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| schestowitz | Exactly 6,300 posts in BN now, Netcraft rank is 1954th, around the same as Groklaw's | May 14 00:14 |
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| _Goblin | makes my 201 seem a little pathetic | May 14 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Posts? | May 14 00:16 |
| _Goblin | yeah | May 14 00:16 |
| schestowitz | We started slow too | May 14 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Like 2 posts/day | May 14 00:16 |
| schestowitz | As more people started reading (mostly RSS downloads), then came the need to keep up pace | May 14 00:16 |
| schestowitz | I used to just post my BN posts in schestowitz.com as well. | May 14 00:17 |
| _Goblin | In respect of hits over the last few months (since I created openbytes) I started on about 20 hits a day. That has now become atleast 150 per day. Im slowly building it up! | May 14 00:17 |
| _Goblin | I think my best day was 500 | May 14 00:18 |
| _Goblin | and that was when I was challenging Neowin | May 14 00:18 |
| _Goblin | seems alot of people liked that one | May 14 00:18 |
| schestowitz | What counts as hits? | May 14 00:18 |
| schestowitz | These things are too confusing because of ambiguity | May 14 00:19 |
| _Goblin | Independent IP's not repeats visits by the same IP | May 14 00:19 |
| _Goblin | and it doesnt count mine | May 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | The new wordpress UI is also polling for composer changes (seeing if I make changes), so that generates many hits | May 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | So that's UIPs | May 14 00:20 |
| _Goblin | it shouldnt count your own IP. Unless its not static ofcourse | May 14 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Not the same as hits (file) | May 14 00:20 |
| schestowitz | The MSBBC goes to Seattle to advertise Microsoft: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8047492.stm | May 14 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Sabily 9.04 - Ubuntu for Muslims < http://news.softpedia.com/news/Sabily-9-04-Ubuntu-for-Muslims-111451.shtml >. | May 14 00:25 |
| neonfloss | _Goblin, whats your site? | May 14 00:40 |
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| _Goblin | Sorry, I was AFK | May 14 00:45 |
| _Goblin | neonfloss: www.openbytes.wordpress.com | May 14 00:45 |
| neonfloss | :) | May 14 00:47 |
| _Goblin | Right, I think Im just about done for the night... | May 14 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Bush bashing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AShdIoYX87c&feature=related | May 14 01:30 |
| schestowitz | So it's true that USD has not been tied to gold since the 1970s: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEil6YyaWKY&NR=1 | May 14 01:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxoP_9W6FC8&feature=related Those silly reporters day "powerpoint presentation" (free advertising) | May 14 01:49 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/13/internet-explorer-8-vs-google-chrome-the-duel/ | May 14 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | I reviewed IE 8 | May 14 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 14 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | I mentioned that it's the slowest browser on Windows, the least standards compliant, and the least secure with the vast majority of it's "security" meant to make using competitors plugins a nerve wracking experience | May 14 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | and that Microsoft's own formats are not constrained in the least with IE's default settings | May 14 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | and that it tries to trick the user into letting it hijack all of its settings back, and isntall Live Search into competing browsers | May 14 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/13/microsoft-paid-anti-linux-stooges-at-lenovo/ | May 14 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/microsofts-anti-ipod-ad-shows-how-out-of-touch-their-zune-division-is/ | May 14 02:36 |
| *DaemonFC was bored :P | May 14 02:36 | |
| DaemonFC | "Would you rather have 180 real songs to keep or a lot of dead bits when you stop paying Microsoft?" | May 14 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 14 02:37 |
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| schestowitz | Morning.. | May 14 08:08 |
| oiaohm_ | http://blogs.zdnet.com/virtualization/?p=935 Oracle is still in expand mode. | May 14 08:08 |
| schestowitz | yeah] | May 14 08:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Did you see my post about MSIE? | May 14 08:09 |
| schestowitz | not yet | May 14 08:09 |
| oiaohm_ | Oracle is taking good advantage of this downturn. | May 14 08:09 |
| schestowitz | Re "Microsoft-paid anti Linux stooges at Lenovo" | May 14 08:10 |
| schestowitz | Any proof there? | May 14 08:10 |
| schestowitz | I'm not seeing it, but Microsoft has execs inside Lenovo | May 14 08:11 |
| oiaohm_ | Lenovo actions are also hide protecting. | May 14 08:11 |
| oiaohm_ | Lenovo has not been in the arm processor game. | May 14 08:11 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: where it the proof | May 14 08:12 |
| oiaohm_ | Some of these shills don't have to be motivated by MS goals. | May 14 08:12 |
| schestowitz | That they are directly paid by MS for the FUS? | May 14 08:12 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: My point was nobody would sing high praises for Windows unless their salary depended on it | May 14 08:14 |
| DaemonFC | if he had nothing to lose personally if Lenovo shipped Linux or other netbook makers chose it | May 14 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | why would he just say such lies? | May 14 08:15 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather produce proof | May 14 08:21 |
| schestowitz | Do some googling on the guy's name | May 14 08:21 |
| schestowitz | See if he has MSFT-esque history | May 14 08:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/microsofts-anti-ipod-ad-shows-how-out-of-touch-their-zune-division-is/ | May 14 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | May 14 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?page_id=20 | May 14 08:23 |
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| schestowitz | # | May 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | Categories | May 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | * Branding (14) | May 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | * Customer Conversations (18) | May 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | * Decision Making Process (4) | May 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | * Emerging Technologies (27) | May 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | * Features (23) | May 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | * Housekeeping (6) | May 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | * Portability and Mobility (45) | May 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | * Product Comparisons (6) | May 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | * Vista (7) | May 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | Something is missing | May 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | No Mac | May 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | No Linux | May 14 08:25 |
| schestowitz | VISTA ! Yeahhhhh | May 14 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: MS says you can't do in place upgrades from XP to 7 for security reasons | May 14 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | they say that since XP was less secure than Windows 7, you may have spyware or viruses in place that make their way into the new Windows 7 install | May 14 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | funny how every OS is marketed as perfect, then 2-3 years later they're like "Oh yeah, it's crap, this new one will fix it all" | May 14 08:29 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 08:29 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They gave the lamest reason for going from Vista to 7 | May 14 08:29 |
| schestowitz | They help the funding of brainwash now: Washington State Slashes Taxes For Newspapers; Will Similar Efforts Follow? < http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-taxbreaks-for-newspapers/ > Reidiculous | May 14 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | it saves some RAM by not duplicating certain things from the GPU memory into system RAM | May 14 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | they made the extreme case of having 20 windows opened and visible | May 14 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Vista uses 50 MB more RAM than 7 for that | May 14 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | but for the price of a Windows 7 upgrade disc, I could put 16 gigs in a Vista box | May 14 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | and get a much better return on investment | May 14 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | and probably money left over | May 14 08:31 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | May 14 08:31 |
| schestowitz | Well, Vista 7 is Vista | May 14 08:31 |
| schestowitz | With some changes | May 14 08:31 |
| schestowitz | +m arketing | May 14 08:31 |
| schestowitz | They guard its image | May 14 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | well, bang for buck, you'd be better off keeping Vista and getting more RAM | May 14 08:31 |
| schestowitz | Whenever I see critics of Vista7 they get attacked mercilessly | May 14 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | if that's the only tangible benefit they can name :) | May 14 08:32 |
| schestowitz | They probably get shut up this way | May 14 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed IE 8 and Windows Live Mail both have the Windows 7 user interface | May 14 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | they don't comply with Windows Vista human interface guidelines | May 14 08:32 |
| schestowitz | The Inside Word: Search Executive Accuses Google Of Being Copycat http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-poster-why-isnt-google-more-like-wal-mart/ | May 14 08:33 |
| DaemonFC | meh, Google has good stuff | May 14 08:35 |
| schestowitz | Paid Search Traffic Down Sharply http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-paid-search-traffic-plummets/ | May 14 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | I do wish they'd do a proper X86-64 port of Google Desktop though | May 14 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | the one they have only kind of half works with XP or Vista X64 | May 14 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I notice that the ICD for OpenGL 3 is pretty decent | May 14 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | Sauerbraten is running better on Vista than XP | May 14 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | errr, Nvidia's ICD that is | May 14 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | dunno what AMD is doing | May 14 08:38 |
| schestowitz | Depends on the HW | May 14 08:51 |
| schestowitz | If you have spare resources, then.. | May 14 08:51 |
| schestowitz | Snow Leopard, Jobs to miss Apple geekfest < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/13/no_snow_at_wwdc/ > | May 14 08:52 |
| oiaohm_ | MS has to use the wolves to protect Windows 7. | May 14 08:53 |
| oiaohm_ | What will MS have that is profitable without it. | May 14 08:53 |
| oiaohm_ | Price they are selling XP at is not really profitable. | May 14 08:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/13/google_and_openness/ ""Open is better than closed," the company says. Open "enhances competition" and "encourages innovation." But if you ask the company to discuss its openness, it's not too open about it." | May 14 08:53 |
| schestowitz | Google is indeed criticised for being secretive | May 14 08:54 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: same for Office | May 14 08:54 |
| schestowitz | Either $0 (if you can't afford it) or dumped, e.g. on students | May 14 08:54 |
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| oiaohm_ | Same stuff about google applies to MS search and yahoos. | May 14 08:58 |
| oiaohm_ | Dumping software long term is only profitable if you can lift price. | May 14 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | I have XP Pro, XP Home, XP Pro x64, Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs, Windows Server 2003 Standard and Enterprise, Vista Business and Ultimate x64, and Windows Server 2008 Standard and Enterprise | May 14 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | if you want to go back, I also have Windows 2000 Pro and Advanced Server | May 14 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Me | May 14 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 98 | May 14 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | NT 4 Workstation and Server | May 14 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | 95 | May 14 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | 95 OSR 2, OSR 2.1, OSR 2.5 | May 14 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | NT 3.51, 3.1 | May 14 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | basically everything Microsoft has ever released | May 14 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 14 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 2000 is still my favorite :) | May 14 09:02 |
