IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: May 15th, 2009

_Hicham_no, u can run as much IEs as you wantMay 15 00:00
DaemonFCOpera's canvas graphics support is pretty slowMay 15 00:00
DaemonFCyou can use Compatability View in IE 8May 15 00:00
DaemonFCto have it render like IE 7May 15 00:00
_Hicham_there is a registry patch on the netMay 15 00:00
_Hicham_that allows u to run IE 5, 6, 7, 8May 15 00:01
_Hicham_simultaneouslyMay 15 00:01
schestowitzYesMay 15 00:04
schestowitzI think so tooMay 15 00:04
schestowitzYou had articles years back about the optionMay 15 00:04
schestowitzSurely for IE6 and 7May 15 00:04
schestowitzNot just Linux with IE4LMay 15 00:04
DaemonFCI'm going to stack up Firefox 2.0.20 against the mix tooMay 15 00:04
schestowitzWait, it has another nameMay 15 00:04
DaemonFCto demonstrate that even that is faster than IE 8 :)May 15 00:04
schestowitzWhich tests?May 15 00:07
schestowitzGold standards?May 15 00:07
DaemonFCschestowitz: PeacekeeperMay 15 00:08
DaemonFCit's a browser benchmark suite that tests an array of standard browser functionsMay 15 00:08
DaemonFCit makes for a more well rounded test than just javascript (SunSpider)May 15 00:09
taconefrench third strike passedMay 15 00:09
schestowitzYes, SunSpider is what I had in mindMay 15 00:09
schestowitzACID is another worthy test, but it's deterministic in a wayMay 15 00:09
schestowitzNot h/w dependent anyway (nor os-dep)May 15 00:09
schestowitztacone: yes, I have some rebuttalsMay 15 00:10
taconefrench constitutional council will examine the law to determine if it's constitutional or not.May 15 00:10
schestowitzDoes it matter? :-)May 15 00:10
schestowitzIt's like with Bush.May 15 00:10
DaemonFCjavascript is importantMay 15 00:10
DaemonFCbut it's only one pieceMay 15 00:10
taconethou shalt not mess with constitutionMay 15 00:10
schestowitzIf it's constituttonial, fine.May 15 00:10
schestowitzIf not, then *sigh( oh, well.May 15 00:10
schestowitzWhy check AFTER it's passed?May 15 00:10
schestowitz :-)May 15 00:10
_GoblinTacone: The whole concept (if applied over here would only be applicable to P2P)May 15 00:10
DaemonFCFirefox 2 has horrible Canvas performanceMay 15 00:11
DaemonFCFirefox 3 does a lot betterMay 15 00:11
DaemonFCIE 8 still has no support for thatMay 15 00:11
schestowitztacone: I smell guillotINAAMay 15 00:11
_GoblinAs far as Im aware there is no provision in the UK's theft act for download from say newsgroups IRCMay 15 00:11
taconefrance used to be a people well disposed to fight with the goverment.May 15 00:11
taconethey have obtained a lot in the pastMay 15 00:12
taconesarkozy seems the end of that era.May 15 00:12
DaemonFChmmmMay 15 00:12
DaemonFCFirefox 2 is slower than IE 8May 15 00:12
DaemonFClolMay 15 00:12
_GoblinIn relation to FACT, it doesnt have that much power and like I say its only able to act on BT protocol and the likeMay 15 00:12
taconeDaemonFC: disable all extensions and try again :)May 15 00:12
DaemonFCthere are noneMay 15 00:13
_GoblinTacone: Mind you talking of the theft act in the UK.  Heres one for you "Theft of space" yes it has a provision under the theft actMay 15 00:13
DaemonFCI'll put that under "Good news for all you Windows 98 users, finally a reason to upgrade"May 15 00:14
DaemonFC:)May 15 00:14
DaemonFCI expect Safari 4 will be close to Chrome in performanceMay 15 00:15
DaemonFCit was about even on SunspiderMay 15 00:15
_GoblinI havent yet been able to any sort of functionality from the Chrome alphaMay 15 00:15
DaemonFCworks fine for meMay 15 00:16
_Goblin*getMay 15 00:16
DaemonFCWHOAMay 15 00:18
DaemonFCSafari blew past Chrome!!!May 15 00:19
taconeon wine ? :)May 15 00:19
DaemonFCVistaMay 15 00:19
taconeuh, on windows ? really ?May 15 00:19
DaemonFCSafari 4 got 3075 pointsMay 15 00:19
taconei thought it was fast only on macMay 15 00:19
DaemonFCChrome weekly got 2751May 15 00:19
DaemonFCOpera 10 weekly got 1806May 15 00:20
DaemonFCFF 3.5 b4 got 1642May 15 00:20
DaemonFC2.0.10 got 1092May 15 00:20
DaemonFCIE 8 got 730May 15 00:20
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DaemonFCFF 2.0.20 got 492May 15 00:20
DaemonFCso Safari 4 is the fastest browser on Windows and over 425% faster than IE 8May 15 00:21
DaemonFC:)May 15 00:21
DaemonFCerrrMay 15 00:22
taconeuh, earcandy rocks. i totally love it.May 15 00:22
DaemonFC421.23287% faster than IE 8May 15 00:22
schestowitzWhat will Oracle do with/to JavaFX?May 15 00:22
schestowitztacone: no, sarko is the /beginning/ of an eraMay 15 00:23
taconenoMay 15 00:23
taconewhich era are you talking about ?May 15 00:23
schestowitzChirack (?) is the one who even resisted bad warsMay 15 00:23
tacone... and ?May 15 00:24
tacones/k//May 15 00:24
schestowitzIt's the era of control from across the seaMay 15 00:25
schestowitzJacques was the opposite wasn't he??May 15 00:25
schestowitzI mean, Sarko goes lounging in houses of MS execsMay 15 00:25
schestowitzHe's in their pocketMay 15 00:25
taconethat's the end of the fairness in french politicsMay 15 00:26
taconeallied with the USA, but capable to still own their own nation.May 15 00:27
taconesarko is the era of all that. many french people think it will never get elected again.May 15 00:27
taconethey're wrong.May 15 00:27
taconeit's going the same route of italy, just 15 years later. they're fucked.May 15 00:28
taconesome french fascist group even invited an italian politician to a meeting to get some lesson about how to infiltrate the government the right way.May 15 00:30
schestowitzHmmm...May 15 00:31
schestowitzYou're right on target I fearMay 15 00:31
schestowitzSarko reminds me of Mussolini although I know too little about the latterMay 15 00:31
_Hicham_Sarko is just a little puppetMay 15 00:32
schestowitzBecause you mention liaising with others to share political tricks.May 15 00:32
taconethey've got a documentary. a journalist hidden in the meeting. filming the thing.May 15 00:32
taconethe italian politician told them 'the worst error is to admit you're fascist. leverage people love for their region and put them against other regions or foreigners'May 15 00:33
schestowitz_Goblin: Obama is a puppet tooMay 15 00:33
taconethe french guys told him, 'yes, but you have to admit that's more difficult in french (cause the culture they have'May 15 00:34
schestowitzBut not smallMay 15 00:34
schestowitzTallerMay 15 00:34
schestowitzHow did Sarko get electedMay 15 00:34
taconestill obama is good.May 15 00:34
schestowitzFree wine for the voters to be intoxicated?May 15 00:34
taconelack of proposals from the left wing.May 15 00:34
schestowitzHe should trial Diick and GeorgeMay 15 00:35
taconeit's the same old two-parties trickMay 15 00:35
taconeonly two big parties in the country, illusion of choice for the voter.May 15 00:35
taconein italy is very simpleMay 15 00:36
taconeright does big damages for 4 yearsMay 15 00:36
taconethen left get elected and taxes people to recover some cash the right has theft.May 15 00:36
taconebut doesn't repair the damagesMay 15 00:37
taconethey fall after 1 year and the cycle starts again.May 15 00:37
taconein the eyes of people left wing is made of corrupts (that's true) and it's their fault if all the damages (to the law system) made by the right are still there.May 15 00:37
schestowitztacone: only one partyMay 15 00:37
schestowitzCall it the business partyMay 15 00:38
schestowitzIt's then divided to factionsMay 15 00:38
taconeof course, left and right are one partyMay 15 00:38
schestowitzAt least in the USMay 15 00:38
taconehow could right esist without left ?May 15 00:38
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schestowitztacone: left hand, right handMay 15 00:38
taconewhat other meanings has the 'right' word in english ?May 15 00:38
schestowitzMakes one humanMay 15 00:38
taconewhat other meanings has 'left' ?May 15 00:38
schestowitzYou need not left and rightMay 15 00:38
schestowitzYou need a separate entityMay 15 00:38
schestowitzIn some place you have Green|Pirate partiesMay 15 00:39
schestowitzThese are the 'outsiders'May 15 00:39
schestowitzThe real anarchistsMay 15 00:39
schestowitzIn a system of suits and people who pretend to be 'for the peopleMay 15 00:39
taconewe have one.May 15 00:39
schestowitzNot those elected from withi themMay 15 00:39
schestowitzLike in BoliviaMay 15 00:39
schestowitzBut they get NO PUBLICITYMay 15 00:39
schestowitzThe press is usually owned by the branches of the business partyMay 15 00:40
taconehere too, but they used the internet succesfullyMay 15 00:40
schestowitzYesMay 15 00:40
taconethey still get ignored by newspaperMay 15 00:40
taconebut are growing, so they can't ignore them so much no longerMay 15 00:40
schestowitzWhich is why the Internet is now labeled the turf of child-molesting TERROR~1May 15 00:40
taconethe other parties call them 'justicialists'May 15 00:40
schestowitzIn the US they called it "the fight for the minds of men"May 15 00:41
taconebecause they claim many people in the parliament should go to jail.May 15 00:41
schestowitzThey need to keep them focused on illusions, i.e. distratcedMay 15 00:41
taconeitaly is on no-returnMay 15 00:42
taconethey're in school and in text-booksMay 15 00:42
tacone15 years of government is too muchMay 15 00:42
taconehope the french people reacts. but i have little hopes.May 15 00:42
schestowitzIn the news today:May 15 00:43
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137337/germany-shuts-wikileaks Germany shuts down WikileaksMay 15 00:43
schestowitzDid you hear about it?May 15 00:43
taconeso it was a shutdown ?May 15 00:43
schestowitzWikileaks is crucialMay 15 00:43
taconethey told it was the ISPMay 15 00:43
schestowitzIt stems storiesMay 15 00:43
schestowitzThat's where people get dirt on crooked politicians in the first placeMay 15 00:44
schestowitztacone: not sureMay 15 00:44
schestowitzIt's the INQMay 15 00:44
taconelinuxoutlaws podcasting was lamenting in germany, you're liable for clicking pedo porn linksMay 15 00:44
schestowitzSo follow the linkMay 15 00:44
schestowitzHahgahahaMay 15 00:44
taconeyou click the link of a blocked site, and you get a webpage of the policeMay 15 00:44
taconeip recorded and stuff like thatMay 15 00:44
schestowitzIj Linux Outlaws?May 15 00:44
taconethey renamed it 'the rickroll of death' :-DMay 15 00:44
schestowitz*InMay 15 00:45
taconehttp://linuxoutlaws.com/May 15 00:45
schestowitzYesMay 15 00:45
schestowitzI knowMay 15 00:45
schestowitzThey have a new showMay 15 00:45
taconeone of them is germanyMay 15 00:45
schestowitzFunny headline!May 15 00:45
taconegermanMay 15 00:45
schestowitz"CoC"May 15 00:45
schestowitzyesMay 15 00:45
schestowitzFabsMay 15 00:45
taconethe title is mine :PMay 15 00:45
schestowitzIs it..?May 15 00:45
taconethat's a word play they got around during the show recordingMay 15 00:45
taconewe were there in the irc channel, so that was my proposal when they wondered how to name the episode.May 15 00:46
taconei don't listen podcast but they're pretty funnyMay 15 00:46
tacone*podcasts (in general)May 15 00:47
DaemonFCbenchmarking Firefox 1.5May 15 00:49
DaemonFC:)May 15 00:49
DaemonFCjust throwing everything I can find at itMay 15 00:49
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schestowitztacone: me neitherMay 15 00:53
schestowitzThere are a fewMay 15 00:53
schestowitzIf the broadcaster is someone I knowMay 15 00:53
taconean italian eurodeputy got the EU to put out documents about how they don't use open source ?!May 15 01:02
taconelet me read.May 15 01:02
taconetitle of a user comment on the news 'dirty pigs, just because it's up to us citizen to pay'May 15 01:03
taconethe user was right, they're pigsMay 15 01:05
taconeeconomical reason not to use floss: cost of conversion of all existing data from word/powerpoint/excel formats to the new one.May 15 01:05
taconeschestowitz: still there? seems to be nice stuff for you.May 15 01:07
schestowitzThe site gives some errors...May 15 01:07
taconeschestowitz: go look for some other errors here http://lnx.marcocappato.it/files/Studio%20Free%20Software%20CII%20EP%20(2009)%2021366%20-%20Annex.pdfMay 15 01:07
taconein french and english languageMay 15 01:07
schestowitzI can't right nowMay 15 01:08
schestowitzSomething wrong with the server..May 15 01:09
taconedownload it and read it later.May 15 01:09
taconethat's the study the EU used to decide between MS and FLOSSMay 15 01:10
taconea study they didn't want to make public.May 15 01:10
schestowitz"Server Load  27.92 (4 cpus)"May 15 01:12
taconegoshMay 15 01:13
taconetail the access log of apache.May 15 01:13
schestowitzWaitMay 15 01:14
schestowitzCould this be related to the MS-crooked one?May 15 01:14
schestowitzWith Zuck?May 15 01:14
tacone?May 15 01:14
schestowitzOpen Source Strategy Doc?May 15 01:14
schestowitzYou don't know?May 15 01:14
taconedunnoMay 15 01:14
schestowitzI'm still in touch the the commission about itMay 15 01:14
taconeohMay 15 01:14
taconehttp://lnx.marcocappato.it/comment/reply/38918May 15 01:14
taconei'm translating this right now on my blog.May 15 01:15
schestowitzHahaha!May 15 01:15
schestowitzgartnerMay 15 01:15
schestowitzSkip to pages 25+May 15 01:15
schestowitzMicrosoft all over itMay 15 01:15
taconetomorrow i'll try to understand better the who and the where.May 15 01:15
schestowitzGoshMay 15 01:16
taconethat's a document the EU didn't want to disclose because disclosing may 'compromise our business agreements with MS'May 15 01:16
schestowitzDon't they know MS commissioned Gartner for anti-Linux?May 15 01:16
schestowitzWe knowMay 15 01:16
schestowitzCause we have the receipts  :-DMay 15 01:16
schestowitzAnd I see their Linux<1% lieMay 15 01:16
schestowitzNice to know it's good ol GartrnerMay 15 01:16
taconethis thing is pretty hotMay 15 01:16
taconeand since it's out for the world to seeMay 15 01:17
schestowitzWhat??May 15 01:17
schestowitz'compromise our business agreements with MS'?May 15 01:17
taconethe world will see it.May 15 01:17
taconeno, the studyMay 15 01:17
schestowitzWaitMay 15 01:17
schestowitzThis is a study about FOSSMay 15 01:17
schestowitzFrom Microsoft?May 15 01:17
schestowitzLook at page 33May 15 01:17
schestowitzAll MicrosoftMay 15 01:17
taconeused to decide if use foss or stick with m$May 15 01:17
schestowitzWindows, Windows, Windows..May 15 01:17
schestowitzBased on GARTNER?May 15 01:17
taconeyeah :)May 15 01:17
schestowitzIt's like asking the Pope if you should coinvert to IslamMay 15 01:18
taconenext time they'll ask IDC :PMay 15 01:18
schestowitzWowMay 15 01:18
schestowitzLook at page 29May 15 01:18
schestowitz39May 15 01:18
schestowitzThey mock LinuxMay 15 01:18
schestowitzWowMay 15 01:18
schestowitzThis is poisonMay 15 01:18
taconei won't even read itMay 15 01:18
schestowitzThey deface TuxMay 15 01:18
taconei'll translate Cappato's post and publish the attachment.May 15 01:18
schestowitzWhat is this, a tabloid?May 15 01:18
schestowitzWine FUDMay 15 01:19
taconethe italian EU parliament guy that fighted the EU to disclose this studyMay 15 01:19
schestowitzOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!May 15 01:20
schestowitzMichael SIlver!!!May 15 01:20
schestowitzThat's their mMAIN SHILLMay 15 01:20
schestowitzThat's where it comes fromMay 15 01:20
schestowitzMoses smell the rosesMay 15 01:20
schestowitzhe's like an MS employeeMay 15 01:21
schestowitzhe also attacks ODFMay 15 01:21
schestowitzThis thing is a farceMay 15 01:21
taconeschestowitz: so now tell meMay 15 01:21
taconeit this document nice or not ? :-)May 15 01:21
schestowitzIt ISMay 15 01:21
taconehere's the source where I downloaded it http://lnx.marcocappato.it/comment/reply/38918May 15 01:21
schestowitzKeep a copyMay 15 01:21
schestowitzI'll post about it tomorrowMay 15 01:22
DaemonFC"My message to the IE team is that you should all go commit seppuku for this abomination."May 15 01:22
schestowitzWill link to the other Zuck fox tooMay 15 01:22
DaemonFC:)May 15 01:22
schestowitzThey are totally corrupting the minds of FedsMay 15 01:22
schestowitz---May 15 01:22
schestowitzI make a copy hereMay 15 01:22
schestowitzLet's hange subject..May 15 01:23
*tacone translating now !May 15 01:26
DaemonFChttp://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9417/96241174.pngMay 15 01:30
DaemonFChttp://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/surprise-the-fastest-browser-on-windows-is-in-fact/May 15 01:30
DaemonFC"On a technical level, IE is competing with Firefox 2 for speed and Firefox 1.0 for standards support."May 15 01:31
DaemonFC:)May 15 01:31
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taconeuff, almost done with the translationMay 15 01:52
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Ziggyfishschestowitz, is the site down?May 15 01:56
taconesome dos perhapsMay 15 01:56
Ziggyfish???May 15 01:56
taconedenial of serviceMay 15 01:57
Ziggyfishit seems to be a wiki problemMay 15 01:57
Ziggyfishoh, of courseMay 15 01:57
taconewordpress uses cacheMay 15 01:57
Ziggyfishor to many people on the siteMay 15 01:58
taconedigg effect ? slashdotted ?May 15 01:58
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taconegod bless wordpress spell checkerMay 15 02:05
taconeamen.May 15 02:05
schestowitzZiggyfish: server is very, very slowMay 15 02:06
schestowitztacone: wordpress ot Firefox?May 15 02:07
taconewordpressMay 15 02:07
taconei've a nice ABC button, if I click it it suggests alternative spellingsMay 15 02:07
taconea god send for me, since I'm no english mother language. and translating makes everything harderMay 15 02:07
taconei also have firefox ubiquity plugin, which has a shortcut I use to translate certain wordsMay 15 02:08
taconerappresentanti = representatives != representantsMay 15 02:08
schestowitzServer has stablisedi, finallyMay 15 02:12
schestowitzThanks, tacone May 15 02:12
taconeschestowitz: i'll publish the translation in 1-2 minutesMay 15 02:12
taconecontains some funny bitsMay 15 02:12
taconeschestowitz: how do you call when an elected commission end their mandate ?May 15 02:18
