 |
| Balrog_ | Carl_Rover2k12: no, not OEMs | May 13 19:27 |
| Balrog_ | rather fabs | May 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | They need to test them | May 13 19:28 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: AMD has an exclusive partner with Global Foundries and a few smaller OEMs | May 13 19:28 |
| Balrog_ | fabrication shops make the chips | May 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | That's what testing is for | May 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | You can patch sofwtare | May 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | You can't patch csilicon | May 13 19:28 |
| Balrog_ | well you can sometimes patch silicon | May 13 19:28 |
| Balrog_ | like microcode (in some cases) | May 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | And it f*s up the very core of a PC function-- display | May 13 19:28 |
| Balrog_ | but not usually | May 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Customers won't forget them | May 13 19:28 |
| Balrog_ | yes. | May 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | They'll avoid nv for life | May 13 19:28 |
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| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: less OEMs means less fabs and more assurance that they can inspect their quality. Nvidia's chipsets are more sophisticated then the competition, which also doesn't help insure reliability by the 3rd party | May 13 19:29 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: Nvidia simply followed the wrong design philosophy as a fabless company that leases to hundreds of OEMs | May 13 19:30 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: Apple's faults with Nvidia chipsets should lie with the OEM they are working with though, with the exception of the Geforce 8000s series notebook GPUs which have a design flaw when it comes to thermal efficiency. | May 13 19:31 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: if only companies like Matrox delivered a compelling product to the consumer space on time | May 13 19:33 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: do you really think Nvidia will go the way of 3Dfx? | May 13 19:35 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | I wish I was old enough to buy a computer in the 1980s, so many competitively good choices back then | May 13 19:38 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | but then I guess that was pre-Linux so thats moot to this channel | May 13 19:39 |
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| Carl_Rover2k12 | hi | May 13 19:40 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | silentivm: I hijacked the last topic so please offer us a new one :P | May 13 19:40 |
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| Balrog_ | Carl_Rover2k12: I don't think Apple bought the nvidia chips from some OEM | May 13 19:46 |
| Balrog_ | rather, they placed an order with nvidia, who then contracted with an OEM to have the chips made | May 13 19:46 |
| Balrog_ | and there's CUDA, which is rather useful | May 13 19:47 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: well, they probably took the designs from Nvidia and hit up their existing OEMs to manufacture them | May 13 19:47 |
| Balrog_ | not AFAIK | May 13 19:47 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: Nvidia Tesla graphic workstations are nice | May 13 19:47 |
| Balrog_ | *all* the major laptop manufacturers were affected | May 13 19:47 |
| Balrog_ | basically anyone who used the 8500M or 8600M were | May 13 19:47 |
| Balrog_ | was affected * | May 13 19:47 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: like I said this is the exception more then the norm, as the design fault clearly laid in the layout of the GPU and what materials Nvidia specified were ok to use | May 13 19:48 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: but you can't go blaming every single defect in a graphics card on the designer | May 13 19:49 |
| Balrog_ | read this article: <http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1050162/nvidia-recomends-not-buying-its-defective-chips> | May 13 19:49 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: exactly what I said, the Geforce 8 series GPU had clear design faults which Nvidia eventually took the blame for | May 13 19:49 |
| Balrog_ | << | May 13 19:50 |
| Balrog_ | NVIDIA is committed to providing our customers with quality products that push the edge of technology and also continuously improve product quality and reliability. To help improve the product quality and ensure smooth and uninterrupted product supply during the current “end stage” of life cycle, NVIDIA strongly recommends that customers transition to this latest revision of the NB8E-SET GPUs as soon as possible. These latest revision | May 13 19:50 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: but Nvidia doesn't go the same route of selling its graphic chipsets as AMD or Intel do | May 13 19:50 |
| neighborlee | oh great..can't go to article atm im updating new install | May 13 19:51 |
| neighborlee | and I have a 8800gtx o_0 | May 13 19:51 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: Nvidia avoids the high cost of supporting fabricating costs or the flexibility of ensuring their graphics cards are competitively priced by licensing their designs freely to OEMs. I am sure they must fit a certain criteria but they surely aren't as strict as Intel or AMD maybe. | May 13 19:52 |