| schestowitz | I used it briefy at work (dual boot) | May 14 09:02 |
| oiaohm_ | For application support XP has it. | May 14 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | 2000 can run anything XP can | May 14 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | they're basically the same thing | May 14 09:02 |
| oiaohm_ | 2000 application compadiblity system was not to the same level as XP's. | May 14 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | only 2000 is a lot less bloated | May 14 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | I never had trouble with it | May 14 09:03 |
| oiaohm_ | 2000 with XP application compadiblity system is nice. | May 14 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | 2000 would only run into trouble with SOME Windows 9x stuff, that was rare | May 14 09:04 |
| oiaohm_ | XP has a few extra shims to correct the Windows 9x stuff. | May 14 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | and still runs most anything that XP or Vista can | May 14 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | unless they're hardcoded it not to run on 2000 | May 14 09:04 |
| oiaohm_ | There is a shim to deal with that. | May 14 09:04 |
| oiaohm_ | XP has it. | May 14 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | no, I mean like EA games | May 14 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | they have their newer stuff hardcoded to not run on Win2K | May 14 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | you have to hack the EXE | May 14 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 09:05 |
| oiaohm_ | Shim changes the version of OS returned to the application. | May 14 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | nope | May 14 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | cause I told XP X64 to tell Windows Live setup that it was Windows XP | May 14 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | and it still told me XP X64 wasn't supported | May 14 09:05 |
| oiaohm_ | 64 bit is detectable. | May 14 09:06 |
| oiaohm_ | There is no shim to hide that bit yet. | May 14 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up grabbing the MSI files it pulled in | May 14 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | and unpacking them myself | May 14 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | and it runs fine :) | May 14 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | brb | May 14 09:06 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft’s Sabotage of ODF Interoperability Pays Off < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/14/microsoft-sabotage-of-interoperability/ > | May 14 09:14 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, schestowitz: I tried SimplyMepis | May 14 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | found it to be Simply Awful :) | May 14 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | mainly the fact that there was no clear way to get my network up and running | May 14 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | and it won't let you install to anything other than Ext3 | May 14 09:24 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi All! | May 14 09:29 |
| schestowitz | Hi | May 14 09:32 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: wifi? | May 14 09:32 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC is wired | May 14 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | wifi or wired | May 14 09:35 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft — With Earnings Down 32% — Wants to Enter More Hardware Markets < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/14/microsoft-hardware-markets/ > | May 14 09:35 |
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| MinceR | r4wr | May 14 09:44 |
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| DaemonFC | that didn't last long | May 14 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 14 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | Mirc sucks | May 14 09:51 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://memorabilia.hardrock.com/ | May 14 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | ewww | May 14 10:04 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Windows is very portable..... | May 14 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | What's funny is that it's applications tend not to be | May 14 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | which is why although it's been on several architectures in the past, nobody has ever really wanted to use it on anything but x86 | May 14 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, Windows NT wasn't even developed for the x86 PC | May 14 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | it just kind of ended up there | May 14 10:23 |
| schestowitz | I've just done a post on Zune. | May 14 10:23 |
| schestowitz | And another | May 14 10:23 |
| schestowitz | At Least 11 More “Critical” Vulnerabilities (Highest Severity) at Microsoft < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/14/critical-microsoft-vs-macs/ > | May 14 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: There aren't any post-SP2 updates yet | May 14 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | probably because you're not even supposed to have it :) | May 14 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | once they put something on Technet, it's only a matter of time before someone makes it into a torrent | May 14 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | What I have to wonder is if the damned thing has been done for 2 weeks already, why are they still holding it back? | May 14 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | My feelings are that it has improves a lot of stuff Vista was doing wrong before and they don't want to steal Windows 7's thunder with a free update pack | May 14 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 10:28 |
| oiaohm_ | http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/05/intel-ceo-on-pc-market-green-shoots-and-leaves.ars Hmm intel is starting to go down the path of arm. | May 14 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | the interesting thing about NT is that Win32/Win64 are subsystems, not the true API | May 14 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | the native API is only about 10% documented | May 14 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | thats how they can drop in subsystems like POSIX or OS/2 | May 14 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Inel has already begun FUDing ARM | May 14 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Some months ago in fact (*Intel) | May 14 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | heh, Intel was also FUDing X86-64 | May 14 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | til they were forced to shut up and eat it | May 14 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EComStation | May 14 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://toastytech.com/guis/ecsd.html | May 14 10:41 |
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| DaemonFC | Yahoo has officially abndoned Yahoo Messenger for Vista | May 14 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | it was just like normal Yahoo Messenger except it took more RAM, had no voice or video support, and only worked on Vista | May 14 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder why it took them this long to officially declare it a bad idea | May 14 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | What the hell IS Yahoo doing anymore? | May 14 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | I ditched my Yahoo Messenger and just moved all my contacts over to Windows Live cause their service was getting so shitty and adware supported | May 14 10:47 |
| schestowitz | Another 15,000 jobs to go at BT http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/14/bt_cuts_thousands/ | May 14 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo is stuck | May 14 10:51 |
| schestowitz | Analysts Cartel: Gartner is Fan of Microsoft Software Patents, Anti-Linux Lenovo Analyst is a Vista Man http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/14/gartner-lenovo-analysts-bias/ | May 14 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Astroturf | May 14 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart is trying to do it | May 14 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | maybe they shoudl ask Microsoft for some pointers | May 14 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | You ever notice that it's always some guy with a six figure salary from sources unknown that loves Windows while people that actually try to make it do something useful hate the hell out of it? | May 14 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure this is why | May 14 10:59 |
| oiaohm_ | http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7329 What happens to ZFS is going to be interesting when Orcale gets control. | May 14 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | oh you *can* make Windows behave, sometimes, but your blood pressure will be about 100 points higher and you may not be able to replicate the process later | May 14 11:00 |
| oiaohm_ | Most annoying feature of windows is its means to reverse settings without telling anyone. | May 14 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | well, I like the fact that whenever you install more than one program that does some of the same things they immediately go to war with each other | May 14 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | and you get the files they are supposed to manage opening in the wrong app | May 14 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | so then you fix it and they steal them back | May 14 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | Or as I mentioned with IE 8 | May 14 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | it gets trojaned in without the users permission | May 14 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | and tries to hijack not only "default browser" status | May 14 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | but your search engines in Chrome and Firefox | May 14 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Live setup does it too | May 14 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | I call it a drive-by sliming | May 14 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has Live Search set up to where you probably won't even realize they switched you til you look over and see the Windows logo | May 14 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | I'm pretty sure that's deliberate | May 14 11:06 |
| oiaohm_ | Computers have become a uncontroled computer war zone. | May 14 11:07 |
| oiaohm_ | With windows. | May 14 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2130/20405576.png | May 14 11:08 |
| oiaohm_ | Best I like is having to disable UAC to uninstall trial versions of MS products. | May 14 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | you have to look up to the top 1/10th of the page | May 14 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | to see you've been duped | May 14 11:09 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep pure malware. | May 14 11:09 |
| oiaohm_ | I just cannot get away with adding it to the clamav malware list. | May 14 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | Live Search has gotten better, but that's not the point, the point is that I have a preference | May 14 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | and they are pissing on it | May 14 11:11 |
| oiaohm_ | Live Search has failed to get market every other way. | May 14 11:11 |
| oiaohm_ | MS is basically getting desperate. | May 14 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed | May 14 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | IE 8 is looking more like Firefox every version | May 14 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | errr IE that is | May 14 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | and Live Search is getting more like Google | May 14 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | but they never do anything new | May 14 11:14 |
| oiaohm_ | Cannot beat them join them. | May 14 11:14 |
| oiaohm_ | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/news/public_call_for_tender_requested_swiss_group_challenges_microsoft_contracts Open source groups are starting to get more offencive. | May 14 11:17 |
| oiaohm_ | Think about it 3 years ago would anyone really bothered challanging that. | May 14 11:17 |