taconein italy we call it 'legislatura'May 15 02:18
taconeis legislature a proper term ?May 15 02:18
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ZiggyfishyesMay 15 02:22
taconeokMay 15 02:22
Ziggyfishit's a person who manages legislationMay 15 02:24
taconeno, i meanMay 15 02:24
taconewhen a government endsMay 15 02:24
taconeis 'legislature end' a proper term ?May 15 02:24
schestowitzJust finished watching the first installment of The Trap < http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=B6B9EE3203331822&search_query=bbc+the+trap > very good, recommended.May 15 02:34
schestowitzStefano, it's almost 4am there.May 15 02:35
schestowitzI'm done for today... links posted, server strablised : -)May 15 02:35
taconeschestowitz: are you there ?May 15 02:37
taconegood night schestowitzMay 15 02:38
taconehttp://www.stefanoforenza.com/the-eu-parliament-still-sticks-with-microsoft-heres-why/May 15 02:38
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DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T52u75dSwBI&feature=relatedMay 15 02:41
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DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nUVjMkhF_I&annotation_id=annotation_916248&feature=ivMay 15 02:50
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twitterHmmm, I'm getting database connection errors.May 15 03:04
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oiaohmhttp://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22643/  << Kinda the next wave.May 15 03:12
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DaemonFCschestowitz: I need to try KDE on Windows againMay 15 03:40
DaemonFCwonder if it's gotten any betterMay 15 03:40
DaemonFChmmm, speaking of FlashMay 15 03:41
DaemonFCisn't open sourcing the last distch before being crushed by Microsoft?May 15 03:41
DaemonFCNetscape, Java, and now Flash?May 15 03:41
DaemonFC*ditchMay 15 03:42
DaemonFC"Oh shit, we're fucked now, open source it even though we're 3 years too late for that to do any goodMay 15 03:42
DaemonFCB-)May 15 03:42
twitterNothing on Windows has gotten any better, FCMay 15 03:42
DaemonFCAdobe has had every reason to open source everything necessary to play back FlashMay 15 03:43
twitterThe way CBS, NYT and Major League Baseball are going, Adobe is far from being crushed.May 15 03:43
DaemonFCanything that encourages more installations of Flash makes their development tools more in demandMay 15 03:43
twitteryepMay 15 03:43
DaemonFCif every non-IE browser on every OS comes with Flash effectively built-inMay 15 03:44
twitterand pdf tools, etcMay 15 03:44
DaemonFCthen they have a powerful new tool to fight Microsoft withMay 15 03:44
twitterno one is going to replace their proven paper path and media for the new M$ suck.May 15 03:45
twitterAdobe's most serious competition comes from free tools.May 15 03:46
twitterAdobe can flow with it or flush away with M$May 15 03:46
twitterIt is amazing how M$ managed to crush competitors one at a time.  If any of them had their thinking caps on, they would have united to beat M$ off long ago.  Docbock, SGML, VMS, BSD, Word Perfect, should also be thought of when considering stuff like Netscape.May 15 03:48
twitterNextStep, Mac, Amiga and so on and so forth.May 15 03:49
twitterAll of them had much better than the Windows hell hole of non standards.May 15 03:49
oiaohm twitter is really had to bet a competor that does a stack of illegal deals.  Like if you wanted to sell MS dos you had to agree that all computers you made even if they did not have a x86 processor you payed MS for.May 15 03:55
oiaohmBSD and VMS had no interest in the desktop.May 15 03:57
twitterI'm not sure what you just said, but yeah M$ depends on anti-competitive practices.  Surely an alliance of others would be stronger than M$ when it comes to vendors.May 15 03:57
oiaohmAmiga screwed them selves over with even worse anti-competitive partices.  Like being the only provide for applications for there OS.May 15 03:58
twitterIt does not matter much now, the tables are turned on M$ and they have little hope of competingMay 15 03:58
oiaohmHistory is littered with companys that have make the same mistakes as MS.May 15 03:59
oiaohmAs humans we fail to learn from history.May 15 03:59
oiaohmWordperfect tried twitter.May 15 04:00
twitterThey were crushed on Windows.May 15 04:01
oiaohmSo did netscape.  Netscape.May 15 04:01
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twitterCrushed on Windows.May 15 04:01
oiaohmsure make sure they could come back.May 15 04:01
oiaohmYou cheat we release source code so we will not die.May 15 04:01
twitterThe best way to avoid being crushed on Windows is to have nothing to do with Windows.May 15 04:01
twitterThis is why I think porting to Windows is a waste of time.May 15 04:02
oiaohmHow did Windows crush OS/2May 15 04:02
twitterAt the OEM level.  M$ dumped Win3.1 and made sure OS/2 was always more expensive than Windows.May 15 04:02
oiaohmWindows had a OS/2 emulation layer and under cut price.May 15 04:03
twitterIBM will have the last laughMay 15 04:03
oiaohmPorting applications to windows also have there advantage.May 15 04:04
twitterthey have learned that non free software is a waste of time.May 15 04:04
oiaohmReducing the migration cost.May 15 04:04
oiaohmIn the case of firefox getting big enough market to make web sites support it.May 15 04:04
twitterReduced migration cost comes from simply having better tools outside of Windows.May 15 04:04
oiaohmremember with IE was heavly dominate in web site design twitter.May 15 04:05
twitterI don't really remember that.May 15 04:05
oiaohmWhen sites were failing under firefox like banking sites.May 15 04:06
twitterI remember a few crap sites and a few businesses that made some bad decisions.  All of that died off quickly.May 15 04:06
oiaohmIt was either IE or don't do business.May 15 04:06
twitterBusiness does not work that way.May 15 04:06
oiaohmIt was when IE had its highest market share.May 15 04:06
twitterAs a business you don't turn away customers.May 15 04:06
oiaohmAround 96 percent.May 15 04:07
twitterIE never had that much of the market and that is still not enough to justify IE only design.May 15 04:07
oiaohmIn some markets it did.May 15 04:07
twitterA business that turns away one in twenty customers is really stupidMay 15 04:07
oiaohmAustralia here it got to that number.May 15 04:07
oiaohmSo businesses stoped supporting other browsers for a while.May 15 04:08
twitterYeah, yeah, sites that did the IE only thing lost money.May 15 04:08
oiaohmNop.May 15 04:08
oiaohmEvery bank was the same.May 15 04:08
oiaohmSo it was a simple case either run IE or don't do business.May 15 04:08
twitterNewspapers, banks, broadcasters, these are all synonyms for failure right now.May 15 04:09
twitterbig dumb companiesMay 15 04:09
oiaohmAustralian banks are not in trouble.May 15 04:09
twitterthey failed because they were run by idiotsMay 15 04:09
oiaohmThey are doing quite well.May 15 04:09
twitteryeah, right.May 15 04:09
oiaohmThey are all recording profits.May 15 04:09
oiaohmOnly down by 5 percent.May 15 04:09
twittermust not have invested in M$ and other mistakes.May 15 04:10
oiaohmBasically they are not dumb banks.May 15 04:10
twittergood for themMay 15 04:10
oiaohmannoying banks for working as a team.May 15 04:10
twitterbut they are very dumb indeed if they make it hard for customers to use their site or trust M$ to make things easy for themselves.May 15 04:10
oiaohmThese days it flipped over.May 15 04:11
twittergood.May 15 04:11
oiaohmMany of them refuse your login if you are running IE.May 15 04:11
twitterthat's a fraud prevention tactic that others should follow.May 15 04:11
oiaohmThey are highly bias in there operations.May 15 04:11
oiaohmNever would have happened if Firefox did not run on windows.May 15 04:12
twitterbut it is inconsistent, Windows itself can not be trusted.May 15 04:12
twitterso they annoy the customer to no real effect.  they will lose money to fraud anyway.May 15 04:12
oiaohmI know but some applications need to be ported to windows to unlock some markets for everyone else.May 15 04:12
twitterthey should test for Windows and refuse to proceed.May 15 04:13
twitterGNU/Linux can also be downloaded at no charge.  Business must protect itself by protecting their customers from flawed software.May 15 04:13
oiaohmFirefox is one of those that really was required to be on every platform.   Web browsers reallly fall into that cat.May 15 04:13
oiaohmThey are the key stone applications.May 15 04:14
twitterweb standards work better than any specific application.May 15 04:14
twitterFF would be leaner and meaner if it were not chasing M$ crap.May 15 04:14
oiaohmWithout them people to use OS to do business becomes extreamly hard.May 15 04:14
oiaohmFF needs a complier that works on Linux and kernel bug with fsync removed.May 15 04:14
twitterThe faster and further you distance yourself from M$, the better off you are.May 15 04:15
twitterGCC works just fine for the purposes.May 15 04:15
twitterplease don't GNU troll here.May 15 04:15
oiaohmGCC cannot profile well due to lacking whole program optimisation.   Reallly Firefox could close some of the performance gap changing over to llvm.May 15 04:16
twitterMy nice little laptop works so much better with free software than Windows that your GNU FUD does not have a leg to stand on.May 15 04:16
twitterGCC can be improved, but the things which use it are already vastly better than anything M$ has to offer.May 15 04:16
oiaohmGCC needs to be improved.May 15 04:17
oiaohmNot just can be.May 15 04:17
twitterGCC will be improved and is constantly.  DMay 15 04:18
oiaohmThe most annoying one is binutils is ment to have a build mode when it can build for every platform.  It design says it should work.   But due to hacks over the years that feature does not work.May 15 04:18
twitterM$ shit is stagnant and actually falling apart.May 15 04:18
oiaohmGCC also has hacks that have broken its internal operations.May 15 04:19
twitterYou make mountains of little grains of sand.May 15 04:19
twitterJust about everyone uses GCC.May 15 04:19
oiaohmAs long as you are moving sand in the right direction.May 15 04:19
twitterBSD, Sun, Apple and of course GNU/Linux.May 15 04:19
twitterGoogle.May 15 04:20
oiaohmBSD's are looking to move away from GCCMay 15 04:20
oiaohmGoogle highly customised verison of GCC.May 15 04:20
twitteryeah, yeah, they have forever.  Let me know when anyone considers M$VC.  LOLMay 15 04:20
oiaohmReactos team.May 15 04:21
twitterpeople at Novell?May 15 04:21
oiaohmIt used to build mono for windows so I would suspect so.May 15 04:22
twitterhas M$ ever fixed their embarrassing white space problems?May 15 04:22
DaemonFCI've used MSVC to build Windows appsMay 15 04:22
twitterYou know, where substituting spaces for tabs breaks things?May 15 04:22
oiaohmFixed quite a few versions back twitter.May 15 04:22
twitterWindows apps is about all you can build with MSVC.May 15 04:22
DaemonFCyeah, GCC 4.4 is a lot better even when you're tageting WindowsMay 15 04:23
DaemonFCit's patheticMay 15 04:23
twitterWindows is pathetic, so why would I target it?May 15 04:23
twitterexcept for deletion.May 15 04:23
oiaohmYet Gcc 4.4 programs on windows still end up slower than MSVC ones.May 15 04:23
oiaohmIt 1 bug.May 15 04:23
oiaohmLack of whole program optimisation.May 15 04:24
twitterand no one cares, ha ha.May 15 04:24
oiaohmYou care when firefox is faster on windows than Linux.May 15 04:24
DaemonFCno, Windows shouldn't be targeted for bad performance by open source applicationsMay 15 04:24
DaemonFCyou don't gain attention by advertising that open source apps run worse than Microsoft onesMay 15 04:24
DaemonFCwhich is what will happen if the compiler doesn't optimize Windows binaries wellMay 15 04:25
DaemonFCor well, not good attentionMay 15 04:25
DaemonFCthe last thing open source should be doing is letting these MS FUD spreaders have meritMay 15 04:25
oiaohmGcc is a cause of a lot of bad advertising of open source.May 15 04:25
twitterNothing runs slower than Windows.May 15 04:26
oiaohmLOLMay 15 04:26
DaemonFCOS X doesMay 15 04:26
DaemonFCactuallyMay 15 04:26
DaemonFC:)May 15 04:26
twitterThis talk of FF running faster on windows is crazy.May 15 04:26
DaemonFCit does run faster on WindowsMay 15 04:26
oiaohmYou can bench and prove it many times over twitterMay 15 04:26
DaemonFCLinux is not really a priority for themMay 15 04:26
DaemonFCit's fairly obviousMay 15 04:26
twitterI can't really see that when the hardware I have gets me where I want to go faster.May 15 04:26
twitterI think this benchmark is bullshit.May 15 04:27
oiaohmBad complier equals bad performing programs.May 15 04:27
twitterand no, I can't really reproduce it because Windows is not worth booting.May 15 04:27
twitterActually, I think I can reproduce it.May 15 04:27
oiaohmJust compare llvm build program to a gcc built one.May 15 04:28
DaemonFCI wonder if there's a way to lock file assiciations in WindowsMay 15 04:28
oiaohmBoth are open source complier.May 15 04:28
twitterI can take any live CD and boot faster and get surfing faster than real live windows does on the same machine.May 15 04:28
DaemonFCto keep IE from invadingMay 15 04:28
oiaohmgcc is slow.May 15 04:28
oiaohmllvm built services can speed up your boot process.May 15 04:29
twitterI know all of the hardware at work is way better than my laptop but Windows sucks the life out of all of it.May 15 04:29
oiaohmLevel of hacks in the Linux kernel to do that twitter to get around gcc problems is down right scary.May 15 04:29
twitterI can take Knoppix, Mepis or even Ubuntu live CDs to that hardware and beat the piss out of Windows on it.May 15 04:29
twitterI don't care what "hacks" GCC uses, the end result is the same.May 15 04:30
oiaohmAnyone who truely has had to make gcc give performance out to gcc will not like it.May 15 04:30
oiaohmYou end up with harder to maintain code.May 15 04:30
twitterYou call M$VC "hacks" optimizations, but none of it works worth a crap when it's all put together.May 15 04:30
oiaohmMSVC gets speed out of clean to spec code more than what gcc does.May 15 04:31
oiaohmSo does llvm.May 15 04:31
twitterM$VC does not conform to standardsMay 15 04:31
twitterand none of it matters.  Windows is a pig.May 15 04:31
oiaohmTo get gcc to catch up you have to use non standard conforming code.  Gcc only code.May 15 04:32
oiaohmEven then it don't fully catch up.May 15 04:32
twitterStandards will catch up to GCC sooner or later.May 15 04:32
oiaohmMSVC application speed is normally worse when you use the sections of MS complier that don't conform to standards.May 15 04:33
twitterAs soon as M$ and other douche bags go under and quit corrupting "standards"May 15 04:33
oiaohmtwitter the extentions I have to use with Gcc and code reshape to get performance are all marked for long term removal.May 15 04:33
oiaohmSo will never become part of a standard.May 15 04:34
oiaohmThe are pure hacks nothing more.May 15 04:34
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twitterwhat you "have to use" has nothing to do with much I care about.  :)May 15 04:34
oiaohmYou care above applications malfuctions.   the code reshaping for speed increases risks of that.May 15 04:35
oiaohmBecause functions that are all releated that should be in the same source file have to be spreed to the wind threw the source code.May 15 04:36
oiaohmSo increasing risk of incompadible modifications.May 15 04:36
twitteryou talk a lot, but you really can't change the big picture.  free software out performs non free software.  I'm going to believe my eyes before I listen to your nit picks.May 15 04:37
oiaohmSome areas it out performs.May 15 04:37
oiaohmThe question is at what price twitter.May 15 04:37
twitterI pay no price for my performance, ohmMay 15 04:38
oiaohmPart of the reason why BSD has been slower is there strict rules against the kinds of hacks I am talking about.May 15 04:38
twitterBSD is usually snappy and nice.  I'm not sure what you are talking about.May 15 04:39
twitterGenerally, Ohm, you are full of shit.May 15 04:39
twitterlots of small details to tell a big lieMay 15 04:39
oiaohmSmall details are important.May 15 04:40
twitterthe big picture is more importantMay 15 04:41
twitterthe big picture I've got is that lots more people are working on small chunks of free software and the results are excellent.May 15 04:41
oiaohmWhat will define the long term big picture.   Its all the small details that make it up.   Some sections are more important than others.May 15 04:42
twitterGNU debugger, for example, has more than 90 authorsMay 15 04:42
twitterno non free software can afford that kind of attention and most non free debuggers are not as good.May 15 04:42
twitterthe same goes for most GNU toolsMay 15 04:42
oiaohmVery bad claim.May 15 04:43
twitteryet you try to paint GNU as inferior to MSVC, LOLMay 15 04:43
twitteran insane claim if ever there was one.May 15 04:43
oiaohmdtrace is one of the best debuggers out there.May 15 04:43
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twitterI think you have switched the subject, Mr. Resistor.May 15 04:44
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the_mad_hatterEvening.May 15 04:44
oiaohmgnu have been mostly alright tools.May 15 04:44
twittergood evening.May 15 04:44
oiaohmNot the best tools twitterMay 15 04:44
twitterany news hatter?May 15 04:44
twittergo away ohm.May 15 04:44
the_mad_hatterYeah. Got a good one for Roy. You know that Evolution is a Novell project?May 15 04:45
twitterNo, I don't use Evolution.May 15 04:45
twitterand don't know much about it other than I prefer KontactMay 15 04:45
the_mad_hatterIt's a part of the Gnome desktop. You install any distro that uses Gnome, you get Evolution.May 15 04:45
twitteryep, I've got it.  never used it.May 15 04:46
twitterwhat's the newsMay 15 04:46
twitter?May 15 04:46