| Balrog_ | neighborlee: 8800gtx should be OK | May 13 19:52 |
| Balrog_ | it's a different chip | May 13 19:52 |
| neighborlee | kk thx | May 13 19:52 |
| Balrog_ | only 8500M, 8600M, and early 9600M/9650M chips are affected | May 13 19:53 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: and 8800 comes from a higher quality of fab yields | May 13 19:53 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | I meant the GPU of those graphic chipsets | May 13 19:55 |
| Balrog_ | yaeh | May 13 19:56 |
| Balrog_ | yeah * | May 13 19:56 |
| Balrog_ | isn't the early 9600M just a relabeled 8600? | May 13 19:56 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: no it is improved upon with updated shaders and more bandwidth | May 13 19:57 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: I guess you can consider it incremental though | May 13 19:59 |
| Balrog_ | ok. | May 13 19:59 |
| Balrog_ | then why did the problem continue into the early 9600M? | May 13 19:59 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: probably because it wasn't disclosed that Nvidia was still specifying the use of crappy materials and there were probably still inherent design flaws carried from the 8600 | May 13 20:01 |
| Balrog_ | I see. the problems did go away quite quickly though | May 13 20:01 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | I suppose but I wonder if this will get OEMs to deviate more when it comes to the specification which Nvidia may list for graphic chipsets in the future | May 13 20:08 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | they may even underclock certain graphic cards and use more expensive materials then what is specified, which will surely effect the performance per price ratio | May 13 20:09 |
| Balrog_ | Apple underclocks | May 13 20:09 |
| Balrog_ | that didn't help though | May 13 20:09 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: true, so who knows Apple may probably go back to exclusively Intel for their base line Macbooks | May 13 20:10 |
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| Balrog_ | heh, I doubt it | May 13 20:11 |
| Balrog_ | they're putting a lot of effort into GPGPU type technology, and intel doesn't provide it | May 13 20:11 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: Intel is working on Lartlebee though, which is supposed to have those aspects | May 13 20:13 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | oops I meant Larrabee | May 13 20:14 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | all this wierd codenames | May 13 20:15 |
| Balrog_ | we shall see | May 13 20:15 |
| *schestowitz catches up | May 13 20:16 | |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: we should know here that performance doesn't matter when you can buy your way into product packaging promiscuity ;) | May 13 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft-friendly Press Thinks Cisco Might Buy Novell < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/13/motley-fool-on-cisco-novell/ > | May 13 20:17 |
| Balrog_ | Carl_Rover2k12: explain | May 13 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Novell Still Validates Software Patents by Applying for More < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/13/novell-applies-software-patents/ > | May 13 20:17 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: how M$ and Intel tip PC and OEMs extra to exclusively package their product in their entire lineup | May 13 20:17 |
| Balrog_ | well yeah :\ | May 13 20:17 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: why in the world would Cisco need Novell? | May 13 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Ask the dudes from Motley MS. | May 13 20:20 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: besides another channel to push their network chipsets? | May 13 20:20 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: these acquisitions under-neith are probably for execs to pocket extra and create back channels with other boards of publicly traded companies without tripping that SEC rule which they so surely slapped on Apple and Google | May 13 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Does the SEC ever block anything? | May 13 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Or even the FTC for that matter? | May 13 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Did they ever block anything in recent years? | May 13 20:25 |
| schestowitz | I think Google/Yahoo sabotage was Kohl at the DOJ. | May 13 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Under the pressure and at the behest of MS cronies, of course | May 13 20:26 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: only that whos agents had no former connections to or are not being lobbied by | May 13 20:26 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: then once these heads of government agencies retire they usually join the lobbying firms of those who granted the most contributions during their tenure | May 13 20:27 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | I think a new system of monetary exchange needs to applied to representing officials in democratic republics | May 13 20:28 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: awesome, you linked that "Money As Debt" Animation | May 13 20:29 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: Congress, Senate and heads of government agencies should only be paid in food stamps and gift cards for government funded retail outlets while have utility bills handled for them through public financing with federal court oversight | May 13 20:31 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | and be banned from taking contributed private capital or be capped at a certain wage when taking a private job | May 13 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: yes, I linked to it | May 13 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the reactions will deviate off subject | May 13 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: your solution won't work easily | May 13 20:34 |