| schestowitz | 3 New Counts of Antitrust Violation by Microsoft? < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/14/antitrust-violations-by-microsoft/ > | May 14 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | http://service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/run.action | May 14 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | new browser benchmark | May 14 11:20 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Yes, those who love Microsoft are usually rich or bribed | May 14 11:21 |
| schestowitz | The two are related BTW | May 14 11:21 |
| schestowitz | It's the reward system | May 14 11:21 |
| schestowitz | Same with patents | May 14 11:21 |
| schestowitz | Those who keep the system of farce going are bribed for it | May 14 11:21 |
| schestowitz | By lawyers or whoever | May 14 11:21 |
| oiaohm_ | MS is heading down a path where if they cannot make profit they are dead. | May 14 11:22 |
| oiaohm_ | So MS we have not seen the end of MS desperation yet. | May 14 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | I'm benchmarking Chrome vs. IE 8 | May 14 11:23 |
| oiaohm_ | I find it funny that Chrome was never ment to become a major browser. | May 14 11:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/results.action?key=1GIC | May 14 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | IE 8 got raped | May 14 11:26 |
| oiaohm_ | Most likely will get raped against firefox as well. | May 14 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | testing Firefox 3.5 beta 4 now | May 14 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | http://service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/results.action?key=1GIC | May 14 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | heh | May 14 11:34 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep about what I expected. | May 14 11:38 |
| oiaohm_ | If you click on details you will notice IE is slower at everything. | May 14 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | and has no support for canvas | May 14 11:44 |
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| schestowitz | Killing Spurious Patents Before They Kill Us < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/14/killing-software-patents/ > | May 14 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | heh, there's still people using IE 4 | May 14 12:15 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 14 12:15 |
| schestowitz | Very few | May 14 12:15 |
| schestowitz | They should be exiled | May 14 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | some people still prefer Netscape 7 I guess | May 14 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | 0.75% use Netscape 6 | May 14 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | dear god why? | May 14 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 14 12:18 |
| schestowitz | Old PCs | May 14 12:19 |
| schestowitz | It works for them | May 14 12:19 |
| schestowitz | Until they get owned | May 14 12:19 |
| oiaohm_ | Sometimes wraped. | May 14 12:20 |
| oiaohm_ | I have netscape 6 useragent on modernday firefox to get into some goverment sites. | May 14 12:20 |
| schestowitz | They get owned when they complain to the parent/child that "the computer is so slow and always busy doing something (like spewing spam)" | May 14 12:20 |
| oiaohm_ | I guess there would be others who forget to turn it off as well. | May 14 12:20 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder about that freeware antivirus that Microsoft is going to release | May 14 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | I've been hoping they'd do something like this for a while | May 14 12:21 |
| oiaohm_ | Its not the first anti-virus MS has released. Hopefully its bettr than the first one. | May 14 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | MSAV/MWAV? | May 14 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 12:23 |
| oiaohm_ | I remember the dos one that depended on crc32 checksums. | May 14 12:23 |
| oiaohm_ | Was not long before viruses evolved to beat it. | May 14 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | oh yeah, then it would flag legitimate changes as possible virus | May 14 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | May 14 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | I remember that | May 14 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | piece of shit | May 14 12:24 |
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| oiaohm_ | I guess MS has underestemated the cost in running Anti-virus software too. | May 14 12:25 |
| oiaohm_ | There are very good reasons why there are not that many free anti-virus software out there. | May 14 12:26 |
| schestowitz | More on why Net Applications figures are basically lies: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25014/1148/ | May 14 12:26 |
| schestowitz | Sony makes first loss in 14 years < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/business/8049323.stm > | May 14 12:27 |
| oiaohm_ | 549842 signatures in clamav and it was 500000 at start of year. So at this rate about another 2.5 years to 1 million signatures. | May 14 12:28 |
| schestowitz | Goblin hits the wrong target.. http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/are-you-uncomfortable-in-the-start/#comments a Linux advocate. Careful there. | May 14 12:32 |
| schestowitz | He took a Linux advocate and made him seem like a shill | May 14 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code | May 14 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, signatures only work to a certain point | May 14 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | then you get to the point where you have to shed some, but then you may open yourself up to older viruses that can now spread again | May 14 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | at some point it will take a very different kind of antivirus | May 14 12:36 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Purpose_of_the_AARD_code http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=AARD | May 14 12:36 |
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| oiaohm_ | All anti-virus makers know its a time game. | May 14 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | but yeah, I use Avast Professional at the moment | May 14 12:39 |
| oiaohm_ | At some point you will reach the point were there are more signatures than you can scan for. | May 14 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | What do you think about that Panda Cloud Antivirus? | May 14 12:39 |
| oiaohm_ | Correct responce is harden basic OS secuirty. | May 14 12:40 |
| oiaohm_ | To reduce the area of attack viruses have. | May 14 12:40 |
| oiaohm_ | Cloud based anti-virus does not cure the problem. | May 14 12:40 |
| schestowitz | Truly appalling for Australia and Germany: Germany shuts down Wikileaks http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137337/germany-shuts-wikileaks | May 14 12:43 |
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| schestowitz | BN also leaks stuff. Can it be blacklisted too for it? | May 14 12:44 |
| schestowitz | FOSS vs MAFIAA: Why open source needs the RIAA to lose < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137335/why-source-riaa-lose > | May 14 12:47 |
| oiaohm_ | http://lwn.net/Articles/331808/ Interesting new disk feature under way. | May 14 12:48 |
| schestowitz | Google bandwidth runs out < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137336/google-bandwidth-runs > | May 14 12:49 |
| schestowitz | search engines consume about 2gb/day in one of my sites. | May 14 12:50 |
| oiaohm_ | Could be worse. | May 14 12:53 |
| schestowitz | Some Groklaw Web Buttons < http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090513210500756 > | May 14 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Last week I had this crazy idea of making some funny graphics and labeling an image BN as a sort of site wallpaper. | May 14 12:56 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: how worse? | May 14 12:57 |
| schestowitz | Like a quarter of the traffic is bots. Same in other sites I have | May 14 12:57 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: why did oracle buy Xen-esque people/ | May 14 12:58 |
| schestowitz | Xen=Citrixsoft | May 14 12:58 |
| schestowitz | Oracle has its own vm and kvm | May 14 12:59 |
| oiaohm_ | Oracle has there own version of Xen. | May 14 12:59 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the guys sold themselves cheaply for Oracle to pick? | May 14 12:59 |
| schestowitz | Virtual Iron that is. | May 14 12:59 |
| oiaohm_ | Virtual Iron is one of the best interfaces for Xen. | May 14 12:59 |
| oiaohm_ | Orcale can basically take it now to there own hypervisor. | May 14 12:59 |
| schestowitz | Linux Certification Not Required http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry4338.html | May 14 13:00 |
| schestowitz | Are you certified? I'm not. | May 14 13:00 |
| oiaohm_ | Call it normall Orcale operation. Taken in your competitors best features. | May 14 13:00 |
| oiaohm_ | I am not Linux certified. For most of the work I do its not important. | May 14 13:01 |
| oiaohm_ | Cisco certification is more important. | May 14 13:02 |
| oiaohm_ | Without it you cannot operate particular devices. | May 14 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | "Part of the Linux netbook problem may be that netbooks are being returned at a higher rate in general compared to notebooks. According to a CNET blog, an Intel executive has stated that some of its computer resellers selling Intel Atom-based netbooks have seen 30 percent return rates." | May 14 13:11 |
| schestowitz | It'\s being suggested that people are the cause for a lower sales rate of sub-notebooks | May 14 13:11 |
| schestowitz | Maybe ARM will change this game | May 14 13:11 |
| schestowitz | Price difference then becomes more significnet. | May 14 13:12 |
| schestowitz | *cant | May 14 13:12 |
| oiaohm_ | LOL | May 14 13:12 |
| oiaohm_ | Try buying Linux sub-notbooks with a harddrive. | May 14 13:12 |
| schestowitz | why? | May 14 13:12 |
| oiaohm_ | 8 gb SD or 160 gb harddrive. | May 14 13:13 |
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| schestowitz | Egypt Bans Porn Websites: Good Luck With That < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090513/0139014861.shtml ? | May 14 13:13 |
| oiaohm_ | Linux netbooks basically all have the solid state. | May 14 13:13 |
| oiaohm_ | The more expensive data storage option. | May 14 13:13 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: well, whatever. :-) I guess no device sells well anymore | May 14 13:13 |
| oiaohm_ | I know a lot of windows sub notes aquired and turned into Linux. | May 14 13:14 |
| oiaohm_ | The problem here is users cannot order subnotes OS less. | May 14 13:14 |
| schestowitz | more sites should add free pictures. I get mine from http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml | May 14 13:14 |
| schestowitz | OS-less? | May 14 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Why? | May 14 13:15 |
| schestowitz | It fits the h/w | May 14 13:15 |
| schestowitz | laptops without OS are rare | May 14 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Lots of proprietary h/w | May 14 13:15 |
| schestowitz | I wait for antitrust action | May 14 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw has called readers to do so | May 14 13:15 |
| schestowitz | After Intel esp. | May 14 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Because Microsoft commits the same crimes against Linux. Rebates to fight Linux like it did against AMD | May 14 13:15 |
| oiaohm_ | Problem here is windows subnotes and Linux subnotes are sold on different combinations of hardware. | May 14 13:16 |
| oiaohm_ | If buyer looks for the one with the biggest storage they will by windows. | May 14 13:17 |
| schestowitz | That's part of the plan perhaps | May 14 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft can offer negative pricing | May 14 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Pay to ensure it gets its platform in place | May 14 13:17 |
| schestowitz | it's monopoly abuse, i.e. violation of law for a monopoly | May 14 13:17 |
| oiaohm_ | Microsoft cannot do negative pricing forever. | May 14 13:18 |
| oiaohm_ | So they are trying to make out no one wants Linux so they can get out of negative pricing. | May 14 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but it doesn't make it acceptable | May 14 13:19 |
| schestowitz | They need to be embargoed, as is Intel | May 14 13:19 |
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| oiaohm_ | The stupid thing with a 160 gb harddrive there is more than enough space to ship the machine dual OS. | May 14 13:21 |
| oiaohm_ | And allow user to kill off the OS they don't want. | May 14 13:21 |
| schestowitz | New site: http://nakedcomputers.org/ | May 14 13:22 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: exactly, some people prosed this | May 14 13:24 |
| schestowitz | Also BeOS | May 14 13:24 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft committed crimes against this and got sued | May 14 13:24 |