oiaohmHave you not worked out what I am after yet twitter.  I am after the best this requires taking information form different designs.   Seeing where others have made the right and wrong moves are key to see how to improve the overall picture.May 15 04:46
twitterTake it to Ballmer and other places that need a lot of help.May 15 04:46
the_mad_hatterAnyway, I don't like it. It's an Outlook clone, don't like Outlook either. And the damned thing starts anytime it thinks you are trying to click on an email address, so I decided to remove it.May 15 04:47
oiaohmMS debugging and GNU debugging has always been secound rate to solarias.May 15 04:47
the_mad_hatterAdd/Remove programs under Ubuntu won't let you do that, so I went to SynapticMay 15 04:47
oiaohmDifferent section different winner twitter.May 15 04:47
twitterSo what happened?May 15 04:48
the_mad_hatterSynaptic gave me some interesting in a this may take out the entire desktop answers, so I posted in the Ubuntu forumsMay 15 04:48
the_mad_hatterhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7281648#post7281648May 15 04:48
the_mad_hatterHow do you remove EvolutionMay 15 04:48
the_mad_hatterPointing out that it was pretty stupid to link an email client that closely to the desktop.May 15 04:49
the_mad_hatterI now have an Evolution free Ubuntu 9.04May 15 04:49
the_mad_hatterAnd there's an explanation posted there that makes it easy for anyone to do.May 15 04:49
twitterso, did it take out your desktop?May 15 04:49
twitterahMay 15 04:50
the_mad_hatterAfter all, who wants to support Novell?May 15 04:50
twitterhmmm, it might have been better to just associate mail related tasks to other software, like thunderbird or kmailMay 15 04:52
the_mad_hatterI think I'm going to hang around the Gnome forums pushing that idea.May 15 04:52
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twitteremail is an very important part of any system.May 15 04:53
twitterand a graphical client is also important to most users.May 15 04:55
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twitterWhat's strange to me is that the graphical clients don't automatically use system mail.May 15 04:56
twittertypically /var/mail/user is not a default set up in kmail, evolution and other mail clients.  they only look in /home/user/Mail.May 15 04:56
oiaohm_That goes back a long time into history where different distributions put the /var/mail under /spool/mail /usr/share/spool/mail and so on.May 15 04:58
the_mad_hatterActually I compared linking Evolution that closely to the Gnome desktop, to linking Internet Exploder that closely to Windows.May 15 04:58
twittersymlinks are the answer to thatMay 15 04:58
oiaohm_ /home/user/Mail was a dependable location.May 15 04:59
twitterand distributions should have it figured outMay 15 04:59
twittersystem mail is importantMay 15 04:59
oiaohm_Remember I said there is bit rot in the open source code bases.May 15 04:59
oiaohm_This is just another bit of it.May 15 04:59
oiaohm_It works kinda so there is no hurry to fix it.May 15 04:59
twitterOhm, ohm.  This petty problem is nothing compared to the mess that is Winblows + OutlookMay 15 05:00
oiaohm_There are just a lot of them.May 15 05:00
twitterDoes Winblows even have system mail and logging yet?  sheesh.May 15 05:00
twitterWindows has yet to begin to emulate the good things of Unix to the point that they can brag of having small problems some GNU/Linux distributions have.May 15 05:01
oiaohm_Supprisingly it windows does have a system mail.   Even that outlook does not operate it correctly.May 15 05:01
DaemonFCturning off Windows Defender frees 83 megs of RAM :)May 15 05:01
twitterJust another unimplemented VMS thing, eh Ohm?May 15 05:02
DaemonFCXP can run with 64 megs, to Vista that's spare changeMay 15 05:02
DaemonFC:PMay 15 05:02
oiaohm_It implemenet just does not work right.May 15 05:02
the_mad_hatterwindows is so bad, that the words don't exist to describe it.May 15 05:02
oiaohm_About normal for MS.May 15 05:02
DaemonFC83 megsMay 15 05:03
DaemonFCand any decent antivirus detects more spyware than Windows DefenderMay 15 05:03
DaemonFC:)May 15 05:03
oiaohm_twitter: mail management that works is one thing I do give to Linux.May 15 05:04
oiaohm_Exchange/outlook combinatation is the most evil setup for data loss ever dreamed up.May 15 05:05
DaemonFCthat's 83 megs closer to the Swap file for no good reasonMay 15 05:05
DaemonFC:PMay 15 05:05
twitterFC, it's like filling down the points on your bed of nails.May 15 05:06
oiaohm_Of course that does not mean that Linux mail system does not have historic left ovres in them.May 15 05:06
the_mad_hatterWe switched my mother-in-law to XUbuntuMay 15 05:06
twitterBill will just keep pushing new ones into your flesh where you are not looking.May 15 05:06
oiaohm_That should be cleaned up.May 15 05:06
DaemonFCmeh, some Linux software is kind of like "Oh God why?"May 15 05:07
twitterXubuntu, how is it?May 15 05:07
DaemonFClike all those mail clients that depend on atime or relatime on the file systemMay 15 05:07
the_mad_hatterbecause of worries about losing her workMay 15 05:07
DaemonFCto know when to check for mailMay 15 05:07
the_mad_hatterGreat. She's gotten used to it, and has no problemsMay 15 05:07
DaemonFCtwitter: No reason to use XubuntuMay 15 05:07
twitterInteresting, good for her.May 15 05:07
the_mad_hatterIt was extra work making her last DOS and Windows app work <G>May 15 05:07
twitterickMay 15 05:08
the_mad_hatterWhy not use XUbuntu?May 15 05:08
DaemonFCXubuntu uses the same amount of RAMMay 15 05:08
twitterI'd trade just about any distro for Windows.May 15 05:08
DaemonFCand guts way too much usability for what you get in returnMay 15 05:08
twitterYou might get speed out of the bargain.May 15 05:08
DaemonFCnopeMay 15 05:08
DaemonFCI checked both of them outMay 15 05:09
DaemonFCFedora's XFCE spin is the way to go if you want a speedy XFCE environmentMay 15 05:09
DaemonFCUbuntu has turned it into a broken GNOME cloneMay 15 05:09
twitterI know that I've got all but 7 MB of ram used even though I'm using E16, but I get great speed up over Gnome or KDE.May 15 05:09
the_mad_hatterWell, it worked for her, and seemed faster than Ubuntu on her machine (4 years old)May 15 05:10
twitterThe ram was put to use for the apps and E16 is efficientMay 15 05:10
twittercoolMay 15 05:10
twitterit might be.May 15 05:10
twitterI'd leave good enough alone with that machine for now.May 15 05:11
twitterYou can always try out other desktops with Xubuntu by installing them.May 15 05:11
oiaohm_The question is how long before we get a in bios linux that we can add our own applications to.May 15 05:11
DaemonFCor you can get the minimal Ubuntu ISOMay 15 05:12
DaemonFCand build what you need with apt-get :)May 15 05:12
the_mad_hatterYeah. well her internet connection is slow, real slow. She lives way out in the boondocks.May 15 05:12
the_mad_hatterSo a CD was the best option.May 15 05:12
DaemonFCDWM is a pigMay 15 05:14
DaemonFC77 megsMay 15 05:14
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DaemonFCI'm downloading KDE For Windows 4.2.3May 15 05:44
DaemonFChttp://img193.imageshack.us/img193/981/49498341.pngMay 15 05:52
DaemonFCKonqueror on VistaMay 15 05:52
DaemonFC:)May 15 05:52
twitterickMay 15 05:53
twitterjust use linuxMay 15 05:53
mvkfopwkde is better in linuxMay 15 05:53
twitteror be more a part of this than not https://secure.cryptohippie.com/pubs/EPS-2008.pdfMay 15 05:53
mvkfopwin windows it works slowerMay 15 05:53
DaemonFCI'm benchmarking itMay 15 05:53
twittereverything is slower in windows but getting p0wnedMay 15 05:54
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twitterkonq is missing system, one of my favorite links, in it's start up.  see if system:/ worksMay 15 05:55
twitteryou might also see if audiocd:/ worksMay 15 05:56
DaemonFCoh my godMay 15 05:57
DaemonFCeven Konqueror on Windows is faster than IEMay 15 05:57
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DaemonFChttp://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7972/91114397.pngMay 15 05:58
twitterha haMay 15 06:01
twitterIE is a pigMay 15 06:01
twitterThe Lancet skewers Gates Foundation Medical spending http://www.hindu.com/2009/05/10/stories/2009051055151000.htmMay 15 06:02
twitterI wonder if they know about all the newspapers that the foundation bought.May 15 06:03
DaemonFChttp://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/surprise-the-fastest-browser-on-windows-is-in-fact/May 15 06:04
DaemonFC"Yes, even the unoptimized port of Konqueror had its wicked way with Microsoft’s latest browser. :)"May 15 06:04
twitter-> “Gates Foundation is not a passive donor,” observes the paper.  “The Foundation actively engages in policy making and agenda setting activities; it has representatives that sit on the governing structures of many global health partnerships; it is part of a self-appointed group of global health leaders known as the H8 [that includes the WHO, UNICEF, GAVI and the World Bank]… and has been involved in setting the health agenMay 15 06:05
twitterKonq is a nice browser.  Pity to weigh it down with a crappy OS that does not do time, mail and other things right yet.May 15 06:06
twitterusers, permissions, package management, sane paths, reasonable virtual desktops, networking, or just about anything.May 15 06:07
twitterLest you think copyright is required for art, behold the world's oldest human art objects.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_SchelklingenMay 15 06:11
twitterporn and music from 40,000 years ago.May 15 06:11
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twitter-> "[the figurine]  would have taken "tens if not hundreds of hours" to carve."May 15 06:12
twitterbut, but, without restrictions there will be no profits or art, drool.May 15 06:12
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mvkfopwkonq is not too good at javascriptMay 15 06:29
DaemonFChttp://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/surprise-the-fastest-browser-on-windows-is-in-fact/May 15 06:39
*DaemonFC tweaked the page a bit :PMay 15 06:39
DaemonFCIE 8 doesn't even make the Top 10 list for fastest browsers on Windows :)May 15 06:40
DaemonFCI got a lot of my music collection in WMAMay 15 06:41
DaemonFCcause it was all free :)May 15 06:41
DaemonFCMicrosoft was trying to push a subscription WMA service called URGE around the time Vista was launched, so they were giving out 2 week trials like PEZMay 15 06:42
DaemonFCand it was around that time that Fairuse4WM surfacedMay 15 06:42
DaemonFClolMay 15 06:42
DaemonFCnot only was I getting thousands of free songs, Microsoft and the RIAA were footing the bandwidth and catalogingMay 15 06:43
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DaemonFChttp://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Microsoft-Windows-7-to-Update-with-Fake-Patches-332777/May 15 07:06
DaemonFClmaoMay 15 07:06
DaemonFCat least that hasn't changedMay 15 07:06
twitterkonq is just fine with javascript that's reasonable.  not having a bunch of workarounds for broken M$ shit is one of the reasons konq is not a pig.May 15 07:19
DaemonFCI just found that funny that it's faster than IE 8May 15 07:28
DaemonFCgiven that it's not even really meant for WindowsMay 15 07:29
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DaemonFChttp://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/05/researchers_hij.htmlMay 15 07:35
DaemonFCThe researchers were too afraid to disinfect the 182,000 infected Windows machines for fear that it could cause them to failMay 15 07:41
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schestowitzDaemonFC: the Obama admin uses comedy and bashing I see.... very tastelessMay 15 08:23
schestowitzRunning an empire is no theatreMay 15 08:23
DaemonFCI think Wanda Sykes is pretty funnyMay 15 08:23
DaemonFCbesides, Bush ran these "press correspondence dinners" all the timeMay 15 08:23
DaemonFCof course he also ended up getting roasted by Steven ColbertMay 15 08:24
DaemonFC:)May 15 08:24
DaemonFCwhich was mildly hilariousMay 15 08:24
DaemonFChttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-869183917758574879May 15 08:25
schestowitzWhat's this about? http://www.odfalliance.org/blog/index.php/site/odf_alliance_award_citations/May 15 08:36
schestowitzI thought they had given the prize to where it belongs.May 15 08:36
schestowitzBTW, BN server is still not behaving. Heavy load, but maybe DDOSMay 15 08:36
schestowitzPossibly a different account on the same serverMay 15 08:37
DaemonFCschestowitz: IE 5 for UNIX still runs on OpenSolarisMay 15 08:38
DaemonFC:DMay 15 08:38
schestowitzI'm blocking some IPs nowMay 15 08:46
schestowitz10k pages in one day from one IP is not normalMay 15 08:46
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schestowitzIt was like 44k pages in 21 hours, by awstatsMay 15 08:46
schestowitzDaemonFC: I don't know when it was down/up while I was asleep but I only got an E-mail now, so maybe it workedsporadically beforeMay 15 08:47
schestowitz"Server Load  61.11 (4 cpus)"May 15 08:49
schestowitzThis stinksMay 15 08:49
schestowitzI can hardly analyse usageMay 15 08:50
schestowitzSo I don't know what hammersMay 15 08:50
DaemonFCare you being DDoSed?May 15 08:51
schestowitzMaybeMay 15 08:51
schestowitzUnless it's real traffic, obviouslyMay 15 08:51
schestowitzhttp://lwn.net/Articles/330684/ < Can you hear me now? >May 15 08:51
DaemonFChow would that much legitimate traffic just happen all of a sudden?May 15 08:51
schestowitzOh waitMay 15 08:52
schestowitzMaybe the WikiMay 15 08:52
schestowitzI can't quite compare to see if it's the Wiki that takes the heavy loadMay 15 08:52
schestowitzMaybe it's really distributed, so no IP block would resolve iotMay 15 08:53
schestowitzServer Load  103.85 (4 cpus)May 15 08:54
schestowitzIn phomyadmin is it possible to just see load per short perdiod of recent time?May 15 08:54
schestowitzIt just shows average over a long timeMay 15 08:54
schestowitz"This MySQL server has been running for 43 days, 23 hours, 5 minutes and 58 seconds. It started up on Apr 01, 2009 at 05:02 AM. "May 15 08:55
schestowitzSo the server was never rebooted or anything.May 15 08:55
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KmeleonMay 15 08:56
DaemonFCI'm benchmarking this tooMay 15 08:56
DaemonFCI remember I used to use it on my Windows 98 boxMay 15 08:57
DaemonFCI had a set of tools to strip all the crap out of Windows 98, use the Windows 95 OSR 2 Explorer shellMay 15 08:58
DaemonFCI got a full Windows 98 install down to 97 megsMay 15 08:58
schestowitzFor reasons I am unable to figure out, basically for the past 8 hours or so load has been very high and the server not responsive. I didn't change anything and I even wonder if there is a DDOS attack, not just a server malfunction.May 15 08:58
schestowitzThis is annoyingMay 15 08:58
DaemonFCjust by taking out IE, Outlook, and Media Player, few other thingsMay 15 08:58
schestowitzBut it has worked flawlessly for a long time, so I can't complainMay 15 08:58
DaemonFCwellMay 15 08:58
DaemonFC*shrugs*May 15 08:59
DaemonFCthe last server of any kind I had ran Windows 2000May 15 08:59
schestowitzCloud computing with Linux thin clients < http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-thin-client-cloud/index.html >May 15 08:59
DaemonFCand I also have an OpenNap serverMay 15 08:59
DaemonFCrunning Windows 98May 15 08:59
schestowitz"Server Load  52.49 (4 cpus)"May 15 09:00
DaemonFCWindows 2000 and 2003 don't make bad servers actuallyMay 15 09:00
schestowitzWow. It has.... 'improved'May 15 09:00
DaemonFCthey're just expensive as all hellMay 15 09:00
DaemonFCOUCHMay 15 09:01
DaemonFCKMeleon scored lower than IE 8May 15 09:01
DaemonFChttp://service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/results.action?key=1GICMay 15 09:01
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schestowitzIt uses swap for some reasonMay 15 09:03
schestowitzI wonder if that's part of the causeMay 15 09:03
DaemonFC?May 15 09:03
DaemonFCit's also getting murdered on SunspiderMay 15 09:04
DaemonFCthey botched thisMay 15 09:04
DaemonFCoh yeahMay 15 09:05
DaemonFCbotched it badMay 15 09:05
DaemonFCTotal:                 10572.8ms +/- 0.6%May 15 09:05
schestowitzNovell all about Mono....... http://www.jprl.com/Blog/archive/development/mono/2009/May-14.htmlMay 15 09:06
schestowitz"15.4 million homeowners now owe more on their houses than their houses are worth, up from 13.6 million four months ago." http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-everythings-going-to-zero-2-2009-5May 15 09:08
DaemonFCyeah, the banks pump you broke, throw you out, and go victimize the next personMay 15 09:11
DaemonFC:)May 15 09:11
schestowitzBut it's comedy at the White HouseMay 15 09:12
schestowitzWhat was it with her joke about hijacking planes?May 15 09:13
schestowitzSome guy says there is a need for failureMay 15 09:13
schestowitzHe is right. This is how recovery startsMay 15 09:13
schestowitzRealisation at the leastMay 15 09:13
DaemonFCcomparing Rush Limbaugh with the TalibanMay 15 09:13
schestowitzOthers say the sameMay 15 09:13
schestowitzLike Ron Paul evenMay 15 09:13
DaemonFChe is pretty much like themMay 15 09:13
schestowitzShould he too be waterboardedMay 15 09:13
DaemonFCI don't know how things work where you areMay 15 09:13
schestowitzEven the audience found it tastelessMay 15 09:14
DaemonFCbut here there's a far right fascist element of ChristiansMay 15 09:14
DaemonFCnot all of themMay 15 09:14
DaemonFCbut there are quite a fewMay 15 09:14
DaemonFCand very vocalMay 15 09:14
DaemonFCand they practically are the American TalibanMay 15 09:14
schestowitzSony reports $1 billion annual loss < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10240672-93.html > Same with Sun BTWMay 15 09:15
schestowitz"Server Load  28.91 (4 cpus)"May 15 09:15
schestowitzDaemonFC: yes, I knowMay 15 09:15
schestowitzIt's worse when they expand and bring it to other countriesMay 15 09:15
schestowitzDid you hear about the troops in Afghanistan trying to convert locals to CHristians?May 15 09:16