| schestowitz | I don't know if there is one | May 13 20:34 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: it would be like the video stated, a complete overhaul of the monetary system and who owns it | May 13 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Twitter Quadruples Audience in 2 Months < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/05/13/twitter-quadruples-audience-in-2-months > | May 13 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: good luck with that | May 13 20:35 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: indeed | May 13 20:36 |
| schestowitz | They'll send the military industrial complex(R) to ya house! ;-) | May 13 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Google To Expand Trademark Bidding Worldwide < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/05/13/google-to-expand-trademark-bidding-worldwide > | May 13 20:36 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: naw, just Policemen with a warrant issued by Homeland Security | May 13 20:36 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: and payed for by them through private banks | May 13 20:37 |
| schestowitz | The smear campaign against Kroes has begun (watch picture): http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137311/intel-guilty-fined-eur1-06-billion-eu | May 13 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: It doesn't come from individual | May 13 20:40 |
| schestowitz | It comes from labour/union | May 13 20:40 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't exist in the US | May 13 20:40 |
| schestowitz | They deliberately killed it | May 13 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Decades ago | May 13 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Right now they'll attack it or daemonise it before it even has the chance to be formed. They have legal mechanisms they created to facilitate such mind/crowd control. RMS has warned about such things too if I may add. | May 13 20:41 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: I think the Inquirer is trying to make her look badass | May 13 20:42 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | pardon my language | May 13 20:42 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: they have always been critical of Intel's practices and price models, while praising their chips | May 13 20:42 |
| schestowitz | OpenedHand has just been scooped up by the criminal: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137307/intel-buys-open-source-firm | May 13 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know | May 13 20:43 |
| schestowitz | I knew who wrote this based on the headline alone | May 13 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Charlie would be different | May 13 20:43 |
| schestowitz | I look at the pictures different sites choose for Kroes to interpret convictions | May 13 20:43 |
| Balrog_ | well, Intel chips do work well ... probably in part due to Transmeta and DEC Alpha technology, in part | May 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Did you see Intel's PR stunt? | May 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | New facility in Germany | May 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | How big? | May 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Nothing | May 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Not important | May 13 20:44 |
| Balrog_ | (yes, Intel got DEC's Alpha tech.) | May 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Just 70 people | May 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | When was it opened? | May 13 20:44 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: all the "good guys" in the tech industry seem to have at least part of their development base in Finland | May 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | You've guessed it. | May 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | TODAY | May 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Just a 'coincidence' | May 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Poor Intel | May 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | "they create jobs in Europe and the evil lady attacks them" | May 13 20:44 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: Intel doesn't use Transmeta tech, its the biggest threat to their x86 dominance | May 13 20:45 |