| schestowitz | It knew that with choice people would no longer associate computers with just Windows, as though it was hardwired to the machine | May 14 13:24 |
| oiaohm_ | Big thing that pisses me off is XP home cannot connect to a business network. | May 14 13:25 |
| oiaohm_ | A ubuntu can. | May 14 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | Blind interpreter detained at Philly airport says he has nightmares from arrest < http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20090512_Blind_interpreter_detained_at_Philly_airport_says_he_has_nightmares_from_arrest.html > | May 14 13:31 |
| oiaohm_ | I will be reallly happy when SCO is dead. It will free up the legal arms of Open Source to go after other companies. | May 14 13:32 |
| schestowitz | From Cell to Sell: Police Recruit Activists as Spies < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8362 > RMS: " Police in Canada and Scotland are offering large bribes to activists to spy on environmentalist groups. If activists could offer police money to tell about their plans to sabotage protests and attack protestors, perhaps democracy would be able to protect itself from the police. " | May 14 13:33 |
| schestowitz | Pentagon Rejects Its Own Pundit Program Whitewash < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8367 > This is insanely criminal. | May 14 13:34 |
| schestowitz | RMS on the decision in France: "The same law will also require people to install non-free software in order to make their networks "secure"." | May 14 13:35 |
| oiaohm_ | No there is more fun. | May 14 13:35 |
| oiaohm_ | Take the bribe and give the police fake information. | May 14 13:35 |
| schestowitz | They'll ask for a refund :-D | May 14 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Wait a second, think about it.... | May 14 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Basically it's tax payers who are funding these bribes. | May 14 13:39 |
| schestowitz | People like YOU | May 14 13:39 |
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| oiaohm_ | Our police here stopped doing it. | May 14 13:40 |
| oiaohm_ | When they found the bribes were being used to fund the protests. | May 14 13:40 |
| schestowitz | "In a majority of the tests, Ubuntu came out ahead of Nexenta CP2, which is based upon largely the same packages but incorporates some of OpenSolaris at its core. In some of the tests where Ubuntu took the first place position, the lead over Nexenta was very evident and huge." | May 14 13:41 |
| oiaohm_ | Some of the spys got smart and worked out they could get more goverment money by making more protests happen. | May 14 13:41 |
| schestowitz | So Linux beat Solaris, sorta | May 14 13:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_opensolaris_kernel&num=9 | May 14 13:41 |
| oiaohm_ | Its not a perfect win. | May 14 13:41 |
| oiaohm_ | Hopefully soon a perfect win. | May 14 13:41 |
| trmanco | http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.room404.net%2F%3Fp%3D18369&sl=auto&tl=en "3. לשכתי פנתה אל יחידת המחשב של הכנסת בבקשה להתקין את דפדפן האינטרנט Mozilla Firefox על מחשבי הלשכה. Locular turned to the computer unit of the request to install the Mozilla Firefox web browser on the computers in the Chamber." | May 14 13:54 |
| trmanco | oops | May 14 13:54 |
| trmanco | google translate is a little weird | May 14 13:54 |
| schestowitz | DSpace and Fedora Commons Merge to Form DuraSpace < http://digital-scholarship.org/digitalkoans/2009/05/13/dspace-and-fedora-commons-merge-to-form-duraspace/ > | May 14 13:59 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: are they getting GNU/Linux? | May 14 14:01 |
| trmanco | they might | May 14 14:01 |
| schestowitz | Political AstroTurf in the UK: http://thedextrousweb.com/2009/05/andrew-stott-the-new-director-of-digital-engagement/ Funded by the parliament | May 14 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Open database Alliance founded < http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/05/open-database-alliance-founded.html > | May 14 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Liberated: SyncML Library goes open source http://www.h-online.com/open/SyncML-Library-goes-open-source--/news/113281 | May 14 14:05 |
| oiaohm_ | wonder what BSD responce to that merge is going to be. | May 14 14:05 |
| oiaohm_ | Dspace holds of the source code BSD's use. | May 14 14:06 |
| schestowitz | Software Problems with a Breath Alcohol Detector < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/05/software_proble.html > | May 14 14:06 |
| schestowitz | BSD has a new gallery.. netbsd | May 14 14:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/software/soa/Installing-NetBSD-5-0-Screenshots/0,139023769,339296397,00.htm | May 14 14:07 |
| schestowitz | Very old news, but new to some: General: We Just Might Nuke Those Cyber Attackers < http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/05/general-we-just-might-nuke-those-cyber-attackers/ > | May 14 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | Krstic raved about moving to a Mac some months ago (big riot) and guess what? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/14/ex_olpc_security_boss_goes_to_apple/ | May 14 14:10 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: Telstra bins UK support staff < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/14/telstra_cuts/ > | May 14 14:11 |
| schestowitz | "Support team will phone it in from Bangalore" | May 14 14:11 |
| oiaohm_ | Nice you how have the same support team as Australia. | May 14 14:12 |
| oiaohm_ | I can tell you know they sux. | May 14 14:12 |
| schestowitz | They have partnership with the Remonders | May 14 14:13 |
| oiaohm_ | Telstra uses a lot of cisco systems. | May 14 14:15 |
| schestowitz | Hackers 'destroy' flight sim site < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8049780.stm > Chalk up another one for ... is this it? http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=avsim.com | May 14 14:15 |
| schestowitz | It won't respond | May 14 14:15 |
| tomsdale | I've been reading about the recent Intel fine. If I understand correctly they have been punished for making exclisivity deals with OEMs. You sell xx% of your products with Intel and we'll reward you, not: you buy xxxxx units and you get a bulk discount. | May 14 14:16 |
| oiaohm_ | tomsdale: it was over due. | May 14 14:17 |
| tomsdale | isn't the same happening with M$ OS on OEM computers. When I asked for a lenovo T400 without OS they told me they had a deal with Microsoft which doesn't allow them to sell it without windows on it. | May 14 14:17 |
| oiaohm_ | IBM was pushed out the X86 chip producing market by that stunt. | May 14 14:17 |
| oiaohm_ | tomsdale: correct. | May 14 14:18 |
| tomsdale | In return the representative offered me a 100$ "return prevention discount" - I love that word. | May 14 14:18 |
| oiaohm_ | Take 100$ + get a refund on the Windows licence what is allowed by the EULA that no one reads. | May 14 14:19 |
| schestowitz | tomsdale: it's the same with MS | May 14 14:19 |
| schestowitz | Therefore we push for similar action | May 14 14:19 |
| schestowitz | People in Groklaw might be among those puhsing now | May 14 14:20 |
| tomsdale | but back to intel - AMD filed in 2000 - so for the whole thing to get through it takes a) someone big who files a complaint b) almost a decade to follow through with it. | May 14 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Also expect civil lawsuits against Intek | May 14 14:20 |
| schestowitz | They will use the EC ruling as precedence | May 14 14:20 |
| schestowitz | tomsdale: and no punishment, either | May 14 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Intel was hardly punished | May 14 14:21 |
| schestowitz | it proved that crime pays off | May 14 14:21 |
| schestowitz | An embargo would be a bloder step | May 14 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Or instructing shops to pay tax if they stock Intel | May 14 14:21 |
| schestowitz | (disclosure: my brohter in law works for Intel) | May 14 14:22 |
| tomsdale | As far as I know there is also a law for that - was there not someone of the green party who asked for microsoft products to be removed for the | May 14 14:22 |
| tomsdale | sry - because they were convicted. What happened to that request . | May 14 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 14 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | May 14 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Wishful thinking | May 14 14:23 |
| schestowitz | One party (german MEP) versus a wall of vicious cronies and lobbysists | May 14 14:23 |
| schestowitz | AMD shrank so muc | May 14 14:23 |
| schestowitz | *much | May 14 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Over the years anyway | May 14 14:23 |
| schestowitz | There is hardly much party left to even celebrate the victory | May 14 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Richard left | May 14 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Ruiz left | May 14 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Basically, this is where I see this becoming too political for too many people's taste | May 14 14:24 |
| schestowitz | The US government offer Intel protection | May 14 14:24 |
| schestowitz | To EU it's about enforcing what the cronie regime won't | May 14 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Intel is US-based | May 14 14:24 |
| schestowitz | It only does the stunts overseas to instill confidence | May 14 14:24 |
| schestowitz | As in, did you heard about yesterday's stunt? | May 14 14:24 |
| schestowitz | They opened a facility in Germany ON THE VERY same day as the ruling | May 14 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Surprise surprise. Not a concidence. | May 14 14:25 |
| tomsdale | I'm not very familiar with the details. But it appears the EU is the only place that at least tries to thrive for some fair competitevness and consumer protection in the technolgy sector | May 14 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Just something for journos to put in ink alongside the crimes Intel was convicted for | May 14 14:25 |
| schestowitz | The rebuttal from PaulO was funny too | May 14 14:25 |
| schestowitz | He is among those who destroyed evidence | May 14 14:25 |
| schestowitz | tomsdale: yes, EU gets ridiculed for it | May 14 14:26 |
| schestowitz | See the link to the Kroes video | May 14 14:26 |
| schestowitz | YouTube | May 14 14:26 |
| schestowitz | I potsed it last night | May 14 14:26 |
| schestowitz | See the Intel shills in there | May 14 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe some kind of neo-Republicans | May 14 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Who know | May 14 14:26 |
| schestowitz | One guy is appalled by how much shilling they already do to mitigate and daemonise | May 14 14:26 |
| schestowitz | the press likewise | May 14 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Daemonising here | May 14 14:26 |
| schestowitz | And there's always this vatch of ACT/COMPTIA/whoever attacking her agency | May 14 14:27 |
| schestowitz | So it's a political thing | May 14 14:27 |
| schestowitz | It comes from Mirosoft political groups | May 14 14:27 |
| schestowitz | C | May 14 14:27 |
| schestowitz | Brussels/Washington-based | May 14 14:27 |
| tomsdale | I'm just waiting for someone to shed some light into the deals between M$ and OEMs to learn more about why it is so difficult to sell the HW without an OS or a preinstalled free Linux distribution | May 14 14:28 |
| schestowitz | See what we posted | May 14 14:28 |
| schestowitz | In BN that is | May 14 14:28 |
| schestowitz | We've got plenty | May 14 14:28 |
| schestowitz | Antitrust | May 14 14:28 |
| schestowitz | Are you intending to file a complaint? | May 14 14:28 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Hardware/OEM | May 14 14:29 |
| tomsdale | hehe - I'm a European citizen so maybe I could :-) But I haven't bought a computer in the EU in years. always in the US. | May 14 14:29 |
| schestowitz | I need to organise the Wiki | May 14 14:30 |
| schestowitz | Maybe next month | May 14 14:30 |
| schestowitz | There are many exhibits in Comes and BN which need organising as evidence. Big project that would be... | May 14 14:31 |
| tomsdale | The first link is already interesting ... http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Microsoft_Internal_OEM_Price_Guideline | May 14 14:31 |
| tomsdale | however windows 3.11 has been some years. | May 14 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 14 14:33 |
| schestowitz | I have newer ones | May 14 14:33 |
| schestowitz | here's a goodie: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/01/leaked-oem-vista-ad-incentives/ | May 14 14:34 |
| tomsdale | you know the document probably better - but from what I see it only talks about volume discounts. As long as this is not in relation to the total production of the OEM I guess it'S ok. | May 14 14:35 |
| tomsdale | the first one that is. | May 14 14:35 |
| schestowitz | I haven't looked properly yet | May 14 14:44 |