schestowitzCrusadersMay 15 09:16
DaemonFCyeahMay 15 09:16
DaemonFCI saw thatMay 15 09:16
DaemonFCdisgustingMay 15 09:16
schestowitzI think it's just "embarrassing"May 15 09:17
schestowitzLinuxCertified Announces its next Linux System and Network Administration BootCamp.  http://www.linuxpr.com/releases/11382.htmlMay 15 09:17
schestowitzStrage thing is this:May 15 09:19
DaemonFChmmmmMay 15 09:19
schestowitzMemory Used35.6 %May 15 09:19
schestowitzSwap Used25.23 %May 15 09:19
DaemonFCSeamonkey is slower than Firefox tooMay 15 09:19
schestowitzWhy use swap if RAM is hardly used?May 15 09:19
schestowitzMaybe a bad server state requiring a reboot?May 15 09:19
DaemonFCwhat operating system?May 15 09:19
schestowitzRed HatMay 15 09:19
schestowitzChina builds its Unix-compliant OS: http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2009/05/analyst-cyberwarfare-arms-race-with-china-imminent.arsMay 15 09:21
DaemonFCschestowitz: vm.swappiness=0May 15 09:21
DaemonFCin /etc/sysctl.confMay 15 09:21
DaemonFCthat would make it permanentMay 15 09:21
DaemonFCbut to have it do it just for now tryMay 15 09:21
DaemonFCsu -c sysctl vm.swappiness=0May 15 09:22
DaemonFCerrrMay 15 09:22
DaemonFCsu -c 'sysctl vm.swappiness=0'May 15 09:22
schestowitzI have no such accessMay 15 09:22
schestowitzNo hands-onMay 15 09:22
DaemonFCno root access?May 15 09:22
schestowitzKatherine Noyes fixed her headline: "The Great Debate Over a Linux Standard Package Format"May 15 09:23
DaemonFChttp://service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/results.action?key=1GICMay 15 09:23
DaemonFCouchMay 15 09:23
schestowitzIt used to say packet format. I wrote about it in IRCMay 15 09:23
DaemonFCcheck out SeaMonkey 1.1.16May 15 09:23
schestowitzServer maybe rebooted?May 15 09:25
schestowitzLet's see..May 15 09:25
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schestowitzAnother ebook reader runs Linux: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/05/cool-er-e-book-reader-turns-up-the-heat/May 15 09:27
schestowitz"This Account is Experiencing Technical Difficulties"May 15 09:28
schestowitzOK, they are looking at itMay 15 09:28
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zer0c00lschestowitz, server down?May 15 09:28
schestowitz"May 15 09:28
schestowitzSorry for the inconvenience, we have to find a bigger server, no ETA yet. "May 15 09:28
schestowitzzer0c00l: yes, for nowMay 15 09:28
zer0c00lsaw some database connectivity 2 hrs agoMay 15 09:28
zer0c00lnow its completely downMay 15 09:28
schestowitzMaybe DDOSMay 15 09:28
zer0c00lohMay 15 09:29
zer0c00lwho is doing that any guesses ?May 15 09:29
schestowitzNo Estimated time of arrival yetMay 15 09:29
schestowitzzer0c00l: no ideaMay 15 09:29
schestowitzI don't even know if it's DDOSMay 15 09:29
zer0c00lohMay 15 09:30
zer0c00lping DaemonFCMay 15 09:31
zer0c00lDaemonFC, saw your blogMay 15 09:31
zer0c00lits niceMay 15 09:32
zer0c00lnice posts about browsersMay 15 09:32
zer0c00lwill use them as referencesMay 15 09:32
DaemonFChttp://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1107/87296945.pngMay 15 09:35
DaemonFChehMay 15 09:35
schestowitzOK, account is back upMay 15 09:38
schestowitzIt's not behaving rightMay 15 09:39
schestowitzOffline againMay 15 09:41
schestowitzhttp://home.arcor.de/ecthelion_ii/nullmeier_en.html "Secondly, a computer programs is, as far as digital calculation is concerned, just a possible incarnation of a number of logical formulas. The patentability of logical circuits implementing such formulas is established, however. Patents claiming essentially logical formulas are thus of a limited applicability. This is not contradictory, for their malleability confers qualities toMay 15 09:41
schestowitz computer programs that logical circuits lack."May 15 09:41
schestowitzJust a little more information in case it helps: May 15 09:48
schestowitzI notice that the account has been on- and off-line for  some moments.  In case it helps, I noticed that the swap was used (like 33% despite the fact that only about 40% of RAM was used).May 15 09:48
schestowitzI hope it's resolved soon. It's a real waste of time when it happens.May 15 09:48
schestowitzHaving looked at my logs over the night, it doesn't seem as though there was any suspicious activity, but maybe there was DDOS. The account usually keeps a low load by caching. *sign*..May 15 09:49
DaemonFChmmmMay 15 09:54
DaemonFCFirefox 3.5 crashedMay 15 09:54
DaemonFCasking me to send a reportMay 15 09:55
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schestowitzIs the netbook fad set to fizzle? < http://tech.blorge.com/Structure: /2009/05/14/is-the-netbook-fad-set-to-fizzle/ >May 15 10:03
DaemonFCNetbooks are really considered to be a disposable cheap laptopMay 15 10:06
DaemonFCso I think they'll have a niche if nothing elseMay 15 10:06
DaemonFCschestowitz: http://bfilter.sourceforge.net/May 15 10:19
DaemonFCwhat do you make of this?May 15 10:19
DaemonFC"I decided to write a proxy that would detect ads heuristically, much like modern anti-virus software manages to detect many viruses unknown to it."May 15 10:20
schestowitzNovell committed a crime... Carl Novell http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/05/man_sought_for_armed_robbery_i.htmlMay 15 10:22
schestowitzDaemonFC: what I use now already works fineMay 15 10:22
schestowitzYou can also have something which users can contribute to, like a blacklist with moderationMay 15 10:23
schestowitzCrime over there (and everywhere) will riseMay 15 10:23
schestowitzIt's truly amazing that so many families are in debt even if they sell all their properlyMay 15 10:23
schestowitzit makes them runaways of banksMay 15 10:24
DaemonFChmmmMay 15 10:24
DaemonFCdefinitely faster than PrivoxyMay 15 10:24
DaemonFCthat's awesomeMay 15 10:25
DaemonFCa heuristic ad filterMay 15 10:26
DaemonFC:)May 15 10:26
schestowitzBad publicity for Novell: http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/wwl051309mlarmed.2095eda9.htmlMay 15 10:26
schestowitzHopefully I'll get server information soon so we can bring it up online with less loadMay 15 10:26
DaemonFCgod, I have so many anti-whatever utilities it's like a fortressMay 15 10:29
DaemonFCit's an arms race :PMay 15 10:29
DaemonFCyou get an ad blocker, they make sneakier ads, you get a smarter ad blocker, they get sneakier ads that are far more annoyingMay 15 10:30
schestowitzJust illusion of securityMay 15 10:30
schestowitzMore code running may actually make up more vulnsMay 15 10:30
DaemonFCI'm not exactly sure why there's any technical reason a virus couldn't operate on Linux or Mac much the same wayMay 15 10:32
DaemonFCvirus scanners typically try to analyze what the program would do were it actually to runMay 15 10:34
DaemonFCand make their decision on thatMay 15 10:34
DaemonFCthe problem is that odd runtime compressions for legitimate programs tend to make them go apeshitMay 15 10:35
DaemonFCa lot of them will even delete the file to stop you from running itMay 15 10:35
DaemonFC:)May 15 10:35
DaemonFCschestowitz: What's funny is that Microsoft has the highest false negative rate among themMay 15 10:36
DaemonFCtheir Onecare productMay 15 10:36
DaemonFCtypically what I do if I feel I have reason to suspect a file is I scan it locally, then I upload it to virustotal or something and let a few dozen other scanners pick it apartMay 15 10:37
DaemonFCif you let 50 scanners scan a legitimate file with funky runtime compression, at least 5-10 of them are going to tell you it's infected with something like "trojan.generic"May 15 10:38
schestowitzMicrosoft just bought a companyMay 15 10:38
schestowitzFor WanKer (OneCare)May 15 10:38
schestowitzBad company it boughtMay 15 10:38
DaemonFCschestowitz: Giant Antispyware was apparently prety good before Microsoft bought themMay 15 10:39
DaemonFCand turned it into Windows DefenderMay 15 10:39
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schestowitzRecession and Strong Yen Drive Sony to Annual Loss http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/business/global/15sony.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rssMay 15 10:45
schestowitz “Us Now” documentary available free online  < http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2009/05/14/us-now-documentary-available-free-online/ >May 15 10:48
DaemonFCI have slightly more contempt for Sony than I do for MicrosoftMay 15 10:49
DaemonFCI thought it was pretty fucking hilarious when Sony released that DRM rootkit piece of shitMay 15 10:49
DaemonFCand then Microsoft had to give Windows Defender a signature to yank it back outMay 15 10:49
DaemonFC:)May 15 10:49
DaemonFCI was thinking "Go Microsoft!" "Did I just say that?"May 15 10:50
DaemonFChttp://news.cnet.com/Microsoft-will-wipe-Sonys-rootkit/2100-1002_3-5949041.htmlMay 15 10:50
DaemonFCB-)May 15 10:50
DaemonFCschestowitz: I never buy any CD that has the Sony BMG logo on itMay 15 10:55
DaemonFCjust becuase of thatMay 15 10:55
DaemonFCschestowitz: I also always turn off autoplay on every Windows machine I useMay 15 10:58
DaemonFCthat's just retardedMay 15 10:58
DaemonFCDVD movies in particular like to try to run spywareMay 15 10:58
DaemonFCyou're begging for an infestation of some kind by leaving it onMay 15 11:00
schestowitzBlind man dragged off plane in Philadelphia, accused of faking < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/13/blind-man-dragged-of.html >. What have we sunk to?May 15 11:03
schestowitzDaemonFC: or just don't use WindowsMay 15 11:04
schestowitzOf ATMs, iPhones… and 9/11? < http://iamshane.com/2009/05/09/of-atms-iphones-and-911/ >May 15 11:04
DaemonFCschestowitz: When they start using terms like "Enhanced Content"May 15 11:04
DaemonFCyou know that's their code word for privacy invading shit that's worse than cancerMay 15 11:05
DaemonFC:)May 15 11:05
DaemonFCwell, it used to be much much easier for things to piggyback in, and set themselves up to where if you removed them, it would destroy your TCP/IP stack or something (WebHancer and New.Net for example)May 15 11:06
DaemonFCWindows Defender and System File Protection at least block most of thatMay 15 11:07
schestowitzBono says he’ll sue France over HADOPI http://www.p2pnet.net/story/21764May 15 11:08
schestowitzRealNetworks: MPAA Is ‘Price-Fixing Cartel’ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/realnetworks-mpaa-is-a-price-fixing-cartel/May 15 11:08
schestowitzAll from ysterdayMay 15 11:08
schestowitzThere's lots moreMay 15 11:09
DaemonFCI hate U2May 15 11:09
DaemonFCgod those assholes are so phoneyMay 15 11:09
schestowitzFilm industry turns up P2P heat on Carter http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/12/film_filesharing/May 15 11:09
schestowitzhttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090508/2306454808.shtml "May 15 11:09
schestowitzThe obvious answer was posited years ago by Eric S. Raymond - given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow."May 15 11:09
schestowitzWait, isn't this a Linus quote?May 15 11:10
DaemonFCyeah it wasMay 15 11:10
schestowitzDid he quote him in the book?May 15 11:10
schestowitzSony Says It Should Have Been More Open... But It Said That In 2005 Too < http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090511/1824234837.shtml >May 15 11:11
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DaemonFChttp://www.cexx.org/webhancer.htmMay 15 11:11
schestowitzhttp://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/951_signs.jpgMay 15 11:11
mib_jwghi5Shame your site is downMay 15 11:12
schestowitzYeahMay 15 11:12
schestowitzLoad issuesMay 15 11:12
schestowitzI hope it was just DDOS, maybe on the WikiMay 15 11:13
schestowitzIn which case we won't have to move to another bigger server, which is expensiveMay 15 11:13
mib_jwghi5Hope so.  Sorry to hear it though.May 15 11:13
DaemonFCKen Kutaragi was a decent guy I think, ultimately he got too loud and the board of directors forced him outMay 15 11:13
mib_jwghi5I'll lurk here for a while until the site is back up.May 15 11:14
DaemonFCI mean, Kutaragi is pretty much responsible for every success the company hadMay 15 11:14
DaemonFCincluding the PlaystationMay 15 11:14
schestowitzHP hit by laptop recall < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/15/hp_battery_recall/ >May 15 11:14
DaemonFCthen they go and do that to himMay 15 11:14
schestowitzmib_jwghi5: ok, hopefully it won't take longMay 15 11:14
DaemonFCyou almost have to feel sorry for the guyMay 15 11:14
schestowitzI have posts I want to make. Quite a lot.May 15 11:14
schestowitzDaemonFC: naaa.. he's got cashMay 15 11:15
mib_jwghi5Yeah I get great information from the site.  Educational.May 15 11:15
schestowitzYou have many other people to feel sorry for.May 15 11:15
schestowitzmib_jwghi5: thanks.May 15 11:15
DaemonFCwhat they need to do is apologize to him, ask him to come back, and get out of the wayMay 15 11:15
mib_jwghi5well gotta run.May 15 11:15
schestowitzLast night I saw the site at 44k pages in 21 hoursMay 15 11:15
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schestowitzSo I knew something was wrongMay 15 11:15
DaemonFCwell, I think Sony is a lot like Apple in this caseMay 15 11:16
DaemonFCwhere only one person can seem to make it work well :)May 15 11:16
DaemonFCyou know what will happen to Apple without Steve JobsMay 15 11:16
DaemonFCOS X is a pretty decent system, owing mostly to NextStep, but I'm pretty sure they bought Next more to get Jobs back than to get NextMay 15 11:18
DaemonFClmao @ ATRACMay 15 11:19
DaemonFClike that was ever going anywhereMay 15 11:19
schestowitzIs IMAX the next "New Coke"? < http://www.lfexaminer.com/20081016.htm >May 15 11:19
DaemonFCATRAC's problem is that it's trying to compete in a market of competitors that are all free, higher quality, or bothMay 15 11:20
DaemonFCthe market for digital audio encoding is pretty well floodedMay 15 11:21
DaemonFCpeople using AAC and WMA are the same people that use RAR and PDFMay 15 11:22
DaemonFCpisses me off to no end to find files in those formatsMay 15 11:22
schestowitzhehe. gotta cherish the Big Brother. Court tosses case over GPS tracking  < http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=799375 >May 15 11:23
schestowitzDaemonFC: what former then?May 15 11:23
schestowitzThe solution is probably to share moreMay 15 11:23
DaemonFCI use FLAC and Vorbis for audioMay 15 11:23
schestowitzEach company has its "medicine"May 15 11:23
schestowitzFor which it chanrgesMay 15 11:23
DaemonFCthey're just better regardless of licensingMay 15 11:24
DaemonFCWMA sounds so distorted it's not even funnyMay 15 11:24
schestowitzDo we really need a cybersecurity czar? < http://threatpost.com/blogs/do-we-really-need-cybersecurity-czar >May 15 11:24
DaemonFCI don't know who thinks that sounds CD qualityMay 15 11:25
schestowitzczarMay 15 11:25
schestowitzSounds like fascism to meMay 15 11:25
DaemonFCthey must have had both eardrums blown outMay 15 11:25
schestowitzI don't care much about sound qualityMay 15 11:25
DaemonFCheh, always remember your first MP3 :)May 15 11:26
DaemonFC(Napster...1999) :PMay 15 11:26
schestowitzIEA: Little gadgets consume gigawatts of power < http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10240088-54.html >May 15 11:26
schestowitzI think we're basically screwedMay 15 11:26
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schestowitzJust burning fossial fuel at huge rates, going to other countries to get what's left and killing all animals except pets and those harvested for meat and milkMay 15 11:27
schestowitz*fossilMay 15 11:27
oiaohmHmm I cannot get to the boycott novel set schestowitzMay 15 11:27
schestowitzThe only solution is probably a much, much small colonyMay 15 11:27
oiaohmMessage about techical problems.May 15 11:27
schestowitzoiaohm: yes heavy loadMay 15 11:27
oiaohmset/siteMay 15 11:27
schestowitzWe have a lot of page requests last nightMay 15 11:27
schestowitzLoad was like average 6-100May 15 11:27
schestowitz*60May 15 11:28
schestowitzSo maybe it was DDOS. I don't knowMay 15 11:28
schestowitzI last checked like 8 hours ago, but could find a patternMay 15 11:28
schestowitzI blocked some IPs that hammer heavilyMay 15 11:28
schestowitzDidn't help muchMay 15 11:28
oiaohmIf its a modern day bot net hammer there will not be a pattern.May 15 11:28
oiaohmBut thoses are rare.May 15 11:29
schestowitzYes, I knowMay 15 11:29
schestowitzI couldn't find one page that's requested a lotMay 15 11:29
schestowitzI couldn't find evidence of a referrerMay 15 11:29
schestowitzLike Digg or anythingMay 15 11:29
oiaohmThat does not even sound right.May 15 11:29
schestowitzSo there was a very high page requests count, but nothing I could see which explains itMay 15 11:30
oiaohmNormally entry zone of site has the highest hit.May 15 11:30
oiaohmlike www.boycottnovell.com or digg pointed location.May 15 11:30
oiaohmI guess its even not short listing to 10 pages schestowitzMay 15 11:31
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Omar87Hello everyone.May 15 11:31
DaemonFCit's Microsoft with 100 billion Windows devicesMay 15 11:31
DaemonFC:)May 15 11:32
Omar87Is it just me? Or is BN down at the moment?May 15 11:32
DaemonFCyepMay 15 11:32
DaemonFCit's downMay 15 11:32
oiaohmReason why I say 10 schestowitz is that you have a lot of links listed on like linux today and the like at moment.May 15 11:32
Omar87It's down, huh?May 15 11:32
schestowitzI have reasons for suspicion it was DDOS on the WikiMay 15 11:33
schestowitzoiaohm: I couldn't find such connection to referrersMay 15 11:33
schestowitzOmar87: yesMay 15 11:33
schestowitzMaybe for a while.May 15 11:33
oiaohmSo from what you are describing is more and more sounding like a modern day bot net attack.May 15 11:34
oiaohmOne thing that is a key signature is lack of travel by attackers.May 15 11:35
schestowitzI have no other explanationMay 15 11:35
oiaohmIe they go to pages with no way to know they are there in advance.May 15 11:35