| Balrog_ | "On October 24, 2007 Transmeta announced settlement of its lawsuit against Intel, granting Intel access to their patent portfolio and gaining $250 million in the process." | May 13 20:45 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: and if Intel used DEC Alpha tech their Itaniums wouldn't have failed so hard | May 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Ladies and gents, | May 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Get those printers rolling | May 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | France might bail out chip industry < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137309/france-bail-chip-industry > | May 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | See? | May 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Economy is simple | May 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Why worry? | May 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Got problem? Print a soltuion | May 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Capicommunism | May 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | If you fail you succceed | May 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | When you succeed you succeed | May 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | As long as the government loves you :-) | May 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Will you bail me out, Uncle? PLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEASEE | May 13 20:47 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: actually there was another word for it, which equated to socialist type spending to allocate funds to private businesses | May 13 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 13 20:47 |
| schestowitz | They love capitalism | May 13 20:47 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: and thus in affect creating a plutocratic fascist uber class | May 13 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Communism is good when they need rescue | May 13 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Tough love | May 13 20:47 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: its not Communism, its Fascism silly | May 13 20:47 |
| schestowitz | OK | May 13 20:48 |
| Balrog_ | no, it's totalitarianism ... or leads to that in the end | May 13 20:48 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: read Mussolini's literature it has stark similarities in the way government officials treat their best business partners | May 13 20:48 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | Balrog_: not really since its more then one person or organization being able to rule | May 13 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Similar to whose? | May 13 20:48 |
| kentma | sort of. Steal £1,000 and go to jail, Steal £10,000 and get a slapped wrist, but steal a £billion and you get a bonus, and bailed out too. | May 13 20:48 |
| schestowitz | so Madogg is in the middle somewhere | May 13 20:49 |
| schestowitz | he stole tends of billions and gets to rest at home | May 13 20:50 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: want to go deep into the rabbit hole read this shit: http://spitfirelist.com/ | May 13 20:50 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: this guy is predicting the breakup of the United States now into fascist plutocratic sub-unions | May 13 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Netbook demand dropped 26% in Q1 < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/05/13/q1_netbook_market_displaysearch/ >. shot in the ARM is coming. | May 13 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: do you know the man who talks about US debt being $56 trillion? | May 13 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Former treasurer or something | May 13 20:52 |
| trmanco | wow | May 13 20:52 |
| trmanco | http://linux.com/ | May 13 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: bookmarked for later | May 13 20:52 |
| trmanco | built on Joomla | May 13 20:52 |
| trmanco | what a nice designed website it is | May 13 20:53 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: It is probably close to accurate, but the fact is the US can probably go deeper into debt so long it keeps status quo with China and EU being its lender | May 13 20:53 |
| Balrog_ | many people don't like joomla | May 13 20:53 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I can hardly find those old articles | May 13 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Maybe too deep inside | May 13 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Concealed almost | May 13 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Long live the press. | May 13 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: EU is also deep in debt | May 13 20:54 |
| schestowitz | The UK in particular (per capita) | May 13 20:54 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: Spain more so | May 13 20:54 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: we don't know China's true figures | May 13 20:54 |
| schestowitz | I didn't check | May 13 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Couldn't find it | May 13 20:54 |
| schestowitz | The figures are hard to come by | May 13 20:54 |
| schestowitz | By design, I'm sure | May 13 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Wikipedia had a good index | May 13 20:54 |
| schestowitz | It had an article on "national debt" IIRC | May 13 20:55 |
| schestowitz | So I got some #s from there | May 13 20:55 |
| schestowitz | http://linux.com/news/software/applications | May 13 20:56 |