| schestowitz | These are the docs I intend to do one-per-day of later this year | May 14 14:45 |
| schestowitz | I also need to extract full text from these | May 14 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Can Katherine Noyes not tell the difference between package and packet? http://www.technewsworld.com/story/67064.html | May 14 14:47 |
| oiaohm_ | MS trys to create deals with schools and oems were you have to pay for every machine no matter what is installed on it. | May 14 14:47 |
| schestowitz | EVO console... http://voip-phone-systems.tmcnet.com/news/2009/05/14/4179742.htm .. reminds me of OpenMoko and getting marketing will be hard for them. | May 14 14:48 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: yes, it was ruled illegalm in Norway | May 14 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Linspo challenged it | May 14 14:48 |
| schestowitz | It's still in tact in the UK | May 14 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Campus-wide licences. Disgusting. | May 14 14:48 |
| schestowitz | It renders Windows and Office 'free' but for a very high (and secret) tax | May 14 14:49 |
| tomsdale | leaked-oem-vista goes into the direction of what I'm looking for. But generally it's a promotion to promote, it is not as bold as lets say a cash payback for kicking out another competitor. | May 14 14:49 |
| schestowitz | tomsdale: look into ASUS | May 14 14:49 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/24/microsoft-pays-asus-claim/ | May 14 14:49 |
| schestowitz | And: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/30/anti-linux-netbook-kickbacks/ | May 14 14:50 |
| oiaohm_ | Not exactly tomsdale | May 14 14:50 |
| oiaohm_ | The method is quite sneaky. MS pays you for putting there trail versions on. | May 14 14:51 |
| oiaohm_ | What can be more than the total cost of the OS. | May 14 14:51 |
| tomsdale | the Asus story is a good example. If there was some hard proof of a deal going on here that would be boldly wrong. | May 14 14:51 |
| oiaohm_ | There is a reason why dells and other OEMs come filled with crap. | May 14 14:51 |
| oiaohm_ | It offsets the OS cost. | May 14 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Empty Google AdSense Ads is Linux Bug < http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/020020.html > It's a feature, not a bug. | May 14 14:52 |
| tomsdale | oiaohm_: I think that goes for other software as well.l | May 14 14:52 |
| oiaohm_ | I call it consumer abuse. | May 14 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Monopoly abuse too | May 14 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you can get away with it as a small comp-any | May 14 14:53 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes you have to pay more with Dell to get a crap less PC. | May 14 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Not a convicted monopolist | May 14 14:53 |
| tomsdale | exactly. Without my consent - yes, but that seems like another story which obviously puts the advantage for M$ because there is no consumer market for Linux paid for software. | May 14 14:53 |
| oiaohm_ | There is a Linux taking advantage of it. | May 14 14:54 |
| oiaohm_ | Called splashtop. | May 14 14:54 |
| oiaohm_ | They sell OS to motherboard markers for 1 cent and recover costs from skype and the like. | May 14 14:54 |
| tomsdale | M$ has the advantage that all the trial programs do run on their platform so the other software vendors are generally paying M$ for the platform | May 14 14:54 |
| oiaohm_ | Linux distributions could be filled with crap problem is most Linux distributions make it simple to remove. | May 14 14:55 |
| oiaohm_ | Its part quality of OS tomsdale | May 14 14:55 |
| tomsdale | yeah - I saw that oiaohm_. I think for consumers it woudl be interesting to see the paid by the OEM price of windows marked on the sales tag. | May 14 14:56 |
| oiaohm_ | Really offsets and real cost of OS should be given to the consumers. | May 14 14:57 |
| schestowitz | tomsdale: if you plan to file a complaint, ask for more substance. I can give you more evidence. | May 14 14:57 |
| schestowitz | It just takes persistence and union | May 14 14:57 |
| schestowitz | In Frnace there are groups pushing for this | May 14 14:57 |
| tomsdale | Like a car - the base price is xxx and the radio costs xxx on top of that - to make it transparent to the consumer. | May 14 14:57 |
| schestowitz | The german MP who wanted to embargo MS also did this when Microsoft committed lots of OOXML-related crimes all across Europe | May 14 14:57 |
| tomsdale | schestowitz: I would participate in something like this but IMO it has to be a group efford. I live now in Canada where I see little to no hope of getting people interested. | May 14 14:58 |
| tomsdale | at least here where I live. | May 14 14:58 |
| oiaohm_ | MS is one of the biggest criminals in the computer world. | May 14 14:59 |
| schestowitz | People in Quebec sued Microsoft | May 14 14:59 |
| schestowitz | August 2008 | May 14 14:59 |
| tomsdale | no doubt about that. | May 14 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Or sorry... the govt. | May 14 14:59 |
| schestowitz | They sued them for collusion | May 14 14:59 |
| tomsdale | Yes - I think I followed that, they didn't include OS solutions in the bidding for a governmental project. | May 14 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 14 15:00 |
| schestowitz | Other countries follow suit | May 14 15:01 |
| schestowitz | Now Switzerland | May 14 15:01 |
| schestowitz | FSFE seems to be taken the lead | May 14 15:01 |
| oiaohm_ | The sleeping dragon at the moment is orcale. | May 14 15:01 |
| schestowitz | So it's a group effort | May 14 15:01 |
| schestowitz | here in the UK we had a LUG sue the BSI for OOXML-related corruption, as well. | May 14 15:01 |
| oiaohm_ | They are gaining more and more companies and strenth. | May 14 15:01 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes ignorance is indeed bliss | May 14 15:01 |
| schestowitz | Because the corruption out they might as well be assumed, then mapped | May 14 15:01 |
| oiaohm_ | If Orcale stoped aquiring companies they would be able to by MS out in 5 years. | May 14 15:02 |
| schestowitz | The Internet brings together many pieces and prevents this need to make phonecalls and try to place work in journals/papers that vanish after 1 day | May 14 15:02 |
| oiaohm_ | In the size of companies out there MS is quite small. | May 14 15:02 |
| tomsdale | IMO it will take effort and structure to get all the smaller complanies under one hood. Coming back to the recent intel fine - it took their biggest competitor 9 years for a ruling and he had the means to complain at the right place. | May 14 15:03 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: and getting smaller | May 14 15:04 |
| schestowitz | Not shrinking fast enough though | May 14 15:04 |
| schestowitz | It now takes DEBT | May 14 15:04 |
| oiaohm_ | http://www.oracle.com/corporate/acquisition.html Oracle has it down to a fine art tomsdale. | May 14 15:05 |
| schestowitz | There are the silly rumours about MS and SAp | May 14 15:05 |
| schestowitz | They negotiated before, BUT... | May 14 15:05 |
| schestowitz | SAP uses SUSE (Linux) | May 14 15:05 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAP_AG | May 14 15:05 |
| schestowitz | It has almost as MANY EMPLOYEES AS MICROSOFT | May 14 15:05 |
| schestowitz | So the idea is bizarre to say the least | May 14 15:06 |
| oiaohm_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Corporation That has a time line of Oracle company aquirements. | May 14 15:06 |
| oiaohm_ | Scarry thing is that is accelerating. | May 14 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Why did MS sell debt? | May 14 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Any guesses? | May 14 15:06 |
| oiaohm_ | If Windows 7 flops they will need as much breathing space as they can make. | May 14 15:07 |
| oiaohm_ | Look at the costs of the Vista flop. | May 14 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Oracle seems to be scooping up companies on the cheap | May 14 15:08 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: no "If" | May 14 15:08 |
| schestowitz | It already shows | May 14 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Businesses won't touch the thing | May 14 15:08 |
| oiaohm_ | Hmm Sap would fit into Oracle aquirement model perfectly. | May 14 15:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/153624/windows_7_preview.html?tk=rss_news http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/the-windows-7-beta-testing-disaster/ | May 14 15:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=216500331&subSection=News | May 14 15:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001675.html | May 14 15:09 |
| schestowitz | "Windows 7: 83% Of Businesses Won't Deploy Next Year" | May 14 15:09 |
| schestowitz | The other 17% are still misled by hype | May 14 15:09 |
| schestowitz | So maybe it's over 90% to ignore Vista7 | May 14 15:09 |
| schestowitz | SAP+MS makes almost no sense | May 14 15:10 |
| oiaohm_ | Remember MS managed to get XP markering right that people who knew nothign about computers and did not even have a computer went out and bought it. | May 14 15:10 |
| schestowitz | No bundling chances, either. | May 14 15:10 |
| schestowitz | They did speak about it before | May 14 15:10 |
| schestowitz | In Forbes it shoed up | May 14 15:10 |
| oiaohm_ | It will come down to suckers. | May 14 15:10 |
| oiaohm_ | If Windows 7 flies or flops. | May 14 15:10 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07/07/microsoft-subsidiary-novell/ | May 14 15:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.newsweek.com/id/54423 | May 14 15:11 |
| schestowitz | THEIL: How close were you to getting bought by Microsoft? | May 14 15:12 |
| schestowitz | [SAP's] KAGERMANN: Microsoft approached us about a possible merger late last year [but] after a series of talks called it off because it would have been too complex. There was never a deal on the table. | May 14 15:12 |
| tomsdale | I installed Vista 7 RC yesteday. From the install on my Dell e6400 it went better than the vista install I tried before and at least recognized the GFx this time. | May 14 15:12 |
| oiaohm_ | People have not woken up RC could be the best trap so far invented. | May 14 15:13 |
| tomsdale | I'd say it's and incremental update like ubuntu 8.04 to 9.04. With the difference they charge for it !! | May 14 15:13 |
| oiaohm_ | Linux is seting up quite a large update. | May 14 15:13 |
| tomsdale | oiaohm_: yes - I totally gree. | May 14 15:13 |
| oiaohm_ | Stable video support is going to upset a lot of nit pickers with Linux. | May 14 15:14 |
| tomsdale | it fosters the perception of people that windows in fact is free, at least for the time being. | May 14 15:14 |
| oiaohm_ | That is the other problem. | May 14 15:14 |
| oiaohm_ | MS is getting users use to paying nothing for a OS. | May 14 15:14 |
| oiaohm_ | This does cause lot more future problems. | May 14 15:15 |
| oiaohm_ | Also aquiring beta through bittorrent. | May 14 15:15 |
| tomsdale | but a Trial period of 1 year - I wonder whether this is actually legal. | May 14 15:15 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/14/microsoft-wanted-to-buy-sap/ | May 14 15:15 |
| oiaohm_ | It is legal tomsdale | May 14 15:16 |
| schestowitz | We have some trolls in Bn who just mass-rank stuff 1/5 or 1/10 | May 14 15:16 |
| oiaohm_ | Most instane trial I know of that was legal was 2 years. | May 14 15:16 |
| tomsdale | oiaohm_: which product was this - was it as fundamental as an OS. | May 14 15:16 |
| oiaohm_ | It was a accountancy package with closed source storage format. | May 14 15:17 |
| oiaohm_ | Worst than a OS. | May 14 15:17 |
| oiaohm_ | Many times worse. | May 14 15:17 |
| oiaohm_ | schestowitz as if most of your users pay attion to the stars. | May 14 15:19 |
| tomsdale | yes - But I see a difference in here. because RC1 is released to the broader public. Accountancy is a market segment, there is a better term I think. | May 14 15:19 |
| oiaohm_ | RC1 stops you can still access parition with Linux. | May 14 15:19 |
| oiaohm_ | Accountacy package stoped no access to data without paying for the program or conversion tools. | May 14 15:20 |
| oiaohm_ | Scale of evil way worse tomsdale | May 14 15:20 |
| oiaohm_ | Company ended up out of business and they could not work out why. | May 14 15:20 |
| tomsdale | I see it different. It's like you build a house and get the door on trial. After a year it doesn't open but you can still access your house through the window. | May 14 15:21 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep and get your stuff out. | May 14 15:21 |
| oiaohm_ | Where the other is god darn fort knox. | May 14 15:21 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people still miss the VERY important point that Microsoft is essentially funding Net Applications as one of its largest customers. | May 14 15:22 |
| oiaohm_ | Awareness to vendor lockin is important. | May 14 15:22 |
| oiaohm_ | Even open source projects can cause equal to vendor lockin at times with hard to migrate data. | May 14 15:23 |