schestowitzI wait for the diagnosisMay 15 11:36
oiaohmSometimes you can see 1 page access then all its linked access by a stack of different machines.May 15 11:36
oiaohmThat would be confirmed signature of a bot net.May 15 11:37
oiaohmhttp://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/120387/  << I agree with the idea there will not exactly be a year of the Linux Desktop.May 15 11:37
schestowitzDeveloper Population Affected By Economy  < http://www.informationweek.com/news/global-cio/trends/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=217300236 > developer population to decline 35%?May 15 11:38
DaemonFCoh hehMay 15 11:38
DaemonFCmy probation ended 3 days ago and I didn't even think about thatMay 15 11:38
schestowitzNot good, eh?May 15 11:38
schestowitzProbation?May 15 11:39
DaemonFCyeah, long storyMay 15 11:39
DaemonFCbut I'm going to the bar when I get that huge checkMay 15 11:39
DaemonFC:PMay 15 11:39
DaemonFCit's been a yearMay 15 11:39
DaemonFCyeah for the last year I couldn't leave the state or drink anything alcoholicMay 15 11:40
DaemonFC:)May 15 11:40
DaemonFCtechnicallyMay 15 11:41
DaemonFCit was unsupervised which basically means you're in trouble if they catch you doing something elseMay 15 11:41
DaemonFCbut it also meant they could come into my house without a warrantMay 15 11:42
DaemonFCand if I didn't let them in I could go to jailMay 15 11:42
schestowitzVancouver set to back open source: http://www.straight.com/article-220944/city-vancouver-set-back-open-source-open-standards-open-dataMay 15 11:43
schestowitzGood stuff: http://slashdot.org/submission/1001243/Vancouver-Opens-up-data-and-adopts-Open-Source http://eaves.ca/2009/05/14/vancouver-enters-the-age-of-the-open-city/May 15 11:44
schestowitzBorderline FOSS FUD... http://www.industryweek.com/articles/ensuring_ip_cleanliness_--_a_necessity_for_all_software_intensive_products_19132.aspx?SectionID=2May 15 11:47
schestowitz"One such case was Cisco, who acquired Linksys in good faith and proceeded to distribute their products. Alas, Linksys had used a chip from a supplier who had used some outsource contractors to develop associated software. These sub-sub-contractors had used a piece of open source software that had a GPL license, which obliges the user to make whatever derivative software available as an open source item under that same GPL license."May 15 11:47
schestowitzWhy did the SFLC drop the suit?May 15 11:47
oiaohmBecause Cisco come into alignment.May 15 11:51
oiaohmSFLC only sues companies over source code breaches where they don't provide the source code also with a requirement to audit for any more errors and release what is found.May 15 11:53
oiaohmBasically SFLC does not go out to do harm only to make sure the rules are obeyed.May 15 11:54
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oiaohmAlso pushing threw to court when they have come into alighnment is risky.    Nothing in GPL licence says when the source code has to be released compared to the binaries.May 15 11:55
oiaohmOnly that it has to be released when requested.May 15 11:55
oiaohmhttp://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Google-vs-Gumblar-Search-Engine-Abused-in-New-Round-of-Stealthy-Attacks-664608/  Interesting.May 15 12:00
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schestowitzIn hindsight, and after consultation with you,  it seems possible that there was a DDOS on the Wiki. I'm not sure...May 15 12:01
oiaohmIts extreamly hard to prove schestowitz.May 15 12:03
schestowitzoiaohm: any relation to the Google-AT&T situation? I haven't looked yetMay 15 12:03
schestowitzoiaohm: let's wait and find outMay 15 12:03
oiaohmGumblar is a worm virus that goes out of its way to get the machine even more infected.May 15 12:04
schestowitz"So far, the malware has been targeting Internet Explorer. As a result of the hackers' tactics, the gumblar.cn compromises are increasing—up 188 percent from the week of May 4 and 61 percent from May 13, according to ScanSafe. "May 15 12:04
schestowitzSomething different altogether thenMay 15 12:04
DaemonFChttp://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/1769/software-piracy-on-the-rise/May 15 12:04
DaemonFChehMay 15 12:04
schestowitzIt's wrongMay 15 12:04
schestowitzit's declining some dayMay 15 12:04
schestowitz*sayMay 15 12:04
schestowitzJust propagandaMay 15 12:04
DaemonFCI like the "We lost a hundred bazillion dollars" partMay 15 12:06
DaemonFClike they had actually lost anythingMay 15 12:06
DaemonFC:PMay 15 12:06
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oiaohmMedia is reporting on bot net builter actions but they are not calling it that schestowitz.May 15 12:08
oiaohmIts interesting that this kind of activity is starting to get any media coverage.May 15 12:09
schestowitznew Elive is released: http://www.elivecd.org/Main/News/elive-development-1.9.27-compiz-compiz-releasedMay 15 12:10
schestowitzoiaohm: any links?May 15 12:10
schestowitzIf other sites suffer from issues, then it might help diagnosisMay 15 12:10
schestowitzLike the time phpbb got massively exploited.May 15 12:11
taconeschestowitz: saw my post ?May 15 12:11
taconeuh, boycottnovell downMay 15 12:12
tacone"Sorry for the inconvenience, we have to find a bigger server, no ETA yet. "May 15 12:12
oiaohmCurrent round of bot/builder attacks are not reallly against any particular engine schestowitz.   They even have different signatures.  Most key thing is to make sure your site has not got infected like Gumblar.cn and targeted that way.May 15 12:12
oiaohmhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_910_alpha1&num=1  Expect to see more and more distributions faster than the last.May 15 12:13
schestowitzI see now...May 15 12:15
schestowitzSo you're suggesting that maybe not page-serving was the cause for load. But I doubt it as the host would see such a thingMay 15 12:15
oiaohmGumbar.cn case they are getting attacks uploaded into there site then google posting to direct users there.May 15 12:16
oiaohmIts just one of the more evil things that can happen to a site.May 15 12:17
schestowitzYes, but it's a password/FTP issue, from what I gathered quicklyMay 15 12:17
schestowitzMaybe I'll go for a few hours and come back laterMay 15 12:17
oiaohmSimpler plan could be attempted agianst a wiki.May 15 12:17
oiaohmAttackers are creative schestowitzMay 15 12:18
schestowitzI see what you mean.May 15 12:19
schestowitzI just think there was high Wiki activityMay 15 12:19
schestowitzI only guess based on what I saw in AWstatsMay 15 12:19
schestowitzMant page requests to the Wiki index.phpMay 15 12:19
schestowitz*ManyMay 15 12:19
schestowitzIf that's the case, then I can isolate it and bring the site back while analysing, but that assumes something which isn't just DDOSMay 15 12:20
oiaohmProblem with these things you cannot assume very much.May 15 12:21
oiaohmYou have to check and rule out everything.May 15 12:21
oiaohmDDOS and being used to build a bot net have basically the same effect on load.May 15 12:22
DaemonFChmm, that's what we needMay 15 12:22
DaemonFCPresident Jesse VenturaMay 15 12:22
DaemonFCand Vice President Ron PaulMay 15 12:22
DaemonFCB-)May 15 12:22
schestowitzbblMay 15 12:23
oiaohmSome days I wish there was a magically bow that I could fire a arrow to kill the person attacking the server.May 15 12:25
schestowitzThe US admin wants to bomb themMay 15 12:25
schestowitzIn case they can't figure out anything else to doMay 15 12:25
schestowitzCut the throat rather than the Internet wiresMay 15 12:26
schestowitzOh, how wired we've all become :-)May 15 12:26
DaemonFCjust shank themMay 15 12:26
DaemonFC:PMay 15 12:26
*DaemonFC wonders how he ended up on Windows Live Messenger and Windows Live Mail and XBOX LiveMay 15 12:28
schestowitzbblMay 15 12:31
DaemonFChttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337848,00.htmlMay 15 12:33
DaemonFCElectronic Gadgets Often Full of Computer VirusesMay 15 12:33
oiaohmFun would be move there home into the middle of Metal Storm ADWS (Area Denial Weapons System).   There is a safe path out but you don't tell them.   Make very wrong reality TV.May 15 12:34
DaemonFChehMay 15 12:40
DaemonFCthe Chernobyl virusMay 15 12:40
DaemonFCI actually almost installed that oneMay 15 12:40
DaemonFCmy antivirus caught it thoughMay 15 12:40
DaemonFCEB Games had a game demo disc that was infectedMay 15 12:41
DaemonFChehMay 15 12:50
DaemonFCsomeone was remarking about why there had never been any Mac boot sector virusesMay 15 12:50
oiaohmThere has been.May 15 12:50
oiaohmJust extreamly rare.May 15 12:50
DaemonFChow would there be when they've gone through 3 different CPU architectures, two different OS codebases not counting the port t oX86May 15 12:51
DaemonFCand the fact that the Intel Macs don't use a BIOSMay 15 12:51
DaemonFCit's hard enough for legitimate software to keep up with a MacMay 15 12:51
oiaohmHardware changes killed them out.May 15 12:51
DaemonFCthis Windows XP Mode in Windows 7 promises to be the next Classic-style ghettoMay 15 12:52
DaemonFClike Mac Classic applications on OS XMay 15 12:52
oiaohmWindows XP mode opens up something.May 15 12:52
DaemonFCwell, the virus would still be contained in the virtual machine right?May 15 12:53
DaemonFCthat's something at leastMay 15 12:53
DaemonFCwhat I want to know is what exactly have they changed in Windows 7 that makes it less XP compatibleMay 15 12:53
DaemonFCcause everything I've tried works OKMay 15 12:53
oiaohmphoenix bios is looking at Linux in bios loading windows up.May 15 12:54
oiaohmUsing the hypervisor cpu bits to allow switching between them.May 15 12:54
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DaemonFCyeah, thats called DRMMay 15 12:54
DaemonFC:)May 15 12:54
oiaohmMS has opened up the door for BIOS makers to go head to head with them.May 15 12:55
DaemonFCno, what I think will happen eventually is OS-independent DRMMay 15 12:55
DaemonFCthey won't have to DRM any particular operating systemMay 15 12:55
DaemonFCcause the DRM will all be built in to the system firmwareMay 15 12:55
oiaohmHow can you have DRM in windows when you have bios running Linux in background behind windows.May 15 12:56
DaemonFCif the EFI controls what the OS can doMay 15 12:56
DaemonFCthen it can implement DRM in LinuxMay 15 12:56
DaemonFCor any operating systemMay 15 12:56
DaemonFCbecause it's really running on the DRM hypervisorMay 15 12:56
oiaohmWhere Linux is the hypervisor.May 15 12:56
DaemonFCsure, why not?May 15 12:56
oiaohmBasically MS will end up techicnally stuffed.May 15 12:57
DaemonFCI doubt Microsoft will let themMay 15 12:57
oiaohmNo control from hardware to user.May 15 12:57
oiaohmTo late DaemonFCMay 15 12:57
DaemonFClest we forget you're talking about big companies that like DRMMay 15 12:57
DaemonFCbut don't like other companiesMay 15 12:57
DaemonFCwho also like DRMMay 15 12:58
oiaohmDo you think bios makers will be anti DRM.May 15 12:58
DaemonFCeither way you're getting DRMMay 15 12:58
oiaohmThey could be anti MS DRM.May 15 12:58
DaemonFCI doubt itMay 15 12:58
DaemonFCif anything Microsoft will be paying them to do itMay 15 12:58
DaemonFCand helping them implement itMay 15 12:58
oiaohmPaying them to put Linux in bios.May 15 12:58
DaemonFCand it won't be LinuxMay 15 12:59
oiaohmI think not.May 15 12:59
oiaohmphonix and other bios makers have stated it will be the case.May 15 12:59
oiaohmMajor reason they fear something.May 15 12:59
oiaohmIf you flash a bios with crap motherboards don't work.May 15 13:00
oiaohmSo they need a secure OS to flash the bios with.May 15 13:00
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oiaohmThink of the night mares if current day windows base bios flashing software got high jacked.May 15 13:01
oiaohmMS does not want to be pulled into a battle on motherboard.May 15 13:01
DaemonFCI really don't like flashing a BIOS in WindowsMay 15 13:04
oiaohmNeither to bios makers like you doing it.May 15 13:04
oiaohmto/doMay 15 13:04
oiaohmMS has opened a pandoras box with the XP mode in Windows 7.  It uses the same features to virtualise any OS.May 15 13:06
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oiaohmhttp://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22643/  << Articual about what phoinix bios makers are upto.May 15 13:08
oiaohmSplashtop has also had the means to do this for a while just not much supporting hardware.May 15 13:09
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oiaohm http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22643/  << Articual about what phoinix bios makers are upto.  DaemonFCMay 15 14:01
DaemonFCI wonder if VLC is forced to respect Mackeral Vision on DVDsMay 15 14:12
DaemonFCin VistaMay 15 14:12
oiaohmNormal dvds no.May 15 14:13
oiaohmblueray and hd vlc does not play yet.May 15 14:13
DaemonFCVLC actually makes a better DVD player than most software you can pay forMay 15 14:13
DaemonFC:)May 15 14:13
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schestowitzFujitsu Services shuts final salary pension scheme < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/15/fujitsu_pension_row/ >May 15 15:02
schestowitzLet's look at some Microsoft newsMay 15 15:08
schestowitzVista is totally off the hedlines nowMay 15 15:14
schestowitzThey bury itMay 15 15:14
schestowitz5 headlines or so in 2 weeks of newsMay 15 15:14
schestowitzWindows 7: 56 matchesMay 15 15:15
DaemonFCyeah, Vista is something Microsoft totally wants to wash their hands ofMay 15 15:19
DaemonFCdo you blame them?May 15 15:19
DaemonFC:)May 15 15:19
schestowitzhttp://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=software_development&articleId=9132738&taxonomyId=63&intsrc=kc_top That's release candidate by Microsoft's standardsMay 15 15:19
schestowitzNo support for many more years, either (for Vista)May 15 15:19
schestowitzI wish I had access to the site to write about itMay 15 15:19
DaemonFCschestowitz: Why do you think they're sitting on SP2May 15 15:20
schestowitztacone has just made Slashdot's FP tooMay 15 15:20
DaemonFCand not releasing it yetMay 15 15:20
schestowitzOh, I see...May 15 15:20
DaemonFCcause they don't want to stir up talk of VistaMay 15 15:20
DaemonFCif they release SP2 now, people try it and maybe it fixes what was pissing them offMay 15 15:20
DaemonFCwhy do that when Windows 7 will be out in August or so?May 15 15:21
DaemonFCthink about it, if they release Windows 7 and Vista SP2 at the same time or round about, Windows 7 will drown it outMay 15 15:22
schestowitzI see.May 15 15:22
DaemonFCI have the final build of Vista SP2 alreadyMay 15 15:22
schestowitzWell, almost ten times as many headlines are about Vista7May 15 15:22
schestowitzTheir PR agents make it this watMay 15 15:22
DaemonFCthey already released it on Microsoft Connect and TechnetMay 15 15:22
schestowitzI've seen over time how they 'drive' journalistsMay 15 15:23
schestowitzThey also mock or punish criticsMay 15 15:23
DaemonFCso their "important" customers already have accounts thereMay 15 15:23
DaemonFCand can grab itMay 15 15:23
schestowitzSo we NEED real USERs of Vista7 with no super-duper h/w to BLOG about itMay 15 15:23
DaemonFCyes, Mary Jo Foley wrote an article about the thousands of bugs they released Windows 2000 withMay 15 15:23
DaemonFCand they put her on a blacklist for itMay 15 15:24
DaemonFCwell, after the 4 service packs and the final "update rollup", Windows 2000 was/is pretty solidMay 15 15:24
DaemonFCbut by the time Microsoft fixes it, it's about to be unsupportedMay 15 15:25
DaemonFC:)May 15 15:25
DaemonFCthat's why businesses still run a mix of Windows NT 4 and Windows 2000 and Windows XPMay 15 15:25
schestowitzFUDzilla spreads crappy headlines: http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13570&Itemid=1 Microsoft goes open sourceMay 15 15:25
schestowitzVery deceivingMay 15 15:25
schestowitzAll proprietary, relying on freebieMay 15 15:25
schestowitzno GPLMay 15 15:25
DaemonFCschestowitz: The Dayton library branches all still use Windows NT 4.0May 15 15:26
schestowitzHehe.May 15 15:26
DaemonFCdespite the fact that there are known unpatched vulnerabilities that MS has stated they won't ever patchMay 15 15:26
DaemonFCpublic terminals use this shitMay 15 15:26
DaemonFChundreds of themMay 15 15:26
DaemonFC:PMay 15 15:26
DaemonFCYou'd think if they were having their budget cut so bad as to rely on an operating system from 1996, they'd go ahead and roll out LinuxMay 15 15:27
DaemonFCsadly this is a combination of ignorance, of "1,000 systems work, don't touch them", and bad fundingMay 15 15:28
DaemonFCNT 4 was a damned nightmare to administerMay 15 15:29
DaemonFCthere was no standard driver model for Windows until Windows 2000May 15 15:29
DaemonFCso precisely what a driver was, could do, and should do were up for grabsMay 15 15:30
schestowitzIs the Microsoft Zune Phone Coming this June? http://www.fonearena.com/blog/2009/05/14/is-the-microsoft-zune-phone-coming-this-june.htmlMay 15 15:30
schestowitzDaemonFC: did you see the Slashdot article?May 15 15:30
schestowitzIt's related to what you talk aboutMay 15 15:30
DaemonFCof?May 15 15:30
schestowitzThey try to move from old Windows to LinuxMay 15 15:30
schestowitzWait.May 15 15:30
schestowitzhttp://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/15/1229231&art_pos=1May 15 15:30
DaemonFCfrom old Windows to Linux should be relatively easyMay 15 15:31
schestowitzI suppose you saw Stefano here last night talking about this.May 15 15:31
DaemonFCif the systems are that old then Linux should already support all the hardwareMay 15 15:31
DaemonFCnoMay 15 15:31
schestowitzMicrosoft rules out Zunephone http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13474&Itemid=1May 15 15:32
DaemonFCChris Pirillo mentioned it last year, saying he was still seeing hits from people using Windows 98May 15 15:32
schestowitzThen again, MS are liarsMay 15 15:32
schestowitzThey denies repeatedly when people claimed they have eviedenceMay 15 15:32