| schestowitz | On the 'landfill' called Africa: Dell bans e-waste export to developing countries < http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-technology/dell-bans-ewaste-export-to-developing-countries-20090513-b24i.html > | May 13 20:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/13/intel_civil_cases/ "The European Commission has issued its biggest ever competition law fine to computer chip maker Intel. One competition law expert said that the billion euro fine will "open the floodgates" for civil actions that could cost the company further." | May 13 20:58 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: but the Chinese government as a single authoritarian party with close command to one of the largest militaries on earth can probably forgo the debt and make a critical economic change without raging wide secession | May 13 20:59 |
| schestowitz | This is very good. Intel got away with a lot of crime and a minuscule fine. | May 13 20:59 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: because afterall, France needs Intel's fabs | May 13 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Needs? | May 13 21:00 |
| schestowitz | It's very few jobs | May 13 21:00 |
| schestowitz | The big jobs are in areas like farming, I think | May 13 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Depends on how you measure yield | May 13 21:00 |
| schestowitz | The UK exports a lot of 'knowledge' but imports a lot of physical things to maintain high living standards | May 13 21:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/13/seagate_job_cuts/ "Seagate is cutting a further 1,100 jobs with a view to reaching break-even point, aiming to save $125m a year." | May 13 21:01 |
| schestowitz | I hate Seagate as much as it hates decent Linux support, so this is good. | May 13 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Oracle buys Virtual Iron < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/13/oracle_buys_virtual_iron/ > | May 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | See how the giant scoop up all the startups? (that don't die) | May 13 21:02 |
| kentma | schestowitz: there's an interesting, almost darwinian, struggle going on out there in business land. | May 13 21:06 |
| kentma | schestowitz: those "knowledge" based companies which made it by in the 1970s & 1980s are now desperately trying to kill off the open-knowledge companies at birth by "depriving them of air-supply", or, if they do too well, buying them up. The real question is... how deep are the pockets of Microsoft, Oracle, etc.? | May 13 21:08 |
| kentma | "made it big", not "made it by" | May 13 21:08 |
| schestowitz | MySQL for example? | May 13 21:08 |
| kentma | The current and most critical example is mysql. Will the gnu generation rescue it? | May 13 21:08 |
| kentma | hehe - snap. | May 13 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Oracle has screwed them over many times | May 13 21:08 |
| schestowitz | I've not heard about mysql in week | May 13 21:09 |
| schestowitz | *weeks | May 13 21:09 |
| kentma | but not often enough, at least, not yet, anyway. | May 13 21:09 |
| kentma | The acid test is going to be whether users leave mysql for postgres. | May 13 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Flu victim's husband eyes pig farm suit < http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Flu_victims_husband_eyes_pig_farm_suit.html > | May 13 21:09 |
| schestowitz | kentma: leave? What for? | May 13 21:09 |
| schestowitz | I wonder what went on in the Oracle board room | May 13 21:10 |
| schestowitz | They didn't need Sun | May 13 21:10 |
| kentma | to depart oracle. | May 13 21:10 |
| schestowitz | But to kill FOSS DBs alone was worth the money | May 13 21:10 |
| kentma | in order to depart oracle, I mean. | May 13 21:10 |
| schestowitz | There's mariadb | May 13 21:11 |
| schestowitz | From the original mysql people | May 13 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Seems safer to go there | May 13 21:11 |
| kentma | we will need the major projects to move, though, like mythtv, evolution and so on. | May 13 21:11 |
| kentma | how can you hold a farm responsible for a new disease? | May 13 21:12 |
| schestowitz | ComScore: UK News Sites Still Popular Overseas, FT.com Traffic Down < http://www.paidcontent.co.uk/entry/419-comscore-43-percent-read-newspapers-online-foreign-readership-still-hug/ > | May 13 21:12 |
| schestowitz | kentma: I don't know about this disease | May 13 21:12 |
| schestowitz | I keep hearing from info sources and disinfo/misinfo. | May 13 21:13 |
| schestowitz | I can imagine who gains anyway | May 13 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Gooogle needs mysql too | May 13 21:13 |
| schestowitz | And others | May 13 21:13 |
| schestowitz | IBM is near postgres | May 13 21:13 |
| schestowitz | I wish I knew what Oracle was thinking | May 13 21:14 |
| schestowitz | New from Glyn: The Open Database Alliance: Forking MySQL? < http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?blogid=14&entryid=2182 > | May 13 21:14 |
| trmanco | looks like Icaza has been contracted to some microsoft troll agency | May 13 21:14 |
| trmanco | by* | May 13 21:14 |
| schestowitz | CHina gets China gets its own proprietary OS: China deploys secure computer operating system < http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-technology/china-deploys-secure-computer-operating-system-20090513-b24h.html > | May 13 21:16 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: in USENET? | May 13 21:16 |
| trmanco | yes | May 13 21:16 |
| schestowitz | He's always like that | May 13 21:16 |
| schestowitz | He's been posting in COLA on occasions for years | May 13 21:16 |