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| tomsdale | oiaohm_: the difference I see is that a door is an integral part of a house - as is an Operating system to a computer. If you have a timelock on that and set it fare into the future you lure the consumer into thinking it's all free until he gets the wakeup call and can't access his home anymore. | May 14 15:25 |
| tomsdale | not all free, but 1 year is a period long enough to actually forget that I only wanted to test it when I started with it. | May 14 15:26 |
| schestowitz | he seems to have just vanished | May 14 15:30 |
| tomsdale | in discussions about vendor locking I think it's always important to differenciate between a product which everyone has to have to be able to participate in society and a product that fulfills the needs of a seperated market place. | May 14 15:31 |
| tomsdale | yes - shame, I enyojed the discussion. | May 14 15:32 |
| tomsdale | It's like the OOXML saga. Everyone has to access text documents which in essence is another form of communication between people. Thus a standart has to be accessible by everyone. | May 14 15:33 |
| schestowitz | Yes, well.. OOXML is about the ;right' to maintain monopoly | May 14 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft would talk about the vast number of .DOC files out there | May 14 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Thus it has the 'right' to lead the wa | May 14 15:34 |
| schestowitz | *way | May 14 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Linux.com Still Unhelpful for New Users < http://www.workswithu.com/2009/05/14/linuxcom-still-unhelpful-for-new-users/ > Probably true, but it's not a primer. | May 14 15:35 |
| tomsdale | A standart for a professional seperate industry is different to that. I don't think consumer rights can be applied to that since it serves a niche community of professionals. | May 14 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Yes, something like that | May 14 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Same with liability | May 14 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | This one's new to me: Kuki 3.0 Pre Release 1.7 for the AA1 quick review < http://linuxd.wordpress.com/2009/05/13/kuki-3-0-pre-release-1-7-for-the-aa1-quick-review/ > | May 14 15:38 |
| tomsdale | never heard of it eithe .... I currently promote ubuntu to new users not because it's nescessarily the best but the hype is there and ubuntu seems to have reached a tipping point. | May 14 15:40 |
| tomsdale | Telling people who are new to linux that they actually have so much of a choice from experience can be a bit overwhelming. | May 14 15:41 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 14 15:44 |
| schestowitz | The concepts too | May 14 15:44 |
| schestowitz | The philosophical ones | May 14 15:44 |
| schestowitz | MySQL Forks < http://practical-tech.com/development/mysql-forks/ > why does sjvn announce it as though it's news? | May 14 15:46 |
| tomsdale | funny that it touches on philosophy here - talking about positive consumer rights, but I guess that's what it is. | May 14 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Just found: Extracating ourselves from the -UbuntuOne-Ubunet mess < http://www.advogato.org/person/Burgundavia/diary/191.html > | May 14 15:49 |
| schestowitz | tomsdale: Eruaran uses that point | May 14 15:49 |
| schestowitz | About consumer rights | May 14 15:49 |
| schestowitz | People are trained not to think about such things | May 14 15:49 |
| schestowitz | They are trained to be selfish and isolated | May 14 15:49 |
| tomsdale | who is Eruaran? | May 14 15:49 |
| schestowitz | It's well known | May 14 15:50 |
| schestowitz | tomsdale: from IRC | May 14 15:50 |
| tomsdale | ok - Did you see the BBC triology what happend to our freedoms? | May 14 15:50 |
| *Eruaran lurks | May 14 15:51 | |
| Eruaran | Did another Ubuntu install today | May 14 15:52 |
| tomsdale | It examines the devleopment of freedom after WW2 and exposes the fact that our current system is actually build on the assumption that people will act selfish and only with their own best interest in mind. | May 14 15:52 |
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| Eruaran | A customer who has a dual boot Win/Ubuntu called and said her mum wants Ubuntu as well. | May 14 15:52 |
| schestowitz | tomsdale: yes | May 14 15:53 |
| schestowitz | I think I have the documentary | May 14 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Hold on | May 14 15:53 |
| schestowitz | it's called Century of the Self: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=65AFFE1C2FA91850&search_query=bbc+bernays | May 14 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | There you have the index of all the parts, which I watched earlier this year | May 14 15:53 |
| schestowitz | But the same theory is repeated by many more whom I watch | May 14 15:54 |
| Eruaran | howsit going roy | May 14 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Going all right | May 14 15:54 |
| schestowitz | I have a meeting later today | May 14 15:54 |
| schestowitz | So I'll do some Linux posts now | May 14 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Mostly anti-FUD psosts | May 14 15:54 |
| tomsdale | schestowitz: I don't know bernays but sounds interesting. I meant this one from 2007 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trap_(television_documentary_series) | May 14 15:54 |
| Eruaran | a lot of FUD around atm | May 14 15:54 |
| Eruaran | Vista7 has coincided with a flurry of FUD | May 14 15:55 |
| Eruaran | The RC I mean | May 14 15:55 |
| schestowitz | new: http://nakedcomputers.org/ | May 14 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Yes, LOADS of FUD | May 14 15:55 |
| schestowitz | I can't keep up | May 14 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes I just put it in daily links | May 14 15:55 |
| schestowitz | tomsdale: Bernays is a dinosaur | May 14 15:56 |
| schestowitz | The world may have been a better place had he passed away at 30, not 103 | May 14 15:56 |
| tomsdale | hehe, I think I'll watch it when I have time. The Trap is interesting though as well, I recommend it. | May 14 15:56 |
| tomsdale | Actually it made me think about FOSS and society in return. If you think about the incetives of people to participate in FOSS development you can't explain it 100% with the fact that people are only following their personal best interest. | May 14 16:01 |
| tomsdale | It requires also that people voluntarily donate back to the community since otherwise the equation doesn't add up. That's for the hardcore FOSS projects. | May 14 16:02 |
| schestowitz | I'll need to find it | May 14 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Sounds interesting | May 14 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Someone gave me a link to another thing I must explore first | May 14 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAluyt5_kic | May 14 16:15 |
| trmanco | uh oh | May 14 16:22 |
| trmanco | I think Gmail is having problems again | May 14 16:22 |
| trmanco | na, working here | May 14 16:23 |
| trmanco | I saw some tweets about it, looks like a false alarm or something | May 14 16:23 |
| trmanco | I've also seen tweets saying google search was slow | May 14 16:25 |
| trmanco | but I'm not having none of these problems | May 14 16:26 |
| schestowitz | Linux Magazine Shows Its SUSE Bias < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/14/linux-magazine-pro-suse-bias/ > | May 14 16:31 |
| schestowitz | MS is afraid of Google | May 14 16:31 |
| schestowitz | They'll use anything they can against it | May 14 16:32 |
| schestowitz | MS employees are frantic about Google's growth because they become part of it | May 14 16:32 |
| schestowitz | It's scary to them that they are dependent on a rival | May 14 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Notably for their search needs and increasingly other stuff too | May 14 16:32 |
| balzac | hi schestowitz | May 14 16:44 |
| balzac | That was a good story on Linux Magazine | May 14 16:44 |
| balzac | It is a reminder of one among many reasons why the GNU brand recognition must grow relative to linux brand awareness | May 14 16:45 |
| schestowitz | GNU/Linux Market Share is Not 1% (Net Applications Interrogated Further) < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/14/gnu-linux-market-share-lies/ > sponsored by MS | May 14 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Hey, balzac | May 14 16:47 |
| schestowitz | balzac: the LinuxMag story was not very good | May 14 16:48 |
| schestowitz | I write in a hurry right now | May 14 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Cause I'm a rush | May 14 16:48 |
| schestowitz | It could be better if I could recite the evidence | May 14 16:48 |
| schestowitz | What I like about BN is that it becomes self contained with extranal refs | May 14 16:49 |
| schestowitz | So points I made before I just link to | May 14 16:49 |
| schestowitz | It shortens otherwise long exlplanations and contentions. | May 14 16:49 |
| balzac | Roy, this quote froJames Plamondon of Microsoft is very interesting | May 14 16:57 |
| balzac | oJames Plamondon of Microsoft is very interesting [16:12] [balzac(+ei)] [22:freenode/#boycottnovell(+cnt)] [Act: 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,13,14,16,17,19,20] | May 14 16:59 |
| balzac | [#boycottnovell] | May 14 16:59 |
| balzac | oops | May 14 16:59 |
| balzac | I've a weird issue with pasting text | May 14 17:00 |
| balzac | “Mopping Up can be a lot of fun. In the Mopping Up phase, Evangelism’s goal is to put the final nail into the competing technology’s coffin, and bury it in the burning depths of the earth. Ideally, use of the competing technology becomes associated with mental deficiency, as in, “he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and OS/2.” Just keep rubbing it in, via the press, analysts, newsgroups, whatever. Make the complete fa | May 14 17:00 |
| balzac | This reminds me of how the Linux camp treats the Hurd project | May 14 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Gotta run | May 14 17:12 |
| schestowitz | meeting.. | May 14 17:12 |
| schestowitz | bbl | May 14 17:12 |
| balzac | okay | May 14 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | I'm back now | May 14 18:28 |
| schestowitz | balzac: Yes, I doubt it's being used as per MS' guidebooks though | May 14 18:28 |
| schestowitz | The smears against GNU that is | May 14 18:28 |
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| chips | Hello everyone | May 14 18:30 |
| chips | Must be early across the pond. | May 14 18:31 |
| chips | I saw the post on Net Apps today, good one again. | May 14 18:31 |
| chips | OS market share, Statistics never lie but liars use Statistics http://mepislovers.org/forums/subscription.php?do=viewsubscription&pp=20&folderid=0&sort=lastpost&order=desc&page=3 | May 14 18:32 |
| chips | some of the links are dead now in those 3 pages, but some useful information there. | May 14 18:33 |
| chips | Maybe Net Apps will respond if you keep at it. Offer an open challege to them to reply maybe. | May 14 18:34 |
| chips | On another note, secure XP for the gov. Threat Level Privacy, Crime and Security Online Microsoft Offers Secure Windows … But Only to the Government http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/04/air-force-windows/ | May 14 18:36 |
| chips | So M$ has a more secure version of XP released to the Air Force, with 600 settings locked down, including a limited user account by default. Whats important about this, is that it has not been leaked to the public yet, but you can bet it will be in time. | May 14 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Hey | May 14 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Let me see that links.. | May 14 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Net Apps never speaks about it | May 14 18:39 |
| schestowitz | But Opera said they admitted their figures to be wrong | May 14 18:39 |
| schestowitz | chips: it's not secure (XP), it's PR | May 14 18:39 |
| schestowitz | It's more of that "military chooses MS" BS | May 14 18:40 |
| chips | That mepislovers link, was done back when net apps 0.25% for linux reported | May 14 18:40 |
| schestowitz | They did the same with the Royal Navy and submarines | May 14 18:40 |
| schestowitz | chips: haha. | May 14 18:40 |
| schestowitz | So Linux quadrupled, eh? :-) | May 14 18:40 |
| schestowitz | When was Linux 0.1%? | May 14 18:40 |
| chips | Agreed, you really cannot secure xp, but you can remove a whole lot of problems | May 14 18:40 |
| schestowitz | 2003? | May 14 18:40 |
| schestowitz | :-D | May 14 18:40 |
| schestowitz | The NSA already has selinux | May 14 18:41 |
| schestowitz | I'll just just one quick ppst, then I'm off to the gym | May 14 18:41 |
| chips | Mepis 8 has selinux installed by default | May 14 18:41 |