DaemonFCsomething like "What the hell is wrong with you people? Use Linux or something! Sheesh!"May 15 15:32
schestowitzMaybe they'll then say "it's not Zune phone"May 15 15:32
schestowitzIt's the Microfon"May 15 15:32
schestowitzSo technically we didn't lieMay 15 15:32
schestowitzDaemonFC: yeah, Win98 is badMay 15 15:33
DaemonFCschestowitz: Microsoft artificially denies you their latest software when they cut off the version of Windows you useMay 15 15:33
schestowitzI saw a Windows 2000 machine yesterdayMay 15 15:33
schestowitzColleagueMay 15 15:33
schestowitzGeez! So uglyMay 15 15:33
schestowitzHow do people live with that ugly WIndows GUI?May 15 15:33
DaemonFCit will still run but they artificially introduce checks for your version of WindowsMay 15 15:33
schestowitzIt's discouraging workMay 15 15:33
schestowitzAnd Outlook is a buggy POS for her tooMay 15 15:33
schestowitzDaemonFC: waitMay 15 15:33
schestowitzNews here..May 15 15:33
DaemonFCwell, XP and Windows 2003 support stylesMay 15 15:33
schestowitzRumor: Microsoft Can Kill Xbox 360s Remotely http://technologizer.com/2009/05/14/rumor-microsoft-can-kill-xbox-360s-remotely/May 15 15:34
DaemonFCand Vista isn't uglyMay 15 15:34
schestowitzNope May 15 15:34
DaemonFCWindows 2008 can also use Vista stylesMay 15 15:34
schestowitzVista has better window decorationsMay 15 15:34
DaemonFCeven though it's butt ugly by defaultMay 15 15:34
schestowitzThe UI elements are still uglyMay 15 15:34
schestowitzI like Qt betterMay 15 15:34
schestowitzQt has been beautiful since I started using it daily in KDE 3.1May 15 15:35
DaemonFCyeah, MS can ban your console from XBOX LiveMay 15 15:35
schestowitzKDE2 was more like WindowsMay 15 15:35
DaemonFCusually for console moddingMay 15 15:35
schestowitz:-)May 15 15:35
DaemonFCrarely for cheatingMay 15 15:35
schestowitzBuy kill switch?>May 15 15:35
schestowitzBricj?May 15 15:35
schestowitzNot ban from XBox Live.May 15 15:35
DaemonFCalmost never if there's a sex pervert or a small child cursing at everyoneMay 15 15:35
DaemonFCif they're making money off you then you can do anything but hack the software or hardwareMay 15 15:36
DaemonFCXBOX live is a fucking three ring circusMay 15 15:37
DaemonFCpardon my frenchMay 15 15:37
schestowitz @officethemovie is a Microsoft AstroTurfer in Twitter: http://www.crn.com/software/217400384;jsessionid=GSGAPL3CJDNNAQSNDLOSKH0CJUNN2JVNMay 15 15:38
DaemonFCthey hype it up to be fun, but it isn't really, you always end up playing team games with minors who are violating the Terms of Service by being thereMay 15 15:38
DaemonFCwho scream into the microphone and team killMay 15 15:38
DaemonFCI called XBOX Live support and complained about it onceMay 15 15:38
DaemonFCthe rep blew me off and said "There's nothing we can do, their parents are paying for it"May 15 15:39
DaemonFCaround my 6th malfunctioning XBOX 360May 15 15:39
DaemonFCI decided to jsut give upMay 15 15:39
DaemonFCtheir online service is expensive bullshitMay 15 15:40
DaemonFCtheir games are $60 each jsut to find out the other half is for sale on LiveMay 15 15:40
DaemonFCand the hardware is faultyMay 15 15:40
DaemonFCMicrosoft did for gaming what they did for PCs, take a market with thriving and diverse and reasonably priced competitionMay 15 15:41
DaemonFCand turned it into the same old cookie cutter crap for twice as much as you were paying beforeMay 15 15:41
DaemonFCactuallyMay 15 15:42
DaemonFCit wasn't all MicrosoftMay 15 15:42
DaemonFCit was Sony tooMay 15 15:42
DaemonFCSega was really the last company that made game after game I wanted to playMay 15 15:43
DaemonFCPS3 and XBOX 360 are like "Do you still shoot things? Do things still shoot at you? Are textures the only thing that have changed? k."May 15 15:44
schestowitzCNBC: "I know everyone is getting all hot and bothered about Microsoft's $3.75 billion debt deal, speculating it is a forerunner to a coming acquisition by the software giant. But based on what I'm hearing, investors bracing for a big deal in the near term ..."May 15 15:45
schestowitz6 broken ones, eh?May 15 15:45
schestowitzDo you know how much MS lost on XBox?May 15 15:45
schestowitzTheir strategy director has just quit.May 15 15:46
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DaemonFChmmmMay 15 15:47
DaemonFCyeah, this is the last console they sell meMay 15 15:47
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DaemonFCthere is a serious brain drain going on with these gamesMay 15 15:47
DaemonFCthe kind of people that can build a great game engine are not the people that should be designing the gameMay 15 15:48
DaemonFCusuallyMay 15 15:48
DaemonFCtheir strategy director quit? hehMay 15 15:49
DaemonFCOh, then when I cancelled XBOX Live, they kept billing meMay 15 15:49
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DaemonFCeventually I posted some stuff on their forum about itMay 15 15:50
DaemonFCthey deleted itMay 15 15:50
DaemonFCso I posted some stuff about it in other placesMay 15 15:50
DaemonFCthen I got their director of XBOX Live services emailing me offering me a refund and another year on LiveMay 15 15:50
DaemonFCI told him the refund would suffice, and that their customer care was seriously broken if one of the minions below him couldn't handle a simple refundMay 15 15:51
schestowitzI saw another delitionMay 15 15:53
schestowitzSomeone mailed me about itMay 15 15:53
schestowitzI might post about it laterMay 15 15:54
twitterhe he, in a year you will want to quit Xbox live and will have the same problem, FC.May 15 15:54
twitterbroken by design - they need revenues.  It kind of reminds me of Worldcom and other frauds.  Customers slammed by the implosion.May 15 15:55
schestowitzThe pres is not quiet on MS/YahooMay 15 15:56
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schestowitzMaybe it'll passMay 15 15:56
twitterM$.  This too will pass.May 15 15:56
twitterflush twice.May 15 15:56
twitter:)May 15 15:56
twitterGotta run to work.  Keep an eye on things while I'm gone.May 15 15:57
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schestowitzAnother dead Microsoft product: paidContent.org - Microsoft Decides It Has No Answer For The Answers Market < http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/11/AR2009051102957.html >May 15 15:58
schestowitzMSN QnA Beta Is Closing On May 21st http://www.liveside.net/main/archive/2009/05/11/msn-qna-beta-is-closing-on-may-21st.aspxMay 15 16:00
schestowitzNot many news announcement from Microsoft. Just one cancellation after anotherMay 15 16:00
DaemonFCyeah, cutting off the dead branches to give the nutrients to the ones they think may recoverMay 15 16:01
DaemonFC:)May 15 16:01
schestowitzWhat a stupid deceiving headline: Leaked Microsoft Document Reveals Secret Strategy To Kill Apple iPhone < http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-shooting-back-at-apple-with-multi-touch-phones-2009-5 >May 15 16:02
schestowitzDaemonFC: exactlyMay 15 16:02
schestowitzThey wanted to expandMay 15 16:02
schestowitzThey wanted XBoxMay 15 16:02
schestowitzCost them 7 billiobMay 15 16:02
schestowitzAnd still losing moneyMay 15 16:03
schestowitzTech Rumor: Apple in Talks to Buy Twitter for $700 Million < http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,518969,00.html > makes no sense.May 15 16:05
schestowitzRequiring a “kill switch” in Windows that would disable IE: http://government.zdnet.com/?p=4769May 15 16:09
DaemonFCschestowitz: you can "uninstall IE" in Windows 7May 15 16:11
DaemonFCit does delete iexplore.exeMay 15 16:11
schestowitzSee the postMay 15 16:12
schestowitzit's about antitrustMay 15 16:12
DaemonFCyeahMay 15 16:13
DaemonFCwell, it improves on Vista in that way thenMay 15 16:13
DaemonFCcause without iexplore.exe, nothing can ignore your preferred browser and load IE insteadMay 15 16:13
DaemonFCInternet Explorer has always been a terrible browserMay 15 16:15
DaemonFCthe only reason anyone uses it is because it's there and they are ignorantMay 15 16:15
DaemonFCmost ISPs give you a "setup CD" that has some kind of goofy browser of theirs that really wraps IEMay 15 16:16
schestowitzBallmer: 'The world borrowed too much money' < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10235112-56.html >May 15 16:17
DaemonFCwhen I had DSL in 2007 the phone company gave me a setup CD that tried to setup their wrapper browser for IEMay 15 16:17
DaemonFCANDMay 15 16:17
schestowitzSays the man who is now BORROWING MONEYMay 15 16:17
DaemonFCThe Microsoft Java VMMay 15 16:17
schestowitzSon of bankersMay 15 16:17
schestowitzMS JavaMay 15 16:18
schestowitzWhat about MSODF?May 15 16:18
schestowitzWait, that's already included in SP2May 15 16:18
schestowitzTo fragment thingsMay 15 16:18
DaemonFC"The challenge, Ballmer said later in his chat, is that software doesn't wear out, meaning companies have to do something new and different to get people to upgrade."May 15 16:19
DaemonFChehMay 15 16:19
DaemonFCcut off support for it and force all your partners to make all their stuff not work on that versionMay 15 16:20
DaemonFCproblem solvedMay 15 16:20
schestowitzCan Microsoft stop IE's market share slide? < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10239579-16.html >May 15 16:22
DaemonFCInternet Explorer is slow and it's not extensibleMay 15 16:23
DaemonFCthe user will notice thatMay 15 16:24
DaemonFCthey won't notice the perversions of web standards or the total implementation gapsMay 15 16:24
DaemonFCthey'll notice that it sucks because it's hard not to noticeMay 15 16:24
DaemonFCIE is slow, not extensible, has major implementation gaps, and gobbles memory like there's not tomorrowMay 15 16:25
DaemonFC*noMay 15 16:25
DaemonFCschestowitz: What we can hope for is that Chrome and Opera and others pick up tooMay 15 16:27
DaemonFChaving one dominate web browser is not a good thing no matter who controls itMay 15 16:27
DaemonFCNetscape had a 90% market share at one point and practically wrote its own standardsMay 15 16:28
DaemonFCanyone with that much weight to throw around will abuse itMay 15 16:28
DaemonFCanother thing....May 15 16:29
DaemonFCschestowitzMay 15 16:29
DaemonFCWhy is Netscape gaining users?May 15 16:29
schestowitzhttp://gigaom.com/2009/05/08/did-microsoft-buy-seeqpod/ "Long plagued by legal challenges from major record labels, bankrupt MP3 search engine SeeqPod has been on the brink of extinction for months."May 15 16:29
DaemonFCthey EOL'd all their browsers in March of last yearMay 15 16:29
schestowitzSome people fake NetscapeMay 15 16:29
schestowitzTo get inside old stupid Web sitesMay 15 16:29
DaemonFCohMay 15 16:29
schestowitzI worked for Netscape.comMay 15 16:30
DaemonFChehMay 15 16:30
DaemonFCI used to call them NutscrapeMay 15 16:30
DaemonFCafter version 3, they just couldn't do anything rightMay 15 16:31
DaemonFCand that was made much worse when AOL took them overMay 15 16:31
DaemonFCI don't think I'l ever forget banging my head on the keyboardMay 15 16:31
balzacI just got ear-assaulted by the Webex advertisement again on shoutcast (sky fm)May 15 16:32
DaemonFC"Starting Java............"May 15 16:32
DaemonFC20 minutes laterMay 15 16:32
DaemonFCIs it done yet? Where am I?May 15 16:32
DaemonFCI'd place Netscape 4 and 6 as the worst and second worst browsers everMay 15 16:33
balzacRoy, I'd appreciate it if you'd write a little something ripping on Webex and their run of the mill software and high sampling volume of their internet radio ads.May 15 16:33
DaemonFChttp://mashable.com/2009/05/13/rip-internet-explorer/May 15 16:35
schestowitzI don't know much about itMay 15 16:35
DaemonFChmmmMay 15 16:36
DaemonFCyeah, the only pattern is a slow and steady declineMay 15 16:37
DaemonFCwith no major time period where it's changed drasticallyMay 15 16:37
DaemonFCthat's probably why Microsoft is trying to trojan IE 8 in and take over your computer with Windows UpdatesMay 15 16:38
DaemonFCcarpet bombing out of sheer desperationMay 15 16:38
schestowitzhttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/05/11/BU7C17IF0R.DTL&type=business (GM says 2 top execs have dumped their stock)May 15 16:39
schestowitzMicrosoft is on a campaign to use antitrust against Google: Google: A 'natural monopoly'? < http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/07/technology/yang_google.fortune/?postversion=2009050710 >May 15 16:40
schestowitzloads of daemonisation and stuffMay 15 16:40
schestowitzMS press usuallyMay 15 16:40
balzacI'm not ready to turn on Google until Microsoft has lost its grip on the user desktopMay 15 16:42
balzacAfter that, my company, Disruptech, will begin taking Google's market share away... =]May 15 16:43
DaemonFCThey're a monopoly and a threat to our monopoly!May 15 16:46
DaemonFCoh noez!May 15 16:46
schestowitzMonopoly excahnged for another is not goodMay 15 16:48
schestowitzLike AppleMay 15 16:48
schestowitzAnd Apple is no friend of LinuxMay 15 16:48
schestowitzFor many reasonsMay 15 16:48
EruaranMicrosoft has tried to argue to the EC that bundling other browsers with Windows will give Google an unfair advantage with can be abusedMay 15 16:49
EruaranFunny... Hasn't Microsoft spent gazillions and fought for years arguing that tying their own browser into the OS DOESN'T give them an unfair advantage with they abuse ?May 15 16:50
schestowitzLayoffs hit Microsoft security unit < http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=3329 >May 15 16:50
schestowitzThey were not doing a good jon anywayMay 15 16:51
schestowitzEruaran: yes, they are trying to deflect nowMay 15 16:51
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schestowitzJournal's Wilke Dies of Cancer at 54  < http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124138481469681167.html >May 15 16:55
zer0c00lDaemonFC, konqueror doesnt have support for https pages?May 15 17:03
zer0c00lits not loading when tried through a proxyMay 15 17:04
zer0c00lhttp is working fineMay 15 17:04
schestowitzIt does have its limitationsMay 15 17:04
DaemonFCKonqueror supports httpsMay 15 17:04
zer0c00lDaemonFC, but not through proxiesMay 15 17:05
zer0c00li browsed gmail when i was homeMay 15 17:05
DaemonFCoh?May 15 17:05
DaemonFChmmmMay 15 17:05
zer0c00lseems like a bugMay 15 17:05
zer0c00lbut they do have option for https proxy, when i feed in my proxy it doesnt workMay 15 17:05
zer0c00li found this http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=121967258527984&w=2May 15 17:06
zer0c00lsome one has said "I can confirm that this issue has thankfully disappeared from 4.1.1 builds."May 15 17:07
zer0c00lbut i am using 4.2.3May 15 17:07
zer0c00lbut i am using 4.2.2May 15 17:07
schestowitzMicrosoft Says No Way: To Google’s Browser in Windows http://chattahbox.com/technology/2009/05/08/microsoft-says-no-way-to-googles-browser-in-windows/May 15 17:30
DaemonFCyeah, cause it gives Internet Explorer 8 a good old fashioned beat downMay 15 17:42
DaemonFCI think I covered that :)May 15 17:42
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DaemonFCit also is an order of magnitude faster than Firefox or OperaMay 15 17:42
DaemonFCbut there really is no comparing it with IE :PMay 15 17:42
DaemonFCschestowitz: Apparently all browsers are getting a speed boost in Windows 7?May 15 17:44
DaemonFCoh, read it wrongMay 15 17:44
DaemonFChttp://www.betanews.com/article/Windows-7-gives-Firefox-3-IE8-speed-boosts-while-Firefox-35-slows-down/1242163110May 15 17:44
DaemonFCstill, weirdMay 15 17:45
DaemonFCschestowitz: It seems like Microsoft is borking some peoples copy of WindowsMay 15 17:46
DaemonFCby sending in IE 8 unannouncedMay 15 17:46
DaemonFChttp://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2009/05/can_i_recommend_internet_explo.html?hpid=sec-techMay 15 17:46
DaemonFCprobably because these people have an active spyware infestationMay 15 17:46
DaemonFCor have messed with IE to the point where it can't be properly upgradedMay 15 17:47
DaemonFCbut still it is amusingMay 15 17:47
schestowitzYeah.. May 15 17:47
schestowitzLet me see.May 15 17:47
balzacwindows is about as messy and organic as the botnets which have colonized so many millions of windows computersMay 15 17:47
schestowitzI don't get it: Nintendo Q4 profit down 42 pct, sees slowdown ahead < http://uk.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/idUKT2960420090507 > AND ALSO: Nintendo reports record profits < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8038203.stm >May 15 17:48
schestowitzSomething ain't right here.May 15 17:48
DaemonFCschestowitz: A lot of people on my Yahoo and Windows Live lists have been compromised by virusesMay 15 17:48
balzacMicrosoft is probably hiring the botnet administrators to teach them how to round up their decacying windows installations and force upgrades through some kind of rootkitMay 15 17:48
schestowitzRecord profit, AND down 42%?May 15 17:48
DaemonFCthey immediately turn into IM spam relaysMay 15 17:48
DaemonFCschestowitz: Buy Penis pills!!!! Click Here!!!!May 15 17:49
DaemonFC:PMay 15 17:49
balzacI wonder when the Microsoft people are just going to throw up their hands because they can't stand their own software anymoreMay 15 17:49
DaemonFCthat kind of crapMay 15 17:49
DaemonFCwell I've noticed an interesting patternMay 15 17:50
DaemonFCmost of the infected seem to be using XPMay 15 17:50
balzacIf I were a microsoft developer, i'd just give upMay 15 17:50
DaemonFCXP is ridiculously easy to infectMay 15 17:50
balzacwhat if you had to code in .net and use visual basic?May 15 17:51
DaemonFCespecially when 60% of them don't have antivirusMay 15 17:51
balzacwould that not make you want to find a job in construction instead?May 15 17:51
DaemonFC.Net makes it easy for bad programmers to write broken applicationsMay 15 17:52
DaemonFCnot everything written in .Net is badMay 15 17:52
DaemonFCbut because of that, a lot of it isMay 15 17:52
DaemonFChttp://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2007/09/internet_explorer_6_support_en_1.htmlMay 15 17:54