| schestowitz | I love it when he embraces trolls like Gary Fltf*ck S. and Qook | May 13 21:16 |
| trmanco | I might.... $filter = new filter (); $filter->killfile(Icaza); | May 13 21:17 |
| schestowitz | It makes him stoop down to the level he fits | May 13 21:17 |
| trmanco | yeah | May 13 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Qook: "Linux sucks. Are you INSANE?" | May 13 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Cazacaza: "yeah, yeah.. Microsoft is so powerful and we're so tiny" | May 13 21:17 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, | May 13 21:18 |
| trmanco | maybe it isn't him | May 13 21:18 |
| trmanco | have you thought about that? | May 13 21:18 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8047477.stm "Just 13% of people arrested under Britain's terrorism laws since the 9/11 attacks were convicted of terror offences, Home Office figures show." | May 13 21:20 |
| trmanco | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f337ff8f25506fc4 | May 13 21:20 |
| schestowitz | The War on the Innocent | May 13 21:20 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it's him | May 13 21:20 |
| trmanco | but his writing style is very similar to his last posts | May 13 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Interesting | May 13 21:21 |
| trmanco | between Homer | May 13 21:23 |
| schestowitz | http://thenextweb.com/2009/05/13/privacysweater/ Fashion + Technology = The Privacy Pullover <<--- hehe | May 13 21:23 |
| schestowitz | He spoke about his history | May 13 21:24 |
| schestowitz | At first I though there might be two of them there | May 13 21:24 |
| schestowitz | But it's unlikely as he would call it immediately (imposter) | May 13 21:24 |
| trmanco | he also goes with the lie of linux market share being low | May 13 21:24 |
| trmanco | there is more to the world than just the US | May 13 21:24 |
| trmanco | ... | May 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | De I has imposters in Slashdot | May 13 21:25 |
| trmanco | I see that intel got sued pretty baldy today by the EU | May 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Not sued | May 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Convicted | May 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | And fin decided on /fanalised | May 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Criminals should be in jail | May 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Not fined | May 13 21:25 |
| trmanco | hmmm | May 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | It's a farce | May 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Intel got its way | May 13 21:25 |
| trmanco | but how can you put a "monster" in jail? | May 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Do some crime, get rich, pay 'commissions' (fine) | May 13 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Fine? They say, FINE! | May 13 21:26 |
| schestowitz | "Fine, we'll pay it. We made tens of billions criminally already" | May 13 21:26 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: embargo | May 13 21:26 |
| schestowitz | http://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-king-of-copyright-infringements-090512/ MAFIAA #s | May 13 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Website exposes MEPs' voting records ahead of EU poll[ < http://www.euractiv.com/en/eu-elections/website-exposes-meps-voting-records-ahead-eu-poll/article-182232?Ref=RSS > | May 13 21:36 |
| schestowitz | "During peak hours, BBC iPlayer pumps out 12GB of data every second, and seven petabytes (PB) of data every month." http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,1000000097,39650936,00.htm | May 13 21:39 |
| Balrog_ | heh, use of 'i' by a non-Apple company ;) | May 13 21:39 |
| schestowitz | iDon'tGivea* | May 13 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Mass Surveillance is neither Intelligence nor intelligent < http://www.richardskingdom.net/mass-surveillance-is-neither-intelligence-nor-intelligent > | May 13 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Mass marking of Firefox' competitor: Google Offers Chrome to the TV Advertising Gods < http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/67054.html > | May 13 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | So pessimistic on Java/Android?.. Weird, it's doing well... http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/fsm_newsletter_XX_april_2009_iphone_too_sexy_or_android_not_sexy_enough | May 13 21:53 |
| schestowitz | OpenOffice.org 3.2 is coming (Oracle not standing in the way): http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/news/sun_developer_on_the_security_of_openoffice Sun Developer on the Security of OpenOffice | May 13 21:57 |
| dsmith_ | good | May 13 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | Intel, Antitrust, and the EU Commission: AMD Told the Truth < http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090513124609396 > Intel starts lying again. | May 13 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Here we go again: "Ubuntu One" name creates confusion < https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubunet/+bug/375345 > | May 13 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Here's a good headline for a good post: "retail shelves are rented" < http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-05-13-009-35-OP-DT-0001 > | May 13 22:09 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz: is that website coming up slow for you..sure is here | May 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | May 13 22:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-05-13-014-35-NW-MS-0002 | May 13 22:20 |