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| chips | ok, Roy, I was just hoping you could use some of the link from the mepislovers post on various sites to do more on net apps | May 14 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Where do you hang out these days? | May 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Joe sold the farm | May 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you can spend more time helping us at BN | May 14 18:43 |
| chips | always he did | May 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | The MSFTer receive payments if you feed them | May 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | To end the MS press you need to ignore/suppress it | May 14 18:43 |
| schestowitz | chips: I think I need to be subscribed to the forum to read the mepis post | May 14 18:44 |
| schestowitz | I get stopped at the gateway | May 14 18:44 |
| schestowitz | I'd love to show just how funny they are. | May 14 18:44 |
| chips | or like what we did at M$ Watch, a group of knowledgeable people that posted often and countered their fund | May 14 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Like Ziff|Gates: Linux at 3%; Net Apps: 0.3% | May 14 18:45 |
| chips | it became an advertising platform for linux | May 14 18:45 |
| schestowitz | It would suggest that they are one order of magnitude off. | May 14 18:45 |
| schestowitz | When it the MEPIS figure from? | May 14 18:45 |
| chips | guessing the link is 2 to 3years old now, but some of the links in there still work and have stats | May 14 18:46 |
| chips | as it gives you stats for other sites it might be useful | May 14 18:47 |
| chips | The secure XP is interesting, as that is what I called M$ to do often in my comments at M$ Watch. The fact that they can do this, and not release it to the public is criminal | May 14 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Can you see the link? | May 14 18:48 |
| schestowitz | What about Web Archive? | May 14 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Let me try it | May 14 18:48 |
| schestowitz | No luck: http://web.archive.org/web/*/%20http://mepislovers.org/forums/subscription.php?do=viewsubscription&pp=20&folderid=0&sort=lastpost&order=desc&page=3 | May 14 18:49 |
| schestowitz | How do you know what it said? | May 14 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Any link to something which links to it? | May 14 18:49 |
| schestowitz | The Big Silver Lie Lives on http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/14/the-big-silver-lie-lives-on/ | May 14 18:50 |
| chips | yes I can see page 3 | May 14 18:50 |
| schestowitz | URL? | May 14 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Can you quote from it? | May 14 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Paste it here | May 14 18:51 |
| chips | but then I have a subscription to mepislovers | May 14 18:52 |
| chips | page 3 has this link http://www.xitimonitor.com/en-us/internet-users-equipment/operating-systems-may-2007/index-1-2-7-100.html | May 14 18:52 |
| chips | 0.8% linux back then when net apps 0.25 | May 14 18:53 |
| chips | you want me to paste the whole page? | May 14 18:53 |
| chips | here it is | May 14 18:53 |
| chips | Quote: Originally Posted by joany View Post As pointed out in the SqlSpace blog, statistics of user OS are highly dependent on the nature of the sites that are surveyed. Naturally, a geek-oriented site would tend to attract more Linux users than a site devoted to cooking. In any case, I'm not convinced that it would necessarily be a good thing to dramatical | May 14 18:54 |
| chips | well that did not work | May 14 18:54 |
| chips | Quote: Originally Posted by joany View Post As pointed out in the SqlSpace blog, statistics of user OS are highly dependent on the nature of the sites that are surveyed. Naturally, a geek-oriented site would tend to attract more Linux users than a site devoted to cooking. In any case, I'm not convinced that it would necessarily be a good thing to dramatical | May 14 18:55 |
| chips | not going let me do that | May 14 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Waiyt | May 14 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Net Apps said 0.25% in 2007? | May 14 18:56 |
| chips | here is an old link from page 3 on firefox, which net apps also misreports | May 14 18:56 |
| chips | http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/07/firefox-takes-28-market-share-in-europe/ | May 14 18:57 |
| chips | the mepislovers post was on 07-15-07 | May 14 18:58 |
| chips | not sure if 0,25 then or slightly before that | May 14 18:59 |
| chips | another working link from page 3, not to be confused with w3schools http://w3counter.com/globalstats.php | May 14 19:01 |
| *schestowitz Looks | May 14 19:02 | |
| chips | And now you see my interest in Net Apps, from the mepislovers forum link | May 14 19:02 |
| chips | was interested in their FUD long ago | May 14 19:03 |
| schestowitz | When is the .3% figure from? | May 14 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Net apps? | May 14 19:03 |
| schestowitz | 2007? | May 14 19:03 |
| schestowitz | That's all I need to know | May 14 19:03 |
| schestowitz | When did they say .3%? | May 14 19:03 |
| chips | had to be, as those all have the posted date done | May 14 19:03 |
| schestowitz | OK | May 14 19:03 |
| chips | mepislovers posts the date of the comment below the comment | May 14 19:04 |
| schestowitz | http://w3counter.com/globalstats.php?date=2007-07-30 | May 14 19:04 |
| chips | CBlue (Norma) does a great job on that site | May 14 19:04 |
| schestowitz | That's five times the number... | May 14 19:04 |
| schestowitz | They change datasets too for sure | May 14 19:04 |
| chips | yep | May 14 19:04 |
| schestowitz | OK | May 14 19:04 |
| chips | I let you go to the gym now Roy, thanks for your patence | May 14 19:05 |
| chips | goodbye | May 14 19:06 |
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| tacone | whahahah :) http://www.itsbetterwithwindows.com/ | May 14 20:10 |
| tacone | eee pc is better with windows. sure. | May 14 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | you agree to these terms of usage and limitations of warranty. In particular, | May 14 20:55 |
| schestowitz | you agree not to use this data to allow, enable, or otherwise make possible, | May 14 20:55 |
| schestowitz | dissemination or collection of this data, in part or in its entirety, for any | May 14 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | not to use this data to enable high volume, automated or robotic electronic | May 14 20:55 |
| schestowitz | processes designed to collect or compile this data for any purpose, | May 14 20:55 |
| schestowitz | including mining this data for your own personal or commercial purposes. | May 14 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://who.godaddy.com/whoischeck.aspx?Domain=ITSBETTERWITHWINDOWS.COM | May 14 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.betterwhois.com/bwhois.cgi?verification=3648&domain=itsbetterwithwindows.com&submitbtn=Continue | May 14 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com | May 14 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Name Server: NS61.DOMAINCONTROL.COM | May 14 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | Status: clientRenewProhibited | May 14 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | They hide it pretty well | May 14 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Better than Microsoft's AstroTurfers who register via DomainbyProxy.com | May 14 20:57 |
| schestowitz | ACT/Zuck for example | May 14 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | Is Net Applications One Order of Magnitude Off Target? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/14/net-applications-magnitude-off/ | May 14 21:14 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: here you go... Google suffers international outages, slowdowns < Google suffers international outages, slowdowns > | May 14 21:33 |
| schestowitz | I notice that the Clarke shill (Microsoft booster) trying to associate Azure with open source now. Typical. | May 14 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Herschel goes ballistic. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/14/herschel_plank_launch/ | May 14 21:35 |
| schestowitz | 150,000 Facebook Spoofs < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/05/14/150000-facebook-spoofs > | May 14 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Sun's Simon Phipps is linking to Net Applications drek. He cites fallacious figures that only deceive the reader. It's like me saying "Windows is great. It has Solitaire. | May 14 21:39 |
| trmanco | ah I see | May 14 21:40 |
| schestowitz | They get angry when I point out there are lies | May 14 21:41 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: as for Google, the more the hate it, the better it must have become | May 14 21:41 |
| schestowitz | They should do an article about Winodws downtime | May 14 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Write about Jill and John who couldn't launch their Outhose Express because of some nasty virus that took 1 week to get rid of. | May 14 21:42 |
| schestowitz | BP: We Won't Blow You Up, Just Ruin the Planet < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8369 >. They kill kids in Nigeria, too. | May 14 21:43 |
| schestowitz | "A Philadelphia judge has ruled that R.J. Reynolds (RJR) violated a provision of the 1998 Master Settlement Agreement that prohibits tobacco companies from using cartoons to sell cigarettes to minors." http://www.prwatch.org/node/8372 Who doesn't hate the PR industry with passion? | May 14 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | The Solar-powered Sub-notebooks Runs GNU/Linux Only: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137344/solar-powered-netbooks-tip | May 14 21:49 |
| schestowitz | "Conahan: Twitter could eventually threaten Google" | May 14 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Yeah yeah... | May 14 21:50 |
| schestowitz | sjvn says "Google down!" http://blogs.computerworld.com/google_down shall we talk about Windows virus sutdowns? :-) | May 14 21:53 |
| schestowitz | The Koala is with us... Ubuntu 9.10 as public alpha: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-May/000569.html | May 14 22:04 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi schestowitz! | May 14 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Hey,what's up? | May 14 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Linux >>>> OpenSolaris :-) http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_opensolaris_kernel&num=1 | May 14 22:09 |
| Balrog_ | about that IrisGuard software (that Omar87 was talking about) ... your friend's employer should know about the current breathalyzer mess ... if code was FOSS it wouldn't happen. | May 14 22:09 |
| trmanco | I haven't had a slowdown today | May 14 22:10 |
| trmanco | maybe I'm special... | May 14 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, localised | May 14 22:10 |
| trmanco | I might be a Google VIP user or something | May 14 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Works well for me all along | May 14 22:10 |
| trmanco | :-p | May 14 22:10 |
| Balrog_ | trmanco: slowdonw? | May 14 22:10 |
| Balrog_ | slowdown * | May 14 22:10 |
| schestowitz | May 14 22:10 | |
| schestowitz | Big mess today | May 14 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Search engine, news, everything | May 14 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Something with wires or routing. | May 14 22:10 |
| Balrog_ | yeah, that happens at times | May 14 22:11 |
| schestowitz | If Google is down, try to access it via (Google) cache ;-) Might work... | May 14 22:11 |
| Balrog_ | (I'm not talking about google specifically) | May 14 22:11 |
| trmanco | yeah, I'm the chosen one or something | May 14 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Google downtime is VERY risky to them | May 14 22:11 |
| schestowitz | It's a unique thing | May 14 22:11 |
| trmanco | I've had no problems at all | May 14 22:11 |
| Balrog_ | neither have I | May 14 22:11 |
| schestowitz | It leads people to exporing alternatives | May 14 22:11 |
| trmanco | being slow != of being down | May 14 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Linux >>>> OpenSolaris :-) http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_opensolaris_kernel&num=1 | May 14 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Oops. | May 14 22:12 |
| schestowitz | This: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2007/04/11/google-downtime-cost/ | May 14 22:12 |
| schestowitz | trmanco; Balrog_ : it's not about *us* though. Some people *did* have problems | May 14 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Maybe SJVN exaggerated the issues | May 14 22:13 |
| trmanco | and some people hop in the flow and say bad things about it, bit nothing is actually wrong about it to them | May 14 22:14 |
| trmanco | but* | May 14 22:14 |
| trmanco | Results 1 - 10 of about 224,000,000 for google down?. (0.26 seconds) | May 14 22:15 |
| trmanco | slow uh? | May 14 22:15 |
| trmanco | I wonder what storage engine they use on there databases | May 14 22:16 |