DaemonFCLMAOMay 15 17:54
DaemonFChttp://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2007/09/banner_ad_trojan_served_on_mys.htmlMay 15 17:55
DaemonFCBanner Ad Trojan Served on MySpace, PhotobucketMay 15 17:55
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DaemonFCschestowitz: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9132311&intsrc=news_ts_headMay 15 17:58
DaemonFC"Others will have to wait even longer, although the timetable is muddy at best. In an entry posted to its Windows Vista blog, Microsoft said, "We expect Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008 SP2 to be publicly available in Q2 2009." That would place a general public release before the end of June."May 15 17:58
DaemonFCend of June?May 15 17:58
DaemonFCI've been running the final build of SP2 since it was on TechNet on April 27May 15 17:59
DaemonFCwhat kind of crazy messed up shit is this where a company has to wait 2 months to deliver something that's already been signed off onMay 15 17:59
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schestowitzhttp://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/9002/seeqpod_microsoft.html SeeqPod Talks to MicrosoftMay 15 18:01
schestowitzDaemonFC: yes, it's very oddMay 15 18:02
DaemonFCschestowitz: Vista still has about 3 years of Mainstream supportMay 15 18:03
DaemonFCso there probably will be a Service Pack 3May 15 18:03
DaemonFCit'll be a squeaker though, and probably just an update rollupMay 15 18:03
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DaemonFChttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Vista-RTM-vs-Vista-SP2-99960.shtmlMay 15 18:05
schestowitzThe site downtime is becoming a pain. I've attempted to speak to Shane by phone (or mail), but he's not around.May 15 18:05
schestowitzHe has the report. I too have access to the account (it's mostly me who runs the site these days). I think it may have been a malicious DDOS attack.May 15 18:05
schestowitzWho knows...May 15 18:05
schestowitzI'll see what the host can do to helpMay 15 18:05
DaemonFCVista SP2 needs MORE RAM than RTMMay 15 18:07
DaemonFC50 MB moreMay 15 18:07
schestowitzDaemonFC: loooks minorMay 15 18:07
DaemonFCand starts up 10 seconds slowerMay 15 18:07
DaemonFC:PMay 15 18:07
zer0c00lschestowitz, did you see  http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/15/1229231&from=rssMay 15 18:16
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schestowitzLots of Microsoft nws todayMay 15 18:18
reya276does anyone know why boycottnovell.com is downMay 15 18:18
schestowitzreya276: yes, I'm working on itMay 15 18:19
schestowitzLoad issuesMay 15 18:19
reya276oh sorryMay 15 18:19
schestowitzWe might have to get dedicatedMay 15 18:19
reya276I though MS got to you guysMay 15 18:19
schestowitzI hope notMay 15 18:19
schestowitzzer0c00l: yes, it came up in here yesterdayMay 15 18:19
reya276dedicated sounds like a good ideaMay 15 18:19
schestowitzI was gonna write about it before /.May 15 18:19
zer0c00lokMay 15 18:19
schestowitzNow, if only I can get back to posting ASAP..May 15 18:20
reya276I was trying to read that Dell story, is there any other place where I can find thatMay 15 18:20
schestowitzDid you try Google cache?May 15 18:23
schestowitzcache:<URL>May 15 18:23
reya276k let me try that, thanksMay 15 18:23
schestowitzWhy Move to MySQL from Microsoft SQL Server? < http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/move_from_microsoft_SQL_Server.html >May 15 18:25
schestowitzreya276: downtimes are quite rare, esp. of this durationMay 15 18:25
schestowitzIt could be DDOSMay 15 18:25
schestowitzI don't know yetMay 15 18:25
reya276oh wowMay 15 18:25
DaemonFCschestowitz: Microsoft "Kumo" is a Google cloneMay 15 18:26
DaemonFChehMay 15 18:26
DaemonFCI'm looking at the betaMay 15 18:26
reya276nope I read that Kumo was a piece of junk that tried to be like google but with more features and thus breaks the searchMay 15 18:27
reya276typical MS stuffMay 15 18:27
DaemonFChttp://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/05/14/microsoft-publicly-testing-codename-kumoMay 15 18:28
DaemonFChttp://keznews.com/5669_Windows_7_Build_7127_Is_LiveMay 15 18:29
DaemonFChttp://www.wzor.net/img/news/ms_sp2srv_cl_rtm_wzlogo.jpgMay 15 18:42
DaemonFC:)May 15 18:42
schestowitzreya276: yes, it's more of a farceMay 15 18:43
schestowitzLike Live aka MSN aka CashbacksMay 15 18:44
DaemonFChttp://www.wzor.net/img/news/ms_sp2client_rtm_wzlogo.jpgMay 15 18:44
reya276yeap I figured that, they also got this Powerset thing goingMay 15 18:44
schestowitzI cam't wait for the site to come backMay 15 18:44
schestowitzI have line 20 good posts lined upMay 15 18:44
schestowitzI need t seam together my latest refsMay 15 18:44
reya276they purchased powerset for 100 millionMay 15 18:44
schestowitzYesMay 15 18:44
schestowitzBecause they MustKillGoogleMay 15 18:44
DaemonFCschestowitz: I'm getting the integrated DVDMay 15 18:45
DaemonFCso I don't have to fuck around with the 800 meg SP2 isntaller next time :PMay 15 18:45
DaemonFCI wonder if vlite would work on this suckerMay 15 18:45
DaemonFC:DMay 15 18:45
reya276I was just looking at it and its clunky also it uses Wikipedia, I thought that MS did not like anything that was remotely close to FOSS or OpenSourceMay 15 18:45
reya276I guess times are tough ehMay 15 18:46
DaemonFCschestowitz: Should I bother with vlite, do you think?May 15 18:46
DaemonFCor am I just going to corrupt the ISOMay 15 18:47
DaemonFCI don't know if I'm feeling lucky :DMay 15 18:47
DaemonFCthere is just SUCH a mountain of crap in VistaMay 15 18:47
DaemonFCI counted 6 gigs worth of software I don't needMay 15 18:48
DaemonFCjust the crap I don't use is three times the size of UbuntuMay 15 18:48
DaemonFC:PMay 15 18:48
DaemonFCbut if you remove any of it, the next service pack will refuse to install :)May 15 18:49
DaemonFCthat wasn't a problem with nLite for XP because it could slipstream a service pack, then you cut out the crapMay 15 18:49
DaemonFCbut Vista uses a different install format which is very unfriendly to hotfix integrationMay 15 18:50
reya276yeap Vista is horrible, also tested the Windows 7 RC and is pure crap as well. nothings changedMay 15 18:50
reya276for some reason I can see more and more people running Linux 2 years from now. Ubuntu or some other form of Linux, maybe that Android OS from googleMay 15 18:51
DaemonFCI also hear rumors that Vista SP2 is blocking bittorrent portsMay 15 18:51
DaemonFC6881-6889May 15 18:52
DaemonFCfor some peopleMay 15 18:52
DaemonFCdoesn't seem to affect meMay 15 18:52
reya276yes they are, it blocked my brothers ports as he could not connect to to some torrent sites, and when he booted in to Ubuntu the sites all worked with transmissionMay 15 18:53
DaemonFCusing utorrent hereMay 15 18:53
DaemonFChasn't affected me at allMay 15 18:53
DaemonFCit also does not affect VuzeMay 15 18:53
reya276 maybe it was the client he was using, I forget the nameMay 15 18:53
DaemonFCthey're all basically garbage except for utorrentMay 15 18:54
DaemonFCon Windows anywayMay 15 18:54
DaemonFCutorrent is fairly light on resources so a lot of Linux users use it through WineMay 15 18:54
DaemonFCin fact, they compile it intentionally so it works well on WineMay 15 18:55
DaemonFCspares them from having to port itMay 15 18:55
reya276through wine? why when you could use a native linux clientMay 15 18:55
DaemonFCcause utorrent still uses less resourcesMay 15 18:55
DaemonFCwell, I suppose Transmission is alrightMay 15 18:55
DaemonFCbut stuff like Deluge are crapMay 15 18:55
reya276you know what is funny, I've heard lots of people complaining about the HD ATI video drivers not working properly, but when I ran a native linux game like nexiuz the damn thing worked great, the only time it craps out is when you try to run games in WINEMay 15 18:56
reya276see somehow I will have to put that to the test, because wine takes up resources+utorrent resources so how can it be lessMay 15 18:57
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reya276you know what I don't understand is how in the hell the EU fines MS and is trying to give them a hard time, yet they stick with the company when it comes to their documents.May 15 19:00
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DaemonFCheh WinampMay 15 19:04
DaemonFC:)May 15 19:04
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schestowitzShane is out of the house today, so the host is still being SO slow. I understand why they must do this. Shane seems to be out all day today, so the furthest I can reach is his answering machine. :-( Assuming it was a temporary DDOS attack I asked if they could the site be temporarily unsuspended so I can debug or disable to source of heavy load (maybe the Wiki).May 15 19:04
DaemonFCschestowitz: Fun is not integrated into Vista Basic or BusinessMay 15 19:07
DaemonFChttp://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-vista/compare-editions/default.aspxMay 15 19:07
DaemonFCroflMay 15 19:07
reya276you know I noticed the site acting weird since last night at about 11:30pm - 12:00 am est.May 15 19:07
DaemonFC"Have more fun on your PC..."May 15 19:07
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Microsoft kind of backed themselves into a corner with Vista support reallyMay 15 19:08
DaemonFCthey have to support Vista Business til 2017May 15 19:09
DaemonFCall the rest get killed in 2012May 15 19:09
DaemonFCthat's the only way to guarantee that you have 10 years of support nowMay 15 19:10
DaemonFCis buy the Professional editionMay 15 19:10
DaemonFCby cutting the support for other versions to 5 years, Microsoft essentially doubled the price and hid what they had doneMay 15 19:11
reya276I tell you, you have some very smart crooks at MS, I wonder if they get trained at Redmond for this type of skillMay 15 19:16
schestowitzreya276: yes, that's when it began. last nightMay 15 19:18
schestowitzI woke up and it was still badMay 15 19:18
schestowitzDaemonFC: they say they'll support the Vista Beast until 2011 or laterMay 15 19:18
schestowitzMaybe 2102May 15 19:18
schestowitz2012May 15 19:19
schestowitzSee article from Greg in ComputerWorldMay 15 19:19
DaemonFCVista Business gets 5 years + 5 years of extendedMay 15 19:19
DaemonFCthe rest only get the 5 yearsMay 15 19:19
schestowitzreya276: what do you mean?May 15 19:19
schestowitzDDOS?May 15 19:19
DaemonFCincluding the super expensive ultimate editionMay 15 19:19
schestowitzSome person asked me about itMay 15 19:19
DaemonFC:)May 15 19:19
DaemonFCthey got ripped offMay 15 19:19
schestowitzYes, they want free upgdrade nowMay 15 19:20
schestowitzWatch Google News, you'll seeMay 15 19:20
schestowitzThey went the "7"edition of Vista for freeMay 15 19:20
reya276schestowitz: about the skills thing? I meant if MS employees get trained to become crooksMay 15 19:20
schestowitzVista came in 6 editions, right?May 15 19:20
schestowitz7 is the seventhMay 15 19:20
schestowitzreya276: OH. You ought to see what I have coming.May 15 19:20
schestowitzThey corrupt Obama againMay 15 19:21
schestowitzExtortionMay 15 19:21
reya276oh I know, I'm so fucking pissed, because I thought he was differentMay 15 19:21
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reya276yet the fucker built his campaing and was able to win the damn election using the fucking LAMP Stack, what an assholeMay 15 19:22
DaemonFC5 editions, not counting the GovernmentWare edition in the UKMay 15 19:22
DaemonFCthat would make 6May 15 19:22
DaemonFC:)May 15 19:22
reya276vista was suppose to be 5 and 7 was six, they had an article about the windows versioning on ARS TechnicaMay 15 19:23
schestowitzYes, I know that storyMay 15 19:25
schestowitzVista 7 is actually Windows 6.2May 15 19:25
schestowitz*6.1May 15 19:25
reya276rightMay 15 19:25
schestowitzSomeone from Debian  told meMay 15 19:25
schestowitzHe went into beta's registryMay 15 19:25
schestowitzSo it's Vista.1May 15 19:25
DaemonFCNT 6.1May 15 19:25
schestowitzThe "AnotherShot" edition of VistaMay 15 19:26
DaemonFCMicrosoft says that's for compatibility reasonsMay 15 19:26
schestowitzSE2May 15 19:26
schestowitzSE was SP1May 15 19:26
DaemonFCand does not reflect it's radical departure from Vista :)May 15 19:26
DaemonFCright :PMay 15 19:26
schestowitzAnyway, since lile 98% of Americans vote for the same party, the MSFTism in GOvt won't change.May 15 19:27
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schestowitzAnd I hope to show over time just how much Microsoft personnel there is in the Business PartyMay 15 19:27
schestowitzThe Wiki ought to have an indexMay 15 19:28
reya276schestowitz: sad to say it but your 100% right about that. What a shame!May 15 19:28
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DaemonFCno, 99% of the public is led along like the idiots they are by divisive fringe issues that "their candidate" will never really seek to change because then they can always blame the other bastards for why nothing ever gets donw about thatMay 15 19:30
DaemonFC:)May 15 19:30
DaemonFCthe country is collapsing and our own greed is finally catching up with us!!! ZOMG!!! GAY MARRIAGE!!!May 15 19:30
reya276you I could understand if FOSS was something that could actually harm our society but its something that can change the entire world.May 15 19:31
DaemonFCno, that's just what the Communists want you to think, they want software to be free so they can put hard working people out of jobs and cause billions in lost revenueMay 15 19:32
DaemonFCright up there with the piratesMay 15 19:32
DaemonFC:)May 15 19:32
DaemonFCschestowitz: There was a guy in this state (Indiana) who sued the FSF for illegal price fixing with their anticompetitive GPL licenseMay 15 19:33
DaemonFCand the judge dismissed his claims in SUMMARY judgementMay 15 19:33
DaemonFC:PMay 15 19:33
reya276Have you guys seen the Zeitgeist Movement http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22&Itemid=57May 15 19:33
DaemonFCmeaning she didn't even think it was worth the courts time to hear himMay 15 19:33
DaemonFCshe wrote something to the effect of "Yeah, it sucks for you, but it's a good thing for a million other people"May 15 19:34
DaemonFC:)May 15 19:34
DaemonFCI am just not used to that kind of competence by a judge in this stateMay 15 19:35
reya276DaemonFC: I don't know what your understanding of FOSS is, but as far as I'm concern it is not communism.May 15 19:35
DaemonFCsarcasm mean anything to you? :PMay 15 19:35
reya276:-DMay 15 19:36
reya276ah I thought you were seriousMay 15 19:36
DaemonFChttp://www.wzor.net/img/news/ms_sp2srv_cl_rtm_wzlogo.jpgMay 15 19:38
schestowitzDaemonFC: yes, I know the guyMay 15 19:38
DaemonFCthis one is my favorite of the twoMay 15 19:38
schestowitzGroklaw has the ruling's PDF somewhereMay 15 19:39
DaemonFCschestowitz: Vista got quite a bit more stable when they started using the same OS binaries as Server 2008May 15 19:39
DaemonFCthey don't tend to foist crap on their big spendersMay 15 19:39
DaemonFCso I'm not surprised that some of that stability washed up onto VistaMay 15 19:40
schestowitzIf (Economy=="down" || <0), then PrintMoney(max) && Greenspan.RaiseHand();May 15 19:40
reya276Vista is crap due to its DRM infestation, which will also plague Windows 7May 15 19:40
schestowitzYesMay 15 19:40
schestowitzMaybe it's not strapped on yet fullyMay 15 19:41
DaemonFCoddly enoughMay 15 19:41
DaemonFCI've only seen one thing that *may* be DRMMay 15 19:41
schestowitzI have some posts about it, but DAMN. No go.May 15 19:41
schestowitzreya276: I could blog in my personal siteMay 15 19:41
trmancohttp://blogs.computerworld.com/look_out_ie_firefox_chrome_is_getting_much_betterMay 15 19:42
reya276go for itMay 15 19:42
trmancooh crap, here we goMay 15 19:42
schestowitzI SO hate it when the site is downMay 15 19:42
schestowitzThis is the longest downtime ever (since 2006)May 15 19:43
schestowitzI guess I could use a breakMay 15 19:43
reya276oh yeah, IE 8 is garbage, I've been getting lots of feedback from the Web Dev community and Web designers. They have already put it through its paces and they say it wont cut itMay 15 19:44
schestowitzDaemonFC: were you referring to Wallace  earlier?May 15 19:44
schestowitzI have posts about it in BNMay 15 19:44
schestowitzBut it's a no-go right nowMay 15 19:44
DaemonFCI just remember reading about itMay 15 19:44
reya276due mainly to its Javascript limitations, slow very slowMay 15 19:44
reya276schestowitz: have you tried looking for another hostMay 15 19:45
DaemonFCMicrosoft should just buy MozillaMay 15 19:46
DaemonFC:PMay 15 19:46
DaemonFCnowMay 15 19:46
DaemonFCwhile they still canMay 15 19:46
DaemonFCschestowitz: I'm downloading the integrated SP2 imageMay 15 19:48
DaemonFC:PMay 15 19:48
DaemonFCeverything ends up on Technet or Microsoft Connect firstMay 15 19:48
DaemonFCthere probably never will be an integrated SP2 retail box setMay 15 19:49
DaemonFCthe way I hear it they were gearing up to fix a lot of nasty shit with SP1May 15 19:50
DaemonFCthen management stepped in and stopped themMay 15 19:50
DaemonFCneat trick I suppose, let people suffer with a broken product, then let them up for some air a few years later for *only* a couple hundred bucksMay 15 19:51
DaemonFCschestowitz: The x64 Windows Vista actually scored about 10-12% higher than the 32-bit buildMay 15 19:52
DaemonFCeven running 32-bit programsMay 15 19:52
reya276oh well fellas is time for me to call it a day, heading on home, worked sucked todayMay 15 19:52
DaemonFCI kind of wonder how the 32-bit Vista was botched to make it perform that badlyMay 15 19:52
reya276have a good weekendMay 15 19:53
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schestowitzreya: yes, we though about movingMay 15 19:59
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DaemonFCoh niceMay 15 20:17
DaemonFCXchat stores your passwords in plain textMay 15 20:17
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schestowitzFor Win32-malware to readMay 15 20:22