| schestowitz | stages defeat to come? | May 13 22:20 |
| schestowitz | *staged | May 13 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | Softer in Juniper: Juniper ships switch optimized for the cloud < http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9132945&source=rss_news > | May 13 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Guatemala: In YouTube Video Shot Before His Death, Attorney Blames President for His Assasination < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/11/guatemala-in-youtube.html > | May 13 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Wisconsin court upholds GPS tracking by police http://www.chicagotribune.com/technology/chi-ap-wi-gps-police,0,5867383.story | May 13 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Bishop's damage control for major loss at Microsoft: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/NYT_and_Microsoft_part_ways_on_technology_but_not_entirely_44801297.html: | May 13 22:40 |
| MinceR | gn | May 13 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Hats off to the GNU: Maine School Switches to Gentoo Linux < http://www.upgradepcs.com/maine-school-switches-to-gentoo-linux > Nice site theme, too | May 13 22:51 |
| schestowitz | http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-technology/china-deploys-secure-computer-operating-system-20090513-b24h.html We should not underestimate China. It's quite likely the world's next biggest and baddest superpower, like the US in the 90s. | May 13 22:56 |
| schestowitz | :-( The Asay gang o' chums is spoiling it totally for real FOSS. The proprietors whose daily in-use software is proprietary (Windows/Mac) are somehow experts now when it comes to EU policy. Glyn's take on this is far better than all 3 combined. It's in Linux Journal. | May 13 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | Vay Guy just gave a good word to Motley Fool and Barron's. Ha!! He can't be serious. I have kept track of both these sites for years and along with MSNBC they are notorious for being tied to Microsoft (MSN for example) and they were even accused by other sites like MarketWatch of pumping Microsoft's stock. | May 13 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://forums.untangle.com/installation/9271-announcement-untangle-ubuntu-discontinued.html "Sadly, Untangle on Ubuntu is officially being discontinued. Originally we were very excited to offer Untangle support on Ubuntu so that developers could work on open-source mashups like running Untangle on the same server as other apps." | May 13 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Yo _Goblin | May 13 23:13 |
| _Goblin | hi! | May 13 23:13 |
| schestowitz | http://notnews.today.com/2009/05/12/murdoch-free-internet-is-over/ | May 13 23:13 |
| schestowitz | MS shill | May 13 23:13 |
| schestowitz | And a goblin, I think | May 13 23:13 |
| _Goblin | :) | May 13 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Just found it, that's all | May 13 23:14 |
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| _Goblin | Ive just looked at my email - over 100 on Frank/Flatfish from the ng's | May 13 23:15 |
| _Goblin | oh hang on | May 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/12/FeatureList (Releases/12/FeatureList) Empathy in F12. What's it coded in? | May 13 23:16 |
| _Goblin | someone doesnt know how to email... | May 13 23:16 |
| _Goblin | alot are dupes...correct that...about 30 unique emails on the shiller Frank | May 13 23:16 |
| _Goblin | seems even legit Windows users dont like him. | May 13 23:17 |
| _Goblin | Roy I meant to say. Im loving Crunchbang. Its made a convert out of me! | May 13 23:18 |
| schestowitz | BTW, my feed in your site seems broken | May 13 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Same for your Twitter feed | May 13 23:18 |
| _Goblin | Ill have a look... | May 13 23:18 |
| _Goblin | sorry mate, Ill sort it out now. | May 13 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Crunchbang=Ubuntu+goodies | May 13 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Good to know more people use the #@21!!#@$Crunchbang | May 13 23:18 |
| _Goblin | I love Irssi! | May 13 23:18 |
| _Goblin | There the BN RSS widget is fixed. Sorry Roy, I hadnt noticed it was down. | May 13 23:20 |
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| _Goblin | Craig Mundie on the science panel over in the US? - Let me guess, the futures bright, the futures Microsoft | May 13 23:29 |
| schestowitz | They run the country, like many others | May 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | The heroes are those with wealth | May 13 23:39 |
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| schestowitz | Poor people evil; Donald Trump=angel. That's how people are learned to think anyway and in the eyes on many Americans Microsoft is successful, not thuggish. | May 13 23:40 |
| neighborlee | only thing donald is , is horny and probably getting some after letting blonde off of charges LOL>.things might heat up though after hearing co-producer or something resigned .. | May 13 23:43 |
| schestowitz | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/04/now-accepting-nominations-for-5th.html | May 13 23:43 |
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