| trmanco | http://www.google.com/appsstatus | May 14 22:17 |
| balzac | -_^ | May 14 22:17 |
| trmanco | "In the stray email department, I was informed that it’s an AT&T routing issue. Anything that touches Google via AT&T is down. Trying to confirm that now so take it for what it’s worth" | May 14 22:18 |
| schestowitz | WTF? Infinite copyright? If This Is The Sort Of Writing That Strong Copyright Creates... I'll Pass < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090513/0041054856.shtml > | May 14 22:18 |
| trmanco | "Update 2: Got some our resident IT guru to explain this in English. It does appear Google is stopped at the AT&T border. Note: This may just be New York City specific. Here’s the diagram:" | May 14 22:18 |
| trmanco | "Update 9: AT&T says via Twitter that it’s not responsible for the Google outage." | May 14 22:19 |
| trmanco | yeah typical | May 14 22:20 |
| trmanco | it's nobody's fault | May 14 22:20 |
| trmanco | and here is the official announcement -> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/this-is-your-pilot-speaking-now-about.html | May 14 22:21 |
| schestowitz | at&t is evil | May 14 22:21 |
| trmanco | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=18064 | May 14 22:22 |
| trmanco | there traffic got re-routed to asia by mistake | May 14 22:22 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/05/introduction-to-at-and-t/ | May 14 22:22 |
| trmanco | hheh | May 14 22:22 |
| schestowitz | mistake... | May 14 22:22 |
| schestowitz | like all siesc malware | May 14 22:22 |
| schestowitz | momentarily | May 14 22:22 |
| schestowitz | *sites | May 14 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | Black Duck still tickles the wrong way: http://www.embedded-computing.com/articles/id/?3924 (Hybrid software development: Mixing open source with other code) | May 14 22:28 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: very quiet for Community Week | May 14 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Even Opensuse Planet is quiet | May 14 22:29 |
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| benJIman | schestowitz: I don't know, I've been too busy this week. | May 14 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | Is this an MS-associated Web site as I remember it? http://www.infoq.com/news/2009/05/Openjdk_governance | May 14 22:33 |
| schestowitz | There are two such sites that I can't tell apart | May 14 22:33 |
| schestowitz | it's FUDDING Java now | May 14 22:33 |
| schestowitz | FUD: http://slashdot.org/submission/1000179/gtOpen-Source-Java-In-Trouble | May 14 22:34 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: OK, ta | May 14 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | Kubuntu 9.10 (alpha) now available for download: http://www.kubuntu.org/karmic-alpha-1 | May 14 23:01 |
| schestowitz | First look at Ubuntu 9.10 Alpha 1 : http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-9-10-Alpha-1-Screenshot-Tour-111623.shtml | May 14 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Another curious who can't see the advantage of choice: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/05/do_kids_really.html;jsessionid=K1WHEIE2JH1ACQSNDLPCKHSCJUNN2JVN (Do Kids Really Need Their Own Computer OS?) | May 14 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | "Do Kids Really Need Their Own Computer OS? "--> Do kids need their own foods? | May 14 23:04 |
| schestowitz | The Linux-based console may still be immature: http://ostatic.com/blog/a-reviewer-gets-a-closer-look-at-the-evo-console | May 14 23:05 |
| _Goblin | Hi Roy | May 14 23:09 |
| _Goblin | I see some thought I missed the target with my recent challenge... | May 14 23:09 |
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| _Goblin | Ive responded on Twitter already, however I was well aware before the article that he was a Linux advocate of sorts. | May 14 23:10 |
| _Goblin | To me thats true impartiality, I wont challenge someone simply because they use Microsoft products. I challenge someone whose posts may mislead the average user. | May 14 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: yes, big time | May 14 23:13 |
| schestowitz | He's pro-Linux | May 14 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Nice guy. | May 14 23:14 |
| _Goblin | Maybe...but the article itself was misleading IMO. | May 14 23:14 |
| schestowitz | It would be nice to make an apology and keep searching. Sometime we all miss | May 14 23:14 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: maybe | May 14 23:14 |
| schestowitz | But he's no shill | May 14 23:14 |
| _Goblin | I didnt suggest he was (although his latest remarks dont do him any favors) | May 14 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Not to Linux :-0) | May 14 23:15 |
| _Goblin | But the issue I had with his post was along the lines of...why bring up the issue of Icons? | May 14 23:16 |
| _Goblin | His remarks to me have suggested that his "town" needs to be told about the different icons issue, yet the same town apparently doesnt need "open source" explained to them | May 14 23:16 |
| schestowitz | He'a new to Linux, I think | May 14 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Use Ubuntu, likes it a lot | May 14 23:17 |
| _Goblin | That being said, I would challenge a dubious/Misleading post of anyone and I think you experience as well as I the "you only attack microsoft users" allegation from the real shillers | May 14 23:17 |
| schestowitz | He likes Tuax Machiines (Susan), who likes him back | May 14 23:18 |
| schestowitz | I have two posts from tomorrow | May 14 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Mundie and that Office Guerilla one | May 14 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Good job picking up the evidence | May 14 23:18 |
| _Goblin | :) | May 14 23:18 |
| _Goblin | In hindsight, I may retract the comment I made of "worthlessness of biblical proportions" at the time of writing I hadnt noticed on his bio that he had a faith, so that remark whilst innocently made was probably a little OTT. | May 14 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe | May 14 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Welll, "biblical proportions" is not religious | May 14 23:21 |
| schestowitz | The bible is a book | May 14 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Nothing religious ABOUT it... just in it | May 14 23:22 |
| _Goblin | true...a little too close though... | May 14 23:22 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: aye | May 14 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Hey, DaemonFC | May 14 23:22 |
| schestowitz | MS was looking for you | May 14 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Then need to get a look at you to make an effigy | May 14 23:23 |
| schestowitz | To put right next to Amnesty Bin | May 14 23:23 |
| schestowitz | For dissing the Vista Holy 7 | May 14 23:23 |
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| DaemonFC | Dennis Kucinich is on TV | May 14 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | May 14 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | everytime a UAC popup happens, my TV feed stutters | May 14 23:28 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: why ugggh? | May 14 23:29 |
| schestowitz | He's all right unless I missed something | May 14 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | it's annoying | May 14 23:29 |
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| DaemonFC | ohhh, not Kucinich | May 14 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | UAC | May 14 23:29 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : any Windows 7 news? | May 14 23:29 |
| schestowitz | His face reminds me of that comedian with a funny voice whose name I can't rcall anymore | May 14 23:30 |
| _Hicham_ | Miguel de Icaza, your old friend | May 14 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | nope | May 14 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't been using Windows 7 since the release candidate failed to do basic things I want it to do | May 14 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | I actually find Vista more useful | May 14 23:32 |
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| DaemonFC | Microsoft has been using a Nazi Blitzkrieg tactic from XP to Vista to Windows 7. 1. Hit them hard (XP) 2. Spread out to the sides (Vista) and then form a pincer and prevent them from escaping (Windows 7) | May 14 23:33 |
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| DaemonFC | first they make it damned inconvenient to get Windows to do something you want it to, then after most people give up trying to make it do that and forget it ever could, they remove the ability | May 14 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Bingo. | May 14 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | You noticed that Windows XP Product Activation was simple, stupid, unobtrusive, and easily bypassed | May 14 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | then when most people had learned to live with it, they releasede the WGA spyware | May 14 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | then when people didn't fight back with that, they integrated it into Vista | May 14 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft had an article on TechNet a while ago about "OEM BIOS" activation hacks, there's two kinds, one is software basied and fools Windows into thinking that there's a SLIC key in the BIOS | May 14 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | so they released a WGA update that uninstalled *some* of those | May 14 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | but then there's one that involves editing your BIOS and inserting a SLIC key that they can't do anything about | May 14 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | and they made that post to basically say "We know you're out there.. woooooooooOOO!!!" | May 14 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | their rationale was that "BIOS editing doesn't scale as well" | May 14 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | but it actually scales great | May 14 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | it's casual copiers that may be affected | May 14 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | but if I'm a "mass counterfeiter", I can just make a BIOS flash for a million computers, and say they're all Dells or Sonys | May 14 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | and they all work just the same | May 14 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | better even | May 14 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | cause there's no Volume License Key that I'm mass replicating | May 14 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | so obviously Microsoft's goal is to stop people from casually making 1 or 2 copies | May 14 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | and if they were worried about "mass counterfeiting" the would have kept VLK | May 14 23:47 |
| schestowitz | It's interesting that michael larabel always hides his face.. | May 14 23:48 |
| schestowitz | In all photos.. | May 14 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Oh, here he is: http://www.thomas-pr.com/19/ces08/ces0821.html | May 14 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm posting browser benchmarks | May 14 23:54 |
| _Hicham_ | which browsers? | May 14 23:55 |
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| DaemonFC | Firefox 3.5 beta 4, Opera 10 weekly, Chrome 2.0 weekly, and IE 8 | May 14 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Very good | May 14 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Winder benchmarks | May 14 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | maybe Safari 4 | May 14 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has unfair API advantage | May 14 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Suffaing from flaws | May 14 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's not helping them | May 14 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | lol | May 14 23:57 |
| schestowitz | *Safaring | May 14 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | they're 3 times slower than Chrome | May 14 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | and 2 times slower than Firefox | May 14 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 23:57 |
| schestowitz | But they have a good intsller | May 14 23:57 |
| schestowitz | You don't even notice when it installs | May 14 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | IE 8 is only competing against IE 7 | May 14 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 23:58 |
| schestowitz | With IE, it's the same | May 14 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | unfortunately I can't benchmark IE 7 or 6 | May 14 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | cause you can only run one IE at a time | May 14 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 14 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | ouch | May 14 23:59 |
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