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DaemonFCschestowitz: 32-bit Windows viruses often don't behave as intended on 64-bit WindowsMay 15 20:44
trmancohttp://www.xitimonitor.com/en-us/browsers-barometer/browser-barometer-april-2009/index-1-2-3-169.html?xtor=11May 15 20:46
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Diablo-D3schestowitz: so what happened to your silly website?May 15 20:49
schestowitzWho's asking?May 15 20:58
Diablo-D3Um, I am.May 15 20:58
schestowitz"silly website"May 15 20:58
Diablo-D3Well, it seems to be down atm.May 15 20:59
schestowitzYou're happy about itMay 15 20:59
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20090512/1505454848.shtml (China Has Invented Miraculous Hack-Proof Processor And Operating System?)May 15 21:00
schestowitzDiablo-D3: you're surely here with an evil eye and all, but anyway, the site is downed due to heavy loadMay 15 21:00
Diablo-D3I'm mildly happy about it because its one less website against FOSS out there.May 15 21:00
schestowitzEither too much demand (I saw huge numbers) or DDOS. We still learn itMay 15 21:01
schestowitzYou mean one site less TODAYMay 15 21:01
Diablo-D3In fact, I have to thank you. Without your efforts, I would have never taken Mono seriously. You've done a service to them to get the word out, although this wasn't your intention.May 15 21:02
schestowitzI see more rubbish rumours from the analyst who is always wrongMay 15 21:04
schestowitzFirst she says Oracle  will hurt Red HatMay 15 21:04
schestowitzIt never didMay 15 21:04
schestowitzThen she says Oracle will buy Red HatMay 15 21:04
schestowitzNow she says IBM will buy Red HatMay 15 21:04
schestowitzWhat a farceMay 15 21:04
schestowitzMotorola gets $310 million China Mobile deal < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137354/motorola-usd310-million-china-mobile-deal > They use lots of Linux.May 15 21:08
schestowitzHP recalls 70,000 lithium-ion batteries  < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137353/hp-recalls-lithium-ion-batteries >May 15 21:10
schestowitzThe article on gnote is now available for all to access: http://lwn.net/Articles/331187/May 15 21:14
schestowitzWhat the heck is this? http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/15/boy-scouts-training.html memories of "Hitler Youth"May 15 21:19
schestowitzCheney Intervened in CIA Inspector General's Torture Probe  < http://www.pubrecord.org/torture/899-cheney-stopped-cia-inspector-general-from-completing-torture-probe.html >May 15 21:20
schestowitzSenate Dumps On Credit Card Interest Cap < http://open.salon.com/blog/mick_arran/2009/05/13/senate_dumps_on_credit_card_interest_cap >May 15 21:21
schestowitzWSJ lets propaganda be published: "Copyright Critics Rationalize Theft" < http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124199933659205011.html >May 15 21:24
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schestowitzPretext of "terrorism" to temporarily criminalise peaceful protesters? http://www.ainfos.ca/09/may/ainfos00162.htmlMay 15 21:30
schestowitzThe definition of "terrorism" (valuable reference): http://www.sangam.org/ANALYSIS/Ahmad.htmMay 15 21:32
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_Hicham_Hi All!May 15 21:51
_Hicham_gnash finally worksMay 15 21:51
schestowitzI only use Flash for videoMay 15 21:51
_Hicham_but it has always the high cpu usage problemMay 15 21:52
_Hicham_stillMay 15 21:52
schestowitzDoes gnash do it well with swfdec?May 15 21:52
_Hicham_swfdec is another alternativeMay 15 21:52
_Hicham_but it isn't as complete as gnashMay 15 21:52
schestowitzNo mergers anywhere?May 15 21:53
_Hicham_not that i know ofMay 15 21:53
_Hicham_do u use gnash?May 15 21:53
_Hicham_or swfdec?May 15 21:53
schestowitzNopeMay 15 22:01
_Hicham_u use official flash?May 15 22:06
_Hicham_I just tried swfdecMay 15 22:06
_Hicham_it has the same issueMay 15 22:06
_Hicham_plus it is faster than gnashMay 15 22:06
schestowitzYeah, I feel guilty about using FlashMay 15 22:09
schestowitzMandriva came with itMay 15 22:09
_Hicham_Official Adobe Flash?May 15 22:10
_Hicham_?????????????????????????May 15 22:10
_Hicham_?????????????????????????????May 15 22:10
_Hicham_??????????????????????????May 15 22:10
schestowitzI have FlashblockMay 15 22:10
schestowitzI only use it for YouTube.May 15 22:10
schestowitzYou seem veyr surprisedMay 15 22:10
_Hicham_yesMay 15 22:10
schestowitzAbout me?May 15 22:10
schestowitzOr Mandirva?May 15 22:10
_Hicham_very very very very surprisedMay 15 22:10
schestowitzMandriva probablyMay 15 22:10
_Hicham_yesMay 15 22:10
schestowitzYesMay 15 22:10
schestowitzMe tooMay 15 22:10
_Hicham_about youMay 15 22:10
schestowitzI couldn'tMay 15 22:10
schestowitzWaitMay 15 22:10
_Hicham_I know about MandrivaMay 15 22:10
schestowitzOKMay 15 22:11
_Hicham_So you downloaded Mandriva One?May 15 22:11
schestowitzThey also prepackage binary driversMay 15 22:11
schestowitzNo, Spring communityMay 15 22:11
*benJIman looks at the scrollback to see why the site is down.May 15 22:11
_Hicham_Mandriva offers a free versionMay 15 22:11
_Hicham_but, what can I say?May 15 22:11
_Hicham_gnash and swf still have problemsMay 15 22:12
_Hicham_so if u use official flash, I understandMay 15 22:12
_Hicham_we are forced toMay 15 22:12
_Hicham_but I will that things will change with the video tagMay 15 22:15
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_Hicham_hopefully, Mozilla will free usMay 15 22:15
_Goblinhi allMay 15 22:15
_Hicham_Hi thereMay 15 22:15
_Hicham_Official Flash too have CPU problemsMay 15 22:16
_Hicham_so it seems that it is something implementation relatedMay 15 22:16
_Hicham_swfdec renders betterMay 15 22:17
schestowitzFedora considering mailing list moderation < http://lwn.net/Articles/333405/  >May 15 22:17
schestowitzbenJIman: load problemsMay 15 22:17
schestowitz_Goblin: you were rightMay 15 22:18
_Goblin?May 15 22:18
schestowitzGo smear in Joe's faceMay 15 22:18
schestowitzI alerted you on TwitterMay 15 22:18
schestowitzhttp://www.joewilcox.com/2009/05/the-problem-with-realtime-journalism.htmlMay 15 22:18
_Hicham_good Fedora initiativeMay 15 22:18
schestowitzDenying for OfficethemovieMay 15 22:19
_Goblinah that.May 15 22:19
schestowitzBut it's a shill: http://www.crn.com/software/217400384;jsessionid=GSGAPL3CJDNNAQSNDLOSKH0CJUNN2JVNMay 15 22:19
schestowitzConfirmedMay 15 22:19
_GoblinI recieved an email from him you know.May 15 22:19
schestowitzI will blog it when we get the site back in good shapeMay 15 22:19
schestowitzHim who?May 15 22:19
schestowitzJoe?May 15 22:19
schestowitzOr the dummy accounts?May 15 22:19
_GoblinofficethemovieMay 15 22:19
schestowitzMS employee?May 15 22:19
_Goblinhe contacted meMay 15 22:19
_GoblinIll paste the email (nothing exciting) hereMay 15 22:20
schestowitzThgankjsMay 15 22:20
schestowitz_Goblin: http://www.2indya.com/2009/05/10/linux-poem-contest-write-and-win-5/May 15 22:20
schestowitzYour 'shill' :-)May 15 22:21
trmancoI can believe people still use outcr00k excessMay 15 22:21
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_GoblinfromDavid Z <ilovewarez4sho@gmail.com>May 15 22:22
_Goblintobytes4free@googlemail.comMay 15 22:22
_GoblindateThu, May 14, 2009 at 1:44 AMMay 15 22:22
_Goblinsubject@officethemovieMay 15 22:22
_Goblinmailed-bygmail.comMay 15 22:22
_Goblinsigned-bygmail.comMay 15 22:22
_GoblinMay 15 22:22
_Goblinhide details May 14 (2 days ago)May 15 22:22
_GoblinMay 15 22:22
_GoblinMay 15 22:22
_GoblinReplyMay 15 22:22
_GoblinMay 15 22:22
_GoblinFollow up messageMay 15 22:22
_GoblinI didn't get a chance to reply back, sorry but here is the story just published which shall answer your questions:May 15 22:22
_Goblinhttp://www.joewilcox.com/2009/05/officethemovie-the-confessional.htmlMay 15 22:23
_GoblinIt made me laugh.  I think they must think we were born yesterdayMay 15 22:24
_GoblinSuffice to say I didnt buy that explanation.May 15 22:24
_GoblinThough Joe could merely be wrong, and not trying to add to the deceptionMay 15 22:25
schestowitz_Goblin: I will post about itMay 15 22:26
schestowitzCRN says it's an MS accountMay 15 22:26
schestowitzNot even a proxy like W-EMay 15 22:26
schestowitzBeryl is back from the ashes < http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2009/05/15/beryl-back-from-the-ashes/ >May 15 22:26
_GoblinlolMay 15 22:26
_GoblinI think Im going need a new twitter account.  Many of the pro MS twitterers will not respond to me for fear of being dragged into something they dont want to talk about.May 15 22:27
_GoblinIm going to have to shill the shillers by pretending to be an average MS user.May 15 22:28
_Goblinjust to hear their explanations about some of the things they postMay 15 22:29
schestowitzYeah, I know what you meanMay 15 22:29
_Hicham_why revive Beryl?May 15 22:31
_GoblinIve found the best way to get a response out of them is start posting some facts about MS products using the #microsoft and #windows tagMay 15 22:31
schestowitzYou apply their stratgey in reverseMay 15 22:32
schestowitzThey assimilate to FOSS to poison itMay 15 22:32
schestowitz15,000 more jobs go at BT < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25054/1054/ >May 15 22:33
_Goblinive shares with them :(May 15 22:33
trmancoI like compiz-fusion more than I liked berylMay 15 22:40
schestowitzThey are all relatives. kwin too.May 15 22:41
_GoblinRoy, In regards to that link to the poem business...I saw that before....I hope when I made the article that shill really didnt play a part in it...I actually thought..con job if Im honest....that being said Linux advocate or not, his article stunk.May 15 22:42
_Goblinand now he appears to be accusing me of a child hater.  I assume hes misread something Ive typed.May 15 22:42
_GoblinI think hes failed to understand my comment when I said I didnt think it appropriate to parade children on the internet for the sake of an article.May 15 22:43
_Goblinand then I went on to say this was the reason why I didnt like the MS ads/May 15 22:43
schestowitzYou pick a fight with the wrong guy, IMHOMay 15 22:48
schestowitzAnyway, I'll get some sleep now.May 15 22:49
schestowitzMaybe the site will be back online in the morning.May 15 22:49
_GoblinIt wasnt a fight.  and I have a damn good link to throw at any shill that says I only tackle MS users.May 15 22:50
_Goblinnight!May 15 22:50
_Hicham_beryl is deadMay 15 22:57
_Hicham_seems like gnash and swfdec are X related againMay 15 22:59
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schestowitzWoken up..May 15 23:07
schestowitzSort ofMay 15 23:07
_Hicham_who had woken up?May 15 23:07
schestowitzShane is back from work so we can hopefully bring the site back online shortly. Need to sort out how to avoid the problem from recurringMay 15 23:07
schestowitz_Hicham_: I was gonna call it a day, but it's not a good timeMay 15 23:07
schestowitzI have about 20 good posts comingMay 15 23:08
schestowitzI enjoy posting in BN and I hope we can do so tomorrowMay 15 23:08
schestowitzTweeting That May Come Back to Haunt You < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/05/15/be-careful-what-you-tweet-for >May 15 23:08
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/15/google_opens_up_trademark_policy/ Google trademark grab defies mounting lawsuitsMay 15 23:11
schestowitzTake-Two sues over death of Duke Nukem Forever < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/15/taketwo_sues_apogee_over_dnf/ >May 15 23:14
schestowitz_Goblin: expend energy only on real harmful trolls. Otheriwise it's wasted effort.May 15 23:14
_Goblintrue.  I think that was finished before it begun anyway.May 15 23:15
_GoblinLike flatfishMay 15 23:15
_Goblinor Dr Dee.  Two little crackers Im working on at the moment.May 15 23:16
schestowitzHehe.May 15 23:16
schestowitzYou know themMay 15 23:16
_Goblinoh yesMay 15 23:16
schestowitzDee is from CNET right?May 15 23:16
schestowitzBig shillMay 15 23:16
_GoblinyepMay 15 23:16
schestowitzAlso No_Ax_to_Grind in ZDNetMay 15 23:16
schestowitzMcirosoft sends its employees there tooMay 15 23:16
_Goblinand Frank from the Ng'sMay 15 23:16
schestowitzIt was covered in Wired after an employee had snitchedMay 15 23:16
schestowitz_Goblin: yes, mapping them is done sometimesMay 15 23:16
schestowitzhttp://threatpost.com/blogs/bruce-schneier-cryptography-security-theater-and-psychology-fearMay 15 23:17
_Goblinanother upcoming (who I believe is Dr Dee) is NknowMay 15 23:18
_Goblinand guess what?  They say "all roads lead to rome"  thats not really true.  It appears "all roads lead to Andre Da Costa"May 15 23:18
_GoblinNeowin connection, Nknow, CC_Torment & many others have all been followed from "he who cannot be named"May 15 23:19
schestowitzEl Efecto Streisand As Guatemala Arrests Twitterer http://techdirt.com/articles/20090515/0224004894.shtmlMay 15 23:19
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schestowitzOK. Progress.May 15 23:27
schestowitzThere was no obvious DDOS attack.May 15 23:27
schestowitzHere's something for context:May 15 23:28
schestowitz> their original email is attached, it's a server log excerpt that showsMay 15 23:28
schestowitz> us swamping them.May 15 23:28
schestowitzThanks Shane. Yes, I wondered what it would look like and I don't know what left to a sudden surge. We didn't get Slashdotted or anything and the heavy loan persisted for hours.May 15 23:28
schestowitz> the nature of my argument is that it's not cool that they sell meMay 15 23:28
schestowitz> bandwidth and space that the site is not totally using up, so why is itMay 15 23:28
schestowitz> they cannot handle the connections?  seems like they are promising moreMay 15 23:28
schestowitz> than they can deliver.May 15 23:28
schestowitzExactly. Not a unique problem. Other sites complain about their hosts for similar reasons.May 15 23:28
schestowitz> on the other hand, I understand, BN has gotten huge over the last fewMay 15 23:28
schestowitz> years and could benefit from dedicated hosting by a real company.May 15 23:28
schestowitz> May 15 23:28
schestowitz> Maybe we can do subdomains and move the wiki and the blog to seperateMay 15 23:28
schestowitz> accounts?  like wiki.bn.com redirects to one account and blog.bn.com toMay 15 23:28
schestowitz> another?  If they are on different machines, it may halve the loadMay 15 23:28
schestowitz> (depending on which is more popular).May 15 23:28
schestowitzThat sounds like a plan. I'm ready to try that.May 15 23:28
schestowitzSo that sounds like a lot of work but may be worth itMay 15 23:28
schestowitzNo obvious sign of DDOS as I had hopedMay 15 23:29
schestowitzI guess we just had a lot of people visiting..May 15 23:29
schestowitz========================May 15 23:29
schestowitzload average: 32.47, 35.78, 47.05May 15 23:29
schestowitzTasks: 231 total,  31 running, 194 sleeping,   2 stopped,   4 zombieMay 15 23:29
schestowitzCpu(s): 70.4% us, 26.4% sy,  0.0% ni,  2.7% id,  0.2% wa,  0.2% hi,  0.0% siMay 15 23:29
schestowitz  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMANDMay 15 23:29
schestowitz 8248 mysql     15   0  545m  79m 4060 S 79.1  3.9   2:44.19 /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/ --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --user=mysql --pid-file=/var/lib/mysql/pass3.dizinc.com.pid --skip-external-lockingMay 15 23:29
schestowitz 9621 boycottn  21   0 46608  26m  16m R 17.5  1.3   0:00.53 /usr/bin/php /home/boycottn/public_html/wiki/index.phpMay 15 23:29
schestowitz 9618 boycottn  21   0 44124  24m  16m R 14.2  1.2   0:00.43 /usr/bin/php /home/boycottn/public_html/wiki/index.phpMay 15 23:29
schestowitz 9554 boycottn  25   0 44644  24m  16m R 12.2  1.2   0:01.37 /usr/bin/php /home/boycottn/public_html/index.phpMay 15 23:29
schestowitz 9629 boycottn  19   0     0    0    0 Z 11.5  0.0   0:00.35 [php] <defunct>May 15 23:29
schestowitz 9548 boycottn  25   0 43496  24m  16m R  9.9  1.2   0:01.23 /usr/bin/php /home/boycottn/public_html/index.phpMay 15 23:29
schestowitzNumber of hits.May 15 23:29
schestowitzroot@pass3 [~]# grep 'GET /' /etc/httpd/domlogs/boycottnovell.com | wc -lMay 15 23:29
schestowitz121621May 15 23:29
schestowitzActive Mysql ProcessesMay 15 23:29
schestowitz| 4   | boycottn_wrdp1 | localhost | boycottn_wrdp1 | Query   | 0    | Opening tables | UPDATE wp_options SET option_value = '' WHERE option_name = 'firstPost'                            |...May 15 23:29
schestowitzThey don't want to deliver within the promised quotaMay 15 23:30
schestowitzNot fair..May 15 23:30
schestowitzThe 10 Biggest Tech Failures of the Last Decade: Vista makes #1: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1898610,00.htmlMay 15 23:33
schestowitzHP moves OpenVMS dev to India? < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/12/openvms_to_india/ >May 15 23:36
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schestowitz"America's oil, gas and coal industry has increased its lobbying budget by 50%, with key players spending $44.5 [million] in the first three months of this year in an intense effort to cut off support" for cap and trade legislation to reduce U.S. greenhouse gas emissions." http://www.prwatch.org/node/8373May 15 23:37
schestowitz"Tobacco Lobby Winning in Texas [...] http://www.prwatch.org/node/8374" http://www.prwatch.org/node/8374May 15 23:38
schestowitz"The industry employed 40 lobbyists, seven of whom are former state legislators, to beat back the popular proposals." People whose job is to harm the public. Microsoft has analogous anti-FOSS agentsMay 15 23:38
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-05-15-021-35-NW-BZ-0001 "Add time.com to the list of colossal web site design failures while we're at it, heavily cursed with badly thought-out Javascript."May 15 23:43
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schestowitzMore on Vista being the biggest disaster of the decade: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-05-15-021-35-NW-BZ-0000May 15 23:43
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